Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-02-01 Thread Robert Funnell

On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, TomW wrote:

What I found on my LibreOffice 3.5.5.2 (vista): lower case fn did not 
work(error like OP), upper case FN does work.  In calling up the autotext 
dialog, then selecting 'formula numbering', the displayed shortcut was FN 
(both uppercase).


For me, with both LibreOffice 3.4.6 under Linux and OpenOffice 3.4.1 
under Windows 7, either 'fn' or 'FN' works. My understanding is that 
AutoText is supposed to be case insensitive, and that the shortcut 
(e.g., 'FN') is always upper case. (Indeed, I'd prefer that it were 
not.) Do other people also see the case sensitivity?





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations (Thanks)

2013-01-31 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)  
You are welcome.  I think it was Brian that did most of the heavy lifting 
there.  For a while i thought it was going to be an intractable problem so i 
was really glad to see it solved.  Thanks for pushing through with it rather 
than just giving up, as many would have done.  

Good work and congrats!  Oh, and to all the people that helped with this thread 
too
Regards from
Tom :)  






 From: Taang Zomi libreofficez...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Cc: Taang Zomi libreofficez...@gmail.com; putaangz...@gmail.com 
Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013, 9:44
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations (Thanks)
 
Dear Robert Funnell, Brian Barker, Dries Feys, Dan Lewis, Tom Davies, and
Tom Webb,

Thank you all for discussing and solving one of my problems.

Sincerely,

Taang Zomi

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Taang Zomi libreofficez...@gmail.comwrote:



 In LibreOffiice 3.3  Math Guide (0700MG33-MathGuide3.3.odt), on p. 14, the
 following is written:

  *Numbering equations*

 Equation numbering is one of LibreOffice Math’s best hidden features. The
 steps are simple, but obscure:

    1.

    Start a new line.
    2.

    Type *fn* and then press *F3*.

  The *fn* is replaced by a numbered formula:

   [[equation: E = mc2]                         (2)

 ()

 Now you can double-click on the formula to edit it. For example, here is
 the Riemann Zeta function:
 [equation: [Rieman Zeta Function]       (3)

 You can reference an equation (“as shown in Equation (2)”) with these
 steps:

    1.

    Choose *Insert  Cross-reference* from the menu bar.
    2.

    On the *Cross-references* tab (Figure 17), under *Type*, select *Text*.
    3.

    Under *Selection*, select the equation number.
    4.

    Under *Format*, select *Reference*.



 ==

 When I typed fn and pressed F3, nothing happened. In the document the fn I
 typed appeared, not the desired result.


 I do not know whether my F3 key did not work.

 Can somebody kindly explain in step-by-step detail  how to number
 equations.


 ==


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-30 Thread Dries Feys
I can confirm the message on Version 3.6.4.3 (Build ID: 2ef5aff) / Win 7 64 bit

Way to reproduce:

open Writer
Press F3
-- error arises :
AutoText for Shortcut '' not found.

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CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer


On 30 January 2013 07:30, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote:
 At 15:38 29/01/2013 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:

 I just started a new Writer document, typed fn and then pressed F3, and
 got the same message:


 Someone has made the intelligent suggestion to me (strangely off-list) that
 you may have pressed the Fn key which appears on the restricted keyboards
 of some laptops instead of typing the letters fn.  That also wouldn't
 work: by itself, that key does nothing.

 Oh, and if you have one of those keyboards, you probably do need to hold
 down the Fn key in order to make the F3 key do its job afterwards!

 Indeed, if you have (mis)interpreted the instructions as meaning that you
 should hold down the Fn key and then press F3, the error message you quote
 is exactly what you would see.  On this type of keyboard, you need to type
 f, type n, and then hold down the Fn key whilst pressing F3.


 Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-30 Thread Dries Feys
Think I found it :

F3 gives an error; ctrl F3 doesn't.

The error behind F3 should be taken care of.

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On 30 January 2013 10:35, Dries Feys dries.f...@tvh.com wrote:
 I can confirm the message on Version 3.6.4.3 (Build ID: 2ef5aff) / Win 7 64 
 bit

 Way to reproduce:

 open Writer
 Press F3
 -- error arises :
 AutoText for Shortcut '' not found.

 Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,

 DRIES FEYS
 CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer


 On 30 January 2013 07:30, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote:
 At 15:38 29/01/2013 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:

 I just started a new Writer document, typed fn and then pressed F3, and
 got the same message:


 Someone has made the intelligent suggestion to me (strangely off-list) that
 you may have pressed the Fn key which appears on the restricted keyboards
 of some laptops instead of typing the letters fn.  That also wouldn't
 work: by itself, that key does nothing.

 Oh, and if you have one of those keyboards, you probably do need to hold
 down the Fn key in order to make the F3 key do its job afterwards!

 Indeed, if you have (mis)interpreted the instructions as meaning that you
 should hold down the Fn key and then press F3, the error message you quote
 is exactly what you would see.  On this type of keyboard, you need to type
 f, type n, and then hold down the Fn key whilst pressing F3.


 Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-30 Thread Brian Barker

At 10:35 30/01/2013 +0100, Dries Feys wrote:
I can confirm the message on Version 3.6.4.3 (Build ID: 2ef5aff) / 
Win 7 64 bit


Way to reproduce:

open Writer
Press F3
-- error arises :
AutoText for Shortcut '' not found.


I think we know this!  I trust you don't think this is a bug.  If you 
fail to enter any shortcut but then invoke AutoText by pressing F3, 
you will indeed be told that there is no AutoText entry for a null 
shortcut.  That's correct and helpful.


The original questioner needed to enter fn and *then* press 
F3.  That should achieve what he needs.  He was having difficulty with that.


Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-30 Thread Brian Barker

At 10:38 30/01/2013 +0100, Dries Feys wrote:

Think I found it :

F3 gives an error; ctrl F3 doesn't.


That's because they do different things.

o F3 is Run AutoText Entry: it takes the characters you have just 
typed as a shortcut and expands them according to AutoText.


o Ctrl+F3 is AutoText: it opens the AutoText dialogue, which enable 
you to do much more.  You can even invoke AutoText entries that way, 
but it is a long-winded way of doing so!



The error behind F3 should be taken care of.


There is no error that most of us can see.

Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-30 Thread Dries Feys
There is no real error, but imho, it could be clearer... I'd think of
something like :
Apparently no shortcut was given. AutoText aborted.


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On 30 January 2013 10:57, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote:

 At 10:38 30/01/2013 +0100, Dries Feys wrote:

 Think I found it :

 F3 gives an error; ctrl F3 doesn't.


 That's because they do different things.

 o F3 is Run AutoText Entry: it takes the characters you have just typed
 as a shortcut and expands them according to AutoText.

 o Ctrl+F3 is AutoText: it opens the AutoText dialogue, which enable you
 to do much more.  You can even invoke AutoText entries that way, but it is
 a long-winded way of doing so!


  The error behind F3 should be taken care of.


 There is no error that most of us can see.


 Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-30 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
If you would like to post a bug-report about that then this link might help
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
If it makes it clearer for people that haven't tried it before then it could 
help.
Regards from
Tom :)  






 From: Dries Feys dries.f...@tvh.com
To: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 30 January 2013, 10:01
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations
 
There is no real error, but imho, it could be clearer... I'd think of
something like :
Apparently no shortcut was given. AutoText aborted.


Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,

*DRIES FEYS*
*CORPORATE SERVICES* • *Specialist Software Developer*


On 30 January 2013 10:57, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote:

 At 10:38 30/01/2013 +0100, Dries Feys wrote:

 Think I found it :

 F3 gives an error; ctrl F3 doesn't.


 That's because they do different things.

 o F3 is Run AutoText Entry: it takes the characters you have just typed
 as a shortcut and expands them according to AutoText.

 o Ctrl+F3 is AutoText: it opens the AutoText dialogue, which enable you
 to do much more.  You can even invoke AutoText entries that way, but it is
 a long-winded way of doing so!


  The error behind F3 should be taken care of.


 There is no error that most of us can see.


 Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-30 Thread Brian Barker

At 15:31 30/01/2013 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:
I typed a space after the fn, and  typed no space after the fn. 
I  got the same result:

AutoText for Shortcut  not found.


Then something strange is happening for you that doesn't generally.

I'm running out of ideas.  Here's another couple of things to try:

o Open the AutoText dialogue (e.g. by pressing Ctrl+F3 as has been discussed).
o Expand the Standard group.
o Does Formula Numbering appear in the list (as it should)?
o If you select it, does FN appear in the Shortcut box (as it should)?
o If not, someone has customised your set-up and upset the facility.

o At the top of the AutoText dialogue, ensure Display remainder of 
name as suggestion while typing.

o Close the AutoText dialogue.
o In the text (Writer) document, type For.
o Does a small note window saying Formula Numbering appear?
o Whilst the small window is displayed, press Enter.
o Does the dummy numbered equation now appear?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-30 Thread Brian Barker

At 16:10 30/01/2013 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:

I did all you said above, and I got all the results.


Good-oh!

The second suggestion is an effective workaround for you, then: 
typing F, o, r, Enter is hardly any longer than f, n, F3 would have been.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-30 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
What!?  Oh no!  Has this been solved already?  ;)
Regards from
Tom :)  






 From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 30 January 2013, 21:24
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations
 
At 16:10 30/01/2013 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:
 I did all you said above, and I got all the results.

Good-oh!

The second suggestion is an effective workaround for you, then: typing F, o, 
r, Enter is hardly any longer than f, n, F3 would have been.

Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-30 Thread TomW

On 2013-01-30 16:10, Taang Zomi wrote:

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.comwrote:


At 15:31 30/01/2013 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:


I typed a space after the fn, and  typed no space after the fn. I
  got the same result:
AutoText for Shortcut  not found.


Then something strange is happening for you that doesn't generally.

I'm running out of ideas.  Here's another couple of things to try:

o Open the AutoText dialogue (e.g. by pressing Ctrl+F3 as has been
discussed).
o Expand the Standard group.
o Does Formula Numbering appear in the list (as it should)?
o If you select it, does FN appear in the Shortcut box (as it should)?
o If not, someone has customised your set-up and upset the facility.

o At the top of the AutoText dialogue, ensure Display remainder of name
as suggestion while typing.
o Close the AutoText dialogue.
o In the text (Writer) document, type For.
o Does a small note window saying Formula Numbering appear?
o Whilst the small window is displayed, press Enter.
o Does the dummy numbered equation now appear?


Brian Barker


Dear Brian,

I did all you said above, and I got all the results.

Sincerely,

Taang Zomi



To All:

What I found on my LibreOffice 3.5.5.2 (vista): lower case fn did not 
work(error like OP), upper case FN does work.  In calling up the 
autotext dialog, then selecting 'formula numbering', the displayed 
shortcut was FN (both uppercase).


TomW

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Funnell

On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Taang Zomi wrote:


On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Robert Funnell robert.funn...@mcgill.cawrote:


It's possible to do what you're trying to do without the F3 key. Go to the
Edit menu and select AutoText. You should see a list of categories. Expand
the one called Standard. If you scroll down the resulting list, you should
see the entry 'Formula Numbering'. Select it and then click on the Insert
button. Your equation should appear.

Does this work for you?

On Sun, 27 Jan 2013, Taang Zomi wrote:

 In LibreOffiice 3.3  Math Guide (0700MG33-MathGuide3.3.odt), on p. 14, the

following is written:

*Numbering equations*

Equation numbering is one of LibreOffice Math?s best hidden features. The
steps are simple, but obscure:

  1.

  Start a new line.
  2.

  Type *fn* and then press *F3*.

The *fn* is replaced by a numbered formula:


...



==

When I typed fn and pressed F3, nothing happened. In the document the fn I
typed appeared, not the desired result.


I do not know whether my F3 key did not work.

Can somebody kindly explain in step-by-step detail  how to number
equations.


==




Dear Robert,

Thank you very much for your reply. Now I know how to bypass the typing of
fn and the pressing of F3.

I typed fn in the Equation Editor and I found just fn in the document.
Beside the fn in the document, I pressed F3, and I got an onscreen message:

AutoText for Shortcut  not found.
...


If you see that message, then F3 is working. You're not supposed to 
type fn in the equation editor. Just type it in the document itself as 
regular text and then (with the cursor immediately to the right of 
'fn') press F3. As mentioned in another response, make sure that 
you're doing this in a Writer document.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-29 Thread Brian Barker

At 11:51 29/01/2013 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 18:04 27/01/2013 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:
In LibreOffice 3.3 Math Guide (0700MG33-MathGuide3.3.odt), on p. 
14, the following is written:


*Numbering equations*
Equation numbering is one of LibreOffice Math's best hidden 
features. The steps are simple, but obscure:

1. Start a new line.
2. Type *fn* and then press *F3*.
[...]

When I typed fn and pressed F3, nothing happened. In the document 
the fn I typed appeared, not the desired result.  I do not know 
whether my F3 key did not work.


I think what you may be doing (understandably) is to try this in a 
Math document - and I cannot see how it works there.  Instead, it 
works as described in a text (Writer) document.  Indeed, I notice 
that the version of the Math Guide for LibreOffice version 3.5 has 
corrected Equation numbering is one of LibreOffice Math's best 
hidden features to read Equation numbering is one of Writer's 
best hidden features.


In a text document, in a new paragraph or after a space, type fn 
and press F3.  A table with a single row of two columns appears, 
containing a dummy equation and the required number (as a 
field).  You need only to double-click the equation to open the 
Math window at the bottom of the  window, where you can remove the 
dummy equation's definition and replace it with your own.


The typing of fn and the pressing of F3 yields an onscreen message: 
AutoText for Shortcut  not found.


Something seems to be missing on my computer. Perhaps I need to 
re-install LibreOffice 3.6.4, which I am using?


No, I suspect that you are simply not following the advice 
given.  *Don't* start a Math document.  *Don't* use Insert | Object  
| Formula.  Instead, forget about Math for the moment!  In a text 
(Writer) document, type fn in a new paragraph and press F3.  You 
will see the dummy numbered equation.  Now double-click the equation: 
this will automatically open the Math sub-window and you can replace 
the dummy equation's definition by your own.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-29 Thread Dan Lewis

On 01/29/2013 03:38 PM, Taang Zomi wrote:

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Brian Barkerb.m.bar...@btinternet.comwrote:


At 11:51 29/01/2013 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:


On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Brian Barker wrote:


At 18:04 27/01/2013 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:


In LibreOffice 3.3 Math Guide (0700MG33-MathGuide3.3.odt), on p. 14,
the following is written:

*Numbering equations*
Equation numbering is one of LibreOffice Math's best hidden features.
The steps are simple, but obscure:
1. Start a new line.
2. Type *fn* and then press *F3*.
[...]

When I typed fn and pressed F3, nothing happened. In the document the
fn I typed appeared, not the desired result.  I do not know whether my F3
key did not work.


I think what you may be doing (understandably) is to try this in a Math
document - and I cannot see how it works there.  Instead, it works as
described in a text (Writer) document.  Indeed, I notice that the version
of the Math Guide for LibreOffice version 3.5 has corrected Equation
numbering is one of LibreOffice Math's best hidden features to read
Equation numbering is one of Writer's best hidden features.

In a text document, in a new paragraph or after a space, type fn and
press F3.  A table with a single row of two columns appears, containing a
dummy equation and the required number (as a field).  You need only to
double-click the equation to open the Math window at the bottom of the
  window, where you can remove the dummy equation's definition and replace
it with your own.


The typing of fn and the pressing of F3 yields an onscreen message:
AutoText for Shortcut  not found.

Something seems to be missing on my computer. Perhaps I need to
re-install LibreOffice 3.6.4, which I am using?


No, I suspect that you are simply not following the advice given.  *Don't*
start a Math document.  *Don't* use Insert | Object  | Formula.  Instead,
forget about Math for the moment!  In a text (Writer) document, type fn
in a new paragraph and press F3.  You will see the dummy numbered equation.
  Now double-click the equation: this will automatically open the Math
sub-window and you can replace the dummy equation's definition by your own.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Dear Brian,




Thank you very much for your reply.

I just started a new Writer document, typed fn and then pressed F3, and
got the same message:

AutoText for Shortcut  not found.

Sincerely,

Taang Zomi

  What version of LibreOffice are you using?
  Use Ctrl+F3 to open the AutoText dialog. Open the Standard folder 
in the Name window. Look for Formula Numbering in this list.
 I checked my LO versions. LO 3.5.7, 3.6.5, and 4.0.0.2 have it. I 
don't know when LO started putting this AutoText in the AutoText dialog, 
so if you have a version earlier than I do, you may not have it.


--Dan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-29 Thread Brian Barker

At 15:38 29/01/2013 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:
I just started a new Writer document, typed fn and then pressed F3, 
and got the same message:


I don't understand.  Did you type a space (or anything else) after 
the fn?  You mustn't do that!


Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-29 Thread Brian Barker

At 18:09 29/01/2013 -0500, Dan Lewis wrote:

On 01/29/2013 03:38 PM, Taang Zomi wrote:
I just started a new Writer document, typed fn and then pressed F3, 
and got the same message:


AutoText for Shortcut  not found.


What version of LibreOffice are you using?  Use Ctrl+F3 to open the 
AutoText dialog. Open the Standard folder in the Name window. Look 
for Formula Numbering in this list.  I checked my LO versions. LO 
3.5.7, 3.6.5, and 4.0.0.2 have it. I don't know when LO started 
putting this AutoText in the AutoText dialog, so if you have a 
version earlier than I do, you may not have it.


I hesitate to quibble, but this is unlikely to be the problem, I 
think.  If the particular AutoText were missing, the error message 
should be AutoText for Shortcut 'fn' not found, whereas it is 
actually reported as AutoText for Shortcut '' not found - in other 
words, AutoText seems to be failing to pick up the shortcut fn in 
the first place.


Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-29 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Is the fn a single key on the keyboard like the Ctrl or Alt keys?
Regards from
Tom :)  






 From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com
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Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2013, 23:27
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations
 
At 15:38 29/01/2013 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:
 I just started a new Writer document, typed fn and then pressed F3, and got 
 the same message:

I don't understand.  Did you type a space (or anything else) after the fn?  
You mustn't do that!

Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-29 Thread Brian Barker

At 05:24 30/01/2013 +, Tom Davies wrote:

Is the fn a single key on the keyboard like the Ctrl or Alt keys?


Er, no: you get the result fn using a very crafty technique, 
sometimes known as multiple keying.


o First you press the f key very briefly.
o Then you take your finger away from the f key and briefly press 
the n key instead.

o Now you will see the required result fn in your document.

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Numbering Equations

2013-01-29 Thread Brian Barker

At 15:38 29/01/2013 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:
I just started a new Writer document, typed fn and then pressed F3, 
and got the same message:


Someone has made the intelligent suggestion to me (strangely 
off-list) that you may have pressed the Fn key which appears on the 
restricted keyboards of some laptops instead of typing the letters 
fn.  That also wouldn't work: by itself, that key does nothing.


Oh, and if you have one of those keyboards, you probably do need to 
hold down the Fn key in order to make the F3 key do its job afterwards!


Indeed, if you have (mis)interpreted the instructions as meaning that 
you should hold down the Fn key and then press F3, the error message 
you quote is exactly what you would see.  On this type of keyboard, 
you need to type f, type n, and then hold down the Fn key whilst 
pressing F3.


Brian Barker



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