Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
wow, this is getting racist, OP, please delete this whole thread if possible. James is no white, he is one stupid Indian (at least from his last name) who does not understand the value of Open Source. And the simple fact that the docs here are purely a reference guide with some exceptions. You just try out the directives if you are not sure and observe the output / end result and you will get there. There are so many things I still do not know in AWS but if there is a new requirement, the only place I visit is the Apache documentation. First try to help myself and if I have exhausted my options, ask the community for help. One of my ex-Manager was of the same opinion as James - would always butt-head with me about Open Source and try to shoot down every Open source proposal I had. Like James argued that poor documentation implied having to pay for support / consulting. So it is not truly free. If at all you need support, then why not pay!? Don't you pay 20% of the license fee for annual support for all your existing Enterprise products. You save the huge up-front license fee for unlimited installations, processors, servers, sites going with open source s/w so can't you shell out at least support dollars. I just don't get that argument. But at least having a rock stable Apache 1.x, 2.0.x, and currently 2.2.x, and Suse Linux 8,9,10 for the last 7-8 years w/o having to pay a dime has silenced him and other nay sayers in my org. Anyway, coming from India, a nation of many million programmers and IT folks, but has hardly made a serious original contribution to the open source community (or to IT in general), I had to chyme in and let the entire open source community know that how heck of a job you all are doing expecting very little to nothing in return and enduring personal time and sacrifice and how much your efforts are appreciated around the world. You all are my role models. -Jigs From: Vincent Jong megaspaz...@gmail.com To: users@httpd.apache.org Date: 07/28/2010 09:45 AM Subject: Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers Heck no. I got lucky that I'm not white, so I got in with affirmative action... Did you get hired because of the Americans with Disabilities Act? If so, that's cool too... I guess not being able to read is a disability... On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:40 AM, James Godrej jamesgod...@yahoo.in wrote: From: Vincent Jong megaspaz...@gmail.com To: users@httpd.apache.org Sent: Wed, 28 July, 2010 10:01:36 PM Subject: Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers How the heck did you get hired on as a sysadmin? :-/ so do u think u shld have been hired ? -- AFM #998 If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now...
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
No to be honest this is the way you earn your money.If people would do what they are trying to so easily how are the open source companies going to earn tonnes of money on the name of support and generate revenue out of it. Either there's a conspiracy or you're too lazy/stupid to read the technical documentation. Thanks for the laugh! -- Eric Covener cove...@gmail.com - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@httpd.apache.org from the digest: users-digest-unsubscr...@httpd.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@httpd.apache.org
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
Let me set you straight on a few things. 1) I've been working on the Apache HTTPD documentation for ten years now, and have never been paid a cent for it. To imply that we intentionally write bad documentation so that we'll earn more money in customer support ventures is *PROFOUNDLY* insulting. Having devoted a decade of my life to this effort, I find your implication to be a personal affront. 2) The specific doc that you are criticizing has an example in it. It is VERY specific, and the only way to miss it is to not read it. And, most importantly: 3) If you have SPECIFIC suggestions for the improvement of the HTTPD documentation please move this discussion over to the d...@httpd.apache.org mailing list and give them there. This is not really the venue for it, particularly when all you are offering is vague you suck kinds of complaints. You have received the answer to your initial question. If you have others, please ask them. Please consider this particular branch of the conversation completed. On Jul 28, 2010, at 12:50 AM, James Godrej wrote: From: Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com To: users@httpd.apache.org However, we do assume that readers of the documentation have some grasp of Apache configuration files, There in lies your problem. Or, said differently, it's impossible to provide every possible example configuration, and so we assume that our readers are able to generalize. An inability to generalize documentation examples tends to lead to support situations where you're holding someone's hand through every configuration change, which is something we'd quite frankly like to avoid. No to be honest this is the way you earn your money.If people would do what they are trying to so easily how are the open source companies going to earn tonnes of money on the name of support and generate revenue out of it. -- Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
There is nothing to laugh in it. Support is how Open Source companies earn their money from. If some where you get a document which makes life easy why would some one pay the money to support. More than 70% of documentations on internet is written by some vague person calling themselves to be an expert. You read that go through it step by step then you find at some step it failed you Google and then you try another non sense blog or what ever and lo Gah!!! you again failed.You thoroughly rubbed your shoulders read the Guides tutorials and then you find that things are not working. At least in a proprietary software you are assured that such hassles will not be a part of your life. Some one is there to take care and understand the plight of end user. When some one tells that Documentation is not proper then people cry. If you actually want to write a clear document then ask some one who used Apache for the first time to read your document and do step by step what is mentioned if they could do your doc is good else its useless. From: Eric Covener cove...@gmail.com Either there's a conspiracy or you're too lazy/stupid to read the technical documentation. Thanks for the laugh!
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
Funny... I learned how to administer apache by reading the docs... So do you want to hear an opinion of someone that used apache for the first time reading the docs? You probably don't since I'm sure your insurance won't pay for another wahmbulance trip to butt hurt hospital. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:06 AM, James Godrej jamesgod...@yahoo.in wrote: There is nothing to laugh in it. Support is how Open Source companies earn their money from. If some where you get a document which makes life easy why would some one pay the money to support. More than 70% of documentations on internet is written by some vague person calling themselves to be an expert. You read that go through it step by step then you find at some step it failed you Google and then you try another non sense blog or what ever and lo Gah!!! you again failed.You thoroughly rubbed your shoulders read the Guides tutorials and then you find that things are not working. At least in a proprietary software you are assured that such hassles will not be a part of your life. Some one is there to take care and understand the plight of end user. When some one tells that Documentation is not proper then people cry. If you actually want to write a clear document then ask some one who used Apache for the first time to read your document and do step by step what is mentioned if they could do your doc is good else its useless. -- *From:* Eric Covener cove...@gmail.com * *Either there's a conspiracy or you're too lazy/stupid to read the technical documentation. Thanks for the laugh! -- AFM #998 If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now...
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
On 07/28/2010 12:06 PM, James Godrej wrote: There is nothing to laugh in it. Support is how Open Source companies earn their money from. If some where you get a document which makes life easy why would some one pay the money to support. More than 70% of documentations on internet is written by some vague person calling themselves to be an expert. You read that go through it step by step then you find at some step it failed you Google and then you try another non sense blog or what ever and lo Gah!!! you again failed.You thoroughly rubbed your shoulders read the Guides tutorials and then you find that things are not working. At least in a proprietary software you are assured that such hassles will not be a part of your life. Some one is there to take care and understand the plight of end user. When some one tells that Documentation is not proper then people cry. If you actually want to write a clear document then ask some one who used Apache for the first time to read your document and do step by step what is mentioned if they could do your doc is good else its useless. *From:* Eric Covener cove...@gmail.com * *Either there's a conspiracy or you're too lazy/stupid to read the technical documentation. Thanks for the laugh! James, Please see Rich's response earlier. Your negative criticism is not leading anywhere, and I can guarantee you that the documentation is perfectly fine for the majority of new and experienced users. As I stated before, we are welcome to positive suggestions if you feel that any part of the docs is unclear. However, do remember that the official documentation is not meant to be read as a how-to, but rather as a technical reference with simple examples for most sections. Frank. - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@httpd.apache.org from the digest: users-digest-unsubscr...@httpd.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@httpd.apache.org
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
What ever you feel I don't care.As an end user I do not like the document. Its not easy to understand. For an example some one goes to high school to learn programming in C. There rather than telling them how to write a Hello World program. You give the child a document of 2000 pages which is containing references to system calls like 1)ioctl 2)KERN_ALERT 3)int 4) printf() 5) jiffy 6) O_WRITE etc etc and in front of each of the above lines you describe what is the value of above 5 example parameters. As int is used to declare an integer type ioctl communicates with devices KERNL_ALERT is used to give alert to kernel I gave the above just as an example there are 2000 pages. The poor child reads all those 2000 pages and when he asks the question how to write program Hello World he is slapped by a community of Open Souce experts. Like you are just now crying. I will suggest you delete all the documentation it is not needed. There are a lot of Good guides etc etc type of non sense on internet in form of forums IRC's and some Linux consultants who earn their bread and butter like that. Leave that part to them. I don't care if your documentation is not proper this community exist that itself is the greatest proof that even after reading docs people are unable to get their things working.
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
If you actually want to write a clear document then ask some one who used Apache for the first time to read your document and do step by step what is mentioned if they could do your doc is good else its useless. It's a technical reference, not a step by step guide. How do you do the documentation? If you can't read and understand technical documentation, ask an intelligent question and maybe someone will volunteer to hold your hand. -- Eric Covener cove...@gmail.com - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@httpd.apache.org from the digest: users-digest-unsubscr...@httpd.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@httpd.apache.org
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
However, do remember that the official documentation is not meant to be read as a how-to, but rather as a technical reference with simple examples for most sections. Frank. Whose grand pa will write that.Do u even understand the plight of sys admin. Who has a boss who wont listen to urshit excuses.
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
I will suggest you delete all the documentation it is not needed. There are a lot of Good guides etc etc type of non sense on internet in form of forums IRC's It's for the literate. -- Eric Covener cove...@gmail.com - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@httpd.apache.org from the digest: users-digest-unsubscr...@httpd.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@httpd.apache.org
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
Please don't feed the troll. -- Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@httpd.apache.org from the digest: users-digest-unsubscr...@httpd.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@httpd.apache.org
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
How the heck did you get hired on as a sysadmin? :-/ On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:29 AM, James Godrej jamesgod...@yahoo.in wrote: However, do remember that the official documentation is not meant to be read as a how-to, but rather as a technical reference with simple examples for most sections. Frank. Whose grand pa will write that.Do u even understand the plight of sys admin. Who has a boss who wont listen to urshit excuses. -- AFM #998 If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now...
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
From: Vincent Jong megaspaz...@gmail.com To: users@httpd.apache.org Sent: Wed, 28 July, 2010 10:01:36 PM Subject: Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers How the heck did you get hired on as a sysadmin? :-/ so do u think u shld have been hired ?
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
Heck no. I got lucky that I'm not white, so I got in with affirmative action... Did you get hired because of the Americans with Disabilities Act? If so, that's cool too... I guess not being able to read is a disability... On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:40 AM, James Godrej jamesgod...@yahoo.in wrote: -- *From:* Vincent Jong megaspaz...@gmail.com *To:* users@httpd.apache.org *Sent:* Wed, 28 July, 2010 10:01:36 PM *Subject:* Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers How the heck did you get hired on as a sysadmin? :-/ so do u think u shld have been hired ? -- AFM #998 If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now...
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
You call Description:Information provided in the Via HTTP response header for proxied requests Syntax:ProxyVia On|Off|Full|Block Default:ProxyVia Off Context:server config, virtual host Status:Extension Module:mod_proxy This directive controls the use of the Via: HTTP header by the proxy. Its intended use is to control the flow of of proxy requests along a chain of proxy servers. See RFC 2616 (HTTP/1.1), section 14.45 for an explanation of Via: header lines. * If set to Off, which is the default, no special processing is performed. If a request or reply contains a Via: header, it is passed through unchanged. * If set to On, each request and reply will get a Via: header line added for the current host. * If set to Full, each generated Via: header line will additionally have the Apache server version shown as a Via: comment field. * If set to Block, every proxy request will have all its Via: header lines removed. No new Via: header will be generated As example. You need to go back to school and Apache documentation needs serious updates. For non serious people such a documentation is ok.
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
On 07/27/2010 12:01 PM, James Godrej wrote: You call Description: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/directive-dict.html#Description Information provided in the |Via| HTTP response header for proxied requests Syntax: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/directive-dict.html#Syntax |ProxyVia On|Off|Full|Block| Default: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/directive-dict.html#Default |ProxyVia Off| Context: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/directive-dict.html#Context server config, virtual host Status: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/directive-dict.html#Status Extension Module: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/directive-dict.html#Module mod_proxy This directive controls the use of the |Via:| HTTP header by the proxy. Its intended use is to control the flow of of proxy requests along a chain of proxy servers. See RFC 2616 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.txt (HTTP/1.1), section 14.45 for an explanation of |Via:| header lines. * If set to |Off|, which is the default, no special processing is performed. If a request or reply contains a |Via:| header, it is passed through unchanged. * If set to |On|, each request and reply will get a |Via:| header line added for the current host. * If set to |Full|, each generated |Via:| header line will additionally have the Apache server version shown as a |Via:| comment field. * If set to |Block|, every proxy request will have all its |Via:| header lines removed. No new |Via:| header will be generated As example. You need to go back to school and Apache documentation needs serious updates. For non serious people such a documentation is ok. James, If you have corrections you'd like to suggest, we'll gladly merge them in. Thanks. Frank. - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@httpd.apache.org from the digest: users-digest-unsubscr...@httpd.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@httpd.apache.org
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
On Jul 27, 2010, at 12:01 PM, James Godrej wrote: You need to go back to school and Apache documentation needs serious updates. For non serious people such a documentation is ok. James, We're always very welcoming of new contributors on the Apache documentation mailing list. While we acknowledge that updates are always in order, your remark isn't exactly helpful, because it doesn't suggest what, specifically, you find to be problematic with the referenced document. The example given is: ProxyVia Off That's the entirety of the example, because that's the full usage of the directive. The document goes on to explain that possible settings, other than Off, include On, Full, and Block. Itemizing each of these as separate examples, we could presumably say: ProxyVia On - or - ProxyVia Full - or - ProxyVua Block However, we do assume that readers of the documentation have some grasp of Apache configuration files, and can tell from the one example, and the itemized list of alternative values, what the directive would look like with each of the other possible settings. Or, said differently, it's impossible to provide every possible example configuration, and so we assume that our readers are able to generalize. An inability to generalize documentation examples tends to lead to support situations where you're holding someone's hand through every configuration change, which is something we'd quite frankly like to avoid. However, if you'd like to submit changes to the documentation, please feel free to do so. We prefer that diffs be against the 2.2 or trunk docs, rather than against 2.0, which is no longer the recommended version of our product. Thanks. -- Rich Bowen rbo...@apache.org
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
From: Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com To: users@httpd.apache.org However, we do assume that readers of the documentation have some grasp of Apache configuration files, There in lies your problem. Or, said differently, it's impossible to provide every possible example configuration, and so we assume that our readers are able to generalize. An inability to generalize documentation examples tends to lead to support situations where you're holding someone's hand through every configuration change, which is something we'd quite frankly like to avoid. No to be honest this is the way you earn your money.If people would do what they are trying to so easily how are the open source companies going to earn tonnes of money on the name of support and generate revenue out of it.
Re: [us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
On 15.07.10 19:29, James Godrej wrote: I am looking for an example of use of Proxvia directive given here http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_proxy.html#proxyvia the example is just there. What more you want? -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Linux - It's now safe to turn on your computer. Linux - Teraz mozete pocitac bez obav zapnut. - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@httpd.apache.org from the digest: users-digest-unsubscr...@httpd.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@httpd.apache.org
[us...@httpd] a chain of proxy servers
I am looking for an example of use of Proxvia directive given herehttp://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_proxy.html#proxyvia
