Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: paypal

2013-11-19 Thread Tom Davies 
Hi :)
+1
Yes.  It is fairly clear if you read the text but people probably
expect to have to pay for something this good.  $10 is a pittance
compared to other alternatives and people who feel tricked into giving
the donation get far more from LibreOffice than they would if they had
been forced into buying something similar from anyone else.

Kingsoft and KOffice don't have database programs.  Kingsoft doesn't
have a drawing component.  Calligra doesn't have as many devs working
at it.  Apache OpenOffice is comparatively under-developed (although
that might be a blessing for some).  Google-docs is risky if your
internet is unreliable.  Each has their niche but LibreOffice covers
more bases.  It's possible i might be a little biased of course but i
think our devs, QA, documentation, marketing, designers, user-support
and all the rest have done a great job.
Regards from
Tom :)


On 19 November 2013 19:27, Gabriel Risterucci  wrote:
> 2013/11/19 Jean-Francois Nifenecker 
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Le 19/11/2013 04:29, NoOp a écrit :
>> > It's irritating as hell. It makes LO look as if a donation is required
>> > (even though it says otherwise) and IMO is a bit of an embarrassment
>> > when referring LO to others. Several have commented & were sure to
>> > mention that AOO doesn't require this nonsense.
>> >
>>
>> here, if I go to http://www.libreoffice.org/ I click on the big round
>> Download LibreOffice Now! button, this gets me to
>> http://www.libreoffice.org/download where I can select the download I
>> want which starts (almost) immediately. No donation is required AFAICS.
>> There's a donation option below with the following introductory text:
>> "LibreOffice is Free Software and is made available free of charge. Your
>> donation, which is purely optional, supports our worldwide community. If
>> you like the software, please consider a donation."
>>
>> This is all ok for me.
>>
>> So, unless there's some other entry point which introduces a donation
>> before the download, I can see no problem. Or am I mistaken?
>>
>>
> The issue here (well, issue might not be the word), is that on some
> configuration, the automatic download don't trigger/is blocked by the
> browser. In this case, someone not akin to reading a wall of text will just
> see the prominent donation part of the page.
>
> But as far as the actual content of the download page is concerned, I
> believe the text if perfectly clear about the optionnal part of the
> donation. But... users ;)
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: paypal

2013-11-19 Thread Gabriel Risterucci 
2013/11/19 Jean-Francois Nifenecker 

> Hi,
>
> Le 19/11/2013 04:29, NoOp a écrit :
> > It's irritating as hell. It makes LO look as if a donation is required
> > (even though it says otherwise) and IMO is a bit of an embarrassment
> > when referring LO to others. Several have commented & were sure to
> > mention that AOO doesn't require this nonsense.
> >
>
> here, if I go to http://www.libreoffice.org/ I click on the big round
> Download LibreOffice Now! button, this gets me to
> http://www.libreoffice.org/download where I can select the download I
> want which starts (almost) immediately. No donation is required AFAICS.
> There's a donation option below with the following introductory text:
> "LibreOffice is Free Software and is made available free of charge. Your
> donation, which is purely optional, supports our worldwide community. If
> you like the software, please consider a donation."
>
> This is all ok for me.
>
> So, unless there's some other entry point which introduces a donation
> before the download, I can see no problem. Or am I mistaken?
>
>
The issue here (well, issue might not be the word), is that on some
configuration, the automatic download don't trigger/is blocked by the
browser. In this case, someone not akin to reading a wall of text will just
see the prominent donation part of the page.

But as far as the actual content of the download page is concerned, I
believe the text if perfectly clear about the optionnal part of the
donation. But... users ;)​​

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: paypal

2013-11-19 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker 
Hi,

Le 19/11/2013 04:29, NoOp a écrit :
> It's irritating as hell. It makes LO look as if a donation is required
> (even though it says otherwise) and IMO is a bit of an embarrassment
> when referring LO to others. Several have commented & were sure to
> mention that AOO doesn't require this nonsense.
> 

here, if I go to http://www.libreoffice.org/ I click on the big round
Download LibreOffice Now! button, this gets me to
http://www.libreoffice.org/download where I can select the download I
want which starts (almost) immediately. No donation is required AFAICS.
There's a donation option below with the following introductory text:
"LibreOffice is Free Software and is made available free of charge. Your
donation, which is purely optional, supports our worldwide community. If
you like the software, please consider a donation."

This is all ok for me.

So, unless there's some other entry point which introduces a donation
before the download, I can see no problem. Or am I mistaken?

-- 
Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: paypal

2013-11-19 Thread Milos Sramek 

Hi,

I in fact do not have any problems with downloading LO: I just click on 
the big green button on http://www.libreoffice.org/download
(the topmost one from three similar buttons, the rest are for 
localizations - in case others do not see them).
A new page (donate.libreoffice.ord...) opens and after 2-3 seconds the 
download starts. I do not have to bother about donations.


Perhaps the fact that the donate page opens right after clicking on the 
download button and the download starts a bit later (at least a bit for 
me, perhaps a lot later for others) is the confusing moment, since one 
expects something related to download and not to donations. Do you see 
that so? I can imagine it is. Donations are important, but, perhaps, it 
should be done in a less 'invasive' way. Maybe a visible 'Donate' button 
on the download page which would redirect the used to the donate page. 
This would not mix downloads with donations and thus would not make user 
angry. Or, two download buttons: one plain "Download" and the second 
"Download and donate" - which would do the same thing as "Download" does 
now.


best
Milos


Dňa 19.11.2013 04:29, NoOp wrote / napísal(a):

On 11/18/2013 06:57 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
James didn't get quite far enough.  It's a page or so further on.  The
way page is set-up it does look as though you do HAVE TO make a
donation before the download will start.  It's only the geeks that
will notice their own web-browser is the only thing blocking the
download from really starting.

The marketing team did discuss this and various other options but the
technology is not quite their yet to allow the whole thing to be more
polite and less demanding.  After a lot of discussion they finally
settled on doing the same as other projects, such as Ubuntu and many
others.

It's irritating as hell. It makes LO look as if a donation is required
(even though it says otherwise) and IMO is a bit of an embarrassment
when referring LO to others. Several have commented & were sure to
mention that AOO doesn't require this nonsense.

I just spent 10 minutes figuring out how to bypass this nonsense in
order to download a 205MB "update" for a remote user at limited
bandwidth. The default download link was downloading at 45Kbps...
Finally remembered the mirrors:
 and only
then was I actually able to get a reasonably speed download connection.






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[libreoffice-users] Re: paypal

2013-11-18 Thread NoOp 
On 11/18/2013 06:57 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> James didn't get quite far enough.  It's a page or so further on.  The
> way page is set-up it does look as though you do HAVE TO make a
> donation before the download will start.  It's only the geeks that
> will notice their own web-browser is the only thing blocking the
> download from really starting.
> 
> The marketing team did discuss this and various other options but the
> technology is not quite their yet to allow the whole thing to be more
> polite and less demanding.  After a lot of discussion they finally
> settled on doing the same as other projects, such as Ubuntu and many
> others.

It's irritating as hell. It makes LO look as if a donation is required
(even though it says otherwise) and IMO is a bit of an embarrassment
when referring LO to others. Several have commented & were sure to
mention that AOO doesn't require this nonsense.

I just spent 10 minutes figuring out how to bypass this nonsense in
order to download a 205MB "update" for a remote user at limited
bandwidth. The default download link was downloading at 45Kbps...
Finally remembered the mirrors:
 and only
then was I actually able to get a reasonably speed download connection.



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