Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:17:04 -0400, Máirín wrote: On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote: 2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy: Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They are directed towards this list right now via a number of different pointers. My team is planning to redesign the Fedora website for Fedora 14, and I'm not sure we can in good conscience continue to point new users to this list Let me get this straight: You remove relevant, helpful links from one Fedora site page and the user community explodes with queries, comments, and complaints about the omission. Now your response to this feedback is to suggest that *more* relevant, helpful links be removed from another page? I would laugh, but I think that you're serious. I don't want to point people new to Fedora to a list with attitudes like this and to come away with the notion that kind of treatment of people - the dripping sarcasm, personal attacks, trolling - is representative of Fedora. It's not. Maybe it's representative of this list (I haven't been following it long enough to know for sure) but it is most certainly NOT how things are done in Fedora. So yes, a link to list this may not actually be a relevant and helpful link for new users. There is some good rationale above as to why I believe this, and unfortunately the tone of your response provides further support. Unfortunately, that's a message that does exactly the opposite of improving the climate. Not all of the feedback from this list was unconstructive. Not all of the responses were abusive or confrontational. But after reviewing the thread in question, I have to say that *many* of your responses were confrontational and many were, frankly, condescending. It didn't seem to matter whether the person you were replying to was trying to be constructive or snarky; your responses seemed designed to pour more fuel on the fire almost every time. This is an unfair personal attack, and is not constructive especially given the topic of the thread. Please let's talk about making things better, and stop pointing fingers and making accusations. Cool down. Alan has made some valid points. IMO. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Setting gnome-terminal size
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:45:19 -0700 Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: How can I get gnome-terminal to always start with size 90x30? On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 07:22 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote: the usage of gconf-editor gives you the right solution: 1. start gconf-editor (you installed it?) 2. goto appsgnome-terminalprofilesDefault Then you may set default_size_columns and default_size_rows. I didn't test it, but I hope that helps. It looks like it ought to work, but it doesn't. No effect on the size of a terminal started using Rt-click (anywhere in the terminal)-Open Terminal Should I submit a bug? Further ideas are solicited. Thanks very much for your help - jon -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Hi + i945 external monitor problem
Hello fedora user list :) I'm glad to have joined this community occasionally in the past year (since F11 has been released). I really think this is a healthy community :). Now, with F13, I decided to make the big step from Kubuntu to Fedora-KDE. So, today I realized that I have subscribed a couple of fedora mailing-list about a year ago... but not this one... so... here I am :). So far I have only spotted one problem that I haven't been able to fix, yet. My laptop (a DELL Inspiron 540) has a video card i945 embedded in it. When I try with my sister's external monitor (that Kubuntu 10.04 was able to use up to 1280x1024) I can only use it at a maximum of 1024x768. I guess it is a driver problem, but I have no clue about how to fix it. Is there anyone who has solved this problem and/or knows how to do that? Thank you, Fabio -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Managing debuginfo repos and packages
On 05/06/10 01:40, Suvayu Ali wrote: Hi, I recently installed debuginfo packages for glibc and gcc with debuginfo-install. It pulled in yum-plugin-auto-update-debug-info. --snip-- Thanks for any pointers. I ended up doing: cd /etc/yum.repos.d sudo cp somwnamed.repo somnamed.keep then edited the *.repo to remove the whole debug section from the unwanted repos. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Is there still yum repository is not configured for grouplist ? in fedora 13
[r...@sukhdukh ~]# yum groupinstall KDE (K Desktop Environment) Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit Setting up Group Process Warning: Group KDE (K Desktop Environment) does not exist. No packages in any requested group available to install or update and no KDE (K Desktop Environment) group shows in grouplist. Sukhdev Jadhav Open Source Consultant XLNC Enterprises, India -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is there still yum repository is not configured for grouplist ? in fedora 13
On 05/06/10 10:16, Sukhdev Jadhav wrote: [r...@sukhdukh ~]# yum groupinstall KDE (K Desktop Environment) Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit and no KDE (K Desktop Environment) group shows in grouplist. yum groupinfo KDE Software Compilation -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228
2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org: On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:10 +, g wrote: it is now beginning to appear that you are better at evading my question than you are at designing web pages. We're done here. I'm amazed that you hung in here for as long! Even without a link to torrents on http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora, http://fedoraproject.org is an excellent site. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Setting gnome-terminal size
Jonathan Ryshpan: It looks like it ought to work, but it doesn't. No effect on the size of a terminal started using Rt-click (anywhere in the terminal)-Open Terminal Should I submit a bug? This looks like the same bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=581097 Further ideas are solicited. I suggest you try Roxterm -- it is a gtk+ app and uses libvte like gnome-terminal. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Monitor disconnects (?) in F13
Lainaus Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com: It happened again so I tried the ssh. I was able to log in and everything seemed to be still running, including my usual GUI apps (I use KDE). Killing kdm, killing X and doing 'init 3' all had no effect. It's as if the monitor is physically disconnected (or the video driver is dead). I had to reboot. I'm going to report it to BZ. I have seen similar lockups, when I ssh to the machine and do ps ax I can see that the X server and various KDE processes are stuck in the D (uninterruptable sleep) state. Hard reset with reset button is the only thing that helps, shutdown or reboot commands don't have any effect. Please post your Bugzilla report number, I'll add my own information to help to solve this. -- Markku Kolkka markku.kol...@iki.fi -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
How do I associate *.jnlp files to Java Webstart (javaws) on GNOME?
Hi, I use Chrome on F13, and everytime I try to open a JNLP file it opens it with gedit. First I thought it was a Chrome bug (there's even a bug report for that: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=10877), but then I realized that if I try to open a .jnlp on nautilus it also opens it with gedit, even if I click on Open With... Other Application... javaws and check the Remember this application for 'jnlp file' files. I tried to use xdg-mime install as suggested by comment #32 but it didn't work (see comment #34). Firefox opens JNLP files just fine, but I guess it has its own table of file associations. So, my guess is that if I can teach GNOME to open JNLP files with javaws my problem will be solved. Any tips? Regards, Andre -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I associate *.jnlp files to Java Webstart (javaws) on GNOME?
On 05/06/10 12:55, Andre Costa wrote: Hi, I use Chrome on F13, and everytime I try to open a JNLP file it opens it with gedit. First I thought it was a Chrome bug (there's even a bug report for did you search for it on your box? locate javaws -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I associate *.jnlp files to Java Webstart (javaws) on GNOME?
Hi Frank, On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 09:02, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/06/10 12:55, Andre Costa wrote: Hi, I use Chrome on F13, and everytime I try to open a JNLP file it opens it with gedit. First I thought it was a Chrome bug (there's even a bug report for did you search for it on your box? locate javaws It is installed: ~ type -pa javaws /usr/java/latest/bin/javaws /usr/java/latest/bin/javaws /usr/bin/javaws (I use Oracle's JDK) I configured alternatives so that Oracle's JDK has top priority over gcj: ~ alternatives --display java java - status is auto. link currently points to /usr/java/latest/bin/java /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.5.0-gcj/bin/java - priority 1500 slave jar: (null) slave jarsigner: (null) slave javadoc: (null) slave javaws: (null) ... /usr/java/latest/bin/java - priority 2 slave jar: /usr/java/latest/bin/jar slave jarsigner: /usr/java/latest/bin/jarsigner slave javadoc: /usr/java/latest/bin/javadoc slave javaws: /usr/java/latest/bin/javaws ... ~ javaws Java(TM) Web Start 1.6.0_20 ... So, AFAICS it should work, but obviously something is missing... I'm out of ideas :-( Regards, Andre -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I associate *.jnlp files to Java Webstart (javaws) on GNOME?
On 05/06/10 13:19, Andre Costa wrote: Hi Frank, --snip-- ... So, AFAICS it should work, but obviously something is missing... I'm out of ideas :-( Regards, Andre I'm still only a Java newbie, but have you tested ita against another jdk, openjdk, sun-jdk? Was there a particular link, I could test a Rawhide box against? Frank -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Preupgrade F11 to F13. DBUS issues, gdm shows empty user list, pulse doesn't work.
Hello all, As the title suggest, I've preupgraded a fully updated F11 to F13. I'm getting an empty user list in GDM and pulse refuses to start. I've relabeled the root file system and reinstalled selinux-policy-targeted - both didn't help. Doesn't look like an SELinux issue. Log: gdm-simple-slave[2968]: WARNING: Unable to open session: Failed to execute program /lib64/dbus-1/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success#012 gnome-session[2992]: devkit-power-gobject-WARNING: Couldn't enumerate devices: Failed to execute program /lib64/dbus-1/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success gdm-simple-greeter[3014]: devkit-power-gobject-WARNING: Couldn't enumerate devices: Failed to execute program /lib64/dbus-1/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success gdm-simple-greeter[3014]: devkit-power-gobject-WARNING: Error invoking GetAll() to get properties: Failed to execute program /lib64/dbus-1/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success gdm-simple-greeter[3014]: Gtk-WARNING: gtkwidget.c:5643: widget not within a GtkWindow pulseaudio[3041]: module-console-kit.c: GetSessionsForUnixUser() call failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Failed to execute program /lib64/dbus-1/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success pulseaudio[3041]: module.c: Failed to load module module-console-kit (argument: ): initialization failed. pulseaudio[3041]: main.c: Module load failed. pulseaudio[3041]: main.c: Failed to initialize daemon. pulseaudio[3034]: main.c: Daemon startup failed. - Gilboa -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I associate *.jnlp files to Java Webstart (javaws) on GNOME?
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 09:31, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/06/10 13:19, Andre Costa wrote: Hi Frank, --snip-- ... So, AFAICS it should work, but obviously something is missing... I'm out of ideas :-( Regards, Andre I'm still only a Java newbie, but have you tested ita against another jdk, openjdk, sun-jdk? Nope, I'll give it a try with openjdk. Was there a particular link, I could test a Rawhide box against? All JNLP links behave the same. Try this one for example: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorialJWS/uiswing/learn/ex6/CelsiusConverter.jnlp Remember: it works on Firefox, so you should really try with Chrome (and Nautilus, once you've saved the JNLP file locally). Regards, Andre -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I associate *.jnlp files to Java Webstart (javaws) on GNOME?
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 09:31, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/06/10 13:19, Andre Costa wrote: Hi Frank, --snip-- ... So, AFAICS it should work, but obviously something is missing... I'm out of ideas :-( Regards, Andre I'm still only a Java newbie, but have you tested ita against another jdk, openjdk, sun-jdk? Nope, I'll give it a try with openjdk. Was there a particular link, I could test a Rawhide box against? All JNLP links behave the same. Try this one for example: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorialJWS/uiswing/learn/ex6/CelsiusConverter.jnlp Remember: it works on Firefox, so you should really try with Chrome (and Nautilus, once you've saved the JNLP file locally). Regards, Andre -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I associate *.jnlp files to Java Webstart (javaws) on GNOME?
Andre Costa writes: All JNLP links behave the same. Try this one for example: URL:http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorialJWS/uiswing/learn/ex6/ CelsiusConverter.jnlphttp://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorialJWS/uiswing/le arn/ex6/CelsiusConverter.jnlp Works for me. Firefox prompts me to open it with IcedTea Web Start by default. pgpk07C3Qsp3z.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I associate *.jnlp files to Java Webstart (javaws) on GNOME?
On 05/06/10 14:04, Andre Costa wrote: All JNLP links behave the same. Try this one for example: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorialJWS/uiswing/learn/ex6/CelsiusConverter.jnlp Works fine with Chrome on Rawhide. (Icedtea-plugin) google-chrome-stable-5.0.375.55-47796.x86_64 Havn't got Nautilus so can'tt test there. But is it chrome you want to open it, through Nautilus? -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F13 Sadly Unusable
I upgraded to F13 on my Dell Latitude D630 * Wireless doesn't work - the laptop only gets a multicast address, not a valid unicast address * Bluetooth DUN still doesn't work. * So I go to my docking station so that I can get *some* network, and X comes up with the *closed* laptop lid as the primary monitor in a dual monitor setup...so I can't see any windows Wow. Impressive. -b -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 09:19 +0930, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:42 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: 2. For more than 15 years I have found that the GUI partition installer hard to use and in F13 it is even more impossible to use. This is mainly because the various options are hard to distinguish from one another. I know someone will say it was easy fo them but I challenge them in the basic configuration to remove the separation of root from home. Do you mean the root user space (typically /root)? That shouldn't be inside /home, and that's not a partitioning issue. No, the basic disk structure created by the partitioner has separate LVM partitions for /root and /home. I wanted to combine them to a single LVM partition. I failed miserably. It does not make much sense what I wanted to do but I was frustrated that I couldn't do it. What I really wanted to do is to have the partitions other than swap in a single partition. I got that done but I am apprehensive about being able to do it again on my laptop which also has a Windows XP partition. I find the whole GUI partitioning application confusing. -- === Having a wonderful wine, wish you were beer. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 11:36 +0930, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 18:35 -0700, Kam Leo wrote: I believe the OP means / which is the root. Only they can answer that, but since they mentioned the separation of root from home, I do not think so. And I cannot imagine that anyone could have difficulty separating / from /home using the usual partitioning tool, it's *very* easy. I think I admitted that what I wanted to do made little sense but although separating / from /home in fdisk it is easy, it is pretty confusing to do in the GUI partitioner in the installer. /root, on the other hand, is not a mount point, it's a directory in /, and that's how it should be. /root needs to be available to the root user when they log on in all modes, including single, where only the minimum of partitions are mounted (i.e. most, if not all, of fstab is ignored). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- === In the next world, you're on your own. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Preupgrade F11 to F13. DBUS issues, gdm shows empty user list, pulse doesn't work.
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 15:47 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: As the title suggest, I've preupgraded a fully updated F11 to F13. AFAIK this is not supported: preupgrade prepares your Fedora system for an upgrade to the next version ... You probably need to go F11-F12-F13. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Preupgrade F11 to F13. DBUS issues, gdm shows empty user list, pulse doesn't work.
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 09:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 15:47 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: As the title suggest, I've preupgraded a fully updated F11 to F13. AFAIK this is not supported: preupgrade prepares your Fedora system for an upgrade to the next version ... You probably need to go F11-F12-F13. poc I doubt it. preupgrade-cli offered 3 options: F12, F13 and rawhide. P.S. FWIW, I did a headless upgrade using preupgrade-cli --vnc. - Gilboa -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 Sadly Unusable
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 09:37 -0400, Brian C. Huffman wrote: I upgraded to F13 on my Dell Latitude D630 * Wireless doesn't work - the laptop only gets a multicast address, not a valid unicast address * Bluetooth DUN still doesn't work. * So I go to my docking station so that I can get *some* network, and X comes up with the *closed* laptop lid as the primary monitor in a dual monitor setup...so I can't see any windows Wow. Impressive. -b I wonder, what was your intention sending this email? Blowing off steam? Reporting bugs? You are aware that this is random noise that will be simply ignored, right? (Unless you take the time to report bugs, and help the developers debug the problems) - Gilboa -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I associate *.jnlp files to Java Webstart (javaws) on GNOME?
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 08:55 -0300, Andre Costa wrote: Hi, I use Chrome on F13, and everytime I try to open a JNLP file it opens it with gedit. First I thought it was a Chrome bug (there's even a bug report for that: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=10877), but then I realized that if I try to open a .jnlp on nautilus it also opens it with gedit, even if I click on Open With... Other Application... javaws and check the Remember this application for 'jnlp file' files. I tried to use xdg-mime install as suggested by comment #32 but it didn't work (see comment #34). Firefox opens JNLP files just fine, but I guess it has its own table of file associations. So, my guess is that if I can teach GNOME to open JNLP files with javaws my problem will be solved. Any tips? I would install sun jdk or jre. Then I would make sure that what I just installed was the default via the alternatives command ie; /usr/sbin/alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java [path to java] [any digit] /usr/sbin/alternatives --install /usr/bin/javaws javaws [path to javaws] [any digit] Then make sure that alternatives is set to use what you just installed; /usr/sbin/alternatives --config java /usr/sbin/alternatives --config javaws -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 Sadly Unusable
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 17:33 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: I wonder, what was your intention sending this email? Blowing off steam? Reporting bugs? You are aware that this is random noise that will be simply ignored, right? (Unless you take the time to report bugs, and help the developers debug the problems) Last ditch effort? Motivate someone (out of anger at me) to help? I've done what you said. Take a look at the date on this bug report and see where it's gotten me: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=591489 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Preupgrade F11 to F13. DBUS issues, gdm shows empty user list, pulse doesn't work.
On 06/05/2010 07:34 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 15:47 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: As the title suggest, I've preupgraded a fully updated F11 to F13. AFAIK this is not supported: preupgrade prepares your Fedora system for an upgrade to the next version ... You probably need to go F11-F12-F13. The wiki page page on preupgrade notes explicitly that skipping a release is ok and I have updated the description in Rawhide to clarify this Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Preupgrade F11 to F13. DBUS issues, gdm shows empty user list, pulse doesn't work.
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 17:30 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 09:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 15:47 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: As the title suggest, I've preupgraded a fully updated F11 to F13. AFAIK this is not supported: preupgrade prepares your Fedora system for an upgrade to the next version ... You probably need to go F11-F12-F13. poc I doubt it. preupgrade-cli offered 3 options: F12, F13 and rawhide. I'm just quoting the rpm info. The README and the web page both say this as well. It's unfortunate that the documentation isn't more extensive, and that the docs and the software seem to say different things. In that situation I'd personally be more conservative, but that's just me. P.S. FWIW, I did a headless upgrade using preupgrade-cli --vnc. The fact that it worked in this case doesn't mean it's supported in all cases, especially given that it didn't work in the case you're asking about. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Preupgrade F11 to F13. ConsoleKit issue, gdm shows empty user list, pulse doesn't work. (Was DBUS issue)
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 15:47 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: Hello all, As the title suggest, I've preupgraded a fully updated F11 to F13. I'm getting an empty user list in GDM and pulse refuses to start. I've relabeled the root file system and reinstalled selinux-policy-targeted - both didn't help. Doesn't look like an SELinux issue. Log: gdm-simple-slave[2968]: WARNING: Unable to open session: Failed to execute program /lib64/dbus-1/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success#012 gnome-session[2992]: devkit-power-gobject-WARNING: Couldn't enumerate devices: Failed to execute program /lib64/dbus-1/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success gdm-simple-greeter[3014]: devkit-power-gobject-WARNING: Couldn't enumerate devices: Failed to execute program /lib64/dbus-1/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success gdm-simple-greeter[3014]: devkit-power-gobject-WARNING: Error invoking GetAll() to get properties: Failed to execute program /lib64/dbus-1/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success gdm-simple-greeter[3014]: Gtk-WARNING: gtkwidget.c:5643: widget not within a GtkWindow pulseaudio[3041]: module-console-kit.c: GetSessionsForUnixUser() call failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Failed to execute program /lib64/dbus-1/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success pulseaudio[3041]: module.c: Failed to load module module-console-kit (argument: ): initialization failed. pulseaudio[3041]: main.c: Module load failed. pulseaudio[3041]: main.c: Failed to initialize daemon. pulseaudio[3034]: main.c: Daemon startup failed. - Gilboa OK. This not a dbus issue. I'm getting partial functionality (GDM user list, pulseaudio is working, but a number of GNOME application crash on startup), if I manually start ConsoleKit daemon by issuing $ console-kit-daemon --no-daemon --debug from a text console init 3. It seems that ConsoleKit is silently dying during startup. Any idea how I can triage this issue? Someone already reported this issue [1], but the bug report didn't really go anywhere. - Gilboa [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546187 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Preupgrade F11 to F13. DBUS issues, gdm shows empty user list, pulse doesn't work.
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 20:27 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/05/2010 07:34 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 15:47 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: As the title suggest, I've preupgraded a fully updated F11 to F13. AFAIK this is not supported: preupgrade prepares your Fedora system for an upgrade to the next version ... You probably need to go F11-F12-F13. The wiki page page on preupgrade notes explicitly that skipping a release is ok and I have updated the description in Rawhide to clarify this Thanks Rahul, but which Wiki page? https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/ doesn't say this, and neither do the rpm info and the README in the package, so they would also need to be changed. And how many people are going to look at the Rawhide description when updating to F13? poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Preupgrade F11 to F13. DBUS issues, gdm shows empty user list, pulse doesn't work.
On 06/05/2010 08:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Thanks Rahul, but which Wiki page? https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/ doesn't say this, and neither do the rpm info and the README in the package, so they would also need to be changed. And how many people are going to look at the Rawhide description when updating to F13? I was referring to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_PreUpgrade but I have updated the project page to add the same note as well. The package description is only updated in Rawhide for the next release. It doesn't make much sense to update a package just for a description clarification. If any updates are pushed for other reasons, the updated description can go along with it. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I associate *.jnlp files to Java Webstart (javaws) on GNOME?
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 10:30, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/06/10 14:04, Andre Costa wrote: All JNLP links behave the same. Try this one for example: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorialJWS/uiswing/learn/ex6/CelsiusConverter.jnlp Works fine with Chrome on Rawhide. (Icedtea-plugin) google-chrome-stable-5.0.375.55-47796.x86_64 Mmmh... that's a good sign. Or not ;-) I just have to figure what's wrong with my setup now. Havn't got Nautilus so can'tt test there. But is it chrome you want to open it, through Nautilus? Sorry, I should have made it clearer. Nautilus is GNOME's file manager. My goal is to open JNLP files through Chrome, I just mentioned nautilus because I thought that Chrome sees gedit as the preferred application for JNLP files because nautilus also does it, so if I could fix this maybe I would fix both. Regards, Andre -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Preupgrade F11 to F13. DBUS issues, gdm shows empty user list, pulse doesn't work.
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 20:56 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/05/2010 08:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Thanks Rahul, but which Wiki page? https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/ doesn't say this, and neither do the rpm info and the README in the package, so they would also need to be changed. And how many people are going to look at the Rawhide description when updating to F13? I was referring to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_PreUpgrade but I have updated the project page to add the same note as well. The package description is only updated in Rawhide for the next release. It doesn't make much sense to update a package just for a description clarification. If any updates are pushed for other reasons, the updated description can go along with it. Fair enough. I mentioned the other page because that's the one referred to by the package README, but now that you've fixed it there's no problem. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I associate *.jnlp files to Java Webstart (javaws) on GNOME?
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 11:45, Terry Polzin foxec...@wowway.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 08:55 -0300, Andre Costa wrote: Hi, I use Chrome on F13, and everytime I try to open a JNLP file it opens it with gedit. First I thought it was a Chrome bug (there's even a bug report for that: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=10877), but then I realized that if I try to open a .jnlp on nautilus it also opens it with gedit, even if I click on Open With... Other Application... javaws and check the Remember this application for 'jnlp file' files. I tried to use xdg-mime install as suggested by comment #32 but it didn't work (see comment #34). Firefox opens JNLP files just fine, but I guess it has its own table of file associations. So, my guess is that if I can teach GNOME to open JNLP files with javaws my problem will be solved. Any tips? I would install sun jdk or jre. I installed Sun JDK official RPM, from Oracle's site. Then I would make sure that what I just installed was the default via the alternatives command ie; /usr/sbin/alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java [path to java] [any digit] /usr/sbin/alternatives --install /usr/bin/javaws javaws [path to javaws] [any digit] I am really not proficient with 'alternatives' command, but I did try to configure Sun's JDK as the default. The difference is that I configured javaws as a slave to java config, like this: sudo alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /usr/java/latest/bin/java 2 \ --slave /usr/bin/javaws javaws /usr/java/latest/bin/javaws It seems it worked: ~ ls -l /usr/bin/javaws lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 24 Jun 5 12:25 /usr/bin/javaws - /etc/alternatives/javaws ~ file /etc/alternatives/javaws /etc/alternatives/javaws: symbolic link to `/usr/java/latest/bin/javaws' /usr/java/latest/bin/javaws is the right executable (I mean, it is Sun's javaws). Then make sure that alternatives is set to use what you just installed; /usr/sbin/alternatives --config java /usr/sbin/alternatives --config javaws It is, at least AFAICS: ~ alternatives --display java java - status is auto. /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.5.0-gcj/bin/java - priority 1500 slave jar: (null) slave jarsigner: (null) slave javadoc: (null) slave javaws: (null) ... /usr/java/latest/bin/java - priority 2 slave jar: /usr/java/latest/bin/jar slave jarsigner: /usr/java/latest/bin/jarsigner slave javadoc: /usr/java/latest/bin/javadoc slave javaws: /usr/java/latest/bin/javaws Regards, Andre -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 Sadly Unusable
On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:37:52 -0400 Brian C. Huffman bhuff...@graze.net wrote: I upgraded to F13 on my Dell Latitude D630 * Wireless doesn't work - the laptop only gets a multicast address, not a valid unicast address * Bluetooth DUN still doesn't work. * So I go to my docking station so that I can get *some* network, and X comes up with the *closed* laptop lid as the primary monitor in a dual monitor setup...so I can't see any windows Wow. Impressive. File bugs. One for the wireless (include the information on what card it is etc and what is in 'dmesg') One for the bluetooth (and if things other than DUN work probably start against NetworkMangler One for the video (against X giving your video info) There are always going to be some systems a release breaks - with any OS. It's not possible to test every combination of hardware on the planet. Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 Sadly Unusable
On Saturday 05 June 2010, Brian C. Huffman wrote: On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 17:33 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: I wonder, what was your intention sending this email? Blowing off steam? Reporting bugs? You are aware that this is random noise that will be simply ignored, right? (Unless you take the time to report bugs, and help the developers debug the problems) Last ditch effort? Motivate someone (out of anger at me) to help? I've done what you said. Take a look at the date on this bug report and see where it's gotten me: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=591489 Brian, as one who has also been burnt on bad BT hardware, I will concur that it is 200% buyer beware on that stuff. I got burnt on a pair that weren't even given a MAC address in their firmware, so they defaulted to 11.11.11.11.11.11 and refused to talk to each other from 3 feet. So it cost me $40 USD twice to get two dongles that worked. Possibly bluez may be able to deal with such a device today, but back about December of last year it was helpless, incapable of assigning a BDADDR to a device without one. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The naked truth of it is, I have no shirt. -- William Shakespeare, Love's Labour's Lost -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Failed attempt installing AdobeReader_enu.i486 (WORKAROUND)
On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 11:34:02 -0400, Jim mickey...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I did a rpm -e --nodeps nss-softokn-freebl and I was going to reinstall , BUT!! now I can't do a SU to reinstall no matter which way I go, I tryed to restart and go in as SINGLE user to reinstall, that didn't work, now I can't get back into my Desktop. I tryed the Fedora System Rescue disk and I still can't get back into SU. I guess I will have to do a Clean Install. You can boot a rescue image and use that to reinstall nss-softokn-freebl and/or do other related cleanup. I usually do a series of mounts and chroot before running yum, but using the --installroot is possibly a better way to do this. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Desktop doesn't wake up from suspend
Hi, Where is the definitive information on power management and fedora? Unfortunately no such thing exists as specific to Fedora. Most power-management issues are very hardware specific and it is nearly impossible for any Linux to provide a perfect solution that works for everyone. Yes, I agree to an extent, but my configuration is very typical. I also had the same problem with an AMD XP2500+, which is why I upgraded to the AMD 3800+ 64-bit system, and have the same problem. It has a Matrox G400 card on it, which should also be well-supported by now. 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400/G450 (rev 85) That being said, a great deal of PM related functions come from the pm-utils package. Information here: http://pm-utils.freedesktop.org/wiki/ Thanks for the info. If you're so inclined, I appreciate it if you would look at the output, although I don't think there is much there to consider: # pm-utils-bugreport-info.sh output http://pastebin.com/fkq0qMTj To help you diagnose the problem you would be better off looking at your logs: /var/log/pm-suspend.log /var/log/messages Does this help at all? Jun 4 17:06:35 mysys kernel: powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ processors (1 cpu cores) (version 2.20.00) Jun 4 17:06:35 mysys kernel: ACPI Exception: AE_NOT_FOUND, Evaluating _PSS (20091214/processor_perflib-321) Jun 4 17:06:35 mysys kernel: [Firmware Bug]: powernow-k8: No PSB or ACPI _PSS objects Sounds like the kernel is handling the exception, but is the power management able to? # Here is the output from Xorg -configure http://pastebin.com/Vm13tB9P # /etc/X11/xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/1mWpWf0J It now correctly identifies my monitor, but when putting in place of /etc/X11/xorg.conf it doesn't show that it's correctly identified it. Is that the correct location for the file? Perhaps I need to select or enable the display in the file? Shouldn't there be a driver for matrox or mga in the list of drivers that it supports? I don't see that in the list. run as root: # init 3 # pm-suspend How should power management be configured in the BIOS? S1? S3? How do the settings in the BIOS correlate to how power management is configured in software? There are options in the BIOS for configuring sleep for the hard disk, wake-up events, etc... Please read the man page for some help: # man pm-action Already added is the following: /usr/lib64/pm-utils/sleep.d/00auto-quirk hibernate hibernate: Adding quirks from HAL: --quirk-dpms-on --quirk-dpms-suspend --quirk-vbe-post --quirk-vbemode-restore --quirk-vbestate-restore --quirk-vga-mode-3 Thanks, Alex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Resizing virtual display on virtual machine
On 06/04/2010 10:56 AM, Christoph A. wrote: I was also looking for an answer to this question yesterday and got a hint: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-June/374160.html 1) set the video model to vga 2) within the VM: 'yum install system-config-display' - use it to set a new display with beter resolution I did that and got a higher resolution but unfortunately with a poor performance. Interesting. I had not yet run any VMs since upgrading from fedora 12 to 13 -- there does seem to have been a fairly significant regression in VM video performance under fedora 13. Anyone else seeing this? Any known solutions (could not find with a quick search)? Joe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Removing/Cemsoring bad Fedora mirrors?
On 06/04/2010 07:53 PM, Jon Stanley wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Daniel B. Thurman d...@cdkkt.com wrote: For those who do manage mirror lists, the specific mirror in question is: web-ster.com I can't see anything wrong with this mirror at the moment - I'm downloading the KDE live ISO from it just for testing. It seems a little slow for a mirror that claims 250Mbps of bandwidth (I'm getting 500-600KB/sec on a connection that could get 6.5MB/s to a well connected mirror near to me), but that could be distance related or whatever. Yeah, it's strange. At times it seems to work fine but at other times it stops working for awhile. Maybe they were going through some sort of a maintenance downtime or something - but that does not explain how the yum hang remained - holding the connection hostage - that is the part I cannot fathom As a previous poster explained - it's probably a router issue... in any case - I have blacklisted this site and all is good - so far... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]
On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:21 AM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:17:04 -0400, Máirín wrote: On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote: 2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy: Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They are directed towards this list right now via a number of different pointers. My team is planning to redesign the Fedora website for Fedora 14, and I'm not sure we can in good conscience continue to point new users to this list -- You know, as one of these new users to the list whom everyone continues to try to capitalize on in this debate, I have to say that I am indeed turned off by the immaturity, or the bloody inability of you all to cope with each other. I'm tire of having my inbox spammed by these what amount to little more than well-worded flame-wars. I haven't paid close enough attention to place blame, and I will not; but what I have seen seems to be little more than that. My thoughts on this whole thing are that this conversation should be moved to a list about development, or create a new list for community-balance discussions or something. Because honestly, all of this, the previous FWN discussion, and the one that preceded that, have been irrelevant to the purpose of a beginners list, so far as I am aware. David-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Removing/Cemsoring bad Fedora mirrors?
On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:27:15 -0700 Daniel B. Thurman wrote: but that does not explain how the yum hang remained - holding the connection hostage - that is the part I cannot fathom I see these sorts of hangs all the time with lots of testing going on on a big collection of both real and virtual machines using NFS and ssh and wot-not. I don't know exactly what the heck network timeouts timeout on, but I often get things hung for hours with network problems. Somehow networks go down but act like they are up :-). I finally put independent fallback timeouts in my test drivers to kill things off after they haven't finished in about 300% of the time they normally take. That at least stopped things from permanently clogging the test queues. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 10:40 -0700, davidbri...@att.net wrote: Because honestly, all of this, the previous FWN discussion, and the one that preceded that, have been irrelevant to the purpose of a beginners list, so far as I am aware. To clarify, this not meant to be a beginner's list. Beginners are welcome, but they are not the only intended audience. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 Sadly Unusable
Brian C. Huffman wrote: I upgraded to F13 on my Dell Latitude D630 * Wireless doesn't work - the laptop only gets a multicast address, not a valid unicast address I'm not sure what that means. But if NetworkManager is not working I would try the network service: sudo chkconfig network on and re-boot. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 10:40 -0700, davidbri...@att.net wrote: On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:21 AM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:17:04 -0400, Máirín wrote: On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote: 2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy: Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They are directed towards this list right now via a number of different pointers. My team is planning to redesign the Fedora website for Fedora 14, and I'm not sure we can in good conscience continue to point new users to this list -- You know, as one of these new users to the list whom everyone continues to try to capitalize on in this debate, I have to say that I am indeed turned off by the immaturity, or the bloody inability of you all to cope with each other. I'm tire of having my inbox spammed by these what amount to little more than well-worded flame-wars. I haven't paid close enough attention to place blame, and I will not; but what I have seen seems to be little more than that. My thoughts on this whole thing are that this conversation should be moved to a list about development, or create a new list for community-balance discussions or something. Because honestly, all of this, the previous FWN discussion, and the one that preceded that, have been irrelevant to the purpose of a beginners list, so far as I am aware. This is a very active mailing list with a lot of participants so it's hardly surprising that it behaves like a microcosm. Delete the threads that don't interest you and move on - it's easiest to deal with that way. For the most part, the most vociferous are knowledgeable with good intentions but it's easy for a disagreement to lose perspective and tact. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On 06/05/2010 09:56 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: think I admitted that what I wanted to do made little sense but although separating / from /home in fdisk it is easy, it is pretty confusing to do in the GUI partitioner in the installer. I found the installer partition tool beyond obvious. Its not as powerful as gparted but it is simple, straightforward and everything is clear. To me others I know that used it anyway. That being the case, perhaps you can elucidate what you found confusing so those that can make it better can understand what may need improving ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 13 installation
On 06/05/2010 02:43 AM, Mark Ryden wrote: Hello, I had tried to install Fedora 13 on Lenovo N500 latpop and when I try to boot it starts, the fedora logo appears, some services (like udev) are started, and then it hangs; I tried it three times. I added to the kernel boot parameters noprobe noapic noapci but it did not help. This laptop ran Fedora 10 before. What do you suggest me to do ? \ For 1 thing the kernel has booted successfully. It is important to see where the hang is. I've seen some systems take a long time with udev. At this point, let's see where it hangs. Additionally, there are some kernel parameters you can add to try to debug your hang. Had the same issue with a RHEL 5.2 system recently, and had to blacklist a driver. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 Sadly Unusable
On 06/05/2010 10:48 AM, Brian C. Huffman wrote: On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 17:33 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: I wonder, what was your intention sending this email? Blowing off steam? Reporting bugs? You are aware that this is random noise that will be simply ignored, right? (Unless you take the time to report bugs, and help the developers debug the problems) Last ditch effort? Motivate someone (out of anger at me) to help? I've done what you said. Take a look at the date on this bug report and see where it's gotten me: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=591489 Dell laptops tend to use Broadcom cards for wireless. If you look at dmesg it may tell you you need some firmware. You should install b43-fwcutter. Take a look at this website for further instructions. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43. While my laptop is running Ubuntu, it has run SuSE and Fedora. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Looking for multi-DVD spanning archiver
I want to off-load the entire /pub/fedora/linux/releases/13/Everything/ directory (46,864 items, totalling 59.7 GB) to a modest stack of single- or dual-layer DVD-Rs. Is there a multi-DVD spanning archiver capability in F13? Ideally I'd like to use an application that writes and reads directly to/from a DVD drive and prompts for the next disc until done. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Installing and configuring USB Wireless for rt2870?
Seems that there are fragmented sources of information on the Internet on how some people were seemingly able to get the rt2870 USB Wireless to work on Fedora and I am trying to do the same, but without much success. Can anyone point me to a definitive site that can explain how this could be done? What I have done so far is: 1) yum install rt2870 Installed: kmod-rt2870-2.1.2.0-6.fc12.19.i686 Installed: rt2870-2.1.2.0-2.fc12.1.noarch Installed: kmod-rt2870-2.6.32.12-115.fc12.i686-2.1.2.0-6.fc12.19.i686 2) Step (1) above is not enough as one seemingly has to also install the rt2870.bin firmware from site: http://www.ralinktech.com/support.php?s=2, and the link: Firmware RT28XX/RT30XX USB series (RT2870/RT2770/RT3572/RT3070) http://www.ralinktech.com/license_us.php?n=2p=1t=U0wyRnpjMlYwY3k4eU1ERXdMekF6THpNeEwyUnZkMjVzYjJGa01UWXpPRGs1T0Rnek5pNTZhWEE5UFQxU1ZESTROekJmUm1seWJYZGhjbVZmVmpJeUM%3D + copy rt2870.bin from RT2870_Firmware_V22.zip to: /lib/firmware/rt2870.bin 3) Configure the wireless network device via: System-Administration-Network I can ping the wireless device on my local system, but I am not able to connect to the wireless base-station and to the network... If there is any additional info I can provide to make this work, please let me know! Kind regards, Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Audacity-1.3.12 vs Fedora-13
Has anyone got audacity version 1.3.12 running under Fedora-13. More exactly, the version I'm interested in is compiled on a Fedora-13 system from: audacity-minsrc-1.3.12-beta.tar.bz2 It doesn't recognize any audio I/O devices, and so doesn't work. A version built from the same source on a Fedora-11 system runs just fine on both Fedora-11 and Fedora-13. Strange. Any ideas? Thanks - jon -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Looking for multi-DVD spanning archiver
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage dsav...@peaknet.net wrote: I want to off-load the entire /pub/fedora/linux/releases/13/Everything/ directory (46,864 items, totalling 59.7 GB) to a modest stack of single- or dual-layer DVD-Rs. Is there a multi-DVD spanning archiver capability in F13? Ideally I'd like to use an application that writes and reads directly to/from a DVD drive and prompts for the next disc until done. I've used discspan[1] before and worked quite well for backing up 8 DVD's of pictures while keeping the individual files accessible. Richard [1] http://ocaoimh.ie/fill-span-dvd-archives-discspan/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Desktop doesn't wake up from suspend
Hi, Can someone tell me if this is a kernel bug or a video controller bug that is reported here? [Firmware Bug]: powernow-k8: No PSB or ACPI _PSS objects agpgart-amd64 :00:00.0: AGP 2.0 bridge agpgart-amd64 :00:00.0: putting AGP V2 device into 1x mode matroxfb :01:00.0: putting AGP V2 device into 1x mode [drm] Initialized card for AGP DMA. platform mga_warp.0: firmware: requesting matrox/g400_warp.fw platform mga_warp.0: Firmware matrox/g400_warp.fw not valid IHEX records [drm:mga_warp_install_microcode] *ERROR* mga: Failed to load microcode matrox/g400_warp.fw [drm:mga_do_init_dma] *ERROR* failed to install WARP ucode!: -22 SELinux: initialized (dev fuse, type fuse), uses genfs_contexts powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ processors (1 cpu cores) (version 2.20.00) ACPI Exception: AE_NOT_FOUND, Evaluating _PSS (20091214/processor_perflib-321) I'm on a quest to get my computer to fix the suspend problem on my AMD 3500+ FC13 desktop... Thanks, Alex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
question about NSFv4 and FC13
I'm currently running FC11 and plan to do a clean install of FC13 throughout my small home LAN. But before I do this I'd like to get a few things straight about NSFv4 and FC13. I've been using a setup for NSF suggested by someone on this list for several versions of Fedora. Here's the procedure: I use system-config-nfs on the server to create entries in the /etc/exports file for each directory I want to share, e.g.: /home/magnusg/Music 192.168.1.12(rw,sync) 192.168.1.13(rw,sync) Also on the server, I use system-config-services to enable and start nfs and nfslock on levels 3, 4 and 5. In /etc/sysconfig/nfs on the server I force several ports to be non-random by specifying them as follows: RQUOTAD_PORT=4000 LOCKD_TCPPORT=4001 LOCKD_UDPPORT=4001 MOUNTD_PORT=4002 STATD_PORT=4003 Then, using system-config-firewall on the server, I make NSF4 a trusted service. On the Other Ports panel I open ports 4000-4003 as well as port 111 (for the portmapper) as tcp and udp Finally, on each client, I add a line like this to the fstab file: 192.168.1.14:/home/magnusg/Music /home/magnusg/Music nfs rw,auto,hard,intr,bg 0 0 My question is: does any of this procedure change for the NSFv4 on FC13? Or is there now a less complicated way to accomplish the same thing? Thanks for the help! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing and configuring USB Wireless for rt2870?
On 06/05/2010 02:49 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Seems that there are fragmented sources of information on the Internet on how some people were seemingly able to get the rt2870 USB Wireless to work on Fedora and I am trying to do the same, but without much success. Can anyone point me to a definitive site that can explain how this could be done? What I have done so far is: 1) yum install rt2870 Installed: kmod-rt2870-2.1.2.0-6.fc12.19.i686 Installed: rt2870-2.1.2.0-2.fc12.1.noarch Installed: kmod-rt2870-2.6.32.12-115.fc12.i686-2.1.2.0-6.fc12.19.i686 2) Step (1) above is not enough as one seemingly has to also install the rt2870.bin firmware from site: http://www.ralinktech.com/support.php?s=2, and the link: Firmware RT28XX/RT30XX USB series (RT2870/RT2770/RT3572/RT3070) http://www.ralinktech.com/license_us.php?n=2p=1t=U0wyRnpjMlYwY3k4eU1ERXdMekF6THpNeEwyUnZkMjVzYjJGa01UWXpPRGs1T0Rnek5pNTZhWEE5UFQxU1ZESTROekJmUm1seWJYZGhjbVZmVmpJeUM%3D + copy rt2870.bin from RT2870_Firmware_V22.zip to: /lib/firmware/rt2870.bin 3) Configure the wireless network device via: System-Administration-Network I can ping the wireless device on my local system, but I am not able to connect to the wireless base-station and to the network... If there is any additional info I can provide to make this work, please let me know! Kind regards, Dan I wanted to add something else here... It seems that I was able to create an auto-wireless setup via NetworkManager, but there seems to be a problem. I am required to use WPA/WPA2 Personal connection, and I have set it up and added the passphrase, however, when attempting to connect, I am given a popup asking for only WEP choices - I am never allowed to choose a WPA/WPA2 Personal passphrase from the dropdown list. What to do? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Network Speed issues on Fedora 12
alan wrote: I have a couple of systems with gigabit ethernet cards. If I copy a large quantity of data to the machine I notice the data throughput start to fall off after about 4-5 gigs. It keeps getting slower and slower the more data that flows through the interface. And drops to the sustained write speed of your drive(s) you're writing. This happens on x86_64 and i386. A similar Ubuntu system does not show the problem. Are you using LVM on one system or the other? If I run the Fedora 12 system under VMWare, I still see the problem. Windows Server 2008 runs fine on the same VMWare server. Any ideas here? This has been driving me mad and I have seen nothing useful on this issue in my various Google searches. Thanks! -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Evolution oddities in F13
After preupgrade from F12 to F13, I've noticed the following in Evolution: * The new-mail indicator in the notification area doesn't show up. (I asked about this before, but nobody replied. Do I now need the separate mail-notification) * Ctrl-A does not select all visible messages. In fact, it does nothing. * The first message selected in a window doesn't change status from unread to read until I change it by hand. * If I report a message as spam, it used to disappear from the window. I assume it was marked as junk at the same time. But now, it stays visible and I have to delete it or mark it junk by hand. Has anyone noticed these behaviors? Are they intentional changes? Or should I report them to Bugzilla? TIA. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
pdf paper format
I recently got some documents from a college, and need to print them to submit. They came in pdf format, and will not print. The issue seems to be that the documents are save for use on A4 paper, not letter. Is there some utility which allows changing of the paper format easily? I can do the pdf=postscript and postscript=graphic_image conversions and print scaled, but if there's a tool which saves the time and effort I'd rather use it. Any ideas? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We can't solve today's problems by using the same thinking we used in creating them. - Einstein -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution oddities in F13
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 19:33 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: After preupgrade from F12 to F13, I've noticed the following in Evolution: * The new-mail indicator in the notification area doesn't show up. (I asked about this before, but nobody replied. Do I now need the separate mail-notification) * Ctrl-A does not select all visible messages. In fact, it does nothing. * The first message selected in a window doesn't change status from unread to read until I change it by hand. * If I report a message as spam, it used to disappear from the window. I assume it was marked as junk at the same time. But now, it stays visible and I have to delete it or mark it junk by hand. Has anyone noticed these behaviors? Are they intentional changes? Or should I report them to Bugzilla? I have noticed the lack of notification for new mail too. I'm installing the mail notification plugin now. I hadn't noticed the lack of update but I generally delete after reading. I never mark spam as I have little interest in per-user junk management and rely upon my server/cyrus-imapd/sieve to deal with spam. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: pdf paper format
On 06/06/2010 07:34 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: I recently got some documents from a college, and need to print them to submit. They came in pdf format, and will not print. The issue seems to be that the documents are save for use on A4 paper, not letter. Is there some utility which allows changing of the paper format easily? I can do the pdf=postscript and postscript=graphic_image conversions and print scaled, but if there's a tool which saves the time and effort I'd rather use it. Any ideas? What pdf viewer are you using? I use Adobe's (acroread) on F11 and it automatically resizes the document based on the paper in the printer. My printer is A4 and I often get documents from the US and print without problem. Also evince has settings for paper size in the printer setup. -- Everything ends badly. Otherwise it wouldn't end. 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市 八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution oddities in F13
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 19:33 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: * The new-mail indicator in the notification area doesn't show up. (I asked about this before, but nobody replied. Do I now need the separate mail-notification) I hadn't noticed, but you are right. I just tried installing mail-notification-evolution-plugin; it still doesn't work, but now I the Mail Notification Properties window opens every time I log in. * Ctrl-A does not select all visible messages. In fact, it does nothing. Works for me. * The first message selected in a window doesn't change status from unread to read until I change it by hand. Same here - but it also behaved that way on F12. Personally, I like that behaviour. * If I report a message as spam, it used to disappear from the window. I assume it was marked as junk at the same time. But now, it stays visible and I have to delete it or mark it junk by hand. Works for me. It can take several seconds while sa-learn processes the message, but it does work. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
No terminal bell in compiz
In gnome-terminal, echo -e '\007' plays the alert sound that's set in Preferences → Sound. When I start Compiz, the alert sound is no longer played. The Audible Bell setting in Compiz config settings is definitely enabled, but the alert sound does not get played. If I stop Compiz, the terminal bell starts working again. pgpR1SJYrhhTv.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution oddities in F13
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 19:33 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: After preupgrade from F12 to F13, I've noticed the following in Evolution: * The new-mail indicator in the notification area doesn't show up. (I asked about this before, but nobody replied. Do I now need the separate mail-notification) * Ctrl-A does not select all visible messages. In fact, it does nothing. * The first message selected in a window doesn't change status from unread to read until I change it by hand. * If I report a message as spam, it used to disappear from the window. I assume it was marked as junk at the same time. But now, it stays visible and I have to delete it or mark it junk by hand. Has anyone noticed these behaviors? Are they intentional changes? Or should I report them to Bugzilla? OK, I installed mail-notification-evolution-plugin but I still don't get any notifications but I can see that the evolution-data-server is not automatically starting up when I first launch evolution like previous versions so I suspect that the problem lies somewhere within. Control-A does work for me but it is (and to my recollection always was) context sensitive. If you click on a message and then press control-A, it selects all messages but if you are reading a specific message and then press Control-A, it selects the contents of that message. It does change the status from unread to read after 1.5 seconds (per my preferences). Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution oddities in F13
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 19:33 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: Ctrl-A does not select all visible messages. In fact, it does nothing. For me, I have to press Ctrl-A twice for some reason. (Odd, certainly; but since I almost never use the select all functionality, it doesn't bother me.) * The first message selected in a window doesn't change status from unread to read until I change it by hand. Works for me(tm). Check your Mail Preferences, and ensure that the Mark messages as read after ___ seconds option is enabled and tuned to your desired time. * If I report a message as spam, it used to disappear from the window. I assume it was marked as junk at the same time. But now, it stays visible and I have to delete it or mark it junk by hand. Which junk filter are you using? When I upgraded my laptop, I had to manually install the evolution-bogofilter package and enable it in Evolution's mail preferences. Hope that helps. -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) pe...@thecodergeek.com Who am I? :: http://thecodergeek.com/about-me signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Looking for multi-DVD spanning archiver
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 19:45 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: I want to off-load the entire /pub/fedora/linux/releases/13/Everything/ directory (46,864 items, totalling 59.7 GB) to a modest stack of single- or dual-layer DVD-Rs. Is there a multi-DVD spanning archiver capability in F13? Ideally I'd like to use an application that writes and reads directly to/from a DVD drive and prompts for the next disc until done. tar will do volumes. You will want to write a small script to prompt you, probably. The problem is not that there is no capability, but there are so many. Clarifying your needs for features like restoring individual files, encryption, Bill, Thanks, but I think you're reading way too much into my request. File sizes in the .../Everything directory range from a few 27-char soft links to a ginormous 883,104,197-char nexuiz-data-2.5.2-1.fc13.src.rpm. I want to be able to copy that directory with all its subordinate directories, files, ownerships, permissions, etc. onto a minimum number of DVDs. Ideally I'd want to pop all those discs into a DVD drive on a new machine and use 'cp -a' to recreate the .../Everything directory. 'discspan', a Python script suggested by Richard Shaw, appears to fill the bill very nicely. Unfortunately it just crapped out after burning the first DVD-R on an RHEL5 server actually hosting the .../Everything directory. I'm about to retry from an F13 laptop and an NFS/autofs link. If it successfully gets past the disc #1 to #2 transition under F13, it should finish after 14 DVD-R discs. I'll let you know in a few hours. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: gtk stock icons missing
N James Bridge ja...@xmas.demon.co.uk wrote: I don't know if this is a fedora problem or a gtk one... Neither, just your typo, the stock id is gtk-close. Other languages may let you interchange - and _, C API doesn't. You should have noticed button's label was coerced into gtkclose, instead your locale's representation for Close. Compile and run it again after: $ sed -i s/gtk_close/gtk-close/ stock.c It seems that gtk can't find the directory with the images. The files needed seem to be in /usr/share/icons/gnome and show up in the gtk-demo program. However, Glade buttons selected from stock do not have the icons either. Activating /desktop/gnome/interface/buttons_have_icons could help: $ gconftool-2 -s /desktop/gnome/interface/buttons_have_icons -t bool 1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution oddities in F13
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 19:33 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: * The first message selected in a window doesn't change status from unread to read until I change it by hand. Above isn't a bug. It actually was suppose to do this same thing in F12 but there was a bug that prevented it. But this is the way it's suppose to work. It will change if you select on another one then come back to it. And if there are other emails in the folder, i think it will change status but can't remember. I thought it was a bug too during F13 testing but was told that isn't the case, done on purpose, via evolution upstream. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY Best lil town on Earth! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: pdf paper format
On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 07:54:31 +0800 Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 06/06/2010 07:34 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: I recently got some documents from a college, and need to print them to submit. They came in pdf format, and will not print. The issue seems to be that the documents are save for use on A4 paper, not letter. Is there some utility which allows changing of the paper format easily? I can do the pdf=postscript and postscript=graphic_image conversions and print scaled, but if there's a tool which saves the time and effort I'd rather use it. Any ideas? What pdf viewer are you using? I use Adobe's (acroread) on F11 and it automatically resizes the document based on the paper in the printer. My printer is A4 and I often get documents from the US and print without problem. Also evince has settings for paper size in the printer setup. And so does epdfview, in the printer - paper set up. ranjan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution oddities in F13
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 19:33 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: * The first message selected in a window doesn't change status from unread to read until I change it by hand. One of the annoying things about Evolution was that when you fired up the program, it'd display some message, and quickly mark it as read. However, you may not look at that message for some reason, so it's not actually been read. Tied in with that was another annoying default (I believe) action to hide read messages. So if you ran the program, then quit it, or it crashed, a message would disappear, and you wouldn't know which one it was. But if it hadn't mis-marked it as read, you could go back and read your unread mail. Apart from losing track of your mail, hiding read messages leads to people not clearing out their inbox. The program goes a bit doolally when thousands of messages remain in the inbox. * If I report a message as spam, it used to disappear from the window. I assume it was marked as junk at the same time. But now, it stays visible and I have to delete it or mark it junk by hand. That might be tied in with what I discussed above: Spam being marked as read, and the hiding of read messages. Both of which should have configuration options for you. Have a look through your preferences. I really really hate mail programs that play stupid games with the read flag. Only mail that I've actually read should get marked as read. i.e. When I leave the message and go to the next one, *that's* the time to mark a message as read. Not when it's first displayed, or a few seconds later. But when I've finished reading it. When mail clients play games with the read flag, marking junk as read, marking ignored messages as read, marking old messages as read, etc., etc., I can't tell what I've read or what it's mislabelled for me. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 08:56 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: I think I admitted that what I wanted to do made little sense but although separating / from /home in fdisk it is easy, it is pretty confusing to do in the GUI partitioner in the installer. I've never found it so. Create or pick your partition you're going to manipulate, play with the other options showing in the window, including the drop down list of mount points to be associated with it (somewhere at the top right of the screen, if I remember correctly). As I recall, you can even type in additional mount point names. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a walk-through of the steps in the install guide pages. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
