firefox profile synchronized w. unison cannot save anything

[Vitorio Okio]

I have 3 PCs running Hardy, Karmic, and Fedora 12, with Firefox on each 
of them: v. 3.0.18 on Hardy and v. 3.5.8 on both Karmic and Fedora. 

I created "shared" profile on each system and synchronize them using 
Unison. Ubuntu 8.04 is a base system for synchronization.

The synchronization itself works just fine on all 3 systems.  No problems 
what's ever on either of Ubuntu's.

In Fedora however I'm having a problem. While using "shared" profile I 
can save neither a web page nor a download (unless I use some of add-on' 
as described below).

If either Save Page As... or Save Link As... menu items are selected the 
requests are simply ignored with no response from FF. However using 
Download Them All ad-on does the job. Equally Scrapbook add-on allows me 
to save/capture pages.

The default profile works as expected.  

I thought SELinux is on the way but disabling it (for a test sake) did 
not changed things. All permissions in "shared" profile directory to me 
look OK.

I'm new to Fedora and cannot figure it out myself, need you help, folks.

Thanks.

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Re: Sorbet on Fedora's future

[Paul Allen Newell]

Michael Miles wrote:
> Please stop this post.. On and on and on and on
>
>
>
>   
This is the first sensible post on this thread since it started.

Paul
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Re: midori in LXDE/F-12 spin

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi Ranjan,

On Monday 22 March 2010 06:31 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
>>> I think
>>> other users may also benefit, so something similar to this could be
>>> considered for inclusion in the default LXDE spin for F13?
>>
>> I think this is a very special case. There already is the cpu-monitor
>> plugin in lxpanel which should be sufficient for most users.
>
> I am not so sure. The cpu load monitor does not show processors/cores
> being used, the memory used/available or the swap. These are very
> important for a low-resource machine or for users for whom conserving
> resources is important. Without  a monitor, conservation is not that
> feasible. [Xfce has this feature (I forget what it is called, haven't
> used it since Fedora 11).] So, it might be beneficial to have some way
> of displaying cpu (core)/memory/swap. This is provided for by xosview,
> but other approaches may exist.
>
> Same goes for the network status monitor, which would benefit by having
> some graphical display. Right now, unless I don't know how to set this
> up, my network status monitor just blinks. Only if I click on it do I
> get a window ala Windoze which tells me the number of packets received
> and sent (presumably) since connection. It would be more useful to get
> current rates of uploading and downloading to help in diagnosis for
> connections that get stalled for some reason. The information is all
> there, no question, so it is really a point of whether we can put it in
> as a metered graphical display.
>

Have you tried conky? Its pretty cool and customisable. I know it 
probably doesn't fit into the discussion about a spin's default resource 
monitor applet, but for personal use its too good.

Here is my setup with WindowMaker. If you request I can share my 
~/.conkyrc too. ;)


> Many thanks again and best wishes,
> Ranjan

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Re: AppArmor about to be merged into the kernel?

[Marcel Rieux]

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote:

> On 22 March 2010 22:36, Marcel Rieux  wrote:
> > Suse uses AppArmor without kernel integration and I'm not sure what
> support
> > they offer for the project. They bought AppArmor and later licensed
> > everybody except maybe 2 developers (not sure).
> >
> > Anyways, Novell is pretty much a living dead. Its Novell business is, of
> > course, dead and Suse still lives because it's on a live support line
> from
> > Microsoft.
>
> Do yourself a favour. Don't try to pass your opinions off as fact.
> Novell is very much alive.
>

I must confess that I'm not very strong on opinions; I'm better on facts.

2006. Microsoft sends a letter to Red Hat pretending that the Linux kernel
infringes 235 of their patents and that they'll have to pay royalties. Red
Hat answers: "Yeah, no problem! Send the patent list." Somehow, it seems
that Microsoft lost the list. Red Hat, who was eager to pay, never received
it.

Novell, on the other side, didn't ask for the list. They crawled to
Microsoft asking no question and signed. Of course, the deal wasn't that
bad.

"The deal involves upfront payment of $348 million from Microsoft to Novell
for patent cooperation and SLES subscription. Novell will pay around $40
million to Microsoft over 5 years."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novell#Agreement_with_Microsoft

http://www.google.ca/search?q=novell+2006+%24348+million

In other words, Microsoft paid ~$148 million to drive a wedge into the Linux
community and Novell was glad to comply.

Here's the result:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=NOVL&annual

Now, the shares are gaining on an "offer" of a $2B buyout... which the
Novell board of course refused as way too low.

People usually have opinions to make up for their ignorance of facts.
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Re: Pairing to a Nokia 7020

[Sam Varshavchik]

Clint Dilks writes:


On 23/03/10 14:46, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
After some futzing around, I managed to pair with my laptop with this 
phone. I think.


The bluetooth applet's dropdown window does not show the phone in its 
main dropdown list. It shows my other bluetooth device. However, I can 
open "Send files to device…", select some files, and the next dialog 
window includes the Nokia 7020 in the list of Bluetooth devices. I can 
select it there, and be able to succesfully transfer some files to the 
phone.


So, looks like things are working on the basic level, but the phone 
not showing on the main applet dropdown, together with the "send files 
to" shortcut, seems to suggest something might be partially broken. 
Anyone knows why?



Is your phone advertising itself or configured as hidden ?


It's advertising itself. On the phone itself, the setting is called "shown 
to all".


This is repeatable behavior. In preferences, the phone is listed as a paired 
device. I can manually remove it, then go to set up a new device.


The bluetooth applet then scans for visible devices, and sees the phone. If 
I tell it to pair with it, it shows me the pin, then I enter the pin on the 
phone, and the phone then claims that it succesfully paired. However there 
is no visible change in the bluetooth applet after the pairing. It is still 
showing me the pin. The only available widget is "cancel". I cancel it out. 
The phone is now listed as a paired device, but is missing from bluetooth's 
desktop menu, but I can select "send files to the device", and send files to 
the phone that way.





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Re: Pairing to a Nokia 7020

[Clint Dilks]

On 23/03/10 14:46, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> After some futzing around, I managed to pair with my laptop with this 
> phone. I think.
>
> The bluetooth applet's dropdown window does not show the phone in its 
> main dropdown list. It shows my other bluetooth device. However, I can 
> open "Send files to device…", select some files, and the next dialog 
> window includes the Nokia 7020 in the list of Bluetooth devices. I can 
> select it there, and be able to succesfully transfer some files to the 
> phone.
>
> So, looks like things are working on the basic level, but the phone 
> not showing on the main applet dropdown, together with the "send files 
> to" shortcut, seems to suggest something might be partially broken. 
> Anyone knows why?
>
Is your phone advertising itself or configured as hidden ?
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Pairing to a Nokia 7020

[Sam Varshavchik]

After some futzing around, I managed to pair with my laptop with this phone. 
I think.


The bluetooth applet's dropdown window does not show the phone in its main 
dropdown list. It shows my other bluetooth device. However, I can open "Send 
files to device…", select some files, and the next dialog window includes 
the Nokia 7020 in the list of Bluetooth devices. I can select it there, and 
be able to succesfully transfer some files to the phone.


So, looks like things are working on the basic level, but the phone not 
showing on the main applet dropdown, together with the "send files to" 
shortcut, seems to suggest something might be partially broken. Anyone knows 
why?




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Re: midori in LXDE/F-12 spin

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 03:02:47 +0100 Christoph Wickert
> > Yes, LXDE has been fabulous, as has been Fedora, no question. I don't
> > know what the occasional rants are about.
> 
> What rants? I hope I didn't miss anything?! I'm trying to follow this
> list for at least all Xfce and LXDE issues or whatever affects my
> packages.

I was talking about Fedora in general here.
 
> > I find midori to be a pretty good option, fast and
> > lightweight. But security is a major issue, especially for the user
> > who will not be installing much more beyond the basic system. Just my
> > thoughts.
> 
> I think security is not so much a concern as usability.

I respectfully disagree on this one. Bill Gates had exactly the same
point on security versus features and see where that took MS. Linux is
known to be secure so we should make sure that that is not compromised.
Of course, it is not a problem for the user me who will go ahead
and install FF and choose the browser for use accordingly, but the
unsophisticated user may not be aware of all this, in the absence of
warnings.
>  
> > > Another problem is that midori doesn't support the java plugin, that's
> > > why I left java out of the LXDE Spin. This problem could be addressed
> > > with firefox too. 
> > > 
> > > I still don't know if I like switching, but I'm open to suggestions.
> > > Feedback is very welcome.
> > >

It is not an easy choice, no question! Perhaps we can push midori
developers respectfully to focus on adding the layers of security that
FF has.

> > 
> > On a different point, I was wondering how to include xosview into the
> > panel? The trouble with xload (the load monitor) is that it does not
> > show me what the multiple cores/CPUS are doing at a time. However, I
> > can not figure out how to put in xosview in the panel so that it would
> > show me the CPU, memory and swap usage. Do you know? 
> 
> You could try alltray to get xload into the tray of lxpanel. However it
> will require a large panel I guess.
 
How does one do this? I find that there is an rpm. Where?
 
> > I think
> > other users may also benefit, so something similar to this could be
> > considered for inclusion in the default LXDE spin for F13?
> 
> I think this is a very special case. There already is the cpu-monitor
> plugin in lxpanel which should be sufficient for most users.

I am not so sure. The cpu load monitor does not show processors/cores
being used, the memory used/available or the swap. These are very
important for a low-resource machine or for users for whom conserving
resources is important. Without  a monitor, conservation is not that
feasible. [Xfce has this feature (I forget what it is called, haven't
used it since Fedora 11).] So, it might be beneficial to have some way
of displaying cpu (core)/memory/swap. This is provided for by xosview,
but other approaches may exist. 

Same goes for the network status monitor, which would benefit by having
some graphical display. Right now, unless I don't know how to set this
up, my network status monitor just blinks. Only if I click on it do I
get a window ala Windoze which tells me the number of packets received
and sent (presumably) since connection. It would be more useful to get
current rates of uploading and downloading to help in diagnosis for
connections that get stalled for some reason. The information is all
there, no question, so it is really a point of whether we can put it in
as a metered graphical display.

> Currently there is not much we can do. There are no Xfce packages in the
> spin, but some GNOME ones such as NetworkManager-gnome and all it's
> deps. I'm afraid there currently is no alternative. wicd for example
> uses more resources and has less functionality. LXNM is not working and
> is going to be completely rewritten from scratch.

I agree with regard to NM. It does not look like can be changed. Can we
also look at other cdburners?


Many thanks again and best wishes,
Ranjan
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Re: Help -- no audio device

[Tim]

On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 06:03 -0400, John Aldrich wrote:
> I don't have a "pulseaudio" option in XMMS.

Where did you look?

It's in its preferences, audio i/o plugins section, output plugin.

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Re: AppArmor about to be merged into the kernel?

[Sam Sharpe]

On 22 March 2010 22:36, Marcel Rieux  wrote:
> Suse uses AppArmor without kernel integration and I'm not sure what support
> they offer for the project. They bought AppArmor and later licensed
> everybody except maybe 2 developers (not sure).
>
> Anyways, Novell is pretty much a living dead. Its Novell business is, of
> course, dead and Suse still lives because it's on a live support line from
> Microsoft.

Do yourself a favour. Don't try to pass your opinions off as fact.
Novell is very much alive.

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Re: Sorbet on Fedora's future

[Marcel Rieux]

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:

> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
> >> Are you saying that if you run Linux, and then re-boot, and enter the
> >> BIOS, it is changed in some way?
> >
> > I would think this is exactly what I said.
>
> What you actually said was
> 
> (1) The only option available in my Gigabyte MA770T-UD3P's BIOS
> offering only options for entering passwords, for exemple.
> 
>

What I actually wrote is:

"I tehn boot Linux, reboot,:no more options. After I boot now, I see
"Verifying
DMI pool data AMD data change Update new data to DMI" It might or might not
be related to my problem. I have no idea."

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Re: AppArmor about to be merged into the kernel?

[Marcel Rieux]

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Don Quixote de la Mancha <
quix...@dulcineatech.com> wrote:

> Perhaps someone could post a brief note that compares and contrasts
> SELinux with AppArmor.
>
> I am getting ready to set up SELinux on a server, but haven't actually
> started yet.  My first step would be to purchase a good technical book
> on SELinux, as what little experience I already have with SELinux
> suggests that it is not for the faint of heart.
>
> Would I be better off using AppArmor instead?


I don't think so.


>  Or could the two of
> them be used in combination?
>

I don't think so.

Suse uses AppArmor without kernel integration and I'm not sure what support
they offer for the project. They bought AppArmor and later licensed
everybody except maybe 2 developers (not sure).

Anyways, Novell is pretty much a living dead. Its Novell business is, of
course, dead and Suse still lives because it's on a live support line from
Microsoft.

Some people say they're not not idealist and they'll go with whoever gives
them an edge. 1st, my not sure what kind of an edge Suse offers. Then, in
such cases, what usually happens, is a deeper layer of reality creeps out to
the edge that first sight "realists" are standing on :)

Mandriva, uses some components of AppArmor, but what exactly is very
unclear.

Now, John Johansen, who used to develop for Suse seems to be working for
Canonical. The road to inclusion in the kernel seems to have been bumpy:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.lsm/10443/focus=10456

Maybe Canonical will finally do something with AppArmor. The attitude of
Torvalds and Molnar seems to be to give the runner a chance. (French
expression. Not sure what the English equivalent is. Hum... Wait and see,
maybe.) But whether this will work perfectly in Ubuntu 10.4 raises a big
question mark.

I wouldn't think you're losing your time with SELinux and a Red Hat product
or derivative. (Of course, you're aware that if I thought Red Hat was doing
a sloppy job with its server product, I wouldn't wrap my answer in 3 layers
of fancy papers :)

I never had problems with SELinux. As I said, for a few weeks, I had the
abrt red hat flashing often but, geeky as I am, I'm not sure that it was
SELInux related. It's back to normal. It now flashes only if I remove my
flash drive without unmounting. On a server, YMMV, but I'd first consult Red
Hat documentation, then, http://oreilly.com/  10 days Free Safari trial
offer, before going on a book buy out spree.

The 2¢ of a non-geek.

Anyways, did Quixote ever run away from challenges :)
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Re: Hibernate and OpenVPN

[Greg Woods]

On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 21:43 +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Greg Woods wrote:
> 
> > Related to the original topic, I use an ipsec-tools style VPN, and it
> > recovers automatically on wakeup.
> 
> I'm not sure what this means.
> What did you do, exactly?

To fully answer this question would be a major research project, since
it has been an ongoing project for several years and I have never really
documented everything I did. But basically it involves installing the
ipsec-tools package, creating a racoon.conf file on each end, generating
a cert for the server and client (and installing them on each side), and
generating an appropriate config file for "setkey" to route traffic
through the tunnel. Cert authentication can happen with no intervention,
the tunnel is set up inside the kernel automatically. The racoon daemon
is only for doing the session key negotiation (IKE).

Complicating this has been dealing with one of the clients being behind
a NAT box, the NAT box itself having a dynamic IP address, etc. But it
works reliably and it comes up automatically on resume.

You can start with the ipsec-tools home page at:

http://ipsec-tools.sourceforge.net/

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Re: Sorbet on Fedora's future

[Timothy Murphy]

Marcel Rieux wrote:

>> Are you saying that if you run Linux, and then re-boot, and enter the
>> BIOS, it is changed in some way?
> 
> I would think this is exactly what I said.

What you actually said was

(1) The only option available in my Gigabyte MA770T-UD3P's BIOS
offering only options for entering passwords, for exemple.


I didn't find this very clear;
that is why I asked the question above.

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Re: Running X window programs from PM suspend-resume scripts

[Serguei Miridonov]

On Monday 22 March 2010, Chris Tyler wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 22:38 +0200, Serguei Miridonov wrote:
> > On Monday 22 March 2010, Chris Tyler wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 21:10 +0200, Serguei Miridonov wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > Is there a trick to run X window programs from PM
> > > > suspend-resume hooks? For example, I need to restore
> > > > keyboard mapping after suspend to RAM using
> > > > 
> > > > xkbcomp some_file.xkm :0.0
> > > > 
> > > > Running this in
> > > > 
> > > > #!/bin/bash
> > > > DISPLAY=":0.0"
> > > > export DISPLAY
> > > > case $1 in
> > > > 
> > > > hibernate | suspend)
> > > > 
> > > > ;;
> > > > 
> > > > thaw | resume)
> > > > 
> > > > sleep 2
> > > > 
> > > > chvt 1
> > > > sleep 1
> > > > xkbcomp /etc/X11/GoodKeyMap.xkm $DISPLAY
> > > > ;;
> > > > 
> > > > *)
> > > > 
> > > > ;;
> > > > 
> > > > esac
> > > > exit 0
> > > > 
> > > > gives an error: Cannot open display ":0.0"
> > > > 
> > > > Any idea?
> > > 
> > > Sounds like a problem with auth. Try setting the XAUTHORITY
> > > environment variable, perhaps?
> > 
> > OK, I have changed the script adding the line
> > 
> > user=`who | grep -e ' :0' | sed 's/ *:0.*$//'`
> > 
> > and then running the required command as
> > 
> > su - $user -c "xkbcomp /etc/X11/GoodKeyMap.xkm $DISPLAY"
> > 
> > It works now. Is there a something simpler?
> 
> This works because, with a HOME directory specified, the xkbcomp
> command can find the ~/.Xauthority file to get the magic cookie
> for display connection authentication.
> 
> You should be able to set the XAUTHORITY environment variable to
> the absolute path of the .Xauthority file instead of using su (try
> something like: export XAUTHORITY=/home/${user}/.Xauthority)

Yes, this works too. Thanks.

Serguei


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Re: AppArmor about to be merged into the kernel?

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

Don Quixote de la Mancha  writes:
> Heh.  That's a good point, but I would remind all of you that SELinux
> comes from No Such Agency.
>
> Which Evil is the Lesser?

Are you sure you are asking the right question?  I'm more interested in
which evil is *stronger*.  Would you rather have Novell or the NSA
on your side. ;-)

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Re: chainloader +1, again

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 22 March 2010, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:28:46 -0400, Gene wrote:
>> >> So I booted normally to F10 & kernel 2.6.34-rc2, and I have now tried
>> >> to add a chainloader stanza to my grub.conf here on /dev/sda1 that
>> >> will cause it to reload grub from /dev/sdb1.
>> >>
>> >> Is anything missing?
>> >
>> >Two things. Confirmation that there really is a GRUB in /dev/sdb1's boot
>> >sector and not in /dev/sdb's MBR. And you forgot to show what you added
>> >to your F10's grub.conf.
>>
>> 1. I told it to put it in the MBR.
>
>That would be /dev/sdb = (hd1) and not /dev/sdb1 = (hd1,0).
>
>>  The string 'GRUB' exists in the MBR, but
>> there was a grub 2 install there prior from a mint8 install.
>>
>> 2.:
>> #26
>> title   Fedora 12 64 bit from sdb by chainloading
>> rootnoverify (hd1,0)
>> makeactive
>> chainloader +1
>
>The comment is wrong. It tries to chainload /dev/sdb1 not the MBR.
>The "makeactive" or "makeactive 1" typically is not necessary.
>
>Do you see (hd1) in your F10's /boot/grub/device.map?
>And what does /boot/grub/device.map on /dev/sdb1 contain?
>
I played with that some on the f12 disk, and yes, f10's device map is in 
order, all bootable disks are listed in sata jack order, skipping the 
Terrabyte drive I use for amanda.


Thanks Michael.

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Re: chainloader +1, again

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 22 March 2010, Will Walthall wrote:
>I should be around for a few hours, so we could take some of this to
>pastebin.  To give you the full list of commands you need to reinstall
>all your grub's and setup all your menu.lst's correctly I need to see
>your current menu.lst's.
>
Unforch, I am somewhat occupied the rest of the early part of the evening.  
The missus, a retired school teacher, has a meeting tonight, and maybe a 
funeral tomorrow.

Thanks, Will.  I'll put some of that up on pastebin.ca either late tonight or 
tomorrow, and post the links of course.

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Re: Hibernate and OpenVPN

[Timothy Murphy]

Greg Woods wrote:

> Related to the original topic, I use an ipsec-tools style VPN, and it
> recovers automatically on wakeup.

I'm not sure what this means.
What did you do, exactly?

> It was a pain to get configured and
> working to start with, but once in place, it is virtually automatic
> using certificates to authenticate.

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Re: How do I turn down the volume on a system beep ?

[Charlie Brej]

On 03/22/2010 08:20 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 19:16 +, Charlie Brej wrote:
>> On 03/22/2010 05:36 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 18:30 +0100, Henrik Frisk wrote:
>> System beeps, ie Evolution receiving a new email are very loud.  How do
>> I turn them down ?
>
> I want to keep the volume I have for media listening, I want to keep the
> system warnings but just at a lower volume.
>
 $ xset -b 50
>>>
>>> Its actually xset b 50, not xset -b 50.
>>>
>>> Thanks !
>>
>> Actually, neither of those work on x86 PCs. There is an option in X but
>> it doesn't do anything. You can change the pitch but not the volume. I
>> tried a while back to offer a patch to the kernel to enable this, but no
>> one was that interested because the system bell was essentially dead.
>
> If its not used, why is it beeping on my machine ?

Dont get me wrong, it is used, it's just that it is not something that 
is actively developed for as it is an arcane element. It was originally 
driven by a horrid old timer chip (8253) and attaching the system 
speaker to one of the pins was rather abusive. So you could change the 
frequency of the tone, but not the volume. You can turn the pitch down 
which will make it seem quieter.

> Do I have something set up wrong in my sound configuration ?

Do you want to just turn it off? If you have speakers then gnome (and I 
assume kde too) offers a sound based alert under sound effects in the 
sound preferences.
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Re: Sorbet on Fedora's future

[Marcel Rieux]

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
> Are you saying that if you run Linux, and then re-boot, and enter the BIOS,
> it is changed in some way?
>

I would think this is exactly what I said.

>
> > When I say that open source's landscape has changed a lot in the last
> year
> > or so, do you disagree?
>
> I'm probably not very observant, or sensitive;
> I haven't noticed any change at all, big or little.
>

No, you're certainly not very observant.


>
> > Though there will always remain people developing
> > for free because they believe in a project, don't you think that the
> trend
> > is going towards more paid developers for the desktop?
>
> As I am afraid is often the case, I'm not sure what you mean.
> Are you saying that more Linux (or Fedora?) developers
> are working for HP, Intel, etc, than used to be the case?
>
> HP, maybe not. Never heard about Moblin, Meego, Chrome, ChromeOS, Chromium,
Android? Indeed, you're certainly not very observant. Some are under a GPL
license, some BSD, some still undetermined.
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Re: chainloader +1, again

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 22 March 2010, Will Walthall wrote:
>So I made the assumption that your part layout was /dev/sdb1 f10
>system, /dev/sdb2 f12 system.
>
>Option #1 Install grub to the MBR of /dev/sdb
>Option #2 Install grub to the partition of /dev/sdb1
>
>Lots of things you need to consider, one you dont want to break
>
>Do you Chainload into mandriva aswell? is the Mandriva boot installed
>to MBR /dev/sdd or in the partition /dev/sdd1?
>
>Steps I would take:
>:Reinstall grub to the MBR of /dev/sda and make sure that it has these 3
>: devices
>
>-grub prompt in f10-
>device (hd0) /dev/sda  //f10
>device (hd1) /dev/sdb  //f12
>device (hd2) /dev/sdd  //mandriva
>root (hd0,0)
>setup (hd0)

This did not return any errors, so I am off to try it.

And, and hour later, it failed, error 13. Invalid file format or some such 
drivel.

The hour was because it decided to do an e2fsck on /usr, which is something 
over half a Tb.

>Option #1
>
>:Reinstall grub to the MBR of /dev/sdb
>
>device (hd0) /dev/sdb  // This grub is isolated from the MBR one on
>/dev/sda so I believe this is correct, I've never done something like
>this personally, though I've messed around with grub alot
>root (hd0,0)
>setup (hd0)
>
>: Make sure all your entries in menu.lst for f10 are correct
>
># Again I think this is correct, though I haven't done anything like
>this, I have chainloaded into grub installed to a partition, but not
>into one installed to another MBR on a seperate drive
>title Fedora 12
>root (hd1,1)
>chainloader (hd1)+1

Now I have done this, and will try it.  And this reverts to the grub screen 
from /dev/sda in about 4 seconds, silently.

>Don't do anything till we have another exchange of dialog, my previous
>message didn't take into account your non simple partition layout.
>
Humm, I didn't read this far, so I did it anyway.  Sorry.

>-Will
>
Thanks Will.

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Re: Shut down with usb connected [solved]

[Andres Felipe Acosta Gil]

Hey all, i'm sorry for not taking a look at my computer's user guide first,
anyway if anybody have the same computer and experiment the same
problem,just hold the power button for ten seconds and thats it, problem
 solved. However i think its kind of weird because my computer always
functioned well without having to do so, i guess that's beacuse my computer
overheated, beacuse when i did that thing the fan of the computer started to
work hard, i noted it because of the loud sound of the fan,
The subject of this mail had nothing to do with fedora.

2010/3/21 Michael Miles 

>  On 03/21/2010 05:03 PM, Andres Felipe Acosta Gil wrote:
>
> I'll be more specific: my computer is a TOSHIBA Satellite U505, when i turn
> it on,  there are two options F2: Setup and F12:enter boot menu. If i press
> F2, i go to "Aptio Setup utility", here i can change the boot order, there
> are three options:
>
> Boot option number one: TOSHIBA MK5055GSX
> Boot option number one: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GU10F
> Boot option number one: Realtek boot agent.
>
> I have changed the order to all the possible combinations and i still have
> the same results.
>
>  2010/3/21 Steven P. Ulrick 
>
>> > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Andres Felipe Acosta Gil
>> >  wrote:
>> > > Hey all, i shut down my computer with a usb memory connectad, then i
>> > > disconnected it when the computer was turned down, when i turned on
>> the
>> > > computer, a black screen appears and a prompt (i cant type anithing),
>> and
>> > > fedora or windows doesn't boot. What should i do??
>> >
>> > Go into your PC's BIOS right when it boots.  That's usually done by
>> > holding the Delete key during boot, but your PC might use a different
>> > key.
>> >
>> > Your BIOS should have a "Boot" section.  Look over the items in the
>> > boot order listing, then make any changes to ensure that both the
>> > listed devices and their boot order is completely correct.
>> >
>> > On my own box, my Supermicro X7DWA-N motherboard mangles the boot
>> > order every time I change the connectivity of any storage devices.
>> > The result is almost always that I cannot boot until I myself do what
>> > I just told you to do.
>> >
>> > And yes, that is a glaring firmware bug, and really inexcusable for a
>> > high-end server motherboard, but there it is.
>>
>>  Hello Don,
>> I almost did not read this thread, since the subject said "Shut down" and
>> not "Boot Up"...  But I'm glad I did not pass this by!  As soon as I
>> reboot, I'm going to try this on my SuperMicro 5046AXB.  If I leave my MP3
>> player plugged in when I re-boot, my system will not start...
>>
>> So, off to my BIOS...
>>
>> Steven P. Ulrick
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>
>
> You could disable the usb boot option in bios to not deal with this again.
> It can always be enabled
>
> Boot cdrom ,HD only
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Re: [OT] Deafening silence

[Bill Davidsen]

Craig White wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 15:26 -0800, Russell Miller wrote:
>> On Saturday 13 March 2010 02:58:48 pm Craig White wrote:
> 
>> The users and bug reports are, by and large, irrelevant.  Mine certainly 
>> have 
>> been.  As I said, sometimes I did not give enough info, but it also really 
>> didn't *matter*.
> 
> would like to relate something very funny about bug reporting.
> 
> I reported a bug to Ximian (gnome-evolution) more than 5 years ago and
> it just got picked up today...
> 
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271193
> 
> Of course I had completely forgotten about this bug report I made and in
> the spirit of better late than never, I suppose I am glad.
> 
> Bug reports are not always irrelevant but sometimes it seems that way.
> 
Seamonkey 2.0.1 fixed a bug I reported in about 1995 or so. Unlike the Linux 
kernel there's no easy way to put patches out, so fixing a bug becomes a 
lifetime job.

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Re: Running X window programs from PM suspend-resume scripts

[Chris Tyler]

On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 22:38 +0200, Serguei Miridonov wrote:
> On Monday 22 March 2010, Chris Tyler wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 21:10 +0200, Serguei Miridonov wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > Is there a trick to run X window programs from PM suspend-resume
> > > hooks? For example, I need to restore keyboard mapping after
> > > suspend to RAM using
> > > 
> > > xkbcomp some_file.xkm :0.0
> > > 
> > > Running this in
> > > 
> > > #!/bin/bash
> > > DISPLAY=":0.0"
> > > export DISPLAY
> > > case $1 in
> > > 
> > > hibernate | suspend)
> > >   
> > >   ;;
> > >   
> > > thaw | resume)
> > > 
> > > sleep 2
> > >   
> > >   chvt 1
> > >   sleep 1
> > >   xkbcomp /etc/X11/GoodKeyMap.xkm $DISPLAY
> > >   ;;
> > >   
> > > *)
> > > 
> > > ;;
> > > 
> > > esac
> > > exit 0
> > > 
> > > gives an error: Cannot open display ":0.0"
> > > 
> > > Any idea?
> > 
> > Sounds like a problem with auth. Try setting the XAUTHORITY
> > environment variable, perhaps?
> 
> OK, I have changed the script adding the line
> 
> user=`who | grep -e ' :0' | sed 's/ *:0.*$//'`
> 
> and then running the required command as
> 
> su - $user -c "xkbcomp /etc/X11/GoodKeyMap.xkm $DISPLAY"
> 
> It works now. Is there a something simpler?

This works because, with a HOME directory specified, the xkbcomp command
can find the ~/.Xauthority file to get the magic cookie for display
connection authentication.

You should be able to set the XAUTHORITY environment variable to the
absolute path of the .Xauthority file instead of using su (try something
like: export XAUTHORITY=/home/${user}/.Xauthority)

-Chris

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[389-users] RHDS and Radius Certificate

[Natr Brazell]

I am trying to configure my freeradius box to use TLS to my RHDS server.  I
find many references to what to do with OpenLDAP however nothing good with
RHDS or FDS.  Do I need a certificate for every user authenticating against
my LDAP server through Radius or just a certificate from my Radius server to
my LDAP server?  Any pointers would be most helpful.

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Re: Running X window programs from PM suspend-resume scripts

[Serguei Miridonov]

On Monday 22 March 2010, Chris Tyler wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 21:10 +0200, Serguei Miridonov wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Is there a trick to run X window programs from PM suspend-resume
> > hooks? For example, I need to restore keyboard mapping after
> > suspend to RAM using
> > 
> > xkbcomp some_file.xkm :0.0
> > 
> > Running this in
> > 
> > #!/bin/bash
> > DISPLAY=":0.0"
> > export DISPLAY
> > case $1 in
> > 
> > hibernate | suspend)
> > 
> > ;;
> > 
> > thaw | resume)
> > 
> > sleep 2
> > 
> > chvt 1
> > sleep 1
> > xkbcomp /etc/X11/GoodKeyMap.xkm $DISPLAY
> > ;;
> > 
> > *)
> > 
> > ;;
> > 
> > esac
> > exit 0
> > 
> > gives an error: Cannot open display ":0.0"
> > 
> > Any idea?
> 
> Sounds like a problem with auth. Try setting the XAUTHORITY
> environment variable, perhaps?

OK, I have changed the script adding the line

user=`who | grep -e ' :0' | sed 's/ *:0.*$//'`

and then running the required command as

su - $user -c "xkbcomp /etc/X11/GoodKeyMap.xkm $DISPLAY"

It works now. Is there a something simpler?
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Re: How do I turn down the volume on a system beep ?

[Linuxguy123]

On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 19:16 +, Charlie Brej wrote:
> On 03/22/2010 05:36 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 18:30 +0100, Henrik Frisk wrote:
>  System beeps, ie Evolution receiving a new email are very loud.  How do
>  I turn them down ?
> >>>
> >>> I want to keep the volume I have for media listening, I want to keep the
> >>> system warnings but just at a lower volume.
> >>>
> >> $ xset -b 50
> >
> > Its actually xset b 50, not xset -b 50.
> >
> > Thanks !
> 
> Actually, neither of those work on x86 PCs. There is an option in X but 
> it doesn't do anything. You can change the pitch but not the volume. I 
> tried a while back to offer a patch to the kernel to enable this, but no 
> one was that interested because the system bell was essentially dead.

If its not used, why is it beeping on my machine ?

Do I have something set up wrong in my sound configuration ?

Thanks

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Re: Rolling Release Model(s), Fedora Discussion

[Bill Davidsen]

Antonio Olivares wrote:
> Dear fellow Fedora users,
> 
> At distrowatch there is some discussion whether Fedora would become a 
> "Rolling Release" like Arch.  See:
> 
> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20100315
> 
> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8716234495.html
> 
> Also Fedora has this page:
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_release_updates_vision
> 
> There are many great ideas over there, maybe just maybe these changes will 
> make a bigger difference?
> 
> I like the Fedora version that never quits, never dies^{1}, but not everyone 
> goes that route.  Cheers!
> 
> Would Fedora users accept a rolling release model?  IT would be nice to setup 
> an internet poll to see what many Fedora users have to say?   
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Antonio
> 
> {1}  Fedora Rawhide, it has become a distribution on its own, or so some say 
> at Distrowatch.  Fedora 13 Branched, Fedora 11 Updates, Fedora 12 Updates, 
> there are many updates
> 
The problem with rolling releases is that in some cases you have to update 
everything anyway. A kernel update is pretty contained, but library changes can 
hit many packages, and if an attempt is made to slide it in using two 
libraries, 
disk space problems can happen. Some application changes need major changes in 
support scripts, and a change in Xorg version requires tons of changes.

It causes less trouble to do some major part upgrades as a piece, rather than 
rolling, and even if an upgrade "works" (as in still functions), often there is 
a bunch of left over stuff not cleaned up, and suboptimal configurations for 
other things.

I think the balance is pretty good, although clearly if had more input certain 
bugs would be fixed sooner.

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Re: Restarting pulseaudio? -

[Tony Nelson]

On 10-03-22 13:15:25, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> On 22/03/10 12:48, Tony Nelson wrote:
> > On 10-03-22 10:01:05, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> >
> >>  How can I restart pulseaudio after killing it?
> >>
> >>  I can't find anything like "service pulseaudio
> >>  restart/status/whatever." Must I reboot F-12?
> >>
> >>  Bob Goodwin
> >>  
> > It will start on its own.  When PA would become unresponsive, I'd
> > `pactl exit` and then, as I have the Terminal Bell enabled, press
> > the Backspace key to get a beep.
> 
> Ok, thanks for that.
> 
> But I still don't see an option there to restart using pactl.

Well, it starts on demand, so I would "demand" a bell by pressing 
Backspace.


> "pactl stat" provides the same information if it is running or
> not.

Perhaps it really was running, but you migh find out with a chain of 
commands:

$ pactl exit ; pactl stat ; ps -ef | grep pulse

If the last doesn't find pulse but stat seems to, then there is still a 
mystery.

> But as you say it does come back up in a few seconds. However it
> leaves Master level muted and set to minimum. I can deal with 
> that
> but no doubt it has caused me some confusion earlier.

That, at least, did not happen here.

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Re: Running X window programs from PM suspend-resume scripts

[Chris Tyler]

On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 21:10 +0200, Serguei Miridonov wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Is there a trick to run X window programs from PM suspend-resume 
> hooks? For example, I need to restore keyboard mapping after suspend 
> to RAM using 
> 
> xkbcomp some_file.xkm :0.0
> 
> Running this in
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> DISPLAY=":0.0"
> export DISPLAY
> case $1 in
> hibernate | suspend)
>   ;;
> thaw | resume)
> sleep 2
>   chvt 1
>   sleep 1
>   xkbcomp /home/mirsev/GoodKeyMap.xkm $DISPLAY
>   ;;
> *)
> ;;
> esac
> exit 0
> 
> gives an error: Cannot open display ":0.0"
> 
> Any idea?

Sounds like a problem with auth. Try setting the XAUTHORITY environment
variable, perhaps?

-Chris

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Re: Hibernate and OpenVPN

[Bill Davidsen]

Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Hibernate works fine for me -
> I only ever re-boot to see how Windows is getting on! -
> but I notice that I always lose connection
> to machines I link to with OpenVPN
> when coming out of hibernation.
> 
> This doesn't really worry me,
> but I just wondered if it is caused by my failure
> to include some package?
> 
> I should say that I am running Fedora-12/KDE.
> 
My experience is that resume in Fedora simply doesn't work for network 
connections, because the logic is ass backwards. The VPN or NFS connections 
*seem* to be tried before the network connections are restored. If I have a an 
NFS "soft" mount, I can take the server down, put it in my car, drive it to the 
new data center, and install it, and the mount survives. Let me hibernate long 
enough to walk from an office to a meeting room and everything is dropped.

This amuses people using Windows.

I don't have the problem with the new 2.6.32 FC12 kernel, it never wakes from 
suspend or hibernate on any of my laptops. 2.6.33-ck1 works flawlessly, but 
still drops the network mounts.

I suggested using automount to a client, he says it works, but I haven't used 
it 
myself. Wouldn't help your VPN case, though.

Tuxonice may well solve the network problem, if not tell Nigel, stuff there 
gets 
fixed. Wish there were an rc.resume file, users could fix stuff like this.

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Re: How do I turn down the volume on a system beep ?

[Charlie Brej]

On 03/22/2010 05:36 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 18:30 +0100, Henrik Frisk wrote:
 System beeps, ie Evolution receiving a new email are very loud.  How do
 I turn them down ?
>>>
>>> I want to keep the volume I have for media listening, I want to keep the
>>> system warnings but just at a lower volume.
>>>
>> $ xset -b 50
>
> Its actually xset b 50, not xset -b 50.
>
> Thanks !

Actually, neither of those work on x86 PCs. There is an option in X but 
it doesn't do anything. You can change the pitch but not the volume. I 
tried a while back to offer a patch to the kernel to enable this, but no 
one was that interested because the system bell was essentially dead.
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Running X window programs from PM suspend-resume scripts

[Serguei Miridonov]

Hello,

Is there a trick to run X window programs from PM suspend-resume 
hooks? For example, I need to restore keyboard mapping after suspend 
to RAM using 

xkbcomp some_file.xkm :0.0

Running this in

#!/bin/bash
DISPLAY=":0.0"
export DISPLAY
case $1 in
hibernate | suspend)
;;
thaw | resume)
sleep 2
chvt 1
sleep 1
xkbcomp /home/mirsev/GoodKeyMap.xkm $DISPLAY
;;
*)
;;
esac
exit 0

gives an error: Cannot open display ":0.0"

Any idea?

Serguei.
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Re: ssh to my computer behind NAT

[Mike McCarty]

Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 17:48:45 +1030,
>   Tim  wrote:
>> On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 22:00 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>>> The normal reply command is not supposed to reply to lists, just the
>>> sender.
>> The normal reply command is supposed to reply to whatever's written in
>> the reply-to field, if it exists, ignoring the from address, under those
>> circumstances.  Which means, for lists like this one, replies will go
>> back to the list.
> 
> Coreect as far as it goes. Lists aren't supposed to mung the reply-to
> header as it supposed to be for the sender to direct replies to a different
> address.

There is, as you may know, considerable controversy, and lots of
flame wars over this point.

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Re: chainloader +1, again

[Michael Schwendt]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:28:46 -0400, Gene wrote:

> >> So I booted normally to F10 & kernel 2.6.34-rc2, and I have now tried to
> >> add a chainloader stanza to my grub.conf here on /dev/sda1 that will
> >> cause it to reload grub from /dev/sdb1.
> >>
> >> Is anything missing?
> >
> >Two things. Confirmation that there really is a GRUB in /dev/sdb1's boot
> >sector and not in /dev/sdb's MBR. And you forgot to show what you added
> >to your F10's grub.conf.
> 
> 1. I told it to put it in the MBR.

That would be /dev/sdb = (hd1) and not /dev/sdb1 = (hd1,0).

>  The string 'GRUB' exists in the MBR, but 
> there was a grub 2 install there prior from a mint8 install.
> 
> 2.:
> #26
> title   Fedora 12 64 bit from sdb by chainloading
> rootnoverify (hd1,0)
> makeactive
> chainloader +1

The comment is wrong. It tries to chainload /dev/sdb1 not the MBR.
The "makeactive" or "makeactive 1" typically is not necessary.

Do you see (hd1) in your F10's /boot/grub/device.map?
And what does /boot/grub/device.map on /dev/sdb1 contain?
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Re: Restarting pulseaudio? -

[Chris]

On 22 March 2010 15:36, Bob Goodwin  wrote:
> I am having a problem with my µprocessor usage going to 100% and not
> recovering until I kill pulseaudio. That's how I got into this problem

I missed this part of the thread. You might find this link useful as
it specifically mentions high CPU loads:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_PulseAudio_problems

Best of luck.
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Re: No Sound After installing Fedora 12

[Chris]

On 22 March 2010 16:47, Bart  wrote:
> I have no sound at all after doing a clean install from live-cd of
> Fedora 12 (I had Fedora 11 installed and no problems there).
>
> - I can see all the volume meters in pulse audio moving when I play for
> instance an audio file in totem. So I think this is not a pulseaudio
> problem.
>
> - su -c "alsaunmute -c 0" gives me:
> Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC861"
> "HDA:10573055,10573055,00100700 HDA:10ec0861,1584,00100300" "0x1734"
> "0x10c7"
> Hardware is initialized using a guess method
>
> - uname -r
>  2.6.32.9-70.fc12.i686
>
> - /usr/bin/alsa-info.sh
> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=9dd99fe22f231e120e75215617b38c2b476370ab

This link might be of some use:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_PulseAudio_problems
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Re: chainloader +1, again

[Will Walthall]

I should be around for a few hours, so we could take some of this to
pastebin.  To give you the full list of commands you need to reinstall
all your grub's and setup all your menu.lst's correctly I need to see
your current menu.lst's.
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Re: chainloader +1, again

[Will Walthall]

So I made the assumption that your part layout was /dev/sdb1 f10
system, /dev/sdb2 f12 system.

Option #1 Install grub to the MBR of /dev/sdb
Option #2 Install grub to the partition of /dev/sdb1

Lots of things you need to consider, one you dont want to break

Do you Chainload into mandriva aswell? is the Mandriva boot installed
to MBR /dev/sdd or in the partition /dev/sdd1?

Steps I would take:

:Reinstall grub to the MBR of /dev/sda and make sure that it has these 3 devices
-grub prompt in f10-
device (hd0) /dev/sda  //f10
device (hd1) /dev/sdb  //f12
device (hd2) /dev/sdd  //mandriva
root (hd0,0)
setup (hd0)

Option #1
:Reinstall grub to the MBR of /dev/sdb
device (hd0) /dev/sdb  // This grub is isolated from the MBR one on
/dev/sda so I believe this is correct, I've never done something like
this personally, though I've messed around with grub alot
root (hd0,0)
setup (hd0)

: Make sure all your entries in menu.lst for f10 are correct

# Again I think this is correct, though I haven't done anything like
this, I have chainloaded into grub installed to a partition, but not
into one installed to another MBR on a seperate drive
title Fedora 12
root (hd1,1)
chainloader (hd1)+1

Don't do anything till we have another exchange of dialog, my previous
message didn't take into account your non simple partition layout.

-Will
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Re: [389-users] nscd sometimes gets "stuck"

[patrick . morris]

Hi Sean!

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, Sean Carolan wrote:

> I'm testing the 389 directory server in our lab environment before
> moving it to production and have noticed that occasionally it won't
> let me log in.  I have to restart the nscd service before it will
> authenticate my user.  Here's the error in /var/log/secure:
> 
> Mar 22 09:59:31 watcher sshd[18109]: pam_unix(sshd:auth):
> authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser=
> rhost=10.2.3.100  user=scarolan
> Mar 22 09:59:31 watcher sshd[18109]: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as
> user "uid=scarolan,ou=People, dc=companyname, dc=com" (Invalid
> credentials)
> 
> Has anyone else experienced something like this?  Any idea what causes
> it?  I want to make sure our LDAP authentication is rock-solid
> reliable before moving it into the production environment.

What version(s) of nscd are you running?
What OS/Distribution(s) are you running it on?
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Re: Bugzilla F13 Blocker is missing bug

[iarly selbir | ski0s]

It's not seems too serious to be considered a Blocker, usually is used
F13Target to less serious bugs, anyway try cc this message to test list and
get a better advice.

Regards,

- -
iarlyy selbir | ski0s

:wq!


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Dennis Mattingly <
dennismattinglyzz...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I encountered bugzilla bug #473482 when installing Fedora 12.
>
> I finished the install, but this bug really made me angry.
> I do not want other people to experience this bug.
>
> How can I get this bug added to any blocker, like "Fedora Beta-Blocker" ???
> Is it possible to add this bug Fedora Beta-Blocker?
>
> The F13 Beta blocker is
> bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=f13blocker&hide_resolved=0
> The bug I encountered is bugzilla.redhat.com/473482
>
> Any advice is appreciated.
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Re: chainloader +1, again

[Tom Killian]

>Snipped from that shell:
>device (hd0,0) /dev/sdb
>grub> root (hd0,1)
>root (hd0,1)
> Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x82
>grub> setup (hd0,1)
>setup (hd0,1)

i think you're close.  'device' refers to the whole drive, and grub
counts partitions from 0 (partition type 0x82 is a swap partition,
/dev/sdb2).  so you probably want:

device (hd0) /dev/sdb
root (hd0,0)
setup (hd0) # write mbr of device, not partition!

on the other hand, if you got here via 'chainloader' from /dev/sda,
the bios (and therefore grub) likely thinks that /dev/sdb is drive 1,
so that 'hd1' may be what you need instead of 'hd0'.
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Bugzilla F13 Blocker is missing bug

[Dennis Mattingly]

I encountered bugzilla bug #473482 when installing Fedora 12.

I finished the install, but this bug really made me angry.
I do not want other people to experience this bug.

How can I get this bug added to any blocker, like "Fedora Beta-Blocker" ???
Is it possible to add this bug Fedora Beta-Blocker?

The F13 Beta blocker is
bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=f13blocker&hide_resolved=0
The bug I encountered is bugzilla.redhat.com/473482

Any advice is appreciated.
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Re: Charging USB devices with Fedora

[Ambrogio]

Il giorno dom, 21/03/2010 alle 15.37 +1030, Tim ha scritto:

> USB cables have four wires and a shield.  Two of those wires are used
> for power, two for data.  I've *NEVER* seen a cable that only has data
> wires, and it would be a seriously bad idea to attempt it.  The shield
> isn't a data ground, and shouldn't be used that way.  And there's ZERO
> way that such a cable could be used to power/charge anything.
Well,

I don't have anymore the 2 bad devices.
Says A and B those devices, now I have:

C that is very like to A. Same country (China), same case, a very
similar screen and a very similar bios. But this device has been bought
in Swiss instead of Italy. The strange (not so strange) thing is that in
swiss is sold with wall charger. The device works very well with the
wall charger, but also with the USB. The same USB that do not work for
the A and B devices.

Instead of B, I have now also in iPod shuffle.
Even if I'm unable to use it from my Linux box, I'm using itunes with
windows in a vmware virtual machine.
The iPod is seen as an USB pendrive, and if I simply umount it, I don't
obtain a charging, but if I say eject, I obtain the charging.

So, Now I'm ok.
I can't continue to analyze the problem because I don't have the bad
devices, and I don't have the right capacity to understand what appened.

Bye
 Ambrogio

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Re: How do I turn down the volume on a system beep ?

[Linuxguy123]

On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 18:30 +0100, Henrik Frisk wrote:
> >> System beeps, ie Evolution receiving a new email are very loud.  How do
> >> I turn them down ?
> >
> > I want to keep the volume I have for media listening, I want to keep the
> > system warnings but just at a lower volume.
> >
> $ xset -b 50

Its actually xset b 50, not xset -b 50.

Thanks !


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Re: How do I turn down the volume on a system beep ?

[Henrik Frisk]

>> System beeps, ie Evolution receiving a new email are very loud.  How do
>> I turn them down ?
>
> I want to keep the volume I have for media listening, I want to keep the
> system warnings but just at a lower volume.
>
$ xset -b 50

sets the bell volume to 50% of its maximum value. I prefer it off so I
have xset -b off in a startup script.

Hope it helps!

best,

/Henrik
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Re: chainloader +1, again

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 22 March 2010, Will Walthall wrote:
>You may need to just reinstall grub to the f12 partition
>
>I'd backup your menu.lst on /dev/sdb2
>Also make sure you /boot/grub directory has these files
>
>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 63 2010-03-11 12:33 device.map
>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  14872 2010-03-11 12:33 e2fs_stage1_5
>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  14036 2010-03-11 12:33 fat_stage1_5
>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  13344 2010-03-11 12:33 ffs_stage1_5
>-rw--- 1 root root   1021 2010-03-11 13:54 grub.conf
>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  13356 2010-03-11 12:33 iso9660_stage1_5
>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  14928 2010-03-11 12:33 jfs_stage1_5
>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2010-03-11 12:33 menu.lst -> ./grub.conf
>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  13480 2010-03-11 12:33 minix_stage1_5
>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  16128 2010-03-11 12:33 reiserfs_stage1_5
>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  17488 2009-10-01 12:08 splash.xpm.gz
>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root512 2010-03-11 12:33 stage1
>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 125432 2010-03-14 14:54 stage2
>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  13628 2010-03-11 12:33 ufs2_stage1_5
>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  12932 2010-03-11 12:33 vstafs_stage1_5
>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  15664 2010-03-11 12:33 xfs_stage1_5
>
>Amusing, I didn't realize that menu.lst was a symlink, neat!
>
>Boot into fedora 10 on /dev/sdb1
>
F10 /.boot is installed in /dev/sda1.

>su -c "grub"
>
>at the grub prompt
>
>>device (hd0) /dev/sdb
>>root (hd0,1)
>>setup(hd0,1)

Snipped from that shell:
grub> device (hd0,0) /dev/sdb
device (hd0,0) /dev/sdb
grub> root (hd0,1)
root (hd0,1)
 Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x82
grub> setup (hd0,1)
setup (hd0,1)

Error 17��: Cannot mount selected partition
grub> quit
quit
[r...@coyote f12]#
But I can mount it just fine.

I think that (hdx,x) crap is whats confusing grub.  No two installs are using 
the same (hd0,0) to drive correlations.  And no one seems to have written 
the definitive tome on how this works yet either.  IMO, grubs man pages 
contain about a -10ee34 torr vacuum.  That is slightly better than 
interstellar space 2 light years out.

And until we have a method to absolutely, carved in Forentine Marble, method 
of correlating the installed drives to the (hdx,x) crap that the bios and grub 
seem married to, this confusion will likely remain.  I assume (there _that_ 
word again) that the bios _should_ be treating disks in the order of the 
sata jacks they are plugged into, and my F10 install does.

>If this doesn't work then I dunno what's going on.  If these aren't the
>right settings for your Drive layout, send back a full overview of that and
>I'll try edit the command sequence for you.

All sata drives except for a worn out floppy, but the linux floppy driver has 
been broken for the use I would use it for for about 2 years now.  It 
cannot read or write a 256 byte sector format.

Here is the blkid output:
[r...@coyote f12]# blkid

Part of F10 install
/dev/sda1: LABEL="seaboot" UUID="9848a6bb-6ecd-412d-b2f5-0fdf68102bd3" 
SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
/dev/sda2: TYPE="swap" UUID="1e5d265b-0097-4699-b2f9-47e75ec2f95c"
/dev/sda3: LABEL="sea-slash" UUID="3d923d41-fe1d-49b2-9618-c03005888c41" 
SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"

Amanda's virtual tapes
/dev/sdc1: LABEL="/amandatapes-1-T" UUID="223e0988-3155-4935-8511-20e3edd77910" 
SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"

Mandriva 2010-x64
/dev/sdd1: UUID="9838db29-2ddd-46e5-835a-7c0f5eafae2a" TYPE="ext3" 
SEC_TYPE="ext2" LABEL="mdv-boot"
/dev/sdd5: TYPE="swap" UUID="7daaed8e-b1be-48fd-b701-852f4c904eb2"
/dev/sdd6: UUID="00a85218-ca2a-4265-bd8f-f9f511586dbc" SEC_TYPE="ext2" 
TYPE="ext3" LABEL="mdv-home"
/dev/sdd7: UUID="b832a03e-54ad-44d1-8f3e-e5322f359f90" SEC_TYPE="ext2" 
TYPE="ext3" LABEL="mdv-opt"
/dev/sdd8: UUID="a00d2ff6-179d-431b-8b57-984f12a89e0d" SEC_TYPE="ext2" 
TYPE="ext3" LABEL="mdv-usr"
/dev/sdd9: UUID="cbb6883f-04f3-4acb-b46b-032bb28dfea8" SEC_TYPE="ext2" 
TYPE="ext3" LABEL="mdv-var"
/dev/sdd10: UUID="ab39ede0-9b10-40e3-9fa9-2db747347934" SEC_TYPE="ext2" 
TYPE="ext3" LABEL="mdv-slash"

More of the F10 install
/dev/sda5: LABEL="sea-opt" UUID="bce6a095-6e7b-475d-b8a4-f75c1ae74a11" 
SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
/dev/sda6: LABEL="sea-home" UUID="7c9c7c96-4dcc-43db-8248-7dca7dd2abad" 
SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
/dev/sda7: LABEL="sea-root" UUID="937fecdd-d6f8-49aa-a438-4cee9789d796" 
SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
/dev/sda8: LABEL="sea-var" UUID="efbd9228-89d0-428a-86c4-dfaec8c40ebd" 
SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
/dev/sda9: LABEL="sea-tmp" UUID="466c0f0b-5b5e-4a8f-a83a-a8016d9c17f3" 
SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
/dev/sda10: LABEL="sea-usr" UUID="c377dbfc-caa6-464e-9d32-e75ef4b70e03" 
SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"

The F12 install
/dev/sdb1: UUID="021e13d4-5444-4f90-a4cd-033991a9b992" SEC_TYPE="ext2" 
TYPE="ext3" LABEL="F12boot"
/dev/sdb2: TYPE="swap" UUID="1a530a26-93f0-439e-b8d0-0aa1c6fa46ae"
/dev/sdb3: UUID="018cb1db-d493-4a8e-a2eb-a642ef434851" TYPE="ext4" <--anaconda 
insisted & wouldn't proceed if ext3
/dev/sdb5: LABEL="F12slash" UUID="1c53bab9-8764-46f3-8ddd-90681f0b46b4" 
TYPE="ext

Re: Restarting pulseaudio? -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 22/03/10 13:05, Chris wrote:
>
> I've found that "pulseaudio -k" works for me in Fedora 12. However in
> Fedora 11 I had to edit /etc/pulse/client.conf and add "autospawn =
> no", then do "pulseaudio -k". Otherwise it will continually respawn.
>
> --
> Chris.
>

This has been an educational exercise for me, I rarely mess with
audio but
"man pulseaudio" provides, among other things:

pulseaudio --start

pulseaudio --kill


I will try those too.

Bob

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Re: Evolution and GPG signing?

[mike cloaked]

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Daniel J Walsh  wrote:

> Be careful on suggesting people disable SELinux.  Better to put the
> machine into permissive mode if you suspect that SELinux is blocking the
> access.  Also much better to check the audit.log to see if SELinux is
> complaining.

This is not an selinux issue - the summary is as follows:
Thunderbird sends signed mail to Thunderbird - all is fine
Thunderbird sends signed mail to Evolution - all is fine
Evolution sends signed mail to Evolution - all is fine
Evolution sends signed mail to Thunderbird and Thunderbird complains
about "signature verification failed" - so this is either a bug in Evo
or in TB (I am using TB 3.1b2 but it is more than likely this will be
the same in earlier versions -

If anyone else uses signed mail and can confirm this behaviour it
would be useful - I would report this against bugzilla but I need to
know which component is the underlying problem.

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Re: Restarting pulseaudio? -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 22/03/10 12:48, Tony Nelson wrote:
> On 10-03-22 10:01:05, Bob Goodwin wrote:
>
>>  How can I restart pulseaudio after killing it?
>>
>>  I can't find anything like "service pulseaudio
>>  restart/status/whatever." Must I reboot F-12?
>>
>>  Bob Goodwin
>>  
> It will start on its own.  When PA would become unresponsive, I'd
> `pactl exit` and then, as I have the Terminal Bell enabled, press the
> Backspace key to get a beep.
>
>

Ok, thanks for that.

But I still don't see an option there to restart using pactl.

"pactl stat" provides the same information if it is running or not.
But as you say it does come back up in a few seconds. However it
leaves Master level muted and set to minimum. I can deal with that
but no doubt it has caused me some confusion earlier.

Tnx.

Bob


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Re: Restarting pulseaudio? -

[Chris]

On 22 March 2010 16:11, NoSpaze  wrote:
> Am Montag, den 22.03.2010, 11:36 -0400 schrieb Bob Goodwin:
>> I tried as user:
>> [b...@box6 ~]$ pulseaudio -D
>> E: main.c: Daemon startup failed.
>
> $ pulseaudio -k
> $ ps fax|grep pulse
>  4981 pts/1    S+     0:00  |   \_ grep pulse
>  4974 ?        S  4978 ?        S      0:00  \_ /usr/libexec/pulse/gconf-helper
> $ pulseaudio -k
> $ ps fax|grep pulse
>  5012 pts/1    S+     0:00  |   \_ grep pulse
>  4994 ?        S  5007 ?        S      0:00  \_ /usr/libexec/pulse/gconf-helper
> $ pulseaudio -D
> E: main.c: Start des Daemons fehlgeschlagen.
>
> I got the same message. Seems like it restarts automatically.
> Sorry. I didn't know this new behaviour.

I've found that "pulseaudio -k" works for me in Fedora 12. However in
Fedora 11 I had to edit /etc/pulse/client.conf and add "autospawn =
no", then do "pulseaudio -k". Otherwise it will continually respawn.

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Re: Fedora12 keyboard choice setting is not respected.

[Gabriel VLASIU]

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, Neil Bird wrote:

>Can I remove the other stuff in the XML?
Probably not. You can try and see if it's working of not then you remove 
something.

You can also try (if you need them):

terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,grp:switch,grp:ctrl_shift_toggle,grp_led:num
250 30


Gabriel

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Re: How do I turn down the volume on a system beep ?

[William Case]

Hi;


On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 10:24 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> F12 fully up to date.  KDE sessions.
> 
Good question!?!  And for Gnome sessions.

> System beeps, ie Evolution receiving a new email are very loud.  How do
> I turn them down ?

I want to keep the volume I have for media listening, I want to keep the
system warnings but just at a lower volume.

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Re: AppArmor about to be merged into the kernel?

[Tony Nelson]

On 10-03-22 01:46:10, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Ed Greshko 
> wrote:
> > Some people will point out that AppArmor comes from the Novell 
> > folks and is already integrated with openSUSE.  They would also 
> > remind folks of the collaboration between Novell and Microsoft.
> >
> > So, when reading the various comparisons make sure you know which
> > bias may be in play.
> 
> Heh.  That's a good point, but I would remind all of you that SELinux
> comes from No Such Agency.
> 
> Which Evil is the Lesser?

Of the TLAs, the NSA is the only one that has ever earned our trust, at 
least in matters of security.  The classic example comes from DES, 
which NSA changed slightly for reasons they would not disclose.  A 
decade or two later, differential attacks were publicly discussed, and 
it turned out that DES was immune to them because of the NSAs changes 
to it.  Trust is earned, and NSA as earned it as other TLAs have failed 
to.  All of SELinux is public and open, and it will all have been 
looked at and commented on by very untrusting people.

AFAIK, and I really don't, AppArmor is like locking the front door to 
one's house, and possibly locking the back door as well if one 
remembersto, while normal *nix security (permissions) is more like 
putting the valuable data into a safe, so it is locked even if a window 
is left open.  SELinux uses the *nix model, of locking the inode, not 
the pathname to the inode.  AIUI, Security people object to AppArmor as 
being fundamentally insecure, so if SELinux worked that way, it would 
have been about as much effort as it has been without any real 
security.  But what do I know.

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Re: Restarting pulseaudio? -

[Tony Nelson]

On 10-03-22 10:01:05, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> 
> How can I restart pulseaudio after killing it?
> 
> I can't find anything like "service pulseaudio
> restart/status/whatever." Must I reboot F-12?
> 
> Bob Goodwin

It will start on its own.  When PA would become unresponsive, I'd 
`pactl exit` and then, as I have the Terminal Bell enabled, press the 
Backspace key to get a beep.

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No Sound After installing Fedora 12

[Bart]

I have no sound at all after doing a clean install from live-cd of
Fedora 12 (I had Fedora 11 installed and no problems there). 

- I can see all the volume meters in pulse audio moving when I play for
instance an audio file in totem. So I think this is not a pulseaudio
problem.

- su -c "alsaunmute -c 0" gives me:
Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC861"
"HDA:10573055,10573055,00100700 HDA:10ec0861,1584,00100300" "0x1734"
"0x10c7"
Hardware is initialized using a guess method

- uname -r   
  2.6.32.9-70.fc12.i686

- /usr/bin/alsa-info.sh
http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=9dd99fe22f231e120e75215617b38c2b476370ab



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Re: Restarting pulseaudio? -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 22/03/10 12:17, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
>
> How about killing qtel, then killing pulseaudio, then starting pulseaudio, and
> finally starting qtel, in that particular order? Would that recover pulseaudio
> and cpu usage? (N.B. You should *not* need to be root for any of this, regular
> user privileges should suffice.)
>
> HTH, :-)
> Marko
>
>
>


Yes, that is essentially what I did, I kept shutting down things ,
the last being pulseaudio which restored normal cpu activity. But
after "killing" pulseaudio using the pid indicated in top I had no
way to restart it. "pulseaudio -D" did not restart so I tried what
it suggested [being unaware of any reason not to do so].

Yes the "Qtel" application is probably the culprit, fortunately it's not an 
essential thing but I would have liked it to work.

Bob

   

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How do I turn down the volume on a system beep ?

[Linuxguy123]

F12 fully up to date.  KDE sessions.

System beeps, ie Evolution receiving a new email are very loud.  How do
I turn them down ?

Thanks

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Re: Fedora12 keyboard choice setting is not respected.

[Neil Bird]

Around about 22/03/10 13:32, Gabriel VLASIU typed ...
> Edit /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi:
>   uk

   OK, thanks, I'll try that.

   Can I remove the other stuff in the XML?  Will it still apply the 
/usr/share settings before the /etc ones?  I'd rather only override the 
actual value I want to change.

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Re: Restarting pulseaudio? -

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Monday 22 March 2010 15:36:26 Bob Goodwin wrote:
> On 22/03/10 10:38, NoSpaze wrote:
> > Am Montag, den 22.03.2010, 10:01 -0400 schrieb Bob Goodwin:
> >> How can I restart pulseaudio after killing it?
> > 
> > Please, notice this works as a non-root user:
> > 
> > Killing pulseaudio:
> > 
> > $ pulseaudio -k
> > 
> > Starting pulseaudio daemon:
> > 
> > $ pulseaudio -D
> 
> [b...@box6 ~]$ pulseaudio -D
> E: main.c: Daemon startup failed.

The above advice *should* work. There is something wrong with your setup, and 
I would bet on that qtel app being broken or misconfigured or...

> [r...@box6 bobg]# pulseaudio -D
> W: main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless
> --system is specified).

You don't want to start pulseaudio as root. Ever.

> [r...@box6 bobg]# pulseaudio -D --system

And this is also discouraged, unless you *really* know what you're doing. You 
don't want that either.

> I finally gave up and rebooted but there has to be a better way?
> 
> I am having a problem with my µprocessor usage going to 100% and not
> recovering until I kill pulseaudio. That's how I got into this problem
> and it may be due to another program "Qtel" that requires audio and is
> running when the problem arises.

How about killing qtel, then killing pulseaudio, then starting pulseaudio, and 
finally starting qtel, in that particular order? Would that recover pulseaudio 
and cpu usage? (N.B. You should *not* need to be root for any of this, regular 
user privileges should suffice.)

HTH, :-)
Marko

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Re: Restarting pulseaudio? -

[NoSpaze]

Am Montag, den 22.03.2010, 11:36 -0400 schrieb Bob Goodwin:
> I tried as user:
> [b...@box6 ~]$ pulseaudio -D
> E: main.c: Daemon startup failed.

$ pulseaudio -k
$ ps fax|grep pulse
 4981 pts/1S+ 0:00  |   \_ grep pulse
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Re: Sorbet on Fedora's future

[Michael Miles]

Please stop this post.. On and on and on and on



On 03/21/2010 09:24 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
>
>>>   Actually, the OP did not strike me as a weenie,
>>> but rather as a sort of misguided geek.
>>>
>> In my life, a few people tagged me as a geek but, believe me, they were
>> badly misguided.
>> And misguided I might be too, but I would appreciate if somebody told me
>> where my reasoning is wrong.
>>  
> I'm tempted to respond with the physicists' "Not even wrong".
>
> I simply did not understand what bugs you were referring to.
> The first, about the BIOS, did not seem to have anything to do with Linux.
> Are you saying that if you run Linux, and then re-boot, and enter the BIOS,
> it is changed in some way?
>
>
>> When I say that open source's landscape has changed a lot in the last year
>> or so, do you disagree?
>>  
> I'm probably not very observant, or sensitive;
> I haven't noticed any change at all, big or little.
>
>
>> Though there will always remain people developing
>> for free because they believe in a project, don't you think that the trend
>> is going towards more paid developers for the desktop?
>>  
> As I am afraid is often the case, I'm not sure what you mean.
> Are you saying that more Linux (or Fedora?) developers
> are working for HP, Intel, etc, than used to be the case?
>
> The answer, as far as I am concerned, is that I have no idea,
> but in any case it would not worry me in the slightest if it were true.
>
>
>
>

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Re: [389-users] nscd sometimes gets "stuck"

[Doug Chapman]

Yes, nscd is both a blessing and a curse...we've found the default settings
for it be problematic.

Check your nscd.conf file and `man nscd.conf`.  Pay special attention to
these values:

paranoia yes

positive-time-to-live   passwd  120
negative-time-to-live   passwd  2
persistent   passwd  no

positive-time-to-live   group   120
negative-time-to-live   group   2
persistent   group   no


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Sean Carolan  wrote:

> I'm testing the 389 directory server in our lab environment before
> moving it to production and have noticed that occasionally it won't
> let me log in.  I have to restart the nscd service before it will
> authenticate my user.  Here's the error in /var/log/secure:
>
> Mar 22 09:59:31 watcher sshd[18109]: pam_unix(sshd:auth):
> authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser=
> rhost=10.2.3.100  user=scarolan
> Mar 22 09:59:31 watcher sshd[18109]: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as
> user "uid=scarolan,ou=People, dc=companyname, dc=com" (Invalid
> credentials)
>
> Has anyone else experienced something like this?  Any idea what causes
> it?  I want to make sure our LDAP authentication is rock-solid
> reliable before moving it into the production environment.
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Re: Hibernate and OpenVPN

[Greg Woods]

On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 00:15 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:

> I've had problems with pm-hibernate on F12, but
> pm-suspend works fine.
> 

This is going to depend on a lot of factors, such as what
motherboard/chipset you have, what software you are running, which
kernel version you have, etc. Hibernate/suspend in Linux is a moving
target.

On my systems (one desktop and one laptop with up-to-date F12) both
hibernate and suspend work quite well. I have another desktop at work
with Ubuntu, and hibernate/suspend works quite well on that one too. Not
all software recovers gracefully however. For example, I added a script
that kills all ssh sessions on hibernate or suspend, because they never
survive across a hibernate/suspend and then I have a bunch of dead
windows that I have to manually close. Killing all ssh sessions on
hibernate/suspend avoids having all the dead windows on wakeup.

Related to the original topic, I use an ipsec-tools style VPN, and it
recovers automatically on wakeup. It was a pain to get configured and
working to start with, but once in place, it is virtually automatic
using certificates to authenticate.

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Re: Restarting pulseaudio? -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 22/03/10 10:38, NoSpaze wrote:
> Am Montag, den 22.03.2010, 10:01 -0400 schrieb Bob Goodwin:
>
>> How can I restart pulseaudio after killing it?
>>  I can't find anything like "service pulseaudio
>>  restart/status/whatever." Must I reboot F-12?
>>  
> Please, notice this works as a non-root user:
>
> Killing pulseaudio:
>
> $ pulseaudio -k
>
> Starting pulseaudio daemon:
>
> $ pulseaudio -D
>
> Greetings.
>
>

I tried as user:

[b...@box6 ~]$ pulseaudio -D
E: main.c: Daemon startup failed.

Then as su:

[r...@box6 bobg]# pulseaudio -D
W: main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless 
--system is specified).

Then did:

[r...@box6 bobg]# pulseaudio -D --system
W: main.c: Running in system mode, but --disallow-exit not set!
W: main.c: Running in system mode, but --disallow-module-loading not set!
N: main.c: Running in system mode, forcibly disabling SHM mode!
N: main.c: Running in system mode, forcibly disabling exit idle time!

I finally gave up and rebooted but there has to be a better way?

I am having a problem with my µprocessor usage going to 100% and not 
recovering until I kill pulseaudio. That's how I got into this problem 
and it may be due to another program "Qtel" that requires audio and is 
running when the problem arises.

Thanks.

Bob

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Re: Help -- no audio device

[Michael Miles]

Well I just took a look at xmms and VLC is a way better player to handle 
almost any format.
No wonder you were having problems tracking your problem down, VLC is 
what you want



On 03/22/2010 03:03 AM, John Aldrich wrote:




> On Sunday 21 March 2010, Michael Miles wrote:
>
>> in you player preferences check audio and make sure the audio type is
>> pulseaudio not alsa and see if that works
>>
>> if not it could try downloading vlc through add and remove software and
>> do the same with audio preferences there
>> Pulseaudio is the one to use for output
>>
>>  
> Although it's working now, I should point out I don't have a "pulseaudio"
> option in XMMS. :-) I logged out and logged back in and apparently that was
> enough to fix the problem.
>
>

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Re: chainloader +1, again

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 22 March 2010, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:19:58 -0400, Gene wrote:
>> So I booted normally to F10 & kernel 2.6.34-rc2, and I have now tried to
>> add a chainloader stanza to my grub.conf here on /dev/sda1 that will
>> cause it to reload grub from /dev/sdb1.
>>
>> Is anything missing?
>
>Two things. Confirmation that there really is a GRUB in /dev/sdb1's boot
>sector and not in /dev/sdb's MBR. And you forgot to show what you added
>to your F10's grub.conf.

1. I told it to put it in the MBR.  The string 'GRUB' exists in the MBR, but 
there was a grub 2 install there prior from a mint8 install.

2.:
#26
title   Fedora 12 64 bit from sdb by chainloading
rootnoverify (hd1,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1

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Re: Suspend-to-RAM--resume: keyboard problem

[Serguei Miridonov]

On Monday 22 March 2010, Serguei Miridonov wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have the following problem: after several days of up time with
> 2-3 suspend-to-RAM--resume cycles every day some keys stop
> working. The problem appears to be in X server: I can switch user
> in KDE and start a new X server where keyboard works as expected.
> I can even save key mapping with xmodmap and then partially
> restore keyboard functionality in the X session with broken keys.
> 
> I have filed a bug but there is no any confirmation from developers
> or other users:
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=574666
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> Serguei.

OK, I have just found that this has nothing to do with suspend-resume. 
The same problem with keyboard happens right after 10 switch-to-text-
console and back cycles (Ctrl-Alt-F2 and then Alt-F1: repeat 10 
times).

Is there anything to check in order to find the reason? How can I 
check keyboard mapping and other keyboard settings by something other 
than xmodmap?

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Re: chainloader +1, again

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 22 March 2010, charles zeitler wrote:
>Do what thou wilt
>shall  be the whole  of the Law.
>
>On 3/21/10, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>> Greetings all;
>>
>> I started an install of f12 on what is  /dev/sdb here, after using
>> gparted to set it up, and figured out a way to get around the disk config
>> in anaconda.
>>
>> I answered a few questions, and it looked as if it was headed off to do
>> it all by itself, so I toddled off to do a bit of walnut machining for
>> several hours.
>>
>> On return, I had a hell of a time getting my monitor to unblank,
>
>darn power-saving technique scares me when it happens. :)
> , mouse moving didn't work?
>
Nah, it will eventually start, and from some googling, it appears I need to 
haul it up to the tv station & make use of the capacitor wizard I bought 
before I retired.  Bad caps in the PSU, they have to warm up before they work 
somewhere near right.  Which also explains the occasional odor of something 
hot in this little man cave that I haven't been able to run down.  That 
little $175 gizmo is the slickest thing for finding bad caps I've ever seen.  
In a busy shop, it will pay for itself the first week in troubleshooting time 
saved.

>so I guess
>
>> this BS with the ATI driver, radeon, has finally gotten to the ccfl lamp
>> in my monitor, and its just about 18 months old.
>>
>> However, when I tried to use the exit button in that cd's simple gui,
>> there was no response until I right clicked on the screen, but since it
>> was running
>> from the cd, it would not eject at any point during the reboot, and I
>> finally
>> killed the power for the 2nd time and managed to grab it in the 2 seconds
>> between getting it to eject, and the bios sucking it back in. I expected
>> it to boot F12, but there was no sign of F12 in the grub menu.  Just my
>> regular menu.
>
>and no first-boot screen? you might have an incomplete install...

There is a grub installed on the first drive and the 4th drive, and I have 
been booting the 4th drive by copying its vmlinuz etc to the first drives 
boot partition but naming the 4th drives partitions as I can't get a 
chainload to work there either.  I did have it working to the 2nd drive for a 
while, booting Mint8-x64, but I did something to mint and it won't boot 
anymore, so I overwrote it with F12.  If it installed grub in /dev/sdb's MBR, 
I should be able to do this.  Unforch, I have not found a tool which can read 
the MBR and tell if it is.  dd of course can pull it, but I have NDI how to 
interpret that output.  The string 'GRUB' does exist in it, sstartiong at 
offset 0179, but that could be leftovers from the old mint install FAIK.

>however...
>
>> So I booted normally to F10 & kernel 2.6.34-rc2, and I have now tried to
>> add a chainloader stanza to my grub.conf here on /dev/sda1 that will
>> cause it to reload grub from /dev/sdb1.
>
>instead of chaining, you could try:
>making a copy of your F10 stanza,
>and editing its fields to point to the paths/files on sdb.

Which of course limits me to a verse of grub.conf for each kernel installed, 
and easy thing to do with mandriva since they default the boot names to 
softlinks from vmlinuz to whatever the latest kernel installed is, same for 
the initrd.

But Fedora doesn't, which will be the case if I ever get it booted and let 
the update run, and then of course it won't be able to find the old, been 
removed kernel.  Mint8's grub 2 screen looks cool FWTW.

>> Is anything missing?

Slash would appear to be there, but I haven't wandered around and found where 
I put /home yet, shoulda wrote it down I guess, and I'd like to make /root a 
separate partition too, I have it separate here on F10 after I copied the F10 
from a failing drive to a fresh 1Tb drive, which sped this box up by about 
4x, so I may just re-install again.  But that is only a 370GB drive.  With 
the monitor problem being foremost, it will be a day or so before I get back 
to this.  I have another Samsung digital tv I can use for a monitor and have 
for troubleshooting another box, its tuner failed but its awfully close to be 
too darned big for the space it has to fit into.  Tape measure time I guess. 
;-)


Many Thanks Charles.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers, Gene
>> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
>>
>> I do desire we may be better strangers.
>>  -- William Shakespeare, "As You Like It"
>> --
>
>Love is the law, love under will.
>
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>


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Re: Charging USB devices with Fedora

[Jerry Feldman]

On 03/17/2010 09:03 AM, Birger Wathne wrote:
> Laptops often have problems charging USB devices. Look very closely at all
> USB ports. If any of them have a small '+' symbol along with the USB logo
> that port is equipped with power. Or read the technical specs for your 
> laptops.
>
> I have seen some Sony Ericsson phones as well as iPods that refused to
> charge from Windows desktops that didn't have the appropriate drivers
> installed. With linux on the same hardware they charged happily.
>   
I used to charge my Blackberry on my Fedora 12 desktop with no problem.
I did have Barry Backup installed. When I switched to an Android phone,
I plugged it into the same cable (with a mini USB to Micro USB adapter,
and the Android started charging). I also charge it on my business
Thinkpad as well as my SuSE laptop. In all cases, the cables were either
Blackberry or Motorola. Additionally, a while back I bought a USB cable
at Best Buy that did not charge at all. Relaced that cable thinking it
was just a bad cable, and the replacement did not work, so I exchanged
it for a Blackberry cable and it worked fine.

BTW: I've never seen the + symbol. On both my Thinkpad (both builtin and
docking station) as well as my HP laptop, only the standard USB symbol
is adjacent to the USB ports.

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Re: instaling fedora 12

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 07:03 -0700, yasser safwat wrote:
> hi 
> can install fedora 12 X86-64bit on PC
> the configuration of it
> mother board intel GA-P55-US3L
> processor intel i7 860
> ram 8GB DDR3 1333
> graphic card Nvidia Gigabyte GT9800 1GB DDR3 ram
> hard disk 500GB 16MB cache SATA II
> 
> 

That should run Fedora very well. What was the question?

Also, please don't post HTML top this list.

poc

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Re: Restarting pulseaudio? -

[NoSpaze]

Am Montag, den 22.03.2010, 10:01 -0400 schrieb Bob Goodwin:
> How can I restart pulseaudio after killing it?
> I can't find anything like "service pulseaudio
> restart/status/whatever." Must I reboot F-12?

Please, notice this works as a non-root user:

Killing pulseaudio:

$ pulseaudio -k

Starting pulseaudio daemon:

$ pulseaudio -D

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Re: tc download always to "default"

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 13:43:09 +0300,
  Mihamina Rakotomandimby  wrote:
> 
> My problem is all the traffic is caught by "classid 1:10", the default
> class.
> 
> Nothing is trapped by "classid 1:301" -> "classid 1:426"
> 
> At a first glance, would you see something wrong in these?

I took a quick look and didn't see anything obvious. But I haven't played
with this stuff for a while and my scripts were set up a bit differently.

How are you checking that everything is ending up in the default class?
I remember there is a command that tells you how much stuff is ending
up getting handled by the different qdiscs. Is that what you are doing or
are you just assuming that's what's happening because traffic isn't being
limited the way you expect?
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Re: Evolution and GPG signing?

[Daniel J Walsh]

On 03/21/2010 02:31 PM, Michael Miles wrote:
> On 03/21/2010 11:12 AM, mike cloaked wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Michael Miles   wrote:
>>
>>
>>  
>>> This is how I solved my Evolution problem... Use Thunderbird
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Well I do use Thunderbird - but it also has its own deficiencies -
>> like it does not have the facility to make "local" storage use maildir
>> format - only mbox.
>> That is why I was exploring other mail cients.
>>
>>
>> I myself have had too many problems with Evolution.
>>  
> I could not even get an account set up. There are problems with
> Thunderbird as well but between all the problems it is still the one for me.
> Have you tried to disable Selinux then see if your problem fixes itself.
>
> Just a guess
>
> mmamiga6
>
>
>
>
Be careful on suggesting people disable SELinux.  Better to put the 
machine into permissive mode if you suspect that SELinux is blocking the 
access.  Also much better to check the audit.log to see if SELinux is 
complaining.

ausearch -m avc -ts recent

Will show all recent SELinux AVC messages.
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instaling fedora 12

[yasser safwat]

hi 
can install fedora 12 X86-64bit on PC
the configuration of it
mother board intel GA-P55-US3L
processor intel i7 860
ram 8GB DDR3 1333
graphic card Nvidia Gigabyte GT9800 1GB DDR3 ram
hard disk 500GB 16MB cache SATA II




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Restarting pulseaudio? -

[Bob Goodwin]

How can I restart pulseaudio after killing it?

I can't find anything like "service pulseaudio
restart/status/whatever." Must I reboot F-12?

Bob Goodwin

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Re: suspicious f12 usb drive behavior [SOLVED]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 08:08 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> I found the --bwlimit option of rsync, and persuaded
> rsync to write at only half the average speed the device could
> actually support. Ta-DA! Perfectly copied files - no
> checksum errors.

You hadn't previously mentioned you were using rsync. Depending on what
exactly you're doing, rsync can certainly more b/w than you expect
because it reads the target volume to see what needs to be changed.

poc

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Re: Fedora12 keyboard choice setting is not respected.

[Gabriel VLASIU]

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, Neil Bird wrote:

> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:18:42 +
> From: Neil Bird 
> To: Community support for Fedora users 
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB;
> rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.3
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> Subject: Re: Fedora12 keyboard choice setting is not respected.
> 
> 
>After a bit more googling, I can see:
> 
> $ lshal|grep input.xkb|sort -u
>input.xkb.layout = 'us'  (string)
>input.xkb.model = 'evdev'  (string)
>input.xkb.options = 'terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp'  (string)
>input.xkb.rules = 'base'  (string)
>input.xkb.variant = ''  (string)
> 
> 
>Which may pertain.  Where'd that 'us' come from?  My xorg.conf says:
> 
> Option  "XkbLayout" "gb"

Copy /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi to 
/etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi

Edit /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi:
replace
us 
with
uk

us can be replaced by uk, fr, etc. - your choice.

Reboot.


Gabriel

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Re: Fedora12 keyboard choice setting is not respected.

[Neil Bird]

   After a bit more googling, I can see:

$ lshal|grep input.xkb|sort -u
   input.xkb.layout = 'us'  (string)
   input.xkb.model = 'evdev'  (string)
   input.xkb.options = 'terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp'  (string)
   input.xkb.rules = 'base'  (string)
   input.xkb.variant = ''  (string)


   Which may pertain.  Where'd that 'us' come from?  My xorg.conf says:

Option  "XkbLayout" "gb"

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Re: Fedora12 keyboard choice setting is not respected.

[Neil Bird]

Around about 20/03/10 00:49, David Timms typed ...
>> When I chose my logon, Gnome shows USA as the keyboard.

   I've been seeing this since upgrading to F12 as well.  I've seen hints 
when googling that it's an issue with gdm, but I've not pinned it down.

   I've been having to remember to change the keyboard on login every time. 
  Gut feeling is that it resets back to USA after a reboot, but then leaves 
the keyboard nobbled if you forget and log in with it (incorrect keys 
mapped, etc.)


> Can you list what locale info is in your grub boot kernel lines, eg:

   I only have LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 KEYTABLE=uk-logitech that seem relevant.


   I've also seen mention of:

/var/lib/gdm/.gconf/apps/gdm/simple-greeter/%gconf.xml


   Mine had us and the above uk-logitech entries.  I've deleted the us entry 
(3 lines) to see if it makes a difference, but I've a feeling it won't 
(gconf tends to cache in RAM, so changing that file is likely not to do 
anything, and it must've got the 'us' from somewhere else, so it probably 
will again).

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Re: iptables config problem in Fedora 11

[Edward. S. P. Leong]

Adalbert Prokop wrote:

>Am 09.03.2010 16:20, schrieb Edward. S. P. Leong:
>
>Hi Edward!
>
>  
>
>>When running the following function ( they are good for working in FC9 ) :
>>modprobe ip_tables
>>modprobe ip_nat_ftp
>>modprobe ip_conntrack
>>modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp
>>
>>error output :
>>[]# modprobe ip_tables
>>WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files
>>belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
>>FATAL: Module ip_tables not found.
>>
>>
>
>The warnings are harmless, the say you have to move your configuration
>from /etc/modprobe.conf to files in /etc/modprobe.d
>
>The FATALs are not nice, but effectively also harmless. For example they
>say there is no module "ip_conntrack_ftp", because it is named
>"nf_conntrack_ftp" in fedora.
>
>But you do not need to load those modules manually - the kernel can load
>them automatically if needed.
>
Hello,

Sorry...
Would you mind give me more details ?

Thanks !

Edward.

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Re: AppArmor about to be merged into the kernel?

[Don Quixote de la Mancha]

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Tom Horsley  wrote:
> The one thing I remember about AppArmor was that all the
> pointless security restrictions were tied to a specific
> executable, and if AppArmor was preventing you from running
> some program, all you had to do was make a copy of
> it, then you could run the copy without a peep from
> AppArmor.

Hah!

My very first retail coding job was for Working Software in Santa
Cruz, California, whose owner and president was Dave Johnson.  He's a
political blogger now:

   http://www.seeingtheforest.com/

Back in the day, he wrote the firmware for Ford's very first
computerized carburetor.  The development was done on a VAX using a
cross-compiler.  But when the boss would do a process listing (not ps
- this was VMS) he would just get:

   adventure
   adventure
   adventure
   adventure
   engine

Adventure was the original text adventure game, later sold in
commercial form as Zork.

All of Dave's coworkers spent most of their days playing Adventure -
but Dave was always running programs with names like "engine,"
"carburetor," "ignition" and so on.

"You're a good man, Dave," said his boss, patting him proudly on the shoulder.

If He Only Knew!  What Dave had done was to induce Adventure to dump
core.  He then renamed the core dump "engine" or "ignition" or what
have you, then reanimated the core dump and played that!

GNU Emacs does the very same thing; when it is first built it is
called "temacs".  temacs completes its initialization upon first
execution, dumps core, then edits the core file to create a runnable
binary called "emacs".  That way one doesn't have to wait for all that
initialization every time one wants to edit a file.

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Re: AppArmor about to be merged into the kernel?

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Monday 22 March 2010 05:46:10 Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> > Some people will point out that AppArmor comes from the Novell folks and
> > is already integrated with openSUSE.  They would also remind folks of
> > the collaboration between Novell and Microsoft.
> > 
> > So, when reading the various comparisons make sure you know which bias
> > may be in play.
> 
> Heh.  That's a good point, but I would remind all of you that SELinux
> comes from No Such Agency.
> 
> Which Evil is the Lesser?

I would just like to make a small co...@$^$^*@$%  bzt

WE  ARE  THE  NSA  OF  BORG.  LOWER  YOUR  FIREWALLS  AND  SURRENDER  YOUR  
DISKS.  WE  WILL  ASSIMILATE  YOUR  SOFTWARE  AND  HARDWARE  DISTINCTIVENESS.  
YOUR  PROCESSORS  WILL  BE  ADAPTED  TO  SERVE  OUR  OWN.  RESISTANCE  IS   
FUTILE.

;-)
Marko

P.S. I rarely ever drop SELinux from enforcing mode. Since F9 times I had 
almost zero problems with it.

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Re: midori in LXDE/F-12 spin

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 22.03.2010, 11:12 + schrieb Fred Williams:
> On 22 March 2010 11:05, Alan Cox  wrote:
> > I'll be more than happy to use any GNOME alternative there
> is, but for
> > NM I don't think there is an alternative. Suggestions are
> welcome
> > though, not only for NM but also for other packages.
> 
> Moblin uses conman which is also worth looking at and serves a
> similar
> functionality.
>
> Might I suggest WicD? I don't think it has as many gnome dependencies,
> and (I think) provides a better means of handling networking.

Please read my previous post, I already explained why wicd it not an
option. It's true that it has less dependencies, but it requires way
more RAM and CPU, especially when automatic scanning vor wireless
networks is turned on. IMHO this is more critical than diskspace.

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: midori in LXDE/F-12 spin

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 22.03.2010, 11:05 + schrieb Alan Cox:
> > I'll be more than happy to use any GNOME alternative there is, but for
> > NM I don't think there is an alternative. Suggestions are welcome
> > though, not only for NM but also for other packages.
> 
> Moblin uses conman which is also worth looking at and serves a similar
> functionality.

Conman is dead, moblin switched to network-manager-netbook which is even
worse: In addition to the typical suspects (GConf, gnome-keyring etc.)
it requires mutter, so we would have the third window manager in the
spin.

> Alan

Regards,
Christoph


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Re: midori in LXDE/F-12 spin

[Fred Williams]

On 22 March 2010 11:05, Alan Cox  wrote:

> > I'll be more than happy to use any GNOME alternative there is, but for
> > NM I don't think there is an alternative. Suggestions are welcome
> > though, not only for NM but also for other packages.
>
> Moblin uses conman which is also worth looking at and serves a similar
> functionality.
>
> Alan
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(I think) provides a better means of handling networking.
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Re: midori in LXDE/F-12 spin

[Alan Cox]

> I'll be more than happy to use any GNOME alternative there is, but for
> NM I don't think there is an alternative. Suggestions are welcome
> though, not only for NM but also for other packages.

Moblin uses conman which is also worth looking at and serves a similar
functionality.

Alan
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tc download always to "default"

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

Manao ahoana, Hello, Bonjour,

This is my simple topology:

  LAN <--> (eth1)[gateway](eth2) <--> Internet

The gataway NATs (Masquerade) but there is no trouble about this.

I would like to limit the DOWNLOAD bandwidth per host.
Download is:

  Internet -> gateway -> eth1 -> LAN Host

LAN is 10.150.0.128/25

There are sample lines of my "tc" ruleset: 
http://pastebin.org/119806


My problem is all the traffic is caught by "classid 1:10", the default
class.

Nothing is trapped by "classid 1:301" -> "classid 1:426"

At a first glance, would you see something wrong in these?

Misaotra, Thanks, Merci.

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Re: Help -- no audio device

[John Aldrich]

On Sunday 21 March 2010, Michael Miles wrote:
> 
> in you player preferences check audio and make sure the audio type is
> pulseaudio not alsa and see if that works
> 
> if not it could try downloading vlc through add and remove software and
> do the same with audio preferences there
> Pulseaudio is the one to use for output
> 
Although it's working now, I should point out I don't have a "pulseaudio" 
option in XMMS. :-) I logged out and logged back in and apparently that was 
enough to fix the problem.

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Re: AppArmor about to be merged into the kernel?

[Tom Horsley]

On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:24:08 -0700
Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote:

> Perhaps someone could post a brief note that compares and contrasts
> SELinux with AppArmor.

The one thing I remember about AppArmor was that all the
pointless security restrictions were tied to a specific
executable, and if AppArmor was preventing you from running
some program, all you had to do was make a copy of
it, then you could run the copy without a peep from
AppArmor. This happened to us at work when trying to
do a build on a suse system. I wish I could remember
what program it was (it was not anything setuid, just some
innocuous utility that someone at suse thought should
be restricted for some reason).
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Re: chainloader +1, again

[Will Walthall]

You may need to just reinstall grub to the f12 partition

I'd backup your menu.lst on /dev/sdb2
Also make sure you /boot/grub directory has these files

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 63 2010-03-11 12:33 device.map
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  14872 2010-03-11 12:33 e2fs_stage1_5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  14036 2010-03-11 12:33 fat_stage1_5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  13344 2010-03-11 12:33 ffs_stage1_5
-rw--- 1 root root   1021 2010-03-11 13:54 grub.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  13356 2010-03-11 12:33 iso9660_stage1_5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  14928 2010-03-11 12:33 jfs_stage1_5
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2010-03-11 12:33 menu.lst -> ./grub.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  13480 2010-03-11 12:33 minix_stage1_5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  16128 2010-03-11 12:33 reiserfs_stage1_5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  17488 2009-10-01 12:08 splash.xpm.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root512 2010-03-11 12:33 stage1
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 125432 2010-03-14 14:54 stage2
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  13628 2010-03-11 12:33 ufs2_stage1_5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  12932 2010-03-11 12:33 vstafs_stage1_5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  15664 2010-03-11 12:33 xfs_stage1_5

Amusing, I didn't realize that menu.lst was a symlink, neat!

Boot into fedora 10 on /dev/sdb1

su -c "grub"

at the grub prompt

>device (hd0) /dev/sdb
>root (hd0,1)
>setup(hd0,1)

If this doesn't work then I dunno what's going on.  If these aren't the
right settings for your Drive layout, send back a full overview of that and
I'll try edit the command sequence for you.

How this Helps
-Will
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Re: chainloader +1, again

[Michael Schwendt]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:19:58 -0400, Gene wrote:

> So I booted normally to F10 & kernel 2.6.34-rc2, and I have now tried to add 
> a chainloader stanza to my grub.conf here on /dev/sda1 that will cause it to 
> reload grub from /dev/sdb1.

> Is anything missing?

Two things. Confirmation that there really is a GRUB in /dev/sdb1's boot
sector and not in /dev/sdb's MBR. And you forgot to show what you added
to your F10's grub.conf.
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