Re: Is there a way to list a package contents without installing it?

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 04/07/2010 08:32 AM, Renich Bon Ciric wrote:
> I know that:
>
> rpm -ql
>
> will list it's contents... but I dunno if yum has this functionality.
>
> Anyone?
>
repoquery is what you are looking for.

The syntax is similar to rpmquery/rpm -q

repoquery -ql 

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Is there a way to list a package contents without installing it?

[Renich Bon Ciric]

I know that:

rpm -ql  

will list it's contents... but I dunno if yum has this functionality.

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Re: KDE problems.

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/07/2010 01:42 PM, George R Goffe wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> I suppose this should be sent to the KDE folks but I'm not sure.
>
> I'm a recent convert (shudder) to KDE 4.x and am looking for a way to
> do what I used to do with KDE 3.x.
>
I don't quite understand why you'd shudder.  I moved to KDE 4.3 from KDE
3.5 and haven't looked back.  Of course I treated the move like a
divorce and not like death.
>
> I have 2 questions:
>
> 1) Is there a conversion document that collects all this configuration
> information in one place by any chance? I chose KDE some time ago
> (several years) because of it's "Control Center" which gathered all
> the config options I wanted in ONE PLACE and not all over the
> landscape as Gnome was (maybe still is?).
>
I'm a "classic" menu guy.  From the menu...  Settings-->System Settings
brings up a collection of setting menus. 
>
> 2) I used to be able to map "alt up/down" arrows to raise/lower the
> "current" Widget. Apparently this capability no longer exists?
>
I don't know quite what you mean...

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KDE problems.

[George R Goffe]

Howdy,

I suppose this should be sent to the KDE folks but I'm not sure.

I'm a recent convert (shudder) to KDE 4.x and am looking for a way to do what I 
used to do with KDE 3.x. 

I have 2 questions: 

1) Is there a conversion document that collects all this configuration 
information in one place by any chance? I chose KDE some time ago (several 
years) because of it's "Control Center" which gathered all the config options I 
wanted in ONE PLACE and not all over the landscape as Gnome was (maybe still 
is?).

2) I used to be able to map "alt up/down" arrows to raise/lower the "current" 
Widget. Apparently this capability no longer exists?

Any/all help/hints/tips/suggestions would be appreciated.

Regards,

George...


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Re: Changing host name

[Ed Greshko]

>
> On 04/06/2010 05:52 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>   
>>> On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 23:47 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 I believe Patrick may have missed the part about your using
 "system-control-network"...if that is of any value.
 
>>> Not really, given that he didn't say he was using s-c-n but something
>>> called the "network control applet" in Gnome. Since I don't use Gnome,
>>> I've no idea what that means, if anything. My reply simply pointed out
>>> that localhost is widely assumed to be defined, and that having it
>>> undefined is likely to lead to breakage. Said breakage may or may not
>>> affect the network connectivity directly, but you can be sure that
>>> something somewhere will not work as expected, i.e. it's a bad idea.
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> I don't use Gnome either.  And, AFAIK, there really is no such thing as
>> a "Network Control Applet".  I did fire up Gnome and found there is a
>> "Network Control" item in the Gnome menus so I assumed that is what he
>> was using.
>>
>> Bottom line, I was nearly 100% sure he was using a GUI to do the bidding
>> and "hoped" that any GUI wouldn't be so foolish as to muck with the
>> "localhost" settings in the hosts file.
>>
>> He also showed, via ipconfig, that his adapter no longer had an IP
>> address associated with it.  That, to me, demonstrates a "dead" network.
>>   However, I was unable to reproduce the issue.
>> 
> I suspect he's relying on NetworkManager.  In that case, if you go in
> and do a "hostname whatever" behind NM's back, it's going to break.
> It will invalidate the DHCP lease (bringing the network down) and
> confuse NM's database (such as it is).  NM is rather, uhm, touchy
> (cranky) about things being done without its knowledge.
>   
Why do you suggest that?   My test system relies on DHCP, it also is
configured to utilize NM.  I changed the hostname using the "hostname"
command.  No ill effects.  Besides, DHCP makes use of the MAC address
and not the hostname.
> The best bet is to edit /etc/sysconfig/network, set the desired hostname
> in there, reboot the system and log back in.  NM should pick up a
> DHCP lease and such with the desired hostname taken care of.
>   
I've never found a need to reboot on changing hostnames.  The most
drastic action I've taken was to "service network restart".
> Note that I don't necessarily like NM.  It is useful, but it is
> rather incompletely documented and much of what various people know
> about it is rather anecdotal and may or may not be accurate, depending
> on which version of NM they're running.  God help us!
>
> NM people: I'm still willing to write the docs for this beast.  All it
> takes is you to tell me to and give me some contact info so I can
> clarify things when needed.  I'll overlook the deafening silence I was
> greeted with in my past offers.
>   
Can't say that I've experienced any of the NM woes others have gone
through.  But, maybe that is becuase I don't have wireless.  Looking
forward to testing that sometime soon with F13 as it seems it now will
support my wireless adapter.

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Re: Audio with CRON works - not AT?

[Philip Rhoades]

Rick,


On 2010-04-07 02:50, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 04/06/2010 07:52 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
>> People,
>>
>> When I put:
>>
>> 40 21 * * * root /usr/bin/mplayer -ao alsa
>> /home/phil/audio/vincent_van_gogh.mp3
>>
>> in /etc/crontab - it works but if use "at" for any time and enter:
>>
>> /usr/bin/mplayer -ao alsa /home/phil/audio/vincent_van_gogh.mp3
>>
>> - at the designated time I hear a click as though something happens but
>> no audio clip.
>>
>> Anyone know why "at" doesn't behave?
>
> I'm sure it does. When you use /etc/crontab, you're saying "use root's
> environment when running this command". You weren't clear, but if
> you're using "at" as any user other than root, then it'll execute with
> _that_ user's environment, not root's. This might cause access issues
> to the audio hardware, pulseaudio may not be running if you're not
> logged into the system via the GUI, etc., etc. There's lots of stuff
> going on there.


Thanks for your reply!  I did try running the "at" command as root as 
well but it didn't make any difference.  I always have PA uninstalled 
and just use ALSA.

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Re: eSATA removable drive

[D. Hugh Redelmeier]

| From: Rick Stevens 

| The problem is that the controller you've plugged into (the one on
| the motherboard) is not designed for "hotswap" devices.  It's expecting
| a hard-installed drive and thus doesn't have the eject support NOR does 
| it have necessary power supply glitch protection since it's expecting
| its drives to be on the same power supply the motherboard is using.
| 
| It is VERY dangerous to simply connect a motherboard connector to the
| outside world unless it was actually intended for it.  In your case,
| it is quite possible to blow your motherboard if there's an adequate
| ground loop between your computer and the power supply feeding the
| eSATA drive.  An actual eSATA (external SATA) port IS designed for
| hotswap and has the requisite protection.  THOU HAST BEEN WARNED!

Wow.

The drive is installed in a Vantec NexStar 3 NST-360su enclosure:
  

This enclosure came with an eSATA bracket intended to be connected to
an internal SATA socket.  See page 8 of the users guide (available
from the web page):

An internal SATA port can be converted to an eSATA port with
the included adapter.

Do you suspect that the manual is wrong?
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Re: Changing host name

[Rick Stevens]

On 04/06/2010 05:52 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 23:47 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>>> I believe Patrick may have missed the part about your using
>>> "system-control-network"...if that is of any value.
>> Not really, given that he didn't say he was using s-c-n but something
>> called the "network control applet" in Gnome. Since I don't use Gnome,
>> I've no idea what that means, if anything. My reply simply pointed out
>> that localhost is widely assumed to be defined, and that having it
>> undefined is likely to lead to breakage. Said breakage may or may not
>> affect the network connectivity directly, but you can be sure that
>> something somewhere will not work as expected, i.e. it's a bad idea.
>>
>>
> I don't use Gnome either.  And, AFAIK, there really is no such thing as
> a "Network Control Applet".  I did fire up Gnome and found there is a
> "Network Control" item in the Gnome menus so I assumed that is what he
> was using.
>
> Bottom line, I was nearly 100% sure he was using a GUI to do the bidding
> and "hoped" that any GUI wouldn't be so foolish as to muck with the
> "localhost" settings in the hosts file.
>
> He also showed, via ipconfig, that his adapter no longer had an IP
> address associated with it.  That, to me, demonstrates a "dead" network.
>   However, I was unable to reproduce the issue.

I suspect he's relying on NetworkManager.  In that case, if you go in
and do a "hostname whatever" behind NM's back, it's going to break.
It will invalidate the DHCP lease (bringing the network down) and
confuse NM's database (such as it is).  NM is rather, uhm, touchy
(cranky) about things being done without its knowledge.

The best bet is to edit /etc/sysconfig/network, set the desired hostname
in there, reboot the system and log back in.  NM should pick up a
DHCP lease and such with the desired hostname taken care of.

Note that I don't necessarily like NM.  It is useful, but it is
rather incompletely documented and much of what various people know
about it is rather anecdotal and may or may not be accurate, depending
on which version of NM they're running.  God help us!

NM people: I'm still willing to write the docs for this beast.  All it
takes is you to tell me to and give me some contact info so I can
clarify things when needed.  I'll overlook the deafening silence I was
greeted with in my past offers.
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Re: eSATA removable drive

[Rick Stevens]

On 04/06/2010 02:08 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> | From: John Austin
>
> | Hi
> |
> | I have used hotplug hard drives for some time but never used eject
>
> What do you do to safely remove the disk?  Surely unmount and swapoff,
> as applicable, but how do you tell the system that the actual drive is
> going away?
>
> That's what I use "eject" for in several cases (USB mass storage, CD,
> DVD).  I figure that it should work for eSATA.  As I mentioned, I get
> the message:
>  eject: device "/dev/sdi" doesn't have a removable or hotpluggable flag
>
> | Try to sort it out as root and then move on to a normal user
>
> Good advice.  I am using root for now.
>
> | What does mount show when the disk is plugged in?
> | It should be showing /dev/sdix I believe not /dev/sdi
>
> That is the case: x is the number of the partition.
>
> Mount works.  The drive works.  It's the unplugging that I'm feeling
> nervous about.
>
> "Just unplugging" will surely work, but it seems wrong.  The device
> driver ought to feel unhappy (perhaps only in my model of the
> universe).

The problem is that the controller you've plugged into (the one on
the motherboard) is not designed for "hotswap" devices.  It's expecting
a hard-installed drive and thus doesn't have the eject support NOR does 
it have necessary power supply glitch protection since it's expecting
its drives to be on the same power supply the motherboard is using.

It is VERY dangerous to simply connect a motherboard connector to the
outside world unless it was actually intended for it.  In your case,
it is quite possible to blow your motherboard if there's an adequate
ground loop between your computer and the power supply feeding the
eSATA drive.  An actual eSATA (external SATA) port IS designed for
hotswap and has the requisite protection.  THOU HAST BEEN WARNED!

> The drive actually has eSATA and USB ports.  When I connect via USB,
> eject works fine.

USB is expected to be plugged and unplugged ad infinitum, consequently
it has the necessary power protection and knows about eject.
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Re: USB Bluetooth Recommendations

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Fedora User  wrote:
> Fedora 12
> Application=Connect mobile  phone to laptop.
>
> Any suggestions on what is known to work would be appreciated.

I'm not sure of the exact model as my USB dongle came with my HP
printer but I've gotten it to work with gammu and my Motorola V195
phone. Below is the output from /var/log/messages:


Apr  6 20:12:06 hobbes kernel: usb 3-2.3: new full speed USB device
using ohci_hcd and address 5
Apr  6 20:12:06 hobbes kernel: usb 3-2.3: New USB device found,
idVendor=03f0, idProduct=d404
Apr  6 20:12:06 hobbes kernel: usb 3-2.3: New USB device strings:
Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
Apr  6 20:12:06 hobbes kernel: usb 3-2.3: Product: HP Bluetooth Adapter
Apr  6 20:12:06 hobbes kernel: usb 3-2.3: Manufacturer: Broadcom Corp
Apr  6 20:12:06 hobbes kernel: usb 3-2.3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: Bluetooth: Core ver 2.15
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 31
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: Bluetooth: HCI device and connection
manager initialized
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: Bluetooth: Generic Bluetooth USB driver ver 0.6
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes bluetoothd[28049]: Bluetooth daemon 4.58
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver btusb
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes bluetoothd[28050]: Starting SDP server
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.14
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes bluetoothd[28050]: Parsing
/etc/bluetooth/network.conf failed: No such file or directory
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: Bluetooth: BNEP (Ethernet Emulation) ver 1.3
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: Bluetooth: BNEP filters: protocol multicast
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes bluetoothd[28050]: bridge pan0 created
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: Bridge firewalling registered
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes bluetoothd[28050]: Parsing
/etc/bluetooth/input.conf failed: No such file or directory
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes bluetoothd[28050]: Parsing
/etc/bluetooth/audio.conf failed: No such file or directory
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: Bluetooth: SCO (Voice Link) ver 0.6
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes bluetoothd[28050]: HCI dev 0 registered
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialized
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes NetworkManager:   device_creator():
/sys/devices/virtual/net/pan0: couldn't determine device driver;
ignoring...
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes bluetoothd[28050]: HCI dev 0 up
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes bluetoothd[28050]: Starting security manager 0
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes bluetoothd[28050]: Parsing
/etc/bluetooth/serial.conf failed: No such file or directory
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes kernel: Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.11
Apr  6 20:12:07 hobbes bluetoothd[28050]: Adapter
/org/bluez/28049/hci0 has been enabled
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Re: Changing host name

[Ed Greshko]

>
> On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 23:47 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>   
>> I believe Patrick may have missed the part about your using
>> "system-control-network"...if that is of any value.  
> Not really, given that he didn't say he was using s-c-n but something
> called the "network control applet" in Gnome. Since I don't use Gnome,
> I've no idea what that means, if anything. My reply simply pointed out
> that localhost is widely assumed to be defined, and that having it
> undefined is likely to lead to breakage. Said breakage may or may not
> affect the network connectivity directly, but you can be sure that
> something somewhere will not work as expected, i.e. it's a bad idea.
>
>   
I don't use Gnome either.  And, AFAIK, there really is no such thing as
a "Network Control Applet".  I did fire up Gnome and found there is a
"Network Control" item in the Gnome menus so I assumed that is what he
was using.

Bottom line, I was nearly 100% sure he was using a GUI to do the bidding
and "hoped" that any GUI wouldn't be so foolish as to muck with the
"localhost" settings in the hosts file.

He also showed, via ipconfig, that his adapter no longer had an IP
address associated with it.  That, to me, demonstrates a "dead" network.
 However, I was unable to reproduce the issue.



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Re: Compiler package

[Euplycidus Aerofram]

Chris,

You are the man.

E



On Apr 6, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Chris Tyler  wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 19:32 -0500, Euplycidus Aerofram wrote:
>> I just bought a stripped down Fedora VM from an ISP, and I've been
>> hunting and pecking to get gcc, make, glibc, and the other 5,000
>> little dependancies installed. Here's the question:
>>
>> Is there a single binary package/rpm that has all this neatly put
>> together?
>
> This command...
>
>yum groupinstall "Development Tools" "Development Libraries"
>
> ... Should give you the basics in one fell swoop. There are additional
> development groups available (for Java, Web, and so forth), to see  
> them
> try:
>
>yum grouplist|grep -i development
>
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Re: Compiler package

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 19:32 -0500, Euplycidus Aerofram wrote:
> I just bought a stripped down Fedora VM from an ISP, and I've been  
> hunting and pecking to get gcc, make, glibc, and the other 5,000  
> little dependancies installed. Here's the question:
> 
> Is there a single binary package/rpm that has all this neatly put  
> together?

not sure but I think...

yum groupinstall Development\ Tools

should do the trick

Craig


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Re: Compiler package

[Chris Tyler]

On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 19:32 -0500, Euplycidus Aerofram wrote:
> I just bought a stripped down Fedora VM from an ISP, and I've been  
> hunting and pecking to get gcc, make, glibc, and the other 5,000  
> little dependancies installed. Here's the question:
> 
> Is there a single binary package/rpm that has all this neatly put  
> together?

This command...

yum groupinstall "Development Tools" "Development Libraries"

... Should give you the basics in one fell swoop. There are additional
development groups available (for Java, Web, and so forth), to see them
try: 

yum grouplist|grep -i development

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Compiler package

[Euplycidus Aerofram]

I just bought a stripped down Fedora VM from an ISP, and I've been  
hunting and pecking to get gcc, make, glibc, and the other 5,000  
little dependancies installed. Here's the question:

Is there a single binary package/rpm that has all this neatly put  
together?

Regards,

E


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Re: Changing host name

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 23:47 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> I believe Patrick may have missed the part about your using
> "system-control-network"...if that is of any value.  :-)

Not really, given that he didn't say he was using s-c-n but something
called the "network control applet" in Gnome. Since I don't use Gnome,
I've no idea what that means, if anything. My reply simply pointed out
that localhost is widely assumed to be defined, and that having it
undefined is likely to lead to breakage. Said breakage may or may not
affect the network connectivity directly, but you can be sure that
something somewhere will not work as expected, i.e. it's a bad idea.

poc

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Re: Printer IDs in Fedora 13: your help is neeeded!

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 00:18:00 +0200,
  Gianluca Sforna  wrote:
> 
> Everyone can help fix this by following the instructions in the test
> day page.[2] You don't need a Rawhide installation to provide useful
> feedback, just a nightly live image[3] will do. Alternatively, you can
> also determine missing IDs with your own installation of Fedora 11 and
> 12 by following the steps outlined in Tim Waugh's blog[4].

If we get insufficient data does that mean the printer doesn't report a
device id?
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Re: VirtualBox crashs system when starting VM

[Patrick Bartek]

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, Clemens Eisserer  wrote:

> > Are you using Virtualbox or Virtualbox OSE. I am using
> Virtualbox 3.1.6
> > downloaded from Sun with Windows XP with the 2.6.32.10
> kernel. I've had
> > no problems with Virtualbox.
> 
> I am using the version distributed by Fedora (so I guess
> its OSE)
> along with the precompiled kernel-modules (I am using the
> default
> kernel too) - thats why I am suprised it causes so much
> pain :/
> 
> No matter what VM I start (reactos / haiku), as soon as the
> dialog
> appears telling me howto get keyboard/mouse-focus away from
> the VM my
> whole computer locks up :/

Is this your first attempt at virtualization or have you installed kvm, etc. 
previously?  VirtualBox's kernel modules and kvm's (and as far as I know 
"other" VM software) are incompatible if loaded together.  Do an 'lsmod'?  If 
both vbox and kvm are listed, you'll need to unload kvm to get vbox modules 
(there should be three) to work properly.

The vbox modules must match the kernel they are running under exactly.  So, 
when you upgrade to a new kernel, VB's modules must also be updated.  Have they 
been?

Also, VirtualBox has its own rpm repository, which I use.  Although, 
previously, I used the OSE version through the Fedora ones, but USB is disabled 
in that version, and I need USB.  So, I went to the "full" binary version when 
I installed F12.  It's still free for personal use.

Have you installed kernel-devel and dkms?  Do you have qt 4.4.0 and sdl 1.2.7 
or higher installed?

Be sure to thoroughly read the manual and other docs.  Just doing a 'yum 
install' is not sufficient to get VirtualBox running properly.

   http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/End-user_documentation

This link might also help.  At the bottom of the page.  About RPM-based 
distros.  How to install VB's repo, etc.

   http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads



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Re: USB Bluetooth Recommendations

[Jim]

On 04/06/2010 05:53 PM, Fedora User wrote:
> Fedora 12
> Application=Connect mobile  phone to laptop.
>
> Any suggestions on what is known to work would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
I have a Droid phone that I can connect to bluetooth, using SSHD. With a 
Droid App. called ConnectBot

And also connect a external ear piece.
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Re: USB Bluetooth Recommendations

[Sam Varshavchik]

Fedora User writes:


Fedora 12
Application=Connect mobile  phone to laptop.

Any suggestions on what is known to work would be appreciated.


Are you certain that this is the only way you can tether to your phone?

Modern phones also offer a mini or a micro USB jack. Just for giggles, I 
plugged my new Nokia via the USB cable. The phone automatically offers me a 
"PC Suite" or "Data Storage" connection mode. In data storage mode, I get a 
boring mount of the SD card inside the phone. If I choose "PC Suite", the 
"Mobile broadband" option in Network Manager appears out of nowhere, and I 
get a menu entry to set up a new broadband GSM connection.


Since I do not have a data plan I haven't really tried it, but it certainly 
looks like it will work.




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Printer IDs in Fedora 13: your help is neeeded!

[Gianluca Sforna]

Hi all,
as you probably know, Fedora 13 has a new automatic printer driver
installation feature[1], but for the automatic printer driver
installation to work properly we need your Device IDs! Many IDs are
missing for current printers, and some existing IDs are incorrect.

Everyone can help fix this by following the instructions in the test
day page.[2] You don't need a Rawhide installation to provide useful
feedback, just a nightly live image[3] will do. Alternatively, you can
also determine missing IDs with your own installation of Fedora 11 and
12 by following the steps outlined in Tim Waugh's blog[4].

Thanks in advance for contributing

Gianluca


[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-03-25_Printing
[3] http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/desktop/
[4] http://cyberelk.net/tim/2010/04/01/printer-device-ids-wanted/

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Re: USB Bluetooth Recommendations

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:53:32 -0400
Fedora User wrote:

> Fedora 12
> Application=Connect mobile  phone to laptop.
> 
> Any suggestions on what is known to work would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks

I've got a little old D-Link DBT-120 adapter that worked
(in some sense of the word) the last time I tried it.

My problems with "working" were related to trying to setup
a permanent connection to a bluetooth keyboard which was
hopelessly broken at the time I tried, but I could manually connect
with enough poking and prodding everytime I logged in (rendering
the wireless keyboard for use on the other side of the
room useless since I had to get up and walk over to the
computer to get it connected every time I wanted to use
it :-).
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Re: eSATA removable drive

[John Austin]

On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 17:08 -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> | From: John Austin 
> 
> | Hi
> | 
> | I have used hotplug hard drives for some time but never used eject
> 
> What do you do to safely remove the disk?  Surely unmount and swapoff,
> as applicable, but how do you tell the system that the actual drive is
> going away?

As long as you umount all the partitions on the drive first all is well 

> 
> That's what I use "eject" for in several cases (USB mass storage, CD,
> DVD).  I figure that it should work for eSATA.  As I mentioned, I get
> the message:
> eject: device "/dev/sdi" doesn't have a removable or hotpluggable flag
> 
> | Try to sort it out as root and then move on to a normal user
> 
> Good advice.  I am using root for now.
> 
> | What does mount show when the disk is plugged in?
> | It should be showing /dev/sdix I believe not /dev/sdi
> 
> That is the case: x is the number of the partition.
> 
> Mount works.  The drive works.  It's the unplugging that I'm feeling
> nervous about.

Should not be a problem, I believe udev/hal detect the drive is
connected or disconnected and create/remove the /dev/sdi /dev/sdi1 ...
entries.

Try running
watch "ls -l /dev/sd*"
when plugging in and removing the esata plug

You can also watch "tail -n30 /var/log/messages"
This is what I see when plugging in

Apr  6 22:43:16 localhost kernel: ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0
SErr 0x405 action 0xe frozen
Apr  6 22:43:16 localhost kernel: ata1: irq_stat 0x00400040, connection
status changed
Apr  6 22:43:16 localhost kernel: ata1: SError: { PHYRdyChg CommWake
DevExch }
Apr  6 22:43:16 localhost kernel: ata1: hard resetting link
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus
123 SControl 300)
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: ata1.00: ATA-8: THROTTLE, 081016, max
UDMA/100
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: ata1.00: 63078400 sectors, multi 0:
LBA
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: ata1.00: applying bridge limits
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: ata1: EH complete
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA
THROTTLE 0810 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1
type 0
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sdb] 63078400 512-byte
logical blocks: (32.2 GB/30.0 GiB)
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache:
disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: sdb: sdb1
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5
seconds
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: EXT3 FS on sdb1, internal journal
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost kernel: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with
ordered data mode.
Apr  6 22:43:17 localhost hald: mounted /dev/sdb1 on behalf of uid 202

When unmounting using pcmanfm
Apr  6 22:45:03 localhost hald: unmounted /dev/sdb1 from
'/media/throttle' on behalf of uid 202
Apr  6 22:45:04 localhost gnome-keyring-daemon[6366]: removing removable
location: /media/throttle
Apr  6 22:45:04 localhost gnome-keyring-daemon[6366]: no volume
registered at: /media/throttle

When unplugging throttle
Apr  6 22:46:15 localhost kernel: ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0
SErr 0x1 action 0xe frozen
Apr  6 22:46:15 localhost kernel: ata1: irq_stat 0x0040, PHY RDY
changed
Apr  6 22:46:15 localhost kernel: ata1: SError: { PHYRdyChg }
Apr  6 22:46:15 localhost kernel: ata1: hard resetting link
Apr  6 22:46:16 localhost kernel: ata1: SATA link down (SStatus 0
SControl 300)
Apr  6 22:46:21 localhost kernel: ata1: hard resetting link
Apr  6 22:46:21 localhost kernel: ata1: SATA link down (SStatus 0
SControl 300)
Apr  6 22:46:21 localhost kernel: ata1: limiting SATA link speed to 1.5
Gbps
Apr  6 22:46:26 localhost kernel: ata1: hard resetting link
Apr  6 22:46:27 localhost kernel: ata1: SATA link down (SStatus 0
SControl 310)
Apr  6 22:46:27 localhost kernel: ata1.00: disabled
Apr  6 22:46:27 localhost kernel: ata1: EH complete
Apr  6 22:46:27 localhost kernel: ata1.00: detaching (SCSI 0:0:0:0)
Apr  6 22:46:27 localhost kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sdb] Stopping disk
Apr  6 22:46:27 localhost kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sdb] START_STOP FAILED
Apr  6 22:46:27 localhost kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sdb] Result:
hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK


Assuming the eSATA is not power over eSATAp then on my drives
I can either unplug the cable or power off the drive.

Very, very occasionally there is a glitch when plugging in
and I have to unplug, wait 30sec and try again.

I have been using a 5v power eSATAp connected 3

USB Bluetooth Recommendations

[Fedora User]

Fedora 12
Application=Connect mobile  phone to laptop.

Any suggestions on what is known to work would be appreciated.

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Re: eSATA removable drive

[D. Hugh Redelmeier]

| From: John Austin 

| Hi
| 
| I have used hotplug hard drives for some time but never used eject

What do you do to safely remove the disk?  Surely unmount and swapoff,
as applicable, but how do you tell the system that the actual drive is
going away?

That's what I use "eject" for in several cases (USB mass storage, CD,
DVD).  I figure that it should work for eSATA.  As I mentioned, I get
the message:
eject: device "/dev/sdi" doesn't have a removable or hotpluggable flag

| Try to sort it out as root and then move on to a normal user

Good advice.  I am using root for now.

| What does mount show when the disk is plugged in?
| It should be showing /dev/sdix I believe not /dev/sdi

That is the case: x is the number of the partition.

Mount works.  The drive works.  It's the unplugging that I'm feeling
nervous about.

"Just unplugging" will surely work, but it seems wrong.  The device
driver ought to feel unhappy (perhaps only in my model of the
universe).

The drive actually has eSATA and USB ports.  When I connect via USB,
eject works fine.

| umount should be working for root but not for a normal user

Right.

Same with swapoff.


Thanks.
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Re: Strange msgs from restore;

[John Austin]

On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 11:20 -0700, George R Goffe wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> Thanks to all who responded, these responses are DEFINITELY
> appreciated.
> 
> I tried everything suggested with no change in behavior. I would like
> to try the "new" version of dump/restore but am unable to locate the
> code. I tried using the rawhide repo and installing dump but that
> didn't work either.
> 
> Any thoughts/hints/tips/suggestions would be welcome.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> George...
> 
> 
> "It's not what you know that hurts you, It's what you know that ain't
> so." Wil Rogers
> 
Hi George

Did you get my two emails replicated below ?

John

###
Hi George

This is what I did to install the latest dump/restore on F12
when communicating with Stelian the dump/restore developer

The full story is in the bugzilla
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2964667&group_id=1306&atid=101306

My understanding is that the later versions of e2fsprogs mean that
dump/restore will support ext4.  I am not absolutely certain
that it was necessary to install the later e2fsprogs.

BIG words of warning
1. e2fsprogs is used everywhere  replacing it
may destroy your system 

2. e2fsprogs-1.41.11.tar.gz is now available. I did the tests with the
older version but now have used the latest

3. The one that really caught me out was blkid 
e2fsprogs-1.41.11 installs an old version of blkid the "standard" one on
F12 is contained in util-linux-ng.
Copy the util-linux-ng version of blkid and restore after installing
e2fsprogs

This caused me great grief when using grub2 - I couldn't boot!
grub2 uses blkid -o udev to determine the boot device - this option is
not available in the old version of blkid

4. Take care with selinux - see the bugzilla


Down loaded e2fsprogs-1.41.10.tar.gz; Dated 10_Feb_2010 
mkdir build; cd build
../configure;make;make check;make install All seemed clean

Down loaded dump/restore from http://dump.sourceforge.net/
cvs -d:pserver:anonym...@dump.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/dump login
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonym...@dump.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/dump co
dump
./configure; make;
make install gave errors needed to hack "all"Makefiles changing
MANOWNER from man to root - must be a better way !! (Add man to
/etc/passwd?)
All seemed clean

[r...@hawaii ~]# dump --help
dump: invalid option -- '-'
dump 0.4b42 (using libext2fs 1.41.10 of 10-Feb-2009) # I assume
it means 2010 !

My dump/restore was then clean

I just have a feeling that fsarchiver is a later tool and it seems
straight forward to use.
There is a warning that it is still "experimental" but I have had not
had any problems (that I know about !)
http://www.fsarchiver.org/Main_Page

Any feedback from your contact with Gene would be interesting

Good luck

John
###
Correction !!

It is F12 dracut that uses the blkid command when building
the initramfs... used by grub during boot
and hence both grub and grub2 are affected !! be careful !!

(I am learning/changing over to ext4 and grub2 on my machines)

John
 


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Re: [Fwd: Re: CD/DVD automount in Fedora 12]

[Andrew Junev]

Hello François,

Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 12:37:01 AM, you wrote:

>>> Immediately after boot, check for soft link:
>>>
>>> /dev/dvd -->> /dev/sr0
>>>
>>> (dvd, crrom, cdrw, dvdrw, whatever... at least one)
>>
>>
>> $ ls -l /dev/cdr*
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-04-06 19:31 /dev/cdrom1 -> sr0
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-04-06 19:31 /dev/cdrw1 -> sr0
>> $ ls -l /dev/dvd*
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-04-06 19:31 /dev/dvd1 -> sr0
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-04-06 19:31 /dev/dvdrw1 -> sr0
>> $
>>
>>> Then insert a disk and check again if the soft link i still there.
>>
>> $ ls -l /dev/dvd*
>> ls: cannot access /dev/dvd*: No such file or directory
>> $ ls -l /dev/cdr*
>> ls: cannot access /dev/cdr*: No such file or directory
>>
>>
>> Hugh, that's not right, is it?

> I think that it is a bug I asked this question some time ago and had
> no answer!

> After a lot of googleing I came accross a solution, but first: have you
> a file:

> /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules
> (Maybe, with another number).

> If not, create one, using the command:

> udevtest /sys/block/sr0


> Then, normally, you have this "persistent-cd-rules" file

> Reboot and see if you can automount your disks.

> (With this file, the links must be "persistent", ie. they are not erased
> when you insert a disk.)


> I posted this solution some times ago on this list, but someone answered
> that if this has been removed from f12, there were certainly a good
> reason why and that I could have many side effects if I added it now!

> I have absolutely no problem up to now and problem is solved for me.
> Hope it will be the same for you.

> Hope too that someone gives a good reason for suppressing this file in f12.


I do have this file already:

[r...@frontend1 rules.d]# cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules
# This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_cd_rules
# program, probably run by the cd-aliases-generator.rules rules file.
#
# You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single line
# and set the $GENERATED variable.

# DVD-RW_DVR-111 (pci-:03:00.1-scsi-0:0:0:0)
ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-:03:00.1-scsi-0:0:0:0", 
SYMLINK+="cdrom", ENV{GENERATED}="1"
ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-:03:00.1-scsi-0:0:0:0", 
SYMLINK+="cdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1"
ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-:03:00.1-scsi-0:0:0:0", 
SYMLINK+="dvd", ENV{GENERATED}="1"
ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-:03:00.1-scsi-0:0:0:0", 
SYMLINK+="dvdrw", ENV{GENERATED}="1"
# DVD-RW_DVR-111 (pci-:02:00.0-scsi-0:0:0:0)
SUBSYSTEM=="block", ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", 
ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-:02:00.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="cdrom1", 
ENV{GENERATED}="1"
SUBSYSTEM=="block", ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", 
ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-:02:00.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="cdrw1", 
ENV{GENERATED}="1"
SUBSYSTEM=="block", ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", 
ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-:02:00.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="dvd1", 
ENV{GENERATED}="1"
SUBSYSTEM=="block", ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", 
ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-:02:00.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", SYMLINK+="dvdrw1", 
ENV{GENERATED}="1"
#


So it must be something else, or ... am I missing something?


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[Fwd: Re: CD/DVD automount in Fedora 12]

[François Patte]

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Sujet : Re: CD/DVD automount in Fedora 12
Date : Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:27:44 +0200
De : François Patte 
Pour : Andrew Junev 
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Le 06/04/2010 17:38, Andrew Junev a écrit :
> Hello François,
>
>
> Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 10:25:04 AM, you wrote:
>
>>> This is a strange question, perhaps... How do I _enable_ CD-ROM
>>> automount on Fedora 12 machine?
>
>>  2 tests:
>
>> Immediately after boot, check for soft link:
>
> /dev/dvd -->> /dev/sr0
>
>> (dvd, crrom, cdrw, dvdrw, whatever... at least one)
>
>
> $ ls -l /dev/cdr*
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-04-06 19:31 /dev/cdrom1 -> sr0
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-04-06 19:31 /dev/cdrw1 -> sr0
> $ ls -l /dev/dvd*
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-04-06 19:31 /dev/dvd1 -> sr0
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-04-06 19:31 /dev/dvdrw1 -> sr0
> $
>
>> Then insert a disk and check again if the soft link i still there.
>
> $ ls -l /dev/dvd*
> ls: cannot access /dev/dvd*: No such file or directory
> $ ls -l /dev/cdr*
> ls: cannot access /dev/cdr*: No such file or directory
>
>
> Hugh, that's not right, is it?

I think that it is a bug I asked this question some time ago and had
no answer!

After a lot of googleing I came accross a solution, but first: have you
a file:

/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules
(Maybe, with another number).

If not, create one, using the command:

udevtest /sys/block/sr0


Then, normally, you have this "persistent-cd-rules" file

Reboot and see if you can automount your disks.

(With this file, the links must be "persistent", ie. they are not erased
when you insert a disk.)


I posted this solution some times ago on this list, but someone answered
that if this has been removed from f12, there were certainly a good
reason why and that I could have many side effects if I added it now!

I have absolutely no problem up to now and problem is solved for me.
Hope it will be the same for you.

Hope too that someone gives a good reason for suppressing this file in f12.

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illuminated keyboard issue

[Gerhard Magnus]

I'm running FC11 with a gnome desktop on a box dual booting Windows XP.
I recently acquired a sunbeam illuminated keyboard that works fine with
the machine in Windows mode -- the keyboard lighting toggles on and off
with the scroll lock key. But this doesn't work when I'm running FC11.
Is there some way to hack this? Any suggestions would be most
appreciated. --Jerry


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Re: Changing host name

[Kevin Martin]

> As far as I know ::1 is only valid as a local address for ipv6.
> You need the ip_address of the machine in the hosts file.
>
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You need no hostname/ip_address combo in the hosts file if using dhcp.

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Re: eSATA removable drive

[John Austin]

On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 15:23 -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> I have an eSATA external hard drive case.  I want to hotplug / unplug it.
> 
> My system is Fedora 11.
> 
> I added an external eSATA port on my desktop computer by adding a bracket 
> (with an internal cable connected to one of the ordinary SATA sockets on 
> the motherboard.)
> 
> The SATA controller is an intel ICH9R.  To make hotplug work, I needed
> to go the computer's BIOS and change the SATA mode to AHCI (it was
> IDE).
> 
> I can now hotplug the drive.
> 
> I cannot unplug the drive.  If I tell the system to eject the drive,
> it complains:
> 
> # eject /dev/sdi
> eject: device "/dev/sdi" doesn't have a removable or hotpluggable flag
> # cat /sys/block/sdi/removable 
> 0
> (I don't know where or what a hotpluggable flag is.)
> 
> I guess that makes sense: the system doesn't know that I added an
> eSATA bracket.
> 
> What are the reasonable ways to tell the system that that SATA port is
> an eSATA port and should allow for hotplugging/unplugging?
> 
> My guess is some kind of HAL rule but I'm not an initiate.  Maybe
> something in here would work:
>   
> 
> Surely lots of people have already encountered this issue.  If so,
> there ought to be a non-wizard way to handle it.
Hi

I have used hotplug hard drives for some time but never used eject

Try to sort it out as root and then move on to a normal user

What does mount show when the disk is plugged in?
It should be showing /dev/sdix I believe not /dev/sdi

umount should be working for root but not for a normal user

Brute force enabling of a normal user to mount a hotplug ext disk
For F11
I edited /etc/PolicyKit/PolicyKit.conf to permit "everybody" to mount






 or even worse

nedit /etc/PolicyKit/PolicyKit.conf Let root and ja do anything 


 
   


These hacks have changed for F12 !

I am using KDM and XFCE and gnome is installed so what is controlling
udev/hal type things is a mystery to me !

With the hacks above for a normal user the disks get mounted and the
Thunar file manager is opened automatically

However I use pcmanfm to unmount external eSATA disk partitions as they
are all shown in the file manager side panel

John

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Re: Changing host name

[Aaron Konstam]

On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 16:20 +0100, Michael Thompson wrote: 
> On 06/04/2010 16:05, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 15:51 +0100, Michael Thompson wrote:
> >   
> >> When I change the hostname on my fedora 12 box, from the installation
> >> default of localhost.localdomain, the network dies until it is reset
> >> back.
> >> 
> > "localhost" is assumed always to exist and to be bound to 127.0.0.1 (see
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost). You can of course give your
> > machine another name as well (just add additional names to the localhost
> > line in /etc/hosts), but you can't remove the meaning of localhost
> > without breaking things.
> >
> > poc
> >
> >   
> Yup, I knew that. I'm changing the network name, not localhost. The
> hosts file reads:
> 
> 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomain   localhostfeddesk
> ::1 localhost.localdomain   localhost6localhostfeddesk
> 
> Believe it or not, I'm not stupid.
> 
As far as I know ::1 is only valid as a local address for ipv6.
You need the ip_address of the machine in the hosts file.


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Re: Changing host name

[Aaron Konstam]

On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 15:51 +0100, Michael Thompson wrote: 
> When I change the hostname on my fedora 12 box, from the installation
> default of localhost.localdomain, the network dies until it is reset back.
> 
> I'm changing the hostname by the Network control applet in Gnome, and
> have checked that /etc/sysconfig/network and it lists the following
> 
> NETWORKING=yes
> HOSTNAME=feddesk
> 
> ifconfig shows
> 
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:29:D1:7F:B3
>   inet6 addr: fe80::20c:29ff:fed1:7fb3/64 Scope:Link
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:101 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>   RX bytes:13048 (12.7 KiB)  TX bytes:258 (258.0 b)
> 
> loLink encap:Local Loopback
>   inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>   inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
>   UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
>   RX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>   RX bytes:1320 (1.2 KiB)  TX bytes:1320 (1.2 KiB)
> 
> I cant understand why the act of changing the hostname would kill the
> network, has anyone got any ideas?
> 
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> http://maverickapollo.wordpress.com
> 
Does your /etc/hosts file also have an entry for the hostname.
If you don't then the entry in the network file can't resolve the
ip_address of the hostname to set up the connection.

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eSATA removable drive

[D. Hugh Redelmeier]

I have an eSATA external hard drive case.  I want to hotplug / unplug it.

My system is Fedora 11.

I added an external eSATA port on my desktop computer by adding a bracket 
(with an internal cable connected to one of the ordinary SATA sockets on 
the motherboard.)

The SATA controller is an intel ICH9R.  To make hotplug work, I needed
to go the computer's BIOS and change the SATA mode to AHCI (it was
IDE).

I can now hotplug the drive.

I cannot unplug the drive.  If I tell the system to eject the drive,
it complains:

# eject /dev/sdi
eject: device "/dev/sdi" doesn't have a removable or hotpluggable flag
# cat /sys/block/sdi/removable 
0
(I don't know where or what a hotpluggable flag is.)

I guess that makes sense: the system doesn't know that I added an
eSATA bracket.

What are the reasonable ways to tell the system that that SATA port is
an eSATA port and should allow for hotplugging/unplugging?

My guess is some kind of HAL rule but I'm not an initiate.  Maybe
something in here would work:
  

Surely lots of people have already encountered this issue.  If so,
there ought to be a non-wizard way to handle it.
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Re: Severe problems with radeonHD 3470 and dual head conf

[François Cami]

Hello Peter,

On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:41:33 +0200
Peter Boy  wrote:

> I bought a new box with an ATI Radeon HD 3470 (it is one of the rare
> graphic boards with 2 DVI and passive cooling).
> 
> Installing F12 it automatically configures xinerama mode (better
> spanning) as desired. But:
> 
>   -  Using a VGA adapter and VGA connection the second screen uses 
>  a thinner, hard to read font and just a few different colors 
>  (e.g. light grey will become white).
> 
>   -  Using DVI connectors directly the second monitor does not 
>  receive a signal at all, allthough xrandr reports both monitors
>  connected and xorg.log reads the monitors specifications (and 
>  does not report any error). 
> 
> If I switch the monitors, the same effect. So it is not caused by the
> monitor itself or the cable.

First of all, not debugging your card's outputs is a bug and
should be treated as such.

So could you please file a bug report at:
http://bugzilla.redhat.com/

What should be included:
* make and model of your monitors
* /var/log/dmesg after booting with the following kernel parameter:
   drm.debug=15
* /var/log/Xorg.0.log of the same attempt.

Both logs should be attached as text/plain files.

Then, please try booting with the nomodeset kernel parameter, and use
either xrandr or xorg.conf to configure your dual screen.
If that works, please add that to your bug report and include relevant
logs (mainly Xorg.0.log) of that attempt.

Cheers

François
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Re: Strange msgs from restore;

[George R Goffe]

Howdy,

Thanks to all who responded, these responses are DEFINITELY appreciated.

I tried everything suggested with no change in behavior. I would like to try 
the "new" version of dump/restore but am unable to locate the code. I tried 
using the rawhide repo and installing dump but that didn't work either.

Any thoughts/hints/tips/suggestions would be welcome.

Regards,

George...


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Re: recommend hardware firewall

[Michael Miles]

Lots of great stuff here

Thanks everyone.

Why use Windows when you can use Fedora



On 04/06/2010 09:18 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 11:57:14 -0400,
>Kwan Lowe  wrote:
>
>> I'm putting together an Atom-based system for just this purpose. Power
>> consumption is not as low as a $50 router (and probably never could
>> be), but I'm adding three NICs (1 dual, 1 single port) so that I can
>> create a DMZ and LAN and a separate management port.  It should come
>> in at just under $250, which is quite a bit less than a dedicated
>> router/firewall with similar capability.
>>  
> Note that you can do this with the $50 routers as well. The hardware in
> those cheap boxes is pretty amazing. The two Buffalo routers I have
> (WHR G54S and WHR G125) have hardware switchs that do vlans. So with proper
> configuration you have vlans supported by hardware. (The default is for
> the 4 lan ports to be in the same vlan and to bridge that with the wireless
> port.)
>
> Your machine is probably better if you want to run services on the firewall
> (such as asterisk or a web server), but for just firewalling and traffic
> control, you probably could get by with a $50 router.
>

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Re: Audio with CRON works - not AT?

[Rick Stevens]

On 04/06/2010 07:52 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
> People,
>
> When I put:
>
> 40 21 * * * root /usr/bin/mplayer -ao alsa
> /home/phil/audio/vincent_van_gogh.mp3
>
> in /etc/crontab - it works but if use "at" for any time and enter:
>
> /usr/bin/mplayer -ao alsa /home/phil/audio/vincent_van_gogh.mp3
>
> - at the designated time I hear a click as though something happens but
> no audio clip.
>
> Anyone know why "at" doesn't behave?

I'm sure it does.  When you use /etc/crontab, you're saying "use root's
environment when running this command".  You weren't clear, but if
you're using "at" as any user other than root, then it'll execute with
_that_ user's environment, not root's.  This might cause access issues
to the audio hardware, pulseaudio may not be running if you're not
logged into the system via the GUI, etc., etc.  There's lots of stuff
going on there.
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Re: Strange msgs from restore;

[Rick Stevens]

On 04/06/2010 02:50 AM, Dave Mitchell wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 10:46:59PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> Dump/restore is a very poor tool to use unless the drives are identical.
>
> Huh?

Yeah, huh?  Dump/restore is filesystem-oriented.  It doesn't give a
tinker's cuss what the underlying storage is.  Gene, are you thinking
"dd", not "dump"?
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Does anybody use gnome-do?

[Paolo Galtieri]

I was playing around with gnome-do today and I find it totally useless.

I tried is to look up totem.  So I entered totem in the search pane. The 
match it found was for a URL from my Firefox history:


http://www.ccieflyer.com/

Because the website contained the following text

**Welcome* to t*h*e M*arch

The bold are the characters it matched.  This is not what I was looking 
for so I hit the down arrow key to display the list of matches.  It 
listed 135 matches, the first 134 where URLs from my Firefox history and 
the last match was the one I was looking for, the exact match for totem.


Am I doing something wrong or is this how gnome-do works?  If this is 
how it works it's useless I expect the exact match to be listed first.


What's also not clear to me is whether clicking on the select box for a 
plugin is the same as installing the plugin.  The documentation isn't 
very helpful.  I expected to see an install button or an enable button.


According to the Wiki it says if I want to send email to mom I type

mom  email

Doing this results in gnome-do telling me no results for email

So does anybody have any pointers on how to set gnome-do up and actually 
use it?


Paolo
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Re: recommend hardware firewall

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 11:57:14 -0400,
  Kwan Lowe  wrote:
> 
> I'm putting together an Atom-based system for just this purpose. Power
> consumption is not as low as a $50 router (and probably never could
> be), but I'm adding three NICs (1 dual, 1 single port) so that I can
> create a DMZ and LAN and a separate management port.  It should come
> in at just under $250, which is quite a bit less than a dedicated
> router/firewall with similar capability.

Note that you can do this with the $50 routers as well. The hardware in
those cheap boxes is pretty amazing. The two Buffalo routers I have
(WHR G54S and WHR G125) have hardware switchs that do vlans. So with proper
configuration you have vlans supported by hardware. (The default is for
the 4 lan ports to be in the same vlan and to bridge that with the wireless
port.)

Your machine is probably better if you want to run services on the firewall
(such as asterisk or a web server), but for just firewalling and traffic
control, you probably could get by with a $50 router.
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Re: Changing host name

[Kevin Martin]

On 04/06/2010 09:51 AM, Michael Thompson wrote:
> When I change the hostname on my fedora 12 box, from the installation
> default of localhost.localdomain, the network dies until it is reset back.
>
> I'm changing the hostname by the Network control applet in Gnome, and
> have checked that /etc/sysconfig/network and it lists the following
>
> NETWORKING=yes
> HOSTNAME=feddesk
>
> ifconfig shows
>
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:29:D1:7F:B3
>   inet6 addr: fe80::20c:29ff:fed1:7fb3/64 Scope:Link
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:101 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>   RX bytes:13048 (12.7 KiB)  TX bytes:258 (258.0 b)
>
> loLink encap:Local Loopback
>   inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>   inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
>   UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
>   RX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>   RX bytes:1320 (1.2 KiB)  TX bytes:1320 (1.2 KiB)
>
> I cant understand why the act of changing the hostname would kill the
> network, has anyone got any ideas?
>
>   
How is your network address set (dhcp, hardcoded address)?  Does
/etc/hosts and/or /etc/resolv.conf change when you change the hostname
information?  If your address is setup via dhcp, what does a "tcpdump -i
eth0" show is happening when the hostname changes?And why so many
errors on your eth0 nic *and* your loopback nic?  Are you using IPV4 or
IPV6?

Kevin
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Re: Changing host name

[Ed Greshko]

>
> "On 10:51:14 am Michael Thompson  said"
>   
>> When I change the hostname on my fedora 12 box, from the installation
>> default of localhost.localdomain, the network dies until it is reset back.
>>
>> I'm changing the hostname by the Network control applet in Gnome, and
>> have checked that /etc/sysconfig/network and it lists the following
>>
>> NETWORKING=yes
>> HOSTNAME=feddesk
>>
>> ifconfig shows
>>
>> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:29:D1:7F:B3
>>   inet6 addr: fe80::20c:29ff:fed1:7fb3/64 Scope:Link
>>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>>   RX packets:101 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>>   TX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>>   RX bytes:13048 (12.7 KiB)  TX bytes:258 (258.0 b)
>>
>> loLink encap:Local Loopback
>>   inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>>   inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
>>   UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
>>   RX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>>   TX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>>   RX bytes:1320 (1.2 KiB)  TX bytes:1320 (1.2 KiB)
>>
>> I cant understand why the act of changing the hostname would kill the
>> network, has anyone got any ideas?
>>
>> --
>> Michael Thompson
>> http://maverickapollo.wordpress.com
>> 
> Note that for some reason there is no 'inet addr:' on your eth0, could be a 
> clue to what has happened.
>   
That is the point the OP is making.  He is saying that prior to making
the hostname change he had an IP address.  Upon changing the hostname,
the IP address was gone...as in the "network died".



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Re: recommend hardware firewall

[Kwan Lowe]

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Bruno Wolff III  wrote:

> Remember that there are also power costs. The $50 routers don't draw as much
> power as an old repurposed general purpose machine is going to. They also
> come with wireless support.
>
> Depending on what you are going to do with the firewall, it might also be
> cheaper to buy just one network card and an unmanaged switch. (8 port switches
> were going for about $20 a few years ago.)

I'm putting together an Atom-based system for just this purpose. Power
consumption is not as low as a $50 router (and probably never could
be), but I'm adding three NICs (1 dual, 1 single port) so that I can
create a DMZ and LAN and a separate management port.  It should come
in at just under $250, which is quite a bit less than a dedicated
router/firewall with similar capability.

Though Fedora is an option, I may end up using one of the Firewall
distros since they include some nice web front-ends.
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Re: Changing host name

[ka1ifq]

"On 10:51:14 am Michael Thompson  said"
> When I change the hostname on my fedora 12 box, from the installation
> default of localhost.localdomain, the network dies until it is reset back.
>
> I'm changing the hostname by the Network control applet in Gnome, and
> have checked that /etc/sysconfig/network and it lists the following
>
> NETWORKING=yes
> HOSTNAME=feddesk
>
> ifconfig shows
>
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:29:D1:7F:B3
>   inet6 addr: fe80::20c:29ff:fed1:7fb3/64 Scope:Link
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:101 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>   RX bytes:13048 (12.7 KiB)  TX bytes:258 (258.0 b)
>
> loLink encap:Local Loopback
>   inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>   inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
>   UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
>   RX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>   RX bytes:1320 (1.2 KiB)  TX bytes:1320 (1.2 KiB)
>
> I cant understand why the act of changing the hostname would kill the
> network, has anyone got any ideas?
>
> --
> Michael Thompson
> http://maverickapollo.wordpress.com

Note that for some reason there is no 'inet addr:' on your eth0, could be a 
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Re: Changing host name

[Ed Greshko]

>
> When I change the hostname on my fedora 12 box, from the installation
> default of localhost.localdomain, the network dies until it is reset back.
>
> I'm changing the hostname by the Network control applet in Gnome, and
> have checked that /etc/sysconfig/network and it lists the following
>
> NETWORKING=yes
> HOSTNAME=feddesk
>
> ifconfig shows
>
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:29:D1:7F:B3
>   inet6 addr: fe80::20c:29ff:fed1:7fb3/64 Scope:Link
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:101 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>   RX bytes:13048 (12.7 KiB)  TX bytes:258 (258.0 b)
>
> loLink encap:Local Loopback
>   inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>   inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
>   UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
>   RX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>   RX bytes:1320 (1.2 KiB)  TX bytes:1320 (1.2 KiB)
>
> I cant understand why the act of changing the hostname would kill the
> network, has anyone got any ideas?
>
>   
I shouldn't think that should happen either.  So, I tried it...and it
didn't happen for me.

My hostname was originally set to f12k.greshko.com.  I changed it to
f21.greshko.com, then to localhost.localdomain, then to feddesk, and
then back to f12k.greshko.com.

At no time did the network disconnect.

I believe Patrick may have missed the part about your using
"system-control-network"...if that is of any value.  :-)

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Re: Amarok 2.3: how to change playlist order

[Rex Dieter]

Andrea wrote:

> Can you choose where to drop them? In which position of the playlist?
> I cant.

Yes, works fine here.  Once I hover, there's a horizontal bars that appears 
at that spot in the playlist.  When I let go of the mouse button, my dragged 
item appears there.

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Re: Changing host name

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 16:40 +0100, Michael Thompson wrote:
> On 06/04/10 16:30, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
> > OK
> > 
> > I don't think anyone thinks you are stupid...
> > 
> > Just people trying to be helpful..
> > 
> > Every time I post..  I get great answers and help.
> > 
> > YMMV
> > 
> > Marvin
> 
> :)
> 
> Guess I should of put a smillie on that, it did'nt mean to sound like
> that.

Fair enough. Let's call it closed.

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Re: Changing host name

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 16:20 +0100, Michael Thompson wrote:
> On 06/04/2010 16:05, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 15:51 +0100, Michael Thompson wrote:
> >   
> >> When I change the hostname on my fedora 12 box, from the installation
> >> default of localhost.localdomain, the network dies until it is reset
> >> back.
> >> 
> > "localhost" is assumed always to exist and to be bound to 127.0.0.1 (see
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost). You can of course give your
> > machine another name as well (just add additional names to the localhost
> > line in /etc/hosts), but you can't remove the meaning of localhost
> > without breaking things.
> >
> > poc
> >
> >   
> Yup, I knew that. I'm changing the network name, not localhost. The
> hosts file reads:
> 
> 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomain   localhostfeddesk
> ::1 localhost.localdomain   localhost6localhostfeddesk

Your original post says "When I change the hostname on my fedora 12 box,
from the installation default of localhost.localdomain ...". "Change
from the default" means "substitute something for the default".

> Believe it or not, I'm not stupid.

No-one called you stupid, so that kind of reaction is uncalled for. And
don't push the blame for a misunderstanding onto the reader when your
question is badly formulated.

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Re: Changing host name

[Michael Thompson]

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On 06/04/10 16:30, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
> OK
> 
> I don't think anyone thinks you are stupid...
> 
> Just people trying to be helpful..
> 
> Every time I post..  I get great answers and help.
> 
> YMMV
> 
> Marvin

:)

Guess I should of put a smillie on that, it did'nt mean to sound like that.


> 
> 
> On 4/6/10, Michael Thompson  wrote:
>> On 06/04/2010 16:05, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 15:51 +0100, Michael Thompson wrote:
>>>
 When I change the hostname on my fedora 12 box, from the installation
 default of localhost.localdomain, the network dies until it is reset
 back.

>>> "localhost" is assumed always to exist and to be bound to 127.0.0.1 (see
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost). You can of course give your
>>> machine another name as well (just add additional names to the localhost
>>> line in /etc/hosts), but you can't remove the meaning of localhost
>>> without breaking things.
>>>
>>> poc
>>>
>>>
>> Yup, I knew that. I'm changing the network name, not localhost. The
>> hosts file reads:
>>
>> 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomain   localhostfeddesk
>> ::1 localhost.localdomain   localhost6localhostfeddesk
>>
>> Believe it or not, I'm not stupid.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: CD/DVD automount in Fedora 12

[Andrew Junev]

Hello François,


Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 10:25:04 AM, you wrote:

>> This is a strange question, perhaps... How do I _enable_ CD-ROM
>> automount on Fedora 12 machine?

>  2 tests:

> Immediately after boot, check for soft link:

/dev/dvd -->> /dev/sr0

> (dvd, crrom, cdrw, dvdrw, whatever... at least one)


$ ls -l /dev/cdr*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-04-06 19:31 /dev/cdrom1 -> sr0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-04-06 19:31 /dev/cdrw1 -> sr0
$ ls -l /dev/dvd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-04-06 19:31 /dev/dvd1 -> sr0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-04-06 19:31 /dev/dvdrw1 -> sr0
$

> Then insert a disk and check again if the soft link i still there.

$ ls -l /dev/dvd*
ls: cannot access /dev/dvd*: No such file or directory
$ ls -l /dev/cdr*
ls: cannot access /dev/cdr*: No such file or directory


Hugh, that's not right, is it?



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Re: recommend hardware firewall

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 19:45:08 -0700,
  Michael Miles  wrote:
> I do plan on an upgrade to a better router
> 
> So if I wanted to create a separate machine and put 3 or 4 good lan 
> adapters on a amd xp 1500
> install fedora 12 and use it as a firewall only, would probably be a 
> good alternative to a 100 dollar router

Remember that there are also power costs. The $50 routers don't draw as much
power as an old repurposed general purpose machine is going to. They also
come with wireless support.

Depending on what you are going to do with the firewall, it might also be
cheaper to buy just one network card and an unmanaged switch. (8 port switches
were going for about $20 a few years ago.)
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Re: Changing host name

[Marvin Kosmal]

OK

I don't think anyone thinks you are stupid...

Just people trying to be helpful..

Every time I post..  I get great answers and help.

YMMV

Marvin


On 4/6/10, Michael Thompson  wrote:
> On 06/04/2010 16:05, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 15:51 +0100, Michael Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> When I change the hostname on my fedora 12 box, from the installation
>>> default of localhost.localdomain, the network dies until it is reset
>>> back.
>>>
>> "localhost" is assumed always to exist and to be bound to 127.0.0.1 (see
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost). You can of course give your
>> machine another name as well (just add additional names to the localhost
>> line in /etc/hosts), but you can't remove the meaning of localhost
>> without breaking things.
>>
>> poc
>>
>>
> Yup, I knew that. I'm changing the network name, not localhost. The
> hosts file reads:
>
> 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomain   localhostfeddesk
> ::1 localhost.localdomain   localhost6localhostfeddesk
>
> Believe it or not, I'm not stupid.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Changing host name

[Michael Thompson]

On 06/04/2010 16:05, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 15:51 +0100, Michael Thompson wrote:
>   
>> When I change the hostname on my fedora 12 box, from the installation
>> default of localhost.localdomain, the network dies until it is reset
>> back.
>> 
> "localhost" is assumed always to exist and to be bound to 127.0.0.1 (see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost). You can of course give your
> machine another name as well (just add additional names to the localhost
> line in /etc/hosts), but you can't remove the meaning of localhost
> without breaking things.
>
> poc
>
>   
Yup, I knew that. I'm changing the network name, not localhost. The
hosts file reads:

127.0.0.1localhost.localdomain   localhostfeddesk
::1 localhost.localdomain   localhost6localhostfeddesk

Believe it or not, I'm not stupid.




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Re: Amarok 2.3: how to change playlist order

[Andrea]

On 06/04/10 14:45, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Andrea wrote:
> 
>> On 02/04/10 15:40, Andrea wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> In Amarok 2.3 Fedora 11 I don't seem to be able to rearrange the order of
>>> songs in the playlist.
>>>
>>> On the right side of the screen there is the playlist of songs currently
>>> played. When I try to drag and drop one of them in a different place
>>> nothing seems to happen, but I can see visual feedback of the drag action
>>> and a "cursor" indicating the position of the drop. Just it does not
>>> happen.
>>>
>>> And when I drag song to the playlist, they are added in a random (AFAIU)
>>> position.
>>>
>>> Any idea?
>>>
>> No one?
>> Is it because nobody uses it, or it is impossible?
> 
> drag-n-drop new or existing items into playlist seems to work ok for me. ??
> 
> -- Rex
> 
> 

Can you choose where to drop them? In which position of the playlist?
I cant.
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Re: Changing host name

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 15:51 +0100, Michael Thompson wrote:
> When I change the hostname on my fedora 12 box, from the installation
> default of localhost.localdomain, the network dies until it is reset
> back.

"localhost" is assumed always to exist and to be bound to 127.0.0.1 (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost). You can of course give your
machine another name as well (just add additional names to the localhost
line in /etc/hosts), but you can't remove the meaning of localhost
without breaking things.

poc

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Audio with CRON works - not AT?

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

When I put:

40 21 * * * root /usr/bin/mplayer -ao alsa 
/home/phil/audio/vincent_van_gogh.mp3

in /etc/crontab - it works but if use "at" for any time and enter:

/usr/bin/mplayer -ao alsa /home/phil/audio/vincent_van_gogh.mp3

- at the designated time I hear a click as though something happens but 
no audio clip.

Anyone know why "at" doesn't behave?

Thanks,

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Changing host name

[Michael Thompson]

When I change the hostname on my fedora 12 box, from the installation
default of localhost.localdomain, the network dies until it is reset back.

I'm changing the hostname by the Network control applet in Gnome, and
have checked that /etc/sysconfig/network and it lists the following

NETWORKING=yes
HOSTNAME=feddesk

ifconfig shows

eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:29:D1:7F:B3
  inet6 addr: fe80::20c:29ff:fed1:7fb3/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:101 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:13048 (12.7 KiB)  TX bytes:258 (258.0 b)

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:1320 (1.2 KiB)  TX bytes:1320 (1.2 KiB)

I cant understand why the act of changing the hostname would kill the
network, has anyone got any ideas?

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Re: Is KDE dead ? Was Re: Stable Release Updates

[Petrus de Calguarium]

Clemens Eisserer wrote:

> overall
> its sad quality has become so bad.

I am using KDE4 and it is light years in advance of kde3. 
Presently, I have an updates-testing installation of 
KDE-4.4.2. KDE has been absolutely phenomenal now for at 
least 18 months, with only the kde-4.0 and 4.1 strains 
having been somewhat er... difficult.

I cannot imagine why you would install the alpha or even 
beta test release candidates when you are having such a bad 
time of it. I do use them, with glee, and experience 
negligible discomfort, as, only occasionally, there might be 
a minor, but easily overlooked, glitch somewhere, but never 
to the point that I am unable to perform what I need to do.

I have 4GB of memory and a 1.86GHz Intel dual core 
processor. I also have a laptop with 2Gb of memory and a 
single core Intel roughly 1.73GHz processor. The laptop 
definitely lags noticeably (slow to boot, compositing 
effects are slow), but it is eminently usable nonetheless.

I think you are experiencing problems due to very dated and 
inadequate hardware. Not even my old Windows XP ran well, 
back in 2000, on 512Mb of memory!!! I had to upgrade to 1GB 
to be able to use it with any degree of comfort.

I am very grateful for what the devs did, and that I get 
such a great thing for free (as in my back pocket), and 
overall it is astonishing that quality has exceeded all 
expectations. Let's give Gnome 3 a run for the free speech. 
Excellent work, guys! Show 'em what you can do.

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Re: Looking for a monitor driver

[Mike McCarty]

Dave Higton wrote:
> I'd suggest that the assumptions are well out of date and should be
> re-thought.  They tend to make the display invisible because it's
> out of the range of some modern monitors.  Who uses 640 * 480
> nowadays?  Who uses CRT monitors nowadays?  (The "safety" issue,
> I believe, related to CRT monitors from about 30 years ago that
> responded badly if driven slightly out of range.)

ALL the monitors I have are CRTs. What an unhelpful response.

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Re: Amarok 2.3: how to change playlist order

[Daniel B. Thurman]

On 04/06/2010 06:21 AM, Andrea wrote:
> On 02/04/10 15:40, Andrea wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> In Amarok 2.3 Fedora 11 I don't seem to be able to rearrange the order of 
>> songs in the playlist.
>>
>> On the right side of the screen there is the playlist of songs currently 
>> played.
>> When I try to drag and drop one of them in a different place nothing seems 
>> to happen, but I can see
>> visual feedback of the drag action and a "cursor" indicating the position of 
>> the drop. Just it does
>> not happen.
>>
>> And when I drag song to the playlist, they are added in a random (AFAIU) 
>> position.
>>
>> Any idea?
>>
>> 
> No one?
> Is it because nobody uses it, or it is impossible?
>   

Assuming local files:

1) Menu Setup 'Settings->Configure Amarok'
2) Menu Select 'Tools->Update Collection'
3) Click blue "folder" or click '>' and select 'Local Music' in top-left
column,
4) Select music items or categories (w/control/shift), right-click
over selected, and then select 'Add to playlist'

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Re: Amarok 2.3: how to change playlist order

[Rex Dieter]

Andrea wrote:

> On 02/04/10 15:40, Andrea wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> In Amarok 2.3 Fedora 11 I don't seem to be able to rearrange the order of
>> songs in the playlist.
>> 
>> On the right side of the screen there is the playlist of songs currently
>> played. When I try to drag and drop one of them in a different place
>> nothing seems to happen, but I can see visual feedback of the drag action
>> and a "cursor" indicating the position of the drop. Just it does not
>> happen.
>> 
>> And when I drag song to the playlist, they are added in a random (AFAIU)
>> position.
>> 
>> Any idea?
>> 
> No one?
> Is it because nobody uses it, or it is impossible?

drag-n-drop new or existing items into playlist seems to work ok for me. ??

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Re: Amarok 2.3: how to change playlist order

[Andrea]

On 02/04/10 15:40, Andrea wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> In Amarok 2.3 Fedora 11 I don't seem to be able to rearrange the order of 
> songs in the playlist.
> 
> On the right side of the screen there is the playlist of songs currently 
> played.
> When I try to drag and drop one of them in a different place nothing seems to 
> happen, but I can see
> visual feedback of the drag action and a "cursor" indicating the position of 
> the drop. Just it does
> not happen.
> 
> And when I drag song to the playlist, they are added in a random (AFAIU) 
> position.
> 
> Any idea?
> 
No one?
Is it because nobody uses it, or it is impossible?


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Re: recommend hardware firewall

[Tim]

On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 14:06 +0300, Doron Bar Zeev wrote:
> why would that be different from linux with iptables?

BSD uses a different rule technique.  Well it did, the last time I had a
look at it (quite some time ago).  I seem to recall it was regarded as
being better.

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Re: recommend hardware firewall

[Doron Bar Zeev]

> I know this is a fedora list but OpenBSD with PF will work very well as
> a router out the box and well worth a look at (even if it's just for
> research purposes)
>
>
I know this is not to the discussion but I wanted to know,
why would that be different from linux with iptables?
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Re: recommend hardware firewall

[Michal]

On 06/04/2010 03:45, Michael Miles wrote:
> On 04/05/2010 05:40 PM, Mail Lists wrote:
>>Lots of good comments here.
>>
>> I have seen a befsx (newer than the befsr) which could not keep up
>> with a cable internet connection -  reduced d/l by 20% or so. This was a
>> nominal 30 Mb/s d/l and the router was definitely the bottleneck.
>>
>>The primary firewall, linux with over 30,000 rules has no such issue -
>> its a 3 Ghz Pentium D with 3com 905 C ethernet controllers.
>>
>>gene
>>
>>
>>
> I do plan on an upgrade to a better router
> 
> So if I wanted to create a separate machine and put 3 or 4 good lan 
> adapters on a amd xp 1500
> install fedora 12 and use it as a firewall only, would probably be a 
> good alternative to a 100 dollar router
> 
> Michael

I know this is a fedora list but OpenBSD with PF will work very well as
a router out the box and well worth a look at (even if it's just for
research purposes)
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Re: Strange msgs from restore;

[Dave Mitchell]

On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 10:46:59PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Dump/restore is a very poor tool to use unless the drives are identical.

Huh?

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