Re: semantics
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On 4/1/10, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 04/02/2010 05:27 AM, charles zeitler wrote: >> >> 1) "free and open source software" is redundant ( if it's free software ) >> > > Not quite. FOSS is a umbrella term and using it is one way of avoiding > the free beer vs freedom confusion > yes, i can see that ( although i have seen some potentially misleading references to just "open source software" ) >> 2) does fedora need a "stable release" ? (having seen some references to this) >>(there is already "current" "next" "previous" and "eol") >> > > Previous and current are "stable" releases. Next is the development > branch. uh huh. but is there really something _called_ the "stable release" (as opposed to...) & if so, would there be a release sufficiently "unstable" as to "encourage collaboration and incubate innovative new technologies"? > > Rahul > > Ps: Remember to fill up the subject line > -- oops! charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
[SOLVED] gedit ...cannot create backup !!!
On 04/02/2010 07:00 AM, Aram J. Agajanian wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:38:23 +0530
> Jatin K wrote:
>
>
>> Dear all
>>
>> suddenly I'm getting this error whenever I try to edit a text file
>> and click save button
>>
>> " Could not create a backup file while saving /path/to/file.txt"
>> gedit could not backup the old copy of the file before saving the new
>> one.You can ignore this warning and save the file anyway.
>> but if an error occurs while saving , you could lose the old copy of
>> the file. Save anyway ?"
>>
>>
>> yesterday, everything was ok.. and this morning I'm getting this
>>
>> whats wrong with gedit ?? can anyone help me ?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
> I've seen this error message from gedit when trying to save on network
> filesystems where the uids are not mapped. When using sshfs, the
> following option can help:
>
> -o idmap=user
>
>
well
I've delete all the backup files created by gedit ... all is on the
regular road again
I've used this[1] command to remove the backup files
[1] find $HOME -type f -name \*~ -ok rm {} \;
Regards
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Re: Login errors after network change
On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 00:32 -0400, Kwan Lowe wrote: > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Craig White wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 00:07 -0400, Kwan Lowe wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Craig White > >> wrote: > >> > >> > yes, I can see what you mean > >> > > >> > truth be told, for a completely static NIC, many of us 'old-timers' > >> > would turn off NetworkManager, turn on 'network' put 'ONBOOT=yes' in the > >> > configuration and be done with it. > >> > > >> > ;-) > >> > > >> > Craig > > Hmm.. Got a more interesting one now.. > > I'm logged in as an LDAP non-privileged user. From the menus, I select > System|Administration|Add/Remove Software. I add a couple packages > such as screen and dialog. On clicking Apply, I am warned: > > "You have failed to provide correct authentication. Please check any > passwords or account settings." > > I don't see any place to provide this authentication in the menus. > > If I exit out and try to run the "gpk-application" (not sure if this > is the correct app) I get a warning that I'm running as a privileged > user. > > It's caching my credentials somewhere, because I know that at one > point I was prompted to enter root password. perhaps there was an issue with the original F12 release that would have gotten fixed if you update to current. Yes, there is a mechanism to cache credentials - I am not knowledgeable about this but I think it's about a five minute cache. If all else fails, you can get a virtual console, su to root (su -) and then run the tool without any need to get credentials. But I wouldn't know what the command is to launch packagekit (or whatever it is called). Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Stable Fedora Releases
On 04/02/2010 06:22 AM, Leslie S Satenstein wrote: > While the weekly updates might be larger in size, but as they occur weekly, > it might help out for producing a weekly unity (re)spin. For example, with my > idea or weekly updates and weekly (re)spins, if I stay with F12 for a month > after F13 is officially released, I could then download the latest unity > (re)spin, and be up to date with most updates integrated. It is conceivable > that the (re)spin is more bug-free then the actual QA'd production release. > > So, give me weekly updates and weekly re(spins). What prevents you from restricting yourselves to updating only once a week, if this fits your needs better? The fact updates are being offered more frequently doen't necessarily mean you have to update "immediately". Ralf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Login errors after network change
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Craig White wrote: > On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 00:07 -0400, Kwan Lowe wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Craig White wrote: >> >> > yes, I can see what you mean >> > >> > truth be told, for a completely static NIC, many of us 'old-timers' >> > would turn off NetworkManager, turn on 'network' put 'ONBOOT=yes' in the >> > configuration and be done with it. >> > >> > ;-) >> > >> > Craig Hmm.. Got a more interesting one now.. I'm logged in as an LDAP non-privileged user. From the menus, I select System|Administration|Add/Remove Software. I add a couple packages such as screen and dialog. On clicking Apply, I am warned: "You have failed to provide correct authentication. Please check any passwords or account settings." I don't see any place to provide this authentication in the menus. If I exit out and try to run the "gpk-application" (not sure if this is the correct app) I get a warning that I'm running as a privileged user. It's caching my credentials somewhere, because I know that at one point I was prompted to enter root password. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Stable Fedora Releases
First and foremost, ever since version 8, I have personally had no problems with Fedora releases and the usual daily set of updates. For my testing and use, Fedora is stable. In fact, for my use, Fedora 13 as delivered is stable. We are more then one month away from the official release of Fedora 13. What I would like to see perhaps, is a change in the frequency for updates, where a kind of rolling version is created within each one of the 6 monthly releases. This can be achieved by not sending out daily updates but instead, collecting them and sending out weekly ones. Currently I do a yum update check every other day, and find large numbers of updates. Is there a reason why these cannot be collected and set into weekly updates? I suppose I could just look for updates on a weekly basis, and that would answer my own question. But if the policy was made that daily updates are reserved for emergency crash fixing, severe bug fixing, or due to malware or virus attack protection, these updates would be recognized as being priority. On the weekly schedule, we could download a single compressed package. While the weekly updates might be larger in size, but as they occur weekly, it might help out for producing a weekly unity (re)spin. For example, with my idea or weekly updates and weekly (re)spins, if I stay with F12 for a month after F13 is officially released, I could then download the latest unity (re)spin, and be up to date with most updates integrated. It is conceivable that the (re)spin is more bug-free then the actual QA'd production release. So, give me weekly updates and weekly re(spins). -- Regards Leslie Mr. Leslie Satenstein -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Login errors after network change
On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 00:07 -0400, Kwan Lowe wrote: > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Craig White wrote: > > > yes, I can see what you mean > > > > truth be told, for a completely static NIC, many of us 'old-timers' > > would turn off NetworkManager, turn on 'network' put 'ONBOOT=yes' in the > > configuration and be done with it. > > > > ;-) > > > > Craig > > :) It was an interesting exercise though... > > My first assumption was that selinux was the culprit. A search of the > archives showed that a few people had been bitten by an selinux policy > issue. After fussing around with selinux for a while, before > eventually turning it off completely, I realized it had nothing to do > with the issue. > > I agree about NetworkManager and usually turn it off straightaway. > > Anyhoo, I'm leaning towards this being a bug but can be convinced > otherwise. To reproduce: > 1) Boot with the Desktop Edition F12 CD. > 2) Double click the Install to HD icon and accept all defaults. > 3) Reboot. > 4) Configure timezone and authentication to LDAP (enable caching and > local auth is sufficient). > 5) Login as a regular user then su to root. > 6) Launch the system-config-network tool. > > If you run updates at this point, as I did, your initial reboot will > leave you at a login screen that won't work. The system will timeout > trying to access the LDAP servers. > > For a newbie to Fedora this would be frustrating. something like this in your /etc/ldap.conf should help with timeouts... timelimit 30 bind_timelimit 30 bind_policy soft nss_initgroups_ignoreusers root,ldap,named,avahi,haldaemon,dbus Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 22:51 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: > I'm confused. If you want Red Hat to treat you as an employee, that > seems to be here: http://www.redhat.com/about/careers/ > > If you want to create your own commercial Linux distribution, using > Fedora as your upstream, you're welcome to do that too. It's easy to > create a new distro (just look at the lwn.net list of distros page). > It's much harder to sustain one, build a following, and figure out a > business model that will be self sufficient. A few companies have > done so. > > And if you have other goals, and by participating in Fedora you can > achieve them, fantastic. you neglected to mention that with the exception of usage of trademarks and artwork specific to Red Hat and Fedora, the software is free to be used by Ubuntu, Debian, Slackware and apparently, even the only corporation more evil than Red Hat, SuSE ;-) Talk about exploitation... Maybe I should go out and buy and iPad so I can subscribe to AT&T, Hulu, the WSJ, etc. and pay $100 a month for DRM encumbered software. Apple probably pays their help more... oops, did they outsourced overseas? Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Login errors after network change
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Craig White wrote: > yes, I can see what you mean > > truth be told, for a completely static NIC, many of us 'old-timers' > would turn off NetworkManager, turn on 'network' put 'ONBOOT=yes' in the > configuration and be done with it. > > ;-) > > Craig :) It was an interesting exercise though... My first assumption was that selinux was the culprit. A search of the archives showed that a few people had been bitten by an selinux policy issue. After fussing around with selinux for a while, before eventually turning it off completely, I realized it had nothing to do with the issue. I agree about NetworkManager and usually turn it off straightaway. Anyhoo, I'm leaning towards this being a bug but can be convinced otherwise. To reproduce: 1) Boot with the Desktop Edition F12 CD. 2) Double click the Install to HD icon and accept all defaults. 3) Reboot. 4) Configure timezone and authentication to LDAP (enable caching and local auth is sufficient). 5) Login as a regular user then su to root. 6) Launch the system-config-network tool. If you run updates at this point, as I did, your initial reboot will leave you at a login screen that won't work. The system will timeout trying to access the LDAP servers. For a newbie to Fedora this would be frustrating. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
Tom H wrote: >> Get a blog for your uninformed opinions. I think you are seriously >> underestimating the amount of hostility your ramblings generate. >> > > +1 > +100 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
> Get a blog for your uninformed opinions. I think you are seriously > underestimating the amount of hostility your ramblings generate. +1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Login errors after network change
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 23:39 -0400, Kwan Lowe wrote: > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Craig White wrote: > > > probably did miss it > > > > In system-config-network, if you double click the interface, there is a > > checkbox for 'Activate device when computer starts' > > Ahhh... I understand now.. > > That button is only available on the graphical configurator when the > "system-config-network" package is installed. It is missing from the > text mode interface which is "system-config-network-tui" interface. > The default desktop installation does not include the graphical > client. The system-config-network-tui package also aliases > system-config-network, so there's no real way to tell. yes, I can see what you mean truth be told, for a completely static NIC, many of us 'old-timers' would turn off NetworkManager, turn on 'network' put 'ONBOOT=yes' in the configuration and be done with it. ;-) Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 23:23 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > That's the document about the board I was referring to, but it's not > Fedora statutes, it doesn't say where Fedora stands in relation to Red > Hat. Nowhere in this document will you find something to back your > assertion that "Fedora is a completely separate entity". > > As a matter of fact, as Fedora is mainly financed by Red Hat as a test > bench for RHEL, I can hardly see how Fedora could stand as "a > completely separate entity". CentOS and Scientific Linux are separate > entities from Red Hat, not Fedora. > > Maybe this should be made clearer so that developers understand what > kind of project they're involved in. There are advantages working for > a major Linux distribution such as Red Hat. Are there enough, I don't > know. This is a question I raise in the case study I'm about to > submit. > > It's not time to discuss this here but I certainly believe that > developers' contribution should be more fully acknowledged, and I mean > this not only in an abstract manner. For the unrest to cease -- > because there is some unrest -- the relation between development and > management will have to evolve, just to make sure that it's impossible > from now on for a CEO and his wife to run away with hundreds of > millions $, leaving developers sixpence none the richer(1). > > (1) Of course, this is now impossible, but a sense of balance must > still be established. > > When you ask developers to work, at least at the beginning, for free, > you must play an honest game. Otherwise, you won't get the best. There > should be a dynamic way to define when the beginning is being > stretched too far, without tying development and management by any > obligation. > > Investors also will gain from a development model that works. You state things as if they were fact but they are not. Fedora is not a 'test bed' for Red Hat. Fedora is a separately maintained Linux distribution intended to drive Linux software development. Where is your source that Fedora is a test bed for Red Hat? Where is this 'unrest' ? What unrest? You? Perhaps if you had actually written computer code, you wouldn't assume that contributors were pathetically ignorant about who owns the code that they have written. It's all open source and free. 'Packaging' code for a distribution like Fedora is mostly volunteer efforts. There actually is a big difference between contributing code and contributing packages but clearly you don't get it. I simply cannot understand how someone who has never participated in the development process at any level would think that their opinion is anything but wholly uninformed and of little interest to those that actually do have some knowledge of the process. I find this sentence of yours, the height of stupidity... "the relation between development and management will have to evolve, just to make sure that it's impossible from now on for a CEO and his wife to run away with hundreds of millions $, leaving developers sixpence none the richer(1)." What is your plan to pay software developers for software that is not sold but rather given away for free? Get a blog for your uninformed opinions. I think you are seriously underestimating the amount of hostility your ramblings generate. I am saying this nicely. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 11:23:48PM -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: >As a matter of fact, as Fedora is mainly financed by Red Hat as a test >bench for RHEL. Fedora is more than a test bench for RHEL. >I can hardly see how Fedora could stand as "a completely >separate entity". Legally, Fedora (the trademark) is owned by Red Hat, and the Fedora Project Board is given the authority to manage it. Red Hat is also the largest (but by no means the only) Fedora sponsor. http://fedoraproject.org/sponsors The Fedora EMEA group does stand as a completely separate entity, with its own governance, membership, income, expenses, etc. In the US however, that isn't as feasible for a not-for-profit with one primary sponsor, so we didn't do that. >CentOS and Scientific Linux are separate entities from >Red Hat, not Fedora. > >Maybe this should be made clearer so that developers understand what kind >of project they're involved in. There are advantages working for a major >Linux distribution such as Red Hat. Are there enough, I don't know. This >is a question I raise in the case study I'm about to submit. Unless you receive a paycheck directly from Red Hat as an employee, you are not "working for a major Linux distribution" when you contribute to Fedora. You are contributing to Fedora, or one of the upstream projects that Fedora draws from. Red Hat may be one additional beneficiary of that work, but the Red Hat productized software starts as a subset of the Fedora software, and then adjusted to best suit Red Hat's customers (in Red Hat's opinion). Nothing is stopping someone else from doing likewise - which, as you note, CentOS and SL do similarly. The Fedora Project Board is comprised of 4 appointed, 5 community-elected seats, and the chair (FPL) is by definition a Red Hat employee. >It's not time to discuss this here but I certainly believe that >developers' contribution should be more fully acknowledged, and I mean >this not only in an abstract manner. For the unrest to cease -- because >there is some unrest -- the relation between development and management >will have to evolve, just to make sure that it's impossible from now on >for a CEO and his wife to run away with hundreds of millions $, leaving >developers sixpence none the richer(1). > >(1) Of course, this is now impossible, but a sense of balance must still >be established. What are you proposing, exactly? >When you ask developers to work, at least at the beginning, for free, you >must play an honest game. Otherwise, you won't get the best. There should >be a dynamic way to define when the beginning is being stretched too far, >without tying development and management by any obligation. > >Investors also will gain from a development model that works. I'm confused. If you want Red Hat to treat you as an employee, that seems to be here: http://www.redhat.com/about/careers/ If you want to create your own commercial Linux distribution, using Fedora as your upstream, you're welcome to do that too. It's easy to create a new distro (just look at the lwn.net list of distros page). It's much harder to sustain one, build a following, and figure out a business model that will be self sufficient. A few companies have done so. And if you have other goals, and by participating in Fedora you can achieve them, fantastic. -- Matt Domsch Technology Strategist Dell | Office of the CTO -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Login errors after network change
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Craig White wrote: > probably did miss it > > In system-config-network, if you double click the interface, there is a > checkbox for 'Activate device when computer starts' Ahhh... I understand now.. That button is only available on the graphical configurator when the "system-config-network" package is installed. It is missing from the text mode interface which is "system-config-network-tui" interface. The default desktop installation does not include the graphical client. The system-config-network-tui package also aliases system-config-network, so there's no real way to tell. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Login errors after network change
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 23:14 -0400, Kwan Lowe wrote: > Hello All: > I just did a Fedora12 Desktop Edition installation to hard drive and > an update. This went smoothly, but I had some errors immediately > afterwards. > > During the installation I don't recall being prompted for network > configuration. On initial boot, I did the normal configuration such as > time zone and LDAP server setup. Initial login went fine. Because this > is a virtual machine and accessible only via the network, I went ahead > and changed the eth0 configuration to a static IP address via the > system-config-network utility. > > That's where the problem started. > > After rebooting after updating all packages, I could not login. The > system was attempting to authenticate via the LDAP server but when > switching from DHCP to static it apparently also sets the onboot flag > to no in the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 file. Logins, > whether local root or an LDAP user, would take about a minute to > timeout before returning to the login prompt. > > To compound the issue, the grub timeout was set to 0 so that I > couldn't even access the grub menu to change the runlevel. I ended up > booting the CD image just to be able to set the NIC to start on boot. > (Afterwards I learned about the SHIFT key override from the > "increasing grub timeout?" thread elsewhere). > > No harm done, but I am curious as to the rationale for the interface > not being enabled after reconfiguration from DHCP to static. Did I > miss something in the configuration that would enable it? probably did miss it In system-config-network, if you double click the interface, there is a checkbox for 'Activate device when computer starts' Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 22:02 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Craig White > > wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 17:23 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > > > > > as far as I can tell, you seem to be the only one confused > > about Red > > Hat/Fedora. Fedora is a completely separate entity with its > > own > > management, resources, servers though clearly it was incubated > > using > > resources supplied by Red Hat. > > > > Aaaah! So you found them! All along my research, I've been looking for > > the Fedora statutes. Normally, this document should be linked to the > > home page... and I couldn't find it! The best I could get was the > > composition of the board. > > > > So, let's talk. Where are the statutes, where you learned that Fedora > > is a completely separate entity? > > I am sure I learned about it when Fedora was first announced. > > Not very hard to find out about Fedora Governance... > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board > > That's the document about the board I was referring to, but it's not Fedora statutes, it doesn't say where Fedora stands in relation to Red Hat. Nowhere in this document will you find something to back your assertion that "Fedora is a completely separate entity". As a matter of fact, as Fedora is mainly financed by Red Hat as a test bench for RHEL, I can hardly see how Fedora could stand as "a completely separate entity". CentOS and Scientific Linux are separate entities from Red Hat, not Fedora. Maybe this should be made clearer so that developers understand what kind of project they're involved in. There are advantages working for a major Linux distribution such as Red Hat. Are there enough, I don't know. This is a question I raise in the case study I'm about to submit. It's not time to discuss this here but I certainly believe that developers' contribution should be more fully acknowledged, and I mean this not only in an abstract manner. For the unrest to cease -- because there is some unrest -- the relation between development and management will have to evolve, just to make sure that it's impossible from now on for a CEO and his wife to run away with hundreds of millions $, leaving developers sixpence none the richer(1). (1) Of course, this is now impossible, but a sense of balance must still be established. When you ask developers to work, at least at the beginning, for free, you must play an honest game. Otherwise, you won't get the best. There should be a dynamic way to define when the beginning is being stretched too far, without tying development and management by any obligation. Investors also will gain from a development model that works. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
New Kernel will not boot
30...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 04/02/2010 05:27 AM, charles zeitler wrote: > > -- > > Do what thou wilt > > shall be the whole of the Law. > > > > 1) "free and open source software" is redundant ( if it's free software ) > > > > Not quite. FOSS is a umbrella term and using it is one way of avoiding > the free beer vs freedom confusion > > > 2) does fedora need a "stable release" ? > >(there is already "current" "next" "previous" and "eol") > > > > Previous and current are "stable" releases. Next is the development > branch. > > Rahul > > Ps: Remember to fill up the subject line > > > -- > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 21:23:31 -0400 > From: "Aram J. Agajanian" > Subject: Re: Fox News Channels videos won't play > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Message-ID: <20100401212331.1dad1...@pc01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:49:27 -0400 > Temlakos wrote: > > > I've come back to this issue of the Fox News Channel videos not > > wanting to play, because perhaps I have some more information that > > might provide a clue. > > > > Fox News Channel hosts a number of videos, and provides an embedding > > link to each one. About an hour ago, I went to find one. When my > > Fedora 12/Firefox 3.5.8 setup wouldn't play nice, I went to another > > machine that had Windows XP on it. I was able to play the video > > there, and to get the embedding script. I got it and pasted it into > > an article I wrote. > > > > And when I went to display my article, guess what? The video wouldn't > > play. > > > > I am using flash 10.0.45.2 (64 bit) and Fedora 11 (with Firefox 3.5.9). > > Fox News videos wouldn't play until I uninstalled > nspluginwrapper.x86_64. > > > -- > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 21:30:31 -0400 > From: "Aram J. Agajanian" > Subject: Re: gedit ...cannot create backup !!! > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Message-ID: <20100401213031.5edd4...@pc01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:38:23 +0530 > Jatin K wrote: > > > Dear all > > > > suddenly I'm getting this error whenever I try to edit a text file > > and click save button > > > > " Could not create a backup file while saving /path/to/file.txt" > > gedit could not backup the old copy of the file before saving the new > > one.You can ignore this warning and save the file anyway. > > but if an error occurs while saving , you could lose the old copy of > > the file. Save anyway ?" > > > > > > yesterday, everything was ok.. and this morning I'm getting this > > > > whats wrong with gedit ?? can anyone help me ? > > > > > > Regards > > > > I've seen this error message from gedit when trying to save on network > filesystems where the uids are not mapped. When using sshfs, the > following option can help: > > -o idmap=user > > > > -- > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 18:45:34 -0700 > From: suvayu ali > Subject: Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story? > To: Community support for Fedora users > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 1 April 2010 15:35, Craig White wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 15:13 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: > >> On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White wrote: > >> > Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own > >> > software packaging, etc. This has nothing to do with Fedora. > >> > > >> > >> And I recently learned they don't even use yum! :-o > > > > well RHEL 4 doesn't but RHEL 5 does. > > > > You can install yum from CentOS 4 on RHEL 4 systems but you have to be > > vigilant about where packages are being installed from because RHEL 4 > > doesn't have repo information for yum. > > > > Thanks for correcting me. :) Learned something new again! I deal with > Scientific Linux 4 and 5 systems on a regular basis, hence my surprise > about this piece of information. Any particular reason for this > difference? > > > Craig > > > > PS: I know my questions are probably OT, but its better than a flame > war on a vaguely relev
Login errors after network change
Hello All: I just did a Fedora12 Desktop Edition installation to hard drive and an update. This went smoothly, but I had some errors immediately afterwards. During the installation I don't recall being prompted for network configuration. On initial boot, I did the normal configuration such as time zone and LDAP server setup. Initial login went fine. Because this is a virtual machine and accessible only via the network, I went ahead and changed the eth0 configuration to a static IP address via the system-config-network utility. That's where the problem started. After rebooting after updating all packages, I could not login. The system was attempting to authenticate via the LDAP server but when switching from DHCP to static it apparently also sets the onboot flag to no in the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 file. Logins, whether local root or an LDAP user, would take about a minute to timeout before returning to the login prompt. To compound the issue, the grub timeout was set to 0 so that I couldn't even access the grub menu to change the runlevel. I ended up booting the CD image just to be able to set the NIC to start on boot. (Afterwards I learned about the SHIFT key override from the "increasing grub timeout?" thread elsewhere). No harm done, but I am curious as to the rationale for the interface not being enabled after reconfiguration from DHCP to static. Did I miss something in the configuration that would enable it? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 22:40 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > So! No more 'The "Stable" offering is Red Hat Enterprise Linux.' ? > > What? OK, RHEL might finally prove more solid than Fedora, but final > is stable. Only security patches and important bug fixes should be > uploaded. No program updates. I'm glad to learn we agreed all along! > > Which means that, for instance, developers should think twice before > quitting the KDE 3.5.x branch and going for 4.0. Since testing means > "going soon to the final, stable release", KDE 4 remains in rawhide, > even though it evolves to new dot versions, until it's deemed stable > enough for the next final release. That's the way Patrick Volkerding > does it for Slackware. > > For non-developers using Final , "release early. release often" is > "released too early, released too often." > > Of course, nothing prevents Red Hat's own geeks, or anybody feeling > adventurous, from enabling the Rawhide repository. > > So, everybody is kept happy. Stable is a vague term and I can see where you might be confused. If you want 'stable' as you are defining it, RHEL, CentOS, Scientific Linux will all give you KDE 3.5 and a stable OS whose ABI does not change. With respect to Fedora, the concept of stable is similar but the releases are shorter duration and the intent is to package the newest possible versions of software with the intent to drive software development by having a larger user base that is eager to use the newer offerings. Thus 'stable' is actually about not changing dependencies during a single release. It would be useful if you actually took the time to figure out what 'stable' actually means with respect to distribution packaging and recognized that each distribution has its own cycles, definitions and purposes. Comparing Fedora to Slackware is sort of absurd. KDE, owing to the efforts of Rex and Kevin and the rest of the kde team has provided a terrific user environment and has a fairly well defined method of pushing packages to 'testing' before general release. Most of the Fedora-KDE users are greatful for any/all updates. KDE is however, probably not the right discussion target because if you wanted Red Hat packaging, you could simply use RHEL, CentOS or Scientific Linux and still be using KDE 3.5.x. The reality is that the KDE developers long ago ceased 3.5.x development in order to fully concentrate on 4.x development. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: > On 1 April 2010 22:23, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > >> > >> Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe said: > >> > You keep saying this. I shall make only two points as I am bored of > >> > saying this time and time again. > >> > >> I would welcome you stopping saying this, since you present two extremes > >> as the only possible choices (which they are not). > > > > Though I've been providing this link time and again, Mr Sharpe has chosen > to > > ignore it: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_release_updates_vision > > Actually I read it before, although I have no idea whether it was due > to a post by you - I believe it to be largely a statement of the > current status-quo. Perhaps you read it differently to me. > > * The update repositories for stable releases of the Fedora > distribution should provide our users with a consistent and high > quality stream of updates. > >I haven't seen huge issues with updates for releases. I realise > other people might have, but that doesn't indicate an endemic problem > of brokenness in Fedora, nor that the aims have changed. > > * Stable releases should provide a consistent user experience > throughout the lifecycle, and only fix bugs and security issues. > > Again, I haven't personally seen evidence that Updates to a Fedora > release have massively changed the User Experience - but then I'm not > a KDE user. > > * Stable releases should not be used for tracking upstream version > closely when this is likely to change the user experience beyond > fixing bugs and security issues. > >This is currently true - they do not. > > * Close tracking of upstream should be done in the Rawhide repo > wherever possible, and we should strive to move our patches upstream. > >This is the current situation > > * More skilled and/or intrepid users are encouraged to use Rawhide > along with participating in testing of stable branches during the > development and pre-release period. > >This is the current situation > > * Stable releases, pre-release branches, and Rawhide have a graduated > approach to what types of updates are expected. For example, a > pre-release branch should accept some updates which a stable release > would not, and rawhide would accept updates that are not appropriate > for either a stable release or a pre-release. > >This is the current situation. e.g. major software versions can > change between F12 Alpha and Beta releases. > > * Project members should be able to transparently measure or monitor a > new updates process to objectively measure its effectiveness, and > determine whether the updates process is achieving the aforementioned > vision statements. > >Not something I can comment on. > > As I understand it, in the above terminology: > > Rawhide == Rawhide > Pre-release == Fxx Alpha, Fxx, Beta, Fxx RC > Stable == Fxx > > So! No more 'The "Stable" offering is Red Hat Enterprise Linux.' ? What? OK, RHEL might finally prove more solid than Fedora, but final is stable. Only security patches and important bug fixes should be uploaded. No program updates. I'm glad to learn we agreed all along! Which means that, for instance, developers should think twice before quitting the KDE 3.5.x branch and going for 4.0. Since testing means "going soon to the final, stable release", KDE 4 remains in rawhide, even though it evolves to new dot versions, until it's deemed stable enough for the next final release. That's the way Patrick Volkerding does it for Slackware. For non-developers using Final , "release early. release often" is "released too early, released too often." Of course, nothing prevents Red Hat's own geeks, or anybody feeling adventurous, from enabling the Rawhide repository. So, everybody is kept happy. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 18:45 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: > On 1 April 2010 15:35, Craig White wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 15:13 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: > >> On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White wrote: > >> > Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own > >> > software packaging, etc. This has nothing to do with Fedora. > >> > > >> > >> And I recently learned they don't even use yum! :-o > > > > well RHEL 4 doesn't but RHEL 5 does. > > > > You can install yum from CentOS 4 on RHEL 4 systems but you have to be > > vigilant about where packages are being installed from because RHEL 4 > > doesn't have repo information for yum. > > > > Thanks for correcting me. :) Learned something new again! I deal with > Scientific Linux 4 and 5 systems on a regular basis, hence my surprise > about this piece of information. Any particular reason for this > difference? Scientific Linux does pretty much the same as CentOS and they all seemed to follow the path of the progenitor, whiteboxlinux. The RHEL releases prior to version 5 simply used the 'up2date' tool which has a vastly different structure than yum's repo structure. Whiteboxlinux and the various rebuilds of RHEL used the yum tool I suppose because it was pretty well established (Fedora and the RHL that preceded Fedora) had been using it for some time. I think Red Hat probably decided that the open source development of yum made more long term sense and implemented in RHEL 5 instead of another round of 'up2date'. > PS: I know my questions are probably OT, but its better than a flame > war on a vaguely relevant thread. ;) no flame wars... just reactions to someone who wants to use this list as a political soapbox for his theories on the way things should be. Not the first and obviously won't be the last. Maybe if he actually participated in the process of software development, either by coding or bug reporting he would begin to understand what is actually involved and transition from irrelevant theory to relevant discourse. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fox News Channels videos won't play
On 04/01/2010 09:23 PM, Aram J. Agajanian wrote: > On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:49:27 -0400 > Temlakos wrote: > > >> I've come back to this issue of the Fox News Channel videos not >> wanting to play, because perhaps I have some more information that >> might provide a clue. >> >> Fox News Channel hosts a number of videos, and provides an embedding >> link to each one. About an hour ago, I went to find one. When my >> Fedora 12/Firefox 3.5.8 setup wouldn't play nice, I went to another >> machine that had Windows XP on it. I was able to play the video >> there, and to get the embedding script. I got it and pasted it into >> an article I wrote. >> >> And when I went to display my article, guess what? The video wouldn't >> play. >> >> > I am using flash 10.0.45.2 (64 bit) and Fedora 11 (with Firefox 3.5.9). > > Fox News videos wouldn't play until I uninstalled > nspluginwrapper.x86_64. > And how did you do that? Temlakos -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 22:02 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Craig White > wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 17:23 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > > as far as I can tell, you seem to be the only one confused > about Red > Hat/Fedora. Fedora is a completely separate entity with its > own > management, resources, servers though clearly it was incubated > using > resources supplied by Red Hat. > > Aaaah! So you found them! All along my research, I've been looking for > the Fedora statutes. Normally, this document should be linked to the > home page... and I couldn't find it! The best I could get was the > composition of the board. > > So, let's talk. Where are the statutes, where you learned that Fedora > is a completely separate entity? I am sure I learned about it when Fedora was first announced. Not very hard to find out about Fedora Governance... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 17:23 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > as far as I can tell, you seem to be the only one confused about Red > Hat/Fedora. Fedora is a completely separate entity with its own > management, resources, servers though clearly it was incubated using > resources supplied by Red Hat. > Aaaah! So you found them! All along my research, I've been looking for the Fedora statutes. Normally, this document should be linked to the home page... and I couldn't find it! The best I could get was the composition of the board. So, let's talk. Where are the statutes, where you learned that Fedora is a completely separate entity? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On 1 April 2010 15:35, Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 15:13 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: >> On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White wrote: >> > Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own >> > software packaging, etc. This has nothing to do with Fedora. >> > >> >> And I recently learned they don't even use yum! :-o > > well RHEL 4 doesn't but RHEL 5 does. > > You can install yum from CentOS 4 on RHEL 4 systems but you have to be > vigilant about where packages are being installed from because RHEL 4 > doesn't have repo information for yum. > Thanks for correcting me. :) Learned something new again! I deal with Scientific Linux 4 and 5 systems on a regular basis, hence my surprise about this piece of information. Any particular reason for this difference? > Craig > PS: I know my questions are probably OT, but its better than a flame war on a vaguely relevant thread. ;) -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: gedit ...cannot create backup !!!
On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:38:23 +0530 Jatin K wrote: > Dear all > > suddenly I'm getting this error whenever I try to edit a text file > and click save button > > " Could not create a backup file while saving /path/to/file.txt" > gedit could not backup the old copy of the file before saving the new > one.You can ignore this warning and save the file anyway. > but if an error occurs while saving , you could lose the old copy of > the file. Save anyway ?" > > > yesterday, everything was ok.. and this morning I'm getting this > > whats wrong with gedit ?? can anyone help me ? > > > Regards > I've seen this error message from gedit when trying to save on network filesystems where the uids are not mapped. When using sshfs, the following option can help: -o idmap=user -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fox News Channels videos won't play
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:49:27 -0400 Temlakos wrote: > I've come back to this issue of the Fox News Channel videos not > wanting to play, because perhaps I have some more information that > might provide a clue. > > Fox News Channel hosts a number of videos, and provides an embedding > link to each one. About an hour ago, I went to find one. When my > Fedora 12/Firefox 3.5.8 setup wouldn't play nice, I went to another > machine that had Windows XP on it. I was able to play the video > there, and to get the embedding script. I got it and pasted it into > an article I wrote. > > And when I went to display my article, guess what? The video wouldn't > play. > I am using flash 10.0.45.2 (64 bit) and Fedora 11 (with Firefox 3.5.9). Fox News videos wouldn't play until I uninstalled nspluginwrapper.x86_64. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re:
On 04/02/2010 05:27 AM, charles zeitler wrote: > -- > Do what thou wilt > shall be the whole of the Law. > > 1) "free and open source software" is redundant ( if it's free software ) > Not quite. FOSS is a umbrella term and using it is one way of avoiding the free beer vs freedom confusion > 2) does fedora need a "stable release" ? >(there is already "current" "next" "previous" and "eol") > Previous and current are "stable" releases. Next is the development branch. Rahul Ps: Remember to fill up the subject line -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. 1) "free and open source software" is redundant ( if it's free software ) 2) does fedora need a "stable release" ? (there is already "current" "next" "previous" and "eol") charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: N wifi broke after kernel update
On 03/31/2010 09:15 PM, Mail Lists wrote: > > Wireless stopped working after latest kernel update. ... > > Filed bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=578663 > Happy to report this has already been fixed (thank you john linville!!) in the 2.6.32.10-94.fc12 kernel build available in koji. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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On 04/01/2010 06:10 PM, Don Vogt wrote: > --- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 21:13:55 +0200 >> From: David Garc?a Granda >> Subject: Re: New Firefox Won't run >> To: Community support for Fedora users >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Don, >> >>> Yesterday I updated to kernel 2.6.32.9.70 fc12 and to >> firefox-3.5.9-1.fc12 and now firefox won't start. I get a >> notice in the bottom bar for a few seconds and then it goes >> blank. >> >> Strange, I have the same package versions and firefox runs >> fine... >> >>> I tried starting firefox in a terminal and it returned >> "can't load XPCOM" >>> I tried 'locate XPCOM' and it returned some files in >> /usr/lib/VirtualBox and >> /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm >> >> Uhmmm... I don't have virtualbox installed, so this can >> make the difference. >> >>> I have VirtualBox installed, but I am not trying to >> run firefox in virtualBox, but on the desktop. >>> ?I just found that xulrunner-1.9.1.9-1.fc12 was >> installed at the same time as the new firefox so I suspect >> the problem is between firefox and xulrunner. >> >> I think the problem here is VirtualBox. > > > OK, I will try to remove VirtualBox, if I can figure out how > > > >>> ?I don't know what to try next. I have been using fc12 >> for a long time successfully for quite a while Any help or >> advice would be appreciated. >> >> Is it possible for you to check if XPCOM files related from >> VirtualBox >> conflict with Firefox/xulrunner ones?. Maybe something not >> compatible >> from VirtualBox is loaded instead of the right one. > > I will see what I can figure out about the related files > >> >> HTH, >> >> David >> >> > >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 14:20:42 -0700 >> From: suvayu ali >> Subject: Re: New Firefox Won't run >> To: Community support for Fedora users >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On 1 April 2010 12:13, David Garc?a Granda >> wrote: >>> Hi Don, >>> Yesterday I updated to kernel 2.6.32.9.70 fc12 and >> to firefox-3.5.9-1.fc12 and now firefox won't start. I get a >> notice in the bottom bar for a few seconds and then it goes >> blank. >>> >>> Strange, I have the same package versions and firefox >> runs fine... >>> I tried starting firefox in a terminal and it >> returned "can't load XPCOM" I tried 'locate XPCOM' and it returned some files >> in /usr/lib/VirtualBox and >> /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm >>> >>> Uhmmm... I don't have virtualbox installed, so this >> can make the difference. >>> I have VirtualBox installed, but I am not trying >> to run firefox in virtualBox, but on the desktop. ?I just found that xulrunner-1.9.1.9-1.fc12 was >> installed at the same time as the new firefox so I suspect >> the problem is between firefox and xulrunner. >>> >>> I think the problem here is VirtualBox. >>> >> >> It is improper methodology to start blaming other "most >> unlikely" >> packages before going through the proper troubleshooting >> steps. I >> don't have VBox installed and that file is there in my >> system. >> xulrunner is what firefox uses for all of its UI and >> configuration. >> (at least that is what I know) >> >> $ yum deplist firefox | grep xul >>provider: xulrunner.x86_64 >> 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 >>provider: xulrunner.x86_64 >> 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 >> dependency: libxul.so()(64bit) >>provider: xulrunner.x86_64 >> 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 >>provider: xulrunner.x86_64 >> 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 >> dependency: xulrunner >= 1.9.1.9 >>provider: xulrunner.x86_64 >> 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 >>provider: xulrunner.i586 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 >>provider: xulrunner.x86_64 >> 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 >>provider: xulrunner.x86_64 >> 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 >> dependency: libxul.so()(64bit) >>provider: xulrunner.x86_64 >> 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 >>provider: xulrunner.x86_64 >> 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 >>provider: xulrunner.x86_64 >> 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 >>provider: xulrunner.i586 >> 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 >> ?I don't know what to try next. I have been using >> fc12 for a long time successfully for quite a while Any help >> or advice would be appreciated. >>> >>> Is it possible for you to check if XPCOM files related >> from VirtualBox >>> conflict with Firefox/xulrunner ones?. Maybe something >> not compatible >>> from VirtualBox is loaded instead of the right one. >>> > > > > >> The OP should first try >> 1. starting firefox in safe mode `firefox -safe-mode' and >> see whether >> any of the add-ons are to blame. > > Did that - no change > >> 2. If that doesn't work, try looking for unreleased lock >> files for firefox. >> >> $ cd ~/.mozilla >> $ find -type f -name '*lock' >> >> If any are found delete them and try again. > > found .parentlock files in each profile. Deleted them and got the same result > ( unable to load XPCOM) > 3. If none of the above works try creating
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On 04/02/2010 04:36 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe said: > >> I believe that diverting resources into maintaining older releases >> does not further any of the Foundations. It takes resources away from >> further the last two principles. >> > I would say that pushing major updates to older releases takes more > resources, not less (at least if it is done correctly, with proper > testing on each release). > This really depends on the nature of the package and what problems the update solves. I generally prefer not pushing in "major" updates but I elected to do so for Transmission bittorrent client because magnet link support was in high demand (TPB switched to using it) and it fixed quite a number of important bugs that were being reported via ABRT, not to mention security and data loss issues. The other option would have been selective backporting which would have certainly been much more work and upstream projects don't necessarily support that approach. The right answer is - it depends. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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--- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 21:13:55 +0200 > From: David Garc?a Granda > Subject: Re: New Firefox Won't run > To: Community support for Fedora users > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Don, > > > Yesterday I updated to kernel 2.6.32.9.70 fc12 and to > firefox-3.5.9-1.fc12 and now firefox won't start. I get a > notice in the bottom bar for a few seconds and then it goes > blank. > > Strange, I have the same package versions and firefox runs > fine... > > > I tried starting firefox in a terminal and it returned > "can't load XPCOM" > > I tried 'locate XPCOM' and it returned some files in > /usr/lib/VirtualBox and > /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm > > Uhmmm... I don't have virtualbox installed, so this can > make the difference. > > > I have VirtualBox installed, but I am not trying to > run firefox in virtualBox, but on the desktop. > > ?I just found that xulrunner-1.9.1.9-1.fc12 was > installed at the same time as the new firefox so I suspect > the problem is between firefox and xulrunner. > > I think the problem here is VirtualBox. OK, I will try to remove VirtualBox, if I can figure out how > > ?I don't know what to try next. I have been using fc12 > for a long time successfully for quite a while Any help or > advice would be appreciated. > > Is it possible for you to check if XPCOM files related from > VirtualBox > conflict with Firefox/xulrunner ones?. Maybe something not > compatible > from VirtualBox is loaded instead of the right one. I will see what I can figure out about the related files > > HTH, > > David > > > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 14:20:42 -0700 > From: suvayu ali > Subject: Re: New Firefox Won't run > To: Community support for Fedora users > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 1 April 2010 12:13, David Garc?a Granda > wrote: > > Hi Don, > > > >> Yesterday I updated to kernel 2.6.32.9.70 fc12 and > to firefox-3.5.9-1.fc12 and now firefox won't start. I get a > notice in the bottom bar for a few seconds and then it goes > blank. > > > > Strange, I have the same package versions and firefox > runs fine... > > > >> I tried starting firefox in a terminal and it > returned "can't load XPCOM" > >> I tried 'locate XPCOM' and it returned some files > in /usr/lib/VirtualBox and > /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm > > > > Uhmmm... I don't have virtualbox installed, so this > can make the difference. > > > >> I have VirtualBox installed, but I am not trying > to run firefox in virtualBox, but on the desktop. > >> ?I just found that xulrunner-1.9.1.9-1.fc12 was > installed at the same time as the new firefox so I suspect > the problem is between firefox and xulrunner. > > > > I think the problem here is VirtualBox. > > > > It is improper methodology to start blaming other "most > unlikely" > packages before going through the proper troubleshooting > steps. I > don't have VBox installed and that file is there in my > system. > xulrunner is what firefox uses for all of its UI and > configuration. > (at least that is what I know) > > $ yum deplist firefox | grep xul > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 > 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 > 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 > dependency: libxul.so()(64bit) > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 > 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 > 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 > dependency: xulrunner >= 1.9.1.9 > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 > 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.i586 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 > 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 > 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 > dependency: libxul.so()(64bit) > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 > 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 > 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 > 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.i586 > 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 > > >> ?I don't know what to try next. I have been using > fc12 for a long time successfully for quite a while Any help > or advice would be appreciated. > > > > Is it possible for you to check if XPCOM files related > from VirtualBox > > conflict with Firefox/xulrunner ones?. Maybe something > not compatible > > from VirtualBox is loaded instead of the right one. > > > The OP should first try > 1. starting firefox in safe mode `firefox -safe-mode' and > see whether > any of the add-ons are to blame. Did that - no change > 2. If that doesn't work, try looking for unreleased lock > files for firefox. > > $ cd ~/.mozilla > $ find -type f -name '*lock' > > If any are found delete them and try again. found .parentlock files in each profile. Deleted them and got the same result ( unable to load XPCOM) 3. If none of the above works try creating a new user and > start firefox there. Created a new user and opened a terminal to run firefox again "unable to load XPCOM" > > And finally if none of the above work appeal to the > co
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe said: > I believe that diverting resources into maintaining older releases > does not further any of the Foundations. It takes resources away from > further the last two principles. I would say that pushing major updates to older releases takes more resources, not less (at least if it is done correctly, with proper testing on each release). > If you want a distribution that moves slower but has a > longer lifecycle, I'm not looking for a longer life-cycle or slower distribution. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 23:43 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote: > On 1 April 2010 23:35, Craig White wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 15:13 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: > >> On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White wrote: > >> > Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own > >> > software packaging, etc. This has nothing to do with Fedora. > >> > > >> > >> And I recently learned they don't even use yum! :-o > > > > well RHEL 4 doesn't but RHEL 5 does. > > > > You can install yum from CentOS 4 on RHEL 4 systems but you have to be > > vigilant about where packages are being installed from because RHEL 4 > > doesn't have repo information for yum. > > EPEL is a better place, as it's packages do not conflict with Red Hat ones. > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel/4/x86_64/repoview/yum.html > well we are getting a bit afield from Fedora here but I tend to use only rpmforge (dag) packages on RHEL systems and on RHELv4 systems, do it the hard way... using only rpm installation for them and do not use yum. In some cases, I prefer the more recent rpmforge packages over the RHEL versions (subversion, spamassassin come immediately to mind) but if I am using RHEL with one of my clients, I tend to be conservative about package installations and I've had some reticence using EPEL packages on RHEL. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 17:35 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Craig White said: > > as far as I can tell, you seem to be the only one confused about Red > > Hat/Fedora. Fedora is a completely separate entity with its own > > management, resources, servers though clearly it was incubated using > > resources supplied by Red Hat. > > While Fedora is a separate entity, Red Hat still provides a significant > amount of resources (that Fedora can't live without). While I might assume that to be true, I really don't know how what resources and to the issue at hand, what influence it asserts to the direction of Fedora. I do have faith that Fedora governance is independent of Red Hat. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On 1 April 2010 23:35, Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 15:13 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: >> On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White wrote: >> > Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own >> > software packaging, etc. This has nothing to do with Fedora. >> > >> >> And I recently learned they don't even use yum! :-o > > well RHEL 4 doesn't but RHEL 5 does. > > You can install yum from CentOS 4 on RHEL 4 systems but you have to be > vigilant about where packages are being installed from because RHEL 4 > doesn't have repo information for yum. EPEL is a better place, as it's packages do not conflict with Red Hat ones. http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel/4/x86_64/repoview/yum.html -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 15:13 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: > On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White wrote: > > Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own > > software packaging, etc. This has nothing to do with Fedora. > > > > And I recently learned they don't even use yum! :-o well RHEL 4 doesn't but RHEL 5 does. You can install yum from CentOS 4 on RHEL 4 systems but you have to be vigilant about where packages are being installed from because RHEL 4 doesn't have repo information for yum. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
Once upon a time, suvayu ali said: > On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White wrote: > > Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own > > software packaging, etc. This has nothing to do with Fedora. > > And I recently learned they don't even use yum! :-o Well, I guess you learned wrong. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
Once upon a time, Craig White said: > as far as I can tell, you seem to be the only one confused about Red > Hat/Fedora. Fedora is a completely separate entity with its own > management, resources, servers though clearly it was incubated using > resources supplied by Red Hat. While Fedora is a separate entity, Red Hat still provides a significant amount of resources (that Fedora can't live without). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White wrote: > Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own > software packaging, etc. This has nothing to do with Fedora. > And I recently learned they don't even use yum! :-o > Craig > -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: New Kernel will not boot
Lawrence E Graves wrote: > I don't know how I can explain this problem. I am not able to record it > or take picture of it a part of problem with computers is that people tend to forget what pencils and paper are for. > there is just too much information on the screen. _normally_, everything you see on screen is not related to why system did not boot. therefore, posting last 4 or 5 lines on screen may get you help you need. also, try booting to level 3, then level 1 to see if system stops. if you can boot level 3 or 1, have a look in '/var/log' to see what is in files 'boot.log', 'dmesg' and 'messages'. if you can not boot level 3 or 1, boot with a previous kernel, or, installation cd/dvd in rescue mode, or, a live cd/dvd, mount drive/partition failing system is on and read above files to see what they show. hth. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: New Firefox Won't run
Hi again, >>> Yesterday I updated to kernel 2.6.32.9.70 fc12 and to firefox-3.5.9-1.fc12 >>> and now firefox won't start. I get a notice in the bottom bar for a few >>> seconds and then it goes blank. >> >> Strange, I have the same package versions and firefox runs fine... >> >>> I tried starting firefox in a terminal and it returned "can't load XPCOM" >>> I tried 'locate XPCOM' and it returned some files in /usr/lib/VirtualBox >>> and /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm >> >> Uhmmm... I don't have virtualbox installed, so this can make the difference. >> >>> I have VirtualBox installed, but I am not trying to run firefox in >>> virtualBox, but on the desktop. >>> I just found that xulrunner-1.9.1.9-1.fc12 was installed at the same time >>> as the new firefox so I suspect the problem is between firefox and >>> xulrunner. >> >> I think the problem here is VirtualBox. >> > > It is improper methodology to start blaming other "most unlikely" > packages before going through the proper troubleshooting steps. Partially agree, but as long as firefox and xulrunner packages are already linked and we have another application in the environment, if there is no configuration issue, I would bet this "another application" is making some noise. I have seen also some python related errors in the past regarding XPCOM. >I don't have VBox installed and that file is there in my system. Believe it or not, mentioned file (XPCOMUtils.jsm) comes in xulrunner package. Check $ rpm -ql xulrunner | grep -i xpcom > xulrunner is what firefox uses for all of its UI and configuration. > (at least that is what I know) > > $ yum deplist firefox | grep xul > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 > dependency: libxul.so()(64bit) > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 > dependency: xulrunner >= 1.9.1.9 > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.i586 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 > dependency: libxul.so()(64bit) > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 > provider: xulrunner.i586 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 Yep, xulrunner is a firefox dependency. >>> I don't know what to try next. I have been using fc12 for a long time >>> successfully for quite a while Any help or advice would be appreciated. >> >> Is it possible for you to check if XPCOM files related from VirtualBox >> conflict with Firefox/xulrunner ones?. Maybe something not compatible >> from VirtualBox is loaded instead of the right one. >> > > The OP should first try > 1. starting firefox in safe mode `firefox -safe-mode' and see whether > any of the add-ons are to blame. > 2. If that doesn't work, try looking for unreleased lock files for firefox. > > $ cd ~/.mozilla > $ find -type f -name '*lock' > > If any are found delete them and try again. > 3. If none of the above works try creating a new user and start firefox there. I would add strace (strace -o strace.log firefox) > And finally if none of the above work appeal to the collective > knowledge of the list with the results from the above. Regards, David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On 1 April 2010 22:23, Marcel Rieux wrote: > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Chris Adams wrote: >> >> Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe said: >> > You keep saying this. I shall make only two points as I am bored of >> > saying this time and time again. >> >> I would welcome you stopping saying this, since you present two extremes >> as the only possible choices (which they are not). > > Though I've been providing this link time and again, Mr Sharpe has chosen to > ignore it: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_release_updates_vision Actually I read it before, although I have no idea whether it was due to a post by you - I believe it to be largely a statement of the current status-quo. Perhaps you read it differently to me. * The update repositories for stable releases of the Fedora distribution should provide our users with a consistent and high quality stream of updates. I haven't seen huge issues with updates for releases. I realise other people might have, but that doesn't indicate an endemic problem of brokenness in Fedora, nor that the aims have changed. * Stable releases should provide a consistent user experience throughout the lifecycle, and only fix bugs and security issues. Again, I haven't personally seen evidence that Updates to a Fedora release have massively changed the User Experience - but then I'm not a KDE user. * Stable releases should not be used for tracking upstream version closely when this is likely to change the user experience beyond fixing bugs and security issues. This is currently true - they do not. * Close tracking of upstream should be done in the Rawhide repo wherever possible, and we should strive to move our patches upstream. This is the current situation * More skilled and/or intrepid users are encouraged to use Rawhide along with participating in testing of stable branches during the development and pre-release period. This is the current situation * Stable releases, pre-release branches, and Rawhide have a graduated approach to what types of updates are expected. For example, a pre-release branch should accept some updates which a stable release would not, and rawhide would accept updates that are not appropriate for either a stable release or a pre-release. This is the current situation. e.g. major software versions can change between F12 Alpha and Beta releases. * Project members should be able to transparently measure or monitor a new updates process to objectively measure its effectiveness, and determine whether the updates process is achieving the aforementioned vision statements. Not something I can comment on. As I understand it, in the above terminology: Rawhide == Rawhide Pre-release == Fxx Alpha, Fxx, Beta, Fxx RC Stable == Fxx -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 16:55 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > I've written a case study about how Ubuntu is run and how Red Hat > is/should, IMO, be run. >From a non-geek like me, it might seem > pretentious. pretentious would probably be a most generous characterization. Get a blog. Spare us. Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own software packaging, etc. This has nothing to do with Fedora. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On 1 April 2010 22:06, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe said: >> You keep saying this. I shall make only two points as I am bored of >> saying this time and time again. > > I would welcome you stopping saying this, since you present two extremes > as the only possible choices (which they are not). The Fedora Project Foundations are: - Freedom - Friends - Features - First I believe that diverting resources into maintaining older releases does not further any of the Foundations. It takes resources away from further the last two principles. To quote the Release Life Cycle page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Life_Cycle Maintenance Schedule Rationale Fedora is focused on free and open source software innovations and moves quickly. If you want a distribution that moves slower but has a longer lifecycle, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, which is derivative of Fedora or free rebuilds of that such as CentOS might be more suitable for you. Refer to the RHEL page for more details. Historically, the Fedora Project has found supporting two releases plus Rawhide and the pre-release Branched code to be a manageable work load. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 17:23 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Chris Adams > wrote: > Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe > said: > > You keep saying this. I shall make only two points as I am > bored of > > saying this time and time again. > > > I would welcome you stopping saying this, since you present > two extremes > as the only possible choices (which they are not). > > Though I've been providing this link time and again, Mr Sharpe has > chosen to ignore it: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_release_updates_vision > > Some people believe they're running Red Hat/Fedora. That's the way it > is. Feuding about this will lead nowhere. If you intend to keep this > thread clean for a serious discussion, I suggest you ignore these > posts. There should be others. as far as I can tell, you seem to be the only one confused about Red Hat/Fedora. Fedora is a completely separate entity with its own management, resources, servers though clearly it was incubated using resources supplied by Red Hat. In reality, there is no discussion going on here except that you seem to want to find some larger back story about Paul's intentions to step down as FPL and he has given you his explanation, it's really time to move on. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: New Kernel will not boot
Am Donnerstag, den 01.04.2010, 07:33 -0600 schrieb Lawrence E Graves: > When I install it and reboot my system it stops at the > Fedora sign in the middle of the screen. Press the ESC key to see any messages. Maybe https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=578217 applies to you. Greets. -- Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo - nosp...@gmail.com otbits.blogspot.com / counter.li.org: #367962 -- The Microsoft Torque Wrench: what do you want to shear today? -- Malcolm Ray -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe said: > > You keep saying this. I shall make only two points as I am bored of > > saying this time and time again. > > I would welcome you stopping saying this, since you present two extremes > as the only possible choices (which they are not). > Though I've been providing this link time and again, Mr Sharpe has chosen to ignore it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_release_updates_vision Some people believe they're running Red Hat/Fedora. That's the way it is. Feuding about this will lead nowhere. If you intend to keep this thread clean for a serious discussion, I suggest you ignore these posts. There should be others. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: New Firefox Won't run
On 1 April 2010 12:13, David García Granda wrote: > Hi Don, > >> Yesterday I updated to kernel 2.6.32.9.70 fc12 and to firefox-3.5.9-1.fc12 >> and now firefox won't start. I get a notice in the bottom bar for a few >> seconds and then it goes blank. > > Strange, I have the same package versions and firefox runs fine... > >> I tried starting firefox in a terminal and it returned "can't load XPCOM" >> I tried 'locate XPCOM' and it returned some files in /usr/lib/VirtualBox and >> /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm > > Uhmmm... I don't have virtualbox installed, so this can make the difference. > >> I have VirtualBox installed, but I am not trying to run firefox in >> virtualBox, but on the desktop. >> I just found that xulrunner-1.9.1.9-1.fc12 was installed at the same time >> as the new firefox so I suspect the problem is between firefox and xulrunner. > > I think the problem here is VirtualBox. > It is improper methodology to start blaming other "most unlikely" packages before going through the proper troubleshooting steps. I don't have VBox installed and that file is there in my system. xulrunner is what firefox uses for all of its UI and configuration. (at least that is what I know) $ yum deplist firefox | grep xul provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 dependency: libxul.so()(64bit) provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 dependency: xulrunner >= 1.9.1.9 provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 provider: xulrunner.i586 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 dependency: libxul.so()(64bit) provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1.9-1.fc11 provider: xulrunner.x86_64 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 provider: xulrunner.i586 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11 >> I don't know what to try next. I have been using fc12 for a long time >> successfully for quite a while Any help or advice would be appreciated. > > Is it possible for you to check if XPCOM files related from VirtualBox > conflict with Firefox/xulrunner ones?. Maybe something not compatible > from VirtualBox is loaded instead of the right one. > The OP should first try 1. starting firefox in safe mode `firefox -safe-mode' and see whether any of the add-ons are to blame. 2. If that doesn't work, try looking for unreleased lock files for firefox. $ cd ~/.mozilla $ find -type f -name '*lock' If any are found delete them and try again. 3. If none of the above works try creating a new user and start firefox there. And finally if none of the above work appeal to the collective knowledge of the list with the results from the above. > HTH, > > David -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
New Kernel will not boot
I don't know how I can explain this problem. I am not able to record it or take picture of it and there is just too much information on the screen. If I can be told what to look for, this might help fix the problem. I really don't know what to do.:-S Lawrence E Graves -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe said: > You keep saying this. I shall make only two points as I am bored of > saying this time and time again. I would welcome you stopping saying this, since you present two extremes as the only possible choices (which they are not). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On 1 April 2010 21:55, Marcel Rieux wrote: > As I already observed here, Ubuntu, Google, Intel/Nokia are newcomers > on the free/open source scene and if Red Hat is to keep up, even though > it's presently doing quite well, some important changes are needed. Red > Hat/Fedora will have to provide *very* stable final releases AND keep > developers happy. You keep saying this. I shall make only two points as I am bored of saying this time and time again. 1) The "Stable" offering is Red Hat Enterprise Linux. - If you lack the resources to afford this, take advantage of the CentOS project. It's really quite good. 2) The "Fast Moving" offering is Fedora Linux. - It's companion, Rawhide, offers even more chance to bleed. The only difference between Canonical and Red Hat I can see, it that all Ubuntu releases are under one brand (stable just appends the letters "LTS", whereas Red Hat chose a while ago to have two brands for two different products with two different names. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Looking for a monitor driver
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 03:25:48PM -0400, Margaret Doll wrote: > We are trying to attach a Dell E2210H monitor to a Dell X260 Optiplex > which is running 2.6.10-1.771_FC2. > > I have found the drivers for Windows but not for Fedora. Where can I > access monitor drivers for Fedora? As noted in this thread, there are no separate "drivers" to install for this monitor. I did update the hwdata MonitorsDB database file in August 2009 to include these lines: Dell; Dell E2210H(Analog); DELD030; 30.0-83.0; 50.0-76.0; 1 Dell; Dell E2210H(Digital); DELD031; 30.0-83.0; 50.0-76.0; 1 On FC2 I couldn't begin to tell you where the MonitorsDB file is though... Thanks, Matt P.S.: I do periodically grab all the Windows *.inf files for all Dell monitors, as published on support.dell.com, and update the MonitorsDB file in the hwdata package with them. On any newish Linux version though, this data is extracted from talking to the monitor directly, rather than looked up in the MonitorsDB file. The Windows .inf format for monitors is fairly limited in terms of describing the various modes, and in particular, native resolution, of a given LCD; the Linux MonitorsDB format even more so. Much better to use a newer version of Xorg that can do the ECC directly. -- Matt Domsch Technology Strategist Dell | Office of the CTO -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:20:30PM -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > >On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Alan Cox <[1]a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk > > > >wrote: > > > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:07:33 -0400 > > Marcel Rieux <[2]m.z.ri...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I've been a bit late to get to the Distrowatch weekly this week > but I > > > finally heard about Paul Frields, the Fedora Project Leader, > stepping > > down. > > > > Can you explain why you posted this to the support list. It doesn't > look > > like a bug or configuration problem to me. > > > >Since I'm neither a developer nor an administrator, I thought I'd post > on > >the user list. Where should I have posted? > > You're welcome to email me directly, which is one option! :-) > I can do this, but I'd prefer to discuss this openly. IMO, and in that of other persons I believe, Red Hat/Fedora is facing a management problem which has to do with how updates to the final stable release should be handled. On the one side, there is your vision, and that of Red Hat. On the other, this one: < http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2010-March/008216.html > > At first I thought this might be an April Fools Day joke. Though it wasn't intended to be posted as an April Fool's joke, I do know a ltille bit more on the situation than I pretended. By giving incorrect information on your position, I just wanted to have users voice their opinion. It seems it's going to be tough. I can assure you that I'm under no pressure from anyone to step down, > I never said this. I personaly think you were doing a fine job... in the circumstances. I've written a case study about how Ubuntu is run and how Red Hat is/should, IMO, be run. From a non-geek like me, it might seem pretentious. It's nonetheless my opinion. For now, it's only a draft, but I should be able to finalize it in a day or two. As I already observed here, Ubuntu, Google, Intel/Nokia are newcomers on the free/open source scene and, if Red Hat is to keep up, even though it's presently doing quite well, some important changes are needed. Red Hat/Fedora will have to provide *very* stable final releases AND keep developers happy. If you want to continue this discussion privately, it's your choice. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to Update Firefox with Fedora 12 and use Firefox's "Check for Updates"?
On 1 April 2010 18:42, psmith wrote: > On 31/03/10 17:12, Michael Thompson wrote: >> On 31/03/10 16:35, Temlakos wrote: >> >> >>> This much is a fact: Firefox is at least one minor version ahead of >>> Fedora in its updates. We are at Firefox 3.5.8; Firefox already has >>> version 3.6.2 out. >>> >>> Temlakos >>> >>> >> And OpenOffice is lagging behind too. >> >> > then why don't you both get off your a**es and help the packagers > package and test the newer releases instead of just blowing off at > volunteers who are giving you something for free? > > I wasnt "Blowing off". Read the thread then reply. -- Michael http://maverickapollo.wordpress.com To see a World in a Grain of Sand And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour. --William Blake -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:20:30PM -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: >On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Alan Cox <[1]a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> >wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:07:33 -0400 > Marcel Rieux <[2]m.z.ri...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I've been a bit late to get to the Distrowatch weekly this week but I > > finally heard about Paul Frields, the Fedora Project Leader, stepping > down. > > Can you explain why you posted this to the support list. It doesn't look > like a bug or configuration problem to me. > >Since I'm neither a developer nor an administrator, I thought I'd post on >the user list. Where should I have posted? You're welcome to email me directly, which is one option! :-) At first I thought this might be an April Fools Day joke. I was working on a couple projects for Fedora when someone clued me in to this thread. I can assure you that I'm under no pressure from anyone to step down, and I'm certainly *not* stepping down because of any "heat," perceived or real! This job has been an incredibly enjoyable part of my life for the last 2+ years. I love doing this job, and the people I get to work with as a result. But there were two factors that, together, told me it was time to start the process of handing the reins to someone who could take over, and bring Fedora to the next level: * There's a sort of natural rhythm to this job, as Max Spevack talked about in his blog here: http://spevack.livejournal.com/39464.html Healthy turnover is part of any good free software project, and Fedora and its leadership are no exceptions. I'm actually the fifth project leader, as you can see here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FPL * A tremendously attractive opportunity inside Red Hat has come up that won't last forever. It would be a really unique way for me to continue contributing to open source, albeit slightly differently than I do it now. I took the FPL job in part because I didn't want to say to myself one day, "If only I'd..." or "I regret that I never..." And not for a moment have I regretted my decision to come to Red Hat and do this job. Similarly, I think this next job has that kind of appeal. So that's all there is to it. I don't think there's any reason to look for a hidden agenda, there's simply not one. The Fedora community always has interesting issues and decisions to make as we try to improve our Project and the distro. You can look back in our mail archives for years and see where we disagree, find consensus, and continue forward. Having been part of this project for six and a half years, I've certainly seen my share! I'm thankful for my peers and friends in the Fedora community who have been extremely supportive since day one of my job as FPL. I'm thankful for my other coworkers and managers in Red Hat who work outside the Fedora community, because I benefit from their knowledge, passion, and devotion to open source every day. And finally, I'm thankful for the transparency we have in Fedora, because it allows me to keep the community informed, as we work on the transition to a new FPL -- just one event of many every release that keeps us a vibrant, healthy, and growing community. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Chris Tyler wrote: > >> On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 13:07 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: >> > I've been a bit late to get to the Distrowatch weekly this week but I >> > finally heard about Paul Frields, the Fedora Project Leader, stepping >> > down. >> ... >> > So, I was wondering if somebody who followed the matter could just >> > drop a few lines explaing what the real story is. >> >> Better yet, Paul can answer your questions directly (he's here on this >> list). >> > > If he has any information on where Fedora is headed I'd certainly be > interested to hear form him... That is, if the user list is the right place > to give users some information about Fedora. > > > > There's no conflict behind this change > > I'm glad to hear that all the Fedora people are moving along as a team! > I'm not much a calendar man. I usually find out it's the 1st of April by all the silly jokes I see all over the place. To which point? you may wonder. Well, I once was with a friend in a field near LaRochelle on a 13th of July and we were wondering why there ws so much traffic on this country road. It was around midnight when we finally figured it out. Fireworks might have helped :) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Chris Tyler wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 13:07 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > I've been a bit late to get to the Distrowatch weekly this week but I > > finally heard about Paul Frields, the Fedora Project Leader, stepping > > down. > ... > > So, I was wondering if somebody who followed the matter could just > > drop a few lines explaing what the real story is. > > Better yet, Paul can answer your questions directly (he's here on this > list). > If he has any information on where Fedora is headed I'd certainly be interested to hear form him... That is, if the user list is the right place to give users some information about Fedora. > There's no conflict behind this change I'm glad to hear that all the Fedora people are moving along as a team! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:07:33 -0400 > Marcel Rieux wrote: > > > I've been a bit late to get to the Distrowatch weekly this week but I > > finally heard about Paul Frields, the Fedora Project Leader, stepping > down. > > Can you explain why you posted this to the support list. It doesn't look > like a bug or configuration problem to me. > > Since I'm neither a developer nor an administrator, I thought I'd post on the user list. Where should I have posted? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: New Firefox Won't run
Hi Don, > Yesterday I updated to kernel 2.6.32.9.70 fc12 and to firefox-3.5.9-1.fc12 > and now firefox won't start. I get a notice in the bottom bar for a few > seconds and then it goes blank. Strange, I have the same package versions and firefox runs fine... > I tried starting firefox in a terminal and it returned "can't load XPCOM" > I tried 'locate XPCOM' and it returned some files in /usr/lib/VirtualBox and > /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm Uhmmm... I don't have virtualbox installed, so this can make the difference. > I have VirtualBox installed, but I am not trying to run firefox in > virtualBox, but on the desktop. > I just found that xulrunner-1.9.1.9-1.fc12 was installed at the same time as > the new firefox so I suspect the problem is between firefox and xulrunner. I think the problem here is VirtualBox. > I don't know what to try next. I have been using fc12 for a long time > successfully for quite a while Any help or advice would be appreciated. Is it possible for you to check if XPCOM files related from VirtualBox conflict with Firefox/xulrunner ones?. Maybe something not compatible from VirtualBox is loaded instead of the right one. HTH, David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
New Firefox Won't run
Yesterday I updated to kernel 2.6.32.9.70 fc12 and to firefox-3.5.9-1.fc12 and now firefox won't start. I get a notice in the bottom bar for a few seconds and then it goes blank. I tried starting firefox in a terminal and it returned "can't load XPCOM" I tried 'locate XPCOM' and it returned some files in /usr/lib/VirtualBox and /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm I have VirtualBox installed, but I am not trying to run firefox in virtualBox, but on the desktop. I just found that xulrunner-1.9.1.9-1.fc12 was installed at the same time as the new firefox so I suspect the problem is between firefox and xulrunner. I don't know what to try next. I have been using fc12 for a long time successfully for quite a while Any help or advice would be appreciated. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: update help
Am 01.04.2010 18:53, schrieb Olaniyi Moluga: Hi! > Thanks a lot I really appreciate but upgrading had been a problem > because whenever I run a yum update I still get similar errors. I can image that. :) But still, those "errors" can be safely ignored, if yum finally succeeds. If in the end you get a message something like "no more mirror servers available" then no server could be reached and then we can look what the problem really is. > I plan > to upgrade to F12 but the problem now is the update.I guess a new > installation would resolve the problem but my fear is my windows > partition,is there a way the grub loader could be maintained while I > install F12 on the old F10? The windows partition is not really a problem. GRUB takes care of Windows partitions an can present them in its menu - you can still boot into Windows. But having two Linux installation is a little bit more tricky. Grub can handle any number of installations (Windows, Linux, etc.) but on each kernel update yum updates the grub configuration and puts a reference to the new kernel there. But you want to keep F10 and F12 together. So both system need to access the /boot partition. If you did not designate a separate partition for /boot then you must decide which system will be the "leading" system. For the sake of this example let's say you install F12 in a new partition. F10 is still present on your disk. You have edit /boot/grub/grub.conf manually and enter references to the kernel(s) and root partition of F10. Then you can boot both systems. But I do not know what yum will do to your entries on the next kernel update. I suppose it will leave them alone, but maybe a better GRUB expert can answer this question...? P.S. Please do not post full quotes, it is not necessary and not seasonable. -- bye Adalbert -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Windows partition?
Hi, > > I've been trying to install XP using qemu for almost 24 hours now. I > > have one specific task that I need XP for (Winforms design). I can't get > > Visual C# 2005 to work under Wine or Crossover Office so I need to get > > something working. > > I would recommend VirtualBox over qemu. You don't need hardware > virtualization support in VB. Or try KVM, but VB seems pretty easy to > setup. Can't seem to install VB under rawhide... That said, I can't get -enable-kvm to be accepted as a command line under qemu... TTFN Paul -- Biggles was quietly reading his favourite book when Algy burst through the door. Distracted for a moment, Biggles surveyed what had happened and turned a page. "Algy old man" he said, clearing his throat, "use the handle next time..." - Taken from "Biggles combs his Hair" signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to Update Firefox with Fedora 12 and use Firefox's "Check for Updates"?
On 31/03/10 17:12, Michael Thompson wrote: > On 31/03/10 16:35, Temlakos wrote: > > >> This much is a fact: Firefox is at least one minor version ahead of >> Fedora in its updates. We are at Firefox 3.5.8; Firefox already has >> version 3.6.2 out. >> >> Temlakos >> >> > And OpenOffice is lagging behind too. > > then why don't you both get off your a**es and help the packagers package and test the newer releases instead of just blowing off at volunteers who are giving you something for free? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 13:07 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > So, I was wondering if somebody who followed the matter could just > drop a few lines explaing what the real story is. Could the real story be that it's April 1st? poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: New Kernel will not boot
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 15:45 +0100, Michal wrote: > On 01/04/2010 15:18, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 07:33:09 -0600, > > Lawrence E Graves wrote: > >> I am having trouble with the installing of the new kernel release about > >> 2 days ago. When I install it and reboot my system it stops at the > >> Fedora sign in the middle of the screen. It is hard for me to explain > >> exactly what is happening because I am not good with the technical terms > >> used. > > > > When you report issues like this please state the kernel version you are > > using. New kernels come out pretty often and even if we new which Fedora > > release you are using, we wouldn't be sure which kernel version you are > > using. > > I have seen this, if memory serves correct while it's doing this you can > press F7 or F8 (I can't remember which) and it shows text instead of an > image. It could have trouble starting a service or running chkdsk. Do > this and say where it is stuck. Press Esc (Escape) for console messages. Also, chkdsk is a Windows utility. I presume you mean fsck. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 13:07 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > I've been a bit late to get to the Distrowatch weekly this week but I > finally heard about Paul Frields, the Fedora Project Leader, stepping > down. ... > So, I was wondering if somebody who followed the matter could just > drop a few lines explaing what the real story is. Better yet, Paul can answer your questions directly (he's here on this list). There's no conflict behind this change; Fedora tends to switch FPLs frequently, and this is quite routine. The FPL role has high demands in terms of energy, hours, and travel, and in fact, Paul has overseen more releases than any of his predecessors. Past FPLs usually continue with Red Hat, often with the Community Architecture team: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FPL -Chris -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:07:33 -0400 Marcel Rieux wrote: > I've been a bit late to get to the Distrowatch weekly this week but I > finally heard about Paul Frields, the Fedora Project Leader, stepping down. Can you explain why you posted this to the support list. It doesn't look like a bug or configuration problem to me. Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Audio Device Permission setting
On 04/01/2010 10:00 AM, Leonard Adjei wrote: > I've been using MP3Act, an AJAX based web application that allows you > to organize your music centrally. > The thing is, I've been using the application partially being limited > to streaming mode only.Mp3act has a > jukebox mode too that allows the user to play directly from the web > page. In the installation documentation the user > needs to "set the permissions of the audio device to be writable by > the apache user". > > I do not know how to do this, does anyone have any ideas or theories > regarding this??? Why in the world would a streaming _server_ need access to the audio? If it's streaming, it shouldn't be touching the audio hardware. The _client_ might need something weird (not really, you can play Flash and such without changes), but the _server_? The only thing I can think of is that jukebox mode makes the server actually play the audio on the server through the server's audio hardware and MP3Act behaves as nothing more than a web-based remote control for the server. If that's the case, I think all you'd need is to add the apache user to the "audio" group. As root: # usermod -a -G audio apache then restart Apache. Don't know for sure. SELinux might also get in the way on this. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Perseverance: When you're too damned stubborn to say "I quit!" - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
FPL steps down: what's the real story?
I've been a bit late to get to the Distrowatch weekly this week but I finally heard about Paul Frields, the Fedora Project Leader, stepping down. "I’m interested in branching out into other ways of championing free and open source software at Red Hat", he says. http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=3085 But is this really all there is to it? In a bottom note, he adds that "it might have been difficult to figure out how to write this message" and that he had to look "to see how our previous FPL handled the delicate matter of succession". About 2 weeks ago, I skimmed over an article explaining that there was some unrest between developers or administrators as to the direction Fedora should take. Some were for faster updates to the stable release, some for a more stable stable release. Frields being named by Red Hat, and Red Hat being more server than desktop oriented, was, I believe, for using Fedora as a test bench and for faster updates, whereas the other clan stood for competing against the likes of Ubuntu and providing more stable releases. Whatever the case may be, Frields kinda got caught up in the middle. Maybe he decided it was too hot to handle? Of course, I could study the matter myself but, my pharmacist and doctor disagreeing on the matter, I'll have to spend a "little time" estimating the appropriateness of prescribing IECA (Coversyl) with ARA (Cozaar) in my peculair case. If you don't know what fun is, this looks pretty much like it:) So, I was wondering if somebody who followed the matter could just drop a few lines explaing what the real story is. TIA. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Audio Device Permission setting
I've been using MP3Act, an AJAX based web application that allows you to organize your music centrally. The thing is, I've been using the application partially being limited to streaming mode only.Mp3act has a jukebox mode too that allows the user to play directly from the web page. In the installation documentation the user needs to "set the permissions of the audio device to be writable by the apache user". I do not know how to do this, does anyone have any ideas or theories regarding this??? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: update help
Hello Adalbert Thanks a lot I really appreciate but upgrading had been a problem because whenever I run a yum update I still get similar errors.I plan to upgrade to F12 but the problem now is the update.I guess a new installation would resolve the problem but my fear is my windows partition,is there a way the grub loader could be maintained while I install F12 on the old F10? Regards, Olaniyi Moluga BT Education Services Ikoyi,Lagos +2348034429391 +2348033805852 --- On Thu, 4/1/10, Adalbert Prokop wrote: From: Adalbert Prokop Subject: Re: update help To: niyimol...@yahoo.com, "Community support for Fedora users" Date: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 12:40 PM Am 01.04.2010 10:21, schrieb Olaniyi Moluga: Hello! > [r...@localhost olaniyi]# yum -y update > > Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit > > http://linux.mirrors.es.net/fedora/updates/10/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: > [Errno 4] IOError: > > Trying other mirror. > > http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: > [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Not Found > > Trying other mirror. Does the output end here? From those message I conclude that either these servers are down (no route to host), or the fedora mirror on the specified server has been (re)moved (HTTP 404). Yum will continue through its list of update servers, until it finds an available one. So you can ignore those messages if yum reports a successful connection at the end. Those errors are not surprising, since Fedora 10 has reached "end of life" - there will be no updates any more for F10. Therefore I would suggest an update to F12. -- bye Adalbert -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: update help
Am 01.04.2010 10:21, schrieb Olaniyi Moluga: Hello! > [r...@localhost olaniyi]# yum -y update > > Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit > > http://linux.mirrors.es.net/fedora/updates/10/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: > [Errno 4] IOError: > > Trying other mirror. > > http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: > [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Not Found > > Trying other mirror. Does the output end here? From those message I conclude that either these servers are down (no route to host), or the fedora mirror on the specified server has been (re)moved (HTTP 404). Yum will continue through its list of update servers, until it finds an available one. So you can ignore those messages if yum reports a successful connection at the end. Those errors are not surprising, since Fedora 10 has reached "end of life" - there will be no updates any more for F10. Therefore I would suggest an update to F12. -- bye Adalbert -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: New Kernel will not boot
On 04/01/2010 06:33 AM, Lawrence E Graves wrote: > I am having trouble with the installing of the new kernel release about > 2 days ago. When I install it and reboot my system it stops at the > Fedora sign in the middle of the screen. It is hard for me to explain > exactly what is happening because I am not good with the technical terms > used. > Next time you boot, hold down Ctrl at the bios screen -- it will let you select which kernel version to boot. Most likely, the kernel version you can't boot is 2.6.32.10-90 -- I'm having problems with it as well. Specifically, on 2 Dell laptops, one using nvidia driver, another one using open source radeon driver. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: no flash in chromium-browser (from /spot.fedorapeople.org/chromium/F12/)
On 04/01/2010 10:35 AM, Neal Becker wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > >> On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 08:09 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: >> >>> Mail Lists wrote: >>> >>> On 03/31/2010 07:38 AM, Neal Becker wrote: > flash works in google-chrome. This is F12-x86_64. Using > 32-bit flash wrapped for 64 bit. > > In chromium-browser 5.0.365.0 flash is detected, but does not work. > In > about:plugins flash is there (1st item). But visiting a flash site > says > 'missing plugin'. I duplicated the working google-chrome setup > (copied /opt/google/chrome/plugins to > /usr/lib64/chromium-browser/plugins, which is all just symlinks to > /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins-wrapped, and which all works in > google-chrome and in firefox). > > It has never worked in chromium (I had no end of problems with chromium) - stick with google-chrome. FYI - the beta 64 bit flash works fine too ... gene >>> I'm curious about what will happen with /spot.fedorapeople.org/chromium/ >>> when chromium has integrated flash. >>> >> I realize that Google Chrome is going that way, but do you know for a >> fact that Chromium is going to integrate Flash? >> >> poc >> >> > Don't know, good question. > > > FC12-X86_64 I'm using the same version 5.0.365.0 of Chromium and Flash is playing on all websites, in fact even on Foxnews where Firefox won't. I think your problem is in Fedora or you haven't imported all the settings over from Firefox to Chromuim. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [389-users] Cache tuning errors
On Thursday 01 April 2010 16:58:18 j...@scusting.com wrote: > > on 64bit or 32bit? > Fedora 10 - 32bit: Linux 2.6.27.25-170.2.72.fc10.i686.PAE #1 SMP Sun > Jun 21 18:51:33 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux so that's it.. ;) see rich answer. on 64bit I got no issues. Peace, R. -- Roberto Polli Babel S.r.l. - http://www.babel.it Tel. +39.06.91801075 - fax +39.06.91612446 Tel. cel +39.340.6522736 P.zza S.Benedetto da Norcia, 33 - 00040 Pomezia (Roma) "Il seguente messaggio contiene informazioni riservate. Qualora questo messaggio fosse da Voi ricevuto per errore, Vogliate cortesemente darcene notizia a mezzo e-mail. Vi sollecitiamo altresì a distruggere il messaggio erroneamente ricevuto. Quanto precede Vi viene chiesto ai fini del rispetto della legge in materia di protezione dei dati personali." -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: New Kernel will not boot
On 04/01/2010 08:18 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > dell inspiron e1705 The former laptop has a Ati chipset and the 1705 has a Nvidia chipset. I would suggest it is the Video driver setup that is causing the problem Whenever I do a update that has a new kernel the kernel mod must be installed for the new kernel Nvidia 195.36 proprietary driver need mod for kernel 2.6.32.10-90 Same for Ati drivers -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: New Kernel will not boot
On 04/01/2010 06:33 AM, Lawrence E Graves wrote: > I am having trouble with the installing of the new kernel release about > 2 days ago. When I install it and reboot my system it stops at the > Fedora sign in the middle of the screen. It is hard for me to explain > exactly what is happening because I am not good with the technical terms > used. > What are you using for a Video Card. The problem could be when you updated your kernel your video drivers did not get updated. The proper kernel mod for your kernel must be installed as well as the driver Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: New Kernel will not boot
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 08:35:19 -0600, Lawrence E Graves wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 09:18 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 07:33:09 -0600, > > Lawrence E Graves wrote: > > > I am having trouble with the installing of the new kernel release about > > > 2 days ago. When I install it and reboot my system it stops at the > > > Fedora sign in the middle of the screen. It is hard for me to explain > > > exactly what is happening because I am not good with the technical terms > > > used. > > > > When you report issues like this please state the kernel version you are > > using. New kernels come out pretty often and even if we new which Fedora > > release you are using, we wouldn't be sure which kernel version you are > > using. > I guess that would make sense. With all that you have going on, being > precise would help. The kernel I am talking about is > 2.6.32.10-90.fc12.x86_64. I am trying to install it on dell inspiron > 1501 and dell inspiron e1705. Is this enough information? Please let me > know. > I am trying to learn. I am going to push this back over to the users list so that other can see the information. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Windows partition?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/2010 11:08 PM, Michal wrote: > >> >> You don't have the install cdrom ? >> > > My friend had a problem with their laptop and the Vista Business key > sticker was on the back but they had no Vista Business CD. I simply > downloaded the CD. It does get a little difficult legally, I mean > anti-download groups could say "HE'S DOWNLOADING STUFFBAN HIM!!!" > but actually I have the key and all I needed was the CD, so really there > is nothing illegal about that...but I am not clued up with this legal stuff My point was ... If you have the cdrom (and, or course, the license key), it's really a no brainer. Install off the cdrom WITHIN virt-manager into an image file, is straight forward. QEMU if you don't have VT support, KVM if you do. All this nonsense about mbr and grub and what not earlier this thread is completely irrelevant because you're installing into a vm. The file itself *becomes* the "C drive" ... :-) All the best, - -Greg - -- +-+ Please also check the log file at "/dev/null" for additional information. (from /var/log/Xorg.setup.log) | Greg Hosler ghos...@redhat.com| +-+ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku0uO8ACgkQ404fl/0CV/R4XgCeJwhw3rUVQ44szIPgCeLBMu1Z k80An0xWz9kAJothgzDwTIWkQDGruNPk =R20R -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Windows partition?
> > You don't have the install cdrom ? > My friend had a problem with their laptop and the Vista Business key sticker was on the back but they had no Vista Business CD. I simply downloaded the CD. It does get a little difficult legally, I mean anti-download groups could say "HE'S DOWNLOADING STUFFBAN HIM!!!" but actually I have the key and all I needed was the CD, so really there is nothing illegal about that...but I am not clued up with this legal stuff -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Windows partition?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/2010 10:14 PM, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying to install XP using qemu for almost 24 hours now. I > have one specific task that I need XP for (Winforms design). I can't get > Visual C# 2005 to work under Wine or Crossover Office so I need to get > something working. > > I have a shed load of space on a secondary drive, so I was thinking of > making a 20Gb partition on it (as FAT32), booting from an XP disc and > installing onto there. > > I don't know if it will be a problem installing to a secondary drive > rather than primary, so advise is needed here. Is it safe to do this or > am I going to trash things by doing it? You don't have the install cdrom ? - -G > TTFN > > Paul > - -- +-+ Please also check the log file at "/dev/null" for additional information. (from /var/log/Xorg.setup.log) | Greg Hosler ghos...@redhat.com| +-+ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku0tVAACgkQ404fl/0CV/RAmgCeM8pqrmQRchHovEcXzDAokn/x ZjcAoMAQWmOul5Gz6nYAC+tfyrEmMFHj =YpPf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: New Kernel will not boot
On 01/04/2010 15:18, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 07:33:09 -0600, > Lawrence E Graves wrote: >> I am having trouble with the installing of the new kernel release about >> 2 days ago. When I install it and reboot my system it stops at the >> Fedora sign in the middle of the screen. It is hard for me to explain >> exactly what is happening because I am not good with the technical terms >> used. > > When you report issues like this please state the kernel version you are > using. New kernels come out pretty often and even if we new which Fedora > release you are using, we wouldn't be sure which kernel version you are > using. I have seen this, if memory serves correct while it's doing this you can press F7 or F8 (I can't remember which) and it shows text instead of an image. It could have trouble starting a service or running chkdsk. Do this and say where it is stuck. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Upcoming Fedora User & Developer Conferences
Max Spevack wrote: > FUDCon Zurich will be held in Zurich, Switzerland from September 17-19. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Zurich_2010 > I've registered! I can recommend anyone to do the same ;-) -- Jeroen -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Windows partition?
> > Be very careful. I think XP will automatically write the NTLDR > (Windows boot system) to the primary drive and primary partition even > if you install elsewhere. So you might possible destroy your Fedora > GRUB (your Fedora data/partitions should be safe). > > You might consider unplugging the first drive when installing XP. So > you don't accidentally overwrite something on the main drive. That > being said it might be least destructive to have XP on the first > partition on the 2nd drive (assuming that's possible). > > You can always later use GRUB to chainload. Adding XP to boot from > GRUB is very simple 2 lines to '/boot/grub/grub.conf' > > title Windows XP > rootnoverify (hd1,0) > chainloader +1 > > hd1 = 2nd drive (hd0 would be first) > 0 = first partition > > I have not done this in a long time, but was successful in the past. > Normally, if you install *nix then install Windows, Windows will over write the loader and you will end up with only XP booting, however it is possible to recover by using a LiveCD. If you install XP then install *nix you do not have this problem. I can't remember where I found the article, it was either while searching for Ubuntu or Gentoo stuff, and it is a little more involved then simply install windows first, but you can do it -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: no flash in chromium-browser (from /spot.fedorapeople.org/chromium/F12/)
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 08:09 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: >> Mail Lists wrote: >> >> > On 03/31/2010 07:38 AM, Neal Becker wrote: >> >> flash works in google-chrome. This is F12-x86_64. Using >> >> 32-bit flash wrapped for 64 bit. >> >> >> >> In chromium-browser 5.0.365.0 flash is detected, but does not work. >> >> In >> >> about:plugins flash is there (1st item). But visiting a flash site >> >> says >> >> 'missing plugin'. I duplicated the working google-chrome setup >> >> (copied /opt/google/chrome/plugins to >> >> /usr/lib64/chromium-browser/plugins, which is all just symlinks to >> >> /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins-wrapped, and which all works in >> >> google-chrome and in firefox). >> >> >> > >> > >> > It has never worked in chromium (I had no end of problems with >> > chromium) - stick with google-chrome. >> > >> > FYI - the beta 64 bit flash works fine too ... >> > >> > gene >> >> I'm curious about what will happen with /spot.fedorapeople.org/chromium/ >> when chromium has integrated flash. > > I realize that Google Chrome is going that way, but do you know for a > fact that Chromium is going to integrate Flash? > > poc > Don't know, good question. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Windows partition?
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying to install XP using qemu for almost 24 hours now. I > have one specific task that I need XP for (Winforms design). I can't get > Visual C# 2005 to work under Wine or Crossover Office so I need to get > something working. I would recommend VirtualBox over qemu. You don't need hardware virtualization support in VB. Or try KVM, but VB seems pretty easy to setup. > I have a shed load of space on a secondary drive, so I was thinking of > making a 20Gb partition on it (as FAT32), booting from an XP disc and > installing onto there. I would recommend NTFS over FAT32. Keep in mind NTFS is read/write supported in Fedora. > I don't know if it will be a problem installing to a secondary drive > rather than primary, so advise is needed here. Is it safe to do this or > am I going to trash things by doing it? Be very careful. I think XP will automatically write the NTLDR (Windows boot system) to the primary drive and primary partition even if you install elsewhere. So you might possible destroy your Fedora GRUB (your Fedora data/partitions should be safe). You might consider unplugging the first drive when installing XP. So you don't accidentally overwrite something on the main drive. That being said it might be least destructive to have XP on the first partition on the 2nd drive (assuming that's possible). You can always later use GRUB to chainload. Adding XP to boot from GRUB is very simple 2 lines to '/boot/grub/grub.conf' title Windows XP rootnoverify (hd1,0) chainloader +1 hd1 = 2nd drive (hd0 would be first) 0 = first partition I have not done this in a long time, but was successful in the past. -- Mauriat Miranda http://www.mjmwired.net/linux -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Windows partition?
On 1 April 2010 07:14, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying to install XP using qemu for almost 24 hours now. I > have one specific task that I need XP for (Winforms design). I can't get > Visual C# 2005 to work under Wine or Crossover Office so I need to get > something working. > You don't say what problems you are having with qemu. I use XP with KVM, except for sound everything just works[TM]. Just boot the vm with the XP disc and follow the usual installation procedure for Windows either with qemu-kvm (as root or with sudo) on the command line or with the virt-manager gui. GL > Paul > -- -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: New Kernel will not boot
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 07:33:09 -0600, Lawrence E Graves wrote: > I am having trouble with the installing of the new kernel release about > 2 days ago. When I install it and reboot my system it stops at the > Fedora sign in the middle of the screen. It is hard for me to explain > exactly what is happening because I am not good with the technical terms > used. When you report issues like this please state the kernel version you are using. New kernels come out pretty often and even if we new which Fedora release you are using, we wouldn't be sure which kernel version you are using. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Windows partition?
It has been a long time since I installed XP, But, as I remember the only option I had at that time was the first hard drive.. Good luck with that.. You could check to see if you can change the boot disk in BIOS.. If so, you could select Operating System that way?? YMMV Marvin On 4/1/10, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying to install XP using qemu for almost 24 hours now. I > have one specific task that I need XP for (Winforms design). I can't get > Visual C# 2005 to work under Wine or Crossover Office so I need to get > something working. > > I have a shed load of space on a secondary drive, so I was thinking of > making a 20Gb partition on it (as FAT32), booting from an XP disc and > installing onto there. > > I don't know if it will be a problem installing to a secondary drive > rather than primary, so advise is needed here. Is it safe to do this or > am I going to trash things by doing it? > > TTFN > > Paul > -- > Biggles was quietly reading his favourite book when Algy burst through > the door. Distracted for a moment, Biggles surveyed what had happened > and turned a page. "Algy old man" he said, clearing his throat, "use the > handle next time..." - Taken from "Biggles combs his Hair" > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Windows partition?
Hi, I've been trying to install XP using qemu for almost 24 hours now. I have one specific task that I need XP for (Winforms design). I can't get Visual C# 2005 to work under Wine or Crossover Office so I need to get something working. I have a shed load of space on a secondary drive, so I was thinking of making a 20Gb partition on it (as FAT32), booting from an XP disc and installing onto there. I don't know if it will be a problem installing to a secondary drive rather than primary, so advise is needed here. Is it safe to do this or am I going to trash things by doing it? TTFN Paul -- Biggles was quietly reading his favourite book when Algy burst through the door. Distracted for a moment, Biggles surveyed what had happened and turned a page. "Algy old man" he said, clearing his throat, "use the handle next time..." - Taken from "Biggles combs his Hair" signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: New Kernel will not boot
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Lawrence E Graves wrote: > I am having trouble with the installing of the new kernel release about > 2 days ago. When I install it and reboot my system it stops at the > Fedora sign in the middle of the screen. It is hard for me to explain > exactly what is happening because I am not good with the technical terms > used. Immediately before Fedora boots, you should see a countdown of a few seconds. Hit ESC or some key and you will see a menu. - This is a menu of kernels installed. On the trouble kernel, hit the 'E' key to EDIT the current kernel options. Scroll to the right of the 'kernel' line. Remove the following 2 words: quiet rhgb After you remove those words, hit ENTER, then B (to boot). This should provide some information as to what is happening when the system locks up. What error or messages do you see when it stops. Alternatively in the menu you can select your previous kernel to boot so you can access your system. -- Mauriat Miranda http://www.mjmwired.net/linux -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
New Kernel will not boot
I am having trouble with the installing of the new kernel release about 2 days ago. When I install it and reboot my system it stops at the Fedora sign in the middle of the screen. It is hard for me to explain exactly what is happening because I am not good with the technical terms used. -- Lawrence E Graves -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: no flash in chromium-browser (from /spot.fedorapeople.org/chromium/F12/)
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 08:09 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > Mail Lists wrote: > > > On 03/31/2010 07:38 AM, Neal Becker wrote: > >> flash works in google-chrome. This is F12-x86_64. Using > >> 32-bit flash wrapped for 64 bit. > >> > >> In chromium-browser 5.0.365.0 flash is detected, but does not work. In > >> about:plugins flash is there (1st item). But visiting a flash site says > >> 'missing plugin'. I duplicated the working google-chrome setup (copied > >> /opt/google/chrome/plugins to /usr/lib64/chromium-browser/plugins, which > >> is all just symlinks to /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins-wrapped, and which all > >> works in google-chrome and in firefox). > >> > > > > > > It has never worked in chromium (I had no end of problems with > > chromium) - stick with google-chrome. > > > > FYI - the beta 64 bit flash works fine too ... > > > > gene > > I'm curious about what will happen with /spot.fedorapeople.org/chromium/ > when chromium has integrated flash. I realize that Google Chrome is going that way, but do you know for a fact that Chromium is going to integrate Flash? poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [389-users] Strange behaviour - SAMBA is writing on a Dedicated Consumer Server
Richard,I set the nsslapd-accesslog-logbuffering as you recomended and nothing was logged on the master ldap (ServerA). So I shutdown the master ldap machine and repeat the test. The result was the same behaviour: SAMBA writes on the userpassword attribute of the dedicated consumer (ServerB). Analyzing the access log output of ServerB, there is a line that show success in an extended operation:- 01/Apr/2010:08:36:09 -0300] conn=553 op=18 EXT oid="1.3.6.1.4.1.4203.1.11.1" name="passwd_modify_extop"- [01/Apr/2010:08:36:09 -0300] conn=553 op=18 RESULT err=0 tag=120 nentries=0 etime=0I'm attaching a file (access.log) with all operations logged during password changing.I've enabled the audit log on the serverB too. See the result:time: 20100401083609dn: uid=testuser,dc=lab,dc=comchangetype: modifyreplace: userpassworduserpassword: {SSHA}D4paM4WUays6uAY1fpuSKnhoQhOJqyl9hT5IBA==-replace: modifiersnamemodifiersname: cn=server,cn=plugins,cn=config-replace: modifytimestampmodifytimestamp: 20100401113609Z-time: 20100401083609dn: uid=testuser,dc=lab,dc=comchangetype: modifyreplace: passwordgraceusertimepasswordgraceusertime: 0-replace: passwordExpirationTimepasswordExpirationTime: 20100630113609Z-replace: passwordExpWarnedpasswordExpWarned: 0Note that all operations above were made with the master ldap offline.Thanks,SIEDN - Diretorio LivreDiretorio Livre wrote:> Hello,> We are using FDS 1.2.0 and we are making samba integration with LDAP. > There are two FDS servers, one (serverA) is configured as single > master and the other (serverB) as a dedicated consumer. We're using > the option "ldap passwd sync=yes" and pointing the ldapsam to serverB. > When we changed the password of a user (in a Windows machine), his
> "userpassword" ldap attribute has changed in serverB(the dedicated > consumer) instead of return referral to serverA (the master). The most > strange is that the access log doesn't show nothing, even the correct > error code 10 (referral). We've checked the suffix configuration in > the serverB and the "update on referral" was selected. It seems to us > that SAMBA found a way to ignore the "update on referral" and made the > modifications on the consumer. //Anybody has experiencied such behaviour?Note that the access log is buffered, so operations may take a while before they are flushed to disk. You can change this behavior by setting nsslapd-accesslog-logbuffering: off in cn=config (but note that this may impact performance in production environments).Can you post relevant excerpts from the access log of the dedicated consumer showing the sequence of operations for
the password change? Have you checked the access log of the master?>> Steps to reproduce the behaviour> - Configure two LDAP servers (one as single master and the other as > dedicated consumer).> - Configure replication between the two servers above.> - Install SAMBA (we are using version 3.3.2 or 3.4.7).> - Configure smb.conf with the following parameters:>-- the ldapbackend pointing to the dedicated consumer server.>-- ldap passwd sync=Only.>-- ldap ssl = start tls (it's necessary).> >> Thanks in advance,> -- > SIEDN - Diretorio Livre> "Esta mensagem do SERVIÇO FEDERAL DE PROCESSAMENTO DE DADOS (SERPRO), empresa pública federal regida pelo disposto na Lei Federal nº 5.615, é enviada exclusivamente a seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional. Sua utilizaç
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Re: no flash in chromium-browser (from /spot.fedorapeople.org/chromium/F12/)
Mail Lists wrote: > On 03/31/2010 07:38 AM, Neal Becker wrote: >> flash works in google-chrome. This is F12-x86_64. Using >> 32-bit flash wrapped for 64 bit. >> >> In chromium-browser 5.0.365.0 flash is detected, but does not work. In >> about:plugins flash is there (1st item). But visiting a flash site says >> 'missing plugin'. I duplicated the working google-chrome setup (copied >> /opt/google/chrome/plugins to /usr/lib64/chromium-browser/plugins, which >> is all just symlinks to /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins-wrapped, and which all >> works in google-chrome and in firefox). >> > > > It has never worked in chromium (I had no end of problems with > chromium) - stick with google-chrome. > > FYI - the beta 64 bit flash works fine too ... > > gene I'm curious about what will happen with /spot.fedorapeople.org/chromium/ when chromium has integrated flash. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
is some codec missing ffmpeg
Dear list I have a M2V video that i can read with kaffeine (the codec exists in the system). however, when trying to convert this file to avi (or other) I get this message Could you help plz. Regards Adel [a...@adelonlinux disk]$ ffmpeg -r 1 -i MATINALE\ SPORT\ \(INFOSPORT\)\ \(01avr2010\ 0759\).m2v -r 24 output.avi FFmpeg version SVN-r20372, Copyright (c) 2000-2009 Fabrice Bellard, et al. built on Nov 7 2009 10:57:27 with gcc 4.4.2 20091027 (Red Hat 4.4.2-7) configuration: --prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --datadir=/usr/share/ffmpeg --incdir=/usr/include/ffmpeg --libdir=/usr/lib64 --mandir=/usr/share/man --arch=x86_64 --extra-cflags='-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic' --extra-version=rpmfusion --enable-bzlib --enable-libdc1394 --enable-libdirac --enable-libfaad --enable-libgsm --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-libx264 --enable-libxvid --enable-x11grab --enable-avfilter --enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-postproc --enable-pthreads --disable-static --enable-shared --enable-gpl --disable-debug --disable-stripping --shlibdir=/usr/lib64 --enable-runtime-cpudetect libavutil 50. 3. 0 / 50. 3. 0 libavcodec52.37. 1 / 52.37. 1 libavformat 52.39. 2 / 52.39. 2 libavdevice 52. 2. 0 / 52. 2. 0 libavfilter1. 4. 1 / 1. 4. 1 libswscale 0. 7. 1 / 0. 7. 1 libpostproc 51. 2. 0 / 51. 2. 0 MATINALE SPORT (INFOSPORT) (01avr2010 0759).m2v: could not find codec parameters -- PhD candidate in Computer Science Address 3 avenue lamine, cité ezzahra, Sousse 4000 Tunisia tel: +216 97 246 706 fax: +216 71 391 166 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: gedit ...cannot create backup !!!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/2010 05:53 PM, Gregory Hosler wrote: > On 04/01/2010 01:08 PM, Jatin K wrote: >> Dear all > >> suddenly I'm getting this error whenever I try to edit a text file and >> click save button > >> " Could not create a backup file while saving /path/to/file.txt" >> gedit could not backup the old copy of the file before saving the new >> one.You can ignore this warning and save the file anyway. >> but if an error occurs while saving , you could lose the old copy of the >> file. Save anyway ?" > > >> yesterday, everything was ok.. and this morning I'm getting this > >> whats wrong with gedit ?? can anyone help me ? > > The most likely causes of this error would be: > > - permissions > - path to dest directory doesn't exist at some point, or > permission denied at some point. > - quota > - filesystem has been mounted/remounted ro (due, for example > to an i/o error) one more: - file system full > if you can 'ls -l /path/to/file.txt' and the dest file actually exists, see > what > are the permissions of the file. perhaps it cannot be opened for write (to > re-write it with the new contents). > > See if the dest directory exists, and make sure you have write access to it. > > touch /path/to/file.txt.foo > rm /path/to/file.txt.foo > > check your quota > > quota > > check if the partition that the dest file lives in is mounted r/o > > mount -v check if there is available room on the file system: df -k /path/to/file.txt df -i /path/to/file.txt if EITHER shows zero available, then that's the source of the problem. :-) - -G > Hope that helps, > > -Greg > > >> Regards > > > - -- +-+ Please also check the log file at "/dev/null" for additional information. (from /var/log/Xorg.setup.log) | Greg Hosler ghos...@redhat.com| +-+ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAku0bdsACgkQ404fl/0CV/RKvACfTOyLmcb4HqooFlLO7gEpyXI9 /B8AoLMlNBiP2bhzEZQM8f1GGuT6LJCN =VwOr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
