Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Multiple Tables In Writer Document

2015-03-18 Thread Steve Harp 
Hi Tom,

My platform is OS X.  I only use Mac or Linux and avoid Windows like the plague.

Yes.  I know that ODF is basically just a zip file.

Steve



> On Mar 18, 2015, at 5:12 PM, Tom Davies  wrote:
> 
> Hi :)  
> Did you let us know which Operating System?  Is it Windows 7?  or could you 
> let us know just the platform, such as Windows, Linux, Mac or BSD?  
> 
> 
> Yes, this is no good as a long-term solution to your particular requirements 
> - but it might be a good temporary work-around for right now giving you time 
> to look into other ways of doing the job.
> 
> Just a bit of brain-storming ... 
> *  Would Base's Forms or Reports be a better way of doing this?  
> *  How about using html? 
> *  If there is not much text between tables then Calc might be useful and 
> much simpler.  
> *  Might it be possible to work on the xml inside the .Odt container format?  
> [1]
> *  In CV Alkan's answer does Ctrl x (or other way of doing a "Cut") have the 
> same effect and can the contents of the table then be pasted into a new table 
> without altering it's layout?  
> *  Again, could Frank's method be adapted using Ctrl Shift v (or other way of 
> doing "paste special") to paste and does that neatly replace the original 
> table with the new layout?  
> 
> [1] You know that if you rename the file-ending from .odt to .zip then you 
> can open it as a zip-file.  Inside there are some folders and xml files and 
> things.  Of course it is usually best to create a copy of the original file 
> and do the renaming and other work on the back-up jic something goes wrong 
> while you experiment with it.  
> 
> Regards from 
> Tom :)  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> On 18 March 2015 at 19:30, fang  > wrote:
> Hi Frank,
> 
> That’s interesting and useful but this is a dynamic document.  Tables may 
> have  to be changed frequently without deleting content.
> 
> Thanks for the reply,
> Steve
> 
> 
> > On Mar 18, 2015, at 3:25 PM, CVAlkan [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi -
> >
> > The way I do this is to simply copy the table I want to mimic. Table | 
> > Select | Table | Ctrl+C
> >
> > Then paste it at the location I want. Ctrl+V
> >
> > Then select the pasted table. Table | Select | Table
> >
> > Then press the Delete key. You might think this would delete the table, but 
> > it just deletes the contents, leaving styles, backgrounds, borders and 
> > things all the same. It will also keep the repeat rows for header property 
> > as well.
> >
> > For tables that will repeat a lot, thia is much easier. It would be nice to 
> > have table styles, but I personally would rather have the developers 
> > working on the serious regression bugs that exist.
> >
> > I hope this makes life a little easier.
> >
> > Frank
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Multiple Tables In Writer Document

2015-03-18 Thread Tom Davies 
Hi :)
Did you let us know which Operating System?  Is it Windows 7?  or could you
let us know just the platform, such as Windows, Linux, Mac or BSD?


Yes, this is no good as a long-term solution to your particular
requirements - but it might be a good temporary work-around for right now
giving you time to look into other ways of doing the job.

Just a bit of brain-storming ...
*  Would Base's Forms or Reports be a better way of doing this?
*  How about using html?
*  If there is not much text between tables then Calc might be useful and
much simpler.
*  Might it be possible to work on the xml inside the .Odt container
format?  [1]
*  In CV Alkan's answer does Ctrl x (or other way of doing a "Cut") have
the same effect and can the contents of the table then be pasted into a new
table without altering it's layout?
*  Again, could Frank's method be adapted using Ctrl Shift v (or other way
of doing "paste special") to paste and does that neatly replace the
original table with the new layout?

[1] You know that if you rename the file-ending from .odt to .zip then you
can open it as a zip-file.  Inside there are some folders and xml files and
things.  Of course it is usually best to create a copy of the original file
and do the renaming and other work on the back-up jic something goes wrong
while you experiment with it.

Regards from
Tom :)




On 18 March 2015 at 19:30, fang  wrote:

> Hi Frank,
>
> That’s interesting and useful but this is a dynamic document.  Tables may
> have  to be changed frequently without deleting content.
>
> Thanks for the reply,
> Steve
>
>
> > On Mar 18, 2015, at 3:25 PM, CVAlkan [via Document Foundation Mail
> Archive]  wrote:
> >
> > Hi -
> >
> > The way I do this is to simply copy the table I want to mimic. Table |
> Select | Table | Ctrl+C
> >
> > Then paste it at the location I want. Ctrl+V
> >
> > Then select the pasted table. Table | Select | Table
> >
> > Then press the Delete key. You might think this would delete the table,
> but it just deletes the contents, leaving styles, backgrounds, borders and
> things all the same. It will also keep the repeat rows for header property
> as well.
> >
> > For tables that will repeat a lot, thia is much easier. It would be nice
> to have table styles, but I personally would rather have the developers
> working on the serious regression bugs that exist.
> >
> > I hope this makes life a little easier.
> >
> > Frank
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Multiple Tables In Writer Document

2015-03-17 Thread Ralf Kersanach 
Hi folks,

I got probably an idea. If you do an continuous table which could fill several 
linked text frames, so you would change for example column size in the first 
frame and it would affect the size of that column through out every frame. 

Two points must be taken in consideration:

1- If header are the same throughout all tables. I do not know if all column 
headers would be the same or different. If they are the same I do not know if 
the item "repeat table header in next page" considers a change in frames equal 
to a change in page. If not just repeat manually headers in next frame.  The 
downfall with this is if you add more data to the starting table you must 
either increase the frame or reorganize all tables manually through the text.

2- Hiding tha fact that the table is an continuous among frames and table isn 
included in an frame. If header repeating does not work or you headers are 
different you could hide the continuity among frames just by not applying 
line. Cell frame can also be invisible by not applying borders.

Well hope it helps.

Regards,

Ralf 




On Tuesday 17 March 2015 18:14:53 Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Is this becoming something that could be posted as a "feature request"?
> 
> It does sound like something that could be really useful and i'm surprised
> no-one has thought of it before.  Perhaps they have and made an Extension?
> I doubt that too tbh.
> http://extensions.libreoffice.org/
> 
> 
> Regards from
> Tom :)
> 
> On 17 March 2015 at 17:38, Steve Edmonds  wrote:
> > It is a pity you can't use a variable field in the formatting dialogues.
> > That could be useful in a range of places.
> > 
> > On 2015-03-18 02:34, fang wrote:
> >> Hi Tom,
> >> 
> >> I’ve looked at styles and it’s not possible to modify table properties
> >> such as column widths using styles.  There are Page, Paragraph and
> >> Character styles but no Table styles.
> >> 
> >> Thanks for the suggestion,
> >> Steve
> >> 
> >>  On Mar 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, TomD [via Document Foundation Mail Archive]
> >>  
> >>>  wrote:
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> >>> Hi :)
> >>> I wonder if there is a "Style" for that sort of thing?
> >>> 
> >>> Chapter 3 in the "Getting Started Guide";
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> >>> Regards from
> >>> Tom :)
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On 16 March 2015 at 19:43, fang <[hidden email]
> >>> 
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>  Thanks for the reply, but that's sad.  I'm using the tables to format
> >>>  
>  the
>  document and need columns to align.  Having to touch each table every
>  time
>  the format changes is a real bummer.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Multiple Tables In Writer Document

2015-03-17 Thread Tom Davies 
Hi :)
Is this becoming something that could be posted as a "feature request"?

It does sound like something that could be really useful and i'm surprised
no-one has thought of it before.  Perhaps they have and made an Extension?
I doubt that too tbh.
http://extensions.libreoffice.org/


Regards from
Tom :)



On 17 March 2015 at 17:38, Steve Edmonds  wrote:

> It is a pity you can't use a variable field in the formatting dialogues.
> That could be useful in a range of places.
>
>
> On 2015-03-18 02:34, fang wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> I’ve looked at styles and it’s not possible to modify table properties
>> such as column widths using styles.  There are Page, Paragraph and
>> Character styles but no Table styles.
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestion,
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>  On Mar 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, TomD [via Document Foundation Mail Archive]
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi :)
>>> I wonder if there is a "Style" for that sort of thing?
>>>
>>> Chapter 3 in the "Getting Started Guide";
>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications <
>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications>
>>>
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 March 2015 at 19:43, fang <[hidden email]
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>  Thanks for the reply, but that's sad.  I'm using the tables to format
 the
 document and need columns to align.  Having to touch each table every
 time
 the format changes is a real bummer.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Multiple Tables In Writer Document

2015-03-17 Thread Steve Edmonds 
It is a pity you can't use a variable field in the formatting dialogues. 
That could be useful in a range of places.


On 2015-03-18 02:34, fang wrote:

Hi Tom,

I’ve looked at styles and it’s not possible to modify table properties such as 
column widths using styles.  There are Page, Paragraph and Character styles but 
no Table styles.

Thanks for the suggestion,
Steve



On Mar 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, TomD [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
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Hi :)
I wonder if there is a "Style" for that sort of thing?

Chapter 3 in the "Getting Started Guide";
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Regards from
Tom :)


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document and need columns to align.  Having to touch each table every time
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Multiple Tables In Writer Document

2015-03-17 Thread Tom Davies 
Hi :)
I wonder if there is a "Style" for that sort of thing?

Chapter 3 in the "Getting Started Guide";
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications

Regards from
Tom :)


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