Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
On 06/26/2010 02:54 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 14:47 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> >> I don't use that repository...so it is meaningless to me. :-) >> > Your call, but you don't need to have it enabled permanently (I don't). > Just do: > > yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update thunderbird > > IMHO that's more likely to work than installing the TB tarball, and > keeps your package db informed. > > Yes, it may be more work. I'd also have to keep track of what was going into updates-testing which in and of itself is work...at least for me. However, in looking back at what the OP did it is apparent that he did download from Mozilla. So, in the spirit of trying to reproduce the problem without introducing additional variables. -- "Life sucks, but it's better than the alternative." -- Peter da Silva 葛 斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 14:47 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/26/2010 02:46 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 14:29 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > >> Since we are talking about TB 3.1.1 and since the most recent version > >> available via the F13 repository is 3.0.5-1 ... :-) > >> > > TB 3.1 has been pushed to updates-testing. > > > > > > > I don't use that repository...so it is meaningless to me. :-) Your call, but you don't need to have it enabled permanently (I don't). Just do: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update thunderbird IMHO that's more likely to work than installing the TB tarball, and keeps your package db informed. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Request for a K3B enhancement... multiple disk data splitting.
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 00:19 +, g wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > What about the people who want to store on tapes (they exist!). Should we > > change the tape archiving software as well? > > tape archiving, ie, cpio and tar, as well as any good tape program, already > have ability to store to more than one tape. > > it is primarily cd/dvd programs that are lacking in ability. Neither tar nor cpio force you to use tape. In fact they are usually not used with tape at all and could potentially be used to prep the files for the burning program. For example, the "--info-script" option of tar could be used to allow changing the optical media between groups of files, provided a command-line burner such as growisofs was used. Alternatively, it would not be too difficult to write a script to traverse the set of files to be backed up and batch them as subdirectories containing symlinks to the real files. Then just burn the contents of each subdir using K3B or whatever. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
On 06/26/2010 02:46 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 14:29 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> Since we are talking about TB 3.1.1 and since the most recent version >> available via the F13 repository is 3.0.5-1 ... :-) >> > TB 3.1 has been pushed to updates-testing. > > > I don't use that repository...so it is meaningless to me. :-) -- Bender: A woman like that you gotta romance first! 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北 市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
Ed Greshko wrote: > Since we are talking about TB 3.1.1 and since the most recent version > available via the F13 repository is 3.0.5-1 ... :-) ok. i have not installed f13 or reinstalled f12 yet, i was not able to check versions and did not recall what was being used. i use scientific linux 5.4 for my internet access and email. using thunderbird 2.0.0.24. no update jumps for thunderbird yet. there is an update out for firefox from 3.0.19 to 3.6 due to security issues. from what i have seen on firefox list, i may end up regretting having to make move. but security is reason enough for 'grin and bare it'. > mozilla releases these as tar files. There is no "default". true, but i consider using '/usr/local' as default for tared progs. tho it really could be called 'normal'. thanks for replies. later. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 14:29 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > Since we are talking about TB 3.1.1 and since the most recent version > available via the F13 repository is 3.0.5-1 ... :-) TB 3.1 has been pushed to updates-testing. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Missing files from rom package
I installed tog-pegasus-2.9.0-10.fc13.i686 and found that the following files, which are listed as provided by the package are missing even after removing and re installing the package via yum. To wit: these files are missing: /usr/bin/cimmof-32 /usr/bin/cimmofl-32 /usr/bin/cimprovider-32 /usr/bin/osinfo-32 /usr/bin/wbemexec-32 /usr/sbin/cimauth-32 /usr/sbin/cimconfig-32 /usr/sbin/cimprovagt-32 /usr/sbin/cimserver-32 /usr/sbin/cimsub-32 /usr/sbin/cimuser-32 /usr/sbin/repupgrade-32 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
>>> did you install tb 3.1.1 to /usr/local/ or /usr/lib/? >>> >>> >> /usr/local/mozilla/thunderbird >> > interesting. > > was that a 'yum' from fedora, or did you pull from mozilla? > Since we are talking about TB 3.1.1 and since the most recent version available via the F13 repository is 3.0.5-1 ... :-) > if yum, did you redirect it? > > if pulled from mozilla, that was default? > mozilla releases these as tar files. There is no "default". -- Actors will happen even in the best-regulated families. 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: libedataserver dependency problem
Use '--skip-broken' for now to apply other updates and skip this one, and just wait for it to be fixed. ;( It's unfortunate that this update went out in this state. :( Efforts like autoqa and critical path testing would have caught this, but they are not yet live. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: libedataserver dependency problem
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 21:33 -0700, Michael Hannon wrote: > Greetings. I hope this doesn't distract anyone from the discussion of > top > posting, but I'm getting a dependency problem when doing a yum update > on a > freshly-installed, f13, x86_64 system. It's been noted on the Fedora Test list. I'm also getting it. Usually when this sort of thing happens you just wait a day or two and try again. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
Ed Greshko wrote: >> did you install tb 3.1.1 to /usr/local/ or /usr/lib/? >> > /usr/local/mozilla/thunderbird interesting. was that a 'yum' from fedora, or did you pull from mozilla? if yum, did you redirect it? if pulled from mozilla, that was default? >> enigmail 1.1 or 1.1.1? >> > 1.1.1 ok. ria, curious for future reference. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Top posting
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 11:32 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 15:06 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > bottom-posting has been the standard on Usenet for basically forever, > > To be pedantic, no it hasn't. ;-) > > Usenet quoting style has traditionally been "interspersed" (replying > in-line, throughout the message), which is not the same as bottom > posting (putting the entire reply below the entire prior post (or as > much of it as kept). > > Interspersed being the easiest to read and understand, and naturally > lends itself to trimming. Since you're going through the message as you > respond, it's easy to delete unnecessary portions, and not much more > work than you're already doing in responding. You're right Tim. In fact when I say bottom-posting I'm subconsciously referring to the interspersed style. Sorry for the confusion. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: libedataserver dependency problem
On Fr, Jun 25, 2010 at 09:33:26 -0700, Michael Hannon wrote: > Greetings. I hope this doesn't distract anyone from the discussion of top > posting, but I'm getting a dependency problem when doing a yum update on a > freshly-installed, f13, x86_64 system. > > Basically, it appears that some of the gnome applications require a version of > libedataserver that is older than the one that is currently installed. Please > see the appended for details. > > I haven't done much tweaking of this system and none at all that would affect > the gnome applications. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks. > > -- Mike > > > # yum update > Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit > Setting up Update Process > Resolving Dependencies > --> Running transaction check > ---> Package empathy.x86_64 0:2.30.1.1-1.fc13 set to be updated > ---> Package evolution.x86_64 0:2.30.2-1.fc13 set to be updated > --> Processing Dependency: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) for package: > gnome-panel-2.30.0-1.fc13.x86_64 > --> Processing Dependency: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) for package: > empathy-2.30.1.1-1.fc13.x86_64 > --> Processing Dependency: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) for package: > nautilus-sendto-2.28.4-1.fc13.x86_64 > ---> Package evolution-data-server.x86_64 0:2.30.2-2.fc13 set to be updated > ---> Package evolution-data-server-devel.x86_64 0:2.30.2-2.fc13 set to be > updated > ---> Package evolution-help.noarch 0:2.30.2-1.fc13 set to be updated > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: Package: gnome-panel-2.30.0-1.fc13.x86_64 > (@anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130101.x86_64) >Requires: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) >Removing: evolution-data-server-2.30.1-2.fc13.x86_64 > (@anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130101.x86_64) > Error: Package: empathy-2.30.1.1-1.fc13.x86_64 (updates) >Requires: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) >Removing: evolution-data-server-2.30.1-2.fc13.x86_64 > (@anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130101.x86_64) > Error: Package: nautilus-sendto-2.28.4-1.fc13.x86_64 > (@anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130101.x86_64) >Requires: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) >Removing: evolution-data-server-2.30.1-2.fc13.x86_64 > (@anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130101.x86_64) > You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem > You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest Same here! Greetings Mario -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT d(-) s+(++):+(++) a+ C+++() UBLC+++() P++ L+++() E--- W+++ N++ o+ K- !w !O !M !V PS++ PE++ Y+ PGP+++ t 5 X R+++ tv b DI++ D+++ G++ e h r+++ y+++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Impossible to find folder which contains kernel headers
On Friday 25 June 2010 09:47 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > > $ rpm -qil kernel-headers > > This will list all of the component files and their locations. > I believe there is no need for the i. This should suffice, $ rpm -ql kernel-headers > --Doc > -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
Le 26/06/2010 05:39, Steven Stern a écrit : > Does anyone have enigmail 1.1 working with Thunderbird 3.1? > > I've installed tbird 3.1 in /usr/local and updated enigmail to version > 1.1. When I start, it says it's unable to start gpg-agent. gpg-agent is > installed, from the rpm gnupg2-2.0.14-2.fc13.i686 Thunderbird 3.1 is on the road to F-13 updates-testing Enigmail 1.1.1 is on the road to rpmfusion + -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: libedataserver dependency problem
2010/6/26 Michael Hannon : > Greetings. I hope this doesn't distract anyone from the discussion of top > posting, but I'm getting a dependency problem when doing a yum update on a > freshly-installed, f13, x86_64 system. > > Basically, it appears that some of the gnome applications require a version of > libedataserver that is older than the one that is currently installed. Please > see the appended for details. > > I haven't done much tweaking of this system and none at all that would affect > the gnome applications. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks. > > -- Mike > > > # yum update > Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit > Setting up Update Process > Resolving Dependencies > --> Running transaction check > ---> Package empathy.x86_64 0:2.30.1.1-1.fc13 set to be updated > ---> Package evolution.x86_64 0:2.30.2-1.fc13 set to be updated > --> Processing Dependency: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) for package: > gnome-panel-2.30.0-1.fc13.x86_64 > --> Processing Dependency: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) for package: > empathy-2.30.1.1-1.fc13.x86_64 > --> Processing Dependency: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) for package: > nautilus-sendto-2.28.4-1.fc13.x86_64 > ---> Package evolution-data-server.x86_64 0:2.30.2-2.fc13 set to be updated > ---> Package evolution-data-server-devel.x86_64 0:2.30.2-2.fc13 set to be > updated > ---> Package evolution-help.noarch 0:2.30.2-1.fc13 set to be updated > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: Package: gnome-panel-2.30.0-1.fc13.x86_64 > (@anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130101.x86_64) > Requires: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) > Removing: evolution-data-server-2.30.1-2.fc13.x86_64 > (@anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130101.x86_64) > Error: Package: empathy-2.30.1.1-1.fc13.x86_64 (updates) > Requires: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) > Removing: evolution-data-server-2.30.1-2.fc13.x86_64 > (@anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130101.x86_64) > Error: Package: nautilus-sendto-2.28.4-1.fc13.x86_64 > (@anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130101.x86_64) > Requires: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) > Removing: evolution-data-server-2.30.1-2.fc13.x86_64 > (@anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130101.x86_64) > You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem > You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest > > > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > I confirm what Michael says... -- Antonio Montagnani Skype : amontag52 SIP: antoniomon...@ekiga.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
On 06/26/2010 01:17 PM, g wrote: > >> I just downloaded and installed tbird 3.1.1 RC2 and enigmail 1.1. >> >> Works fine on F13 under KDE. >> > did you install tb 3.1.1 to /usr/local/ or /usr/lib/? > /usr/local/mozilla/thunderbird > enigmail 1.1 or 1.1.1? > 1.1.1 -- Happiness isn't something you experience; it's something you remember. -- Oscar Levant 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
Ed Greshko wrote: > I just downloaded and installed tbird 3.1.1 RC2 and enigmail 1.1. > > Works fine on F13 under KDE. did you install tb 3.1.1 to /usr/local/ or /usr/lib/? enigmail 1.1 or 1.1.1? > > Ed > > -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: DNS services no longer work due to missing files
I did a little more investigating and I discovered the following: yum provides */production/bg.conf dnssec-conf-1.21-8.fc12.noarch : DNSSEC and DLV configuration and priming tool Repo: updates Matched from: Filename: /etc/pki/dnssec-keys/production/bg.conf So I tried to install dnssec-conf yum -y install dnssec-conf and I get Setting up Install Process Package dnssec-conf-1.21-8.fc12.noarch is obsoleted by unbound-1.4.4-2.fc12.i686 which is already installed Nothing to do rpm -ql unbound /etc/rc.d/init.d/unbound /etc/unbound /etc/unbound/dlv.isc.org.key /etc/unbound/unbound.conf /usr/sbin/unbound /usr/sbin/unbound-checkconf /usr/sbin/unbound-control /usr/sbin/unbound-control-setup /usr/sbin/unbound-host /usr/share/doc/unbound-1.4.4 /usr/share/doc/unbound-1.4.4/CREDITS /usr/share/doc/unbound-1.4.4/FEATURES /usr/share/doc/unbound-1.4.4/LICENSE /usr/share/doc/unbound-1.4.4/README /usr/share/man/man1/unbound-host.1.gz /usr/share/man/man3/libunbound.3.gz /usr/share/man/man5/unbound.conf.5.gz /usr/share/man/man8/unbound-checkconf.8.gz /usr/share/man/man8/unbound-control.8.gz /usr/share/man/man8/unbound.8.gz /var/run/unbound It looks like there are either missing files or a dependency problem. Paolo On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Paolo Galtieri wrote: > I just updated one of my Fedora 12 system. This particular system is > running a local dns server. When I try to restart named on the system I > get: > > Starting named: > Error in named configuration: > /etc/pki/dnssec-keys//named.dnssec.keys:1: open: > /etc/pki/dnssec-keys//production/bg.conf: file not found > > rpm -qf /etc/pki/dnssec-keys/named.dnssec.keys > file /etc/pki/dnssec-keys/named.dnssec.keys is not owned by any package > > yum provides /etc/pki/dnssec-keys//production/se.conf > Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, fastestmirror, refresh-packagekit > Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile > * fedora: mirror.stanford.edu > * rpmfusion-free: mirror.liberty.edu > * rpmfusion-free-updates: mirror.liberty.edu > * rpmfusion-nonfree: mirror.liberty.edu > * rpmfusion-nonfree-updates: mirror.liberty.edu > * updates: ftp.usf.edu > No Matches found > > So what do I do to restore things to a working configuration? > > Paolo > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
On 06/26/2010 11:39 AM, Steven Stern wrote: > Does anyone have enigmail 1.1 working with Thunderbird 3.1? > > I've installed tbird 3.1 in /usr/local and updated enigmail to version > 1.1. When I start, it says it's unable to start gpg-agent. gpg-agent is > installed, from the rpm gnupg2-2.0.14-2.fc13.i686 > > > I just downloaded and installed tbird 3.1.1 RC2 and enigmail 1.1. Works fine on F13 under KDE. Ed -- "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup." 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Impossible to find folder which contains kernel headers
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 23:39 -0500, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 12:23 +0800, Brett wrote: > > Hi, > > I am trying to get vmware player running on Fedora 13, and during the setup > > vmware player is unable to locate the kernel headers (PAE). I have used the > > "search for files" function to find the location of the kernel headers > > (including "show hiddden & backup files") yet the are nowhere to be found. > > Yet Gnome Package Mngr says they are installed. Could someone tell me the > > location so I can tell the vmware player wizard? Please no redirection to > > shell scripts that do not work, just the location :-) > > I know Fedora is designed with security in mind, but does not > > secure/hidden/obscured to the point of unusable defeat the purpose? > Brett, > > Take a deep breath. Then, as root, run this one-liner: > > # yum install kernel-headers > > Most of us who have been down the VMware road have encountered potholes > like this. Some day you'll look back and laugh. Brett, I should have followed up by saying, when you're sure the kernel-headers package is installed, all you need to do is: $ rpm -qil kernel-headers This will list all of the component files and their locations. --Doc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
Steven Stern wrote: > Does anyone have enigmail 1.1 working with Thunderbird 3.1? > > I've installed tbird 3.1 in /usr/local and updated enigmail to version > 1.1. When I start, it says it's unable to start gpg-agent. gpg-agent is > installed, from the rpm gnupg2-2.0.14-2.fc13.i686 enigmail v1.1.1 is release for thunderbird 3.1 32 bit. see; http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ you installed thunderbird in /usr/local, but default is '/usr/lib/thunderbird-x/'. not for sure, but this may be a part of problem. you show gpg as .i686, a 32 bit version. is thunderbird 32 bit? if not, then a problem. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Impossible to find folder which contains kernel headers
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 12:23 +0800, Brett wrote: > Hi, > I am trying to get vmware player running on Fedora 13, and during the setup > vmware player is unable to locate the kernel headers (PAE). I have used the > "search for files" function to find the location of the kernel headers > (including "show hiddden & backup files") yet the are nowhere to be found. > Yet Gnome Package Mngr says they are installed. Could someone tell me the > location so I can tell the vmware player wizard? Please no redirection to > shell scripts that do not work, just the location :-) > I know Fedora is designed with security in mind, but does not > secure/hidden/obscured to the point of unusable defeat the purpose? Brett, Take a deep breath. Then, as root, run this one-liner: # yum install kernel-headers Most of us who have been down the VMware road have encountered potholes like this. Some day you'll look back and laugh. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
libedataserver dependency problem
Greetings. I hope this doesn't distract anyone from the discussion of top posting, but I'm getting a dependency problem when doing a yum update on a freshly-installed, f13, x86_64 system. Basically, it appears that some of the gnome applications require a version of libedataserver that is older than the one that is currently installed. Please see the appended for details. I haven't done much tweaking of this system and none at all that would affect the gnome applications. Any suggestions? Thanks. -- Mike # yum update Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit Setting up Update Process Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package empathy.x86_64 0:2.30.1.1-1.fc13 set to be updated ---> Package evolution.x86_64 0:2.30.2-1.fc13 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) for package: gnome-panel-2.30.0-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) for package: empathy-2.30.1.1-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) for package: nautilus-sendto-2.28.4-1.fc13.x86_64 ---> Package evolution-data-server.x86_64 0:2.30.2-2.fc13 set to be updated ---> Package evolution-data-server-devel.x86_64 0:2.30.2-2.fc13 set to be updated ---> Package evolution-help.noarch 0:2.30.2-1.fc13 set to be updated --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Package: gnome-panel-2.30.0-1.fc13.x86_64 (@anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130101.x86_64) Requires: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) Removing: evolution-data-server-2.30.1-2.fc13.x86_64 (@anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130101.x86_64) Error: Package: empathy-2.30.1.1-1.fc13.x86_64 (updates) Requires: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) Removing: evolution-data-server-2.30.1-2.fc13.x86_64 (@anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130101.x86_64) Error: Package: nautilus-sendto-2.28.4-1.fc13.x86_64 (@anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130101.x86_64) Requires: libedataserver-1.2.so.11()(64bit) Removing: evolution-data-server-2.30.1-2.fc13.x86_64 (@anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130101.x86_64) You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
DNS services no longer work due to missing files
I just updated one of my Fedora 12 system. This particular system is running a local dns server. When I try to restart named on the system I get: Starting named: Error in named configuration: /etc/pki/dnssec-keys//named.dnssec.keys:1: open: /etc/pki/dnssec-keys//production/bg.conf: file not found rpm -qf /etc/pki/dnssec-keys/named.dnssec.keys file /etc/pki/dnssec-keys/named.dnssec.keys is not owned by any package yum provides /etc/pki/dnssec-keys//production/se.conf Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, fastestmirror, refresh-packagekit Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile * fedora: mirror.stanford.edu * rpmfusion-free: mirror.liberty.edu * rpmfusion-free-updates: mirror.liberty.edu * rpmfusion-nonfree: mirror.liberty.edu * rpmfusion-nonfree-updates: mirror.liberty.edu * updates: ftp.usf.edu No Matches found So what do I do to restore things to a working configuration? Paolo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Impossible to find folder which contains kernel headers
Hi, I am trying to get vmware player running on Fedora 13, and during the setup vmware player is unable to locate the kernel headers (PAE). I have used the "search for files" function to find the location of the kernel headers (including "show hiddden & backup files") yet the are nowhere to be found. Yet Gnome Package Mngr says they are installed. Could someone tell me the location so I can tell the vmware player wizard? Please no redirection to shell scripts that do not work, just the location :-) I know Fedora is designed with security in mind, but does not secure/hidden/obscured to the point of unusable defeat the purpose? Brett. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 20:48 -0700, JD wrote: > > On 06/25/2010 04:58 PM, Tom Horsley was caught red-handed while writing:: > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:24:09 -0700 > > Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > > > > > >> But... at what cost? > >> > >> You want google hold your messages and do whatever > >> they deem fit with it? > >> > > Why shucks! Their company slogan is "Don't be evil", > > surely we can trust them (or was it "To Serve Man", I forget). > > And now they'll hold all your voicemail for you for free > > with the new google voice service, and track your > > position for free by following your android phone, > > and backup all your files for free through your unsecured > > wi-fi access point. Golly! How could anyone be > > paranoid about such a wonderful company... > > (Anyone remember the movie "The President's Analyst" :-) > > > Did not google's founder expose a Chinese dissident's > identity to China's government and the executed him? getting way afield from Fedora discussion but just to be more accurate, it was Yahoo and no, they didn't execute him. http://www.institutehrb.org/blogs/staff/google_china_decision_remarkable_courageous_and_far-reaching.html As for Tom's insinuation about Google - you are free to not use their services if you don't want to. There's little privacy on the Internet anyway but Google manages to eek a profit from providing advertising services that are somewhat easy to overlook but are ever present. Google is probably the least evil of all large corporations but of course things can always change over time but they do contribute a lot of GPL code, sponsor many open source lists, etc. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On 06/25/2010 04:58 PM, Tom Horsley was caught red-handed while writing:: > On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:24:09 -0700 > Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > > >> But... at what cost? >> >> You want google hold your messages and do whatever >> they deem fit with it? >> > Why shucks! Their company slogan is "Don't be evil", > surely we can trust them (or was it "To Serve Man", I forget). > And now they'll hold all your voicemail for you for free > with the new google voice service, and track your > position for free by following your android phone, > and backup all your files for free through your unsecured > wi-fi access point. Golly! How could anyone be > paranoid about such a wonderful company... > (Anyone remember the movie "The President's Analyst" :-) > Did not google's founder expose a Chinese dissident's identity to China's government and the executed him? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
32-bit upgrade fails on Thinkpad
I'm hoping this is a known problem with an easy work-around. It looks
like an RPM versioning problem of some sort, but I'm not 100% sure.
I have a rusty trusty old IBM Thinkpad A22p with a 32-bit PIII/M
processor and 512MB. I've tried F12->F13 upgrades from ISO images on
local hard drive (/dev/sdb1), an nfs mount, and on a local DVD that
tests OK. The only change I've made to a bone stock installation is to
append "vesa" to the Install/Upgrade command line to deal with an
uncooperative ATI video.
All of these upgrade attempts fail when I click on Next at the boot
loader dialog screen:
[X] Install boot loader on /dev/sda. [Change device]
[ ] Use a boot loader password
Boot loader operating system list
Default LabelDevice
(*) Fedora /dev/sda2
The error is:
"An unhandled exception has occurred. This is
most likely a bug. Please save a copy of the
detailed exception and file a bug report."
The saved Details file is quite large (5731 lines, 400K). Its first 23
lines are:
anaconda 13.42 exception report
Traceback (most recent call first):
File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 944, in
_getsysver
idx = ts.dbMatch('provides', distroverpkg)
File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 834, in
readStartupConfig
startupconf.releasever = _getsysver(startupconf.installroot,
startupconf.distroverpkg)
File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 255, in
_getConfig
startupconf = config.readStartupConfig(fn, root)
File "/usr/lib/anaconda/yuminstall.py", line 664, in doConfigSetup
YumSorter._getConfig(self)
File "/usr/lib/anaconda/yuminstall.py", line 361, in setup
self.doConfigSetup(root=self.anaconda.rootPath)
File "/usr/lib/anaconda/yuminstall.py", line 1155, in doBackendSetup
self.ayum.setup()
File "/usr/lib/anaconda/backend.py", line 282, in doBackendSetup
if anaconda.backend.doBackendSetup(anaconda) == DISPATCH_BACK:
File "/usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py", line 205, in moveStep
rc = stepFunc(self.anaconda)
File "/usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py", line 126, in gotoNext
self.moveStep()
File "/usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py", line 1313, in nextClicked
self.anaconda.dispatch.gotoNext()
error: rpmdb open failed
I'm re-using the existing hard drive layouts:
Data Storage Devices Install Target Devices
Model CapacityBoot Model Capacity
ATA IC25N080ATMR04-0 76319 MB -> ( ) ATA IC25N080ATMR04-0 76319 MB
ATA ST9120821A114473 MB(*) ATA ST9120821A114473 MB
Please Select A Device
Size Mount Point/
Device (MB) RAID/Volume Type Format
Hard Drives
sda
sda1 300 /bootext4
sda2 113146 /ext4
sda3 1024 swap
sdb
sdb176316 /pub ext3
After saving the Details to a file on /mnt/sysimage/pub
(actually /dev/sdb1) and exit the installer, I see the following text:
Running anaconda 13.42, the Fedora system installer - please wait
02:31:42 Starting graphical installation
rpmdb: Program version 4.8 doesn't match environment version 4.7
error: db3 error(-30971) from dbenv->open: DB_VERSION_MISMATCH:
Database environment version mismatch
error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - (-30971)
error: cannot open Packages database in /mnt/sysimage/var/lib/rpm
install exited abnormally [1/1]
The system will be rebooted when you presss Ctrl-C or Ctrl-Alt-Delete
I've tried deleting and rebuilding the RPM database, but the error keeps
coming back.
--Doc Savage
Fairview Heights, IL
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Thunderbird 3.1 and enigmail
Does anyone have enigmail 1.1 working with Thunderbird 3.1? I've installed tbird 3.1 in /usr/local and updated enigmail to version 1.1. When I start, it says it's unable to start gpg-agent. gpg-agent is installed, from the rpm gnupg2-2.0.14-2.fc13.i686 -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:24:09 -0700 Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > But... at what cost? > > You want google hold your messages and do whatever > they deem fit with it? Why shucks! Their company slogan is "Don't be evil", surely we can trust them (or was it "To Serve Man", I forget). And now they'll hold all your voicemail for you for free with the new google voice service, and track your position for free by following your android phone, and backup all your files for free through your unsecured wi-fi access point. Golly! How could anyone be paranoid about such a wonderful company... (Anyone remember the movie "The President's Analyst" :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Top posting
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 15:06 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > bottom-posting has been the standard on Usenet for basically forever, To be pedantic, no it hasn't. ;-) Usenet quoting style has traditionally been "interspersed" (replying in-line, throughout the message), which is not the same as bottom posting (putting the entire reply below the entire prior post (or as much of it as kept). Interspersed being the easiest to read and understand, and naturally lends itself to trimming. Since you're going through the message as you respond, it's easy to delete unnecessary portions, and not much more work than you're already doing in responding. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: akonadi google resources for F13?
Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > Hello, > trying to use kmail/kontact with Google calendars/contacts integration and > found some web links regarding possible good results using > Akonadi Google Calendar > and > Akonadi Google Contacts This is still pending formal package review, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=551274 -- Rex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On 06/25/2010 09:26 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: Forgot one thing. For all the hosts you trust - google mx's, yahoo mx etc. Remove the GreetPause delay: e.g. GreetPause:mail-bw0-f1.google.com0 gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 14:54 -0700, JD wrote: > I wonder how Google does it. only .01% of my google email is spam. > The spam folder contains tons of spam, and it is automatically purged > by google. When you're a large mail host you have one big advantage in spam killing: You will receive tons of identical messages, many addressed to bogus users, or honeypot addresses (addresses that you leak out, somehow, that aren't for real mail use). When you receive large numbers of identical messages, especially to non-real addresses, you know that they're spam, and you can mark every single one of them as being spam with 100% confidence. You don't need to check for false positives, as no real mail will be sent to such addresses. Whereas it is possible for lots of users to receive identical mail, if you have lots of people subscribed to some popular lists. I've done that (honeypotting) in the past, and it's a reliable technique. Unlike many other anti-spam techniques which falsely identify so many real messages as being spam that they make using them a waste of time (if you're having to keep on checking your spam box, manually, there's no point in running anti-spam software). Not to mention the problems caused when users have no idea that they must check for false detections, and simply never see some of their mail. This is harder to do on an individual level, because most of your spam messages are different from each other. So you're left with trying to look for *similarities* to prior spam. Though it is possible to make use of other people's honeypotting data (the various anti-spam lists that you've seen discussed in other messages in this thread). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On 06/25/2010 05:56 PM, Greg Woods wrote: Historical thoughts on RBL: You've had several suggestions so just a couple of comments. The MAPS list (aka rbl) was an/the original DNSBL - if I remember right it went weird a long back and required you fill out a long legal doc (with a pen) which if your IP ever changed you needed to do the entire thing over again. There was a 'free' and a pay service. It got too tedious to be useful - since then Trend Micro purchased them and now sells the service - what is still easily accessible I dont know. The current way is to use the FEATURE(`enhdnsbl'). Many of these lists share a huge overlap in common - so adding the first RBL is a huge benefit - thereafter you may find little to no further benefit for each additional RBL you add. There is some cost to adding them tho' smallish for a home / small business site. Here are some of the things I do (feel free to ignore!) ... for me spam is not zero but but it mostly quiet - every now and again I get a new spurt of a few a week then it goes quiet again. 1) FEATURE(`enhdnsbl', `bl.spamcop.net', `', `t', `127.0.0.2.')dnl 2) FEATURE(`greet_pause', `3000')dnl I found 3 secs to work well for me you may tune as you see fit. ** 3) FEATURE(`block_bad_helo') dnl ** 4) FEATURE(`require_rdns') dnl 5) Maintain access list - - mine contains (large) number of netblocks - use senderbase to help identify netblocks and get more info about IP's. http://www.senderbase.org - only look at the last Received line hitting your mail server You may choose what you want to block here - e.g. residential IP's 6) I have also iptable Firewall blocks for undesirables (I use some country blocks in addition to a list of naughties) 7) run spamassasin (at the back end not the border server if you're running internal and border sendmails). Good luck ... :-) gene ** you will need FEATURE(delay_checks)dnl as well. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 02:46:24PM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > > I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers > of the offending email spammmers and add these respective > IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file, > but I am beginning to suspect that these headers could be > easily spoofed with bogus entries, right? > > I am really getting tired of adding in entries into the access > file, and writing email filters (in thunderbird) for patterns > dumping spammers into the trash - and yet - I am still forced > to review the trash for entries that should not have been trashed. > Seems like a real chore and a losing proposition... > > What do admins of sendmail use, besides spamassasin? Well, I run sendmail here at home on a mostly single-user box for a domain with only two email users. For myself I run a copy of spambayes that is incoporated into the .procmailrc file, i.e., it is called therefrom, and depending on what it gives back, the mail is delivered to me normally, or it falls into "unsure" or "spam" mailboxes. It fairly seldom puts good mail into spam or unsure, and similarly seldom puts spam into the good mail, though it does happen. It's certainly the best filter I've run into (not that I've tried very many, mind you.) you can find spambayes, should you want it, on sourceforge. downside is it is intended to be set up for individual users rather than as a server tool. There may be ways to do it so it covers all users on the server, but I've never thought about how to do it. Good luck! Fred -- --- Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anything offered to me as the result of an unsolicited e-mail message. Nor will I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warnings to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival of the online community. --Roger Ebert, December, 1996 - The Boulder Pledge - -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 08:47 +0800, Harish Pillay wrote: > Daniel - > > > I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers > > of the offending email spammmers and add these respective > > IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file, > > but I am beginning to suspect that these headers could be > > easily spoofed with bogus entries, right? > > > > I am really getting tired of adding in entries into the access > > file, and writing email filters (in thunderbird) for patterns > > dumping spammers into the trash - and yet - I am still forced > > to review the trash for entries that should not have been trashed. > > Seems like a real chore and a losing proposition... > > > > What do admins of sendmail use, besides spamassasin? > > See http://harishpillay.livejournal.com/44948.html. I have been using > milter-greylist since late 2006 early 2007 and all I can say is that > spam has been reduced to less than 1% of what it used to be. > > I don't use spamassasin or any other filters for greylisting does > it very well for me. > > I am running that on a machine that receives mail for a domain > that has about 10K users and ever since it was turned on over > 3 years ago, the user base has been very happy. > > BTW, the system is running on a Fedora 13 system right now > but started life on a Fedora 7. I use postfix and sqlgrey for greylisting at all of my clients/installations and it's incredible but I still use MailScanner (http://www.mailscanner.info) which provides a wrapper for spamassassin & clamav. Even with greylisting, spamassassin will still identify spam coming through. I had no specific complaints about sendmail but I find the features much more easily accessible in postfix. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers > of the offending email spammmers and add these respective > IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file, > but I am beginning to suspect that these headers could be > easily spoofed with bogus entries, right? right. i will make you a suggestion for a method that i use and i have posted to other threads on this list and to thunderbird support list. call it what you want, *spam/junk/phishing*, it is all mail that you do not wish to see. because you are using thunderbird for you email client, set up your junk filtering to move junk email to 'Junk' folder and 'not mark as read'. in your 'tool bar', right click, select 'customize' and from 'customize toolbar' window drag 'Junk' icon to .tool bar', close window. if you read emails in single 'view' window, do same as above for it. when you receive a 'spam/junk/phishing' email, click on email to highlight and click 'Junk' icon on 'tool bar' to move it to 'Junk' folder. when viewing emails in 'view' window, and you have a 'spam/junk/phishing' email appear, click 'Junk' icon to move email to 'Junk' folder. once you have done this for a few emails, 'junk filters' will kick in and start sending 'spam/junk/phishing' emails to 'Junk' folder. when this happens, you will note 'Junk' folder in bold type and small red sun icon will appear. highlight 'Junk' folder to view 'Subject' and 'Sender' to verify that it is 'spam/junk/phishing' email. from time to time you will have 'spam/junk/phishing' emails come in thru list that you are subscribed to. just mark them as 'junk' and they will get sent to 'Junk' folder. this will cause a few good emails to be sent to 'Junk' folder and this is why you leave marked as 'unread' so 'Junk' folder will bold and show you have new 'spam/junk/phishing'. when you highlight email that is good and click 'Junk' icon as 'not junk', move to proper folder. this will take a few times to train thunderbird's junk filters, but it is well worth little effort it takes and you will catch email that 'sendmail' does not catch from headers. also, before readers try to tell me it will not work, try it yourself and you will find that it does. i used this method and it does work to catch what is not caught by my email service providers and has been doing so for several years. hth. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: uuid -> /dev/sdx partition resize
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Mikkel wrote: > On 06/25/2010 04:19 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Mikkel wrote: >>> You may have to re-install Grub. When you change the size of the >>> /boot partation, you may change the physical location of Grub's >>> stage 1.5 loader that understands the file system. Grub stage 1 only >>> understands physical drive position, not file systems. >>> >> >> Thanks Mikkel, >> >> That's what I wanted to know. So I will have to boot to linux rescue, >> chroot to the system and issue grub-install /dev/sda >> Does it matter if I use a F12 cd to do this on a F11 system? >> >> > No, it should not matter. You will still be using the Grub from F11 > anyway once you chroot. I have done it using a generic rescue disk. > > Mikkel > -- you can check is UUID changed in /etc/fstab and /boot/grub.conf if changed you need to update them new UUID is in ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ > > Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, > for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! > > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > -- http://etvillage.blogspot.com/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
Daniel - > I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers > of the offending email spammmers and add these respective > IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file, > but I am beginning to suspect that these headers could be > easily spoofed with bogus entries, right? > > I am really getting tired of adding in entries into the access > file, and writing email filters (in thunderbird) for patterns > dumping spammers into the trash - and yet - I am still forced > to review the trash for entries that should not have been trashed. > Seems like a real chore and a losing proposition... > > What do admins of sendmail use, besides spamassasin? See http://harishpillay.livejournal.com/44948.html. I have been using milter-greylist since late 2006 early 2007 and all I can say is that spam has been reduced to less than 1% of what it used to be. I don't use spamassasin or any other filters for greylisting does it very well for me. I am running that on a machine that receives mail for a domain that has about 10K users and ever since it was turned on over 3 years ago, the user base has been very happy. BTW, the system is running on a Fedora 13 system right now but started life on a Fedora 7. Regards. -- Harish Pillay h.pil...@ieee.org gpg id: 746809E3 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On 06/25/2010 04:20 PM, Daniel B. Thurman was caught red-handed while writing:: > Yeah, I did that and it does not contain that file. For > fun, I tried yum install rbl.m4, no dice. I have 8.14.x > so that's fairly "new" for F9... > > Guess I will have to scan the Internet for that file... > On page http://www.sfr-fresh.com/unix/misc/sendmail.8.14.4.tar.gz:a/sendmail-8.14.4/RELEASE_NOTES it says it is a deleted feature. To wit: 2786 Deleted Files: 2787 cf/feature/rbl.m4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Request for a K3B enhancement... multiple disk data splitting.
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > What about the people who want to store on tapes (they exist!). Should we > change the tape archiving software as well? tape archiving, ie, cpio and tar, as well as any good tape program, already have ability to store to more than one tape. it is primarily cd/dvd programs that are lacking in ability. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: uuid -> /dev/sdx partition resize
On 06/25/2010 04:19 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Mikkel wrote: >> You may have to re-install Grub. When you change the size of the >> /boot partation, you may change the physical location of Grub's >> stage 1.5 loader that understands the file system. Grub stage 1 only >> understands physical drive position, not file systems. >> > > Thanks Mikkel, > > That's what I wanted to know. So I will have to boot to linux rescue, > chroot to the system and issue grub-install /dev/sda > Does it matter if I use a F12 cd to do this on a F11 system? > > No, it should not matter. You will still be using the Grub from F11 anyway once you chroot. I have done it using a generic rescue disk. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: T-bird pop mail files -
Bob Goodwin wrote: > It seems I ask this question after every new Fedora release. How do > I go about transferring my Thunderbird pop mail files from this F-12 > computer to a second computer running F-13. and you will probably ask again. ;) in order to transfer your files, read and bookmark these links; http://kb.mozillazine.org/Backing_up_your_mail%2C_address_books%2C_and_settings http://kb.mozillazine.org/MozBackup http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_to_another_computer http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_folder http://kb.mozillazine.org/Transferring_data_to_a_new_profile_-_Thunderbird also, check links within pages. check at bottom of pages where they show 'see also' and 'external links' a 'cut and dry', easy method: in your old home directory, you will find a directory '.thunderbird'. 'cd' down thru path to 'profile' directory, where you will find a directory with a name of 'Mail' in it. below this is where your email accounts and 'Local Folders' are stored. copy the entire path from 'Mail' to a cd/dvd or 'usb memory stick' or 'usb disk drive'. open thunderbird in your new install and then close it. this will build your new '.thunderbird' in new install home directory. 'cd' down thru path to 'profile' directory, where you will find directory 'Mail'. rename to 'Mail.00' or what ever. you will also see a file in 'profile' directory named 'panacea.dat'. delete it. copy your old installation's 'Mail' from your backup to your 'profile' directory. open thunderbird in new install. thunderbird will take a few minutes to rebuild 'panacea.dat' for your accounts and emails. then it will open with 'account tree' collapsed. click [+] to left side of account names and 'Local Folders' and you will see all of you email folders restored. > I've been running Redhat and Fedora Linux since 1999 and have never > once succeeded in transferring my mail files. follow above links and 2010 will be year you will set history for a new achievement. :D questions? -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [OT] rather advanced video editing question
Suvayu Ali wrote: > Hope this was helpful. Yes, all of the help in this thread has been very helpful. Finally, I have gotten graphical Linux video editing tools to work! I spent quite a few hours last night with the video task that spawned this thread, but that was a learning experience that will help me step to new heights of experimentation in future endeavours. This is very, very encouraging. Yes, I am also most familiar with ffmpeg, but have never attempted anything this adventurous. Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: redirecting out of a command invoked by sudo fails
On 06/25/2010 03:44 PM, Greg Woods was caught red-handed while writing:: > On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 14:56 -0700, JD wrote: > > >>> >>> >> As I have already answered, let'ts not beat a dead horse. >> Issue already very well explained by Bill Crawford. >> No need for any followups. >> > No need to be so touchy. Sometimes messages cross in the mail. > > --Greg > > > Oh.. sorry if you sensed that I was being touchy - just wanted to quell further noise about a dumb question. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On 06/25/2010 03:24 PM, Daniel B. Thurman was caught red-handed while writing:: > On 06/25/2010 03:04 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > >> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:54:27 -0700 >> JD wrote: >> >> >>> I wonder how Google does it. only .01% of my google email is spam. >>> The spam folder contains tons of spam, and it is automatically purged >>> by google. >>> >>> > Probably they pay their workers to add all offending IP/Hosts > address into their /etc/mail/access files? LOL, just kidding. > >> Yea, I just use gmail as my mail provider and download the >> mail with fetchmail. I think one non-spam item wound up >> in my gmail spam folder in several months. >> >> > But... at what cost? > > You want google hold your messages and do whatever > they deem fit with it? Maybe I am such a fool when it comes > to privacy/security since Echelon/NSA gets `em all off the > Internet cloud anyway... and I am such a dreamer > [or an ignoramus] for having my own [private but public?] > email server... > > Oh well... I'll keep on dreaming... just for the [losing] > principle of it all... LOL > Seems that technology, which can be used to preserve privacy, is being deliberately used by big business and big gov to take it away. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On 06/25/2010 03:04 PM, Tom Horsley was caught red-handed while writing:: > On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:54:27 -0700 > JD wrote: > > >> I wonder how Google does it. only .01% of my google email is spam. >> The spam folder contains tons of spam, and it is automatically purged >> by google. >> > Yea, I just use gmail as my mail provider and download the > mail with fetchmail. I think one non-spam item wound up > in my gmail spam folder in several months. > So, does anyone know how google filters spam? I mean is it proprietary or do they use open source tools? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On 06/25/2010 04:20 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 06/25/2010 04:11 PM, jack craig wrote: On 06/25/2010 03:56 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 06/25/2010 02:57 PM, jack craig wrote: On 06/25/2010 02:46 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers of the offending email spammmers and add these respective IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file, but I am beginning to suspect that these headers could be easily spoofed with bogus entries, right? I am really getting tired of adding in entries into the access file, and writing email filters (in thunderbird) for patterns dumping spammers into the trash - and yet - I am still forced to review the trash for entries that should not have been trashed. Seems like a real chore and a losing proposition... What do admins of sendmail use, besides spamassasin? Thanks! Dan one approach is to use the black hole filters, confgure them for sendmail and that will catch a lot of bad addresses.. http://tldp.org/LDP/nag2/x15291.html (see 1.8.8.4.1. The Real-time Blackhole List) hth, ... -- Jack Craig Software Engineer 831.461.7100 x120 www.extraview.com Hmm... I reviewed this, added the FEATURE entry but unfortunately it is missing the corresponding mc file: m4:sendmail.mc:198: cannot open `/usr/share/sendmail-cf/feature/rbl.m4': No such file or directory Where can I get this mc file, do you know? try 'yum install sendmail-cf' ??? -- Jack Craig Software Engineer 831.461.7100 x120 www.extraview.com Yeah, I did that and it does not contain that file. For fun, I tried yum install rbl.m4, no dice. I have 8.14.x so that's fairly "new" for F9... Guess I will have to scan the Internet for that file... you might try... http://www.sendmail.org/m4/anti_spam.html -- Jack Craig Software Engineer 831.461.7100 x120 www.extraview.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On 06/25/2010 04:11 PM, jack craig wrote: On 06/25/2010 03:56 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 06/25/2010 02:57 PM, jack craig wrote: On 06/25/2010 02:46 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers of the offending email spammmers and add these respective IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file, but I am beginning to suspect that these headers could be easily spoofed with bogus entries, right? I am really getting tired of adding in entries into the access file, and writing email filters (in thunderbird) for patterns dumping spammers into the trash - and yet - I am still forced to review the trash for entries that should not have been trashed. Seems like a real chore and a losing proposition... What do admins of sendmail use, besides spamassasin? Thanks! Dan one approach is to use the black hole filters, confgure them for sendmail and that will catch a lot of bad addresses.. http://tldp.org/LDP/nag2/x15291.html (see 1.8.8.4.1. The Real-time Blackhole List) hth, ... -- Jack Craig Software Engineer 831.461.7100 x120 www.extraview.com Hmm... I reviewed this, added the FEATURE entry but unfortunately it is missing the corresponding mc file: m4:sendmail.mc:198: cannot open `/usr/share/sendmail-cf/feature/rbl.m4': No such file or directory Where can I get this mc file, do you know? try 'yum install sendmail-cf' ??? -- Jack Craig Software Engineer 831.461.7100 x120 www.extraview.com Yeah, I did that and it does not contain that file. For fun, I tried yum install rbl.m4, no dice. I have 8.14.x so that's fairly "new" for F9... Guess I will have to scan the Internet for that file... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On 06/25/2010 03:56 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 06/25/2010 02:57 PM, jack craig wrote: On 06/25/2010 02:46 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers of the offending email spammmers and add these respective IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file, but I am beginning to suspect that these headers could be easily spoofed with bogus entries, right? I am really getting tired of adding in entries into the access file, and writing email filters (in thunderbird) for patterns dumping spammers into the trash - and yet - I am still forced to review the trash for entries that should not have been trashed. Seems like a real chore and a losing proposition... What do admins of sendmail use, besides spamassasin? Thanks! Dan one approach is to use the black hole filters, confgure them for sendmail and that will catch a lot of bad addresses.. http://tldp.org/LDP/nag2/x15291.html (see 1.8.8.4.1. The Real-time Blackhole List) hth, ... -- Jack Craig Software Engineer 831.461.7100 x120 www.extraview.com Hmm... I reviewed this, added the FEATURE entry but unfortunately it is missing the corresponding mc file: m4:sendmail.mc:198: cannot open `/usr/share/sendmail-cf/feature/rbl.m4': No such file or directory Where can I get this mc file, do you know? try 'yum install sendmail-cf' ??? -- Jack Craig Software Engineer 831.461.7100 x120 www.extraview.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: T-bird pop mail files -
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 12:05 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > The computers are all tied to our LAN, I can put files on a flash > drive, cdrom, etc. but my effort never seem to be able to get the > job done. I will try anything ... Every mail client I have ever seen can import mbox files. You just have to find where they are, copy them across and import them to the new client. Other than that, how about using IMAP? Do that and you can forget about transferring mail files ever again. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 15:29 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> Are you talking about something like this from sendmail.mc:
>
> FEATURE(`dnsbl', `relays.ordb.org', `"Rejected due to Open Relay see
> http://www.ordb.org/lookup/?host="; $&{clientaddr} " for more
> information"')dnl
>
Yes, that is a DNS Block List (DNSBL). So is Spamhaus. There are a lot
of them out there.
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Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On 06/25/2010 02:57 PM, jack craig wrote: On 06/25/2010 02:46 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers of the offending email spammmers and add these respective IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file, but I am beginning to suspect that these headers could be easily spoofed with bogus entries, right? I am really getting tired of adding in entries into the access file, and writing email filters (in thunderbird) for patterns dumping spammers into the trash - and yet - I am still forced to review the trash for entries that should not have been trashed. Seems like a real chore and a losing proposition... What do admins of sendmail use, besides spamassasin? Thanks! Dan one approach is to use the black hole filters, confgure them for sendmail and that will catch a lot of bad addresses.. http://tldp.org/LDP/nag2/x15291.html (see 1.8.8.4.1. The Real-time Blackhole List) hth, ... -- Jack Craig Software Engineer 831.461.7100 x120 www.extraview.com Hmm... I reviewed this, added the FEATURE entry but unfortunately it is missing the corresponding mc file: m4:sendmail.mc:198: cannot open `/usr/share/sendmail-cf/feature/rbl.m4': No such file or directory Where can I get this mc file, do you know? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: redirecting out of a command invoked by sudo fails
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 14:56 -0700, JD wrote: > > > As I have already answered, let'ts not beat a dead horse. > Issue already very well explained by Bill Crawford. > No need for any followups. No need to be so touchy. Sometimes messages cross in the mail. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On 06/25/2010 02:57 PM, jack craig wrote: On 06/25/2010 02:46 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers of the offending email spammmers and add these respective IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file, but I am beginning to suspect that these headers could be easily spoofed with bogus entries, right? I am really getting tired of adding in entries into the access file, and writing email filters (in thunderbird) for patterns dumping spammers into the trash - and yet - I am still forced to review the trash for entries that should not have been trashed. Seems like a real chore and a losing proposition... What do admins of sendmail use, besides spamassasin? Thanks! Dan one approach is to use the black hole filters, confgure them for sendmail and that will catch a lot of bad addresses.. http://tldp.org/LDP/nag2/x15291.html (see 1.8.8.4.1. The Real-time Blackhole List) hth, ... -- Jack Craig Software Engineer 831.461.7100 x120 www.extraview.com Thanks for the tip, I'll review this! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Gnash cannot play YouTube movies
On 06/25/2010 03:31 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 25/06/10 11:02, Paul Smith wrote: > >> I have just installed Gnash on F13 x86_64, but I cannot play YouTube >> movies on Firefox. Any advice? >> > Use Adobe Flash, gnash hasn't kept pace iirc. > Yeah, I removed gnash and swfdec (I think), installed Adobe flash. Most of the time, gnash/swfdec fails for me, perhaps due to incompatible flash/uTube files, or so I think. With Adobe, I have not encountered any problems so far... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On 06/25/2010 02:56 PM, Greg Woods wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 14:46 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
>
>> I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers
>> of the offending email spammmers and add these respective
>> IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file,
>>
>
> Attempting to block the sender addresses will never work because they
> can so easily be forged. Attempting to block IP addresses of spammers by
> hand will not work either. Spammers these days use botnets, networks of
> thousands of compromised boxes, so that their IP addresses change
> rapidly. By the time you discover and enter one of their IP's, they've
> already moved on to another one.
>
Yes, that makes sense...
> What you need is a DNS-based block list which is maintained by people
> who are dedicated to keeping it up to date. This isn't perfect either
> but the reaction is far faster than you can ever do yourself. I use the
> Spamhaus XBL/SBL (www.spamhaus.org) for this both at work and at home;
> it catches 10 times more spams than our SpamAssassin-based content
> filters do.
>
> --Greg
>
Are you talking about something like this from sendmail.mc:
FEATURE(`dnsbl', `relays.ordb.org', `"Rejected due to Open Relay see
http://www.ordb.org/lookup/?host="; $&{clientaddr} " for more
information"')dnl
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Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On 06/25/2010 03:04 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:54:27 -0700 > JD wrote: > >> I wonder how Google does it. only .01% of my google email is spam. >> The spam folder contains tons of spam, and it is automatically purged >> by google. >> Probably they pay their workers to add all offending IP/Hosts address into their /etc/mail/access files? LOL, just kidding. > Yea, I just use gmail as my mail provider and download the > mail with fetchmail. I think one non-spam item wound up > in my gmail spam folder in several months. > But... at what cost? You want google hold your messages and do whatever they deem fit with it? Maybe I am such a fool when it comes to privacy/security since Echelon/NSA gets `em all off the Internet cloud anyway... and I am such a dreamer [or an ignoramus] for having my own [private but public?] email server... Oh well... I'll keep on dreaming... just for the [losing] principle of it all... LOL -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
OT: NIS to LDAP/AD advise
Hello All, Sorry this is off-topic but I would like some advise from this list and possibly get an understanding of what other large organizations are doing for UNIX/Linux authentication management. I am a Senior Administrator for 3000 UNIX/Linux based devices ranging from HP-UX 10.20-11.31, Solaris 8-10 and RHEL 3-5 at 40 different sites. Most are using NIS for authentication (separate NIS domains) and the AMD (am-utils) automounter. I would like to move authentication to LDAP (AD would be better) but before I invest a lot of time and effort I would like advise from this list on what direction I should go. Because some of the devices are NOT capable of using LDAP (or AD) for authentication I will need to keep NIS around until they can be removed from the environment. If I move to LDAP I would like as much put into LDAP as possible including Netgroup, automounter maps and sudo permissions. A few questions: 1. Do you manage a multi-site, multi-geography environment using LDAP? 1. If so, what LDAP version do you use? 2. Do you keep automounter maps in LDAP? 3. Do you keep netgroups in LDAP? 4. Do you have SUDO information in LDAP? 5. Do you support OSes other than Linux with LDAP? 1. If so, what OSes and version, i.e.: HP-UX 11.23, ... 2. Would Fedora Directory server, FreeIPA or something else be the way to go? 3. Any advice on resolving over lapping UIDs/GIDs? 4. Have anyone used Likewise (or something like it) to authenticate of an AD domain? -- Jamie Bohr -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Status of SSDs under Fedora ?
Linuxguy123 wrote: > Is there a way to change a partition's type after its created ? > For ext4, yes. Google "ext4 to btrfs". It's reversible, too, at least it will reverse it to the point you switched from ext4 to btrfs. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Status of SSDs under Fedora ?
Joerg Bergmann wrote: > IMHO, btrfs has this feature, but the mount option is -o ssd instead > of -o discard. No. It is -o discard as well. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:54:27 -0700 JD wrote: > I wonder how Google does it. only .01% of my google email is spam. > The spam folder contains tons of spam, and it is automatically purged > by google. Yea, I just use gmail as my mail provider and download the mail with fetchmail. I think one non-spam item wound up in my gmail spam folder in several months. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On 06/25/2010 02:46 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers of the offending email spammmers and add these respective IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file, but I am beginning to suspect that these headers could be easily spoofed with bogus entries, right? I am really getting tired of adding in entries into the access file, and writing email filters (in thunderbird) for patterns dumping spammers into the trash - and yet - I am still forced to review the trash for entries that should not have been trashed. Seems like a real chore and a losing proposition... What do admins of sendmail use, besides spamassasin? Thanks! Dan one approach is to use the black hole filters, confgure them for sendmail and that will catch a lot of bad addresses.. http://tldp.org/LDP/nag2/x15291.html (see 1.8.8.4.1. The Real-time Blackhole List) hth, ... -- Jack Craig Software Engineer 831.461.7100 x120 www.extraview.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Gnash cannot play YouTube movies
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 10:28 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 15:02 +0100, Paul Smith wrote: > > > Gnash is already available from Fedora repos. > > > > Gnash is an alternative to the Adobe plugin that has been discontinued > > for 64 bits machines. Of course, there are sites where Gnash does not > > work, but it better than nothing. > > I have no problem running the 32-bit Adobe Flash plugin on my 64-bit > machine using 64-bit Chromium. I didn't have to configure anything at > all, it just works. > > poc > Hi Patrick: How did you install the 32-bit Adobe Flash plugin? Did you do similar steps as explained, for example, here: //http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f13.html#flash ? I mean, did you install all the 32-bit dependencies? Germán. -- Germán A. Racca National Institute for Space Research (INPE) São José dos Campos - SP - Brasil http://gracca.tk - http://graccablog.tk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 14:46 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers > of the offending email spammmers and add these respective > IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file, Attempting to block the sender addresses will never work because they can so easily be forged. Attempting to block IP addresses of spammers by hand will not work either. Spammers these days use botnets, networks of thousands of compromised boxes, so that their IP addresses change rapidly. By the time you discover and enter one of their IP's, they've already moved on to another one. What you need is a DNS-based block list which is maintained by people who are dedicated to keeping it up to date. This isn't perfect either but the reaction is far faster than you can ever do yourself. I use the Spamhaus XBL/SBL (www.spamhaus.org) for this both at work and at home; it catches 10 times more spams than our SpamAssassin-based content filters do. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: redirecting out of a command invoked by sudo fails
On 06/25/2010 02:51 PM, Greg Woods was caught red-handed while writing:: > On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 12:33 -0700, JD wrote: > >> On 06/25/2010 12:04 PM, Bill Crawford was caught red-handed while writing:: >> >>> On 25 June 2010 19:38, JD wrote: >>> >>> cd /var/lib sudo tar cjf - rpm> rpm.tar.bz2 sh: rpm.tar.bz2: cannot create [Permission denied] >> sudo only runs the "tar" command; the redirect (>) is >> >>> done by the shell, and since you aren't root, you can't write in >>> /var/lib. >>> > The classic example to illustrate this is: > > $ cat a b> a > > This is supposed to append b to a, but what actually happens is that the > redirection truncates a first, and you wind up with a copy of b in a and > the original contents of a are lost (do not ask how I learned this; the > answer is "the hard way" )-: > > $ cat b>> a > > is the right way to do that. > > In both of these cases, the problem is that the shell does the > redirection first before executing the commands. > > --Greg > > > As I have already answered, let'ts not beat a dead horse. Issue already very well explained by Bill Crawford. No need for any followups. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F13 udev rule boot warning messages
I'm getting this in my otherwise clean boot log. What, if anything, do
I need to do about them ?
Thanks
Starting udev: udevd[491]: BUS= will be removed in a future udev
version, please use SUBSYSTEM= to match the event device, or SUBSYSTEMS=
to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/85-pcscd_egate.rules:3
udevd[491]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please
use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent
device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/85-pcscd_egate.rules:3
udevd[491]: BUS= will be removed in a future udev version, please use
SUBSYSTEM= to match the event device, or SUBSYSTEMS= to match a parent
device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/85-pcscd_egate.rules:5
udevd[491]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please
use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent
device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/kino.rules:11
udevd[491]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please
use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent
device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/kino.rules:13
udevd[491]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please
use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent
device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/kino.rules:15
udevd[491]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please
use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent
device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/kino.rules:17
udevd[491]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please
use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent
device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/kino.rules:19
udevd[491]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please
use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent
device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/kino.rules:21
udevd[491]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please
use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent
device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/kino.rules:23
udevd[491]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please
use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent
device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/kino.rules:25
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Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On 06/25/2010 02:46 PM, Daniel B. Thurman was caught red-handed while writing:: > I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers > of the offending email spammmers and add these respective > IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file, > but I am beginning to suspect that these headers could be > easily spoofed with bogus entries, right? > > I am really getting tired of adding in entries into the access > file, and writing email filters (in thunderbird) for patterns > dumping spammers into the trash - and yet - I am still forced > to review the trash for entries that should not have been trashed. > Seems like a real chore and a losing proposition... > > What do admins of sendmail use, besides spamassasin? > > Thanks! > Dan > I wonder how Google does it. only .01% of my google email is spam. The spam folder contains tons of spam, and it is automatically purged by google. Perhaps you might ask google? :) :) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: redirecting out of a command invoked by sudo fails
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 12:33 -0700, JD wrote: > > On 06/25/2010 12:04 PM, Bill Crawford was caught red-handed while writing:: > > On 25 June 2010 19:38, JD wrote: > > > >> cd /var/lib > >> sudo tar cjf - rpm> rpm.tar.bz2 > >> sh: rpm.tar.bz2: cannot create [Permission denied] > sudo only runs the "tar" command; the redirect (>) is > > done by the shell, and since you aren't root, you can't write in > > /var/lib. The classic example to illustrate this is: $ cat a b > a This is supposed to append b to a, but what actually happens is that the redirection truncates a first, and you wind up with a copy of b in a and the original contents of a are lost (do not ask how I learned this; the answer is "the hard way" )-: $ cat b >> a is the right way to do that. In both of these cases, the problem is that the shell does the redirection first before executing the commands. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers of the offending email spammmers and add these respective IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file, but I am beginning to suspect that these headers could be easily spoofed with bogus entries, right? I am really getting tired of adding in entries into the access file, and writing email filters (in thunderbird) for patterns dumping spammers into the trash - and yet - I am still forced to review the trash for entries that should not have been trashed. Seems like a real chore and a losing proposition... What do admins of sendmail use, besides spamassasin? Thanks! Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: uuid -> /dev/sdx partition resize
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Mikkel wrote: > On 06/25/2010 11:22 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> >> My initial question remains. >> >> Am I correct in assuming I only need to edit /etc/fstab and /etc/grub.conf >> to boot from the new partitions? >> > You may have to re-install Grub. When you change the size of the > /boot partation, you may change the physical location of Grub's > stage 1.5 loader that understands the file system. Grub stage 1 only > understands physical drive position, not file systems. > Thanks Mikkel, That's what I wanted to know. So I will have to boot to linux rescue, chroot to the system and issue grub-install /dev/sda Does it matter if I use a F12 cd to do this on a F11 system? -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [OT] rather advanced video editing question
Hi, On Friday 25 June 2010 10:42 AM, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > >> What further codecs could I need that I don't already have? > > OK. I just found it. I need avidemux-plugins from rpmfusion. I must have > overlooked it when installing. But I am still not sure how to save as a format > other than avi. > You can choose the container from the drop down menu on your left. To just save the audio stream, you need to choose from the menubar, "Audio >> Save". I have never joined streams from two different files, so I can't help you with that. There is probably a easy way to do that too with avidemux, but I would probably use ffmpeg from the command line as thats the only solution *I* know. So my first attempt would be a command like this, $ ffmpeg -vcodec -i video-input -acodec -i audio-input -t output.file # the order is important. the man page explains that in the very beginning. I am not even close to being familiar with multimedia codecs, whatever I mention here is what I learned through some google searching and `man ffmpeg' and some playing around over the last month. Hope this was helpful. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Firefox 3.6.4 and SElinux (F12)
On 06/25/2010 10:19 AM, GianPiero Puccioni wrote: > Hi, > > I just downloaded and installed in /usr/local Firefox 3.6.4 on a F12 and when > I try to run > it it gives a SElinux error: > > SELinux denied access requested by /usr/local/firefox/firefox-bin. > /usr/local/firefox/firefox-bin is mislabeled. > /usr/local/firefox/firefox-bin defaultSELinux type is usr_t, > but its current type is usr_t. > > I don't understand the "It's usr_t but it should be usr_t" > > I tried the suggestion of "/sbin/restorecon '/usr/local/firefox/firefox-bin'" > but It doesn't change anything. The old firefox had exactly the same type and > it still works. > > It's a standard updated F12 and runs kernel 2.6.32.14-127.fc12.i686.PAE and > selinux-policy-3.6.32-118.fc12 (I also still have the firefox-3.5.10-1.fc12 > installed) > > Any advice? > > Thanks, > GianPiero Please submit a bug. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Top posting
On Friday, June 25, 2010 03:20:53 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: > Fool. > Regardless of the relative merits of top or bottom posting the 'fool' comment is uncalled for. How is it that such a trivial issue can drive us to such comments; unless perhaps the anonymity of the internet has also made us anonymous to ourselves. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: redirecting out of a command invoked by sudo fails
On 06/25/2010 12:49 PM, Mikkel was caught red-handed while writing:: > On 06/25/2010 01:38 PM, JD wrote: > >> cd /var/lib >> sudo tar cjf - rpm> rpm.tar.bz2 >> sh: rpm.tar.bz2: cannot create [Permission denied] >> >> My username is in /etc/sudoers: >> jd ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL >> >> Yeah... I know it is not safe to set NOPASSWD and all that... >> but that is not why I am asking about. >> >> Is this an established legacy behaviour of sudo? >> > Dumb question - does your user have write permission in the > directory you are trying to create rpm.tar.bz2 in? > > Or am I misunderstanding what you are trying to do, and you want > rpm.tar.bz2 to be owned by root? > > Mikkel > Issue already very well explained by Bill Crawford. No need for any followups. Cheers, JD -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Gnash cannot play YouTube movies
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Paul Smith wrote: >>> Just curious but Adobe has been discontinued for 64-bit? Aren't all >>> CPUs 64-bit nowadays? >> >> I am just as surprised as you. Yes, it would seem that all CPUs are 64-bit >> and >> also, the 64-bit flash was working just fine and I am still using it right >> now >> in fedora 13/firefox-3.6.4-1.fc13.x86_64 without any ill effects that I have >> been able to ascertain, despite daily use for months and months. > > From http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash : > > «Adobe has discontinued the 64-bit linux alpha/beta program without > patching exploits known to be in the wild. Use of any existing 64-bit > versions should be considered dangerous.» Fortunately, we have now Lightspark https://launchpad.net/lightspark but still to be supported on the Fedora repositories. Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Status of SSDs under Fedora ?
Am 25.06.2010 21:33, schrieb Michael Cronenworth: > John Austin wrote: > >> Note that AFAIK only ext4 supports the "discard" mount option >> > btrfs also supports it. > IMHO, btrfs has this feature, but the mount option is -o ssd instead of -o discard. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Status of SSDs under Fedora ?
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 14:33 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > John Austin wrote: > > Note that AFAIK only ext4 supports the "discard" mount option > > btrfs also supports it. Is there a way to change a partition's type after its created ? Thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: uuid -> /dev/sdx partition resize
On 06/25/2010 11:22 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > My initial question remains. > > Am I correct in assuming I only need to edit /etc/fstab and /etc/grub.conf > to boot from the new partitions? > You may have to re-install Grub. When you change the size of the /boot partation, you may change the physical location of Grub's stage 1.5 loader that understands the file system. Grub stage 1 only understands physical drive position, not file systems. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On 06/23/2010 06:27 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > >> >> there are multiple ways to install nvidias drivers. Its really not simple >> to >> cover them all. some ways like using the installer directly from nvidia >> replace a bunch of Xorg bits >> > > It's most likely that people who have installed with the installer provided > by NVIDIA are not newbies. Am I right in thinking that installing an > executable that is not part of Fedora would make SELinux cry out loud? > > Most people have installed with rpmfusion. That's the reverse emthod that > should be provided. > > SELinux should be able to handle most packages installed from any source. Problems arise when they don't use RPM, and labels do not get correctly placed down. nvidia tends to have a lot of badly built libraries that require the textrel_shlib_t type. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Top posting
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:06:49 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Almost > every message you see on these systems quote the entire thread in every > message. Lose lose lose. That seems to have developed from rancidly bad email customer support systems which couldn't be bothered to keep track of old mail. You had to always quote the complete previous message because the old mail you sent them had already been forgotten :-(. (Of course that technique did allow you to subtly edit their previous responses in your quoted mail to make them look like even bigger idiots than they already were :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - Display trouble with a Sony Vaio (was: Re: F13 - installation problem (Anaconda + Display))
From: "Ardhan Madras" >> 1. I don't like that the startup is now text-only until when the >> graphical drivers load. Is there a way to obtain the old graphical >> boot without the nouveau drivers? > > Plymouth (Fedora boot animation) require frame-buffer, try to enable > frame-buffer at boot time with kernel vga=, such as > vga=0x314 or vga=0x318 (look at documentation for display resolution) Yes, thx to Richard who pointed it out to me I learned to use vga=ask to see what params fit best. In the meanwhile I found this (I guess if I were more involved in the community I would have figured out this resource before: sorry to have created a bit of noise...):: http://fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/nvidia-yum-kmod Point 9.1 - 9.4 should build a init RAM drive without the nouveau drivers, if I understood it right. >> 2. Question: how can the next kernel update realise that the nouveau >> drivers must be removed? Because of the file >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf >> or because I have blacklisted them in the kernel parameters at boot >> time (i.e. in /boot/grub/grub.conf ) > > I'm having this problem too each kernel update, the installer replace > current kernel parameters at /boot/grub/menu.lst, but i think this is not > a problem because i always can boot with previous kernel (nvidia > enabled) and edit my grub conf for the newest kernel boot parameter. Ok, thanks for the tip, I know what to expect eventually at the next kernel update :) >> 3. At boot time I get the following error: >> Enabling the nvidia driver: /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions: line 526: >> Segmentation fault "$@" [FAILED] >> where is a 4 random digits. >> Nevertheless, the nvidia drivers seem to load (I see the nvidia logo) >> and work (3d works: desktop effects, opengl screensavers...). Any idea >> about what is causing this boot error and how I can fix it? > > And for question 3, you need to investigate the rc script that cause the > segfault. Or look for that issue at RPMFusion's related talks. I'm using F12 > and did not get the problem. I'll have a look at the rc scripts in the directory... not sure whether I can manage it though... :) I have limited resources (time!) these days and I have been rather far from active involvement in "computer stuff" in the recent years... Fede -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: cgi perl selinux question
On 06/23/2010 04:42 PM, Ken Smith wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm setting up a cgi application (the Web part of the MythTV application). > > I'd like to try to run it with SELINUX enabled if possible. The perl > script writes to STDOUT and it produces a SELINUX error that recommends > executing this command > > chcon -t httpd_sys_content_t 'stdout' > > How do I set the Selinux context of the stdout stream for an apache session? > > Thanks > > Ken > Looks like the tool is mistaken. Can you attach the message from the tool. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: redirecting out of a command invoked by sudo fails
On 06/25/2010 01:38 PM, JD wrote: > cd /var/lib > sudo tar cjf - rpm > rpm.tar.bz2 > sh: rpm.tar.bz2: cannot create [Permission denied] > > My username is in /etc/sudoers: > jd ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL > > Yeah... I know it is not safe to set NOPASSWD and all that... > but that is not why I am asking about. > > Is this an established legacy behaviour of sudo? Dumb question - does your user have write permission in the directory you are trying to create rpm.tar.bz2 in? Or am I misunderstanding what you are trying to do, and you want rpm.tar.bz2 to be owned by root? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Top posting
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 14:20 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > The best that can be said about top-posting is that > it is better than bottom-posting without trimming. > Internal- and bottom-posting allow responses > to be near their inspirations. Agreed, but in reality either method would be acceptable if it were used consistently and sensibly. Since bottom-posting has been the standard on Usenet for basically forever, it's also the standard for many technical lists including this one. That being the case, people who say they can't be bothered or that top-posting is what they are used to are simply out of line. If they want to propose a change to the guidelines, by all means propose it and make a cogent argument. In the meantime, follow the standard in the interests of clarity. > Also, top-posting strongly correlates with a failure to trim. > Rather a lot of the noise is quoted boilerplate. Very true. Top-posting is the default in a lot of Webmail systems and phone email clients. Also in Outlook I think (never used it). Almost every message you see on these systems quote the entire thread in every message. Lose lose lose. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Status of SSDs under Fedora ?
John Austin wrote: > Note that AFAIK only ext4 supports the "discard" mount option btrfs also supports it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: redirecting out of a command invoked by sudo fails
On 06/25/2010 12:04 PM, Bill Crawford was caught red-handed while writing:: > On 25 June 2010 19:38, JD wrote: > >> cd /var/lib >> sudo tar cjf - rpm> rpm.tar.bz2 >> sh: rpm.tar.bz2: cannot create [Permission denied] >> >> My username is in /etc/sudoers: >> jd ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL >> >> Yeah... I know it is not safe to set NOPASSWD and all that... >> but that is not why I am asking about. >> >> Is this an established legacy behaviour of sudo? >> > Nope. Just that sudo only runs the "tar" command; the redirect (>) is > done by the shell, and since you aren't root, you can't write in > /var/lib. > > Suggest "sudo tar cjf rpm.tar.bz2 rpm" (have tar write the file > itself; it will be running as root so will work). > Makes sense! Thanks for the head up. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problem with yum database
On 06/25/2010 12:02 PM, Bill Crawford was caught red-handed while writing:: > On 25 June 2010 19:11, JD wrote: > > >> error: db3 error(-30974) from dbenv->failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal >> error, run database recovery >> > cd /var/lib/rpm > /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_recover > Thank you Bill. Will try it next time (hope I do not have to :) I had already started Craig White's suggestion: rm/var/lib/rpm/__db.00* rpm --rebuilddb which finished OK, and I am now updating and it seems to be working rather well. I will remember the rpmdb_recover. It is a symlink to /usr/bin/db_recover Cheers, JD -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Status of SSDs under Fedora ?
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 09:06 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> Update
>
> I cloned my old conventional 160 GB hard drive onto a new Intel X25-M
> SSD using gparted. In doing so, the new partitions ended up being ext3
> instead of ext4.
>
> The performance improvement is dramatic. It boots super fast. Even
> Evolution, which became a lethargic dog with the upgrade to F13, is
> snappy. Its amazing how fast Firefox and Open Office Writer open.
>
> Life is good.
>
> I have not done any disk optimizations whatsoever. Whatever the
> defaults are, that is what I am running.
>
> I did not perform any before and after tests, but I still have my old
> harddrive as a backup. I could always swap it in and run some tests if
> they are needed.
>
Hi
Good news !
Note that AFAIK only ext4 supports the "discard" mount option
I did some test a few weeks ago (F12) comparing three disks at three
different record lengths. the speed of the SSD is amazing, particularly
for small record sizes
I used "iozone"
The values may be of interest for comparison purposes.
Also below is a crude perl script called by udev to "hotplug" mount
flash media with suitable options.
John
#
Tests on 128GB C300, 320GB mech disk on SA76G2, 500GB mech disk on SD39P2
wiper had just been used on SSD
Test at three different record sizes on the three disks (SSD, 320GB mech, 500GB
mech)
Max read speed 271MB/s
Record size 4kB
random randombkwd
record stride
KB reclen write rewritereadrereadread writeread
rewrite read
./iozone -I -a -s 100M -r 4 -i 0 -i 1 -i 2
102400 4 42055 525835589054954 26799 52181
102400 4 19258 211962430423742 6521803
102400 4 25834 285412891033310 7091208
Record size 512kB
./iozone -I -a -s 100M -r 512 -i 0 -i 1 -i 2
102400 512 143871 145982 251266 251117 242780 150302
102400 512 50072 467444965549226 30588 42982
102400 512 65458 630706913072386 39537 49723
Record size 8192kB
./iozone -I -a -s 100M -r 8192 -i 0 -i 1 -i 2
1024008192 151014 141913 271285 271318 272173 142116
1024008192 49631 469204534647126 47642 49456
1024008192 66730 639316872072078 69915 64087
I also have a very crude perl script to set mount options and scheduler
settings when hot-plugging USB/eSATA(p) "flash sticks"/SSDs/"mech disks".
The script is called by udev to do the mount and Dolphin can be used
to umount the device.
It still has loads of diagnostic prints !
It can also be used at the command line (as root) to mount a partition
Use at your own risk !!
You need to defeat polkit before the script works
SATA Disk Mounting F13
If a denial (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1) is given
examine "details" which shows the problem "Action"
nedit /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.udisks.policy as required
Some or all of these changes are required
yes
yes
yes
yes
yes
yes
-
Do NOT use as is - It MUST be checked against your requirements !
fuerte bin 8# cat sd_mount
#!/usr/bin/perl
#Terrible script to control the mounting of "hotplug" usb and eSATA disks
#The following udev rules are currently associated with the script
#[r...@milos ~]# cat /lib/udev/rules.d/81-aaja.rules
#ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="sd*", SUBSYSTEM=="block",
ENV{ID_FS_TYPE}=="ext3|ext4", RUN:="/root/sd_mount %k"
#If the device is an SSD
#1. The scheduler will be changed to "noop" if required
#2. If the partition is ext3 or ext4 the "noatime" mount option is set
#3. If the partition is ext4 and the disk supports TRIM the "discard" mount
option is also set
#If the device is a hard disk then it is mounted "normally"
#An entry is made in /media/.hal-mtab to fool Thunar/Dolphin so that they will
umount the partition
#Lists of the partition characteristics are defined later in this script (they
should be in a /etc file!)
open(MESS,">/tmp/mess");
print MESS `date`;
$dev = $ARGV[0];
print MESS $dev,"\n";
# Is $0 a whole disk or a partition?
if ( "$dev" =~ /sd[a-g]/ ) {$disk = $dev;}
if ( "$dev" =~ /sd[a-g][0-9]/ ) {$disk = $dev;chop($disk);}
if ( "$dev" =~ /sd[a-g][0-9][0-9]/ ) {$disk = $dev;chop($disk);chop($disk);}
print MESS $dev," ",$disk,"\n";
#Pick up the Variables set by udev
$udev_envs = `/sbin/blkid -o udev -p /dev/$dev`;
@udev_envs = split(/\n/,$udev_envs);
#print MESS $udev_envs;
#print MESS $#udev_envs;
print MESS "\n\n";
#Create hash array for the variables
#Must be a better way!
for ($j = 0; $j <= $#udev_envs; $j++){
# print MESS $udev_envs[$j];
@line = split(/=/,$udev_envs[$j]);
$k
Re: Top posting
Fool. On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 25/06/10 16:53, Jesus Arocho wrote: > --snip-- > People do, continue to and will always top post >> >> Thanks for the comment. Although I do try to work within the standards of a >> group, I do prefer top posting, but do not mind reading emails otherwise >> composed. The argument does seem similar to the egg wars in 'Gulliver's >> Travels.' Nyet. The best that can be said about top-posting is that it is better than bottom-posting without trimming. Internal- and bottom-posting allow responses to be near their inspirations. Also, top-posting strongly correlates with a failure to trim. Rather a lot of the noise is quoted boilerplate. > But on this list: guidelines as sig. > Top is frowned upon. > I see it as "When in Rome" Don't encourage them. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 13 usb key failure
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 02:18:33PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > O> At that point, after the installer's vmlinux has been > > booted, the keystrokes on the usb keyboard are not > > recognized when attempting to select the installation > > media check options. This is quite odd because the > > same usb keyboard is usable earlier in the installation > > Odd it may see but not unexpected. Until the kernel loads the BIOS is > doing emulation of a PC keyboard via USB. After the kernel USB loads the > OS takes over control. If that fails you have a problem. > > > Is there any workaround for this (as the Sun workstation > > only has usb ports for keyboard and mouse) short of > > waiting for Fedora 14? > > I guess a serial or vnc based network install might be helpful for > debugging but hardly useful for production. > > Try booting with the option "irqpoll" just in case the USB stuff is > having interrupt problems. Alan, I did clean install of x86_64 Fedora 13 onto the Sun W2100Z dual opteron while booted with acpi=off so that the usb keyboard would work in the installer. The installation completed successfully but I do see the message... pci :08:00.0: address space collision: [mem 0xd800-0xdfff pref] already in use pci :08:00.0: can't reserve [mem 0xd800-0xdfff pref] during the boot process. Since the graphics resolution with the nouveau driver doesn't autodetect the larger screen resolutions with acpi=off, I tried booting with that disabled. Interestingly, if I stop the boot process to edit the kernel options (removing 'acpi=off' that way), the usb keyboard and mouse is non-functional at boot. However, if I boot with acpi=off and remove 'acpi=off' from grub.conf, the machine boots with a usable usb keyboard and mouse. Also, the context for the address space collision is... usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs usbcore: registered new interface driver hub usbcore: registered new device driver usb PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing PCI: pci_cache_line_size set to 64 bytes pci :08:00.0: address space collision: [mem 0xd800-0xdfff pref] already in use pci :08:00.0: can't reserve [mem 0xd800-0xdfff pref] Any suggestions for debugging this further? So far the problem seems to be triggered after installation by invoking the grub boot screen (with the escape key) followed by booting into Fedora 13 without 'acpi=off'. If I don't interrupt the boot, ie stay out of the grub boot screen, the boot proceeds normally with a usable usb mouse and keyboard. Odd. Jack -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Top posting
On 06/25/2010 08:50 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Friday 25 June 2010 03:16 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: >> On 06/25/2010 09:18 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: >>> On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: If there are posts you don't like think killfile. >>> >>> I keep hearing about this, how does one do that in Thunderbird? >> >> Tools>Message Filters>New >> >> Move message to> trash >> > > Like I said in my post, that requires me to create a filter for every > such case. No, but it might cause you to create a single kill filter, and continually add cases to it. Use the "match any" instead of the "match all". -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@rcn.com cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: redirecting out of a command invoked by sudo fails
JD wrote: > cd /var/lib > sudo tar cjf - rpm > rpm.tar.bz2 > sh: rpm.tar.bz2: cannot create [Permission denied] Why use f - and then redirect stdout when you could just do: sudo tar cjf rpm.tar.bz2 rpm ? > Is this an established legacy behaviour of sudo? This is the way it has always been and will always be. If you do find other cases where you need this sort of thing, a common idiom involves tee: echo foo | sudo tee /path/to/some/root/owned/file > /dev/null -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ We are not to expect to be transported from despotism to liberty in a featherbed. -- Thomas Jefferson pgpL8v2RNea2K.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: redirecting out of a command invoked by sudo fails
On 25 June 2010 19:38, JD wrote: > cd /var/lib > sudo tar cjf - rpm > rpm.tar.bz2 > sh: rpm.tar.bz2: cannot create [Permission denied] > > My username is in /etc/sudoers: > jd ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL > > Yeah... I know it is not safe to set NOPASSWD and all that... > but that is not why I am asking about. > > Is this an established legacy behaviour of sudo? Nope. Just that sudo only runs the "tar" command; the redirect (>) is done by the shell, and since you aren't root, you can't write in /var/lib. Suggest "sudo tar cjf rpm.tar.bz2 rpm" (have tar write the file itself; it will be running as root so will work). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problem with yum database
On 25 June 2010 19:11, JD wrote: > error: db3 error(-30974) from dbenv->failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal > error, run database recovery cd /var/lib/rpm /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_recover -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problem with yum database
On 06/25/2010 11:37 AM, Craig White was caught red-handed while writing:: > On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 11:11 -0700, JD wrote: > >> On 06/25/2010 11:04 AM, stan was caught red-handed while writing:: >> >>> rpm --rebuilddb >>> >>> >> Thank you stan. I tried it: >> $ sudo rpm --rebuilddb >> rpmdb: Thread/process 7604/3079239360 failed: Thread died in Berkeley DB >> library >> error: db3 error(-30974) from dbenv->failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal >> error, run database recovery >> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - (-30974) >> >> This is not the first time it has happened. >> I have been using fedora since FC6. This >> corruption (due to killing yum) has happened >> to me on at least 3 occasions. >> >> I see it as a big deficiency that killing an app >> should incur such a devastating damage to it's database. >> > > maybe you shouldn't kill it while it is running. > > Problem doesn't appear to be yum but your Packages database which is > actually maintained by rpm. Yum doesn't write to those files. > > Try this... > > ps aux|grep rpm > ps aux|grep yum > > and make sure that no yum or rpm processes are currently running > > Once you have determined that no yum or rpm processes are still > running... > > rm /var/lib/rpm/__db.00* > > and delete them > > Then, try the rebuild command... > > rpm --rebuilddb > > Craig > Thank you craig. It is rebuilding right now. I found similar solution at http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2007/10/repair-corrupt-rpm-database.html Cheers, JD -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
redirecting out of a command invoked by sudo fails
cd /var/lib sudo tar cjf - rpm > rpm.tar.bz2 sh: rpm.tar.bz2: cannot create [Permission denied] My username is in /etc/sudoers: jd ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL Yeah... I know it is not safe to set NOPASSWD and all that... but that is not why I am asking about. Is this an established legacy behaviour of sudo? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problem with yum database
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 11:11 -0700, JD wrote: > > On 06/25/2010 11:04 AM, stan was caught red-handed while writing:: > > rpm --rebuilddb > > > Thank you stan. I tried it: > $ sudo rpm --rebuilddb > rpmdb: Thread/process 7604/3079239360 failed: Thread died in Berkeley DB > library > error: db3 error(-30974) from dbenv->failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal > error, run database recovery > error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - (-30974) > > This is not the first time it has happened. > I have been using fedora since FC6. This > corruption (due to killing yum) has happened > to me on at least 3 occasions. > > I see it as a big deficiency that killing an app > should incur such a devastating damage to it's database. maybe you shouldn't kill it while it is running. Problem doesn't appear to be yum but your Packages database which is actually maintained by rpm. Yum doesn't write to those files. Try this... ps aux|grep rpm ps aux|grep yum and make sure that no yum or rpm processes are currently running Once you have determined that no yum or rpm processes are still running... rm /var/lib/rpm/__db.00* and delete them Then, try the rebuild command... rpm --rebuilddb Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
