Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better?
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Stefan Weigel wrote: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOFU > > Don´t ask Google, better ask Wikipedia! :-D > In Google, the first result looks like this (without the html): Tofu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Tofu or bean curd is a food made by coagulating soy milk and then pressing the resulting curds into soft white blocks. It is of Chinese origin, and it is ... Posting style - Stinky tofu - Agedashi tofu - Tofurky en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofu - Cached - Similar Notice the "Posting style" in the second to last line? That's a link to the Wikipedia page that contains the piece you linked to, above. I didn't say it was hard to find, I said it was tricky. TOFU is not intuitively rational as a term for "top posting." Also, I find it mildly offensive, as I happen to like eating tofu form time to time :-) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better?
Hi, Am 19.01.2011 09:52, schrieb Sigrid Carrera: >> TOFU is a widely used acronym in german speaking areas. > > TOFU means "Text oben, Fullquote unten" > translation: Text above full quote below TOFU is an acronym for "Text Over, Fullquote Under" and it´s not special for german speaking areas. At least that´s my experience from the time when I was a graduate student in Delaware, USA. ;-) Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better?
Hi, Am 18.01.2011 21:06, schrieb MR ZenWiz: > 2) Calling it TOFU, which is an acronym I've never seen before and, > based on how tricky it was to find in Google, I suspect is not often > used, is worse. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOFU Don´t ask Google, better ask Wikipedia! :-D Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better?
Hi, 2011/1/18 MR ZenWiz > > 2) Calling it TOFU, which is an acronym I've never seen before and, > based on how tricky it was to find in Google, I suspect is not often > used, is worse. :-) (One might not think so, given our proclivity to > using TLAs and FLAs in place of perfectly valid words, but this one's > new to me.) > > TOFU is a widely used acronym in german speaking areas. TOFU means "Text oben, Fullquote unten" translation: Text above full quote below TUFO exists as well - Text below, full quote above. But I think, that this arrangement is less common. ;) To make it even worse, the word Tofu exists in German - it means the cheese (?) made of soy, that vegetarians use instead of meat (I just looked it up in my preferred online dictionary, it means "bean curd"). Hope, I could help a bit. ;) Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better?
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Stefan Weigel wrote: > Am 17.01.2011 23:03, schrieb MR ZenWiz: >> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Stefan Weigel >> wrote: > : > >>> Well that´s just what you are supposed to do. ;-) See paragraph "2. >>> Quoting and Answering" in >>> http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html > >> I disagree - when you cut so much that the context is lost, that's too >> much left out. > > But you agree, that TOFU is disadvantageous? > 1) Top posting is disadvantageous for too many reasons to go into, but your reference page discusses them. 2) Calling it TOFU, which is an acronym I've never seen before and, based on how tricky it was to find in Google, I suspect is not often used, is worse. :-) (One might not think so, given our proclivity to using TLAs and FLAs in place of perfectly valid words, but this one's new to me.) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better?
Hi, Am 17.01.2011 23:03, schrieb MR ZenWiz: > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Stefan Weigel > wrote: >> Am 17.01.2011 22:33, schrieb Tom Davies: >>> Thanks for the link. Yes, i think i was answering Edmund but i felt that >>> your >>> comment was also directly relevant. It is a bit difficult to tell because >>> you >>> have chopped off all the mails >> Well that´s just what you are supposed to do. ;-) See paragraph "2. >> Quoting and Answering" in >> http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html > I disagree - when you cut so much that the context is lost, that's too > much left out. But you agree, that TOFU is disadvantageous? Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better?
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Stefan Weigel wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Am 17.01.2011 22:33, schrieb Tom Davies: > >> Thanks for the link. Yes, i think i was answering Edmund but i felt that >> your >> comment was also directly relevant. It is a bit difficult to tell because >> you >> have chopped off all the mails > > Well that´s just what you are supposed to do. ;-) See paragraph "2. > Quoting and Answering" in > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html > I disagree - when you cut so much that the context is lost, that's too much left out. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better?
Hi Tom, Am 17.01.2011 22:33, schrieb Tom Davies: > Thanks for the link. Yes, i think i was answering Edmund but i felt that > your > comment was also directly relevant. It is a bit difficult to tell because > you > have chopped off all the mails Well that´s just what you are supposed to do. ;-) See paragraph "2. Quoting and Answering" in http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html :-) Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better?
Hi :) Thanks for the link. Yes, i think i was answering Edmund but i felt that your comment was also directly relevant. It is a bit difficult to tell because you have chopped off all the mails you are talking about. Regards from Tom :) From: Stefan Weigel To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 17 January, 2011 21:28:03 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better? Hi Tom, Am 17.01.2011 18:51, schrieb Tom Davies: > Hi Edmund :) > ... [lots of TOFU] you are answering to Edmund, not me, right? Could you please learn to quote (http://learn.to/quote/), avoid TOFU, and post your reply to the message you are answering to? Readers will be thankful. Stefan. -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better?
Hi Tom, Am 17.01.2011 18:51, schrieb Tom Davies: > Hi Edmund :) > ... [lots of TOFU] you are answering to Edmund, not me, right? Could you please learn to quote (http://learn.to/quote/), avoid TOFU, and post your reply to the message you are answering to? Readers will be thankful. Stefan. -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better?
Hi :) Easy. Go with LibreOffice (pun intended) Go-oo has moved to LibreOffice http://planet.go-oo.org/ & i think that already many of their updates that were delayed in OpenOffice have already been included in LibreOffice bug-squad or even pushed into the RCs :) Even if LibreOffice doesn't make it as the default Office Suite in April's Ubuntu release it is in the repos and will most likely be in the October release. We can't expect a vast behemoth such as Ubuntu to be fast and agile at reacting to stuff like this. Regards from Tom :) From: Arda Tunccekic To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 17 January, 2011 15:49:49 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better? I can assure you LibreOffice is better, it has more features and it is better in Ms Office compatibility. But it still needs some bug fixes and still have some problems with Office compatilibity. I think, if the development team works hard for some 6-12 months and takes bug reports seriously, it can be a real alternative for even hardcore Ms Office users. Regards On 17.01.2011 17:06, Edmund Laugasson wrote: > > Users are quite confused - three opportunities: LibreOffice, Go-OO and >OpenOffice.org - which to choose... > Which will be included in Ubuntu? I heard, that LibreOffice I use myself >Ubuntu already years... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better?
Hi Edmund :) "Better" is a very simplistic term. Similar projects usually have different aims&objectives and therefore suit different circumstances better. LibreOffice seems more responsive to bug-reports and seems to be developing functionality faster. In the first week of LibreOffice we saw a LOT of thoroughly tested bug-fixes were finally released which have still not been released in OpenOffice. So, OpenOffice would say that it is better because it is "more stable", meaning that known bugs&quirkiness stay around for longer. LibreOffice is due to be the standard Office used in most new installs of linux although OpenOffice is likely to remain in their repositories so people can still change from Libre to KOffice (is that called Caliga or something now) or Gnome Office (very very light-weight and limited functionality) or OpenOffice. We have already seen a lot of Windows users and even some Mac users switch to LibreOffice. One problem with creating a table is that we have to keep adding new things to the LibreOffice side while the OpenOffice side would remain fairly static. Our opinion would probably be seen as biased although it might be a useful tool for us to have. Regards from Tom :) From: Stefan Weigel To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 17 January, 2011 17:10:56 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better? Hi Edmund, Am 17.01.2011 16:06, schrieb Edmund Laugasson: > How should I know, which is better - OpenOffice.org or LibreOffice? > There would be helpful if there can be created comparison table Well, that´s not very easy and will be changing a lot in the next months. At the moment, I guess, it´s a true statement in general to say, that LibreOffice has more features and more bugs as well. (My very personal impression, though.) But for me, much more interesting is the following: OpenOffice.org is just open source, whereas LibreOffice is independent and free (in sense of freedom). The OpenOffice.org project today is the remainder of a huge community after most of the independent community members supported the idea, that a non-profit foundation should take care of the evolution of their project, rather than Oracle. In fact, when you look at the people and the spirit of the project, LibreOffice is the true continuation of the former OpenOffice.org project. It´s just a new name due to some legal issue. ;-) Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better?
Hi Edmund, Am 17.01.2011 16:06, schrieb Edmund Laugasson: > How should I know, which is better - OpenOffice.org or LibreOffice? > There would be helpful if there can be created comparison table Well, that´s not very easy and will be changing a lot in the next months. At the moment, I guess, it´s a true statement in general to say, that LibreOffice has more features and more bugs as well. (My very personal impression, though.) But for me, much more interesting is the following: OpenOffice.org is just open source, whereas LibreOffice is independent and free (in sense of freedom). The OpenOffice.org project today is the remainder of a huge community after most of the independent community members supported the idea, that a non-profit foundation should take care of the evolution of their project, rather than Oracle. In fact, when you look at the people and the spirit of the project, LibreOffice is the true continuation of the former OpenOffice.org project. It´s just a new name due to some legal issue. ;-) Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better?
Il 17/01/2011 16:06, Edmund Laugasson ha scritto: There is also Go-OO project at http://www.go-oo.org/ - what about that? Is LibreOffice including all features of Go-OO? As you could read here http://planet.go-oo.org/ "Go-oo has been made obsolete by the exciting new LibreOffice project. Read their planet here." "here" means http://planet.documentfoundation.org/ Enjoy, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] which is better?
I can assure you LibreOffice is better, it has more features and it is better in Ms Office compatibility. But it still needs some bug fixes and still have some problems with Office compatilibity. I think, if the development team works hard for some 6-12 months and takes bug reports seriously, it can be a real alternative for even hardcore Ms Office users. Regards On 17.01.2011 17:06, Edmund Laugasson wrote: Users are quite confused - three opportunities: LibreOffice, Go-OO and OpenOffice.org - which to choose... Which will be included in Ubuntu? I heard, that LibreOffice I use myself Ubuntu already years... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-users] which is better?
Hello! How should I know, which is better - OpenOffice.org or LibreOffice? There would be helpful if there can be created comparison table (functionality, formats support etc) into LibreOffice's web site. It seems like extensions for LibreOffice are coming from OpenOffice.org's website. There is also Go-OO project at http://www.go-oo.org/ - what about that? Is LibreOffice including all features of Go-OO? It seems like OpenOffice.org is still developed and downloadable - http://download.openoffice.org/ - there is also v3.3 available. Users are quite confused - three opportunities: LibreOffice, Go-OO and OpenOffice.org - which to choose... Which will be included in Ubuntu? I heard, that LibreOffice I use myself Ubuntu already years... Best Regards, Edmund Laugasson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
