Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
On 02/29/2016 11:18 AM, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote: > The unique possibility to SyncPOP instead of IMAP is an interesting > proposal. > I would feel far more secure if Thunderbird directly re-aligned itself > on different machines I use then have it floating out on the web. > If LibreOffice where to take control of Thunderbird, would it be able > to become part of an overall system to legitimize document sharing in > both e-mail client and documents? To have synced POP, you'd need all devices to sync with each other. Given that many are only on part time, that would be a real task. You'd need a server somewhere to manage it. Perhaps an IMAP server? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
On 2/29/2016 11:18 AM, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote: > The unique possibility to SyncPOP instead of IMAP is an interesting > proposal. No, it isn't... assuming that by 'SyncPOP' you mean the broken POP feature where you can 'leave messages on the server'. If that isn't what you mean, then you'll have to elaborate. > I would feel far more secure if Thunderbird directly re-aligned itself > on different machines I use then have it floating out on the web. No clue what 'realign' means here. Do you mean 'sync'? If so, then that is precisely what IMAP provides. If you don't want to rely on some third party to host your mail, then run your own IMAP server. > If LibreOffice where to take control of Thunderbird, would it be able to > become part of an overall system to legitimize document sharing in both > e-mail client and documents? This sounds like a broken way to refer to a groupware server. I would love for SOGo to adding some real Groupware capabilities, like file sharing, collaboration, etc. But again, Thunderbird is a CLIENT. You are talking about SERVER features, and NO, Thunderbird will NEVER become a full blown mail SERVER. Why reinvent the wheel? We already have dovecot (and a few others, Cyrus is good, Courier is old and on the way out, no clue about UW-IMAP)... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
On 2/28/2016 11:36 AM, James Knott wrote: On 02/28/2016 11:21 AM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: The only thing about Thunderbird, for me right now, was the "chore" it was to to switch systems when the one it was on, since 2010, is now down for repairs. It was not geared for syncing your email between two or more systems - i.e. desktop, laptop, and maybe tablet - according to everything I have read. Then you're using the wrong protocol. If you are using POP, you will not have syncing between systems. If you use IMAP, you will. With IMAP, the messages, including sent email, are retained on the server, where any device or app can access them. I have two computers, with my choice of Linux, Windows 7 or Windows 10, a tablet and smart phone. All of them have access to all my email. The unique possibility to SyncPOP instead of IMAP is an interesting proposal. I would feel far more secure if Thunderbird directly re-aligned itself on different machines I use then have it floating out on the web. If LibreOffice where to take control of Thunderbird, would it be able to become part of an overall system to legitimize document sharing in both e-mail client and documents? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
On 2/28/2016 1:58 PM, Ken Springer wrote: > On 2/28/16 9:40 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 2/28/2016 11:21 AM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster >> wrote: >>> The only thing about Thunderbird, for me right now, was the "chore" it >>> was to to switch systems when the one it was on, since 2010, is now down >>> for repairs. >> That is simple - you just copy the %appdata%\Thunderbird (on Windows) >> folder to the new system. > If you're using Windows. And if the two platforms are different, you > may break an add-on. Good point... so you break an Addon. The fact that you can move a profile from one platform to another and have everything mostly just work is pretty cool, and something most programs can't even come close to doing... And if you're using Outlook the Windows version is completely incompatible with the Mac version... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
On 2/28/2016 11:21 AM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: > The only thing about Thunderbird, for me right now, was the "chore" it > was to to switch systems when the one it was on, since 2010, is now down > for repairs. That is simple - you just copy the %appdata%\Thunderbird (on Windows) folder to the new system. > It was not geared for syncing your email between two or > more systems - i.e. desktop, laptop, and maybe tablet - according to > everything I have read. No fat (desktop) email client is designed to do that. That is what IMAP is for. When using IMAP, starting from scratch, is simple (just add the accounts back in), and as long as you use IMAP on all systems, mail is always in sync, because all changes happen server side. > I do not really think we should to bundle Thunderbird with LibreOffice, Agreed, it should always be a separate install... One question I have is, in what way(s) could or should TB better integrate with Libreoffice, other than maybe a simple (e)mail merge function? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
On 02/28/2016 11:21 AM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: > The only thing about Thunderbird, for me right now, was the "chore" it > was to to switch systems when the one it was on, since 2010, is now > down for repairs. It was not geared for syncing your email between > two or more systems - i.e. desktop, laptop, and maybe tablet - > according to everything I have read. Then you're using the wrong protocol. If you are using POP, you will not have syncing between systems. If you use IMAP, you will. With IMAP, the messages, including sent email, are retained on the server, where any device or app can access them. I have two computers, with my choice of Linux, Windows 7 or Windows 10, a tablet and smart phone. All of them have access to all my email. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
I have not been following this discussion, BUT from a guy who is typing this comment using Thunderbird, having been using it for years. . . The only thing about Thunderbird, for me right now, was the "chore" it was to to switch systems when the one it was on, since 2010, is now down for repairs. It was not geared for syncing your email between two or more systems - i.e. desktop, laptop, and maybe tablet - according to everything I have read. I really like Thunderbird, other than that, and have been using it since I was still using my original WinXP system when MS's personal email package "failed". Now I have been using it on a Ubuntu system - desktop then laptop. I do not really think we should to bundle Thunderbird with LibreOffice, but we may be able to promote Thunderbird as a "partner software" especially on Windows systems. I know that Windows want us to use their packages. If we promoted Thunderbird on Windows systems, since Linux systems, mostly[?], installs Thunderbird as the default email client. MS Office became really bloated early, with packages that was what they thought users need other than what LibreOffice currently installs. LO has done a really good job with what is included. I really do not want to include other opensource packages, other than maybe extension resources. Do we want to commit to adding an email package to what LO developers need to work on, or a package like Inkscape? Others have produced packages like those, and more, that we should not add in LO's installation bundle. MS wanted to control every package that a user, personal or business, that MS determined they must have. So far LibreOffice has not gone that way. For me, I rarely need to use Draw, Impress, Math, or Base. If we add an email package to LO's installation, what would be next that others might want to be included with LO? What other package others want our developers to add to their limited development time? We do not have the resources of a paid software company. We should stick with LibreOffice's needs. On the "promotion" of other opensource package, LO could do that. We could have a web page with other packages that "may" be useful to the users. Those could be packages like Thunderbird and other packages that may complement LO that would help users in personal and professional work. That would allow a user[s] to choose what additional packages to download and use, instead include them within a single download file. We currently have language options for interface and help installs, and not require users to download ones that they do not want to use, or at least for non-Windows installs. Let LibreOffice be its current configuration and not add packages. Should we support other opensource package. Yes, but in a way[s] that does not require LO people to develop it. On 02/28/2016 09:54 AM, Peter Maunder wrote: Hi Tom, We use both LibreOffice and Thunderbird running under Linux-Mint. I have been concerned about the future of Thunderbird since the Mozilla statement concerning the future of the software. I am delighted that The Document Foundation is considering bringing TB under its wing, thoroughly support this aim and have the following brief comments. 1) We should not change the name, as this will lead to confusion. I still have problems with my users confusing LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org. Some of them still call LibreOffice OpenOffice although they have been usingLibO for some time. 2) Thunderbird is cross system and runs under Linux, Windows and MacOS, just like LibO. 3) LibO supports the Mozilla Personas/Theme function, but the operational interface of LibO leaves a great deal to be desired. Perhaps we could import the user interface of Thunderbird Personas Plus to LibO to fix this lack. We could thus manage the header/footer loock consistently across the products. Anyway, I wish the project every success Peter -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Thunderbird-potential-as-the-official-default-email-client-for-LO-Re-board-discuss-BoD-decision-from5-tp4176683p4176856.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
