Re: [libreoffice-users] crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!

[Tom Cloyd]

Followup - More progress. I've extracted a single sheet from the 
document which reproduces this problem perfectly. I'm now working my way 
toward filing a bug report. Seems like the thing to do, yes?


Tom

On 05/01/2014 08:45 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Magic! :)  I hope it does help!  Let us know how it goes
Regards from
Tom :)


On 1 May 2014 15:41, Tom Cloyd > wrote:


Tom -

Thank you! Such useful info. Going into my LO notes for sure. All
of it. It's very like to help me in a variety of ways.

I appreciate much your taking the time to write such a lengthy and
detailed response.

Tom C.


On 05/01/2014 04:33 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
+1
To clarify:  the higher that 3rd digit the more stable the
release is (that
is a bit of a simplification but it kinda works well).

So if stability is the main issue then the 4.1.6 is better
than the 4.2.1.
  The 1st and 2nd digits say more about features and advances in
compatibility with MSO formats but "you can't make an omelet
without
breaking eggs" and the new features can sometimes cause
unexpected problems
on some real-world machines.  Testing can only go so far.  So
i tend to try
to get the highest 1st and 2nd digits for myself but give all
my colleagues
the highest 3rd digit i can reasonably manage (without
breaking a sweat).


Usual causes of crashing is an unstable version of Java.  All
versions
become unstable quite quickly, often even before release.  If
you have to
use Java try to keep updating it at least monthly.  Mostly we
steer well
away from using Java if at all possible.  It is now highly
unlikely that
you'll ever need Java active in LibreOffice so switch it off in LO
Tools - Options - Advanced/Java
and untick the box that asks if you want to use java.  If LO
grumbles at
some point then you can always switch it on for that task and
hopefully
switch off again afterwards.  The only exception is if you are
using
Accessibility tools such as screen-readers or if you are using
Base with
the internal back-end.

Another cause is low settings in "Memory"
Tools - Options - Memory
and just ramp everything right up.  The defaults are set for
machines with
low Ram.

Hopefully that helps a bit?  i thought we had already gone
through these
options so if it's still happening there is probably some
other issue.  I'm
just hoping that some of the above was unclear before.
Regards form
Tom :)




On 1 May 2014 11:00, Tanstaafl mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org>> wrote:

On 4/29/2014 6:21 PM, Tom Cloyd mailto:tomcloydm...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Everyday, I organize my life around two large LO
spreadsheets. I'm
running ver. 4.2.1.1.

Since the last major update (ver. 4.2.1?), my day
begins with a serious
of crashes - only after I save both sheets
(separately, of course) 6-12
times, each time after some small operation, do they
get stable.
Usually. Mostly. Except when they aren't.

I'm doing wild, exotic things like moving rows around,
and inserting
rows, or filling in columns with data copied from
other columns.

I'm SO ready for the next version.

Anyone have a clue when it's due to land?

4.2.3 is the current release version.

Why do you think that 4.2.1 is current?

4.2.4 will be released very soon though.

Or you could always roll back to 4.1.6 (prior stable branch).

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Re: [libreoffice-users] crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!

[Tom Cloyd]

Progress report:

I've installed Version: 4.2.3.3, Build ID: 
882f8a0a489bc99a9e60c7905a60226254cb6ff0


I've had 5 "vector::_M_range_check" crashes in a row, in one of my large 
multi-sheet spreadsheet documents. What I'm trying to do that's causing 
the crashes is delete about 10 rows in a sheet. Nothing more.


This error is the phantom that's been haunting me for weeks. Usually, if 
I never do two significant things to a sheet without saving between 
them, I can avoid the crash. When that doesn't work, I try deleting 
columns and replacing them with columns from other sheets. Somehow, this 
will ultimately get me to a point the crashes stop...until the next day, 
when it starts all over again.


I'm still working with the sheet to try to move it along. I have little 
choice. The sheet is that important.


t.

On 05/01/2014 08:45 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Magic! :)  I hope it does help!  Let us know how it goes
Regards from
Tom :)


On 1 May 2014 15:41, Tom Cloyd > wrote:


Tom -

Thank you! Such useful info. Going into my LO notes for sure. All
of it. It's very like to help me in a variety of ways.

I appreciate much your taking the time to write such a lengthy and
detailed response.

Tom C.


On 05/01/2014 04:33 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
+1
To clarify:  the higher that 3rd digit the more stable the
release is (that
is a bit of a simplification but it kinda works well).

So if stability is the main issue then the 4.1.6 is better
than the 4.2.1.
  The 1st and 2nd digits say more about features and advances in
compatibility with MSO formats but "you can't make an omelet
without
breaking eggs" and the new features can sometimes cause
unexpected problems
on some real-world machines.  Testing can only go so far.  So
i tend to try
to get the highest 1st and 2nd digits for myself but give all
my colleagues
the highest 3rd digit i can reasonably manage (without
breaking a sweat).


Usual causes of crashing is an unstable version of Java.  All
versions
become unstable quite quickly, often even before release.  If
you have to
use Java try to keep updating it at least monthly.  Mostly we
steer well
away from using Java if at all possible.  It is now highly
unlikely that
you'll ever need Java active in LibreOffice so switch it off in LO
Tools - Options - Advanced/Java
and untick the box that asks if you want to use java.  If LO
grumbles at
some point then you can always switch it on for that task and
hopefully
switch off again afterwards.  The only exception is if you are
using
Accessibility tools such as screen-readers or if you are using
Base with
the internal back-end.

Another cause is low settings in "Memory"
Tools - Options - Memory
and just ramp everything right up.  The defaults are set for
machines with
low Ram.

Hopefully that helps a bit?  i thought we had already gone
through these
options so if it's still happening there is probably some
other issue.  I'm
just hoping that some of the above was unclear before.
Regards form
Tom :)




On 1 May 2014 11:00, Tanstaafl mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org>> wrote:

On 4/29/2014 6:21 PM, Tom Cloyd mailto:tomcloydm...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Everyday, I organize my life around two large LO
spreadsheets. I'm
running ver. 4.2.1.1.

Since the last major update (ver. 4.2.1?), my day
begins with a serious
of crashes - only after I save both sheets
(separately, of course) 6-12
times, each time after some small operation, do they
get stable.
Usually. Mostly. Except when they aren't.

I'm doing wild, exotic things like moving rows around,
and inserting
rows, or filling in columns with data copied from
other columns.

I'm SO ready for the next version.

Anyone have a clue when it's due to land?

4.2.3 is the current release version.

Why do you think that 4.2.1 is current?

4.2.4 will be released very soon though.

Or you could always roll back to 4.1.6 (prior stable branch).

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Re: [libreoffice-users] crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Ahh, yeh.  The check for updates is probably checking the repos of your
distro then or not really checking at all!  Sorry about that!  It does work
if you do get the version from your package manager but i only do that on
machines that are difficult for me to reach.
Apols and regards from
Tom :)


On 1 May 2014 15:39, Tom Cloyd  wrote:

> On 05/01/2014 04:00 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>> On 4/29/2014 6:21 PM, Tom Cloyd  wrote:
>>
>>> Everyday, I organize my life around two large LO spreadsheets. I'm
>>> running ver. 4.2.1.1.
>>>
>>> Since the last major update (ver. 4.2.1?), my day begins with a serious
>>> of crashes - only after I save both sheets (separately, of course) 6-12
>>> times, each time after some small operation, do they get stable.
>>> Usually. Mostly. Except when they aren't.
>>>
>>> I'm doing wild, exotic things like moving rows around, and inserting
>>> rows, or filling in columns with data copied from other columns.
>>>
>>> I'm SO ready for the next version.
>>>
>>> Anyone have a clue when it's due to land?
>>>
>>
>> 4.2.3 is the current release version.
>>
>> Why do you think that 4.2.1 is current?
>>
> [...]
>
> Thanks for your ideas.
>
> My LO is always downloaded from the LO site, not the kubuntu packages. I'm
> currently running 4.2.1.1. When I check for updates via Help > Check for
> updates, I'm told that "LibreOffice 4.2 is up to date."
>
> That 4.2.3 is out and available is news to me. I'm downloading it right
> now.
>
> t.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!

[Tom Cloyd]

On 05/01/2014 04:00 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 4/29/2014 6:21 PM, Tom Cloyd  wrote:

Everyday, I organize my life around two large LO spreadsheets. I'm
running ver. 4.2.1.1.

Since the last major update (ver. 4.2.1?), my day begins with a serious
of crashes - only after I save both sheets (separately, of course) 6-12
times, each time after some small operation, do they get stable.
Usually. Mostly. Except when they aren't.

I'm doing wild, exotic things like moving rows around, and inserting
rows, or filling in columns with data copied from other columns.

I'm SO ready for the next version.

Anyone have a clue when it's due to land?


4.2.3 is the current release version.

Why do you think that 4.2.1 is current?

[...]

Thanks for your ideas.

My LO is always downloaded from the LO site, not the kubuntu packages. 
I'm currently running 4.2.1.1. When I check for updates via Help > Check 
for updates, I'm told that "LibreOffice 4.2 is up to date."


That 4.2.3 is out and available is news to me. I'm downloading it right now.

t.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
To clarify:  the higher that 3rd digit the more stable the release is (that
is a bit of a simplification but it kinda works well).

So if stability is the main issue then the 4.1.6 is better than the 4.2.1.
 The 1st and 2nd digits say more about features and advances in
compatibility with MSO formats but "you can't make an omelet without
breaking eggs" and the new features can sometimes cause unexpected problems
on some real-world machines.  Testing can only go so far.  So i tend to try
to get the highest 1st and 2nd digits for myself but give all my colleagues
the highest 3rd digit i can reasonably manage (without breaking a sweat).


Usual causes of crashing is an unstable version of Java.  All versions
become unstable quite quickly, often even before release.  If you have to
use Java try to keep updating it at least monthly.  Mostly we steer well
away from using Java if at all possible.  It is now highly unlikely that
you'll ever need Java active in LibreOffice so switch it off in LO
Tools - Options - Advanced/Java
and untick the box that asks if you want to use java.  If LO grumbles at
some point then you can always switch it on for that task and hopefully
switch off again afterwards.  The only exception is if you are using
Accessibility tools such as screen-readers or if you are using Base with
the internal back-end.

Another cause is low settings in "Memory"
Tools - Options - Memory
and just ramp everything right up.  The defaults are set for machines with
low Ram.

Hopefully that helps a bit?  i thought we had already gone through these
options so if it's still happening there is probably some other issue.  I'm
just hoping that some of the above was unclear before.
Regards form
Tom :)




On 1 May 2014 11:00, Tanstaafl  wrote:

> On 4/29/2014 6:21 PM, Tom Cloyd  wrote:
>
>> Everyday, I organize my life around two large LO spreadsheets. I'm
>> running ver. 4.2.1.1.
>>
>> Since the last major update (ver. 4.2.1?), my day begins with a serious
>> of crashes - only after I save both sheets (separately, of course) 6-12
>> times, each time after some small operation, do they get stable.
>> Usually. Mostly. Except when they aren't.
>>
>> I'm doing wild, exotic things like moving rows around, and inserting
>> rows, or filling in columns with data copied from other columns.
>>
>> I'm SO ready for the next version.
>>
>> Anyone have a clue when it's due to land?
>>
>
> 4.2.3 is the current release version.
>
> Why do you think that 4.2.1 is current?
>
> 4.2.4 will be released very soon though.
>
> Or you could always roll back to 4.1.6 (prior stable branch).
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!

[Tanstaafl]

On 4/29/2014 6:21 PM, Tom Cloyd  wrote:

Everyday, I organize my life around two large LO spreadsheets. I'm
running ver. 4.2.1.1.

Since the last major update (ver. 4.2.1?), my day begins with a serious
of crashes - only after I save both sheets (separately, of course) 6-12
times, each time after some small operation, do they get stable.
Usually. Mostly. Except when they aren't.

I'm doing wild, exotic things like moving rows around, and inserting
rows, or filling in columns with data copied from other columns.

I'm SO ready for the next version.

Anyone have a clue when it's due to land?


4.2.3 is the current release version.

Why do you think that 4.2.1 is current?

4.2.4 will be released very soon though.

Or you could always roll back to 4.1.6 (prior stable branch).

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