Re: Apache Isis slack channel

[Dan Haywood]

OK, I've created a page on our Wiki [1] that goes through the self-service
steps to join the Slack channel

[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ISIS/Signing+up+to+Slack




On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 11:14, Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / HAM GI-DP <
joerg.r...@kuehne-nagel.com> wrote:

> Test (Tab: Slack) [1] is green and my profile is loaded, but clicking
> 'Launch' (upper right) gives an error page [2] as well as clicking 'Back to
> Slack' or 'Reload Slack'.
> Test (Tab: Calls) show problems with UDP, Relay Connectivity (eventually
> due to the proxy using 'SSL inspection').
>
> I have no clue how to join channel #apache-isis. The help page [3]
> references a plus icon (+) which I can't find on my browser (Chrome).
> -j
>
> [1] https://the-asf.slack.com/help/test
> [2]
> https://app.slack.com/client/T4S1WH2J3?cdn_fallback=2_cold_boot=1
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Dan Haywood [mailto:d...@haywood-associates.co.uk]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Dezember 2019 10:18
> An: users
> Betreff: Re: Apache Isis slack channel
>
> Just doing some experiments here, turns out that there is a self-service
> link [1]  so anyone can join the #apache-isis channel.
>
> @Joerg or @Brian - perhaps you could try it out.  I've just done it with
> Nino, one of the guys in our team, so it is doable.  But perhaps you could
> take some screenshots as you go so that we can put together a quick page on
> the website also?
>
> Thx
> Dan
>
> [1]  https://s.apache.org/slack-invite 
>
>
>
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 10:12, Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / HAM GI-DP <
> joerg.r...@kuehne-nagel.com> wrote:
>
> > If it's easier to maintain/setup, I (probably) can live with lower
> > usability.
> > -j
> >
> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> > Von: Dan Haywood [mailto:d...@haywood-associates.co.uk]
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Dezember 2019 09:58
> > An: users
> > Betreff: Re: Apache Isis slack channel
> >
> > Hmm, Brian raises a very good point, though ... this is to improve
> > accessibility as well as transparency.  So if it's not easy for folks to
> > get onto the ASF slack, we probably need a different approach.
> >
> > I've never heard of Matrix, but a poke around their site shows a very
> > interesting product but not much in the way of integrations.
> >
> > I therefore think that gitter.im might be a better alternative.  I'm not
> > sure it's the best UI, but I know of several open source projects that
> are
> > using it (antora, datanucleus, vlingo) and a search shows a few other
> > Apache projects also on there (camel, airflow, ignite, Juneau).
> >
> > What do folks think?
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 09:18, Martin Grigorov 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Brian,
> > >
> > > The Apache Slack is not only for @apache.org people.
> > > If you are not an Apache committer then someone has to invite you.
> > > I just tried to invite you but it gives me an error (without message,
> so
> > I
> > > am not sure what is wrong).
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:24 AM Brian K 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think those of us without an Apache.org email need an invite to
> join
> > > that
> > > > slack team.  Have you considered Matrix (my preference) or Gitter to
> > open
> > > > it up?
> > > >
> > > > -Brian
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 11:21 AM Dan Haywood <
> > d...@haywood-associates.co.uk
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > As you are probably aware, Andi and I have been working for a good
> > > while
> > > > > now on Apache Isis v2.  We've tended to use a private Skype channel
> > to
> > > > > liaise on day-to-day stuff, and we've raised the occasional issue
> to
> > > the
> > > > > mailing list where it warranted further attention/opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > The immediacy of a messaging system such as Skype is great to get
> > stuff
> > > > > done, but it isn't the ASF way, and we should do better.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now about a year ago I created an #apache-isis channel on the ASF
> > slack
> > > > > workspace, but I didn't promote it and it hasn't been used.  So
> with
> > > > > immediate effect Andi and I, at least, are going to be using that
> > > channel
> > > > > for our ongoing discussions.  You will find it at [1]
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that none of this replaces the users@ and dev@ mailing lists
> as
> > > the
> > > > > official place where our community lives, and we'll continue to
> > > > "escalate"
> > > > > issues up to the mailing list as and when.  But - as other ASF
> > projects
> > > > do
> > > > > - having a Slack channel will hopefully make our framework more
> > > > accessible
> > > > > to would-be new users.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, hope to see some of you there!
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Dan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://the-asf.slack.com/archives/CFC42LWBV
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
> > Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, 

Re: Apache Isis slack channel

[Dan Haywood]

Just doing some experiments here, turns out that there is a self-service
link [1]  so anyone can join the #apache-isis channel.

@Joerg or @Brian - perhaps you could try it out.  I've just done it with
Nino, one of the guys in our team, so it is doable.  But perhaps you could
take some screenshots as you go so that we can put together a quick page on
the website also?

Thx
Dan

[1]  https://s.apache.org/slack-invite 



On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 10:12, Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / HAM GI-DP <
joerg.r...@kuehne-nagel.com> wrote:

> If it's easier to maintain/setup, I (probably) can live with lower
> usability.
> -j
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Dan Haywood [mailto:d...@haywood-associates.co.uk]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Dezember 2019 09:58
> An: users
> Betreff: Re: Apache Isis slack channel
>
> Hmm, Brian raises a very good point, though ... this is to improve
> accessibility as well as transparency.  So if it's not easy for folks to
> get onto the ASF slack, we probably need a different approach.
>
> I've never heard of Matrix, but a poke around their site shows a very
> interesting product but not much in the way of integrations.
>
> I therefore think that gitter.im might be a better alternative.  I'm not
> sure it's the best UI, but I know of several open source projects that are
> using it (antora, datanucleus, vlingo) and a search shows a few other
> Apache projects also on there (camel, airflow, ignite, Juneau).
>
> What do folks think?
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 09:18, Martin Grigorov 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> > The Apache Slack is not only for @apache.org people.
> > If you are not an Apache committer then someone has to invite you.
> > I just tried to invite you but it gives me an error (without message, so
> I
> > am not sure what is wrong).
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:24 AM Brian K 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I think those of us without an Apache.org email need an invite to join
> > that
> > > slack team.  Have you considered Matrix (my preference) or Gitter to
> open
> > > it up?
> > >
> > > -Brian
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 11:21 AM Dan Haywood <
> d...@haywood-associates.co.uk
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > >
> > > > As you are probably aware, Andi and I have been working for a good
> > while
> > > > now on Apache Isis v2.  We've tended to use a private Skype channel
> to
> > > > liaise on day-to-day stuff, and we've raised the occasional issue to
> > the
> > > > mailing list where it warranted further attention/opinion.
> > > >
> > > > The immediacy of a messaging system such as Skype is great to get
> stuff
> > > > done, but it isn't the ASF way, and we should do better.
> > > >
> > > > Now about a year ago I created an #apache-isis channel on the ASF
> slack
> > > > workspace, but I didn't promote it and it hasn't been used.  So with
> > > > immediate effect Andi and I, at least, are going to be using that
> > channel
> > > > for our ongoing discussions.  You will find it at [1]
> > > >
> > > > Note that none of this replaces the users@ and dev@ mailing lists as
> > the
> > > > official place where our community lives, and we'll continue to
> > > "escalate"
> > > > issues up to the mailing list as and when.  But - as other ASF
> projects
> > > do
> > > > - having a Slack channel will hopefully make our framework more
> > > accessible
> > > > to would-be new users.
> > > >
> > > > So, hope to see some of you there!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://the-asf.slack.com/archives/CFC42LWBV
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> 812773878.
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> Brinkmann, Lars-Olof Grün, Matthias Knicky, Nicholas Minde, Johannes
> Trimborn, Lars Wedel, Matthias Weiner.
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> HGB) vom Gesetz ab, indem sie die Haftung bei multimodalen Transporten
> unter Einschluss einer Seebeförderung und bei unbekanntem Schadenort auf 2
> SZR/kg und im Übrigen die Regelhaftung von 8,33 SZR/kg zusätzlich auf 1,25
> Millionen Euro je Schadenfall sowie 2,5 Millionen Euro je Schadenereignis,
> mindestens aber 2 SZR/kg, beschränken. Die ADSp sind auf unserer Webseite
> als Download erhältlich. Auf Anfrage senden wir Ihnen diese auch gerne zu.
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AW: Apache Isis slack channel

[Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / HAM GI-DP]

If it's easier to maintain/setup, I (probably) can live with lower usability.
-j

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Dan Haywood [mailto:d...@haywood-associates.co.uk]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Dezember 2019 09:58
An: users
Betreff: Re: Apache Isis slack channel

Hmm, Brian raises a very good point, though ... this is to improve
accessibility as well as transparency.  So if it's not easy for folks to
get onto the ASF slack, we probably need a different approach.

I've never heard of Matrix, but a poke around their site shows a very
interesting product but not much in the way of integrations.

I therefore think that gitter.im might be a better alternative.  I'm not
sure it's the best UI, but I know of several open source projects that are
using it (antora, datanucleus, vlingo) and a search shows a few other
Apache projects also on there (camel, airflow, ignite, Juneau).

What do folks think?

Dan



On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 09:18, Martin Grigorov  wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> The Apache Slack is not only for @apache.org people.
> If you are not an Apache committer then someone has to invite you.
> I just tried to invite you but it gives me an error (without message, so I
> am not sure what is wrong).
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:24 AM Brian K  wrote:
>
> > I think those of us without an Apache.org email need an invite to join
> that
> > slack team.  Have you considered Matrix (my preference) or Gitter to open
> > it up?
> >
> > -Brian
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 11:21 AM Dan Haywood  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > As you are probably aware, Andi and I have been working for a good
> while
> > > now on Apache Isis v2.  We've tended to use a private Skype channel to
> > > liaise on day-to-day stuff, and we've raised the occasional issue to
> the
> > > mailing list where it warranted further attention/opinion.
> > >
> > > The immediacy of a messaging system such as Skype is great to get stuff
> > > done, but it isn't the ASF way, and we should do better.
> > >
> > > Now about a year ago I created an #apache-isis channel on the ASF slack
> > > workspace, but I didn't promote it and it hasn't been used.  So with
> > > immediate effect Andi and I, at least, are going to be using that
> channel
> > > for our ongoing discussions.  You will find it at [1]
> > >
> > > Note that none of this replaces the users@ and dev@ mailing lists as
> the
> > > official place where our community lives, and we'll continue to
> > "escalate"
> > > issues up to the mailing list as and when.  But - as other ASF projects
> > do
> > > - having a Slack channel will hopefully make our framework more
> > accessible
> > > to would-be new users.
> > >
> > > So, hope to see some of you there!
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] https://the-asf.slack.com/archives/CFC42LWBV
> > >
> >
>

Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, USt-IdNr.: DE 812773878.
Geschäftsleitung Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG: Holger Ketz (Vors. ), Martin 
Brinkmann, Lars-Olof Grün, Matthias Knicky, Nicholas Minde, Johannes Trimborn, 
Lars Wedel, Matthias Weiner.
Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel A.G., Rechtsform: 
Aktiengesellschaft nach luxemburgischem Recht, HR-Nr.: B 18745, 
Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl Gernandt.
Geschäftsleitung Region Europa: Dr. Hansjörg Rodi (Vors.), Mart Ambur, Tom Ban, 
Dominic Edmonds, Thierry Held, Uwe Hött, Richard Huhn, Jan-Hendrik 
Köstergarten, Heiko Schuhmacher.

Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen 
Spediteurbedingungen 2017 (ADSp 2017). Hinweis: Die ADSp 2017 weichen in Ziffer 
23 hinsichtlich des Haftungshöchstbetrages für Güterschäden (§ 431 HGB) vom 
Gesetz ab, indem sie die Haftung bei multimodalen Transporten unter Einschluss 
einer Seebeförderung und bei unbekanntem Schadenort auf 2 SZR/kg und im Übrigen 
die Regelhaftung von 8,33 SZR/kg zusätzlich auf 1,25 Millionen Euro je 
Schadenfall sowie 2,5 Millionen Euro je Schadenereignis, mindestens aber 2 
SZR/kg, beschränken. Die ADSp sind auf unserer Webseite als Download 
erhältlich. Auf Anfrage senden wir Ihnen diese auch gerne zu.

Re: Apache Isis slack channel

[Dan Haywood]

Hmm, Brian raises a very good point, though ... this is to improve
accessibility as well as transparency.  So if it's not easy for folks to
get onto the ASF slack, we probably need a different approach.

I've never heard of Matrix, but a poke around their site shows a very
interesting product but not much in the way of integrations.

I therefore think that gitter.im might be a better alternative.  I'm not
sure it's the best UI, but I know of several open source projects that are
using it (antora, datanucleus, vlingo) and a search shows a few other
Apache projects also on there (camel, airflow, ignite, Juneau).

What do folks think?

Dan



On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 09:18, Martin Grigorov  wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> The Apache Slack is not only for @apache.org people.
> If you are not an Apache committer then someone has to invite you.
> I just tried to invite you but it gives me an error (without message, so I
> am not sure what is wrong).
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:24 AM Brian K  wrote:
>
> > I think those of us without an Apache.org email need an invite to join
> that
> > slack team.  Have you considered Matrix (my preference) or Gitter to open
> > it up?
> >
> > -Brian
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 11:21 AM Dan Haywood  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > As you are probably aware, Andi and I have been working for a good
> while
> > > now on Apache Isis v2.  We've tended to use a private Skype channel to
> > > liaise on day-to-day stuff, and we've raised the occasional issue to
> the
> > > mailing list where it warranted further attention/opinion.
> > >
> > > The immediacy of a messaging system such as Skype is great to get stuff
> > > done, but it isn't the ASF way, and we should do better.
> > >
> > > Now about a year ago I created an #apache-isis channel on the ASF slack
> > > workspace, but I didn't promote it and it hasn't been used.  So with
> > > immediate effect Andi and I, at least, are going to be using that
> channel
> > > for our ongoing discussions.  You will find it at [1]
> > >
> > > Note that none of this replaces the users@ and dev@ mailing lists as
> the
> > > official place where our community lives, and we'll continue to
> > "escalate"
> > > issues up to the mailing list as and when.  But - as other ASF projects
> > do
> > > - having a Slack channel will hopefully make our framework more
> > accessible
> > > to would-be new users.
> > >
> > > So, hope to see some of you there!
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] https://the-asf.slack.com/archives/CFC42LWBV
> > >
> >
>

Re: Apache Isis slack channel

[Martin Grigorov]

Hi Brian,

The Apache Slack is not only for @apache.org people.
If you are not an Apache committer then someone has to invite you.
I just tried to invite you but it gives me an error (without message, so I
am not sure what is wrong).

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:24 AM Brian K  wrote:

> I think those of us without an Apache.org email need an invite to join that
> slack team.  Have you considered Matrix (my preference) or Gitter to open
> it up?
>
> -Brian
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 11:21 AM Dan Haywood 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > As you are probably aware, Andi and I have been working for a good while
> > now on Apache Isis v2.  We've tended to use a private Skype channel to
> > liaise on day-to-day stuff, and we've raised the occasional issue to the
> > mailing list where it warranted further attention/opinion.
> >
> > The immediacy of a messaging system such as Skype is great to get stuff
> > done, but it isn't the ASF way, and we should do better.
> >
> > Now about a year ago I created an #apache-isis channel on the ASF slack
> > workspace, but I didn't promote it and it hasn't been used.  So with
> > immediate effect Andi and I, at least, are going to be using that channel
> > for our ongoing discussions.  You will find it at [1]
> >
> > Note that none of this replaces the users@ and dev@ mailing lists as the
> > official place where our community lives, and we'll continue to
> "escalate"
> > issues up to the mailing list as and when.  But - as other ASF projects
> do
> > - having a Slack channel will hopefully make our framework more
> accessible
> > to would-be new users.
> >
> > So, hope to see some of you there!
> >
> > Cheers
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > [1] https://the-asf.slack.com/archives/CFC42LWBV
> >
>