Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Ed Greshko]

Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
> If i tell you that I plugged the TV to the card with an HDMI cable, it
> must be that the card supports HDMI.
>   
Too bad you still don't get it.

Yes, *your* card supports HDMI ... but if I am going search the Internet
for information on *your* card it would be best to know *exactly* what
your card isand not have to guess.

I wonder if you give your doctor similar responses.  :-)
> This will be my last reply on the matter. You're acting a little abstruse 
> here.
>   
Glad to hear that



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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Marcel Rieux]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:58 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:

> There is *more* than one model of Asus 9400GT card.

 Really. What are they?


>>> EN9400GT D3/HTP/512M
>>> EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2
>>> EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2/V2
>>> EN9400GT/DI/1GD2(LP)
>>> EN9400GT/DI/512MD2(LP)
>>> EN9400GT/HTP/512M
>>>
>>
>> It's all the same card. One is low profile, another not (This is just
>> how the components are laid out on the card The LP is longer, the
>> other is higher). One come with s/pdif wire, another with HDMI cable
>> and DVI adapter. One has 512 MB RAM, the other 1G. Etc.
>>
>> Ok, so now that you know that mine is a EN9400GT/DI/1GD2(LP), what
>> difference does it make?
>>
> Some do not support HDMI.

If i tell you that I plugged the TV to the card with an HDMI cable, it
must be that the card supports HDMI.

This will be my last reply on the matter. You're acting a little abstruse here.
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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Marcel Rieux]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:11 PM, john wendel  wrote:

> Just a little note, I don't have the answer to your problem ...
>
> The S/PDIF interface only needs 2 wires from the motherboard to your
> video card, signal and ground.

> If you are
> connecting to a 4 pin header on the motherboard, are you sure you are
> using the s/pdif connector?

Yes. There's even a little paper card that comes the 9400GT that tells
you the 4 holes side ot the cable should be inserted in the S/PDIF out
of the mobo. S\PDIF OUT is written right beside the male plug.
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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Ed Greshko]

Marcel Rieux wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>   
>> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Marcel Rieux wrote:

 
> My first message:
>
> "I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card."
>
> Whether it's an Asus or an MSI, it's always a 9400GT card. Otherwise,
> you wouldn't know what you're talking about.
>
>
>   
 There is *more* than one model of Asus 9400GT card.

 
>>> Really. What are they?
>>>
>>>   
>> EN9400GT D3/HTP/512M
>> EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2
>> EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2/V2
>> EN9400GT/DI/1GD2(LP)
>> EN9400GT/DI/512MD2(LP)
>> EN9400GT/HTP/512M
>> 
>
> It's all the same card. One is low profile, another not (This is just
> how the components are laid out on the card The LP is longer, the
> other is higher). One come with s/pdif wire, another with HDMI cable
> and DVI adapter. One has 512 MB RAM, the other 1G. Etc.
>
> Ok, so now that you know that mine is a EN9400GT/DI/1GD2(LP), what
> difference does it make?
>   
Some do not support HDMI.  

When doing research I prefer to deal with precise information.  You want
a "very precise solution" yet you don't think it important to provide
"very precise information". 
>   
>>> You've been very helpful in the past Ed but, as I said, unless you see
>>> a very precise solution, maybe it's time for you to take a little rest
>>> away from this problem.
>>>
>>>   
>> OK  Unless I know exactly how to help you without asking any
>> questions I will stop to help you with any of your problems.
>> 
>
> As you wish.
>   
And it will be a lot more fun to watch  :-)

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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Marcel Rieux]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>>
>>> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>>>
 My first message:

 "I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card."

 Whether it's an Asus or an MSI, it's always a 9400GT card. Otherwise,
 you wouldn't know what you're talking about.


>>> There is *more* than one model of Asus 9400GT card.
>>>
>>
>> Really. What are they?
>>
> EN9400GT D3/HTP/512M
> EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2
> EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2/V2
> EN9400GT/DI/1GD2(LP)
> EN9400GT/DI/512MD2(LP)
> EN9400GT/HTP/512M

It's all the same card. One is low profile, another not (This is just
how the components are laid out on the card The LP is longer, the
other is higher). One come with s/pdif wire, another with HDMI cable
and DVI adapter. One has 512 MB RAM, the other 1G. Etc.

Ok, so now that you know that mine is a EN9400GT/DI/1GD2(LP), what
difference does it make?

>> You've been very helpful in the past Ed but, as I said, unless you see
>> a very precise solution, maybe it's time for you to take a little rest
>> away from this problem.
>>
> OK  Unless I know exactly how to help you without asking any
> questions I will stop to help you with any of your problems.

As you wish.
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chromium issue

[François Patte]

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Bonjour,

I am running f10 and installed chromium.

It does not work with this message in the browser page:

Aw, Snap!

something went wrong while displaying this webpage. To continue, press
Reload or go to another.

Press Reload: same result

Another page: same result.


Lauching chromium from command line gives this error message:

symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/chromium-browser/libwebcore.so: undefined
symbol: _ZN2v87Context7SetDataENS_6HandleINS_6StringEEE


Well, well, well, that's helpful!

What to do?

Thanks

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Re: Will Firefox 3.6 be pushed?

[Robert Nichols]

Scott Beamer wrote:
> Siddhesh Poyarekar spake thusly:
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Scott Beamer
>>  wrote:
>>> If your not otherwise using sqlite you can grab Firefox 3.6 from
>>> Rawhide. I'm running it now.
>>>
>>>yum --enablerepo=rawhide update firefox
>>>
>>> You'll get an update for firefox, xulrunner and sqlite.
>>>
>>>
>> Don't do it if you need to print web pages. There's an unfixed bug in
>> the rawhide which causes firefox to crash whenever you try to print a
>> web page.
> 
> I have no idea when I last printed a web page. Other than a long long 
> long time ago. 

I guess you don't do much in the way of online transactions where receipts,
invoices, rebate forms, confirmations, etc. are on web pages that may need
to be printed.  For most of the "We suggest you print a copy for your
records" stuff, I just use "print to file" rather than to paper, but the
"Send a copy of this form, a copy of your receipt or invoice, and the
original UPC label ..." items have to go to the printer.  If printing
from web pages didn't work, I'd be switching to a different browser or
a different OS real quick.

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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[john wendel]

On 01/25/2010 07:41 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>>>
>>> My first message:
>>>
>>> "I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card."
>>>
>>> Whether it's an Asus or an MSI, it's always a 9400GT card. Otherwise,
>>> you wouldn't know what you're talking about.
>>>
>> There is *more* than one model of Asus 9400GT card.
>
> Really. What are they?
>
>> Besides, if someone
>> is trying to help you and asks you to be more specific...they why can't
>> you just answer the question?
>
> Well, you see, I already opened the computer thrice for this problem.
> Before i opened it for a fourth time, I would have liked to know the
> reason why.
>
>> Kind of make me want to stop trying to help...
>
> You've been very helpful in the past Ed but, as I said, unless you see
> a very precise solution, maybe it's time for you to take a little rest
> away from this problem.
>
> You also have the report from lspci. If can find on the net an Asus
> graphic card that's better identified, provide the URL, I'll open the
> case.
>
>
 lspci is now totally irrelevantand even if it were it doesn't tell
 you "ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G"

>>>
>>> What lspci told you is information entered in the card by Asustek.
>>> EN9400GT, was in my first message, then I told you it was an Asus. The
>>> info you now seem to consider relevant tells you nothing more, except
>>> the card has 1GB RAM, cause some have 512 MB.
>>>
>> Doesn't matter...
>
> I don't think so either. Once again, what are the other 9400GT models
> that are so different?
>
>>> I'm referring to the arrow on the plug facing this or that side of the
>>> motherboard, never a word about a discrete sound card, and  you ask if
>>> I have a discrete sound card?
>>>
>>> Besides lspci -v says:
>>>
>>> Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
>>>Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device a022
>>>
>>> What would Giga-byte have to do in a discrete audio card?
>>>
>
>>  From this information I cannot tell if the sound chip is integrated on
>> the motherboard or on an discrete audio card.
>
> Why would a discrete sound card have a reference to Gigabyte? Giga
> doesn't make sound cards.
>
>> You've said that one of the cables holes was
>
 Just because the spdif out plug has 4 pins does not mean all pins are
 used!  As a matter of fact, if the plugged hole is a "key hole" there
 *will* be 4 pins on the out plug!  That is the whole (pun intended) 
 purpose.

>>>
>>> The mobo has 4 male pins -- excuse the pleonasm -- for s/pdif out in a
>>> little casing. The plug has 4 female holes, one of which is
>>> obstructed. How do you get the plug in if you don't open the plugged
>>> hole: a pin will be facing the plugged hole.
>>>
>> Humm...could explain why I have no children...
>
> Yup! I believe you've been looking too much for the key hole :)

Just a little note, I don't have the answer to your problem ...

The S/PDIF interface only needs 2 wires from the motherboard to your 
video card, signal and ground. Usually there is another pin that carries 
5 volts used to power a fiber optic interface cable. If you are 
connecting to a 4 pin header on the motherboard, are you sure you are 
using the s/pdif connector?  My Intel board only has three pins on the 
s/pdif header.

Regards,

John
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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Ed Greshko]

Marcel Rieux wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>   
>> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>> 
>>> My first message:
>>>
>>> "I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card."
>>>
>>> Whether it's an Asus or an MSI, it's always a 9400GT card. Otherwise,
>>> you wouldn't know what you're talking about.
>>>
>>>   
>> There is *more* than one model of Asus 9400GT card.
>> 
>
> Really. What are they?
>   
EN9400GT D3/HTP/512M
EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2
EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2/V2
EN9400GT/DI/1GD2(LP)
EN9400GT/DI/512MD2(LP)
EN9400GT/HTP/512M

And a few others

> You've been very helpful in the past Ed but, as I said, unless you see
> a very precise solution, maybe it's time for you to take a little rest
> away from this problem.
>   
OK  Unless I know exactly how to help you without asking any
questions I will stop to help you with any of your problems.






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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Marcel Rieux]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>>
>> My first message:
>>
>> "I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card."
>>
>> Whether it's an Asus or an MSI, it's always a 9400GT card. Otherwise,
>> you wouldn't know what you're talking about.
>>
> There is *more* than one model of Asus 9400GT card.

Really. What are they?

> Besides, if someone
> is trying to help you and asks you to be more specific...they why can't
> you just answer the question?

Well, you see, I already opened the computer thrice for this problem.
Before i opened it for a fourth time, I would have liked to know the
reason why.

> Kind of make me want to stop trying to help...

You've been very helpful in the past Ed but, as I said, unless you see
a very precise solution, maybe it's time for you to take a little rest
away from this problem.

 You also have the report from lspci. If can find on the net an Asus
 graphic card that's better identified, provide the URL, I'll open the
 case.


>>> lspci is now totally irrelevantand even if it were it doesn't tell
>>> you "ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G"
>>>
>>
>> What lspci told you is information entered in the card by Asustek.
>> EN9400GT, was in my first message, then I told you it was an Asus. The
>> info you now seem to consider relevant tells you nothing more, except
>> the card has 1GB RAM, cause some have 512 MB.
>>
> Doesn't matter...

I don't think so either. Once again, what are the other 9400GT models
that are so different?

>> I'm referring to the arrow on the plug facing this or that side of the
>> motherboard, never a word about a discrete sound card, and  you ask if
>> I have a discrete sound card?
>>
>> Besides lspci -v says:
>>
>> Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
>>       Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device a022
>>
>> What would Giga-byte have to do in a discrete audio card?
>>

> From this information I cannot tell if the sound chip is integrated on
> the motherboard or on an discrete audio card.

Why would a discrete sound card have a reference to Gigabyte? Giga
doesn't make sound cards.

> You've said that one of the cables holes was

>>> Just because the spdif out plug has 4 pins does not mean all pins are
>>> used!  As a matter of fact, if the plugged hole is a "key hole" there
>>> *will* be 4 pins on the out plug!  That is the whole (pun intended) purpose.
>>>
>>
>> The mobo has 4 male pins -- excuse the pleonasm -- for s/pdif out in a
>> little casing. The plug has 4 female holes, one of which is
>> obstructed. How do you get the plug in if you don't open the plugged
>> hole: a pin will be facing the plugged hole.
>>
> Humm...could explain why I have no children...

Yup! I believe you've been looking too much for the key hole :)
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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Marcel Rieux]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Mikkel  wrote:
> On 01/23/2010 10:51 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>>> Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the
>>> question here.
>>>
>>> I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
>>>
>>> First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with
>>> NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and
>>> one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire
>>> going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow
>>> facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of
>>> course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
>>>
>>> Anybody got this working?
>>
>> Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a 
>> PA
>> config issue.
>>
> One thing to keep in mind when configuring PA to output over the
> HDMI cable is that this is a digital output. The default
> configuration is to use the analog output, because this is what most
> people use. (Speakers hooked to the line out jack.)

> PA supports both analog and digital output, but you have to select
> the one you want.

As I said, when I select digital output, there is no output
whatsoever, computer or tv. Is an additional driver needed?
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Re: System-config-display won't Execute.

[Jim]

On 01/25/2010 09:22 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Jim wrote:
>
>> On 01/25/2010 02:38 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Am Montag, den 25.01.2010, 14:19 -0500 schrieb Jim:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 FC12-x86_64/KDE

 system-config-display won't execute.


 # system-config-display
 Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 378, in
dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig,
 videocard.VideoCardInfo())
  File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py", line 640,
 in __init__
if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies)>   1:
 IndexError: index out-of-bounds


  
>>> This is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505972
>>>
>>> Are you using any proprietary video drivers? If so, disable them and try
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Christoph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> No I don't think so Chris, crazy as it may sound , as long as there is
>> xorg.conf
>> system-config-display won't excute. Try it, with a xorg.conf in /etc/X11.
>> and then delete the xorg.conf file and you will see that
>> system-config-display
>> will execute.
>> There is a problem someplace, but darn if I know.
>>
>>  
> There may be a problem on your system.  However, here it works just fine
> with and without an xorg.conf file.
>
> Ed
>
>
Thanks ED .
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Re: F8: CPAN problem

[Dan Thurman]

On 01/25/2010 04:25 PM, Scott Beamer wrote:
> Dan Thurman spake thusly:
>   
>> To make a long story short, I was trying to get procmail support added
>> to my sendmail base in order to get maildir (instead of mbox)
>> 
> IS that "F8" as in "Fedora 8"?
>
> Fedora 8 is no longer supported..
>   
Yes, I know, but it will apply to later versions.  I am trying to
clean out "activation" of the CPAN method stuff which broke.
Maybe there is no harm there, but I am not certain.

So, if anyone has any suggestions or ideas what I can
try, I am all ears! :D


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Re: System-config-display won't Execute.

[Ed Greshko]

Jim wrote:
> On 01/25/2010 02:38 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
>   
>> Am Montag, den 25.01.2010, 14:19 -0500 schrieb Jim:
>>
>> 
>>> FC12-x86_64/KDE
>>>
>>> system-config-display won't execute.
>>>
>>>
>>> # system-config-display
>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>> File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 378, in
>>>   dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig,
>>> videocard.VideoCardInfo())
>>> File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py", line 640,
>>> in __init__
>>>   if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies)>  1:
>>> IndexError: index out-of-bounds
>>>  
>>>   
>> This is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505972
>>
>> Are you using any proprietary video drivers? If so, disable them and try
>> again.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Christoph
>>
>>
>>
>> 
> No I don't think so Chris, crazy as it may sound , as long as there is 
> xorg.conf
> system-config-display won't excute. Try it, with a xorg.conf in /etc/X11.
> and then delete the xorg.conf file and you will see that 
> system-config-display
> will execute.
> There is a problem someplace, but darn if I know.
>   
There may be a problem on your system.  However, here it works just fine
with and without an xorg.conf file.

Ed

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Re: System-config-display won't Execute.

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 25.01.2010, 18:55 -0500 schrieb Jim:
> On 01/25/2010 02:38 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> > Am Montag, den 25.01.2010, 14:19 -0500 schrieb Jim:
> >
> >> FC12-x86_64/KDE
> >>
> >> system-config-display won't execute.
> >>
> >>
> >> # system-config-display
> >> Traceback (most recent call last):
> >> File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 378, in
> >>   dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig,
> >> videocard.VideoCardInfo())
> >> File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py", line 640,
> >> in __init__
> >>   if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies)>  1:
> >> IndexError: index out-of-bounds
> >>  
> > This is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505972
> >
> > Are you using any proprietary video drivers? If so, disable them and try
> > again.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Christoph
> >
> >
> >
> No I don't think so Chris, crazy as it may sound , as long as there is 
> xorg.conf
> system-config-display won't excute. Try it, with a xorg.conf in /etc/X11.
> and then delete the xorg.conf file and you will see that 
> system-config-display
> will execute.

I cannot confirm this observation, just tried it. For me it executes
with a xorg.conf I made with s-c-d.

Regards,
Christoph


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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Ed Greshko]

Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
> My first message:
>
> "I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card."
>
> Whether it's an Asus or an MSI, it's always a 9400GT card. Otherwise,
> you wouldn't know what you're talking about.
>   
There is *more* than one model of Asus 9400GT card.  Besides, if someone
is trying to help you and asks you to be more specific...they why can't
you just answer the question?

Kind of make me want to stop trying to help...
>   
>>> You also have the report from lspci. If can find on the net an Asus
>>> graphic card that's better identified, provide the URL, I'll open the
>>> case.
>>>
>>>   
>> lspci is now totally irrelevantand even if it were it doesn't tell
>> you "ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G"
>> 
>
> What lspci told you is information entered in the card by Asustek.
> EN9400GT, was in my first message, then I told you it was an Asus. The
> info you now seem to consider relevant tells you nothing more, except
> the card has 1GB RAM, cause some have 512 MB.
>   
Doesn't matter...
>   
>>> lspci told you that. Otherwise, I don't have a sound system. As I
>>> said, I'm trying to connect it to a TV... which like all TVs has an
>>> amplifier and speakers.
>>>
>>>   
>> You don't have a sound system?  OK, maybe you misunderstand my question...
>>
>> You've got to have a sound card of some sort.
>> 
>
> Yes, once again, it's integrated in the mobo.
>
>   
>>> This is very plain in my first post:
>>>
>>> "The plug had a molding problem and
>>> one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire
>>> going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow
>>> facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of
>>> course, sound doesn't come out of the TV."
>>>
>>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-January/364853.html
>>>
>>>
>>>   
  or where you've
 connected the spdif cable.

 
>>> To the motherboard since that's where the sound chip is.
>>>
>>>   
>> I just love the way you pick and chose what information to give...as if
>> we are supposed to know your sound chip is on the mother board.
>> 
>
> I'm referring to the arrow on the plug facing this or that side of the
> motherboard, never a word about a discrete sound card, and  you ask if
> I have a discrete sound card?
>
> Besides lspci -v says:
>
> Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
>   Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device a022
>
> What would Giga-byte have to do in a discrete audio card?
>   
From this information I cannot tell if the sound chip is integrated on
the motherboard or on an discrete audio card.
>   
 You've said that one of the cables holes was
 blockedbut many times that is quite normal.  That could be the "key
 hole" that would prevent one from installing cable in the wrong
 orientation.

 
>>> Not a keyhole. The s/pdif out plug has 4 pins.
>>>
>>>   
>> Just because the spdif out plug has 4 pins does not mean all pins are
>> used!  As a matter of fact, if the plugged hole is a "key hole" there
>> *will* be 4 pins on the out plug!  That is the whole (pun intended) purpose.
>> 
>
> The mobo has 4 male pins -- excuse the pleonasm -- for s/pdif out in a
> little casing. The plug has 4 female holes, one of which is
> obstructed. How do you get the plug in if you don't open the plugged
> hole: a pin will be facing the plugged hole.
>   
Humm...could explain why I have no children...
> Ed, I believe you're getting tired. Sometimes, when you try to hard,
> you get obnubilated. I suggest you take a day off.
>   
No...just no coffee



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Re: F8: CPAN problem

[Scott Beamer]

Dan Thurman spake thusly:

> To make a long story short, I was trying to get procmail support added
> to my sendmail base in order to get maildir (instead of mbox)

IS that "F8" as in "Fedora 8"?

Fedora 8 is no longer supported..

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Re: Will Firefox 3.6 be pushed?

[Scott Beamer]

Siddhesh Poyarekar spake thusly:

> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Scott Beamer
>  wrote:
>> If your not otherwise using sqlite you can grab Firefox 3.6 from
>> Rawhide. I'm running it now.
>>
>>        yum --enablerepo=rawhide update firefox
>>
>> You'll get an update for firefox, xulrunner and sqlite.
>>
>>
> Don't do it if you need to print web pages. There's an unfixed bug in
> the rawhide which causes firefox to crash whenever you try to print a
> web page.

I have no idea when I last printed a web page. Other than a long long 
long time ago. 


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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Marcel Rieux]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Phil Meyer  wrote:
> On 01/25/2010 03:14 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Bill Davidsen wrote:


> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
>
>
>> Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the
>> question here.
>>
>> I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
>>
>> First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with
>> NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and
>> one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire
>> going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow
>> facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of
>> course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
>>
>> Anybody got this working?
>>
>>
>>
> Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this 
> is a PA
> config issue.
>
>
>
>
 That is actually a very good question

 Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards
 (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a
 pass though.  One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to
 either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on
 your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to
 the HDMI.


>>> That's how it's *supposed* to work.
>>>
>>>
>> Since you now appear to know how it is supposed to workI wonder why
>> you were bitching about Nvidia and the drivers.  The product is not a
>> Nvidia product...but an Asus product.
>>
>> We also don't have enough information on the card itself.  Nor do we
>> have any information on what your sound system is or where you've
>> connected the spdif cable.  You've said that one of the cables holes was
>> blockedbut many times that is quite normal.  That could be the "key
>> hole" that would prevent one from installing cable in the wrong
>> orientation.  It is more than likely a "key hole" since you state there
>> is no wire going to it.  So, I would even question if you have the cable
>> installed correctly or even to the correct pin block on your system.
>>
>>>
>>>
 So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.


>>> The only relevant configuration I see for sound is under the hardware
>>> tab. Anything analog gives an output on the computer, anything digital
>>> gives no output. In both cases, there is no output on the TV.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> There are several things at work here:
>
> 1: aplay --list-devices

This is the same as aplay -l and I already provided the output:

 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC888 Analog [ALC888 Analog]
  Subdevices: 0/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 1: ALC888 Digital [ALC888 Digital]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0


> If only the onboard sound devices

I only have onboard sound devices. The TV's amplifier will never
appear as a sound device.

OTOH, and this seems like AN INTERESTING QUESTION, how come I can only
get analog output on my computer jacks. Maybe the TV needs digital
input, which i can't provide?

> Some TVs will allow a mix of HDMI in on one channel and audio in on
> another channel, just for this type of situation where the source cannot
> do audio over HDMI.  My son has a TV like that.

I know this but I'd rather have things work like they're supposed to.

I BELIEVE NY PROBLEM WITH SOUND IS I CAN'T GET DIGITAL OUTPUT FROM THE COMPUTER"
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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Mikkel]

On 01/23/2010 10:51 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>> Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the
>> question here.
>>
>> I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
>>
>> First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with
>> NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and
>> one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire
>> going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow
>> facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of
>> course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
>>
>> Anybody got this working?
> 
> Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a 
> PA 
> config issue.
> 
One thing to keep in mind when configuring PA to output over the
HDMI cable is that this is a digital output. The default
configuration is to use the analog output, because this is what most
people use. (Speakers hooked to the line out jack.)

PA supports both analog and digital output, but you have to select
the one you want. I am not sure if you can use both at once...

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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Marcel Rieux]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>>
>>  ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G (LP) GeForce 9400 GT 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI
>> Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready
>>
> This is the first time you've indicated the actual card number

My first message:

"I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card."

Whether it's an Asus or an MSI, it's always a 9400GT card. Otherwise,
you wouldn't know what you're talking about.

>> You also have the report from lspci. If can find on the net an Asus
>> graphic card that's better identified, provide the URL, I'll open the
>> case.
>>
> lspci is now totally irrelevantand even if it were it doesn't tell
> you "ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G"

What lspci told you is information entered in the card by Asustek.
EN9400GT, was in my first message, then I told you it was an Asus. The
info you now seem to consider relevant tells you nothing more, except
the card has 1GB RAM, cause some have 512 MB.

>> lspci told you that. Otherwise, I don't have a sound system. As I
>> said, I'm trying to connect it to a TV... which like all TVs has an
>> amplifier and speakers.
>>
> You don't have a sound system?  OK, maybe you misunderstand my question...
>
> You've got to have a sound card of some sort.

Yes, once again, it's integrated in the mobo.

>> This is very plain in my first post:
>>
>> "The plug had a molding problem and
>> one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire
>> going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow
>> facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of
>> course, sound doesn't come out of the TV."
>>
>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-January/364853.html
>>
>>
>>>  or where you've
>>> connected the spdif cable.
>>>
>>
>> To the motherboard since that's where the sound chip is.
>>
> I just love the way you pick and chose what information to give...as if
> we are supposed to know your sound chip is on the mother board.

I'm referring to the arrow on the plug facing this or that side of the
motherboard, never a word about a discrete sound card, and  you ask if
I have a discrete sound card?

Besides lspci -v says:

Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device a022

What would Giga-byte have to do in a discrete audio card?

>>> You've said that one of the cables holes was
>>> blockedbut many times that is quite normal.  That could be the "key
>>> hole" that would prevent one from installing cable in the wrong
>>> orientation.
>>>
>>
>> Not a keyhole. The s/pdif out plug has 4 pins.
>>
> Just because the spdif out plug has 4 pins does not mean all pins are
> used!  As a matter of fact, if the plugged hole is a "key hole" there
> *will* be 4 pins on the out plug!  That is the whole (pun intended) purpose.

The mobo has 4 male pins -- excuse the pleonasm -- for s/pdif out in a
little casing. The plug has 4 female holes, one of which is
obstructed. How do you get the plug in if you don't open the plugged
hole: a pin will be facing the plugged hole.

Ed, I believe you're getting tired. Sometimes, when you try to hard,
you get obnubilated. I suggest you take a day off.
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Re: System-config-display won't Execute.

[Jim]

On 01/25/2010 02:38 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> Am Montag, den 25.01.2010, 14:19 -0500 schrieb Jim:
>
>> FC12-x86_64/KDE
>>
>> system-config-display won't execute.
>>
>>
>> # system-config-display
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>> File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 378, in
>>   dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig,
>> videocard.VideoCardInfo())
>> File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py", line 640,
>> in __init__
>>   if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies)>  1:
>> IndexError: index out-of-bounds
>>  
> This is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505972
>
> Are you using any proprietary video drivers? If so, disable them and try
> again.
>
> Regards,
> Christoph
>
>
>
No I don't think so Chris, crazy as it may sound , as long as there is 
xorg.conf
system-config-display won't excute. Try it, with a xorg.conf in /etc/X11.
and then delete the xorg.conf file and you will see that 
system-config-display
will execute.
There is a problem someplace, but darn if I know.
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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Marcel Rieux]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Dennis Gilmore  wrote:
> On Monday 25 January 2010 03:04:49 pm Marcel Rieux wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>> > Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> >> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>> >>> Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the
>> >>> question here.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI
>> >>> cable.
>> >>>
>> >>> First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with
>> >>> NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and
>> >>> one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire
>> >>> going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow
>> >>> facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of
>> >>> course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
>> >>>
>> >>> Anybody got this working?
>> >>
>> >> Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this
>> >> is a PA config issue.
>> >
>> > That is actually a very good question
>> >
>> > Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards
>> > (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a
>> > pass though.  One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to
>> > either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on
>> > your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to
>> > the HDMI.
>>
>> That's how it's *supposed* to work.

> Ive never heard of such a config for hdmi.  My myth box does hdmi out  i plug 
> a
> hdmi cable from the computer to the tv. audio and video both go over the same
> cable.

Same here. Read carefully what is said about the s/pdif cable. If you
have an ATI card, you don't have one.

> Selecting the right profile in pulse audio activated things correctly.
> i get sound though my tv.

Glad for you! How do you select the profile in pulseaudio, if not by
right clicking the speaker icon in the top panel, like was explained
in preceding messages?

> due to the way hdmi works you do not get volume
> control on your computer.  it passes a constant signal  which the end device
> uses to control volume.  likely the device is muted by default.

The sound control on the TV is the same whether the input is TV or
HDMI(3, here). Would you believe I didn't mute the sound on the TV to
complain there is no sound?

>> > So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.
>>
>> The only relevant configuration I see for sound is under the hardware
>> tab. Anything analog gives an output on the computer, anything digital
>> gives no output. In both cases, there is no output on the TV.

No comment about this? If this is the way to do the configuration,
then you shouldn't suggest I should configure pulseaudio. If it's not
you should correct.
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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Ed Greshko]

Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
>  ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G (LP) GeForce 9400 GT 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI
> Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready
>   
This is the first time you've indicated the actual card number

When asked previously you said...

Q.  Who is the card manufacture?
A.   Asus.

Q.  What is the actual model number?
A.   No idea. OEM package.

> You also have the report from lspci. If can find on the net an Asus
> graphic card that's better identified, provide the URL, I'll open the
> case.
>   
lspci is now totally irrelevantand even if it were it doesn't tell
you "ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G"
> lspci told you that. Otherwise, I don't have a sound system. As I
> said, I'm trying to connect it to a TV... which like all TVs has an
> amplifier and speakers.
>   
You don't have a sound system?  OK, maybe you misunderstand my question...

You've got to have a sound card of some sort. 
> This is very plain in my first post:
>
> "The plug had a molding problem and
> one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire
> going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow
> facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of
> course, sound doesn't come out of the TV."
>
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-January/364853.html
>
>   
>>  or where you've
>> connected the spdif cable.
>> 
>
> To the motherboard since that's where the sound chip is.
>   
I just love the way you pick and chose what information to give...as if
we are supposed to know your sound chip is on the mother board.

>   
>> You've said that one of the cables holes was
>> blockedbut many times that is quite normal.  That could be the "key
>> hole" that would prevent one from installing cable in the wrong
>> orientation.
>> 
>
> Not a keyhole. The s/pdif out plug has 4 pins.
>   
Just because the spdif out plug has 4 pins does not mean all pins are
used!  As a matter of fact, if the plugged hole is a "key hole" there
*will* be 4 pins on the out plug!  That is the whole (pun intended) purpose.


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Re: File Alteration Monitor

[Sam Varshavchik]

Rahul Tidke writes:


I am referring http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/March2001/article199.shtml
& http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/faq.html , which says FAM can report when
a file is created, deleted, modified, or executed. So if a file gets
modified , isn't that sufficient to initiate sync to other location? Please
correct me if I am wrong.


This is sufficient, of course, if you write the code to do it. All that FAM 
does is allow an application to be notified when files are directories are 
changed. FAM, by itself, won't copy these files or directories anywhere. 
It's a notification mechanism. You could, theoretically, write an 
application that takes these notifications and tries to copy these changes.



What I want is:
1) If a file changes (file contents also) it should fire a command for
syncing to other network location.


Sure. But I am not aware of any such applications, but it can theoretically 
be done. But there's nothing in the fam/gamin package itself that does this. 
All it is, is a notification mechanisms. A C/C++ application must be written 
to use the fam/gamin library, to process these notifications accordingly. 
There may be some Python bindings, so it might be possible to do something 
in Python, but I don't really know.





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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Marcel Rieux]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> Marcel Rieux wrote:

>>> Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards
>>> (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a
>>> pass though.  One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to
>>> either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on
>>> your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to
>>> the HDMI.
>>>
>>
>> That's how it's *supposed* to work.
>>
> Since you now appear to know how it is supposed to work

I know how it's supposed to work and I know it doesn't.

> We also don't have enough information on the card itself.

 ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G (LP) GeForce 9400 GT 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI
Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready

You also have the report from lspci. If can find on the net an Asus
graphic card that's better identified, provide the URL, I'll open the
case.

>  Nor do we
> have any information on what your sound system is

lspci told you that. Otherwise, I don't have a sound system. As I
said, I'm trying to connect it to a TV... which like all TVs has an
amplifier and speakers.

This is very plain in my first post:

"The plug had a molding problem and
one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire
going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow
facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of
course, sound doesn't come out of the TV."

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-January/364853.html

>  or where you've
> connected the spdif cable.

To the motherboard since that's where the sound chip is.

> You've said that one of the cables holes was
> blockedbut many times that is quite normal.  That could be the "key
> hole" that would prevent one from installing cable in the wrong
> orientation.

Not a keyhole. The s/pdif out plug has 4 pins.
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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Dennis Gilmore]

On Monday 25 January 2010 03:04:49 pm Marcel Rieux wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> > Bill Davidsen wrote:
> >> Marcel Rieux wrote:
> >>> Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the
> >>> question here.
> >>> 
> >>> I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI
> >>> cable.
> >>> 
> >>> First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with
> >>> NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and
> >>> one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire
> >>> going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow
> >>> facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of
> >>> course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
> >>> 
> >>> Anybody got this working?
> >> 
> >> Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this
> >> is a PA config issue.
> > 
> > That is actually a very good question
> > 
> > Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards
> > (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a
> > pass though.  One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to
> > either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on
> > your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to
> > the HDMI.
> 
> That's how it's *supposed* to work.
Ive never heard of such a config for hdmi.  My myth box does hdmi out  i plug a 
hdmi cable from the computer to the tv. audio and video both go over the same 
cable. Selecting the right profile in pulse audio activated things correctly.  
i get sound though my tv.  due to the way hdmi works you do not get volume 
control on your computer.  it passes a constant signal  which the end device 
uses to control volume.  likely the device is muted by default.

> > So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.
> 
> The only relevant configuration I see for sound is under the hardware
> tab. Anything analog gives an output on the computer, anything digital
> gives no output. In both cases, there is no output on the TV.

Dennis


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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Phil Meyer]

On 01/25/2010 03:14 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Marcel Rieux wrote:


  
> Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the
> question here.
>
> I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
>
> First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with
> NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and
> one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire
> going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow
> facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of
> course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
>
> Anybody got this working?
>
>
>
 Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is 
 a PA
 config issue.



  
>>> That is actually a very good question
>>>
>>> Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards
>>> (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a
>>> pass though.  One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to
>>> either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on
>>> your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to
>>> the HDMI.
>>>
>>>
>> That's how it's *supposed* to work.
>>
>>  
> Since you now appear to know how it is supposed to workI wonder why
> you were bitching about Nvidia and the drivers.  The product is not a
> Nvidia product...but an Asus product.
>
> We also don't have enough information on the card itself.  Nor do we
> have any information on what your sound system is or where you've
> connected the spdif cable.  You've said that one of the cables holes was
> blockedbut many times that is quite normal.  That could be the "key
> hole" that would prevent one from installing cable in the wrong
> orientation.  It is more than likely a "key hole" since you state there
> is no wire going to it.  So, I would even question if you have the cable
> installed correctly or even to the correct pin block on your system.
>
>>
>>  
>>> So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.
>>>
>>>
>> The only relevant configuration I see for sound is under the hardware
>> tab. Anything analog gives an output on the computer, anything digital
>> gives no output. In both cases, there is no output on the TV.
>>
>>  
>
>

There are several things at work here:

1: aplay --list-devices

If only the onboard sound devices show up, then:
 A: You are not connected correctly (hardware) -- recheck the wiring.
 B: That card does NOT do audio out via HDMI -- recheck card 
specifications.

2: You may need to use alsamixer to force pulseaudio to use the right card:
 A alsamixer -C N (where N == card number from aplay listing)
 B: make sure nothing is muted in alsamixer
 C: alsactl store N (where N == card number)
 D: Check the GNOME audio again and set as appropriate

Some TVs will allow a mix of HDMI in on one channel and audio in on 
another channel, just for this type of situation where the source cannot 
do audio over HDMI.  My son has a TV like that.

Good Luck!


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Re: Demand for LUKS password blocks boot

[Ed Greshko]

Robin Laing wrote:
> On 01/21/2010 08:32 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>   
>> Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
>> 
>>> On 01/21/2010 09:40 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
>>>
>>>   
> From:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Dracut/Options#crypto_LUKS
>
> Pass: rd_NO_LUKS to your kernel boot line.
>   
>
>   
>> What happens if you normally want a particular uuid to be activated on
>> boot...but there is a power fail and restore at 3am?  Wouldn't you still
>> be stuck with a system waiting for the password when what you may want
>> would be for the system to come up without that device?  Wouldn't a
>> rd_LUKS_timeout=  make sense?
>>
>>
>> 
>
> If a drive is encrypted, where do you expect to get the password from?
>   
The keyboard via a person entering it...
> I am just curious because I have started to encrypt my drives and I have 
> to enter the password on each boot.  It is to ensure that the system 
> cannot be accessed unless the password is entered.
>
> Maybe my concept of encrypted partitions is different than yours.
>
>   
No, it isn't.  But,  you may have missed the beginning of the thread?

The OP has some external encrypted disks that are not critical to system
operation.  Other functions of the system are critical.  The system is
configured to reboot when power is restored after a power failure.  If
the system is unattended and an encrypted disk is attached the boot
process will wait for forever for the password until it proceeds.  I
think you can see the issue should this happen at 3AM Saturday

The suggestion of rd_LUKS_timeout= would allow the boot to
proceed *without* the encrypted disk being mounted.

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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Ed Greshko]

Marcel Rieux wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>   
>> Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the
 question here.

 I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.

 First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with
 NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and
 one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire
 going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow
 facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of
 course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!

 Anybody got this working?

 
>>> Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is 
>>> a PA
>>> config issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> That is actually a very good question
>>
>> Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards
>> (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a
>> pass though.  One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to
>> either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on
>> your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to
>> the HDMI.
>> 
>
> That's how it's *supposed* to work.
>   
Since you now appear to know how it is supposed to workI wonder why
you were bitching about Nvidia and the drivers.  The product is not a
Nvidia product...but an Asus product.

We also don't have enough information on the card itself.  Nor do we
have any information on what your sound system is or where you've
connected the spdif cable.  You've said that one of the cables holes was
blockedbut many times that is quite normal.  That could be the "key
hole" that would prevent one from installing cable in the wrong
orientation.  It is more than likely a "key hole" since you state there
is no wire going to it.  So, I would even question if you have the cable
installed correctly or even to the correct pin block on your system.
>   
>> So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.
>> 
>
> The only relevant configuration I see for sound is under the hardware
> tab. Anything analog gives an output on the computer, anything digital
> gives no output. In both cases, there is no output on the TV.
>   


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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Ed Greshko]

Marcel Rieux wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>   
>> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 What is the output of "lspci -v"?
 
>
>   
>>>   Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82be
>>>   
>
>   
>> I still don't understand why you are mixing twinview with soundbut
>> never mind.
>> 
>
> Check the preceding line. Do you really believe my eyes could tell you
> more than software scanning hardware? This would be very unusual.
>   
You did not answer the question

Is your graphics card a discrete card or embedded on the motherboard?

and

Can your remove the card and look at it for a model number?



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Install

[Jesus Arocho]

I am working on shifting the household from ubuntu to fedora.  I installed F12 
on my daughter's desktop with no issues; it does run slower, perhaps the 
graphics driver is not optimal.

I then tried to install on my machine which is running a GeForce 8400 GT video 
card.  The initial screen loads and I select boot, then the screen goes black,  
CD ROM grinds for a while, stops, and that is it.  any ideas?
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several issues with F12

[Paolo Galtieri]

After the latest updates I'm seeing a few issues:

1) When I login the time it takes to discover that a network connection
exists is very slow.  The problem is that if you configure your account to
have firefox automatically start up when it finally does it all tabs you
have sdetup come up in offline mode.  You have to explicitly retry each tab
to connect.

2) When I create a new user and login as that user none of the desktop icons
show up.  When I logout I get an alert saying that the file manager is not
responding.  The existing user account works just fine.

3) I wanted to play around with orca.  When I first started it up by hand I
got the following messages:

** (orca:16930): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'WnckWindowState' as
flags when in fact it is of type 'GEnum'

** (orca:16930): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'WnckWindowActions' as
flags when in fact it is of type 'GEnum'

** (orca:16930): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
'WnckWindowMoveResizeMask' as flags when in fact it is of type 'GEnum'

There were 2 windows present, one saying screen reader the other orca
preferences.  After about 2 minutes both windows disappeared and a message
was displayed which indicated that it timed out because something was hung
and it aborted.  When I tried again from a terminal window the same warnings
came out and then orca began to prompt for preferences.

4) I have snort running and I get lots of selinux alerts.  There are
existing bugs for the alerts.  When I click on the FAQ link in the selinux
alert window (in the show full error report section) it tries to access
http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq-fc5/#id2961385, but it never
completes and firefox indicates it timed out.  Even trying to connect to
fedora.redhat.com times out.  No firewall rules are in play and I can access
redhat.com (209.132.183.81).

Paolo
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Re: need howto for SELinux config--ssh on non-standard port

[John Poelstra]

Daniel J Walsh said the following on 01/25/2010 12:31 PM Pacific Time:
> ps -eZ | grep sshd

Here it is

[r...@localhost ~]# ps -ef | grep ssh
root   827 1  0 Jan24 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
root  1150 1  0 Jan24 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/sshd -f 
sshd_config
root  2662   827  1 05:09 ?00:00:00 sshd: r...@pts/0
root  2686  2667  0 05:10 pts/000:00:00 grep ssh
[r...@localhost ~]# ps -eZ | grep ssh
system_u:system_r:sshd_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 827 ?  00:00:00 sshd
unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 1150 ? 00:00:00 sshd
system_u:system_r:sshd_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 2662 ? 00:00:00 sshd
[r...@localhost ~]#


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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Marcel Rieux]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>>
>>> Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the
>>> question here.
>>>
>>> I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
>>>
>>> First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with
>>> NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and
>>> one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire
>>> going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow
>>> facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of
>>> course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
>>>
>>> Anybody got this working?
>>>
>>
>> Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a 
>> PA
>> config issue.
>>
>>
> That is actually a very good question
>
> Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards
> (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a
> pass though.  One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to
> either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on
> your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to
> the HDMI.

That's how it's *supposed* to work.

> So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.

The only relevant configuration I see for sound is under the hardware
tab. Anything analog gives an output on the computer, anything digital
gives no output. In both cases, there is no output on the TV.
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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Marcel Rieux]

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> What is the output of "lspci -v"?

>>       Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82be

> I still don't understand why you are mixing twinview with soundbut
> never mind.

Check the preceding line. Do you really believe my eyes could tell you
more than software scanning hardware? This would be very unusual.
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Re: need howto for SELinux config--ssh on non-standard port

[Daniel J Walsh]

On 01/24/2010 11:11 PM, John Poelstra wrote:
> Daniel J Walsh said the following on 01/21/2010 05:05 AM Pacific Time:
>> On 01/20/2010 11:35 PM, John Poelstra wrote:
>>>
>>> Where else should I be looking?
>>>
>>> It is very clear that I can log in remotely on the non-standard port w/
>>> selinux disabled and that it will not work when selinux is enabled.
>>>
>>> John
>> ausearch -m avc -ts today
>>
>> Should show you all of the AVC messages that you received today.  If
>> you are using auditing.
>>
>> ausearch -m avc
>>
>> Will show you all avc's that your system has logged
>>
>> ausearch -m avc | audit2allow
>>
>> Will give you the audit rules.
>>
>> If you have been in permissive mode for a while, the log messages
>> might have disappeared.
>>
>> setenforce 1
>> setenforce 0
>>
>> Will cause avc messages to show up again.
> 
> The root of the problem seems to be that there are no AVC messages.  All
> of our previous discussion has centered around creating a new policy for
> them so it appears I need a different fix?
> 
> I do see these errors in /var/log/secure on the server, but that is all.
> 
> Jan 24 19:50:47 localhost sshd[1150]: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port
> 63000.
> Jan 24 19:50:47 localhost sshd[1150]: Server listening on :: port 63000.
> Jan 24 19:50:54 localhost sshd[1151]: Accepted publickey for jp from
> 192.168.122.1 port 45292 ssh2
> Jan 24 19:50:54 localhost sshd[1151]: pam_selinux(sshd:session):
> conversation failed
> Jan 24 19:50:54 localhost sshd[1151]: pam_selinux(sshd:session): No
> response to query: Would you like to enter a security context? [N]
> Jan 24 19:50:54 localhost sshd[1151]: pam_selinux(sshd:session): Unable
> to get valid context for jp
> Jan 24 19:50:54 localhost sshd[1151]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session
> opened for user jp by (uid=0)
> Jan 24 19:50:54 localhost sshd[1151]: error: PAM: pam_open_session():
> Authentication failure
> Jan 24 19:50:54 localhost sshd[1151]: error: ssh_selinux_setup_pty:
> security_compute_relabel: Invalid argument
> 
> -
> Here is what hits /var/log/audit/audit.log
> 
> type=USER_ACCT msg=audit(1264392255.965:73): user pid=1253 uid=0 auid=0
> ses=3 subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
> msg='op=PAM:accounting acct="jp" exe="/usr/sbin/sshd"
> hostname=192.168.122.1 addr=192.168.122.1 terminal=ssh res=success'
> type=CRED_ACQ msg=audit(1264392255.995:74): user pid=1253 uid=0 auid=0
> ses=3 subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
> msg='op=PAM:setcred acct="jp" exe="/usr/sbin/sshd"
> hostname=192.168.122.1 addr=192.168.122.1 terminal=ssh res=success'
> type=LOGIN msg=audit(1264392255.996:75): login pid=1253 uid=0 old auid=0
> new auid=500 old ses=3 new ses=8
> type=USER_START msg=audit(1264392256.118:76): user pid=1253 uid=0
> auid=500 ses=8
> subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
> msg='op=PAM:session_open acct="jp" exe="/usr/sbin/sshd"
> hostname=192.168.122.1 addr=192.168.122.1 terminal=ssh res=failed'
> type=CRED_ACQ msg=audit(1264392256.125:77): user pid=1256 uid=0 auid=500
> ses=8 subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
> msg='op=PAM:setcred acct="jp" exe="/usr/sbin/sshd"
> hostname=192.168.122.1 addr=192.168.122.1 terminal=ssh res=success'
> type=USER_LOGIN msg=audit(1264392256.130:78): user pid=1253 uid=0
> auid=500 ses=8
> subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 msg='uid=500:
> exe="/usr/sbin/sshd" hostname=192.168.122.1 addr=192.168.122.1
> terminal=/dev/pts/2 res=success'
> type=CRED_DISP msg=audit(1264392256.143:79): user pid=1253 uid=0
> auid=500 ses=8
> subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
> msg='op=PAM:setcred acct="jp" exe="/usr/sbin/sshd"
> hostname=192.168.122.1 addr=192.168.122.1 terminal=ssh res=success'
> 
> -
> 
> 
> From the remote host it appears that a connection is made and then
> immediately closed.
> 
> $ ssh -p 63000 j...@192.168.122.214
> Last login: Sun Jan 24 19:50:54 2010 from 192.168.122.1
> Connection to 192.168.122.214 closed.
> 
> ---
> 
> I'm attaching my sshd config file if you want to try this out.  As the
> config file shows, I'm using a preshared public key and password use is
> disabled as is root login.  Run it by:
> # /usr/sbin/sshd -f sshd_config
> 
> If I disable selinux with setenforce 0, login works fine.
ps -eZ | grep sshd

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Re: Demand for LUKS password blocks boot

[Robin Laing]

On 01/21/2010 08:32 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
>> On 01/21/2010 09:40 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
>>
 From:
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Dracut/Options#crypto_LUKS

 Pass: rd_NO_LUKS to your kernel boot line.

>>
> What happens if you normally want a particular uuid to be activated on
> boot...but there is a power fail and restore at 3am?  Wouldn't you still
> be stuck with a system waiting for the password when what you may want
> would be for the system to come up without that device?  Wouldn't a
> rd_LUKS_timeout=  make sense?
>
>

If a drive is encrypted, where do you expect to get the password from?

I am just curious because I have started to encrypt my drives and I have 
to enter the password on each boot.  It is to ensure that the system 
cannot be accessed unless the password is entered.

Maybe my concept of encrypted partitions is different than yours.

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Re: System-config-display won't Execute.

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 25.01.2010, 14:19 -0500 schrieb Jim:
> FC12-x86_64/KDE
> 
> system-config-display won't execute.
> 
> 
> # system-config-display
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 378, in 
>  dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig, 
> videocard.VideoCardInfo())
>File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py", line 640, 
> in __init__
>  if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies) > 1:
> IndexError: index out-of-bounds

This is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505972

Are you using any proprietary video drivers? If so, disable them and try
again.

Regards,
Christoph


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System-config-display won't Execute.

[Jim]

FC12-x86_64/KDE

system-config-display won't execute.


# system-config-display
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 378, in 
 dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig, 
videocard.VideoCardInfo())
   File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py", line 640, 
in __init__
 if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies) > 1:
IndexError: index out-of-bounds


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anyone have working android SDK on f12 x86_64?

[Robert P. J. Day]

  i started in on this a while back, then got dragged away.  now i
want to finish it, so if anyone has already gone thru this, that would
be just ducky.  if you have no problem with making that recipe
publicly available and have no web page, i can provide one at my wiki
for everyone else's benefit.

  first issue:  AFAIK, you can't create a fully 64-bit install of
that -- you'll need to install a number of 32-bit packages.  but feel
free to convince me otherwise.

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Re: Need the link to change subscriber account, please?

[Dan Thurman]

On 01/25/2010 08:13 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> On Monday 25 January 2010 09:51:18 am Dan Thurman wrote:
>   
>> The old redhat subscriber's link page no longer works,
>> so may I please have the subscriber's account link
>> for fedoraproject.org, please?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Dan
>> 
> It is on the bottom of every email to the list.   It is 
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users  which was answered in 
> your previous thread.
>
> Dennis
>   
OK!  Thanks - I got it all working now!

I was not able to get anything "in the previous threads" because
I was not getting the emails delivered to me.

Thanks again, much!
Dan

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Re: KDE menus slow to appear when using VNC, but OK local

[Lets Go Canes]

Hi all.

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Chris Tyler  wrote:

> Lets Go Canes wrote:
> > 
> > I am having a problem on a laptop where the KDE
> "kickoff application launcher" takes several seconds to
> appear after it is clicked - 30 to 40 seconds would be
> typical.  The same problem exists with the "lock
> screen" and "shutdown/logout" widgets that I have added to
> the taskbar.  The problem only occurs over VNC - it
> does not occur when logged-in to the laptop directly.
> > 
> > The problem would seem to be similar to the one
> discussed at http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=234227 ,
> with the following differences:
> > o problem occurs on a VNC display, but not on the
> laptop's LCD
> > o system uses the radeon driver, not nvidia
> > o system has xorg-x11-server-Xorg.i686 and
> xorg-x11-server-common.i686 1.7.4-1.fc12 installed (I tried
> 1.7.4-4, but it didn't fix the problem, and "broke" the
> laptop display)
> > 
> > Has anyone else seen anything similar, or have any
> suggestions?
> 
> Which VNC server are you using? [...] or
> Xvnc (perhaps
> via vncserver) where the VNC display is not shown on the
> main laptop
> display?

Xvnc via vncserver, created via /etc/sysconfig/vncservers

Thanks!



  
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F8: CPAN problem

[Dan Thurman]

To make a long story short, I was trying to get procmail support added to my
sendmail base in order to get maildir (instead of mbox), and in one of the
instructions on the website it said to install CPAN as follows:

# perl -MCPAN -e shell

Well, I did go through this and it all seemed to work fine,
except in various places where there was NOT OK reported
during the building of certain modules.

I was told to do this as root user, and noticed that it built
/root/.cpan and /root/perl and it probably added stuff to the
/usr/lib/perl paths but I am not certain of that.

Since I was not able to complete this CPAN process, I blew
away the above two directories in /root, restarted the process
and then I got this:

# perl -MCPAN -e shell
Can't locate ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm in @INC (@INC contains:
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7/i386-linux-thread-multi
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.6/i386-linux-thread-multi
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.6 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl
/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi
/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.7/i386-linux-thread-multi
/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.6/i386-linux-thread-multi
/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi
/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.7
/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.6 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.5
/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi
/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8 .) at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/CPAN.pm line 16.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/CPAN.pm line 16.
Compilation failed in require.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted.

On reboot, I got reports in various services being started up and
it appears to display the same information as above.

What can I do to remove or clean up this mess?

It was not until later I discovered perhaps it was not
wise to mix the CPAN method with the CPAN rpms,
but I guess it is a bit too late now.

Kind regards,
Dan

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Re: Need the link to change subscriber account, please?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 07:51 -0800, Dan Thurman wrote:
> The old redhat subscriber's link page no longer works,
> so may I please have the subscriber's account link
> for fedoraproject.org, please?

You've asked this same question several times in the past few days and
it's been repeatedly answered. In case you aren't receiving the list
directly, I'm cc-ing to your address.

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users

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Re: Need the link to change subscriber account, please?

[Dennis Gilmore]

On Monday 25 January 2010 09:51:18 am Dan Thurman wrote:
> The old redhat subscriber's link page no longer works,
> so may I please have the subscriber's account link
> for fedoraproject.org, please?
> 
> Thanks!
> Dan
It is on the bottom of every email to the list.   It is 
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users  which was answered in 
your previous thread.

Dennis


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[389-users] IP Address change

[Mister Anonyme]

Hi,

Soon, we'll change ip adresses on multi-master LDAP servers.

I'm wondering if there are configuration files that we should change ip adress 
in LDAP configuration ?  

Also, is the replication system (master->slave) will be affected even if we use 
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Re: Database disk image is malformed

[Domsch, Matt]

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:38:45PM -0600, James Antill wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-01-22 at 23:06 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote:
> > I ran into this once recently, when I hit Ctrl-C at an inopportune
> > moment while yum was running on that window.  Like you, thought it was
> > the RPM database that was corrupt, and like you did the same thing to
> > no effect.
> > 
> > # yum clean all
> > 
> > had no effect either.
> > 
> > To resolve, I deleted all the contents of /var/lib/yum/.  It's kind of
> > heavyweight, but it resolved it.  You may try simply deleting
> > /var/lib/yum/history/* first, and see if that's sufficient (assuming
> > you don't need to be able to have yum roll back completed transactions
> > to some previous state).  If not, try deleting yumdb/ there.
> > 
> > There may be a better way to handle this, but I'll let the yum experts
> > chime in then.
> 
>  I've seen one other case of this, and indeed it was the yum history DB.
> We can certainly give a better message (running: yum history new, will
> give you a new history DB). But it's annoying that it happens, as AFAIK
> we are using sqlite transactions everywhere.
>  Matt/Jim ... was there anything weird like /var/lib/yum being on NFS or
> anything like that?

For me, /var/lib/yum is on local storage.  I'm sure I did hit Ctrl-C
at some point to try to break out of it while it was downloading
packages.

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Need the link to change subscriber account, please?

[Dan Thurman]

The old redhat subscriber's link page no longer works,
so may I please have the subscriber's account link
for fedoraproject.org, please?

Thanks!
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Re: Where is the link for subscriber's account?

[Dominic Hopf]

Am Montag, den 25.01.2010, 07:22 -0800 schrieb Daniel B. Thurman:
> I need to change my account settings but unable to
> find the link as my old redhat link is no longer valid?
> 
> Thanks!
> Dan
> 

Have a look here:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Regards,
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Re: Where is the link for subscriber's account?

[Michal]

On 25/01/2010 15:22, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> I need to change my account settings but unable to
> find the link as my old redhat link is no longer valid?
> 
> Thanks!
> Dan
> 

You mean the one that's put on to the bottom of everyone's mail in the sig??

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users


It will automatically be places hear, I think


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Where is the link for subscriber's account?

[Daniel B. Thurman]

I need to change my account settings but unable to
find the link as my old redhat link is no longer valid?

Thanks!
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Re: F12 and iTunes

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 08:09 -0600, Steven Stern wrote:
> On 01/25/2010 03:13 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> > Is there a non-wine method of using\iTunes site on Fedeora 12.
> > 
> > It tries to bring up Rhythbox after clicking www.itunes.com/haiti
> > 
> 
> I run XP under VirtualBox in order to use iTunes.  AFAIK, the current
> version of iTunes does not run under Wine.

Same here. AFAIK there is currently no other way to do it.

However, if you just want to synch music to an iPod, gtkpod is a good
option (but check which iPods it supports as this changes from time to
time). Amarok and Banshee are also supposed to be able to do this.

poc

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Re: F12 and iTunes

[Steven Stern]

On 01/25/2010 03:13 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> Is there a non-wine method of using\iTunes site on Fedeora 12.
> 
> It tries to bring up Rhythbox after clicking www.itunes.com/haiti
> 

I run XP under VirtualBox in order to use iTunes.  AFAIK, the current
version of iTunes does not run under Wine.

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Re: How to Install Nvidia and not Nouveau at New Install

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Sun, 2010-01-24 at 22:27 -0500, Jim wrote: 
> FC12-X86_64/KDE
> 
> How do I prevent Nouveau driver from installing at New install , so I 
> can install
> Nvidia ?

No reason not to install nouveau.  Just complete the installation,
enable the rpmfusion repo and yum install akmod-nvidia from there.

The akmod-nvidia package should do everything necessary to run
correctly, although you might need to add "rdblacklist=nouveau" to the
kernel line in /etc/grub.conf by hand.  That will prevent the nouveau
module from loading and setting the graphics mode at boot. 


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Re: File Alteration Monitor

[Waleed Harbi]

*Use cronjob.
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On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Rahul Tidke  wrote:

> > >From: Waleed Harbi [mailto:waleed.ha...@gmail.com]
> > >Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 5:07 PM
> > >To: ra...@excelize.com; Community support for Fedora users
> >> Subject: Re: File Alteration Monitor
>
> >>You just need create ssh keys and use rsync , and here an example:
> >>http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/113847
>
> As I said; I have already done that , I want it to happen in real-time, so
> if some files changed at "location A" then that change should initiate the
> sync to "location B". For this I am trying to setup FAM and IMON on fedora,
> which I am not able to, as there is no kernel support for this. I referred
> following URL; but didn't get any idea how to proceed?
>
> http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/March2001/article199.shtml
>
> Regards
> Rahul.
>
> ra...@excelize.com
> www.exelize.com
>
>
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Re: File Alteration Monitor

[Michal]

> What I want is:
> 1) If a file changes (file contents also) it should fire a command for
> syncing to other network location.

DRBD

http://www.drbd.org/
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Re: How to Install Nvidia and not Nouveau at New Install

[Steven I Usdansky]

- Original Message 

> From: François Patte 
> To: Community support for Fedora users 
> Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 1:50:30 AM
> Subject: Re: How to Install Nvidia and not Nouveau at New Install
> 
> Le 25/01/2010 04:27, Jim a écrit :
> > FC12-X86_64/KDE
> > 
> > How do I prevent Nouveau driver from installing at New install , so I 
> > can install
> > Nvidia ?
> 
> Why do you want to do this? You can install nvidia driver afterwards
 
I can't speak (or write) for the OP, but on my system, both nv and nouveau just 
don't work. As for the OP's question, perhaps switching distros? I'm quite 
content to install the nvidia driver manually - it's a price I willingly pay 
for my choice of hardware and Fedora.



  
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RE: File Alteration Monitor

[Rahul Tidke]

-Original Message-
From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Sam Varshavchik

>> No. Gamin is a replacement for FAM in earlier Fedora releases. Both use
the same kernel API.

>> You might be misundersting what Gamin/FAM is. It is not a tool for
synchronizing contents of directories. It's an API by which an application
gets notified whenever >> the contents of a directory change. By "contents
of a directory" means "the names of files in a directory", that is "when new
files are created in a directory, existing >> files are removed, or
renamed", and not "contents of any file in a directory". As such, there is
nothing to configure. An application uses the appropriate Gamin/FAM >> API,
and then gets notified when that happens.

I am referring http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/March2001/article199.shtml
& http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/faq.html , which says FAM can report when
a file is created, deleted, modified, or executed. So if a file gets
modified , isn't that sufficient to initiate sync to other location? Please
correct me if I am wrong.

What I want is:
1) If a file changes (file contents also) it should fire a command for
syncing to other network location.

Thanks.

Rahul.



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RE: File Alteration Monitor

[Rahul Tidke]

> >From: Waleed Harbi [mailto:waleed.ha...@gmail.com] 
> >Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 5:07 PM
> >To: ra...@excelize.com; Community support for Fedora users
>> Subject: Re: File Alteration Monitor

>>You just need create ssh keys and use rsync , and here an example:
>>http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/113847

As I said; I have already done that , I want it to happen in real-time, so if 
some files changed at "location A" then that change should initiate the sync to 
"location B". For this I am trying to setup FAM and IMON on fedora, which I am 
not able to, as there is no kernel support for this. I referred following URL; 
but didn't get any idea how to proceed?

http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/March2001/article199.shtml

Regards
Rahul.

ra...@excelize.com 
www.exelize.com 

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Re: File Alteration Monitor

[Sam Varshavchik]

Rahul Tidke writes:


Hi Guys!
  I am trying to sync two network locations in real-time (with acceptable
time lag) and just found this FAM and IMON from SGI
(http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/faq.html) , I also found one package Gamin
but don't know how to setup this. Can someone point me in right direction to
achieve this?


yum install gamin

There's nothing else to set up.


I am able to rsync two locations using simple cron job and RSA key
authentication (password less, using Keychain). 


Do I need to build a custom kernel for this (FAM and IMON)?


No. Gamin is a replacement for FAM in earlier Fedora releases. Both use the 
same kernel API.


You might be misundersting what Gamin/FAM is. It is not a tool for 
synchronizing contents of directories. It's an API by which an application 
gets notified whenever the contents of a directory change. By "contents of a 
directory" means "the names of files in a directory", that is "when new 
files are created in a directory, existing files are removed, or renamed", 
and not "contents of any file in a directory". As such, there is nothing to 
configure. An application uses the appropriate Gamin/FAM API, and then gets 
notified when that happens.





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Re: File Alteration Monitor

[Waleed Harbi]

*You just need create ssh keys and use rsync , and here an example:
http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/113847


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On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Rahul Tidke  wrote:

> Hi Guys!
>  I am trying to sync two network locations in real-time (with acceptable
> time lag) and just found this FAM and IMON from SGI
> (http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/faq.html) , I also found one package
> Gamin
> but don't know how to setup this. Can someone point me in right direction
> to
> achieve this?
>
> I am able to rsync two locations using simple cron job and RSA key
> authentication (password less, using Keychain).
>
> Do I need to build a custom kernel for this (FAM and IMON)?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rahul.
>
> ra...@excelize.com
> www.excelize.com
>
>
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File Alteration Monitor

[Rahul Tidke]

Hi Guys!
  I am trying to sync two network locations in real-time (with acceptable
time lag) and just found this FAM and IMON from SGI
(http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/faq.html) , I also found one package Gamin
but don't know how to setup this. Can someone point me in right direction to
achieve this?

I am able to rsync two locations using simple cron job and RSA key
authentication (password less, using Keychain). 

Do I need to build a custom kernel for this (FAM and IMON)?

Thank you.

Regards,

Rahul.

ra...@excelize.com 
www.excelize.com



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Re: How to Install Nvidia and not Nouveau at New Install

[Anthony Messina]

On Sunday 24 January 2010 21:27:06 Jim wrote:
> FC12-X86_64/KDE
> 
> How do I prevent Nouveau driver from installing at New install , so I 
> can install
> Nvidia ?
 
http://rpmfusion.org/Howto/nVidia
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Re: Using Xandr

[Anthony Messina]

On Friday 22 January 2010 18:49:12 Jim wrote:
> On 01/22/2010 06:59 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote:
> > xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1024x768
> >
> 
> Thanks Sam, that changed the resolution, but when I reboot it won't hold 
> the settings , it goes back to where it was.
> 

If you create and /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, you should be able to specify that 
you want this change to "stay"

Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "VGA-0"
Option   "PreferredMode" "1024x768"
EndSection


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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Gilboa Davara]

On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 17:30 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Bill Davidsen wrote:
> > Marcel Rieux wrote:
> >   
> >> Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the
> >> question here.
> >>
> >> I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
> >>
> >> First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with
> >> NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and
> >> one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire
> >> going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow
> >> facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of
> >> course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
> >>
> >> Anybody got this working?
> >> 
> >
> > Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is 
> > a PA 
> > config issue.
> >
> >   
> That is actually a very good question
> 
> Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards
> (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a
> pass though.  One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to
> either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on
> your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to
> the HDMI. 
> 
> So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.
> 
> FWIW, this also seems to indicate that the Nvidia drivers are not used
> for this functions.

I second that.
Is one of your sound card connected via a pass-through to the graphics
card?
Is it configured correctly in the gnome-volume-control applet under
output devices? (Accessible from both GNOME and KDE)

- Gilboa


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Re: vlogger installation

[Jatin K]

On 01/25/2010 01:27 PM, sandeep Patel wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jatin K  > wrote:
>
> On 01/23/2010 02:04 PM, sandeep Patel wrote:
> > hello,
> > Could anyone tell me how to install vlogger sofware? And how
> > to use it?
> >
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> are you talking about video blogging ??? or the key logger for
> linux 
>
>
> please define the matter  and see the link [1]
>
> [1] http://n0rp.chemlab.org/vlogger/
>
> I am talking about the keylogger for linux.
>
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download it from here[1] ...and go extract it and read the readme.txt 
file ...everything is there  what you need to know

[1] http://packetstormsecurity.org/linux/security/vlogger-2.1.1.tar.gz

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Re: NVIDIA: no sound to TV via HDMI

[Ed Greshko]

Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>   
>> Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the
>> question here.
>>
>> I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
>>
>> First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with
>> NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and
>> one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire
>> going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow
>> facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of
>> course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
>>
>> Anybody got this working?
>> 
>
> Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a 
> PA 
> config issue.
>
>   
That is actually a very good question

Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards
(assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a
pass though.  One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to
either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on
your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to
the HDMI. 

So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.

FWIW, this also seems to indicate that the Nvidia drivers are not used
for this function.






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F12 and iTunes

[Frank Murphy]

Is there a non-wine method of using\iTunes site on Fedeora 12.

It tries to bring up Rhythbox after clicking www.itunes.com/haiti

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Re: xorg version?

[Arjun Pakrashi]

Hello,
You could get the xorg version with the below command

$ Xorg -version

This gives details.

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:02:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Patrick Bartek 
Subject: Re: xorg version?
To: Community support for Fedora users 
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--- On Sat, 1/23/10, Tom Horsley  wrote:

> OK, I give up :-).
> 
> How the devil do I ask the question "What xorg release
> am I running"?
> 
> Every xorg rpm has completely different version numbers,
> and none of them look much like the xorg release numbers
> like 6.8 or 7.4 (or whatever they are up to these days).

I use yum to get version info when I can't get it otherwise.

yum info xorg*

will print out all xorg modules and their versions. I think you probably are 
looking for the xorg-x11-server-common version.

B

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