Re: [libreoffice-users] Fixing Printing Paper Defaults
On 16/08/13 04:33, Brian Barker wrote: At 16:34 15/08/2013 +0100, Alastair Noname wrote: Ok but what puzzles me is that in Styles Formatting window, Page Styles tab, there are 10 or so styles listed, including the first page to which you referred me earlier. Er, they are the default page styles which come with the product. What I had intended to do was create a new first page page style from it, and save as say letter_first_page so that it appeared in this list when I next opened it. I could then import that into two new documents which I would edit to further to create the two templates I need at present. You want this in two templates. (Actually, I suspect you want *different* first page styles in each of two templates.) You can create it in one and then import it (using Load Styles...) into the other. Job done. Why are you choosing to create it in a third document first? Did you then save your third document? If so, your new style is there. If not, you have destroyed your work before you attempted to use it. I don't think you can add to the default set of styles. You can store new styles in documents and you can store them in templates (even the default template) - which is much the same as having them in the default set. Meanwhile I find I have created a template which looks OK starting with all defaults I assume and to which I have added a header. When I tried to change the style to first page so that the header would not appear on the second page, the header that I had typed vanished and I was presented with a blank header! I'm not clear which page you set to have this style or what Next Style you have set for any of your styles, so I cannot guess what you are doing here. But headers are a property of page styles, so if you change the style of any page - whether directly or as a result of a change to some preceding page - you will get the header of that new style instead of what you had before. That's exactly why you would choose to change the style, of course! I shall keep trying. Good-oh! Brian Barker Hi Brian, OK but your I don't think you can add to the default set of styles. does explain why I had a problem. I had assumed one could create custom styles and park them with the default set. Now I know this is not possible I shall just go ahead and create my templates as you suggest. Many thanks for all your help. Regards, Budge -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Fixing Printing Paper Defaults
On 15/08/13 01:12, Brian Barker wrote: At 21:29 14/08/2013 +0100, Alastair Noname wrote: Sorry to be so thick ... For what it's worth, I don't recognise that. ... but all the above went well until I revisited the page styles having shut down LO and started again later. Sadly the new style I had created following your steps above was not there! I have looked for a save option but cannot find one. How do I fix the newly created page style so it is available in the menu in future? Styles are saved in documents. If you saved the document you were working in when you created the styles, the styles will still exist in that document. (If you didn't, they won't!) If you want to use them in another document, you can import them using the Load Styles... facility in the Styles Formatting window. But in your case, you appeared to want these styles in documents in the form of letters, so the sensible way forward would be to create an otherwise empty document with any headings you wanted and your new styles. Then save that document as a template (File | Save as Template). When you want to create a new letter, instead of starting with a default blank document, start from your new template and then save the document so created as the new letter. You'll probably want two new templates, one for each of your letter types and each containing just one set of new styles appropriate to that letter type. Brian Barker Hi Brian, Ok but what puzzles me is that in Styles Formatting window, Page Styles tab, there are 10 or so styles listed, including the first page to which you referred me earlier. What I had intended to do was create a new first page page style from it, and save as say letter_first_page so that it appeared in this list when I next opened it. I could then import that into two new documents which I would edit to further to create the two templates I need at present. Meanwhile I find I have created a template which looks OK starting with all defaults I assume and to which I have added a header. When I tried to change the style to first page so that the header would not appear on the second page, the header that I had typed vanished and I was presented with a blank header! I shall keep trying. Regards, Budge -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Fixing Printing Paper Defaults
At 16:34 15/08/2013 +0100, Alastair Noname wrote: Ok but what puzzles me is that in Styles Formatting window, Page Styles tab, there are 10 or so styles listed, including the first page to which you referred me earlier. Er, they are the default page styles which come with the product. What I had intended to do was create a new first page page style from it, and save as say letter_first_page so that it appeared in this list when I next opened it. I could then import that into two new documents which I would edit to further to create the two templates I need at present. You want this in two templates. (Actually, I suspect you want *different* first page styles in each of two templates.) You can create it in one and then import it (using Load Styles...) into the other. Job done. Why are you choosing to create it in a third document first? Did you then save your third document? If so, your new style is there. If not, you have destroyed your work before you attempted to use it. I don't think you can add to the default set of styles. You can store new styles in documents and you can store them in templates (even the default template) - which is much the same as having them in the default set. Meanwhile I find I have created a template which looks OK starting with all defaults I assume and to which I have added a header. When I tried to change the style to first page so that the header would not appear on the second page, the header that I had typed vanished and I was presented with a blank header! I'm not clear which page you set to have this style or what Next Style you have set for any of your styles, so I cannot guess what you are doing here. But headers are a property of page styles, so if you change the style of any page - whether directly or as a result of a change to some preceding page - you will get the header of that new style instead of what you had before. That's exactly why you would choose to change the style, of course! I shall keep trying. Good-oh! Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Fixing Printing Paper Defaults
On 14/08/13 01:32, Brian Barker wrote: At 22:53 13/08/2013 +0100, Alastair Noname wrote: I note I can modify the First Page style but what I think I need to do is create a new first page style called say Home Address Letter style. I don't know how the style properties for the first page are created but I presume I can modify the First Page style and save it as Home Address Letter Is that right? o Open the Styles Formatting window. o Click on the Page Styles icon. o Double-click on First Page. (This applies First Page page style to the page containing the cursor.) o Click on New Style from Selection and then New Style from Selection. o Give your new style a name. You now have a copy of the First Page page style with your new name. o Right-click on the new style in the list and select Modify... . o Modify your new page style as required. In fact I need two letter first pages, one for office and one for home so further help would be appreciated. It would be easier to create one first page style in each of two separate templates, wouldn't it? You'd never want two first pages in one document. The second question concerns fonts. I am used to having the font included within the style definition. Is this possible with LO? Yes, but fonts are hardly page properties - so they are not a property of page styles. Fonts are a property of paragraph styles (and of character styles). Your templates will have default paragraph styles (perhaps Default or Text body?), and you can select a preferred font in each of those - or, indeed, in multiple paragraph styles. Brian Barker Hi Brian, All clear and yes I agree two templates for two first pages. Many thanks again. Budge -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Fixing Printing Paper Defaults
At 21:29 14/08/2013 +0100, Alastair Noname wrote: Sorry to be so thick ... For what it's worth, I don't recognise that. ... but all the above went well until I revisited the page styles having shut down LO and started again later. Sadly the new style I had created following your steps above was not there! I have looked for a save option but cannot find one. How do I fix the newly created page style so it is available in the menu in future? Styles are saved in documents. If you saved the document you were working in when you created the styles, the styles will still exist in that document. (If you didn't, they won't!) If you want to use them in another document, you can import them using the Load Styles... facility in the Styles Formatting window. But in your case, you appeared to want these styles in documents in the form of letters, so the sensible way forward would be to create an otherwise empty document with any headings you wanted and your new styles. Then save that document as a template (File | Save as Template). When you want to create a new letter, instead of starting with a default blank document, start from your new template and then save the document so created as the new letter. You'll probably want two new templates, one for each of your letter types and each containing just one set of new styles appropriate to that letter type. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Fixing Printing Paper Defaults
On 02/08/13 01:13, Brian Barker wrote: At 22:54 01/08/2013 +0100, Alastair Noname wrote: My main use of LO will be for business correspondence and I need some help with templates. In WordPro my template has company details in the header but I am able to suppress this on the second and subsequent sheets. Is it possible to do this in LO ... Headers (and footers) are a property of page styles. If you want a header on some parts of your document but not on others - or headers with different contents - then you need different page styles for those parts. You could create your own styles if necessary, of course, but you may find that the standard First Page and Default page styles will suffice. o Go to Format | Styles and Formatting (or use the Styles and Formatting button in the Formatting toolbar, or press F11). o Click the Page Styles button. o With the cursor in the first page of your text, double-click the required page style - probably First Page. Since your text will presumably flow naturally across from the first page to the second, you will need the change of page style to occur at that point, wherever in the text that happens to be. You do this by defining a Next Style on the Organizer tab of the first page style - and you will see that First Page's Next Style is already set to Default, so that has been taken care of. Default's Next Style is Default, so your first page has First Page page style and all other pages will have Default page style. (There is another method which suits different cases. Where there is a clear separation between the material that must occur on the first and second pages, you will anyway wish to insert a manual page break at this point. And you can make the change in page style explicit at that point.) Also how do I keep numbering in footer correct? What's the problem? It's only when you want the page numbering *not* to follow on normally that you need to tinker. I trust this helps. Brian Barker Hi Brian, All the above is fine and thanks again. A couple of follow up questions if I may pleaase ask:- I note I can modify the First Page style but what I think I need to do is create a new first page style called say Home Address Letter style. I don't know how the style properties for the first page are created but I presume I can modify the First Page style and save it as Home Address Letter Is that right? In fact I need two letter first pages, one for office and one for home so further help would be appreciated. The second question concerns fonts. I am used to having the font included within the style definition. Is this possible with LO? Grateful for further guidance when you have time. Regards, Budge -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Fixing Printing Paper Defaults
At 22:53 13/08/2013 +0100, Alastair Noname wrote: I note I can modify the First Page style but what I think I need to do is create a new first page style called say Home Address Letter style. I don't know how the style properties for the first page are created but I presume I can modify the First Page style and save it as Home Address Letter Is that right? o Open the Styles Formatting window. o Click on the Page Styles icon. o Double-click on First Page. (This applies First Page page style to the page containing the cursor.) o Click on New Style from Selection and then New Style from Selection. o Give your new style a name. You now have a copy of the First Page page style with your new name. o Right-click on the new style in the list and select Modify... . o Modify your new page style as required. In fact I need two letter first pages, one for office and one for home so further help would be appreciated. It would be easier to create one first page style in each of two separate templates, wouldn't it? You'd never want two first pages in one document. The second question concerns fonts. I am used to having the font included within the style definition. Is this possible with LO? Yes, but fonts are hardly page properties - so they are not a property of page styles. Fonts are a property of paragraph styles (and of character styles). Your templates will have default paragraph styles (perhaps Default or Text body?), and you can select a preferred font in each of those - or, indeed, in multiple paragraph styles. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Fixing Printing Paper Defaults
On 14/08/13 12:32 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 22:53 13/08/2013 +0100, Alastair Noname wrote: I note I can modify the First Page style but what I think I need to do is create a new first page style called say Home Address Letter style. I don't know how the style properties for the first page are created but I presume I can modify the First Page style and save it as Home Address Letter Is that right? o Open the Styles Formatting window. o Click on the Page Styles icon. o Double-click on First Page. (This applies First Page page style to the page containing the cursor.) o Click on New Style from Selection and then New Style from Selection. o Give your new style a name. You now have a copy of the First Page page style with your new name. o Right-click on the new style in the list and select Modify... . o Modify your new page style as required. In fact I need two letter first pages, one for office and one for home so further help would be appreciated. It would be easier to create one first page style in each of two separate templates, wouldn't it? You'd never want two first pages in one document. The second question concerns fonts. I am used to having the font included within the style definition. Is this possible with LO? Yes, but fonts are hardly page properties - so they are not a property of page styles. Fonts are a property of paragraph styles (and of character styles). Your templates will have default paragraph styles (perhaps Default or Text body?), and you can select a preferred font in each of those - or, indeed, in multiple paragraph styles. Please correct me if I am wrong. LO does not have global styles, styles are stored in documents. Default styles are those in default documents. Hence your suggestion to have 2 different templates for each of the first page styles. When you load the template you get the styles in that template. Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Fixing Printing Paper Defaults
Original Message From: Budgie aje...@errichel.co.uk To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 22:54:28 +0100 Hi, my first post here. I am presently running LibreOffice 3.5:build-413, Build ID: 350m1(Build:413) on OS: Linux 3.4.47-2.38-desktop x86_64, System: openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64) and KDE: 4.8.5 (4.8.5) release 2openSUSE 12.2 desktop. I know there is a more recent LO version but not on openSUSE 12.2 repo site. I have just had to start using LO as my usual word processor Lotus WordPro (on OS/2 Warp 4.5) is not available as machine is under repair. My main use of LO will be for business correspondence and I need some help with templates. In WordPro my template has company details in the header but I am able to supress this on the second and subsequent sheets. Is it possible to do this in LO and if not how do I achieve the same objective of having different header (blank) on sheets 2 onwards. Also how do I keep numbering in footer correct? Budge Welcome Budge, What you need to do is have two separate Page Styles, one for the first page and one for the remaining pages. See: https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Creating_and_Applying_Page_Styles For more detailed information see chapters 6 7 of the Writer User Guide: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/ or: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/writer-guide/published-lo-3.6 Once you have created the styles with the first page header, etc. save the document layout as a template. Chapter 10 of the Writer User Guide covers templates. Hope this helps. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
