Fedora 13 installation

2010-06-04 Thread Mark Ryden
Hello,
  I had tried to install Fedora 13 on Lenovo N500 latpop and when I try to boot
it starts, the fedora logo appears, some services (like udev) are
started, and then
it hangs; I tried it three times. I added to the kernel boot
parameters "noprobe noapic noapci" but
it did not help.
This laptop ran Fedora 10 before.
What do you suggest me to do ? \

rgs,
Mark
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Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

2010-06-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:17:04 -0400, Máirín wrote:

> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> > 2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy:
> > > Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They are directed
> > > towards this list right now via a number of different pointers. My team
> > > is planning to redesign the Fedora website for Fedora 14, and I'm not
> > > sure we can in good conscience continue to point new users to this list
> > 
> > Let me get this straight: You remove relevant, helpful links from one
> > Fedora site page and the user community explodes with queries,
> > comments, and complaints about the omission. Now your response to this
> > feedback is to suggest that *more* relevant, helpful links be removed
> > from another page?
> > 
> > I would laugh, but I think that you're serious.
> 
> I don't want to point people new to Fedora to a list with attitudes like
> this and to come away with the notion that kind of treatment of people -
> the dripping sarcasm, personal attacks, trolling - is representative of
> Fedora. It's not. Maybe it's representative of this list (I haven't been
> following it long enough to know for sure) but it is most certainly NOT
> how things are done in Fedora.
> 
> So yes, a link to list this may not actually be a relevant and helpful
> link for new users. There is some good rationale above as to why I
> believe this, and unfortunately the tone of your response provides
> further support.

Unfortunately, that's a message that does exactly the opposite of improving
the climate.

> > Not all of the feedback from this list was unconstructive. Not all of
> > the responses were abusive or confrontational. But after reviewing the
> > thread in question, I have to say that *many* of your responses were
> > confrontational and many were, frankly, condescending. It didn't seem
> > to matter whether the person you were replying to was trying to be
> > constructive or snarky; your responses seemed designed to pour more
> > fuel on the fire almost every time.
> 
> This is an unfair personal attack, and is not constructive especially
> given the topic of the thread. Please let's talk about making things
> better, and stop pointing fingers and making accusations.

Cool down. Alan has made some valid points. IMO.
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Re: Managing debuginfo repos and packages

2010-06-04 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Friday 04 June 2010 06:31 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 06/05/2010 06:10 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
>> I would like to keep this auto update feature of debuginfo packages, but
>> is there someway I could tell the plugin not to enable the debuginfo
>> repos for all repositories, just the ones with installed debuginfo packages?
>>
>
> You might have to just file a RFE on that.
>

Thanks Rahul, I 'll do that over the weekend.

> Rahul

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Re: ant with jdk5

2010-06-04 Thread Andrew Overholt
Hi,

> $ ant -v
> Apache Ant version 1.7.1 compiled on April 16 2010
> Buildfile: build.xml
> Detected Java version: 1.5 in: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.22/jre
> Detected OS: Linux
> 
> BUILD FAILED
> java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: Bad version number in .class file

On Fedora 12 x86_64 with OpenJDK I get:

$ ant -v
Apache Ant version 1.7.1 compiled on August 13 2009
Buildfile: build.xml does not exist!
Build failed

and looking in ant.jar, I see, for example:

$ file org/apache/tools/ant/BuildEvent.class 
org/apache/tools/ant/BuildEvent.class: compiled Java class data, version 46.0 
(Java 1.2)

so it doesn't look like the bytecode is too new.  I suggest trying to
get more information which class is causing the
UnsupportedClassVersionError and/or looking at all .class files in
/usr/share/java/ant.jar (and/or the other ant JARs).

Andrew
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Re: Removing/Cemsoring bad Fedora mirrors?

2010-06-04 Thread Jon Stanley
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Daniel B. Thurman  wrote:

> For those who do manage mirror lists, the specific mirror
> in question is: "web-ster.com"

I can't see anything wrong with this mirror at the moment - I'm
downloading the KDE live ISO from it just for testing.  It seems a
little slow for a mirror that claims 250Mbps of bandwidth (I'm getting
500-600KB/sec on a connection that could get 6.5MB/s to a well
connected mirror near to me), but that could be distance related or
whatever.
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Re: Monitor disconnects (?) in F13

2010-06-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 22:05 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan writes:
> 
> > The only recourse seems to be a hard reset as there's no reaction to the
> > keyboard or mouse. I haven't yet tried ssh from another machine to poke
> > around. If anyone tells me what to look for I'll be happy to do it next
> > time.
> 
> Try the ssh. This sounds like a kernel crash.

It happened again so I tried the ssh. I was able to log in and
everything seemed to be still running, including my usual GUI apps (I
use KDE). Killing kdm, killing X and doing 'init 3' all had no effect.
It's as if the monitor is physically disconnected (or the video driver
is dead). I had to reboot. I'm going to report it to BZ.

poc

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ant with jdk5

2010-06-04 Thread fernando
Hi there,

Fedora includes Ant 1.7.1 which accoring to 
http://ant.apache.org/faq.html#java-version only
requires JDK 1.3 ti run. But if I install Sun JDK 1.5 and try to run any 
buildfile, I get:

$ ant -v
Apache Ant version 1.7.1 compiled on April 16 2010
Buildfile: build.xml
Detected Java version: 1.5 in: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.22/jre
Detected OS: Linux

BUILD FAILED
java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: Bad version number in .class file


I have many machines some with Fedora 11, 12 and 13, both 32 and 64-bit, but 
and some show this
error, some don't. And I can't find what to change, install or update so that 
Fedora Ant works with
Sun JDK 1.5.0. Curious, if I use gij and gcj (which are java 5) and works fine.


[]s, Fernando Lozano

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Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news

2010-06-04 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 18:35 -0700, Kam Leo wrote:
> I believe the OP means "/" which is the "root".

Only they can answer that, but since they mentioned the separation of
root from home, I do not think so.  And I cannot imagine that anyone
could have difficulty separating / from /home using the usual
partitioning tool, it's *very* easy.

/root, on the other hand, is not a mount point, it's a directory in /,
and that's how it should be.  /root needs to be available to the root
user when they log on in all modes, including single, where only the
minimum of partitions are mounted (i.e. most, if not all, of fstab is
ignored).

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Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news

2010-06-04 Thread Kam Leo
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Tim  wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:42 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> 2. For more than 15 years I have found that the GUI partition
>> installer hard to use and in F13 it is even more impossible to use.
>> This is mainly  because the various options are hard to distinguish
>> from one another. I know someone will say it was easy fo them but I
>> challenge them in the basic configuration to remove the separation of
>> root from home.
>
> Do you mean the root user space (typically /root)?  That shouldn't be
> inside /home, and that's not a partitioning issue.
>

I believe the OP means "/" which is the "root".
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Re: Managing debuginfo repos and packages

2010-06-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/05/2010 06:10 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> I would like to keep this auto update feature of debuginfo packages, but 
> is there someway I could tell the plugin not to enable the debuginfo 
> repos for all repositories, just the ones with installed debuginfo packages?
>   

You might have to just file a RFE on that.

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Re: Resizing virtual display on virtual machine

2010-06-04 Thread Dale J. Chatham
No joy.

I got the display hung when starting X.  Couldn't break out of it, 
couldn't get a grub boot to boot single.  Reinstalled the VM and now 
it's slow and will only do 800x600.

Probably something incredibly stupid I'm missing :)

On 06/04/2010 12:56 PM, Christoph A. wrote:
> On 06/04/2010 07:43 PM, Dale J. Chatham wrote:
>
>> Using virtual machine manager
>> fedora core 13 vm
>>
>>
>> How do I change the display resolution in the virtual machine?  1024x768
>> seems to be all I can get.
>>
>> I've scoured every way I can think of, Fedora docs, VMM docs, KVM, etc.
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>>  Dale
>>  
> Hi,
>
> I was also looking for an answer to this question yesterday and got a hint:
>
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-June/374160.html
>
> 1) set the video model to vga
> 2) within the VM: 'yum install system-config-display'
> ->  use it to set a new display with beter resolution
>
> I did that and got a higher resolution but unfortunately with a poor
> performance.
> Let me know if it worked for you.
>
> Christoph
>
>


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Managing debuginfo repos and packages

2010-06-04 Thread Suvayu Ali
Hi,

I recently installed debuginfo packages for glibc and gcc with 
debuginfo-install. It pulled in yum-plugin-auto-update-debug-info.


This enables the debuginfo repos for _all_ repos. And now every time I 
use a yum command, it spits out messages like this,

> Found 2 installed debuginfo package(s)
> Enabling fedora-debuginfo: Fedora 13 - x86_64 - Debug
> Reading repository metadata in from local files
> Enabling rpmfusion-nonfree-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - Nonfree - 
> Debug
> Reading repository metadata in from local files
> Enabling livna-debuginfo: rpm.livna.org for 13 - x86_64 - Debug
> Reading repository metadata in from local files
> Enabling rpmfusion-free-updates-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - Free - 
> Updates Debug
> Reading repository metadata in from local files
> Enabling rpmfusion-free-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - Free - Debug
> Reading repository metadata in from local files
> Enabling updates-debuginfo: Fedora 13 - x86_64 - Updates - Debug
> Reading repository metadata in from local files
> Enabling rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - 
> Nonfree - Updates Debug

I would like to keep this auto update feature of debuginfo packages, but 
is there someway I could tell the plugin not to enable the debuginfo 
repos for all repositories, just the ones with installed debuginfo packages?

Neither does this plugin come with a man page nor does it say anything 
under "Plugin Options:" in the output of `yum --help'. These messages 
can become quite annoying when you see them every single time. :-\

Thanks for any pointers.

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Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news

2010-06-04 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:42 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> 2. For more than 15 years I have found that the GUI partition
> installer hard to use and in F13 it is even more impossible to use.
> This is mainly  because the various options are hard to distinguish
> from one another. I know someone will say it was easy fo them but I
> challenge them in the basic configuration to remove the separation of
> root from home.

Do you mean the root user space (typically /root)?  That shouldn't be
inside /home, and that's not a partitioning issue.

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Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

2010-06-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 17:33 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 17:11 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > If there are egregious examples of people getting out of hand, one way
> > to handle it without escalting to the full list is to mail the list
> > admins directly, users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org in this case.  If
> > warranted, any list admin can place a member on moderation or warn
> > them that if they don't act more respectfully they will be moderated.
> 
> I would have liked to see that happen. It didn't appear to happen at
> all.

If I understand Todd's post correctly, the admins will entertain
requests for moderation of certain members, but such requests would have
to come from someone on the list. I wouldn't normally expect the admins
to act on their own except in extreme cases such as obvious spam. It
looks like no-one generated such a request in this case, including you.
Apologies if that's incorrect.

poc

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Re: [SPF:fail] Re: strange NFS behaviour after upgrade to F13

2010-06-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/05/2010 06:34 AM, Julian C. Dunn wrote:
> On 06/04/2010 08:15 AM, M A Young wrote:
>   
>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, M A Young wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Julian C. Dunn wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 I have upgraded both a NFS client and NFS server to F13 from F12.

 Now, on the client, all the files in my NFS home directory appear to be
 owned by nobody:nobody. It's as though they were being mysteriously
 root_squashed even though they're not owned by root.
 
>>> This could be as a result of the switch from NFSv3 to NFSv4 by default. I 
>>> have seen this problem as well though I haven't had time to investigate if 
>>> this is the trigger.
>>>   
>> Are you getting a lot of error messages like
>> rpc.idmapd[pid]: nss_getpwnam: name 'u...@nisdomain' does not map into 
>> domain 'dnsdomain'
>> in /var/log/messages? In my case it looks like rpc.idmapd can't cope 
>> with nisdomain and dnsdomain being different and I haven't successfully 
>> found a way to get this to work.
>> 
> Yes, I have many of those as well -- although I am not using NIS so I
> don't know if it's relevant.
>
> Also, I was running NFSv4 under F12 as well.
>
>
>   
The way to fix this is to edit /etc/idmapd.conf on both the server and
client side and ensure that they have matching "Domain =" declarations. 
After editing, it is necessary to restart rpc.idmapd.

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Re: strange NFS behaviour after upgrade to F13

2010-06-04 Thread Julian C. Dunn
On 06/04/2010 08:15 AM, M A Young wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, M A Young wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Julian C. Dunn wrote:
>>
>>> I have upgraded both a NFS client and NFS server to F13 from F12.
>>>
>>> Now, on the client, all the files in my NFS home directory appear to be
>>> owned by nobody:nobody. It's as though they were being mysteriously
>>> root_squashed even though they're not owned by root.
>>
>> This could be as a result of the switch from NFSv3 to NFSv4 by default. I 
>> have seen this problem as well though I haven't had time to investigate if 
>> this is the trigger.
> 
> Are you getting a lot of error messages like
> rpc.idmapd[pid]: nss_getpwnam: name 'u...@nisdomain' does not map into 
> domain 'dnsdomain'
> in /var/log/messages? In my case it looks like rpc.idmapd can't cope 
> with nisdomain and dnsdomain being different and I haven't successfully 
> found a way to get this to work.

Yes, I have many of those as well -- although I am not using NIS so I
don't know if it's relevant.

Also, I was running NFSv4 under F12 as well.

- Julian

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Re: F13 Can't start sshd with Selinux enforcing mode

2010-06-04 Thread Clodoaldo Neto
2010/6/4 Michael Cronenworth :
> Clodoaldo Neto wrote:
>> How to fix?
>
> # touch /.autorelabel
> # reboot
>
> See if things change.

It worked, thanks.

Clodoaldo

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Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

2010-06-04 Thread Máirín Duffy
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 17:11 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> If there are egregious examples of people getting out of hand, one way
> to handle it without escalting to the full list is to mail the list
> admins directly, users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org in this case.  If
> warranted, any list admin can place a member on moderation or warn
> them that if they don't act more respectfully they will be moderated.

I would have liked to see that happen. It didn't appear to happen at
all.

~m

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Re: F13 Can't start sshd with Selinux enforcing mode

2010-06-04 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Clodoaldo Neto wrote:
> How to fix?

# touch /.autorelabel
# reboot

See if things change.
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Re: help with upgrading fed 12>13 and boot size/ lvm

2010-06-04 Thread Michael Cronenworth
dale kain wrote:
> has boot size problem in upgrade 12 > 13? been  solved for lvm?
>

The default /boot size has been increased in F13 to 500MB. This only 
happens if you are fresh installing.

Preupgrade will download the stage2 image if there is not enough room in 
/boot if you are currently on F12. I've upgrade several F12 systems with 
preupgrade-1.1.7 with no major issues.

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F13 Can't start sshd with Selinux enforcing mode

2010-06-04 Thread Clodoaldo Neto
# uname -a
Linux d3.dkt 2.6.33.5-112.fc13.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu May 27 02:28:31 UTC
2010 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

# service sshd start
Starting sshd: /usr/sbin/sshd: error while loading shared libraries:
libfipscheck.so.1: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied
   [FAILED]

If I change to Permissive then it starts.

Going to SELinux Adminstration -> Process Domain -> sshd and clicking
on Permissive gives this message:

/sbin/load_policy: error while loading shared libraries:
libsepol.so.1: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied
libsemanage.semanage_reload_policy: load_policy returned error code 127.
/sbin/load_policy: error while loading shared libraries:
libsepol.so.1: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied
libsemanage.semanage_reload_policy: load_policy returned error code 127.
/usr/sbin/semanage: Could not commit semanage transaction

How to fix?

Regards, Clodoaldo Pinto Neto
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Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

2010-06-04 Thread Todd Zullinger
dexter wrote:
> 2010/6/4 Máirín Duffy :
>> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700, Craig White wrote:
>>> George - I think that you are very offensive towards people who
>>> volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why Fedora
>>> contributors don't actually want to participate on the user lists
>>> and get abused by unappreciative, sarcastic and combative users.
>>
>> How do we fix this?
>>
>> - moderation?
>> - a code of conduct?
>> - ?
>
> I remember list police being assigned when the list name last
> changed they seem to be mia.

There are a number of active list admins here, myself included.  And
while in Mailman parlance, we all tend to the moderation queue, that
does not mean the same thing as moderation of posts in the context you
quote from Máirín.

Other lists, like the devel list do have some light moderation applied
at times, by marking certain threads as closed and preventing news
posts from being sent to the list in that thread.  That's certainly
possibly to do here as well, but it's sure to annoy at least as many
people as it makes happy.

>> I've found some of the behavior of a few on this list to be quite
>> embarrassing. To me, it seems an alien island in the middle of the
>> Fedora community that I know to be a genuinely warm, friendly, and
>> welcoming place.
>
> As you say its a few folk, nothing a moderator with authority cant
> handle, failing that you quote yourself an example of the list
> policing itself.

In the many years I have been on mailing lists, only a few that were
heavily moderated were well used and productive, IMO.  Most of the
good lists I have been subscribed to were that way because the members
of the list did a good job of staying on topic and leading by example.
I would love to see more of the latter here.  One example is to simply
not fuel the flames of long threads of doom. (He says, violating the
sentence as he types it...)

If there are egregious examples of people getting out of hand, one way
to handle it without escalting to the full list is to mail the list
admins directly, users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org in this case.  If
warranted, any list admin can place a member on moderation or warn
them that if they don't act more respectfully they will be moderated.

That's just my opinion though.  I could be wrong.

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help with upgrading fed 12>13 and boot size/ lvm

2010-06-04 Thread dale kain
 has boot size problem in upgrade 12 > 13? been  solved for lvm?
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[389-users] Referral not working...

2010-06-04 Thread Reinhard Nappert
Hi,

I configured a master slave setup where the userRoot db has an referral to the 
master configured. See dse.lif entry:

dn: cn="o=BASE",cn=mapping tree,cn=config
objectClass: top
objectClass: extensibleObject
objectClass: nsMappingTree
cn: "o=BASE"
nsslapd-state: referral on update
nsslapd-backend: userRoot
modifiersName: cn=server,cn=plugins,cn=config
modifyTimestamp: 20100604203934Z
nsslapd-referral: ldap://master:389/o=UMC
numSubordinates: 1
So, when I access the slave and try to add an object, I get the following error:

javax.naming.NamingException: [LDAP: error code 1 - Mapping tree node for 
o=base is set to return a referral, but no referral is configured for it].

This is weird, because you clearly see that the referral is configured.

The access file says:

[04/Jun/2010:16:40:18 -0400] conn=16 op=3 ADD dn="ou=test,o=base"
[04/Jun/2010:16:40:18 -0400] conn=16 op=3 RESULT err=10 tag=105 nentries=0 
etime=0

This is standard ldap stuff and I know that it worked before.

Any idea?

Thanks,

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Setting gnome-terminal size

2010-06-04 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
How can I get gnome-terminal to always start with size 90x30?  It's easy
enough to make this happen when it's started from an icon, etc. just
invoke it with something like "gnome-terminal --geometry=90x30".  But
when I create a second terminal using:
Rt-click (anywhere in the terminal)->Open Terminal
the terminal created is always 80x24.  Kterm provides such an option,
but isn't fully compatible with the gnome desktop.  Is gnome-terminal
missing an option like this, or have I missed something?

Thanks - jon


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F13 - goodnewws and bad news

2010-06-04 Thread Aaron Konstam
Well on my  desktop the installation of F13 from  a DVD went better than
I have ever seen a previous installation go.

As I said before there is a place where you can decide installation or
upgrade. Someone  denied that earlier this week and they are wrong.

However,  there were two  annoying problems.
1. Even with their directions I could not make the rpmfusion  repos
install during the Fedora install.

2. For more than 15 years I have found that the GUI partition installer
hard to use and in F13 it is even more impossible to use. This is
mainly  because the various options are hard to distinguish from one
another. I know someone will say it was easy fo them but I challenge
them in the basic configuration to remove the separation of root from
home.


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Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

2010-06-04 Thread Máirín Duffy
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 13:15 -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> 2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy :
> > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> >> Not all of the feedback from this list was unconstructive. Not all of
> >> the responses were abusive or confrontational. But after reviewing the
> >> thread in question, I have to say that *many* of your responses were
> >> confrontational and many were, frankly, condescending. It didn't seem
> >> to matter whether the person you were replying to was trying to be
> >> constructive or snarky; your responses seemed designed to pour more
> >> fuel on the fire almost every time.
> >
> > This is an unfair personal attack, and is not constructive especially
> > given the topic of the thread. Please let's talk about making things
> > better, and stop pointing fingers and making accusations.
> >
> 
> I have to agree with Alan here.  Speaking of the intelligence of
> people who use torrents should also know they have to google for it
> does not speak well for you at all.

Again you continue to make this personal. Perhaps my position on the
ubiquity of torrents and how visible they should be on the website
differs from yours, but it is certainly unfair to make such loud and
negative judgements about me personally in response to my views. 

> Also pointing out the actions of a person is not a personal attack.

Unfair judgments on the actions of a person are an attack, especially
when made in response to a plea to stop making the discussion personal.

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Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

2010-06-04 Thread Mike Fedyk
2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy :
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
>> Not all of the feedback from this list was unconstructive. Not all of
>> the responses were abusive or confrontational. But after reviewing the
>> thread in question, I have to say that *many* of your responses were
>> confrontational and many were, frankly, condescending. It didn't seem
>> to matter whether the person you were replying to was trying to be
>> constructive or snarky; your responses seemed designed to pour more
>> fuel on the fire almost every time.
>
> This is an unfair personal attack, and is not constructive especially
> given the topic of the thread. Please let's talk about making things
> better, and stop pointing fingers and making accusations.
>

I have to agree with Alan here.  Speaking of the intelligence of
people who use torrents should also know they have to google for it
does not speak well for you at all.

Also pointing out the actions of a person is not a personal attack.
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Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

2010-06-04 Thread Steve
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 19:28:20 +0100, Jerry Feldman  wrote:

> On 06/03/2010 11:11 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>> How do we fix this?
>> - moderation?
>> - a code of conduct?
>> - ?
>>
>> I've found some of the behavior of a few on this list to be quite
>> embarrassing. To me, it seems an alien island in the middle of the
>> Fedora community that I know to be a genuinely warm, friendly, and
>> welcoming place.
>>
>> Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They are directed
>> towards this list right now via a number of different pointers. My team
>> is planning to redesign the Fedora website for Fedora 14, and I'm not
>> sure we can in good conscience continue to point new users to this list
>> [1].
>>
>> Does anyone have any ideas on how to improve this situation? We've had a
>> small few but notable trolls in the past 6 years on the Fedora
>> art/design lists, and the one solution that seemed to work best was
>> placing badly-behaving folks on moderation for a few weeks. I don't know
>> if that would be the appropriate solution here, though. For example, do
>> we have anyone willing to take on the responsibility of moderating?
>>
> I think that we should welcome new users, and at the same time, rather
> than chastising them because they top post or hijack threads, send them
> an email offline politely mentioning their break of protocol. Maybe we
> should email them a small subset of the FAQs. We want people to join the
> Fedora community not be driven from it. We should always remember my
> 80-20 rule that 20% of everyone is a jerk. There are going to be jerks
> on every list, and there are going to be good citizens who occasionally
> behave as a jerk. The bottom line is that many come to this list for
> help, and we have a great community of people who are able to give good
> technical help.
>
One problem with the off-list email, who sends it?  This was tried on a  
list I was on years ago and resulted in everybody sending an email to the  
miscreant.  I think just politely pointing out the misdeed and then  
answering the query is the best way.

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Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228

2010-06-04 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:27 PM, g  wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> 
>
>> George - I think that you are very offensive towards people who
>> volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why Fedora contributors
>> don't actually want to participate on the user lists and get abused by
>> unappreciative, sarcastic and combative users.
>
> craig,
>
> for someone who tends to make offensive remarks, no association to above,
> i accept your judgment of what may appear, in your opinion, as meant to
> be offensive.
>
> but do know this, neither my intent, nor desire, was meant to be offending.
>
> i do appreciate what fedora contributors do, both programmers and designers
> of web pages. just as i appreciate contributors to this list.
>
> i even complimented mairin on her abilities. her reply contained no
> recognition of such, only irateness to my using 'ladies home journal'
> strictly as a reference to where i felt her design would better fit.
>
> if, in your opinion, what i wrote is 'unappreciative, sarcastic and combative'
> towards any of contributers, then so be it, your opinion.
>
> in other thread, i asked same question, where was notice of changing of web
> page http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora, as i did in this thread.
>
> thru all of this, an answer to my question was evaded with only replies of
> pages that had nothing to do with my question.
>
>
> now, if you wish to bat this back and forth, go ahead.
>
> but do be aware that my intent was not as you seem to be in thinking.
>

I think the fact that you do not put your full name in the from line
in your posts shows at the very least you subconsciously do not want
your words attributed back to you.

Your posts are offensive, and your compliments are not sincere which
negates any positive they may have otherwise had.
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Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

2010-06-04 Thread Kwan Lowe
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
[snip]
> It's always tempting to propose radical solutions when some unusual
> event occurs (see most responses to terrorist incidents for a real-world
> parallel).

I have to agree with this. Having used mailing lists, forums, Usenet,
BBSs and other discussion tools for over two decades, I've seen
exactly this. I've seen arguments start because one person's humor is
lost on another. There was virtual dust up once when someone's random
fortune cookie signature offended someone else who thought it was
directed at him. Not much can be done about it.. Maybe we can get
everyone together a room and duke it out or drink beer one day :)..

[snip]

> My advice is to leave well alone. What I would do however is make some
> key aspects of the Guidelines a little more upfront when people
> subscribe. I don't mean simply a pointer to the complete Guidelines, but
> a *brief* list of the top points directly summarized in the confirmation
> message.

I know that's been tried on other lists... Not sure how many people
read the subscribe confirmations though.. I think that lots of
behaviour will just have to be tolerated..

In other places (paid support mostly), there's a standard checklist
and FAQ. Often, users are sent to the FAQ or knowledge base even when
the problem is not addressed there, but by always talking about the
FAQ and knowledge base, it gains credence and does get better. I find
it hilarious when responses get the "lmgtfy" link though :)

The difference, IMHO, is that such a system works for paid support. On
this list, we sort of expect at least a cursory attempt to solve
problems before resorting to posting on the list. Many people don't do
this and see the list as their personal IT help line. That does cause
resentment that sometimes boils over into the comments. Add the fact
that some folks are more thin-skinned than they should be on a global
forum, and it's a wonder that stuff like this doesn't happen more
often. :/
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Re: Setting default pdf reader Fedora13

2010-06-04 Thread David A. Paredes Rios
Thanks, im going to try your suggestions, i also found a command
"alternatives" to do changes into the console...
Thanks.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:

> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 23:22 -0500, David A. Paredes Rios wrote:
> > Hello Friends.
> > I have a probably little dumb question, before fedora i used debian
> > and ubuntu, now, in fedora i have installed acrobat reader and
> > evince(default) but my default now is adobe reader, i want evince as
> > my default pdf reader, how can i set evince as default in command
> > line? because with right click, and set as default using gnome, doesnt
> > work for me... in the other distro a used update-alternatives script,
> > in fedora what can i do?
> >
> >
> > Thanks guys.
> You say you want to change the default  in the command line. I assume
> you mean in nautilus.
> This is how:
> 1. Right click on pdf-file icon 2.Go to properties and then choose Open
> with
> 3. Then choose your default  application
>
> After closing the properties  display you will see the default has been
> changed.
>
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Re: NFS Issue

2010-06-04 Thread Phil Meyer
On 06/04/2010 10:46 AM, Pittigher, Raymond - ES wrote:
> Started to see these messages in the log files. The slab cache uses all the 
> memory then OOM. Memory leak?
>
> May 27 19:48:06 suoserv4 kernel: INFO: task nfsd:4562 blocked for more than 
> 120 seconds.
> May 27 19:48:06 suoserv4 kernel: "echo 0>  
> /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disable
>

This is the heart of the message.  It took nfsd more than 120 real 
seconds to write to disk.  This is a bad thing, generally.

It indicates huge wait on i/o issues, not necessarily memory issues.  
Although if swap and the NFS share are on the same disk and or 
controller, it could happen to be related.

I would focus on resolving the disk i/o issue here.

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Re: [389-users] Typo in 389-console source?

2010-06-04 Thread Ryan Braun [ADS]
On June 4, 2010 05:43:35 pm Rich Megginson wrote:
> Ryan Braun [ADS] wrote:
> > I'm just running my build scripts against the recently release updates, 
> > and think I caught a minor bug.
> >
> > in build.properties
> > console.dotversion=1.1.4
> >
> > where it should be
> >
> > console.dotversion=1.1.6
> >
> > It builds fine,  just the end jar filename is versioned 1.1.4
>
> Did you get this source from cvs/git?  If so, which repo? or from a
> tarball?  if so, which one?
>

Tarball from http://directory.fedoraproject.org/sources

http://directory.fedoraproject.org/sources/389-console-1.1.6.tar.bz2


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Re: How To use a HP iPAQ serie hx2700 Pocket PC

2010-06-04 Thread Jim
On 06/04/2010 01:10 PM, Dario Lesca wrote:
> Il giorno ven, 04/06/2010 alle 11.36 -0400, Jim ha scritto:
>
>> On 06/04/2010 07:14 AM, Dario Lesca wrote:
>>  
>>> Someone can tell me if is possible to use this device?
>>> What software I must install? (i use gnome) ...
>>>
>>> Thanks for help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Try http://handhelds.org  , I have a old Ipaq 3670 I put Linux on.
>>  
> Thank Jim, but unfortunately I have not explained well.
>
> I'm looking for software for sync the iPAQ with my fedora12 and Gnome.
>
> What kind of software I must install on Fedora12 for browse the files on
> iPAQ?
> It's possible?
>
> Many Thanks.
>
>
>
I don't think anyone has software to do that.
I usedSSH to send files back and forth between Ipaq and PC.
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Re: Networking doesn't start on boot

2010-06-04 Thread Mauriat Miranda
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Alex  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've just installed FC13 and have all updates installed. Networking
> doesn't automatically start, and I have to right-click on the little
> network icon in the upper-right and select "Enable" in order for it to
> bring up networking.
>
> In System->Administration->Network Device Control there are no
> networks or interfaces listed. In System->Administration->Network both
> interfaces are listed. One is shown as Active, presumably because I've
> "Enabled" it by right-clicking on the icon and selecting Enable.
>
> "Controlled by NetworkManager" and "Activate Devices when computer
> starts" are both enabled.
>
> How can I troubleshoot this?

Is this wireless or wired connection?

In the case of wired, if you look in:
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0

Do you see the following line: ?
ONBOOT=yes


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Re: Desktop doesn't wake up from suspend

2010-06-04 Thread Mauriat Miranda
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Alex  wrote:

>
> Where is the definitive information on power management and fedora?
>

Unfortunately no such thing exists as specific to Fedora.  Most
power-management issues are very hardware specific and it is nearly
impossible for any Linux to provide a perfect solution that works for
everyone.

That being said, a great deal of PM related functions come from the
pm-utils package.  Information here:
http://pm-utils.freedesktop.org/wiki/
There are some links on the top of that page which you can try, but I
doubt it will provide info specific to your hardware.

Running the following should display more relevant information about
your config:
pm-utils-bugreport-info.sh

To help you diagnose the problem you would be better off looking at your logs:
/var/log/pm-suspend.log
/var/log/messages

In the case of '/var/log/messages', look at the time stamps to see
what actually occurred exactly during the suspend action.

To see if your problem is the X-server (often video is the biggest
issue in suspend/resume) try disabling the x-server and testing
suspend:
(switch to a text-console CTRL-ALT-F2)
run as root:
# init 3
# pm-suspend

Please read the man page for some help:
# man pm-action


For your monitor issue look in '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' to see if it
reveals anything.

I hope this helps.

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Sound server gone - Solved

2010-06-04 Thread Mike McCarty
Well, I had a motherboard toast the built in video interface,
though the machine otherwise seemed to work ok. I pulled out
the discs, and stuck them into a spare box I had lying around,
and pulled the other interesting peripherals, like the CD-ROM
and DVD-ROM drives, etc, and rebooted. After some chit chat with
kudzu, the machine came up, and everything worked. Except the
built in sound peripheral on the motherboard. Now, this is odd
because it's just an ordinary '97 style chip.

After some significant period trying to get this to work, I
tried the GNOME SystemSettings->Soundcard Detection and
that found and made it work. That's very odd, since the
hardware was previously detected, and showed up in the
BrowseHardware.

Anyway, after fiddling for months, a simple click has made
my sound, like the cat, come back.

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Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

2010-06-04 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 06/03/2010 11:11 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> How do we fix this?
> - moderation?
> - a code of conduct?
> - ?
>
> I've found some of the behavior of a few on this list to be quite
> embarrassing. To me, it seems an alien island in the middle of the
> Fedora community that I know to be a genuinely warm, friendly, and
> welcoming place.
>
> Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They are directed
> towards this list right now via a number of different pointers. My team
> is planning to redesign the Fedora website for Fedora 14, and I'm not
> sure we can in good conscience continue to point new users to this list
> [1].
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on how to improve this situation? We've had a
> small few but notable trolls in the past 6 years on the Fedora
> art/design lists, and the one solution that seemed to work best was
> placing badly-behaving folks on moderation for a few weeks. I don't know
> if that would be the appropriate solution here, though. For example, do
> we have anyone willing to take on the responsibility of moderating?
>
I think that we should welcome new users, and at the same time, rather 
than chastising them because they top post or hijack threads, send them 
an email offline politely mentioning their break of protocol. Maybe we 
should email them a small subset of the FAQs. We want people to join the 
Fedora community not be driven from it. We should always remember my 
80-20 rule that 20% of everyone is a jerk. There are going to be jerks 
on every list, and there are going to be good citizens who occasionally 
behave as a jerk. The bottom line is that many come to this list for 
help, and we have a great community of people who are able to give good 
technical help.

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Re: Resizing virtual display on virtual machine

2010-06-04 Thread Christoph A.
On 06/04/2010 07:43 PM, Dale J. Chatham wrote:
> Using virtual machine manager
> fedora core 13 vm
>
>
> How do I change the display resolution in the virtual machine?  1024x768
> seems to be all I can get.
>
> I've scoured every way I can think of, Fedora docs, VMM docs, KVM, etc.
>
> TIA,
>
> Dale

Hi,

I was also looking for an answer to this question yesterday and got a hint:

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-June/374160.html

1) set the video model to vga
2) within the VM: 'yum install system-config-display'
-> use it to set a new display with beter resolution

I did that and got a higher resolution but unfortunately with a poor 
performance.
Let me know if it worked for you.

Christoph

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Re: Resizing virtual display on virtual machine

2010-06-04 Thread Joe Conway
On 06/04/2010 10:43 AM, Dale J. Chatham wrote:
> Using virtual machine manager
> fedora core 13 vm
> 
> 
> How do I change the display resolution in the virtual machine?  1024x768 
> seems to be all I can get.
> 
> I've scoured every way I can think of, Fedora docs, VMM docs, KVM, etc.

Switch the video device from the default ("cirrus" I think) to "vga". I
have, for example, a Fedora 12 vm set to 1280 x 800 with this setting.

HTH,

Joe




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Resizing virtual display on virtual machine

2010-06-04 Thread Dale J. Chatham
Using virtual machine manager
fedora core 13 vm


How do I change the display resolution in the virtual machine?  1024x768 
seems to be all I can get.

I've scoured every way I can think of, Fedora docs, VMM docs, KVM, etc.

TIA,

   Dale


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Re: How To use a HP iPAQ serie hx2700 Pocket PC

2010-06-04 Thread Dario Lesca
Il giorno ven, 04/06/2010 alle 11.36 -0400, Jim ha scritto:
> On 06/04/2010 07:14 AM, Dario Lesca wrote:
> > Someone can tell me if is possible to use this device?
> > What software I must install? (i use gnome) ...
> >
> > Thanks for help.
> >
> >
> Try http://handhelds.org  , I have a old Ipaq 3670 I put Linux on.

Thank Jim, but unfortunately I have not explained well.

I'm looking for software for sync the iPAQ with my fedora12 and Gnome.

What kind of software I must install on Fedora12 for browse the files on
iPAQ?
It's possible?

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Re: USB to parallel port printer adapter does not work anymore. (F13)

2010-06-04 Thread Mick M.

> 
> Since you say "any help," if you cannot overcome this
> problem, or wish to avoid similar problems in the future, I reckon that
> parallel to network adaptors, rather than parallel to USB, are far more
> useful.
> 

Thanks for the reply.
I ended up donating the printer (and 4 new cartridges).
Then bought a printer on eBay.
The adapters are almost as expensive as a printer.

I have a print server with USB already.

It just seems strange that the hardware support just vanished for the adapter 
cables,(eBay still has lots of them for sale.)

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[no subject]

2010-06-04 Thread Pittigher, Raymond - ES
Started to see these messages in the log files. The slab cache uses all the 
memory then OOM. Memory leak?

May 27 19:48:06 suoserv4 kernel: INFO: task nfsd:4562 blocked for more than 120 
seconds.
May 27 19:48:06 suoserv4 kernel: "echo 0 > 
/proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disable
s this message.
May 27 19:48:06 suoserv4 kernel: nfsd  D 81000103f1a0 0  4562   
   1
   4563  4561 (L-TLB)
May 27 19:48:06 suoserv4 kernel:  810c0d43bac0 0046 
810c0d43ba10 00
00
May 27 19:48:06 suoserv4 kernel:  810c0d43ba58 000a 
810c0e3a67a0 81
0c2fce5100
May 27 19:48:06 suoserv4 kernel:  142538fcf800 863d 
810c0e3a6988 00
07885df478
May 27 19:48:06 suoserv4 kernel: Call Trace:
May 27 19:48:06 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
:linuxshield:doScan+0x8e7/0xcff
May 27 19:48:06 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x2e
May 27 19:48:06 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
:linuxshield:cacheLookup+0x96/0x152
May 27 19:48:06 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
:linuxshield:SC_doScan+0x108/0x115
May 27 19:48:06 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
:linuxshield:openHook+0x138/0x1b7
May 27 19:48:06 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
:lshook:invokeCallbacks+0x32a/0x4f7
May 27 19:48:08 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
__wake_up_common+0x3e/0x68
May 27 19:48:08 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
:ext4:ext4_file_open+0xe4/0xf3
May 27 19:48:08 suoserv4 kernel:  [] __down_read+0x12/0x92
May 27 19:48:08 suoserv4 kernel:  [] __up_read+0x19/0x7f
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
:ext4:ext4_file_open+0x0/0xf3
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
:ext4:ext4_release_file+0x0/0x9f
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
:lshook:fileOpenHook+0x20b/0x28a
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
:lshook:fileOpenHook+0x0/0x28a
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] __dentry_open+0xd9/0x1dc
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
:nfsd:nfsd_open+0x145/0x184
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] :nfsd:nfsd_read+0x78/0xba
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
:nfsd:nfsd3_proc_read+0xf3/0x136
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
:nfsd:nfsd_dispatch+0xd8/0x1d6
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] 
:sunrpc:svc_process+0x454/0x71b
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] __down_read+0x12/0x92
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] :nfsd:nfsd+0x0/0x2cb
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] :nfsd:nfsd+0x1a5/0x2cb
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] child_rip+0xa/0x11
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] :nfsd:nfsd+0x0/0x2cb
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] :nfsd:nfsd+0x0/0x2cb
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:  [] child_rip+0x0/0x11
May 27 19:48:09 suoserv4 kernel:


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Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

2010-06-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:02 +0100, Michal wrote:
> > My advice is to leave well alone. What I would do however is make some
> > key aspects of the Guidelines a little more upfront when people
> > subscribe. I don't mean simply a pointer to the complete Guidelines, but
> > a *brief* list of the top points directly summarized in the confirmation
> > message.
> > 
> > poc
> > 
> 
> Anyone who says "How do I install Firefox 64 Bit" Shouldn't not be
> replied to. Anyone that does I reply off-list saying search it before
> asking etc etc" but it does get tiring. On the BSD list if you ask such
> stupid questions your often given either no response or a harsh one

I knew there was a reason I don't use BSD :-) Seriously, there's no
shame in asking if you don't know, and replying off-list means that
no-one else gets to see the answer. Maybe the newbie who asked the dumb
question will start to learn and eventually answer questions himself.

What I find more annoying is questions like "why can't I watch video?"
that give no information about what kind of video, or what version of
Fedora, or what viewing app, or what happens when the video is played,
or in fact anything at all that might help someone give a useful answer.

Asking the right questions is an art, and asking questions right is
another art.

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Re: Desktop doesn't wake up from suspend

2010-06-04 Thread Alex
Hi,

>> I'm using FC13 x86_64 with all updates on an MSI MS-7025 motherboard
>> with a "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+". I've configured power
>> management in the BIOS to put the system to sleep in ten minutes, and
>> left it disabled in fedora. It goes to sleep but doesn't wake up.

[...]

> On my Thinkpad T60 laptop with an Radeon graphics card (I forget
> which) running Fedora 11, I can only get a successful wake-up from
> sleep if I add
>
> nomodeset

That didn't make any difference. Anyone have any other ideas?

Where is the definitive information on power management and fedora?

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228

2010-06-04 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:18 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Craig White  wrote:
> > like Gene you have assumed that Máirín is a woman and I
> > can't imagine any greater testimony to your arrogance and insensitivity
> > of others but keep trying.
> 
> Not that I think that sex has any substantive relevance at all here,
> but I'm pretty sure that Máirín is, in fact, a woman:
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MairinDuffy
> 
> I don't think that making this assumption is in any way arrogant or
> insensitive, however irrelevant it is.

oh yes it is - there are never assertions about gender if one thinks it
is a man but the whole infusion of gender into the discussion was
intentionally condescending, dismissive and arrogant. Then to drive home
his sexist point, he asserted that her design was better suited to
'Ladies Home Journal' and one would have to be entirely blind to miss
the use of gender as a means to belittle.

Now I recognize that both George and Gene are over 60 year old American
males who cannot transcend their frame of references but they really
should know better by now.

Craig


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Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

2010-06-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/04/2010 09:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
> My advice is to leave well alone. What I would do however is make some
> key aspects of the Guidelines a little more upfront when people
> subscribe. I don't mean simply a pointer to the complete Guidelines, but
> a *brief* list of the top points directly summarized in the confirmation
> message.
>
>   
I concur with your observations.  (I may have overly trimmed...but it is
midnight here...and it is Fridayoops Saturday.)

As I believe you have pointed out, some people prefer mailing lists over
blogs and forums.  Those that do prefer mailing lists generally do know,
understand, and accept the warts inherent in mailing lists.   As such, I
agree with you that things should be left as is and no radical response
or solution is necessary in the attempt to eliminate/avoid the "unusual
event".

FWIW, I believe we have returned to our regularly scheduled
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Re: twin display f12

2010-06-04 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:16:15 PM, Siddhesh wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:01 AM, pankaj singh  wrote:
>> twin display on fedora 12
>>
>> Hello friend I have HP pavilion dv4 laptop and fedora 12 is installed on
>> that. I would like to display the laptop screen on other monitor. I do not
>> have NVIDIA graphics card.
>> Can anybody help me setting the laptop display on the external monitor.

> In most cases it is just the matter of plugging in the other monitor
> and starting the gnome-display-properties program (System >
Preferences >> Monitors or Screens) and "turning on" the other monitor
> through it. Be sure that the physical monitor is turned on too.
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Siddhesh,

That  works  very  well  once logged on, but how do you convice gdm to
mirror the two screens before logon?

Al

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Re: Network crash in F13

2010-06-04 Thread Clodoaldo Neto
2010/5/31 Clodoaldo Neto :
> 2010/5/30 Clodoaldo Neto :
>> Whenever a heavy nfs4 file copy or internet file download is done
>> connectivity is lost and restarting NetworkManager does not fix it.
>> Only a reboot fixes it.
>>
>> [ cut here ]
>> WARNING: at net/sched/sch_generic.c:255 dev_watchdog+0xf0/0x192()
>> Hardware name: A780GM-A
>> NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 (r8169): transmit queue 0 timed out
>> Modules linked in: nfs lockd fscache nfs_acl auth_rpcgss nls_utf8 fuse
>> vboxnetadp vboxnetflt vboxdrv sunrpc cpufreq_ondemand powernow_k8
>> freq_table ip6t_REJECT nf_conntrack_ipv6 ip6table_filter ip6_tables
>> ipv6 uinput snd_hda_codec_idt snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep
>> snd_seq snd_seq_device snd_pcm joydev nvidia(P) snd_timer i2c_piix4
>> snd soundcore i2c_core serio_raw edac_core r8169 mii k10temp
>> snd_page_alloc edac_mce_amd microcode raid1 ata_generic pata_acpi
>> usb_storage pata_atiixp [last unloaded: scsi_wait_scan]
>> Pid: 0, comm: swapper Tainted: P           2.6.33.4-95.fc13.x86_64 #1
>> Call Trace:
>>   [] warn_slowpath_common+0x77/0x8f
>> [] warn_slowpath_fmt+0x3c/0x3e
>> [] ? netif_tx_lock+0x3f/0x68
>> [] dev_watchdog+0xf0/0x192
>> [] ? sched_clock_local+0x1c/0x82
>> [] ? __queue_work+0x35/0x3c
>> [] run_timer_softirq+0x1ba/0x25e
>> [] ? ktime_get+0x60/0xb9
>> [] __do_softirq+0xe0/0x1a1
>> [] ? tick_program_event+0x25/0x27
>> [] call_softirq+0x1c/0x30
>> [] do_softirq+0x41/0x7e
>> [] irq_exit+0x36/0x78
>> [] smp_apic_timer_interrupt+0x89/0x97
>> [] apic_timer_interrupt+0x13/0x20
>>   [] ? native_safe_halt+0x6/0x8
>> [] default_idle+0x31/0x4e
>> [] cpu_idle+0xa5/0xdf
>> [] start_secondary+0x1f2/0x233
>>
>> This same hardware was working with Fedora 10
>>
>> Regards, Clodoaldo Pinto Neto
>>
>
> Still crashing with the new kernel:
>
> [ cut here ]
> WARNING: at net/sched/sch_generic.c:255 dev_watchdog+0xf0/0x192()
> Hardware name: A780GM-A
> NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 (r8169): transmit queue 0 timed out
> Modules linked in: nfs lockd fscache nfs_acl auth_rpcgss nls_utf8 fuse
> vboxnetadp vboxnetflt vboxdrv sunrpc cpufreq_ondemand powernow_k8
> freq_table ip6t_REJECT nf_conntrack_ipv6 ip6table_filter ip6_tables
> ipv6 uinput snd_hda_codec_idt snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep
> snd_seq nvidia(P) snd_seq_device snd_pcm snd_timer r8169 mii i2c_piix4
> i2c_core joydev edac_core edac_mce_amd k10temp snd serio_raw microcode
> soundcore snd_page_alloc raid1 ata_generic pata_acpi usb_storage
> pata_atiixp [last unloaded: scsi_wait_scan]
> Pid: 0, comm: swapper Tainted: P           2.6.33.5-112.fc13.x86_64 #1
> Call Trace:
>   [] warn_slowpath_common+0x77/0x8f
> [] warn_slowpath_fmt+0x3c/0x3e
> [] ? netif_tx_lock+0x3f/0x68
> [] dev_watchdog+0xf0/0x192
> [] ? sched_clock_local+0x1c/0x82
> [] ? __queue_work+0x35/0x3c
> [] run_timer_softirq+0x1ba/0x25e
> [] ? ktime_get+0x60/0xb9
> [] __do_softirq+0xe0/0x1a1
> [] ? tick_program_event+0x25/0x27
> [] call_softirq+0x1c/0x30
> [] do_softirq+0x41/0x7e
> [] irq_exit+0x36/0x78
> [] smp_apic_timer_interrupt+0x89/0x97
> [] apic_timer_interrupt+0x13/0x20
>   [] ? native_safe_halt+0x6/0x8
> [] default_idle+0x31/0x4e
> [] cpu_idle+0xa5/0xdf
> [] start_secondary+0x1f2/0x233
>

I installed a PCI network card and I'm using it as eth1 and didn't
have a crash for days now. So it is either a hardware or a driver
issue.

Clodoaldo

> Clodoaldo
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Networking doesn't start on boot

2010-06-04 Thread Alex
Hi,

I've just installed FC13 and have all updates installed. Networking
doesn't automatically start, and I have to right-click on the little
network icon in the upper-right and select "Enable" in order for it to
bring up networking.

In System->Administration->Network Device Control there are no
networks or interfaces listed. In System->Administration->Network both
interfaces are listed. One is shown as Active, presumably because I've
"Enabled" it by right-clicking on the icon and selecting Enable.

"Controlled by NetworkManager" and "Activate Devices when computer
starts" are both enabled.

How can I troubleshoot this?

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: How To use a HP iPAQ serie hx2700 Pocket PC

2010-06-04 Thread Jim
On 06/04/2010 07:14 AM, Dario Lesca wrote:
> Someone can tell me if is possible to use this device?
> What software I must install? (i use gnome) ...
>
> Thanks for help.
>
>
Try http://handhelds.org  , I have a old Ipaq 3670 I put Linux on.
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Re: Failed attempt installing AdobeReader_enu.i486 (WORKAROUND)

2010-06-04 Thread Jim
On 06/04/2010 05:40 AM, Steven P. Ulrick wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> When I attempt to do this:
>> yum install AdobeReader_enu.i486
>>
>> this is the result:
>>package nss-softokn-freebl-3.12.4-19.fc13.x86_64 (which is newer than nss-
>> softokn-freebl-3.12.4-17.fc13.i686) is already installed
>>
>> Does anyone know why the x86_64&  i686 versions of nss-softokn-freebl are 
>> ever
>> so slightly different?
>>
>> With all this in mind, how does a guy go about installing 
>> AdobeReader_enu.i486
>> on a 64bit install of Fedora 13?
>>  
> Well, I came up with a temporary solution.  I downgraded nss-softokn-freebl.
>
> It's kind of interesting the downgrading nss-softokn-freebl only affected one
> package, but "yum remove nss-softokn-freebl" would remove 2041 packages...
>
> Anyway, I have a temporary workaround.
>
> Steven P. Ulrick
>
Well don't do what I did !

I did a rpm -e --nodeps nss-softokn-freebl and I was going to reinstall , BUT!! 
now I can't do a SU
to reinstall no matter which way I go, I tryed to restart and go in as SINGLE 
user to reinstall, that didn't work, now I can't get back into my Desktop.
I tryed the Fedora System Rescue disk and I still can't get back into SU.
I guess I will have to do a Clean Install.

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Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

2010-06-04 Thread Michal

> My advice is to leave well alone. What I would do however is make some
> key aspects of the Guidelines a little more upfront when people
> subscribe. I don't mean simply a pointer to the complete Guidelines, but
> a *brief* list of the top points directly summarized in the confirmation
> message.
> 
> poc
> 

Anyone who says "How do I install Firefox 64 Bit" Shouldn't not be
replied to. Anyone that does I reply off-list saying search it before
asking etc etc" but it does get tiring. On the BSD list if you ask such
stupid questions your often given either no response or a harsh one
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Re: Setting default pdf reader Fedora13

2010-06-04 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 23:22 -0500, David A. Paredes Rios wrote:
> Hello Friends.
> I have a probably little dumb question, before fedora i used debian
> and ubuntu, now, in fedora i have installed acrobat reader and
> evince(default) but my default now is adobe reader, i want evince as
> my default pdf reader, how can i set evince as default in command
> line? because with right click, and set as default using gnome, doesnt
> work for me... in the other distro a used update-alternatives script,
> in fedora what can i do?
> 
> 
> Thanks guys.
You say you want to change the default  in the command line. I assume
you mean in nautilus.
This is how:
1. Right click on pdf-file icon 2.Go to properties and then choose Open
with
3. Then choose your default  application

After closing the properties  display you will see the default has been
changed.

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Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

2010-06-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 06:26 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Lately I've been thinking a lot about how alternative interfaces to
> mailing lists might improve some of the problems inherent to them. I
> actually set up a blog gateway and a forum gateway to the Fedora
> design list. While it was primarily to solve a different problem (the
> largest pool of designers out there for us to recruit from aren't
> familiar with mailing lists at all), it might help here. If folks
> think it's a good idea I'd be happy to help having something similar
> set up for this list. 

Speaking as someone who's managed a number of large lists (in the
hundreds to thousands of members), I'm keenly attuned to the problems
that can arise when a small minority doesn't behave as they should.
However this is in the nature of large communities. Technical solutions
such as changing to a forum format are not going to cut it, not least
because many people are going to want to stick with the mailing list, so
you're going to end up with two interfaces, only one of which you can
control.

It's always tempting to propose radical solutions when some unusual
event occurs (see most responses to terrorist incidents for a real-world
parallel). My view is that the recent slug-fest over the Fedora webpage
design is not typical, and has mostly died down. It doesn't *need* a
radical response, and the same goes for the occasional spats that crop
up from time to time. Those directly involved may feel strongly, may
even feel personally wounded, but the majority of the list is on the
sidelines and presumably just want it all to go away so we can get back
to our regularly-scheduled programming. Fortunately the use of threads
helps a lot in ignoring the parts one doesn't care about, except for the
rare occasions where someone hijacks a thread (though this doesn't seem
to happen with the kind of thread we're talking about).

My advice is to leave well alone. What I would do however is make some
key aspects of the Guidelines a little more upfront when people
subscribe. I don't mean simply a pointer to the complete Guidelines, but
a *brief* list of the top points directly summarized in the confirmation
message.

poc

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gtk stock icons missing

2010-06-04 Thread N James Bridge
I don't know if this is a fedora problem or a gtk one...

I have been writing some short gtk programs, as a learning exercise. So
far as I can see, I should be able to add items from stock, but the
images are missing and all I get are the default items as mnemonics. I
have attached a short example. It compiles with:
gcc  stock.c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 --libs gtk+-2.0`

It seems that gtk can't find the directory with the images. The files
needed seem to be in /usr/share/icons/gnome and show up in the gtk-demo
program. However, Glade buttons selected from stock do not have the
icons either.

Any suggestions most welcome!
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#include 

static void destroy (GtkWidget *window, gpointer data);

int main (int argc, char *argv[])
{
   GtkWidget *window, *close;
   
   gtk_init (&argc, &argv);
   
   window = gtk_window_new (GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL);
   gtk_widget_set_size_request (window, 200,100);
   g_signal_connect (G_OBJECT (window), "destroy", G_CALLBACK (destroy), NULL);
   
/* This line should produce a buttone with a stock close image but it only
   produces the default (a mnemonic) */
   close = gtk_button_new_from_stock ("gtk_close");
   g_signal_connect (G_OBJECT (close), "clicked", G_CALLBACK (destroy), NULL);
   
   gtk_container_add (GTK_CONTAINER (window), close);
   gtk_widget_show_all (window);
   
   gtk_main ();
   return 0;
}

static void destroy (GtkWidget *window, gpointer data)
{
   gtk_main_quit ();
}

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How To use a HP iPAQ serie hx2700 Pocket PC

2010-06-04 Thread Dario Lesca
Someone can tell me if is possible to use this device?
What software I must install? (i use gnome) ...

Thanks for help.

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Re: strange NFS behaviour after upgrade to F13

2010-06-04 Thread M A Young
On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, M A Young wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Julian C. Dunn wrote:
>
>> I have upgraded both a NFS client and NFS server to F13 from F12.
>> 
>> Now, on the client, all the files in my NFS home directory appear to be
>> owned by nobody:nobody. It's as though they were being mysteriously
>> root_squashed even though they're not owned by root.
>
> This could be as a result of the switch from NFSv3 to NFSv4 by default. I 
> have seen this problem as well though I haven't had time to investigate if 
> this is the trigger.

Are you getting a lot of error messages like
rpc.idmapd[pid]: nss_getpwnam: name 'u...@nisdomain' does not map into 
domain 'dnsdomain'
in /var/log/messages? In my case it looks like rpc.idmapd can't cope 
with nisdomain and dnsdomain being different and I haven't successfully 
found a way to get this to work.

Michael Young
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Re: F13: kvm guest screen resolution

2010-06-04 Thread Christoph A.
On 06/03/2010 11:25 PM, Phil Meyer wrote:
> You can also 'trick' it by using the system-administration-display and
> setting the display type to generic LCD at whatever resolution is
> smaller that your actual display.

Thank you for the hint! I got higher resolution but with a performance 
that is not usable (I can watch how a new window gets drawn).
I'll have to use something else for my needs..

kind regards,
Christoph
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Re: F13: kvm guest screen resolution / kvm broken setup

2010-06-04 Thread Christoph A.
On 06/03/2010 11:29 PM, Christoph A. wrote:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/engine.py", line 799, in
> run_domain
> vm.startup()
> File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/domain.py", line 1256, in startup
> self._backend.create()
> File "/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/libvirt.py", line 317, in create
> if ret == -1: raise libvirtError ('virDomainCreate() failed', dom=self)
> libvirtError: internal error Process exited while reading console log
> output: char device redirected to /dev/pts/4
> Could not initialize SDL - exiting

This problem was introduced by enabling the vnc for that VM in the 
virtual machine manager and is reproducable.
I'll file a bugreport.

kind regards,
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Re: Network Speed issues on Fedora 12

2010-06-04 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 19:42 -0700, alan wrote:
> I have a couple of systems with gigabit ethernet cards. If I copy a large 
> quantity of data to the machine I notice the data throughput start to fall 
> off after about 4-5 gigs. It keeps getting slower and slower the more data 
> that flows through the interface.
> 
> This happens on x86_64 and i386. A similar Ubuntu system does not show the 
> problem.
> 
> If I run the Fedora 12 system under VMWare, I still see the problem. 
> Windows Server 2008 runs fine on the same VMWare server.
> 
> Any ideas here? This has been driving me mad and I have seen nothing 
> useful on this issue in my various Google searches.
> 
> Thanks!

You'll need to post far more information.

>From where to where do you transfer files?
host to host?
guest to host?
guest to guest?
Using which protocol? NFS? SMB? FTP? 

What type of hardware is being used on the hosts?
What type of hardware is being used on the guests?
What type of -software- is being used on the hosts?

etc, etc, etc.

- Gilboa

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Turning the touchpad off

2010-06-04 Thread Timothy Murphy
I have
/usr/bin/synclient TouchpadOff=1
in /etc/rc.d/rc.local .

Unfortunately this does not work,
presumably because it runs too early,
before X starts.

(The command works if given after Fedora is running.)

Is there somewhere I can put this script,
or do I have to create xorg.conf ?


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Re: Does ccsm work with nouveau?

2010-06-04 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Marko Vojinovic writes:


On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 4:37 AM, Sam Varshavchik  wrote:

I can run ccsm without any apparent errors. I can choose to enable/disable
various plugins ccsm offers me, through its interface.

But that's pretty much it. I can see nothing that comes out from my fiddling
in ccsm. Bupkis. Nothing happens as a result of me flipping the various
knobs in ccsm. I enable, disable various plugins. Pushing the key sequence
that those plugins seem to be using results in nothing, zilch.

The only thing that works for me are the two checkmarks in the "Desktop
Effects" preferences dialog. I can make the windows wobble, and get the cube
effect when flipping through workspaces. But nothing in ccsm proper
apparently has any effect for me. I ran ccsm from a terminal window, in case
in blurts something to standard error, but nothing comes out, it just takes
my settings, and, nothing happens.

It's probably that the freshly-minted noveau driver doesn't yet implement
some key piece of functionality ccsm needs, but no error gets reported. But
maybe I've missed some required step somewhere along the way.


Not sure, but I believe this is a configuration issue. If windows do
wobble and the cube effect works, then nouveau driver seems to be
doing its job right.

I think this is a Gnome thing, starting compiz in a custom manner and
ignoring ccsm settings. Try to disable completely desktop effects in
Gnome, install fusion-icon, and use that to start compiz. Hopefully
then it will respect ccsm settings.

HTH, :-)


Thanks. Looks like starting Compiz using the fusion icon is the trick. Some 
of the ccsm settings still do not appear to do something -- "3D Windows" 
doesn't seem to do anything when I CTRL-ALT-Down and flip desktops, but 
others do, the water effect and the paint fire effect, so looks like it's 
working.


Still experimenting…



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Re: Does ccsm work with nouveau?

2010-06-04 Thread Steven I Usdansky
It's not the same setup you've got (onboard Geforce 9100), and it's a not quite 
up-to-date Rawhide (compiz wouldn't work with the latest 
mesa-dri-drivers-experimental), but ccsm does work for me. Hopefully, I've 
listed all the relevant bits below:

ccsm-0.8.4-3.fc14.noarch

compiz-gnome-0.8.6-1.fc14.x86_64
compizconfig-python-0.8.4-1.fc13.x86_64
libcompizconfig-0.8.4-3.fc14.x86_64
compiz-0.8.6-1.fc14.x86_64
compiz-fusion-0.8.6-1.fc14.x86_64
compizconfig-backend-gconf-0.8.4-2.fc14.x86_64

mesa-dri-drivers-7.8.1-6.fc13.x86_64
mesa-dri-drivers-experimental-7.8.1-6.fc13.x86_64
mesa-libGLU-7.8.1-6.fc13.x86_64
mesa-libGL-7.8.1-6.fc13.x86_64
 
xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-0.0.16-6.20100423git13c1043.fc13.x86_64


  
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BerkeleyTIP Join June Global Free SW HW Culture Mtgs via VOIP or in Berkeley

2010-06-04 Thread giovanni_re
You're invited to join in with the friendly people at the BerkeleyTIP
global meeting  -  newbie to Ph.D. -  everyone is invited.

Get a headset & join using VOIP online, or come to Berkeley.

1st step: Join the mailing list:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

Watch the videos.  Discuss them on VOIP.
8 great videos/talks this month - see below.

Starting off year 3 of BerkeleyTIP  :)

Join with us at the LOCATION TO BE DETERMINED
 at the University of California at Berkeley,
or join from your home via VOIP,
or send this email locally, create a local meeting, & join via VOIP:
  Tip: a wifi cafe is a great place to meet. :)

JUNE 5 & 20 AT UCB MEETING LOCATIONS TO BE DETERMINED.
PLEASE VIEW THE BTIP WEBSITE & MAILING LIST PAGES FOR THE LATEST
DETIALS.
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal


BerkeleyTIP  -  Educational, Productive, Social
For Learning about, Sharing, & Producing, All Free SW HW & Culture.
TIP ==  Talks, Installfest, Project & Programming Party
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip

=  CONTENTS:  1) 2010 JUNE VIDEOS;  2) 2010 JUNE MEETING DAYS,
TIMES, LOCATIONS;  3) LOCAL MEETING AT U. C. Berkeley LOCATION TO BE
DETERMINED;  4) HOT TOPICS;  5) PLEASE  RSVP  PROBABILISTICALLY, THANKS 
:) ;  6) INSTALLFEST;  SPECIAL: FREE 7th Annual BERKELEY WORLD MUSIC
FESTIVAL June 5 Sat;  7) ARRIVING FIRST AT THE MEETING: MAKE A
"BerkeleyTIP" SIGN;  8) IRC: #berkeleytip  on  irc.freenode.net; 9) VOIP
FOR GLOBAL MEETING;  10) VOLUNTEERING, TO DOs;  11) MAILING LISTS:
BerkeleyTIP-Global, LocalBerkeley, Announce;  12) ANYTHING I FORGOT TO
MENTION?;  13) FOR FORWARDING


===
=  1)  2010 JUNE VIDEOS
Super Computing for Business, Brian Modra, CLUG
State of the Linux Union 2010, Jim Zemlin, Linux Foundation
Journaled Soft-Updates, Dr. Kirk McKusick, BSDCan 2010
Scientific data visualization using Mayavi2, Gael Varoquaux,
Python4ScienceUCB
Bringing OLPC to children in Afghanistan, Carol Ruth Silver, OLPC-SF
Text-to-Speech in Ubuntu with Kttsd Kmouth Festival, blip.tv
Rabbi Rabbs, the UnixRabbi, leads a group of Unix geeks, Comedy, UUASC,
BS"D, 2003
The Great Debate - Are We Alone?, Geoff Marcy and Dan Werthimer, s...@uc
Berkeley 

Thanks to all the speakers, organizations, & videographers. :)
[Please alert the speakers that their talks are scheduled for June for
BTIP (if you are with the group that recorded their talk), because I may
not have time to do that.  Thanks. :)  ]

URLs for video download & full details:
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/talk-videos

Download & watch these talks before the BTIP meetings. Discuss at the
meeting.

Email the mailing list, tell us what videos you'll watch & want to
discuss:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

Know any other video sources? - please email me.
_Your_ group should video record & post online your meeting's talks!


=  2)  2010 JUNE MEETING DAYS, TIMES, LOCATIONS
In person meetings on 1st Saturday & 3rd Sunday, every month.
June  5 & 20, 12N-3P USA-Pacific time, Saturday, Sunday

Online only meeting using VOIP:
June 14 & 29, 5-6P   USA-Pacific time, Monday, Tuesday

Mark your calendars.

 5 Sat 12N-3P PDST = 3-6P EDST = 19-22 UTC
14 Mon   5-6P PDST = 8-9P EDST =  0- 1 UTC Tues 15
20 Sun 12N-3P PDST = 3-6P EDST = 19-22 UTC
29 Tues  5-6P PDST = 8-9P EDST =  0- 1 UTC Wed 30

USA-PacificDaylightSavingsTime is -7 hours UTC, due to daylight savings
currently. Times listed above should be double checked by you for
accuracy.


=  3)  LOCAL MEETING AT  U. C. BERKELEY  -  LOCATION TO BE
DETERMINED
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/directions
RSVP please.  See below.  It greatly helps my planning.  But, _do_ come
if you forgot to RSVP.

THE JUNE 5 & 20 ON CAMPUS MEETING LOCATIONS ARE CURRENTLY TO BE
DETERMINED.  HOPEFULLY KNOW ON FRIDAY JUNE 4.  PLEASE VIEW THE BTIP
WEBSITE & MAILING LIST FOR THE FINALIZED LOCATION.  THANK YOU.

ALWAYS BE SURE TO CHECK THE BTIP WEBSITE _&_ MAILING LIST FOR THE LATEST
LAST MINUTE DETAILS & CHANGES, BEFORE COMING TO THE MEETING! :)
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal


DO BRING A VOIP HEADSET, available for $10-30 at most electronics retail
stores, & a laptop computer, so you are able to communicate with the
global BTIP community via VOIP.  It is highly recommended that you have
a voip headset, & not rely on a laptop's built in microphone & speakers,
because the headphones keep the noise level down.  Bringing a headset is
not required, but is a great part of the being able to communicate with
the global community. :)

Clothing: Typically 55-80 degrees F.  Weather:
http://www.wunderground.com/auto/sfgate/CA/Berkeley.html

Other location local meeting possibilities:
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/local-meetings
Create a local meeting in your town.


=  4)  HOT TOPICS
Oracle owns Sun - Free SW implications? OpenOffice?
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Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

2010-06-04 Thread Máirín Duffy
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 13:09 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> 2. This list, and every list I've ever been on, has its "moments". 
> These "moments" can be protracted but are few and far between on this
> list, IMHO.  So, if someone just happens to join the list during one of
> these moments, they may be turned off.  I think that would be the
> exception and not the rule.  Going back and looking at the archives
> would be one way to decide for oneself if this is true. 
> 
> 3. Guidelines are nice.  Most of the time they are not needed and most
> of the time they are not read by new comers before posting.
> 
> 4. The written language can be a tricky thing in which to impart
> emotion/intention.  Aside from everyone clearly marking things "sarcasm,
> rant, etc." it is quite easy to take things the wrong way or to take a
> simple thing and blow it out of proportion.  This makes #2 unavoidable,
> IMHO.  This can be especially true when not everyone on this list has a
> common language/culture.

I do think these three problems are exacerbated by the nature of email
and mailing lists. You send a mail, you can't take it back. Once a mail
goes out, people will have received it, so a moderator can't go back
after the fact and stop posting on a given topic. Actually there are no
per-topic controls on a mailing list.

Lately I've been thinking a lot about how alternative interfaces to
mailing lists might improve some of the problems inherent to them. I
actually set up a blog gateway and a forum gateway to the Fedora design
list. While it was primarily to solve a different problem (the largest
pool of designers out there for us to recruit from aren't familiar with
mailing lists at all), it might help here. If folks think it's a good
idea I'd be happy to help having something similar set up for this
list. 

This is the blog one we have: http://linuxgrrl.com/drupal/

And this is the forum one we have: http://linuxgrrl.com/drupal/forum/1

~m

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Re: Failed attempt installing AdobeReader_enu.i486 (WORKAROUND)

2010-06-04 Thread Steven P. Ulrick
> Hello Everyone,
> When I attempt to do this:
> yum install AdobeReader_enu.i486
> 
> this is the result:
>   package nss-softokn-freebl-3.12.4-19.fc13.x86_64 (which is newer than nss-
> softokn-freebl-3.12.4-17.fc13.i686) is already installed
> 
> Does anyone know why the x86_64 & i686 versions of nss-softokn-freebl are 
> ever 
> so slightly different?
> 
> With all this in mind, how does a guy go about installing 
> AdobeReader_enu.i486 
> on a 64bit install of Fedora 13?

Well, I came up with a temporary solution.  I downgraded nss-softokn-freebl.

It's kind of interesting the downgrading nss-softokn-freebl only affected one 
package, but "yum remove nss-softokn-freebl" would remove 2041 packages...

Anyway, I have a temporary workaround.

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Re: Does ccsm work with nouveau?

2010-06-04 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 4:37 AM, Sam Varshavchik  wrote:
> I can run ccsm without any apparent errors. I can choose to enable/disable
> various plugins ccsm offers me, through its interface.
>
> But that's pretty much it. I can see nothing that comes out from my fiddling
> in ccsm. Bupkis. Nothing happens as a result of me flipping the various
> knobs in ccsm. I enable, disable various plugins. Pushing the key sequence
> that those plugins seem to be using results in nothing, zilch.
>
> The only thing that works for me are the two checkmarks in the "Desktop
> Effects" preferences dialog. I can make the windows wobble, and get the cube
> effect when flipping through workspaces. But nothing in ccsm proper
> apparently has any effect for me. I ran ccsm from a terminal window, in case
> in blurts something to standard error, but nothing comes out, it just takes
> my settings, and, nothing happens.
>
> It's probably that the freshly-minted noveau driver doesn't yet implement
> some key piece of functionality ccsm needs, but no error gets reported. But
> maybe I've missed some required step somewhere along the way.

Not sure, but I believe this is a configuration issue. If windows do
wobble and the cube effect works, then nouveau driver seems to be
doing its job right.

I think this is a Gnome thing, starting compiz in a custom manner and
ignoring ccsm settings. Try to disable completely desktop effects in
Gnome, install fusion-icon, and use that to start compiz. Hopefully
then it will respect ccsm settings.

HTH, :-)
Marko
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Failed attempt installing AdobeReader_enu.i486

2010-06-04 Thread Steven P. Ulrick
Hello Everyone,
When I attempt to do this:
yum install AdobeReader_enu.i486

this is the result:
  package nss-softokn-freebl-3.12.4-19.fc13.x86_64 (which is newer than nss-
softokn-freebl-3.12.4-17.fc13.i686) is already installed

Does anyone know why the x86_64 & i686 versions of nss-softokn-freebl are ever 
so slightly different?

With all this in mind, how does a guy go about installing AdobeReader_enu.i486 
on a 64bit install of Fedora 13?

Steven P. Ulrick
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Re: Setting default pdf reader Fedora13

2010-06-04 Thread Frank Murphy
On 04/06/10 05:22, David A. Paredes Rios wrote:
--snip--
. in the other distro a used update-alternatives script, in
> fedora what can i do?

In terminal run:
yum info galternatives

if that fits what you want.


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Re: strange NFS behaviour after upgrade to F13

2010-06-04 Thread M A Young
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Julian C. Dunn wrote:

> I have upgraded both a NFS client and NFS server to F13 from F12.
>
> Now, on the client, all the files in my NFS home directory appear to be
> owned by nobody:nobody. It's as though they were being mysteriously
> root_squashed even though they're not owned by root.

This could be as a result of the switch from NFSv3 to NFSv4 by default. I 
have seen this problem as well though I haven't had time to investigate if 
this is the trigger.

Michael Young
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