Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Natxo Asenjo]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Linuxguy123  wrote:
>
> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
>
> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf

works fine in f13 amd64 with evince. It takes a while to zoom in and
out, but it works.

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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/08/2010 01:56 PM, Robert Myers wrote:
> Oh, I'm a compleat idiot.  I'll perform for groups.  Email me for rates.
Don't be too hard on yourself. 

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Re: Fedora 12 and Privoxy

[Natxo Asenjo]

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Jason Turning  wrote:
>
> I just upgraded my laptop to Fedora 12, and now Privoxy is failing on bootup
> and has to be manually started. Anyone encountered this problem, and if so 
> what
> was the fix?

what does

$/sbin/chkconfig --list privoxy

tell you?

It should be on on runlevels 3 and 5.

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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Robert Myers]

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 07/08/2010 01:37 PM, Robert Myers wrote:
> > Mind your step, though.  I ain't stupid.
> >
> So, you said "This is the end of our conversation"and you continue.
> It may not be "stupid" but it certainly does lack an end.
>

Oh, I'm a compleat idiot.  I'll perform for groups.  Email me for rates.

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Re: how to play media files on NAS

[JD]

  On 07/07/2010 10:15 PM, Gregory Hosler wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> On 07/08/2010 12:44 PM, Mick M. wrote:
>> Hi;
>>I have set up a small NAS with multimedia files on it.
>> I can read/write/delete fine.
>> However if I want to play a file I run into problems.
>>
>> Kaffeine says:
>> Cannot find input plugin for MRL 
>> "ftp://192.168.1.106/data/mick/COMBO%20MUSIC%20VIDEO/---MP4/Fish_Go_Deep_ft_Tracey_K_-__The_Cure___The_Cause__Dennis_Ferrer_Remix__HD.mp4";.
>>
>>
>> Cannot find input plugin for MRL 
>> "smb://192.168.1.106/sh_mick/COMBO%20MUSIC%20VIDEO/---MP4/Fish_Go_Deep_ft_Tracey_K_-_The_Cure___The_Cause__Dennis_Ferrer_Remix__HD.mp4".
>>
>> VLC will play the ftp://, but ...
>>
>> Your input can't be opened:
>> VLC is unable to open the MRL 
>> 'smb://192.168.1.106/sh_mick/COMBO%20MUSIC%20VIDEO/---MP4/Fish_Go_Deep_ft_Tracey_K_-_The_Cure___The_Cause__Dennis_Ferrer_Remix__HD.mp4'.
>>
>> This is the same for .mp3 files as well as .mp4.
>>
>> Mplayer will play all media files using both ftp and smb.
>> I am used to kaffeine and VLC and would like to use them.
>>
>> Any ideas?
> I seriously doubt it is the NAS.
>
> Try taking the spaces out of the file/path names. I have occassionally come
> across players that have issues with spaces. Perhaps that is what is 
> happening here.
>
> - -G
>
>> Mick M.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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I doubt it is the spaces. I play files with vlc, and they have spaces in 
the pathname.
Are you certain that VLC is smb protocol savvy?
I am not certain of that myself. I do  not have a samba mounted partition
with media files on it.

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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/08/2010 01:37 PM, Robert Myers wrote:
> Mind your step, though.  I ain't stupid.
>
So, you said "This is the end of our conversation"and you continue. 
It may not be "stupid" but it certainly does lack an end. 

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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Robert Myers]

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>
> >
> I did not criticize you.  I made observations that were critical of your
> approach.
>
> You *may* be right about "progress bars/dots" being of no value.  I only
> observed that you chose to use sarcasm to debase a fellow poster in your
> attempt to prove your assertion .  I merely pointed out that in many
> cases that turns people off and they may summarily dismiss what you have
> to say.
>
> I also find it "interesting" (some may term it hypocritical) that you've
> chosen to conclude with "This is the end of our conversation" and take
> issue with poc's "We're done here".
>

Ed. sweetheart (you want to take exception with that?), wake up from your
dream.  Google on "Bishop Berkeley" or "Bishop Berkeley + Lewis Carroll."

You'll find much more that's interesting than I can dream up.

Mind your step, though.  I ain't stupid.

Robert.
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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/08/2010 12:16 PM, Robert Myers wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Greshko  > wrote:
>
> On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote:
> > You don't know me any more than you know if there is
> extraterrestrial
> > life.
> I can, based on observations and other factors, speculate as to the
> chances of the existence of extraterrestrial life.  I can suspect that
> there is/is not extraterrestrial life.  Based on the evidence you've
> contributed I've formed an opinion and a supposition.
>
>
> You have chosen to criticize me, rather than the facts I propose.
>  This is the end of our conversation.
>
>
I did not criticize you.  I made observations that were critical of your
approach.

You *may* be right about "progress bars/dots" being of no value.  I only
observed that you chose to use sarcasm to debase a fellow poster in your
attempt to prove your assertion .  I merely pointed out that in many
cases that turns people off and they may summarily dismiss what you have
to say.

I also find it "interesting" (some may term it hypocritical) that you've
chosen to conclude with "This is the end of our conversation" and take
issue with poc's "We're done here". 

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Fedora 12 and Privoxy

[Jason Turning]

I just upgraded my laptop to Fedora 12, and now Privoxy is failing on bootup
and has to be manually started. Anyone encountered this problem, and if so what
was the fix?

Thanks.
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Re: how to play media files on NAS

[Gregory Hosler]

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On 07/08/2010 12:44 PM, Mick M. wrote:
> Hi;
>   I have set up a small NAS with multimedia files on it.
> I can read/write/delete fine.
> However if I want to play a file I run into problems.
> 
> Kaffeine says:
> Cannot find input plugin for MRL 
> "ftp://192.168.1.106/data/mick/COMBO%20MUSIC%20VIDEO/---MP4/Fish_Go_Deep_ft_Tracey_K_-__The_Cure___The_Cause__Dennis_Ferrer_Remix__HD.mp4";.
> 
> 
> Cannot find input plugin for MRL 
> "smb://192.168.1.106/sh_mick/COMBO%20MUSIC%20VIDEO/---MP4/Fish_Go_Deep_ft_Tracey_K_-_The_Cure___The_Cause__Dennis_Ferrer_Remix__HD.mp4".
> 
> VLC will play the ftp://, but ...
> 
> Your input can't be opened:
> VLC is unable to open the MRL 
> 'smb://192.168.1.106/sh_mick/COMBO%20MUSIC%20VIDEO/---MP4/Fish_Go_Deep_ft_Tracey_K_-_The_Cure___The_Cause__Dennis_Ferrer_Remix__HD.mp4'.
> 
> This is the same for .mp3 files as well as .mp4.
> 
> Mplayer will play all media files using both ftp and smb.
> I am used to kaffeine and VLC and would like to use them.
> 
> Any ideas?

I seriously doubt it is the NAS.

Try taking the spaces out of the file/path names. I have occassionally come
across players that have issues with spaces. Perhaps that is what is happening 
here.

- -G

> Mick M.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   


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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Robert Myers]

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 23:58 -0400, Robert Myers wrote:
> > > And perhaps you should share your wisdom with every programmer who's
> > > written an installer that shows progress reports. I'm sure they'll
> > be
> > > glad to know they're wasting their time.
> > >
> >
> > Of *course* you can try to imagine what the end user will experience
> > and make it as reasonable as possible.
>
> Which is precisely what the OP asked for.
>
> > In practice, you can't imagine every eventuality.
>
> Which the OP did not ask for.
>
> We're done here.
>

You like the last word, no matter your insight.  So be it.  It's the way the
world works.

Robert.
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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 23:58 -0400, Robert Myers wrote:
> > And perhaps you should share your wisdom with every programmer who's
> > written an installer that shows progress reports. I'm sure they'll
> be
> > glad to know they're wasting their time.
> >
> 
> Of *course* you can try to imagine what the end user will experience
> and make it as reasonable as possible.

Which is precisely what the OP asked for.

> In practice, you can't imagine every eventuality.

Which the OP did not ask for.

We're done here.

poc

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how to play media files on NAS

[Mick M.]

Hi;
  I have set up a small NAS with multimedia files on it.
I can read/write/delete fine.
However if I want to play a file I run into problems.

Kaffeine says:
Cannot find input plugin for MRL 
"ftp://192.168.1.106/data/mick/COMBO%20MUSIC%20VIDEO/---MP4/Fish_Go_Deep_ft_Tracey_K_-__The_Cure___The_Cause__Dennis_Ferrer_Remix__HD.mp4";.


Cannot find input plugin for MRL 
"smb://192.168.1.106/sh_mick/COMBO%20MUSIC%20VIDEO/---MP4/Fish_Go_Deep_ft_Tracey_K_-_The_Cure___The_Cause__Dennis_Ferrer_Remix__HD.mp4".

VLC will play the ftp://, but ...

Your input can't be opened:
VLC is unable to open the MRL 
'smb://192.168.1.106/sh_mick/COMBO%20MUSIC%20VIDEO/---MP4/Fish_Go_Deep_ft_Tracey_K_-_The_Cure___The_Cause__Dennis_Ferrer_Remix__HD.mp4'.

This is the same for .mp3 files as well as .mp4.

Mplayer will play all media files using both ftp and smb.
I am used to kaffeine and VLC and would like to use them.

Any ideas?

Mick M.





  
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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Robert Myers]

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Christofer C. Bell <
christofer.c.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Robert Myers wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote:
>>> > You don't know me any more than you know if there is extraterrestrial
>>> > life.
>>> I can, based on observations and other factors, speculate as to the
>>> chances of the existence of extraterrestrial life.  I can suspect that
>>> there is/is not extraterrestrial life.  Based on the evidence you've
>>> contributed I've formed an opinion and a supposition.
>>>
>>
>> You have chosen to criticize me, rather than the facts I propose.  This is
>> the end of our conversation.
>>
>
> "If you think you know what you are talking about, perhaps you would
> consider a fixed-fee contract on a perpetual motion machine. ... but I
> wouldn't be hiring you to manage anything." -- Robert Myers
>
> Just like you do.  Now shut up and go away, troll.
>

Do you think that name-calling is an acceptable form of communication?

A poster asked for something that cannot, even in theory, be delivered.

An army of people equally ignorant has come to his defense.

The "wisdom of crowds?"  Suppose you took a vote at your high school as to
the value of pi?  At the university I attended, no one would have fallen for
it.  At my high school, I'm not even confident as to how my home room
section (probably the brightest people in a city of a million) would have
responded.  Ignorance is everywhere.  Is that what you want to defend?

Robert.
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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Christofer C. Bell]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Robert Myers  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote:
>> > You don't know me any more than you know if there is extraterrestrial
>> > life.
>> I can, based on observations and other factors, speculate as to the
>> chances of the existence of extraterrestrial life.  I can suspect that
>> there is/is not extraterrestrial life.  Based on the evidence you've
>> contributed I've formed an opinion and a supposition.
>>
>
> You have chosen to criticize me, rather than the facts I propose.  This is
> the end of our conversation.
>

"If you think you know what you are talking about, perhaps you would
consider a fixed-fee contract on a perpetual motion machine. ... but I
wouldn't be hiring you to manage anything." -- Robert Myers

Just like you do.  Now shut up and go away, troll.

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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Robert Myers]

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote:
> > You don't know me any more than you know if there is extraterrestrial
> > life.
> I can, based on observations and other factors, speculate as to the
> chances of the existence of extraterrestrial life.  I can suspect that
> there is/is not extraterrestrial life.  Based on the evidence you've
> contributed I've formed an opinion and a supposition.
>

You have chosen to criticize me, rather than the facts I propose.  This is
the end of our conversation.

Robert.
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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote:
> You don't know me any more than you know if there is extraterrestrial
> life.
I can, based on observations and other factors, speculate as to the
chances of the existence of extraterrestrial life.  I can suspect that
there is/is not extraterrestrial life.  Based on the evidence you've
contributed I've formed an opinion and a supposition.

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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Robert Myers]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 23:24 -0400, Robert Myers wrote:
> > > It depends on what you mean by "hung". If we're talking about "in an
> > > unforeseen state caused by a bug" then of course the HT prevents
> > > detecting this reliably. However in this case I think the OP means
> > > something more ordinary, "not finished yet because there's a lot to
> > do".
> > > This doesn't prevent giving a meaningful progress report.
> > >
> >
> > If you think you know what you are talking about, perhaps you would
> > consider a fixed-fee contract on a perpetual motion machine.
>
> And perhaps you should share your wisdom with every programmer who's
> written an installer that shows progress reports. I'm sure they'll be
> glad to know they're wasting their time.
>

Of *course* you can try to imagine what the end user will experience and
make it as reasonable as possible.

In practice, you can't imagine every eventuality.

As it happens, I just finished installing [software package] on several
different systems.

On all but one install, the installer hung or behaved in idiosyncratic ways
that would make someone less experienced want to throw the computer through
the window.  The more powerful and general you make the installer (it does
lots of different things and copes with many different situations), the more
likely it is to screw up.

If you are naive, you dash off an angry post to someone.  If you've been
dealing with computers for a long time, you take a deep breath, try to
imagine all the different circumstances the installer designer had to
anticipate, and look for a way around the "bug."

Anyone here used ./configure?  How often does it encounter an unforeseen
circumstance?

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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Robert Myers]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 07/08/2010 11:39 AM, Robert Myers wrote:
> >
> > I hope you realize that you lose a lot of credibility when you stray
> > from discussing technical matters to sarcasm in order to debase a
> > fellow
> > poster.
> >
> >
> > A veteran of many Internet wars, I am long past worrying about what
> > people think of my "tone."
>

[blank space is good netiquette]

I'm not concerned with your "tone"...but the results of the "tone".  I
> suppose if you don't care about it, neither should I.  Yet, from your
> tone I suspect you are proud of starting wars and engendering a hostile
> environment.
>

You don't know me any more than you know if there is extraterrestrial life.
 With every word, you betray your prejudices about human interactions (it
is, for example, my job to fit your Procrustean bed--that is to say, to fit
**your** expectations) and display your willingness to be self-righteous
about your own judgments and values, apparently oblivious to what your
willingness to judge others on inadequate information says about you.

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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/08/2010 11:39 AM, Robert Myers wrote:
>
> I hope you realize that you lose a lot of credibility when you stray
> from discussing technical matters to sarcasm in order to debase a
> fellow
> poster.
>
>
> A veteran of many Internet wars, I am long past worrying about what
> people think of my "tone."
I'm not concerned with your "tone"...but the results of the "tone".  I
suppose if you don't care about it, neither should I.  Yet, from your
tone I suspect you are proud of starting wars and engendering a hostile
environment.

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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 23:24 -0400, Robert Myers wrote:
> > It depends on what you mean by "hung". If we're talking about "in an
> > unforeseen state caused by a bug" then of course the HT prevents
> > detecting this reliably. However in this case I think the OP means
> > something more ordinary, "not finished yet because there's a lot to
> do".
> > This doesn't prevent giving a meaningful progress report.
> >
> 
> If you think you know what you are talking about, perhaps you would
> consider a fixed-fee contract on a perpetual motion machine.

And perhaps you should share your wisdom with every programmer who's
written an installer that shows progress reports. I'm sure they'll be
glad to know they're wasting their time.

poc

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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Robert Myers]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 07/08/2010 11:24 AM, Robert Myers wrote:
> > If you think you know what you are talking about, perhaps you would
> > consider a fixed-fee contract on a perpetual motion machine.
> >
> > From a practical point of view, all possible states of a program
> > cannot be examined and tested.  If you want to think of some extreme
> > state (the assumed hardware gives misleading answers, for example) as
> > a "bug," so be it, but I wouldn't be hiring you to manage anything.
>


> I hope you realize that you lose a lot of credibility when you stray
> from discussing technical matters to sarcasm in order to debase a fellow
> poster.
>

A veteran of many Internet wars, I am long past worrying about what people
think of my "tone."

Someone will *always* find a reason to take exception.

As to self-righteousness, I deal with that on lists that address theology.
 It's a big no-no, but my telling you so makes *me* self-righteous.  Finding
a way out of that trap is roughly like violating the Halting Theorem..  If
you don't want people pointing fingers at you, then don't point fingers.

Robert.
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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Darr]

On Wednesday, 07 July, 2010 @17:30 zulu, Linuxguy123 scribed:
> Try scaling to 200% or more to see some detail.

In adobe reader I zoomed it to 300% then paged down a couple times + 
scrolled
over, opened the 'about' window and took this screen shot:
http://to.ly/5rzs

If you don't have the adobe repo, add it with
http://linuxdownload.adobe.com/linux/i386/adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm
in firefox (tick the 'Open with Package Manager' selection), or just run
# rpm -ivh 
http://linuxdownload.adobe.com/linux/i386/adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm

Then
# yum install AdobeReader_enu

You should then find its shortcut at the top of the Applications->Office 
menu. 


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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/08/2010 11:24 AM, Robert Myers wrote:
> If you think you know what you are talking about, perhaps you would
> consider a fixed-fee contract on a perpetual motion machine.
>
> From a practical point of view, all possible states of a program
> cannot be examined and tested.  If you want to think of some extreme
> state (the assumed hardware gives misleading answers, for example) as
> a "bug," so be it, but I wouldn't be hiring you to manage anything.
I hope you realize that you lose a lot of credibility when you stray
from discussing technical matters to sarcasm in order to debase a fellow
poster.

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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Robert Myers]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:


> It depends on what you mean by "hung". If we're talking about "in an
> unforeseen state caused by a bug" then of course the HT prevents
> detecting this reliably. However in this case I think the OP means
> something more ordinary, "not finished yet because there's a lot to do".
> This doesn't prevent giving a meaningful progress report.
>

If you think you know what you are talking about, perhaps you would consider
a fixed-fee contract on a perpetual motion machine.

>From a practical point of view, all possible states of a program cannot be
examined and tested.  If you want to think of some extreme state (the
assumed hardware gives misleading answers, for example) as a "bug," so be
it, but I wouldn't be hiring you to manage anything.

Robert.
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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 21:56 -0400, Robert Myers wrote:
> > It really would be helpful if developers could make sure
> > that some kind of message, even if it is just a row of dots,
> > comes up from time to time.
> >
> 
> The most general response to your request would appear to require
> violation of the Halting Theorem.  I think you could force a dot with
> an interrupt, but it wouldn't really tell you anything.  The program
> could still be hung.

It depends on what you mean by "hung". If we're talking about "in an
unforeseen state caused by a bug" then of course the HT prevents
detecting this reliably. However in this case I think the OP means
something more ordinary, "not finished yet because there's a lot to do".
This doesn't prevent giving a meaningful progress report.

poc

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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Robert Myers]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Craig White  wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 21:56 -0400, Robert Myers wrote:
> >
> > If some poor soul at Microsoft couldn't deliver a version of Vista
> > that reassured Steve Ballmer (who allegedly throws furniture) that
> > wonderful new Vista was actually doing something while he sat there
> > and waited with an important customer, do you think this problem will
> > be solved by the FOSS community?
> 
> this has nothing to do with whatever MS does or doesn't do - we are
> simple creatures and comforted with simple things like some indication
> of progress.
>

Even if such an indication is either not theoretically possible or
meaningless.

Robert.
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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Craig White]

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 21:56 -0400, Robert Myers wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Timothy Murphy 
> wrote:
> 
> It really would be helpful if developers could make sure
> that some kind of message, even if it is just a row of dots,
> comes up from time to time.
> 
> 
> The most general response to your request would appear to require
> violation of the Halting Theorem.  I think you could force a dot with
> an interrupt, but it wouldn't really tell you anything.  The program
> could still be hung.
> 
> 
> As it is, the problem is even more complicated than what is
> contemplated by the Halting Theorem, since an installer depends on
> expected responses from hardware.  If the response never comes...
> 
> 
> You could be getting dot dot dot, and it wouldn't mean a thing.  Sort
> of like waiting for Godot.
> 
> 
> If some poor soul at Microsoft couldn't deliver a version of Vista
> that reassured Steve Ballmer (who allegedly throws furniture) that
> wonderful new Vista was actually doing something while he sat there
> and waited with an important customer, do you think this problem will
> be solved by the FOSS community?

this has nothing to do with whatever MS does or doesn't do - we are
simple creatures and comforted with simple things like some indication
of progress.

I agree with Ed - file an RFE against preupgrade for progress indicators
along the way (though I do remember seeing progress indications when
under GTK so I gather this is after reboot and during automatic
installation phase and it probably was already contemplated).

Craig



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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Robert Myers]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:

>
> It really would be helpful if developers could make sure
> that some kind of message, even if it is just a row of dots,
> comes up from time to time.
>

The most general response to your request would appear to require violation
of the Halting Theorem.  I think you could force a dot with an interrupt,
but it wouldn't really tell you anything.  The program could still be hung.

As it is, the problem is even more complicated than what is contemplated by
the Halting Theorem, since an installer depends on expected responses from
hardware.  If the response never comes...

You could be getting dot dot dot, and it wouldn't mean a thing.  Sort of
like waiting for Godot.

If some poor soul at Microsoft couldn't deliver a version of Vista that
reassured Steve Ballmer (who allegedly throws furniture) that wonderful new
Vista was actually doing something while he sat there and waited with an
important customer, do you think this problem will be solved by the FOSS
community?

Robert.
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Re: Generating modprobe files

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Wed, 7/7/10, Alex  wrote:

> From: Alex 
> Subject: Generating modprobe files
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 5:45 PM
> Hi,
> 
> What is the procedure or process to regenerate the
> /etc/modprobe.d
> files, particularly the ones that define the module for the
> ethernet
> drivers?
> 
> I'd like to generate the aliases for all the modules that
> are
> currently loaded on the system, so they are loaded
> automatically on
> the next boot.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
> -- 

Alex,

One should not mess with /etc/modprobe.d/ directory, unless a particular driver 
needs/specifies a file to be added there.  Thus modprobe.conf file has been 
deprecated for sometime.  

If you added new hardware, and you booted and everything worked, then 
everything should be fine.  If something did not work, and you need to add a 
file in /etc/modprobe.d/ directory, then add it and reboot.  But this should 
not be needed anymore.  udev usually takes care of these things automagically 
most of the time.  

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Floating point exception (core dumped) when exec busybox in Fedora 13

[Jerry Wang]

the busybox is 1.16.2, build on Fedora 13 as static linked. It results
floating point exception when I exec it as:

[jer...@localhost busybox-1.16.2]$ ./busybox ping www.google.com
Floating point exception (core dumped)
[jer...@localhost busybox-1.16.2]$ rpm -qa | grep gcc
gcc-c++-4.4.4-10.fc13.i686
gcc-4.4.4-10.fc13.i686
libgcc-4.4.4-10.fc13.i686
[jer...@localhost busybox-1.16.2]$ file ./busybox
./busybox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1
(GNU/Linux), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped

I need static link busybox. Any suggestion? 

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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Dick Roark]

Instead of trying to open the link, download the file and open that.  It
worked for me.


On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Thomas Taylor  wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 10:36:49 -0700
> Konstantin Svist  wrote:
>
> >   On 07/07/2010 10:01 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > > I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> > > PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
> > >
> > >
> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
> > >
> > > Can anyone else ?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> >
> > Okular takes a few seconds for each zoom level and stops working after
> > 120% (just shows a white rectangle instead of the image)
> >
>
> It will work in okular if when the main map goes white, you move the
> selection
> box on the preview map.
>
> Tom
>
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Re: Spam in 'Unmatched' folder - [SORRY WRONG LIST]

[William Case]

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 15:22 -0400, William Case wrote:
> Hi;
> 
> Just virgin installed Fedora 13 with Evolution 2.20.3 upgrade.
> Bogofilter s on.  Spam in 'Unmatched' folder no longer being removed
> when marked junk. A copy then appears in Junk folder.  Deleting the spam
> in 'Unmatched' deletes it from the 'Junk' folder as well.
> 
> Is anybody else experiencing this? Should I file it as a bug?
> 
> -- 
> Regards Bill
> Fedora 13, Gnome 2.30.2
> Evo.2.20.2, Emacs 23.2.1
> 

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Re: Printing problem on FC13

[Alex]

Hi,

I thought it might be worth reporting that the recent slew of printing
updates has not fixed the problem with the Brother HL-5070N driver.

>> I know that you now have your printer working, but I'd be very grateful
>> if you could re-visit this and have another go at getting
>> troubleshooting information about this problem.

I've also tried removing the printer entirely and adding it again.
I've also tried virtually all, if not all, of the drivers, with the
same result -- it just spews page after page of only "ERROR" on the
page.

Thanks,
Alex
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Generating modprobe files

[Alex]

Hi,

What is the procedure or process to regenerate the /etc/modprobe.d
files, particularly the ones that define the module for the ethernet
drivers?

I'd like to generate the aliases for all the modules that are
currently loaded on the system, so they are loaded automatically on
the next boot.

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/08/2010 08:37 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> I assume you will fill a RFE (Request for Enhancement)?  :-) :-)
>
>   
File, file, file.   Native English speakers have PEBKAC too

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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Wed, 7/7/10, Timothy Murphy  wrote:

> From: Timothy Murphy 
> Subject: The quietness of preupgrade
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 4:22 PM
> 
> I preupgraded from F-12 to F-13 today,
> and it nearly all went well.
> But I found the long periods when nothing seemed to be
> happening
> off-putting, to put it mildly.
> 
> It spent 30-60 minutes "searching for storage" -
> what is that about?
> I assumed the program had hung, but I was watching the
> World Cup,
> so didn't mind waiting,
> and was amazed to find the program actually returned to
> life
> just as the game ended.
> 
> It really would be helpful if developers could make sure
> that some kind of message, even if it is just a row of
> dots,
> comes up from time to time.
> 
> -- 


A message telling you pregupgrade cannot continue since Germany is losing to 
Spain, it just has 11 minutes to catch up if it has a chance of working?

Or we are going to overtime to install this, are you ready for penalty kicks?



Actually, one of the major problems of preupgrade has been the small boot 
partition(200MB) and Fedora 13 has addressed this by making the boot partition 
500 MB.  Other than that, preupgrade should work fine.  

Regards,

Antonio 

P.S
Who do you like in the final?
Holland or Spain?

Germany was playing beautifully up until today, I am actually disappointed that 
we did not have overtime or penalty kicks :(  I love those Panneka shots like 
Loco Abreu took for Uruguay, but has not happened.  All of this of course not 
on the final.  I would like the final to be won in added time, with a 
goalkeeper scoring, either by a header or a kick.  I would like to see the 
goalkeeper score one, because normally one does not see these things happen :(  
But it does add fun to the GAME :)  


  
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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/08/2010 07:22 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I preupgraded from F-12 to F-13 today,
> and it nearly all went well.
> But I found the long periods when nothing seemed to be happening
> off-putting, to put it mildly.
>
> It spent 30-60 minutes "searching for storage" -
> what is that about?
> I assumed the program had hung, but I was watching the World Cup,
> so didn't mind waiting,
> and was amazed to find the program actually returned to life
> just as the game ended.
>   
Maybe it was watching too?
> It really would be helpful if developers could make sure
> that some kind of message, even if it is just a row of dots,
> comes up from time to time.
>
>   
I assume you will fill a RFE (Request for Enhancement)?  :-) :-)


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The quietness of preupgrade

[Timothy Murphy]

I preupgraded from F-12 to F-13 today,
and it nearly all went well.
But I found the long periods when nothing seemed to be happening
off-putting, to put it mildly.

It spent 30-60 minutes "searching for storage" -
what is that about?
I assumed the program had hung, but I was watching the World Cup,
so didn't mind waiting,
and was amazed to find the program actually returned to life
just as the game ended.

It really would be helpful if developers could make sure
that some kind of message, even if it is just a row of dots,
comes up from time to time.

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s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Thomas Taylor]

On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 10:36:49 -0700
Konstantin Svist  wrote:

>   On 07/07/2010 10:01 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> > PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
> >
> > http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
> >
> > Can anyone else ?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> 
> Okular takes a few seconds for each zoom level and stops working after 
> 120% (just shows a white rectangle instead of the image)
> 

It will work in okular if when the main map goes white, you move the selection
box on the preview map.

Tom

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Re: nvidia driver issues -- SOLVED

[Gerhard Magnus]

On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 17:35 -0400, Mauriat Miranda wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Gerhard Magnus  wrote:

> Sadly the proprietary nvidia driver is a mess.
> 
> The best answer to all your questions is: Try and see.  If you don't
> have problems then you're fine.
> 
> > QUESTION: Google tells me that specifying "nomodeset" basically tells
> > the system to use an older set of software/drivers which does work but
> > may be slower or have some other issues that people would like to
> > eliminate. Is the "nomodeset" parameter necessary in this case?
> 
> Some people claim the driver didn't work without it, while others
> (myself included) have found it made no noticeable difference(?).  It
> only takes 1 extra reboot to test this.
> 
> > The rpmfusion.org/Howto/nVidia instructions also say that SElinux
> > protection should be lowered:
> > setsebool -P allow_execstack on
> >
> > QUESTION: Is this really necessary? Does it risk compromising the
> > security of my system?
> 
> I would guess no (not any more).  I didn't need it when I tested it on
> a few different systems.  I think it was needed once upon a time.
> Again, test your installation without running that command (more
> secure).  If you find SELinux errors in your log files or that the
> driver won't load due to SElinux then execute that command.
> 
> > MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION: Suppose this doesn't work and the reboot hangs
> > (presumably with the X startup). Will I be able to use a previous kernel
> > (on the grub menu) or will yum have automatically associated
> > kmod-nvidia-PAE with all the retained kernels? Or is the back-out
> > procedure (from run level 3) to (1) yum remove kmod-nvidia-PAE (2) take
> > out the extra parameters on the kernel line in grub.conf, and (3)
> > reboot?
> 
> Typically when you 'yum' install the Nvidia driver like this, it is
> built for a specific kernel.  The yum command may also install a new
> kernel in order to match the nvidia driver.  Going back the previous
> kernel should work (I think).  Try and see, no harm done.
> 
> In the case of a locked X-server, you can as you state go back to runlevel 3.
> To force this at grub, hit a key to see the kernels menu and select
> one but don't hit enter.
> Hit 'E' (to edit) and scroll to the end of the 'kernel' line and add '3'.
> Then hit enter and 'B' to boot.
> Then you can do the steps you stated to remove.

I've been able to replace the nouveau driver with an nvidia one by (1)
adding rdblacklist=nouveau to the active kernel entry in grub.conf and
(2) yum install kmod-nvidia-PAE. The last little "Gotcha!" for his
problem was the need to run nvidia-settings as root (rather than from
the Applications --> System Tools --> nvidia Display Settings menu):

sudo nvidia-settings

Otherwise I was unable to permanently activate the second monitor by
saving the X configuration file.\

Thanks for the help with this!


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Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

[Andrew Robinson]

On 07/07/2010 01:47 PM, Darr wrote:
>>> Question showing my ignorance of what acpi is. If pci=noacpi works
>>> or does not work, what clues is that giving me?
>>>
>>
>> I didn't respond earlier because we've reached my level of ignorance
>> too.
>
>
> ACPI is the successor/combination of plug&  play, advanced
> power management, et al...
>
> If you have disabled ACPI and it did not make a difference, I
> would say the clue it's giving you is ACPI is not causing the error.
>
>
> APIC, on the other hand, has to do with interrupt timing. Do you
> see any options in your BIOS for enabling/disabling/changing
> APIC's slices or timing?
>
> Are you overclocking your RAM or CPU[s]?
>

Specifying apci=off in grub seems to have worked. Now I've booted with 
pci=noacpi, and so far it seems to be working. I'll let it run overnight 
with the X screensaver on to see if it cares to lock up. Then I'll try 
the nolapic and noapic options. Then I'll figure out what to try next.

I looked in the BIOS but did not see any options for fine tuning timing 
or slices. I'll look again next time I reboot. How should I manipulate 
slices or timing if I find that capability? And no, I'm not 
overclocking, at least not intentionally :).

Thanks for the questions. Please keep them coming.
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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Aaron Konstam]

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 11:01 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: 
> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
> 
> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
> 
> Can anyone else ?
> 
> Thanks
> 

Works for me with Adobe Reader
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Re: Getting S/PDIF output working

[JD]

  On 07/07/2010 12:51 PM, Alan Nicoll wrote:
> PROBLEM: No sound coming out of my Denon Receiver that is hooked to my 
> pc via optical cable connected to the S/PDIF port.  If I set the 
> system up to output to speakers connected to the green port I can get 
> sound.
>
> SYSTEM:
> Athlon 64x2 processor
> ASUS M4A78L-M motherboard
> [r...@nn nck]# cat /proc/asound/cards
>  0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
>   HDA ATI SB at 0xfe8f4000 irq 16
>  1 [HDMI   ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI
>   HDA ATI HDMI at 0xfeae8000 irq 26
> [r...@nn nck]# uname -r
> 2.6.33.3-85.fc13.x86_64
> [r...@nn nck]# uname -a
> Linux NN.FRONT 2.6.33.3-85.fc13.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu May 6 18:09:49 UTC 
> 2010 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> [r...@nn nck]# uname -m
> x86_64
>
> SOFTWARE:
>   Fedora 13_64, fully updated.
>
> SETUP:
> Hovering the mouse over the speaker icon in the top bar shows "Output 
> 100%; 0.0db, RS780 Azalia Controller Digital Stereo (HDMI) so I am 
> assuming that is the default sound output.
> I went into alsamixer and muted everything except the SPDIF bars in 
> both cards.
>
> TEST:
> I test the system by opening sound preferences, hardware tab, 
> selecting the RS780 Azalia controller and running the Test Speakers 
> app.  I do not get any sound.  I have my Denon set to Aux, 0db and Aux 
> is set to Optical 1 and that port is connected to my pc.  I can see 
> light coming from the end of the cable when the pc is on.
>
> HISTORY:
> I have been working this problem since 1JUL10.  I first installed 
> MythDora 12 and learned a lot about alsa, drivers, mixers and linux 
> sound then started over from scratch with Fedora 13.  I quickly got to 
> the same point.
>
> Nick
> "Open source costs time instead of money."
On my system, I have to enable S/PDIF in the BIOS
before I can use it. However, on my machine, it seems
to be used only for audio output.
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Re: flash

[JD]

  On 07/07/2010 12:06 PM, solarflow99 wrote:
> What is the recommended flash player these days?  I tried with gnash,
> and its still not working right.
None of them will work perfectly, but
so far, the Adobe flash player plugin
seems to work ok. On rare occasions,
it crashes in the browser.
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Getting S/PDIF output working

[Alan Nicoll]

PROBLEM: No sound coming out of my Denon Receiver that is hooked to my pc
via optical cable connected to the S/PDIF port.  If I set the system up to
output to speakers connected to the green port I can get sound.

SYSTEM:
Athlon 64x2 processor
ASUS M4A78L-M motherboard
[r...@nn nck]# cat /proc/asound/cards
 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
  HDA ATI SB at 0xfe8f4000 irq 16
 1 [HDMI   ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI
  HDA ATI HDMI at 0xfeae8000 irq 26
[r...@nn nck]# uname -r
2.6.33.3-85.fc13.x86_64
[r...@nn nck]# uname -a
Linux NN.FRONT 2.6.33.3-85.fc13.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu May 6 18:09:49 UTC 2010
x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[r...@nn nck]# uname -m
x86_64

SOFTWARE:
  Fedora 13_64, fully updated.

SETUP:
Hovering the mouse over the speaker icon in the top bar shows "Output 100%;
0.0db, RS780 Azalia Controller Digital Stereo (HDMI) so I am assuming that
is the default sound output.
I went into alsamixer and muted everything except the SPDIF bars in both
cards.

TEST:
I test the system by opening sound preferences, hardware tab, selecting the
RS780 Azalia controller and running the Test Speakers app.  I do not get any
sound.  I have my Denon set to Aux, 0db and Aux is set to Optical 1 and that
port is connected to my pc.  I can see light coming from the end of the
cable when the pc is on.

HISTORY:
I have been working this problem since 1JUL10.  I first installed
MythDora 12 and learned a lot about alsa, drivers, mixers and linux sound
then started over from scratch with Fedora 13.  I quickly got to the same
point.

Nick
"Open source costs time instead of money."
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[389-users] Limiting access to specific hosts.

[Fairchild, Anthony]

Hello,

 

I have gotten 389 directory up and running and am beginning to add
users, but would like to know how to restrict a user to only logging in
to a specific host or a group of hosts. Could anybody point me to some
documentation on this? I don't seem to be having much luck finding it
through Google.

 

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Spam in 'Unmatched' folder no longer being removed when marked junk ?!?

[William Case]

Hi;

Just virgin installed Fedora 13 with Evolution 2.20.3 upgrade.
Bogofilter s on.  Spam in 'Unmatched' folder no longer being removed
when marked junk. A copy then appears in Junk folder.  Deleting the spam
in 'Unmatched' deletes it from the 'Junk' folder as well.

Is anybody else experiencing this? Should I file it as a bug?

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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Marco Guazzone]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Greg Woods  wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 11:01 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
>> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
>> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
>>
>> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
>>
>> Can anyone else ?
>
>
> It takes a while to load, but I have no problem loading that document
> with evince (known to Firefox as "Document Viewer") under F12.

Tried with evince, acroread and xpdf at 200% of zoom.
It loads in a few seconds

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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Greg Woods]

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 11:01 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
> 
> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
> 
> Can anyone else ?


It takes a while to load, but I have no problem loading that document
with evince (known to Firefox as "Document Viewer") under F12.

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flash

[solarflow99]

What is the recommended flash player these days?  I tried with gnash,
and its still not working right.
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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[JD]

  On 07/07/2010 10:29 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 19:25 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote:
>> On 07/07/10 19:01, Linuxguy123 wrote:
>>> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
>>> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
>>>
>>> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
>>>
>>> Can anyone else ?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>> Yes, I can, using AdobeReader_deu-9.3.2-1.i486 (the german acroread
>> version). I can zoom to 100% or more.
> Please try 200% or more and report back.  It works fine for me at 100%
> as well.
>
I am late to this thread .
but, have you tried to yum install evince?
Works here!!
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Re: F12 updates having a slow week?

[Kam Leo]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Steve Blackwell  wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:42:52 +0900
> Joel Rees  wrote:
>
>> Yesterday, and, I think, the day before, yum update said no updates.
>>
>> The day before that, and today, less than 10 MB, when I'm accustomed
>> to 60M or 120M or so.
>>
>> Slow week for updates, or have I got a rogue mirror in my cache?
>>
>> Joel Rees
>
> My vote is for "just slow". I upgraded from F11->F12 a few days ago and
> I have had only one update since.
>
> Steve

My vote is rest of the world has a life. They go on holiday. If you
have not experienced it lately, sunshine actually feels good!

Hope you had a happy 4th, etc. ;-)
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Re: Chrome crashes F13

[Steven Stern]

On 07/01/2010 08:13 AM, Steven Stern wrote:
> I can reliably cause my F13 system to crash by browsing the web in
> Chrome (from the Google repository).
>
> The scenario is (1) start chrome and (2) start normal browsing behavior.
> Pretty soon, I get DNS timeouts and the system load applet shows the
> load average climbing. Today, I was able to kill chrome as load average
> passed 18. Although the load average dropped, other applications were
> left in various states and I was unable to reboot the system cleanly.
>
> Is anyone else seeing this sort of behavior from Chrome?
>
> Current kernel is 2.6.33.5-124.fc13.i686.PAE
> I'm currently using google-chrome-beta-5.0.375.86-49890.i386.
>
>
I have switched to chrome-stable and still have lockups that occur 
shortly after opening Chrome.  Is there any way I can get some logging 
or debugging tool that might enable me to report more clearly what's 
happening?  Nothing currently gets logged.

Currently using google-chrome-stable-5.0.375.99-51029.i386
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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Athmane Madjoudj]

On 07/07/2010 06:01 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
>
> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
>
> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
>
> Can anyone else ?
>
> Thanks
>

I tried Google Docs' pdf viewer:

http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf

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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Roger K. Wells]

On 07/07/2010 01:03 PM, Alan Holt wrote:
Just try Adobe Reader for Linux if you have some problems with Linux 
based PDF reader


2010/7/7 Linuxguy123 >



I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.


http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf

Can anyone else ?


looks ok in adobe reader 9.3 dated 12/22/2009
roger wells


Thanks

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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Paolo Galtieri]

On 07/07/2010 10:36 AM, Konstantin Svist wrote:
>On 07/07/2010 10:01 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
>
>> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
>> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
>>
>> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
>>
>> Can anyone else ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>  
> Okular takes a few seconds for each zoom level and stops working after
> 120% (just shows a white rectangle instead of the image)
>
>
I had no problem zooming to 400% using Adobe Acrobat Reader for Linux 
(AdobeReader_enu.i486).

Paolo
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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Dale J. Chatham]

fc13 x86_64 with  acroread, works fine.  It's a large PDF with lots of 
detail, thus kinda slow.

On 07/07/2010 12:01 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
>
> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
>
> Can anyone else ?
>
> Thanks
>
>


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Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

[Darr]

>> Question showing my ignorance of what acpi is. If pci=noacpi works
>> or does not work, what clues is that giving me? 
>> 
> 
> I didn't respond earlier because we've reached my level of ignorance
> too. 


ACPI is the successor/combination of plug & play, advanced
power management, et al...

If you have disabled ACPI and it did not make a difference, I
would say the clue it's giving you is ACPI is not causing the error.


APIC, on the other hand, has to do with interrupt timing. Do you
see any options in your BIOS for enabling/disabling/changing
APIC's slices or timing?

Are you overclocking your RAM or CPU[s]?

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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Konstantin Svist]

  On 07/07/2010 10:01 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
>
> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
>
> Can anyone else ?
>
> Thanks
>

Okular takes a few seconds for each zoom level and stops working after 
120% (just shows a white rectangle instead of the image)

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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Linuxguy123]

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 20:03 +0300, Alan Holt wrote:
> Just try Adobe Reader for Linux if you have some problems with Linux
> based PDF reader

I did.

$ yum list \*AdobeReader\*
Installed Packages
AdobeReader_enu.i486
9.3.2-1  @adobe-linux-i386

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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Todd Zullinger]

Tom H wrote:
> You (Todd) and others have the following:
> from  Felipe Contreras 
> reply-to  Community support for Fedora users 
> 
> toCommunity support for Fedora users 
> date  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:10 AM
> subject   Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
> mailing list  users.lists.fedoraproject.org Filter messages from this
> mailing list
> mailed-by lists.fedoraproject.org
> unsubscribe   Unsubscribe from this mailing-list
>
> and hitting reply results in having the following in the to: field
> Community support for Fedora users ,
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org
>
> For Felipe, it is:
> from  Felipe Contreras 
> reply-to  Community support for Fedora users 
> 
> toCommunity support for Fedora users 
> date  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:44 AM
> subject   Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
> mailing list  users.lists.fedoraproject.org Filter messages from this
> mailing list
> mailed-by lists.fedoraproject.org
> unsubscribe   Unsubscribe from this mailing-list
>
> and
> Community support for Fedora users 

It might be gmail doing this to you.  The reply-to and from fields
don't match exactly, so perhaps they're "helpfully" addressing the
mail to both.  My MUA (mutt) doesn't do this no matter how I reply
(list-reply, reply, or reply-all).

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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Linuxguy123]

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 19:28 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote:
> I tested evince, it's really slow, but acroread will open it very
> fast!

Try scaling to 200% or more to see some detail. 

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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Linuxguy123]

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 19:25 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote:
> On 07/07/10 19:01, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > 
> > I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> > PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
> > 
> > http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
> > 
> > Can anyone else ?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> 
> Yes, I can, using AdobeReader_deu-9.3.2-1.i486 (the german acroread
> version). I can zoom to 100% or more.

Please try 200% or more and report back.  It works fine for me at 100%
as well.

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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Linuxguy123]

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 13:20 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 07 July 2010, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
> >On 07/07/2010 01:01 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> >> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> >> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
> >>
> >> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_p
> >>athways_map.pdf

The document is only 4.8 MB.   I downloaded it locally and it ran at the
same speed.   I don't think it has anything to do with the site.

LG


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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Joachim Backes]

On 07/07/10 19:06, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
> On 07/07/2010 01:01 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
>>
>> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
>> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
>>
>> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
>>
>> Can anyone else ?
> 
> It loads for me in Evince, but it is EXTREMELY slow.

I tested evince, it's really slow, but acroread will open it very fast!
> 
> - Mike


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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Joachim Backes]

On 07/07/10 19:01, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> 
> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
> 
> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
> 
> Can anyone else ?
> 
> Thanks
> 

Yes, I can, using AdobeReader_deu-9.3.2-1.i486 (the german acroread
version). I can zoom to 100% or more.

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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 07 July 2010, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
>On 07/07/2010 01:01 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
>> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
>> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
>>
>> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_p
>>athways_map.pdf
>>
>> Can anyone else ?
>
>It loads for me in Evince, but it is EXTREMELY slow.

And it loaded for me in swiftfox, but your use of all caps is an 
understatement, I'd nominate that site for slowest of the week.
>- Mike
>


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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Darr]

On Wednesday, 07 July, 2010 @ 10:19 zulu, Felipe Contreras scribed:

> Wrong; that spam mail is totally unrelated.
> 
> Say moderation was enabled, and I was made moderator *today*. Would
> any extra spam reach your inbox? No.
> 
> *I* (the moderator) would have to approve it first. If I'm bad at my
> job I would not be processing mails very fast, but approving spam is
> something no sober normal human would do (only perhaps in vary rare
> occasions).

Cleverly-crafted spam can be difficult to discern sometimes.

Suppose a non-subscriber wanting to drive traffic to their site
posts a link to it and claims they're having a hard time
reaching it while using some browser in fedora...

Should the moderator try that in multiple browsers to see if there
is really a problem or just pass the message on to the list?

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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Suvayu Ali]

On Wednesday 07 July 2010 10:01 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
>
> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
>
> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
>
> Can anyone else ?
>

I see it fine with evince. Does that help?

> Thanks
>


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Re: Making things easier for lurkers (was Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

[Darr]

On Wednesday, 07 July, 2010 @ 05:43 zulu, Joel Rees scribed:

> Okay, the digest listing does give us the message-ID line from
> the headers, so it shouldn't be too hard to maintain threading
> with a little extra copy/paste.  If your MUA doesn't provide a
> way to set arbitrary headers, though, that won't work after all.

The digest should include all the messages as attachments, and
replying to the opened message should put its message-ID in
the "In-Reply-To:" header so threading works correctly (in
IMAP or in the web-archived version).

I learned that not long ago in this very mailing list, by the way.  :-)

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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak]

On 07/07/2010 01:01 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
>
> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
>
> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
>
> Can anyone else ?

It loads for me in Evince, but it is EXTREMELY slow.

- Mike
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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Alan Holt]

Just try Adobe Reader for Linux if you have some problems with Linux
based PDF reader

2010/7/7 Linuxguy123 

>
> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
>
>
> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
>
> Can anyone else ?
>
> Thanks
>
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I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Linuxguy123]

I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.

http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf

Can anyone else ?

Thanks

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Re: fedora 13 so many bugs

[solarflow99]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Robert Myers  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:15 AM, solarflow99  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, I used F-12 and it worked perfectly, so it is definitely
>> something to do with x86 F-13's anaconda.  seems strange i'm the only
>> one to encounter this.  I tried both with a HD and DVD install, the
>> media was tested and she shasum matched, so I dont know why...
>> I never did find an updates.img with all the cumulative fixes included
>> which might have helped.  I am doing this on a HP P-4 2.8Ghz 1GB 80G
>> IDE, memtest86 passed
>
> Sounds like an older system.  Does your Pentium 4 support x86_64?  Are you
> using the correct installer image?
> Robert.


I mentioned I did a HD and a DVD install, so I don't see how it could
have anything to do with the burn speed, I only recorded at 8x
anyways.  When using the HD install, I has an ISO on a USB drive and
the problems were the same, but with F-12 it was perfect.  This was
with the x86 build and I definitely used the right images and files.
If I could have used a updated anaconda and still had these problems I
could report it, there's no point if they might be known problems
already.
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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Tom Horsley]

On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 10:41:20 -0500
Bruno Wolff III wrote:

> I have seen people ask about this on other lists (not related to Fedora)
> where I don't do reply munging.

That's the real key to the problem - so many lists do it so many
different ways that it is hard to keep track of what to do on
any specific list. It would be much simpler to do the right thing
if that right thing was the same for all mailing lists :-).
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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 15:44:24 +0300,
  Felipe Contreras  wrote:
> 
> > Including plenty of people who explicitly ask not to be personally CCed,
> > yea, even to the point of putting such a request at the top of _every_
> > post they make.
> 
> *Some* nut-jobs might not like to be Cc'ed. You still have not
> explained *why* they wouldn't want that, and you still haven't
> provided any evidence that there are *plenty* of cases.

The proper way for people to do that is to use a mail-followup-to header
that doesn't include their email address.
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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 13:02:37 +0300,
  Felipe Contreras  wrote:
> 
> Who are those mythical creatures that don't know about "reply to all"?
> I keep hearing about them, but as far as I know everybody that knows
> how to send email knows to send mail to more than one recipient, which
> requires knowledge of "reply to all". No?

If you read this thread there are posts that strong suggest that some of the
respondents in this thread either don't know about reply to all or refuse
to use it.

I have seen people ask about this on other lists (not related to Fedora)
where I don't do reply munging. Some people really expect reply to sender
to reply to the list.
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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Tom H]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Todd Zullinger  wrote:
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>
>> For some reason when I receive mail from you I see:
>> reply-to: Community support for Fedora users
>> , users@lists.fedoraproject.org
>
> It must be your mail client or something along the way.  That's not
> the what the reply-to field is in my messages.  It's simply:
> Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users 

You (Todd) and others have the following:
fromFelipe Contreras 
reply-toCommunity support for Fedora users 

to  Community support for Fedora users 
dateWed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:10 AM
subject Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
mailing listusers.lists.fedoraproject.org Filter messages from this
mailing list
mailed-by   lists.fedoraproject.org
unsubscribe Unsubscribe from this mailing-list

and hitting reply results in having the following in the to: field
Community support for Fedora users ,
users@lists.fedoraproject.org

For Felipe, it is:
fromFelipe Contreras 
reply-toCommunity support for Fedora users 

to  Community support for Fedora users 
dateWed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:44 AM
subject Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
mailing listusers.lists.fedoraproject.org Filter messages from this
mailing list
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unsubscribe Unsubscribe from this mailing-list

and
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Re: no sound on F11, F12 and now F13 but sound on Omega 12 live??? wtf??

[Rick Sewill]

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On a different track, again to help the original poster.

In other messages on this thread, it sounded like the original poster
was using a driver, ens1370, which some people thought was suspect.

Is there a tool that can talk directly to the driver, bypassing Alsa,
OSS, Pulse Audio, everything, so one can see if the driver can generate
sound through the card?

We will probably need to know all the steps to use such a tool?

For example, wouldn't we need to stop certain services or applications
that might have exclusive use of the driver/device/card?

==

Another question, in regard to this ens1370 driver, are there any
/var/log/messages regarding this driver.

==

Another question, should the original poster try OSS?

- From the /var/log/messages in another message from the original poster,
"Jul  4 14:55:03 davehost pulseaudio[2120]: alsa-util.c:
snd_pcm_avail() returned a value that is exceptionally large:
18446744073709522368 bytes (418293516244 ms).
Jul  4 14:55:03 davehost pulseaudio[2120]: alsa-util.c: Most likely
this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_ens1370'. Please report this
issue to the ALSA developers."

Is it possible OSS would use a different driver and have more success
with that driver?  Is the ens1370 driver an ALSA driver?

==

Another question regarding what is in the /var/log/messages please?
Are there many Pulse Audio messages just prior to this message that says
"value that is exceptionally large?"

I ask, because, I tried searching Bugzilla for similar bugs.
Some bug reports indicate sound continued to work, but there was
stuttering.  Others said sound stopped working after a few minutes.  One
said sound did not work.

Following said sound stopped working after a yum update:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=572322

Following said "log of alsa-util's messages about snd_hda_intel
malfunction" and "When I try to obtain Surround 4.0 sound instead of
classic Stereo sound from a soundcard capable of Surround 5.1 I see in
/var/log/messages"
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=537714
This bug report brings up a question about the Sound Blaster card,
(again I am showing my ignorance), does the Sound Blaster Card support
multiple variations in sound (Surround sound, classic stereo, etc)?
Do any of these other variations in sound work?

Finally, is the Pulse Audio server crashing?  I found the following bug
report, which said pulseaudio is crashing?
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530650

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[389-users] Password History in a Replicated Environment

[Gerrard Geldenhuis]

Hi
The documentation clearly states that password modification history is not 
replicated including account lockout counters. To me that seems a bit pointless 
to have if your servers are authenticating against a cluster of 4 machines. 
There is no guarantee that next time when you change your password that the 
history will be captured by the same server. 

I am sure I am not the only person that has had to deal with this dilemma and 
am curious about other possible solutions to this problem. The problem being to 
keep a shared used password between multi masters. I would really appreciate 
any thoughts or shared expierences in dealing with the limitations of the 
password policy in a multimaster environment.

Regards


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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Todd Zullinger]

Felipe Contreras wrote:
> At least you can remove the "Your message to $foo awaits moderator
> approval" automatic reply; it's clearly a lie.

I don't receive those messages when I post from a non-subscribed
address.

> For some reason when I receive mail from you I see:
> reply-to: Community support for Fedora users
> , users@lists.fedoraproject.org
>
> There's something wrong there.

It must be your mail client or something along the way.  That's not
the what the reply-to field is in my messages.  It's simply:

Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users 

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Re: F12 updates having a slow week?

[Steve Blackwell]

On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:42:52 +0900
Joel Rees  wrote:

> Yesterday, and, I think, the day before, yum update said no updates.
> 
> The day before that, and today, less than 10 MB, when I'm accustomed
> to 60M or 120M or so.
> 
> Slow week for updates, or have I got a rogue mirror in my cache?
> 
> Joel Rees

My vote is for "just slow". I upgraded from F11->F12 a few days ago and
I have had only one update since.

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Re: Making things easier for lurkers (was Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

[Todd Zullinger]

Joel Rees wrote:
> Okay, the digest listing does give us the message-ID line from the
> headers, so it shouldn't be too hard to maintain threading with a
> little extra copy/paste.  If your MUA doesn't provide a way to set
> arbitrary headers, though, that won't work after all.

If you use the MIME-style digest instead of the plain text version,
you don't have to worry about extracting the message-id and inserting
it into your MUA.  You'll simply get a digest that contains a series
of rfc822 message parts.  Most MUA's should be able to reply directly
to any of these parts and the threading will remain intact.

> I'm thinking it would be nice to have the html archives set up so
> that, if you've logged in (as you do to change your mail settings),
> you could click a link in the post and the list server would ship
> you a copy of the post you're looking at, with all the addresses
> clipped, and the original sender replaced with the list address, and
> the message-ID intact for threading.
>
> That could help resolve the discussion about setting the return
> address to the list, as well.
>
> I suppose I should cobble together some sort of demo.

The main issue here is that unless you get this included in upstream
Mailman or create a drop-in replacement for the Mailman archiver, it's
not likely that it will be installed on lists.fedoraproject.org.
We're not very keen on running patched up versions of our tools unless
it is absolutely necessary.  It makes updating in the event of a
security or other critical bug more painful than it needs to be.

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Re: fedora 13 so many bugs

[Robert Myers]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:15 AM, solarflow99  wrote:

>
>
>
> Well, I used F-12 and it worked perfectly, so it is definitely
> something to do with x86 F-13's anaconda.  seems strange i'm the only
> one to encounter this.  I tried both with a HD and DVD install, the
> media was tested and she shasum matched, so I dont know why...
> I never did find an updates.img with all the cumulative fixes included
> which might have helped.  I am doing this on a HP P-4 2.8Ghz 1GB 80G
> IDE, memtest86 passed
>

Sounds like an older system.  Does your Pentium 4 support x86_64?  Are you
using the correct installer image?

Robert.
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Re: no sound on F11, F12 and now F13 but sound on Omega 12 live??? wtf??

[Rick Sewill]

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On 07/06/2010 10:38 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Rick Sewill wrote:
>> On 07/05/2010 10:23 PM, Rick Sewill wrote:
> .
>> I am wondering if OSS is enabled on your system.
>>
>> Please look for things related to OSS in
>> /etc/modprobe.conf (if it exists)
>> and /etc/modprobe.d
>> Please make sure the line in /etc/modprobe.d/dist-oss.conf is
>> commented out.
>>
>> Please do, lsmod | grep snd
>> Please make sure there is nothing like snd-pcm-oss or snd-seq-oss
>> installed.
>>
> I think you have this totally backward. There are many applications which use 
> the /dev/dsp* devices, and which will produce no sound unless they are 
> present. 
> In fact, I think the majority of older hardware does not have support for 
> sound 
> other than oss. As I look at my newest TV card it has stuff in /dev/dvb, 
> while 
> the other 4-5 cards which have been happily in use do not.
> 
> To test (as root):
>modprobe -v snd-pcm-oss
>{test applications for sound here}
> 
> A lot of people have functional old hardware they can't replace, for 
> financial 
> or technical reasons. That's why there is oss support, to support the 
> hardware 
> which needs it.
> 

This is something I didn't know.  As I said, audio still confuses me.

Our goal should be to help the original poster.

In this regard, this new information raises a number of questions.

I am hoping someone will say there is a wiki or web page that answers
these questions (and questions I didn't think of).

The questions, I hope, which might be of use to the original poster are
as follows:
1) for what hardware should one use OSS as opposed to Pulse Audio.
   I did a quick internet search, but failed to find such a list.
   I am hoping others can help.

   This question is to help the original poster decide if they should
   switch to OSS and see if it works.

2) How does one tell if OSS is being used?
   I assume, if I do lsmod | grep oss, I will see if the OSS modules
   are being loaded.

3) How does one switch from Pulse Audio to OSS?
   I assume one needs to edit files in /etc/modules.d/*.conf
   or /etc/modules.conf.
   Files to be edited might include dist-oss.conf and blacklist.conf
   and others?  Am I right?

   Are there other files one needs to edit?
   Are there any rpms one needs to install?
   Are there any rpms one needs to remove?

   Are there any application configuration changes one needs to make?
   I assume applications can be configured to use the OSS api, as well
   as the ALSA api and/or Pulse Audio API.

4) How does one switch from OSS back to Pulse Audio?
   Is the answer to this the inverse of the answer to question 3?
   I.e., edit files /etc/modules.d/*.conf or /etc/modules.conf
   Install certain rpms?
   Remove certain rpms?

5) is there a web page that describes the tools one uses when using OSS?
   Are these the tools: http://www.opensound.com/ossapps.html#mixer

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Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

[Rick Sewill]

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 Having said the above, if you suspect an acpi or apic problem,
 the URL: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelCommonProblems
 says,
 "acpi=off is a big hammer, and if that works, narrowing down by trying
 pci=noacpi instead may yield clues"
 It also says, "nolapic and noapic are sometimes useful"

> 
> A quick update. I tried the acpi=no option and so far, so good. I have even 
> brought it back into X windows and ran some yum updates to apply some stress. 
> I'll leave it in this state until tomorrow evening just to make sure. Then 
> I'll try the smaller hammers. 
> 
> Question showing my ignorance of what acpi is. If pci=noacpi works or does 
> not work, what clues is that giving me?
> 

I didn't respond earlier because we've reached my level of ignorance too.

If I were you, I might try to narrow the problem a little further.

Eventually I would write a Bugzilla bug report telling the maintainers
the symptoms, what I had done, including things that didn't work as well
as things that seemed to work.

If I had a workaround, I wouldn't expect much help from a maintainer
because I would assume they have other problems to solve where a
workaround is not known.

If my Bugzilla bug report happened to be in an area a maintainer was
already digging in, the maintainer might take an interest and ask me to
do things to help gather more information.

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Re: Missing ephiphany plugin?

[Steve Blackwell]

On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:09:31 -0400
Steve Blackwell  wrote:

> I think I'm missing a plugin or two for ephiphany.
> 
> After upgrading from F11->F12 some web pages display blank areas where
> (presumably) a picture should be. An example is 
> 
> http://www.licklibrary.com/classifieds_rolandad.aspx
> 
BTW this page is OK in Firefox.

Steve

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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Michal]

Things are fine as they are. Most other lists work the same way. If 
someone doesn't want to subscribe as they only want to ask one question, 
then are not missed as most questions can be answered by actually doing 
a bit of digging, which a lot of users on this list do not do. Also, if 
they find filling in a simple form and replying to an e-mail they get 
hard and annoying then what's it going to be like for them to try and 
diagnose and fix their problem?

This whole discussion is far more annoying then the few pieces of spam 
that manage to get on to this list.
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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Felipe Contreras]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Cameron Simpson  wrote:
> On 06Jul2010 09:47, Felipe Contreras  wrote:
> | But the actual steps you have to do are different depending on the
> | list manager; majordomo is different than mailman.
>
> So? It is not _very_ different.

It is. Try it.

> | > It serves two
> | > purposes: it catches misspelt email addresses (because the confirmation
> | > email fails) and it rejects most spam robots (because they don't process
> | > the confirmation email, and generally don't provide anything but lies in
> | > email address fields anyway).
> | >
> | > If there were no spammers and no misconfigured user mail clients and no
> | > misfilled forms then this step would not be necessary. But it is because
> | > is so greatly reduces trouble.
> |
> | Yes, but again; other mailing lists manage just fine without requiring
> | subscription.
>
> Good for them.

Glad we both agree your argument was invalid.

> | If the list remains subscription-only, there's still spam
> | that goes through, the spam filter will help. And if the lists is
> | moderated, the spam filter would help go through the moderation queue.
> |
> | The burden would not be on the subscribers, in fact they would receive
> | less spam.
>
> Ok, but the burden on the moderators goes up. Putentially WAY up.

How much the burden goes up is unknown.

Anyway, I have offered myself to give a try moderating to fill that unknown.

> | > | > Subscriptions is a step in minimising crap being posted to the list
> | > | > (whether that be spam, or simply tossers who'll post rubbish to lists,
> | > | > just to spout crap from their fingers).
> | > |
> | > | Really? So I don't subscribe I'm a looser whose posts are not welcome?
> | >
> | > Well, if you don't subscribe you're too lazy to meet the very low bar to
> | > entry to the discussion; maybe you're not desirable. This isn't so in
> | > your case, since you're clearing prepared to argue cogently for your
> | > point of view. But for the many many spammers it _is_ the case that they
> | > are not welcome.
> |
> | Again, that's speculation.
>
> No, it's not. It is empirical fact. All the "maybes" are speculation on
> an individual post basis, but in the aggregate the distribution is real.

You don't have *any* data, nor hard, nor empirical, about the people
that decide not to subscribe.

> | Most of the mailing lists I'm subscribed
> | to, allow non-subscribers to post, and there are as many occasional
> | posters who don't have a clue there, than here. So again, I don't
> | think it's sensible to apply prejudices based on the people's
> | subscription, which is very simple to do.
>
> Nobody is telling you how to run _your_ lists.

I am open to suggestions to improve communication.

> | > | And if some random guy manages to subscribe (which according to a
> | > | previous post it's easy), then it's post is worthwhile?
> | >
> | > It means they've made an effort: they are probably not a spammer and
> | > probably not a robot and _are_ probably more motivated to participate in
> | > a valuable way. So yes, _probably_ they are more worthwhile.
> |
> | The correlation between membership and worthwhileness is very week at
> | best. Again, the person can subscribe, troll, and leave.
>
> Of course. But the correlation is not that weak. At least only people
> prepared to make a (small) effort get to post. Spammers make ZERO
> effort.

Spammers would not get to post; they would be moderated and discarded.

And again, the correlation is week. Say Albert Einstein wanted to post
to fedora-users, I guess you would qualify his post as worthwhile, and
he would consider his time very valuable, so he would only spend his
time on tasks that are worthwhile. He would be ok spending time
writing an email, but not spending time subscribing a mailing list
because that task doesn't achieve anything. Specially considering he
said that things should be as simple as possible.

> | > Not on all lists. Moderators often lack the time. I speak as one such,
> | > and some posts simply don't make it because they have waited too long
> | > for attention. It is not scalable. If the list is very active, the
> | > problem gets far worse.
> |
> | Again, other lists manage just fine. Speculation.
>
> Sigh. Not speculation. I have seen lists made useless by spammers, and
> abandoned, and lists where the burden becomes too much for the
> moderators. It does happen.

If somebody doesn't have time to moderate the mail queue, then the
spam just stacks in the moderation queue, but it doesn't get to the
list. So your argument wasn't even valid.

And again, you don't have *any* evidence as to how much mail would
have to be moderated. I would gladly take the role of moderator to
figure that out.

> | > | >> Orthogonal to this is that the mailing lists should not mingle with
> | > | >> "Reply-To"; they should leave the To and Cc fields intact, so that 
> the
> | > | >> MUA can reply to the right addresses. See:
> | > | >> http://www.

Re: F13 has reached "it rocks" status !

[n2xssvv.g02gfr12930]

On 07/07/2010 08:15 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 20:48 -0400, Mike Williams wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Linuxguy123 
>> wrote:
>> Just a quick note to say that F13 now rocks !  It works
>> really, really
>> well.  Very fast, solid and slick.
>> 
>> Keep up the good work, people.
>>
>> I second that opinion.  There have been some glitches, but that's to
>> be expected.
>>
>> One area where I've noticed significant improvement is selinux.  This
>> is the first release where I haven't just given up and run selinux in
>> permissive mode.  In fact in some earlier releases I just disabled
>> selinux altogether.  As of f13 with selinux in enforcing mode, the
>> most I've had to do is run restorecon -R -v when I copy new files into
>> the apache tree.
> 
> I love ABRT.  I reported 2 crashes that I wouldn't have otherwise using
> it.  I am sure that ABRT will increase the stability of Linux over time
> because more things will get reported, better.
> 
> Fedora is really getting slick and solid.  KDE too.  Better and better
> each release.  I ran Windows 7 on my wifes laptop for a day.  YUCK !
> 
> I can't wait to see the next KDE release go stable. 
> 
> LG
> 
> 

I've found fedora to be mostly stable, but I have one minor problem with
13, when logging out, (KDE), the logout sound is garbled. That said, the
new KNetworkmanager is the business, simplifying network configuration
immensely, I'd recommend folks to try it. As for KDE, I've been using it
since Fedora core 2, and apart from the initial KDE 4 release, which I
delayed due to instability reports, it's served me well. Oh, by the way,
KDE 4 development is made even simpler with the addition of KDevelop 4,
even if the use of cmake seems a pain, I can assure you with a little
effort you'll be fine. Related to that I should mention the many useful
developments in the Qt cross platform development kit are also pleasing
to this C++ geek.

cpp4ever
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Re: fedora 13 so many bugs

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 22:15 -0700, solarflow99 wrote:

> Well, I used F-12 and it worked perfectly, so it is definitely
> something to do with x86 F-13's anaconda.  seems strange i'm the only
> one to encounter this.  I tried both with a HD and DVD install, the
> media was tested and she shasum matched, so I dont know why...
> I never did find an updates.img with all the cumulative fixes included
> which might have helped.  I am doing this on a HP P-4 2.8Ghz 1GB 80G
> IDE, memtest86 passed

I find it is necessary to burn images at the slowest speed possible when
you are burning on one computer and installing on another - differences
when different CD/DVD drives are being used and for some reason, there
is not much tolerance for read errors during the installation.

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Re: fedora 13 so many bugs

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On 07/06/2010 09:59 PM, john wendel wrote:
> 
> I've done two installs using the X86 lxde live cd and both got an error 
> while reading the install cd (and claimed it must be corrupt). One box 
> is an Athlon X2 Dell system and the other is a homebuild Athlon XP (very 
> old). The cd checks fine. The 2nd try worked fine in both cases. And the 
> installed systems work great.
> 

Not terribly strange. This is usually the result of having burned the
disk too fast. It's always advisable to burn an install CD at lower than
maximum speed, since it's less prone to errors. Most drives/drivers can
correct a lot of read errors, which is probably how you succeeded the
second time, but burning at a lower speed gives it an opportunity to
ensure that every bit is written properly.

These days I just keep a USB thumbdrive around for doing installs. With
the liveusb-creator, any livecd can be turned into a liveusb for
installation, and it doesn't suffer the same issues as a CD install (and
it can be a lot faster too)

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Re: [389-users] Sabayon/Gentoo distribution of 389org

[Fabio Erculiani]

At last, I've been able to figure out where the pipe() problem stands.
389-admin is improperly using the cgi module. When using a
multithreaded MPM (worker), mod_cgid had to be used. It happens that
389-admin needs apache (with worker MPM) and mod_cgi (and not
mod_cgid).
mod_cgid fork() itself from the main httpd process while mod_cgi
doesn't. That's why password_pipe() works fine with the latter.
Unfortunately, when you tell the build system that you want to use the
worker mpm, it completely ignores your request (via --enable-cgi
switch) of using mod_cgi (instead of mod_cgid) and always builds
mod_cgid (despite the .so is called mod_cgi.so).
In binary distributions that over-split packages, both apache#worker
and apache#prefork are built separately and so their modules. This
makes possible to install mod_cgi into a system that is using
apache#worker, otherwise impossible (when building from sources). So,
this masks the issue above in a perfect and (sadly) elegant way.

Besides, this also explains why I was getting Scriptsock socket path
conflict between mod_cgid and mod_restartd. See
/etc/dirsrv/admin-serv/httpd.conf around line 395
(http://pastebin.com/f0K49cL5). Only mod_cgid uses that directive.
Unfortunately (or fortunately) the potential directive error was
masked by the fact that mod_restartd uses the same directive name, so
if mod_cgid is not loaded, the line, from a config POV, is still
valid.

I think 389-ds should either do:
- fix the pipe() issue (finding an alternative way of sending password
data over) and let use apache#worker in a proper way (with mod_cgid as
per docs -- http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_cgid.html): best
option from code quality POV
- find a way to force building apache#worker with mod_cgi (worse option)

Yeah, that is the final puzzle :-)

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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Felipe Contreras]

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM, JD  wrote:
> Just to end this debate: you all must have seen this spam post.
> If posting is opened to non-subscribers, this will multiply by thousands
> and millions.

Wrong; that spam mail is totally unrelated.

Say moderation was enabled, and I was made moderator *today*. Would
any extra spam reach your inbox? No.

*I* (the moderator) would have to approve it first. If I'm bad at my
job I would not be processing mails very fast, but approving spam is
something no sober normal human would do (only perhaps in vary rare
occasions).

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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Felipe Contreras]

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Todd Zullinger  wrote:
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>> Prior to today the list was set to discard posts from non-members.
>>> This setting was made before any of the current list admins were
>>> present AFAIK.  I believe that sending a rejection is the more
>>> courteous setting, and we have changed this now.
>>
>> Yes, that's better. Thanks.
>
> Sorry to flip-flop, but we found in testing that Mailman (quite
> unfortunately) includes the original message in the rejection notice.
> This makes it a very nice spam forwarding system.  So back to discard
> the setting goes. :(
>
> I did add a note to the listinfo page stating that subscription is
> required to post.

At least you can remove the "Your message to $foo awaits moderator
approval" automatic reply; it's clearly a lie.

For some reason when I receive mail from you I see:
reply-to: Community support for Fedora users
, users@lists.fedoraproject.org

There's something wrong there.

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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Felipe Contreras]

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Bruno Wolff III  wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 09:05:33 +0300,
>  Felipe Contreras  wrote:
>>
>> So if anything, Reply-To munging would cause more private mail go to
>> the mailing list (i.e. I typed 'r' in mutt, not 'g', but the mail went
>> to the ml!)
>
> That's pretty much what I said. But it has to be balanced against against
> people who refuse to learn the difference between the various ways to
> reply and will accidentally send replies privately by mistake. If there
> are enough of those (and I am not arguing that there are for any Fedora
> lists), then it makes sense for people to do it.

Who are those mythical creatures that don't know about "reply to all"?
I keep hearing about them, but as far as I know everybody that knows
how to send email knows to send mail to more than one recipient, which
requires knowledge of "reply to all". No?

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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Felipe Contreras]

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 20:13 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> Fact: the current system doesn't allow cross-posting
>
> Nothing in the current system prevents cross-posting. It's explicitly
> discouraged by the list Guidelines, but as we know some people do it
> (and usually get jumped on).

It's not totally prevented; but it's basically impossible.

When you sand mail to say 10 mailing lists that munge replies; each
person that replies to the mail would have to manually change the
munged recipient the the 10 mailing lists.

This obviously doesn't happen; in practice and each mailing lists ends
with a different thread, and sometimes the threads get messed up when
a person is multiple mailing lists and replies properly to all of
them.

It is just a huge horrible mess; no wonder it's discouraged.

But if you don't have reply munging, nor require subscription;
cross-posting Just Works. People do that regularly on linux-kernel,
linux-omap, linux-arm-kernel, etc.

> The rationale is that you should decide
> where best to send your query and send it only to that list.

mails != queries

> Cross-posting makes it all but impossible to keep threads coherent when
> multiple replies appear from different lists, and not everyone is seeing
> the same conversation.

Everything's coherent if the replies are not munged.

When I send a mail to 3 mls (linux-kernel, linux-omap and
linux-arm-kernel) any time *anybody* replies to any of those lists,
the reply will be posted on all 3 lists. If there's a second level
reply of a person that's not subscribed in one of those lists there
would be a slight delay when the mail is moderated, but the person of
the 1st level reply would receive the mail immediately anyway because
he remains in the Cc (not munged), and the 3rd level reply would
appear to everybody again.

This works just fine.

Unless replies are munged and mailing lists are subscriber-only, then
yes, it's a horrible mess.

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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Felipe Contreras]

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 22:24 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> Anyway, if non-subscribers are not welcome, then I guess I'll just
>> refrain from posting here just like everybody else, even when I'm
>> asked to do it on Fedora's bugzilla.
>
> Ah, so the hundreds of people who regularly contribute here are all a
> figment of my imagination?

I said everybody *else*; nobody knows the amount of people that have
wanted to contact Fedora mailing list and have decided not to.

> One point that hasn't been mentioned: Fedora is an *experimental*
> distro. The people using are are assumed to know that and to be up to
> communicating about problems and solutions. If you only want to post a
> single question and don't monitor the list on a regular basis, I have to
> ask if you should really be using Fedora at all. I regard that as
> sufficient justification for the must-subscribe policy.

You assume that people would use Fedora mailing lists only for
questions; that's not always the case. There are people out there that
know what they are doing, and have good ideas about what a distro
should do.

But somehow it seems nobody here believes Fedora's community can
benefit from outsiders.

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