Re: [libreoffice-users] assembling an OTM into an EPUB.
On 17/10/2023 14:16, Virgil wrote: On 10/17/2023 3:59 AM, Philip Jackson wrote: On 17/10/2023 03:28, Virgil Arrington wrote: And, if you’re serious about publishing to the Amazon Kindle store then you might want to check out Kindle Previewer as well. After finalising the setup in Sigil, I run the epub through Amazon's Previewer to check how it displays and if all's good, Previewer will export a .kpf file which is one of KDP's preferred formats for uploading (they'll also accept epub). That's interesting that Amazon accepts EPUB files. I've always been under the impression that Kindles only use one of Amazon's proprietary file formats. In fact, I have never found a way to load and read an EPUB file on a Kindle device, whether it's my dedicated Kindle, a Kindle Fire, or the Kindle app on my phone. Is there some secret to getting Kindles to read and display EPUB files? Perhaps there is a difference between what Amazon will accept for their store and what will actually display on a Kindle device. Amazon now prefers ebook uploads to KDP by epub or kpf. In the past (until, what, a couple of years or three ago) authors had to convert epub to mobi which was easy to do with a bit of free software supplied by KDP, Kindlegen. Now you can straight upload your epub file to KDP but I prefer to upload the kpf. If you purchase from Amazon, they don't download you an epub but one of their propritary formats depending on the device you're using. Putting an epub on a kindle reading device is another matter. I'm reading an epub on a Kindle Fire at the moment and used the BookFunnel app to download it to the Fire and to read. But the text font is not adjustable, the chapters don't start on a new page. The DropCap at the beginning of each chapter doesn't scale correctly. You might just as well be reading a pdf file. The only reason I'm reading like this is that the Fire is my only portable bit of kit that remains at present and I can't manage my desk top mc in bed. Philip -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] assembling an OTM into an EPUB.
On 10/17/2023 3:59 AM, Philip Jackson wrote: On 17/10/2023 03:28, Virgil Arrington wrote: And, if you’re serious about publishing to the Amazon Kindle store then you might want to check out Kindle Previewer as well. After finalising the setup in Sigil, I run the epub through Amazon's Previewer to check how it displays and if all's good, Previewer will export a .kpf file which is one of KDP's preferred formats for uploading (they'll also accept epub). That's interesting that Amazon accepts EPUB files. I've always been under the impression that Kindles only use one of Amazon's proprietary file formats. In fact, I have never found a way to load and read an EPUB file on a Kindle device, whether it's my dedicated Kindle, a Kindle Fire, or the Kindle app on my phone. Is there some secret to getting Kindles to read and display EPUB files? Perhaps there is a difference between what Amazon will accept for their store and what will actually display on a Kindle device. Virgil I'm not sure about what's exactly inside the kpf file but it's 'enormous' compared to the original epub file although a subsequent download from Amazon is only about the same size as the epub. So possibly the kpf contains several variants that Amazon uses for different readers. I also check the epub display in Adobe Digital Editions. One thing is for sure, not all ereading devices are equal and sometimes they can give an awful display. 'Drop Caps' are one of the worst for variability when you compare the appearance on different reading devices. Philip -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] assembling an OTM into an EPUB.
On 17/10/2023 03:28, Virgil Arrington wrote: And, if you’re serious about publishing to the Amazon Kindle store then you might want to check out Kindle Previewer as well. After finalising the setup in Sigil, I run the epub through Amazon's Previewer to check how it displays and if all's good, Previewer will export a .kpf file which is one of KDP's preferred formats for uploading (they'll also accept epub). I'm not sure about what's exactly inside the kpf file but it's 'enormous' compared to the original epub file although a subsequent download from Amazon is only about the same size as the epub. So possibly the kpf contains several variants that Amazon uses for different readers. I also check the epub display in Adobe Digital Editions. One thing is for sure, not all ereading devices are equal and sometimes they can give an awful display. 'Drop Caps' are one of the worst for variability when you compare the appearance on different reading devices. Philip -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
RE: [libreoffice-users] assembling an OTM into an EPUB.
And, if you’re serious about publishing to the Amazon Kindle store then you might want to check out Kindle Previewer as well. https://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Previewer/b?ie=UTF8&node=21381691011 Virgil From: Virgil Arrington<mailto:cuyfa...@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 6:22 PM To: Chris J.<mailto:rchristopherjohn...@gmail.com>; lo user help<mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org> Cc: Chris Johnson<mailto:rchristopherjohn...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] assembling an OTM into an EPUB. Chris, As I’m sure you’re aware, an LO Writer document – especially a Master Document -- is full of formatting that is not needed on a Kindle. For example, Kindle doesn’t care about page margins, so it’s not surprising that Calibre will dump page margins. I believe your results will also depend on whether you use style-based formatting rather than direct formatting. For example, I have found that Calibre retains my style-based paragraph indents, but eliminates tab-indented paragraph formatting. So, that may explain why your paragraph indents are being ignored; have you created them with tabs instead of a paragraph style? As you’ve already discovered, I would avoid PDF, which is page oriented and not for free-flowing text. I’ve enjoyed playing with Amazon’s Kindle Create, which will take an MS-Word source document (.doc/.docx) and convert it to a native Kindle format (which is *not* EPUB). You can download it from Amazon (just search for Kindle Create). From what I’ve seen, your source document must be a Word format file, but from there, you can do all sorts of formatting from within Kindle Create itself. You can also export as an EPUB, although that is not needed for a Kindle, which doesn’t use EPUB files. If your ultimate destination is an e-Reader rather than a printed book, then I would try to create/edit the document without any thought to page formatting as none of it will be needed. I would even consider writing it in Markdown on a text editor and then using Calibre for my conversion. Calibre can easily convert a Markdown file into any of its supported e-Reader formats and you can clean it up with Calibre’s own editor. Of course, the difficulty comes when you need both, a printed book formatted for the page and a Kindle book with a free-flowing text. In such a case, the process required for each type of publication necessarily gets in the way of the other. Good luck. Virgil From: Chris J.<mailto:rchristopherjohn...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 1:41 PM To: lo user help<mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org> Cc: Chris Johnson<mailto:rchristopherjohn...@gmail.com> Subject: [libreoffice-users] assembling an OTM into an EPUB. Hi, all. Subject says it. OTM -> EPUB so I can get it on a Kindle. Kindles can handle PDF. However I'm told PDF is more graphics in nature and doesn't necessarily work well with every Kindle as far as easy readability. LO Writer Export claims to be able to do this. I get an error when I try. Examination of this error indicates I need 5 or 6 other pieces to pull this trick off and I can't find them all. Enter Calibre which can translate a bunch of formats into another bunch of formats. Calibre dumps all my formatting it seems, no paragraph indents, no margins, no centering. I can assemble an OTM into an ODT and go from there to a DOCX for submission. But I need to get it into an EPUB as well. Any construction thoughts will be gratefully appreciated. -- Chris Johnsonrchristopherjohn...@gmail.com Ex SysAdmin, now, writer /For all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: "It might have been". /(John G. Whittier) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] assembling an OTM into an EPUB.
thanks to Philip for opening my eyes to this beautiful software SIGIL. I’m not sure how much I’m gonna use it but the amount of help and friendliness on this list is just amazing… Continue the good work… God bless you all… Best Regards Hastham > On 16 Oct 2023, at 10:31 PM, Philip Jackson wrote: > > On 16/10/2023 19:41, Chris J. wrote: >> Hi, all. >> >> >> Subject says it. OTM -> EPUB so I can get it on a Kindle. Kindles can handle >> PDF. However I'm told PDF is more graphics in nature and doesn't necessarily >> work well with every Kindle as far as easy readability. >> > …. >> Any construction thoughts will be gratefully appreciated. >> > Hi Chris, > > My favorite software for converting to epub format is SIGIL. I've found that, > for me at any rate, Sigil does a cleaner job than Calibre and Sigil has a > plugin extension (ODTimport) which will allow import and conversion of .odt > files. > This plugin will maintain the names of your LO styles once you've set up an > initial config file. > > Same goes for direct import of docx files (DOCXImport plugin). > > Sigil is easy to use but like all sophisticated software it has a learning > curve. > > Things to be wary of are the vast amount of hidden 'styling' bits and pieces > which exist in word processor files. These can cause large numbers of > unwanted html tags to be placed in the epub. They won't necessarily cause > malfunction of the epub but make for untidy and excessive coding. > > Sigil exists for Windows, Mac and Linux - see https://sigil-ebook.com/sigil/ > > Philip > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
RE: [libreoffice-users] assembling an OTM into an EPUB.
Chris, As I’m sure you’re aware, an LO Writer document – especially a Master Document -- is full of formatting that is not needed on a Kindle. For example, Kindle doesn’t care about page margins, so it’s not surprising that Calibre will dump page margins. I believe your results will also depend on whether you use style-based formatting rather than direct formatting. For example, I have found that Calibre retains my style-based paragraph indents, but eliminates tab-indented paragraph formatting. So, that may explain why your paragraph indents are being ignored; have you created them with tabs instead of a paragraph style? As you’ve already discovered, I would avoid PDF, which is page oriented and not for free-flowing text. I’ve enjoyed playing with Amazon’s Kindle Create, which will take an MS-Word source document (.doc/.docx) and convert it to a native Kindle format (which is *not* EPUB). You can download it from Amazon (just search for Kindle Create). From what I’ve seen, your source document must be a Word format file, but from there, you can do all sorts of formatting from within Kindle Create itself. You can also export as an EPUB, although that is not needed for a Kindle, which doesn’t use EPUB files. If your ultimate destination is an e-Reader rather than a printed book, then I would try to create/edit the document without any thought to page formatting as none of it will be needed. I would even consider writing it in Markdown on a text editor and then using Calibre for my conversion. Calibre can easily convert a Markdown file into any of its supported e-Reader formats and you can clean it up with Calibre’s own editor. Of course, the difficulty comes when you need both, a printed book formatted for the page and a Kindle book with a free-flowing text. In such a case, the process required for each type of publication necessarily gets in the way of the other. Good luck. Virgil From: Chris J.<mailto:rchristopherjohn...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 1:41 PM To: lo user help<mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org> Cc: Chris Johnson<mailto:rchristopherjohn...@gmail.com> Subject: [libreoffice-users] assembling an OTM into an EPUB. Hi, all. Subject says it. OTM -> EPUB so I can get it on a Kindle. Kindles can handle PDF. However I'm told PDF is more graphics in nature and doesn't necessarily work well with every Kindle as far as easy readability. LO Writer Export claims to be able to do this. I get an error when I try. Examination of this error indicates I need 5 or 6 other pieces to pull this trick off and I can't find them all. Enter Calibre which can translate a bunch of formats into another bunch of formats. Calibre dumps all my formatting it seems, no paragraph indents, no margins, no centering. I can assemble an OTM into an ODT and go from there to a DOCX for submission. But I need to get it into an EPUB as well. Any construction thoughts will be gratefully appreciated. -- Chris Johnsonrchristopherjohn...@gmail.com Ex SysAdmin, now, writer /For all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: "It might have been". /(John G. Whittier) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] assembling an OTM into an EPUB.
On 16/10/2023 19:41, Chris J. wrote: Hi, all. Subject says it. OTM -> EPUB so I can get it on a Kindle. Kindles can handle PDF. However I'm told PDF is more graphics in nature and doesn't necessarily work well with every Kindle as far as easy readability. LO Writer Export claims to be able to do this. I get an error when I try. Examination of this error indicates I need 5 or 6 other pieces to pull this trick off and I can't find them all. Enter Calibre which can translate a bunch of formats into another bunch of formats. Calibre dumps all my formatting it seems, no paragraph indents, no margins, no centering. I can assemble an OTM into an ODT and go from there to a DOCX for submission. But I need to get it into an EPUB as well. Any construction thoughts will be gratefully appreciated. Hi Chris, My favorite software for converting to epub format is SIGIL. I've found that, for me at any rate, Sigil does a cleaner job than Calibre and Sigil has a plugin extension (ODTimport) which will allow import and conversion of .odt files. This plugin will maintain the names of your LO styles once you've set up an initial config file. Same goes for direct import of docx files (DOCXImport plugin). Sigil is easy to use but like all sophisticated software it has a learning curve. Things to be wary of are the vast amount of hidden 'styling' bits and pieces which exist in word processor files. These can cause large numbers of unwanted html tags to be placed in the epub. They won't necessarily cause malfunction of the epub but make for untidy and excessive coding. Sigil exists for Windows, Mac and Linux - see https://sigil-ebook.com/sigil/ Philip -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] assembling an OTM into an EPUB.
Hi, all. Subject says it. OTM -> EPUB so I can get it on a Kindle. Kindles can handle PDF. However I'm told PDF is more graphics in nature and doesn't necessarily work well with every Kindle as far as easy readability. LO Writer Export claims to be able to do this. I get an error when I try. Examination of this error indicates I need 5 or 6 other pieces to pull this trick off and I can't find them all. Enter Calibre which can translate a bunch of formats into another bunch of formats. Calibre dumps all my formatting it seems, no paragraph indents, no margins, no centering. I can assemble an OTM into an ODT and go from there to a DOCX for submission. But I need to get it into an EPUB as well. Any construction thoughts will be gratefully appreciated. -- Chris Johnson rchristopherjohn...@gmail.com Ex SysAdmin, now, writer /For all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: "It might have been". /(John G. Whittier) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
