Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
If he's not being paid by MS, he should be... But he's a well known troll around these parts, move along folks. Unless there's useful info in the response, then it's worth spreading. On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 21:02:55 + P NIKOLIC wrote: > On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 00:59:33 +0700 > "Urmas" wrote: > > > "James Knott": > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code > > > > Quote: > > Microsoft disabled the AARD code for the final release of Windows > > 3.1 > > > > It's a myth. > > > > > > Do you actually work for mickeyshaft seems that way you are backing > them to the hilt .. > > MS troll per chance .. > > > Pete . > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 00:59:33 +0700 "Urmas" wrote: > "James Knott": > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code > > Quote: > Microsoft disabled the AARD code for the final release of Windows 3.1 > > It's a myth. > > Do you actually work for mickeyshaft seems that way you are backing them to the hilt .. MS troll per chance .. Pete . -- Linux 7-of-9 3.11.6-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Oct 18 23:22:36 CEST 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 00:59:33 +0700 "Urmas" wrote: > "James Knott": > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code > > Quote: > Microsoft disabled the AARD code for the final release of Windows 3.1 > > It's a myth. What is a myth, that Microsoft disabled the AARD code? :P The AARD code is indeed *not* a myth, it was very real, it was just disabled for the final release, according to Wikipedia. That said, I clearly recall some Microsoft program not running on our old DR-DOS system back in the day, can't recall if it was Windows or Word (I'm sure it must have been one of those two), but it definitely complained about our DOS not being good enough, which was completely bogus. In many respects DR-DOS was much better than MS DOS, and it was fully capable of running the MS software, despite the bogus claim of said software. The AARD code may have been disabled, but it wasn't the only piece of malicious code they used. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 07:44:11AM +0700, Urmas wrote: > "Paul": > > >Microsoft, as the developers of the > >OS, put code in their OS to capture the Ctrl+J key combination, and not > >pass it on to the foreground application. However, they also put in > >code to allow an application to request that the key combination be > >passed on, code that most people, including the developers of WordStar, > > >Or, alternatively, Microsoft, as the developers of the OS, put code in > >to detect a running copy of WordStar, and hide the Ctrl+J key > >combination from it. > > >I'm not saying they did any of this, > > So you've just made that malarkey up? Wow. Hey, FUDmeister, what makes you such an authority? -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
On 11/6/2013 12:59 PM, Urmas wrote: "James Knott": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code Quote: Microsoft disabled the AARD code for the final release of Windows 3.1 It's a myth. But they didn't remove it and it could always be reenabled by changing a single byte of machine code. -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
"James Knott": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code Quote: Microsoft disabled the AARD code for the final release of Windows 3.1 It's a myth. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
Urmas wrote: > "James Knott": > >> That AARD code was one. They also used hidden API as was revealed when >> Borland sued them and more. > > 'AARD code' was not in any retail version of Windows. It is fake. > > > Well, you 'd better thel that to the guys at DR-DOS and also those in the antitrust case, as that was one of the things shown in it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
"James Knott": That AARD code was one. They also used hidden API as was revealed when Borland sued them and more. 'AARD code' was not in any retail version of Windows. It is fake. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
Urmas wrote: > So you've just made that malarkey up? Wow. He is correct in saying MS did a lot of things to cripple competition. That AARD code was one. They also used hidden API as was revealed when Borland sued them and more. They have a very long history of playing dirty, up to and including extortion. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
"Don Myers": Some of the things Microsoft has done are chronicled here in a report to the European Commission a number of years ago: One cannot hold in a smile while reading that whine. In particular, the Wordstar case of 'shell namespace extensions', which a text processor (Even MS Office one) does not need was dismissed from the court as boloney. Also, a pay-for Netscape vs. free IE browser story is fascinating. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
On 11/05/2013 06:55 PM, Paul wrote: On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 05:34:38 +0700 "Urmas" wrote: Simple. The evil machinations of Microsoft. I will repeat. If any and all Windows application could use Ctrl+J for anything, why WordStad suddenly couldn't? Ok, let me spell it out for you. Microsoft, as the developers of the OS, put code in their OS to capture the Ctrl+J key combination, and not pass it on to the foreground application. However, they also put in code to allow an application to request that the key combination be passed on, code that most people, including the developers of WordStar, didn't know about (at least until after it was too late). Then Microsoft, as developers of Word, put in the necessary request to make the OS pass on the Ctrl+J key combination to Word. They knew to do this, because they were the same company. Or, alternatively, Microsoft, as the developers of the OS, put code in to detect a running copy of WordStar, and hide the Ctrl+J key combination from it. They did this because they were also the developers of Word, and wanted it to have a monopoly. I'm not saying they did any of this, I have no personal experience with the Ctrl+J key combination, nor have I any insights into exactly how they did this if it actually is true. I just know that they have done evil and rude things to get or maintain a monopoly in the past, more than once, including something very, very similar, and I wouldn't put it past them to have done this too. I'm merely suggesting ways in which they could have done it. I'm sure there are more. Some of the things Microsoft has done are chronicled here in a report to the European Commission a number of years ago: http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf Don -- ** -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
On 11/5/13 5:44 PM, Urmas wrote: "Paul": Microsoft, as the developers of the OS, put code in their OS to capture the Ctrl+J key combination, and not pass it on to the foreground application. However, they also put in code to allow an application to request that the key combination be passed on, code that most people, including the developers of WordStar, Or, alternatively, Microsoft, as the developers of the OS, put code in to detect a running copy of WordStar, and hide the Ctrl+J key combination from it. I'm not saying they did any of this, So you've just made that malarkey up? Wow. It may be true for Wordstar, and it may not be. MS lost a lot of court cases because of actions like this. Geoworks is one case I know of. Geoworks won the battle in court, but the war was over. So, I never trust companies that I know have broken various policies, as Facebook and Google have done. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 17.0.8 LibreOffice 4.1.2.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
"Paul": Microsoft, as the developers of the OS, put code in their OS to capture the Ctrl+J key combination, and not pass it on to the foreground application. However, they also put in code to allow an application to request that the key combination be passed on, code that most people, including the developers of WordStar, Or, alternatively, Microsoft, as the developers of the OS, put code in to detect a running copy of WordStar, and hide the Ctrl+J key combination from it. I'm not saying they did any of this, So you've just made that malarkey up? Wow. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 05:34:38 +0700 "Urmas" wrote: > > Simple. The evil machinations of Microsoft. > > I will repeat. If any and all Windows application could use Ctrl+J > for anything, why WordStad suddenly couldn't? Ok, let me spell it out for you. Microsoft, as the developers of the OS, put code in their OS to capture the Ctrl+J key combination, and not pass it on to the foreground application. However, they also put in code to allow an application to request that the key combination be passed on, code that most people, including the developers of WordStar, didn't know about (at least until after it was too late). Then Microsoft, as developers of Word, put in the necessary request to make the OS pass on the Ctrl+J key combination to Word. They knew to do this, because they were the same company. Or, alternatively, Microsoft, as the developers of the OS, put code in to detect a running copy of WordStar, and hide the Ctrl+J key combination from it. They did this because they were also the developers of Word, and wanted it to have a monopoly. I'm not saying they did any of this, I have no personal experience with the Ctrl+J key combination, nor have I any insights into exactly how they did this if it actually is true. I just know that they have done evil and rude things to get or maintain a monopoly in the past, more than once, including something very, very similar, and I wouldn't put it past them to have done this too. I'm merely suggesting ways in which they could have done it. I'm sure there are more. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
Simple. The evil machinations of Microsoft. I will repeat. If any and all Windows application could use Ctrl+J for anything, why WordStad suddenly couldn't? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:50:25 +0700 "Urmas" wrote: > "Virgil Arrington": > > Actually, WordStar had different Ctrl+key functions than Word. Yes, > today, Ctrl+J is a shortcut for Justify, but back in the WordStar > days, Ctrl+J did something different... > > If it worked in Microsoft Word, how the hell it was 'captured' and > 'unavailable' for Wordstar, whatever function it had? Simple. The evil machinations of Microsoft. They've done similar many times. Like making Windows 3.1 report false errors on versions of DOS other than MS DOS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
"Virgil Arrington": Actually, WordStar had different Ctrl+key functions than Word. Yes, today, Ctrl+J is a shortcut for Justify, but back in the WordStar days, Ctrl+J did something different... If it worked in Microsoft Word, how the hell it was 'captured' and 'unavailable' for Wordstar, whatever function it had? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
