Re: Fedora 12 and Privoxy
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Jason Turning jturn...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I just upgraded my laptop to Fedora 12, and now Privoxy is failing on bootup and has to be manually started. Anyone encountered this problem, and if so what was the fix? what does $/sbin/chkconfig --list privoxy tell you? It should be on on runlevels 3 and 5. -- natxo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Visit my Netlog profile
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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up. http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf works fine in f13 amd64 with evince. It takes a while to zoom in and out, but it works. -- natxo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F13 system-config-services crash
Hi, I noticed in system-config-services graphical display two unneeded services that were leftover from livecd installation, namely livesys and livesys-late. They show up in system-config-services, but they should not; they could not be stopped/disabled there as well. Note: from now on I kept the system-config-services graphical display open. I removed the services manually in a terminal chkconfig --del livesys chkconfig --del livesys-late After that I removed their init scripts rm /etc/init.d/livesys* As a result, the package system-config-services-0.99.46-1.fc13 crashed. Regards, JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 system-config-services crash
On 07/07/2010 11:56 PM, JB wrote: Hi, I noticed in system-config-services graphical display two unneeded services that were leftover from livecd installation, namely livesys and livesys-late. They show up in system-config-services, but they should not; they could not be stopped/disabled there as well. Note: from now on I kept the system-config-services graphical display open. I removed the services manually in a terminal chkconfig --del livesys chkconfig --del livesys-late After that I removed their init scripts rm /etc/init.d/livesys* As a result, the package system-config-services-0.99.46-1.fc13 crashed. Regards, JB Did you do the manual removal while system-config-services was running? If so, of course it will crash because it does not lock it's resources to prevent what you did manually (for example, ala yum which locks the database so another yum will not disturb the database). Cheers, JD -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 11:02 -0400, Tom H wrote: You (Todd) and others have the following: fromFelipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com reply-toCommunity support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org to Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org dateWed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:10 AM subject Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers mailing listusers.lists.fedoraproject.org Filter messages from this mailing list mailed-by lists.fedoraproject.org unsubscribe Unsubscribe from this mailing-list and hitting reply results in having the following in the to: field Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org, users@lists.fedoraproject.org It doesn't double up the *to* addresses, when I reply here. I second the motion that it's most likely to be a gmail problem. Either what it does, or how you're using it. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Method to upgrade from live install to DVD install package setup?
I installed Fedora 13 from the live CD and have found many packages missing that would be installed with the normal process from the DVD images. Normally, I do use the DVD and do a preupgrade on one test machine and a clean install on another and usually use the clean install setup after figuring all the differences. In this case, I am 17 timezones behind my normal location (GMT+10 to GMT-7), so don't have the access to systems I normally do. So, far I've installed the OpenOffice, Samba to get printing to a windows box, and found that ftp wasn't install by default? Only solution might be to reinstall from a DVD image, but that means doing all the updates again. Thanks. +--+ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor Guam Community College Computer Center mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com http://www.guam.net/home/mikes Guam - Where America's Day Begins +--+ http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original) Number of Seti Units Returned: 19,471 Processing time: 32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes (Total Hours: 287,489) bo...@home CREDITS SETI 9763292.210122 | EINSTEIN 4142549.740851 ROSETTA 2027290.462519 | ABC 1443090.360569 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 13:02:37 +0300, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Who are those mythical creatures that don't know about reply to all? I keep hearing about them, but as far as I know everybody that knows how to send email knows to send mail to more than one recipient, which requires knowledge of reply to all. No? If you read this thread there are posts that strong suggest that some of the respondents in this thread either don't know about reply to all or refuse to use it. No. What they have argued is that *other* people might not know about it, which as I've explained is not the case as even common users know how to send mail to more than one person and keep the thread alive. Let's not confuse a) users not knowing how to use reply to all, and b) users annoyed by mistakenly not hitting reply to all. I've never seen a case of a), and I don't think it's likely, but I do have seen cases of b), but I think the advantages of not munging vastly compensate for that minor annoyance. I have seen people ask about this on other lists (not related to Fedora) where I don't do reply munging. Some people really expect reply to sender to reply to the list. Yes, I think some mailing lists might have spoiled them. However, were you strict in saying no, deal with 'reply to all'? If so, did your users managed? -- Felipe Contreras -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Todd Zullinger t...@pobox.com wrote: Felipe Contreras wrote: At least you can remove the Your message to $foo awaits moderator approval automatic reply; it's clearly a lie. I don't receive those messages when I post from a non-subscribed address. I did on the packaging mailing list. -- Felipe Contreras -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Method to upgrade from live install to DVD install package setup?
Can't you do a diff between the yum logs or anaconca.logs of both installations and yum install `cat /positive.diff` yum remove `cat /nevative.diff` suomi On 2010-07-08 10:04, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: I installed Fedora 13 from the live CD and have found many packages missing that would be installed with the normal process from the DVD images. Normally, I do use the DVD and do a preupgrade on one test machine and a clean install on another and usually use the clean install setup after figuring all the differences. In this case, I am 17 timezones behind my normal location (GMT+10 to GMT-7), so don't have the access to systems I normally do. So, far I've installed the OpenOffice, Samba to get printing to a windows box, and found that ftp wasn't install by default? Only solution might be to reinstall from a DVD image, but that means doing all the updates again. Thanks. +--+ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor Guam Community College Computer Center mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com http://www.guam.net/home/mikes Guam - Where America's Day Begins +--+ http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original) Number of Seti Units Returned: 19,471 Processing time: 32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes (Total Hours: 287,489) bo...@home CREDITS SETI 9763292.210122 | EINSTEIN 4142549.740851 ROSETTA 2027290.462519 | ABC 1443090.360569 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 system-config-services crash
On 07/08/2010 12:26 PM, JB wrote: Hi, I noticed in system-config-services graphical display two unneeded services that were leftover from livecd installation, namely livesys and livesys-late. They show up in system-config-services, but they should not; they could not be stopped/disabled there as well. Note: from now on I kept the system-config-services graphical display open. I removed the services manually in a terminal chkconfig --del livesys chkconfig --del livesys-late After that I removed their init scripts rm /etc/init.d/livesys* As a result, the package system-config-services-0.99.46-1.fc13 crashed. Always report bugs in http://bugzilla.redhat.com. It reaches the developers and they can fix the crash. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Todd Zullinger t...@pobox.com wrote: Tom H wrote: You (Todd) and others have the following: from Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com reply-to Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org to Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org date Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:10 AM subject Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers mailing list users.lists.fedoraproject.org Filter messages from this mailing list mailed-by lists.fedoraproject.org unsubscribe Unsubscribe from this mailing-list and hitting reply results in having the following in the to: field Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org, users@lists.fedoraproject.org For Felipe, it is: from Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com reply-to Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org to Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org date Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:44 AM subject Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers mailing list users.lists.fedoraproject.org Filter messages from this mailing list mailed-by lists.fedoraproject.org unsubscribe Unsubscribe from this mailing-list and Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org It might be gmail doing this to you. The reply-to and from fields don't match exactly, so perhaps they're helpfully addressing the mail to both. My MUA (mutt) doesn't do this no matter how I reply (list-reply, reply, or reply-all). I was just confirming what Felipe said about your headers. It must be gmail because (1) if I choose show original, your reply-to field is ok, (2) Felipe is also on gmail, (3) Tim has posted that he doesn't see this de-doubling on Yahoo. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Method to upgrade from live install to DVD install package setup?
On 8 Jul 2010 at 11:02, fedora wrote: Date sent: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 11:02:07 +0200 From: fedora fed...@ayni.com To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject:Re: Method to upgrade from live install to DVD install package setup? Send reply to: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org mailto:users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org?subject=unsubscribe mailto:users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org?subject=subscribe Can't you do a diff between the yum logs or anaconca.logs of both installations and yum install `cat /positive.diff` yum remove `cat /nevative.diff` suomi I generally do something like that when I am at the College, but at the moment, I am in the states for the summer, and only have one machine to work on. I am guessing that a lot of people might install from the CD image versus the DVD since that is the default download but then want to get more complete install without having to go thru the individual process of selecting each package, and without knowing all the packages it is a hit or miss. Thanks for the reply. On 2010-07-08 10:04, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: I installed Fedora 13 from the live CD and have found many packages missing that would be installed with the normal process from the DVD images. Normally, I do use the DVD and do a preupgrade on one test machine and a clean install on another and usually use the clean install setup after figuring all the differences. In this case, I am 17 timezones behind my normal location (GMT+10 to GMT-7), so don't have the access to systems I normally do. So, far I've installed the OpenOffice, Samba to get printing to a windows box, and found that ftp wasn't install by default? Only solution might be to reinstall from a DVD image, but that means doing all the updates again. Thanks. +--+ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor Guam Community College Computer Center mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com http://www.guam.net/home/mikes Guam - Where America's Day Begins +--+ http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original) Number of Seti Units Returned: 19,471 Processing time: 32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes (Total Hours: 287,489) bo...@home CREDITS SETI 9763292.210122 | EINSTEIN 4142549.740851 ROSETTA 2027290.462519 | ABC 1443090.360569 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines +--+ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor Guam Community College Computer Center mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com http://www.guam.net/home/mikes Guam - Where America's Day Begins +--+ http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original) Number of Seti Units Returned: 19,471 Processing time: 32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes (Total Hours: 287,489) bo...@home CREDITS SETI 9763292.210122 | EINSTEIN 4142549.740851 ROSETTA 2027290.462519 | ABC 1443090.360569 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 11:02 -0400, Tom H wrote: You (Todd) and others have the following: from Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com reply-to Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org to Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org date Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:10 AM subject Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers mailing list users.lists.fedoraproject.org Filter messages from this mailing list mailed-by lists.fedoraproject.org unsubscribe Unsubscribe from this mailing-list and hitting reply results in having the following in the to: field Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org, users@lists.fedoraproject.org It doesn't double up the *to* addresses, when I reply here. I second the motion that it's most likely to be a gmail problem. Either what it does, or how you're using it. Thanks for the info. The way that I am using it?! LOL As I said, it happens when replying to some. I just delete the extra address when it happens and that's it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: The quietness of preupgrade
Ed Greshko wrote: I preupgraded from F-12 to F-13 today, and it nearly all went well. But I found the long periods when nothing seemed to be happening off-putting, to put it mildly. It spent 30-60 minutes searching for storage - what is that about? I assumed the program had hung, but I was watching the World Cup, so didn't mind waiting, and was amazed to find the program actually returned to life just as the game ended. Maybe it was watching too? Yes, it was a bit like Spanish football, passing the ball from player to player ad infinitum. It really would be helpful if developers could make sure that some kind of message, even if it is just a row of dots, comes up from time to time. I assume you will fill a RFE (Request for Enhancement)? :-) :-) I probably will; but I'm surprised no-one has agreed with me (as the OP) that the pauses in preupgrade are astonishingly long. And there are several of them. Eg after telling me each of the 1500 packages it was downloading, it then went silent for something like 30 minutes (on my Thinkpad T43). I could tell from the irregularity of the disk reads that it was hard at work. I assume it was installing the packages? Yum tells me when it is doing this, which I find re-assuring. Maybe the Dutch will be a bit more direct ... -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: The quietness of preupgrade
Yes, it was a bit like Spanish football, passing the ball from player to player ad infinitum. All too similar in my experience as its then followed by it falling over for no apparent reason -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Server hangs
Dear all, We have installed Fedora Linux 8.0 on our server and we have a web based application running on DB MySql. The server hangs very frequently(atleast once a day). All operations come to stand still including the keyboard and mouse etc.. We need to hard boot the system again to make the server up and running. Please help us to overcome this issue. Regards J.Srinivasan Chief Executive Officer Sosaley Technologies Private Limited Mobile: +91-9840298411 Phone: +91-44-26182638 URL: www.sosaley.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Server hangs
On 08/07/2010 10:52, Srinivasan wrote: Dear all, We have installed Fedora Linux 8.0 on our server and we have a web based application running on DB MySql. The server hangs very frequently(atleast once a day). All operations come to stand still including the keyboard and mouse etc.. We need to hard boot the system again to make the server up and running. Please help us to overcome this issue. We can't help if you give us no information. Help us help you. But first of all, search the archives and the internet, if you find nothing then come here asking WITH details -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F13 system-config-services crash
Rahul Sundaram metherid at gmail.com writes: On 07/08/2010 12:26 PM, JB wrote: ... Always report bugs in http://bugzilla.redhat.com. It reaches the developers and they can fix the crash. Rahul Submitted to Bugzilla as Bug# 612463. Jurek -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: The quietness of preupgrade
On 07/08/2010 05:57 PM, Alan Cox wrote: Yes, it was a bit like Spanish football, passing the ball from player to player ad infinitum. All too similar in my experience as its then followed by it falling over for no apparent reason If one falls down often enough near the top striker of the opposing team you may be rewarded with a red card on the opponent. :-) -- Now is the time for all good men to come to. -- Walt Kelly 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)
Hi, I haven't seen a summary of this big thread, so I'm going to try to write one. I'll focus on Reply-To munging here (orthogonal to non-subscribers). Before starting it's worth to keep in mind that munging is a *default* that is possible to manually change, and some clients have the option to ignore it. However, the people who do that are the _minority_; most people just hit reply, and many use typical clients. In order to fully understand the benefits of one method over the other, we shall only consider the behavior of the mailing list as a whole, not what some particular individual might or might not do. For example, when analyzing personal level indicators, an advantage of not munging; it's not useful to concentrate on the fact that *some* people might ignore the Reply-To header, and therefore the indicator would appear for that particular mail. The fact remains that for most of the posts in the mailing list, the feature will not work. IOW: what is important is whether or not the user can rely on the feature. == Advantages == 1) Personal level indicators. Gmail has a feature that places a neat marker () near the subject of the mail so that you can see directly that the mail was addressed to you. This is specially a nice feature in high traffic mailing lists. Here's a screenshot: http://people.freedesktop.org/~felipec/l-o-personal-marker.png mutt can be configured to have similar highlights: color index brightwhite black ~p # to me 2) Recipient filtering It's possible to search say 'to:linux-ker...@vger.kernel.org to:me'; with munging it's not possible because the To header is automatically changed to the mailing list. Similarly, it's possible to have a filter rule for all mail from linux-kernel to move to a certain folder, but have an exception for mail addressed to the user, which might go directly to the inbox. This way, both with personal level indicators and recipient filtering, it's much easier to quickly be alerted of incoming mail addressed to oneself. 3) Consistency When there's Reply-To munging, people might choose to ignore it (if their client supports) that. So in a typical munged mailing list you have both munged and non-munged posts. This is not a strong argument, but it's useful to keep in mind while reading the non-issues below. There are other advantages, not not relevant in the current Fedora context. == Disadvantages == 1) Inadvertently forgetting to reply to all When Reply-To munging is not used, the user is presented (in typical clients) with the option to either reply or reply to all. Sometimes the user will select the wrong one, which is an annoyance. The severity of this problem is impossible to calculate as it depends on background of the members of each mailing list, which might be very varied, and in flux. === Non issues === Many arguments were presented as disadvantages of munging which are not valid IMO and I presented reasons for that (as I'm doing here). 1) Ignorance of reply to all While there might be some rare cases where the user doesn't know about reply to all (i.e. mail newbies, grandmas, etc.), the typical mail user is well aware of reply to all as it's the only way to keep a conversation between more than two persons. It's probably one of the first things to learn. Personally I have never seen cases of this, and nobody has provided evidence. If there's any cases of this, they are probably very marginal. 2) Two copies of the same mail When a mail is not munged, the original author would be in the To field, and the list on Cc. If the author is subscribed on the mailing list (the only case we care about here), then the author would receive a direct copy and another copy from the list. However, this is not the case as mailing list servers are aware of these cases and don't send the list copy. For example, mailman has an option Avoid duplicate copies of messages which does precisely that, and is enabled by default. This was agreed to not be an issue. 3) Unwanted direct addressing There was an argument that some people didn't want to be directly addressed and wanted mails addressed to the mailing list only. There was no mention of why people would want that, or any evidence of such cases (if there's any). Moreover, Reply-To munging doesn't prevent them from being directly Cc'ed (that header filed is not munged), they can manually be added to the To field, or somebody might ignore the Reply-To header. At best this is a policy issue, not related to Reply-To munging. 4) FWD noise If the user mistakenly misses the reply to all option, the mail is sent privately, then the user might notice and choose to fwd the mail back to the mailing list. This is a double mistake by the user, the proper way to correct the original mistake is to send the mail again properly, and as to discard the private copy. Just like top-posting; this is solved with policy. 5) Mail escaping This is defined as mail that is sent privately by mistake and is never
Re: Server hangs
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 15:22 +0530, Srinivasan wrote: We have installed Fedora Linux 8.0 on our server and we have a web based application running on DB MySql. The server hangs very frequently(atleast once a day). All operations come to stand still including the keyboard and mouse etc.. We need to hard boot the system again to make the server up and running. First of all, Fedora is not a linux distro I would recommend for a server unless you really, really need to run bleeding-edge software on your server. Fedora releases often, with very short support for old releases. I would recommend centos.org as the place to find a server-oriented distribution that is based on Fedora. If you ever need to run a commercially supported linux on your server, the step from CentOS to Red Hat Enterprise Server (RHEL) is very short. They are mostly identical, apart from the need for a support license for RHEL. Combined with your claim that you run Fedora 8 I don't see the reason for running Fedora at all. Fedora 8 is a long time obsoleted version. There is no support for it anymore. Either install CentOS 5.5 for a system with a long-term support and excellent stability or Fedora 13 for the latest and greatest bleeding-edge release with frequent updates. If you still have the same problem (I would guess not), please come back, telling wether you can still ping the server and/or log in to it remotely with ssh (remember to enable the ssh service before it hangs). -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 11:01:41AM -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up. http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf Can anyone else ? Works fine with built-in evince in Fedora 13. But high zooms utilize more memory. I saw usage balloon to 1.6+ GB at 300%. If you're not doing this on a box with plenty of RAM you can count on it being utterly glacial, or crashing. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Firefox crashing when accessing an SSL-secured web site
Am 06.07.2010 20:23, schrieb Sam Varshavchik: 1) Looks like you're invoking Firefox in a German locale. Try starting firefox in en_US: LC_ALL=en_US.utf-8 firefox Thanks for your suggestion! However the symtoms are exactly the same. I created bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=612452 to note my findings (separate from bug 611297 because abrtd does not show up for my new experiment so I'm not sure if this is the same bug. 2) Run memtest86 to check for bad RAM. Not yet done but I'll try. However I do not see the problem in any other app/usage pattern. fs -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Floating point exception (core dumped) when exec busybox in Fedora 13
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/07/2010 09:38 PM, Jerry Wang wrote: the busybox is 1.16.2, build on Fedora 13 as static linked. It results floating point exception when I exec it as: [jer...@localhost busybox-1.16.2]$ ./busybox ping www.google.com Floating point exception (core dumped) [jer...@localhost busybox-1.16.2]$ rpm -qa | grep gcc gcc-c++-4.4.4-10.fc13.i686 gcc-4.4.4-10.fc13.i686 libgcc-4.4.4-10.fc13.i686 [jer...@localhost busybox-1.16.2]$ file ./busybox ./busybox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (GNU/Linux), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped I need static link busybox. Any suggestion? Since you have a core file, install gdb and the appropriate debuginfo packages and get a backtrace. Then file a bug at bugzilla.redhat.com with this backtrace. - -- Stephen Gallagher RHCE 804006346421761 Delivering value year after year. Red Hat ranks #1 in value among software vendors. http://www.redhat.com/promo/vendor/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkw1tUEACgkQeiVVYja6o6PTeACgk/lX+uqvMzsARadg74uEgeTx pXIAn1l/38mR5QeaxW82sfoepV9910jh =OVMm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Server hangs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/2010 05:52 AM, Srinivasan wrote: We have installed Fedora Linux 8.0 on our server This version of Fedora was end-of-lifed* on January 7, 2009. It is no longer supported in any way by this community. For servers, it would be much wiser to invest in a copy of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (or one of its assorted clones). These have a seven-year support lifetime, while Fedora versions are supported for 13 months. * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Fedora-EOL-Support - -- Stephen Gallagher RHCE 804006346421761 Delivering value year after year. Red Hat ranks #1 in value among software vendors. http://www.redhat.com/promo/vendor/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkw1uUAACgkQeiVVYja6o6MicgCcDluEaPywhf6a0bnQ6NYoSWLU LtIAnjCf56Mygq3xhpEkvUSyOexHEH4y =/DfS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...
On 07/08/2010 01:01 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up. http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf Can anyone else ? Thanks adobe reader 9.3.2 on F11 works very well... zoomed to 1200% in/out all around no problem. In acroread it seems to use less memory at the higher zoom levels. The only thing I noted was... 1. I wish Taipei had such an extensive network. 2. 20km/h speed limit seems a tad low to me. :-) -- Forgive and forget. -- Cervantes 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick
Hi, I made a live bootable Fedora-13 on Buffalo 8G usb stick using Linux command dd if=Fedora-13-i686-Live.iso of=/dev/sdb1 It was successful apart from no longer able to copy any file on it. The live Fedora only occupied 700M while the media is 8G. I got the following message when trying to copy a file on it, even if with the root privilege. cp mag01.doc /media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/ cp: cannot create regular file `/media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/mag01.doc': Read-only file system I removed any existing partition using /sbin/fdisk and reformatted with command line /sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb What I have now is a single partition with only 6.8 Gb free space. The question, how can I recover the original volume amount, 8G. If this is related to the file systems (ext3), which one should I choose so the volume get back to the original. Thanks for any kind of response. AA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Abu Attar Musharih abuattar.musha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I made a live bootable Fedora-13 on Buffalo 8G usb stick using Linux command dd if=Fedora-13-i686-Live.iso of=/dev/sdb1 It was successful apart from no longer able to copy any file on it. The live Fedora only occupied 700M while the media is 8G. I got the following message when trying to copy a file on it, even if with the root privilege. cp mag01.doc /media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/ cp: cannot create regular file `/media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/mag01.doc': Read-only file system When you copied the image directly onto the device you in effect destroyed the exisiting file system, that's the downside to using the dd method. I removed any existing partition using /sbin/fdisk and reformatted with command line /sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb What I have now is a single partition with only 6.8 Gb free space. I think you should have used: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 The question, how can I recover the original volume amount, 8G. If this is related to the file systems (ext3), which one should I choose so the volume get back to the original. Thanks for any kind of response. You seem to be fairly comfortable using the command line, but a graphical tool would make this much easier to see what's going on. I would install gparted if you're using gnome or qtparted and repartition reformat from there. Also, if you would like to have access from a windows machine I would reformat as FAT32. Actually in retrospect, I believe the liveusb-creator tool[1] will format it for you and will allow you to setup a persistent overlay so changes can be saved. Keep in mind it's not that intelligent, from what I understand it just records block changes from the livecd image and does not reuse any part of the overlay, i.e. changes will continue to be tracked until the entire overlay is used up at which point it is automatically dropped as a fail-safe. Richard [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick
On 07/08/2010 09:08 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Abu Attar Musharih abuattar.musha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I made a live bootable �Fedora-13 on Buffalo 8G �usb stick �using Linux command dd if=Fedora-13-i686-Live.iso of=/dev/sdb1 It was successful apart from no longer able to copy any file on �it. The live Fedora only occupied 700M while the media is 8G. Use livecd-iso-to-disk instead! - Mike -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:14:23 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Why does no-one ever mention Reply To List as the proper way to, duh, reply to the list? Probably because all the mail clients I've seen have it hidden somewhere down inside some obscure pull-down and users don't even know such a thing exists or their mail client supports it (I certainly didn't know claws had a reply to list till the last time this thread came up here, someone mentioned it, and I actually went looking for it). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Server hangs
Srini - We have installed Fedora Linux 8.0 on our server and we have a web based application running on DB MySql. The server hangs very frequently(atleast once a day). All operations come to stand still including the keyboard and mouse etc.. We need to hard boot the system again to make the server up and running. Please help us to overcome this issue. And the issue is? Details of the issue would be good. But, as others have pointed out, Fedora 8 EOLed early 2009. While you can certainly run Fedora on servers (as I do myself), if you are looking for it to be run as a core enterprise system, I would invest in a support subscription from a commercially supported distribution like Red Hat Enterprise Linux. While you are contemplating getting a Red Hat subscription, perhaps you might want to do the following: a) Check the machine's memory. You might have RAM related issues. b) Are you running out of disk space for the applications running? c) What else other than MySql is the machine running? Harish -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Thynderbird sounds -
I can tag Thunderbird received messages with color but what I really need is to tag them with a sound. I would like to play a unique sound as the output of an e-mail filter. I can hear the incoming mail tone from other parts of the house but I would like to know when the message goes into one of the filter directories I've created, else if I am waiting for a response I have to keep coming back to the computer to see if it signals the awaited message. Is there a way I can do that? Bob -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [389-users] Sabayon/Gentoo distribution of 389org
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Rich Megginson rmegg...@redhat.com wrote: Please file bugs/RFEs at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=389 Ok will do, thanks. -- Fabio Erculiani http://www.sabayon.org http://www.gentoo.org -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick
The question, how can I recover the original volume amount, 8G. If this is related to the file systems (ext3), which one should I choose so the volume get back to the original. Thanks for any kind of response. AA -- Try this: open a terminal 'su -' become root 'fdisk -l' see existing drives plug your stick in 'fdisk -l' find your drive 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb' clears out the MBR ans the partition table. let it run for a while. Then: 'fdisk /dev/sdc' 'n enter' creates a new part 'p enter' primary '1 enter' partition number 'enter'start at 1 'enter'last cylinder 'a'make it active so you can boot it '1'partition number 1 'p'print it to screen and make sure it looks ok 'w'write it out Then: 'mke2fs -j /dev/sdb1 -L 8G-USB' Unplug it and plug it back in, it should be detected as '8G-USB' Sorry if this is too simplistic, no insult intended. The key step is the 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb' Mick M. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: The quietness of preupgrade
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Christofer C. Bell christofer.c.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Robert Myersrbmyers...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Greshkoed.gres...@greshko.comwrote: On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote: Ignorance is everywhere. How do I file an RFE to be able to killfile a particular writer, say Robert Myers as a general example from the list digest? RGN -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 11:16:41 +0300, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: However, were you strict in saying no, deal with 'reply to all'? If so, did your users managed? Yes, my lists, my rules. I think there are mistakes from time to time, but the lists are pretty low traffic in the first place so it's hard to say what the relative error rate is from memory. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 09:14:23 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 13:29 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: Also, people that are used to Reply-To munging can get used to clicking reply to all; it's a matter of habit, but no functionality is lost. Why does no-one ever mention Reply To List as the proper way to, duh, reply to the list? It isn't always the case that you want to reply to the list. When you want that, then sure that is something you can do. But you don't always know if people are subscribed or not and there may be cases where people like getting a second message directly to them. The proper way to indicate that you don't want separate direct copies in addition to the list copy is to set an appropriate mail-followup-to header. Then things work automatically and people don't need to guess your intentions, remember them or notice them buried in the signature part of an email message. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 21:38:25 +0900, Abu Attar Musharih abuattar.musha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I made a live bootable Fedora-13 on Buffalo 8G usb stick using Linux command dd if=Fedora-13-i686-Live.iso of=/dev/sdb1 That's the wrong device. If you use dd you need to overwrite starting at the beginning of the phsyical device. The correct name for that device is /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1. Note if you do that all partitions already defined for the device will be lost. As others mentioned, depending on what you want to do, using livecd-iso-to-disk might be a better option for you. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
slow down dd - how?
How can I slow down dd? I don't want to slow down the pc, when generating a big file [~40 GByte]. Does ionice work properly? Thank you for any help! :\ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 12 and Privoxy
Natxo Asenjo wrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Jason Turning jturn...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I just upgraded my laptop to Fedora 12, and now Privoxy is failing on bootup and has to be manually started. Anyone encountered this problem, and if so what was the fix? what does $/sbin/chkconfig --list privoxy tell you? It should be on on runlevels 3 and 5. It's on for runlevels 2 thru 5, but on boot up it fails with the following message from the Privoxy logfile: Jul 08 09:02:21.415 7f27343cd700 Fatal error: can't bind to 127.0.0.1:8118: The hostname is not resolvable So I'm guessing the network isn't up yet and it fails to load. I think I read where Fedora 12 is trying to load things simultaneously and perhaps the network isn't enabled when it tries to load? -- Jason -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 10:45 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 09:14:23 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 13:29 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: Also, people that are used to Reply-To munging can get used to clicking reply to all; it's a matter of habit, but no functionality is lost. Why does no-one ever mention Reply To List as the proper way to, duh, reply to the list? It isn't always the case that you want to reply to the list. When you want that, then sure that is something you can do. Only if the people you reply to include the List-* headers. For example, you didn't, so I can't use Reply-To-list for this reply (without manually munging the headers of course). This forces me to use Reply-To_All or to start cutting-and-pasting addesses. I guess that's another reason it isn't so popular. But you don't always know if people are subscribed or not and there may be cases where people like getting a second message directly to them. The proper way to indicate that you don't want separate direct copies in addition to the list copy is to set an appropriate mail-followup-to header. Then things work automatically and people don't need to guess your intentions, remember them or notice them buried in the signature part of an email message. That surely is up to the receiver, not the sender. Furthermore, as it will vary from list to list it seems impractical to have to set it individually for each post if the MUA doesn't support it automatically (Evolution doesn't). poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Gnome Menu curosity question ?!?
Hi; Dumb, dumb, question that has been bugging me for years. On the Gnome Menu, what is the difference between 'Applications = System Tools' and 'Preferences = Administration'? There seems to be no rhyme or reason why some applications are placed in one category rather than another. I find it a PIA remembering where seldom used applications are. I have reorganized the menu several times to reflect my personal definition. However with every new Fedora version I lose my reorganized menu files. Perhaps if I had a reasonable explanation that made sense, I would have an aide de memoire to guess more correctly where a program is. -- Regards Bill Fedora 13, Gnome 2.30.2 Evo.2.20.2, Emacs 23.2.1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Problem loading linux drivers for audio on motherboard
I have determined my sound problem (no S/PDIF output) is due to not having the right drivers loaded. The install.sh file that comes with the motherboard will not run; this code fails: #Check if user have installed the kernel source echo Second, please make sure you have installed the kernel source. if [ -L /lib/modules/$KERNEL_VER/source -a -L /lib/modules/$KERNEL_VER/build ] then echo It's OK. else echo You haven't installed the kernel source. exit 1 fi This fails because the links to 'source' and 'build' in /lib/modules/2.6.33.3-85.fc13.x86_64 are broken: This link cannot be used, because its target ../../../usr/src/kernels/2.6.33.3-85.fc13.x86_64 doesn't exist. So now I'm a little lost as to what I need to do next. My searches for info have returned some instructions for how to build a 'hello world' smple kernel module but I'm more interested in figuring out what module(s) are missing and how to install them. Nick -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: The quietness of preupgrade
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:02 AM, R. G. Newbury newb...@mandamus.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Christofer C. Bell christofer.c.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Robert Myersrbmyers...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Greshkoed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote: Ignorance is everywhere. How do I file an RFE to be able to killfile a particular writer, say Robert Myers as a general example from the list digest? There should be a comma after Myers in your parenthetical phrase, which you correctly introduced with a comma but failed to terminate with a comma. Ignorance is everywhere. So is nastiness. What the OP asked for (demanded, really) is not possible even in theory. Enormous amounts of time could be expended, and programs *with* status indicators will still have long, inexplicable pauses if something unexpected happens. I didn't attack anyone, but I have been attacked by several, most recently you. Before you engage in another bout of self-righteousness, I suggest some quality mirror time. Robert. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Converting DVD copy to AVI
I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI
On 07/08/2010 06:21 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from. poc you can try something like: ffmpeg -i VTS_01_1.vob -f avi -vcodec mpeg4 -b 800 -g 300 -bf 2 -acodec mp3 -ab 128 VTS_01_1.avi you need to active RPMFusion repo and install ffmpeg. HTH -- Athmane Madjoudj -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problem loading linux drivers for audio on motherboard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/2010 01:15 PM, Alan Nicoll wrote: I have determined my sound problem (no S/PDIF output) is due to not having the right drivers loaded. The install.sh file that comes with the motherboard will not run; this code fails: #Check if user have installed the kernel source echo Second, please make sure you have installed the kernel source. if [ -L /lib/modules/$KERNEL_VER/source -a -L /lib/modules/$KERNEL_VER/build ] then echo It's OK. else echo You haven't installed the kernel source. exit 1 fi This fails because the links to 'source' and 'build' in /lib/modules/2.6.33.3-85.fc13.x86_64 are broken: This link cannot be used, because its target ../../../usr/src/kernels/2.6.33.3-85.fc13.x86_64 doesn't exist. So now I'm a little lost as to what I need to do next. My searches for info have returned some instructions for how to build a 'hello world' smple kernel module but I'm more interested in figuring out what module(s) are missing and how to install them. Nick yum install kernel-devel Then try again - -- Stephen Gallagher RHCE 804006346421761 Delivering value year after year. Red Hat ranks #1 in value among software vendors. http://www.redhat.com/promo/vendor/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkw2DvcACgkQeiVVYja6o6MK9wCeKS/f9k/BIAITcHxr+eGzG1r4 ZDYAoJKxWV4FIDVk6q9OIu7Nun30EDCx =0EPY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Gnome Menu curosity question ?!?
William Case billlinux at rogers.com writes: ... Hi, yes, I agree with you. The proper menu organization should be with the topmost specifier system including all system-related menus/items. It is proper to reorganize the System as well and place most used items at the top. The new menu would be: System - Tools /* old Applications - System Tools */ - Administration - Preferences - etc I would suggest that you let GNOME developers know of our proposal if it is acceptable to the majority of opinions here. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 18:42 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: On 07/08/2010 06:21 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from. poc you can try something like: ffmpeg -i VTS_01_1.vob -f avi -vcodec mpeg4 -b 800 -g 300 -bf 2 -acodec mp3 -ab 128 VTS_01_1.avi Thanks, but as I said I know I can convert individual VOB files. The issue is mainly in knowing which files to convert as many of them are not part of the movie. This information is encoded in the DVD structure but it's a pain to decode manually. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI
On 07/08/2010 10:21 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from. poc you might look at mencoder, it takes .mov, it might take the dvd format too. eg, ... mencoder mvi_0120.mov -o mvi_0120.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -- Jack Craig Software Engineer 831.461.7100 x120 www.extraview.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 11:02 -0700, jack craig wrote: On 07/08/2010 10:21 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from. poc you might look at mencoder, it takes .mov, it might take the dvd format too. Good idea. The manpage says it can read DVD structures, VOB files etc. Guess I'll have to invest some time in understanding the gazillion options. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI
On 07/08/2010 07:02 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 18:42 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: On 07/08/2010 06:21 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from. poc you can try something like: ffmpeg -i VTS_01_1.vob -f avi -vcodec mpeg4 -b 800 -g 300 -bf 2 -acodec mp3 -ab 128 VTS_01_1.avi Thanks, but as I said I know I can convert individual VOB files. The issue is mainly in knowing which files to convert as many of them are not part of the movie. This information is encoded in the DVD structure but it's a pain to decode manually. poc Try Mencoder (MPlayer) mencoder dvd://1 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=1200 -oac mp3lame -lameopts br=128 -o dvd.avi You can see the man page for more options like zooming, scaling and subtitle stuffs. man mencoder There's also GUI frontends: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/projects.html#mencoder_frontends HTH -- Athmane Madjoudj -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Gnome Menu curosity question ?!?
Hi; On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 17:51 +, JB wrote: William Case billlinux at rogers.com writes: ... Hi, yes, I agree with you. The proper menu organization should be with the topmost specifier system including all system-related menus/items. It is proper to reorganize the System as well and place most used items at the top. The new menu would be: System - Tools /* old Applications - System Tools */ - Administration - Preferences - etc I would suggest that you let GNOME developers know of our proposal if it is acceptable to the majority of opinions here. JB Therein, of course, lies the problem. I have reorganized so that System Tools contains all user system stuff that doesn't require root privileges. And I have put all Administration programs that require root login/password in System = Administration. At least that gives me a sense of which changes are dangerous. But the present set up is just hard to remember and makes no sense. -- Regards Bill Fedora 13, Gnome 2.30.2 Evo.2.20.2, Emacs 23.2.1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't seen a summary of this big thread, so I'm going to try to write one. I'll focus on Reply-To munging here (orthogonal to non-subscribers). An unsurprisingly biased and inaccurate summary... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI
On 07/08/2010 11:16 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 11:02 -0700, jack craig wrote: On 07/08/2010 10:21 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from. poc you might look at mencoder, it takes .mov, it might take the dvd format too. Good idea. The manpage says it can read DVD structures, VOB files etc. Guess I'll have to invest some time in understanding the gazillion options. poc I recently ripped a DVD we got from a manta ray night dive event and found .vob files. I was surprised that vlc played the .vob out of the box! Its great to see multimedia blossoming in Linux land. Also, i got a blurb about a new Fluenda DVD play program for Linux, just fyi... -- Jack Craig Software Engineer 831.461.7100 x120 www.extraview.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 12:01 -0700, jack craig wrote: On 07/08/2010 11:16 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 11:02 -0700, jack craig wrote: On 07/08/2010 10:21 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from. poc you might look at mencoder, it takes .mov, it might take the dvd format too. Good idea. The manpage says it can read DVD structures, VOB files etc. Guess I'll have to invest some time in understanding the gazillion options. poc I recently ripped a DVD we got from a manta ray night dive event and found .vob files. I was surprised that vlc played the .vob out of the box! mplayer will do that too. Its great to see multimedia blossoming in Linux land. Indeed. Also, i got a blurb about a new Fluenda DVD play program for Linux, just fyi... Yes, I got that. $20 or so, no thanks. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI [SOLVED]
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 19:20 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: Try Mencoder (MPlayer) mencoder dvd://1 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=1200 -oac mp3lame -lameopts br=128 -o dvd.avi I think that still reads from the DVD drive. However I managed it using: mencoder dvd://4 -o output.avi ... -dvd-device VIDEO_TS The important option being -dvd-device, which can be a directory. You still have to figure out which is the chapter (4 in this case) but it's easy to do a test run to check as mplayer takes the same option. Of course there might be wierd and wonderful DVDs out there that require more fooling around, but this one worked for me. You can see the man page for more options like zooming, scaling and subtitle stuffs. man mencoder There's also GUI frontends: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/projects.html#mencoder_frontends None of which seem to be available in Fedora, and the ones I looked at are all at least 5 years old. I find it odd that there isn't more demand for this sort of thing. Thanks for your help. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 09:38:25PM +0900, Abu Attar Musharih wrote: Hi, I made a live bootable Fedora-13 on Buffalo 8G usb stick using Linux command dd if=Fedora-13-i686-Live.iso of=/dev/sdb1 It was successful apart from no longer able to copy any file on it. The live Fedora only occupied 700M while the media is 8G. I got the following message when trying to copy a file on it, even if with the root privilege. cp mag01.doc /media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/ cp: cannot create regular file `/media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/mag01.doc': Read-only file system I removed any existing partition using /sbin/fdisk and reformatted with command line /sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb What I have now is a single partition with only 6.8 Gb free space. The question, how can I recover the original volume amount, 8G. If this is related to the file systems (ext3), which one should I choose so the volume get back to the original. Thanks for any kind of response. A few months ago I did an actual install onto a USB stick, rather than one of the live CD on USB things. this allowed me to have the full size of the usb stick as a hard drive and it could be run just like a normal installation and updated just like one too. I did it with the install to hard disk function of the LIVE CD, but I'd expect an install from a cd/dvd (non-live) to work just as well. I've never seen anyone suggest this method, so I don't know what the drawbacks are, all I know is it worked for what I needed. The reason I did that: one problem with the live-cd-on-usb-with-persistence method is that updates to the kernel, or new kernel modules--such as wireless drivers-- don't work, and I needed rt2860 drivers from RPMFusion, or else it wasn't any good to me at all. AA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. - Isaiah 40:28 (niv) - -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Gnome Menu curosity question ?!?
On 07/08/2010 01:51 PM, JB wrote: William Casebilllinuxat rogers.com writes: ... Hi, yes, I agree with you. The proper menu organization should be with the topmost specifier system including all system-related menus/items. It is proper to reorganize the System as well and place most used items at the top. The new menu would be: System - Tools /* old Applications - System Tools */ - Administration - Preferences - etc I would suggest that you let GNOME developers know of our proposal if it is acceptable to the majority of opinions here. JB I agree and this works for me as well. roger wells -- Roger Wells, P.E. SAIC 221 Third St Newport, RI 02840 401-847-4210 (voice) 401-849-1585 (fax) roger.k.we...@saic.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Gnome Menu curosity question ?!?
William Case billlinux at rogers.com writes: ... Therein, of course, lies the problem. I have reorganized so that System Tools contains all user system stuff that doesn't require root privileges. And I have put all Administration programs that require root login/password in System = Administration. At least that gives me a sense of which changes are dangerous. But the present set up is just hard to remember and makes no sense. The next level of reorganization (inside Tools and Administration) may not be practical according to root sign-in requirements. Example: I have in Tools two items that require root previleges Fedora LiveUSB Creator SELinux Policy Generation Tool Note that they are clearly tools (the second one named so explicitly). If you move them to Administration, you break the distinction between Tools and Administration. Btw, almost all Administration items right now require root and so there is no need to move them around. I think we should stick with the top reorganization for now only to make it acceptable to GNOME devs and users at large. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problem loading linux drivers for audio on motherboard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/2010 03:09 PM, Alan Nicoll wrote: Thanks for the suggestiono but: [r...@nn audiodrvrs]# yum install kernel-devel Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit, remove-with-leaves Setting up Install Process Package kernel-devel-2.6.33.5-124.fc13.x86_64 already installed and latest version Nothing to do [r...@nn audiodrvrs]# I removed the bad links to build and source in /lib/modules/2.6.33.3-85.fc13.x86_64 and tried it again with the same results. Note that the two kernel versions there do not match. Chances are you have a newer kernel installed that you haven't yet rebooted to take advantage of. When you attempt to build the module, it's trying to build against the running kernel, but the headers are only available for the newer kernel. - -- Stephen Gallagher RHCE 804006346421761 Delivering value year after year. Red Hat ranks #1 in value among software vendors. http://www.redhat.com/promo/vendor/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkw2JNoACgkQeiVVYja6o6NgkQCdEtsk4LAjnH/yjmx1S9Ub3Xsr J9MAnAyP8MCWY8w7mdyvBys814sLTgDK =sRdY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI [SOLVED]
On 07/08/2010 12:14 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 19:20 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: Try Mencoder (MPlayer) mencoder dvd://1 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=1200 -oac mp3lame -lameopts br=128 -o dvd.avi I think that still reads from the DVD drive. However I managed it using: mencoder dvd://4 -o output.avi ... -dvd-device VIDEO_TS The important option being -dvd-device, which can be a directory. You still have to figure out which is the chapter (4 in this case) but it's easy to do a test run to check as mplayer takes the same option. Of course there might be wierd and wonderful DVDs out there that require more fooling around, but this one worked for me. You can see the man page for more options like zooming, scaling and subtitle stuffs. man mencoder There's also GUI frontends: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/projects.html#mencoder_frontends None of which seem to be available in Fedora, and the ones I looked at are all at least 5 years old. I find it odd that there isn't more demand for this sort of thing. Thanks for your help. poc The support for avi files is WINFF as it is the front end for mencoder that I use and works very well If you need to play these an a Stanalone DVD player then yes you need avi files Kdenlive is another media type program that does more than just conversion but the one I use is Avidemux. It is a bit complex but extremely powerful. The easiest to use is Handbrake but avi support is nil even though it says it handles them The need for standalone players to support MKV x264 is needed and they are out there but expensive h264 in the mkv container is the best format yet Oh for my old win software Dvdfab platinum but getting it to run correctly through wine leaves something to be desired Cheers -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?
Hi; I want to add a line to the script that starts the programs listed in gnome-session-manager. There must be (??) an rc.d script or something like it that starts a list of startup programs kept somewhere. I can't find it. I have had the following script line suggested to me. xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox xchat-gnome -- Regards Bill Fedora 13, Gnome 2.30.2 Evo.2.20.2, Emacs 23.2.1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:53:54 -0400 William Case billli...@rogers.com wrote: Hi; I want to add a line to the script that starts the programs listed in gnome-session-manager. There must be (??) an rc.d script or something like it that starts a list of startup programs kept somewhere. I can't find it. I have had the following script line suggested to me. xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox xchat-gnome Lets step back a bit. What is your high level goal here? gnome should remember and restart your firefox and xchat-gnome on login. Does it not do so? Or can you elaborate on what you are trying to do further? kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Missing ephiphany plugin?
I respond to your heartfelt plea. :-) On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 14:33:47 -0400 Steve Blackwell zep...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 08:53:54 -0400 Steve Blackwell zep...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:09:31 -0400 Steve Blackwell zep...@cfl.rr.com wrote: I think I'm missing a plugin or two for ephiphany. After upgrading from F11-F12 some web pages display blank areas where (presumably) a picture should be. An example is http://www.licklibrary.com/classifieds_rolandad.aspx F12 x86_64, Gnome. Epiphany, which I don't use but have installed, starts fine. Upon loading the page above it gets a segmentation fault. This could just have to do with configuration, but seems like a problem. I think you should open a bugzilla. BTW this page is OK in Firefox. here too Hmmm... No answers. Perhaps it is because no one cares? I suspect this is the right one. I just don't use this browser, and because FF works (for you too), it seems low priority. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?
William Case billlinux at rogers.com writes: Hi; I want to add a line to the script that starts the programs listed in gnome-session-manager. There must be (??) an rc.d script or something like it that starts a list of startup programs kept somewhere. I can't find it. I have had the following script line suggested to me. xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox xchat-gnome I think it is done via System - Preferences - Startup Applications which is equivalent to /usr/bin/gnome-session-properties . JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Fedora 13 - Shutdown works, but Restart Freezes??
I installed Fedora 13 on a Gateway E2000 and have found that restart/reboot freezes, but a shutdown does a full power down correctly. By default goes to the graphical screen, the same for both, but with shutdown, it says shutting down and then powers off. The restart shows the restarting message, but then stops responding. No keyboard lights change, no CTRL-ALT-DEL, nothing. Only a forced power off gets the machine going. Tried it from a terminal window same results. Tried reboot -f same results. Even loaded busybox and used busybox reboot -f Don't see anything in the log files... It doesn't come up with an error on the reboot, so it seems to be shutting down correctly, but just not doing the final reboot process. Thanks. +--+ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor Guam Community College Computer Center mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com http://www.guam.net/home/mikes Guam - Where America's Day Begins +--+ http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original) Number of Seti Units Returned: 19,471 Processing time: 32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes (Total Hours: 287,489) bo...@home CREDITS SETI 9763292.210122 | EINSTEIN 4142549.740851 ROSETTA 2027290.462519 | ABC 1443090.360569 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?
JB jurek.bajor at gmail.com writes: William Case billlinux at rogers.com writes: Hi; I want to add a line to the script that starts the programs listed in gnome-session-manager. There must be (??) an rc.d script or something like it that starts a list of startup programs kept somewhere. I can't find it. I have had the following script line suggested to me. xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox xchat-gnome I think it is done via System - Preferences - Startup Applications which is equivalent to /usr/bin/gnome-session-properties . JB One more possibility, if you insist on scripts: ls -al /etc/X11/xinit/ There you find Xclients script that is a driver for dir Xclients.d that may contain custom scripts. ls -al /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients.d/ So place your script in there. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 13 - Shutdown works, but Restart Freezes??
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:02:51 -0700 Michael D. Setzer II mi...@kuentos.guam.net wrote: I installed Fedora 13 on a Gateway E2000 and have found that restart/reboot freezes, but a shutdown does a full power down correctly. By default goes to the graphical screen, the same for both, but with shutdown, it says shutting down and then powers off. The restart shows the restarting message, but then stops responding. No keyboard lights change, no CTRL-ALT-DEL, nothing. Only a forced power off gets the machine going. Tried it from a terminal window same results. Tried reboot -f same results. Even loaded busybox and used busybox reboot -f Don't see anything in the log files... It doesn't come up with an error on the reboot, so it seems to be shutting down correctly, but just not doing the final reboot process. Try the suggestions at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelCommonProblems#System_hangs_on_reboot kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 14:06 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:53:54 -0400 William Case billli...@rogers.com wrote: xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox xchat-gnome Lets step back a bit. What is your high level goal here? Looking for a more elegant solution than just writing a 'sleep' script to use in session-mangaer gnome should remember and restart your firefox and xchat-gnome on login. Does it not do so? Yes. Or can you elaborate on what you are trying to do further? I am using compiz to place and position certain applications'windows. Firefox and xchat-gnome start before compiz, and so aren't placed or positioned properly at startup. All other decorating takes place as soon as compiz is loaded; other programs are placed and positioned properly but are initiated later in the start process. Firefox and xchat-gnome are placed and positioned properly if closed and reopened. I received the above suggested line from members of my local Lug after about an hour conferring on xchat-gnome. -- Regards Bill Fedora 13, Gnome 2.30.2 Evo.2.20.2, Emacs 23.2.1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick
On 07/08/2010 06:08 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Abu Attar Musharih abuattar.musha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I made a live bootable Fedora-13 on Buffalo 8G usb stick using Linux command dd if=Fedora-13-i686-Live.iso of=/dev/sdb1 It was successful apart from no longer able to copy any file on it. The live Fedora only occupied 700M while the media is 8G. I got the following message when trying to copy a file on it, even if with the root privilege. cp mag01.doc /media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/ cp: cannot create regular file `/media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/mag01.doc': Read-only file system When you copied the image directly onto the device you in effect destroyed the exisiting file system, that's the downside to using the dd method. I removed any existing partition using /sbin/fdisk and reformatted with command line /sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb What I have now is a single partition with only 6.8 Gb free space. I think you should have used: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 The question, how can I recover the original volume amount, 8G. If this is related to the file systems (ext3), which one should I choose so the volume get back to the original. Thanks for any kind of response. You seem to be fairly comfortable using the command line, but a graphical tool would make this much easier to see what's going on. I would install gparted if you're using gnome or qtparted and repartition reformat from there. Also, if you would like to have access from a windows machine I would reformat as FAT32. Actually in retrospect, I believe the liveusb-creator tool[1] will format it for you and will allow you to setup a persistent overlay so changes can be saved. Keep in mind it's not that intelligent, from what I understand it just records block changes from the livecd image and does not reuse any part of the overlay, i.e. changes will continue to be tracked until the entire overlay is used up at which point it is automatically dropped as a fail-safe. Richard [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo Just install liveusb-creator-3.9.2-1.fc13.noarch and it will install the iso you select onto the usb stick. I have used it to install F13 onto a usb stick and it works; albeit - slower than a slug! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:32:25 -0400 William Case billli...@rogers.com wrote: ...snip... Or can you elaborate on what you are trying to do further? I am using compiz to place and position certain applications'windows. Firefox and xchat-gnome start before compiz, and so aren't placed or positioned properly at startup. All other decorating takes place as soon as compiz is loaded; other programs are placed and positioned properly but are initiated later in the start process. Firefox and xchat-gnome are placed and positioned properly if closed and reopened. I received the above suggested line from members of my local Lug after about an hour conferring on xchat-gnome. How about taking a look at devilspie? % yum info devilspie Name : devilspie Arch : x86_64 Version: 0.22 Release: 5.fc13 Size : 106 k Repo : installed From repo : fedora Summary: A window-matching utility URL: http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie License: GPLv2+ Description: A window-matching utility, inspired by Sawfish's Matched Windows option and : the lack such functionality in Metacity. Devil's Pie can be configured to : detect windows as they are created, and match the window to a set of rules. : If the window matches the rules, it can perform a series of actions on that : window. You may be able to get it to move or setup the windows the way you want? kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI
On 07/08/2010 10:21 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from. poc There are several DVD rippers, but I do not know if any of them can rip on a DVD structured dir on disk into an AVI or WMV file. How about creating an iso image of it (mkiso), burn it onto DVD and then rip the DVD into an AVI file? It is kludgy to be sure :) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?
On 07/08/2010 03:32 PM, William Case wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 14:06 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:53:54 -0400 William Casebillli...@rogers.com wrote: xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox xchat-gnome Lets step back a bit. What is your high level goal here? Looking for a more elegant solution than just writing a 'sleep' script to use in session-mangaer gnome should remember and restart your firefox and xchat-gnome on login. Does it not do so? Yes. Or can you elaborate on what you are trying to do further? I am using compiz to place and position certain applications'windows. Firefox and xchat-gnome start before compiz, and so aren't placed or positioned properly at startup. snip You can load the compiz fusion icon in your session startup before anything else. For me, compiz starts just after gnome-terminal, and gets all my windows in the right places, including firefox, about 75% of the time. When it does not work just right are times when application pop ups get obscured. I am also interested in getting it to be a bit more accurate ... Good luck, and I will be looking for answers as well. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 14:40 -0700, JD wrote: How about creating an iso image of it (mkiso), burn it onto DVD and then rip the DVD into an AVI file? The reason I'm doing this is that I'm having trouble with my DVD burner. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI [SOLVED]
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 12:43 -0700, Michael Miles wrote: The support for avi files is WINFF as it is the front end for mencoder that I use and works very well If you need to play these an a Stanalone DVD player then yes you need avi files Kdenlive is another media type program that does more than just conversion but the one I use is Avidemux. It is a bit complex but extremely powerful. I have winff, kdenlive and avidemux. AFAIK none of them can handle an existing on-disk DVD structure. I guess there's not much demand for this. The easiest to use is Handbrake but avi support is nil even though it says it handles them The need for standalone players to support MKV x264 is needed and they are out there but expensive h264 in the mkv container is the best format yet Most of the current standalone players with USB inputs seem to handle this. My player is a few years old so it doesn't. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 13 - Shutdown works, but Restart Freezes??
On 8 Jul 2010 at 15:18, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Date sent: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 15:18:34 -0600 From: Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject:Re: Fedora 13 - Shutdown works, but Restart Freezes?? Organization: Scrye Send reply to: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org mailto:users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org?subject=unsubscribe mailto:users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org?subject=subscribe On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:02:51 -0700 Michael D. Setzer II mi...@kuentos.guam.net wrote: I installed Fedora 13 on a Gateway E2000 and have found that restart/reboot freezes, but a shutdown does a full power down correctly. By default goes to the graphical screen, the same for both, but with shutdown, it says shutting down and then powers off. The restart shows the restarting message, but then stops responding. No keyboard lights change, no CTRL-ALT-DEL, nothing. Only a forced power off gets the machine going. Tried it from a terminal window same results. Tried reboot -f same results. Even loaded busybox and used busybox reboot -f Don't see anything in the log files... It doesn't come up with an error on the reboot, so it seems to be shutting down correctly, but just not doing the final reboot process. Try the suggestions at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelCommonProblems#System_hangs_on_reboot The reboot=b seems to fix the problem, but the reboot option seems to work just fine with all the kernels I've built for my g4l project from kernel.org on the same machine, so why does the Fedora kernel do this? Thanks. kevin +--+ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor Guam Community College Computer Center mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com http://www.guam.net/home/mikes Guam - Where America's Day Begins +--+ http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original) Number of Seti Units Returned: 19,471 Processing time: 32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes (Total Hours: 287,489) bo...@home CREDITS SETI 9763292.210122 | EINSTEIN 4142549.740851 ROSETTA 2027290.462519 | ABC 1443090.360569 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick
- Original Message From: fred smith fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 2:15:59 PM Subject: Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick A few months ago I did an actual install onto a USB stick, rather than one of the live CD on USB things. this allowed me to have the full size of the usb stick as a hard drive and it could be run just like a normal installation and updated just like one too. I did it with the install to hard disk function of the LIVE CD, but I'd expect an install from a cd/dvd (non-live) to work just as well. I've never seen anyone suggest this method, so I don't know what the drawbacks are, all I know is it worked for what I needed. I've done it (with the LXDE spin), and I like it. rantThe only annoyance is that the standard desktop Live CD insists it needs 4GB for an installation, which is utterly ridiculous. My so-called 4GB flash drive shows up as 3.8GB, which means it doesn't work. A basic installation off a Live CD onto my hard drive has been just under 2GB. I don't need the kitchen sink on my flash drive, I don't want the kitchen sink on my flash drive, but if the filesystem, complete with bootloader, fits on a 2GB flash drive, I want to be able to install it on a 2GB flash drive/rant -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 13 - Shutdown works, but Restart Freezes??
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:09:38 -0700 Michael D. Setzer II mi...@kuentos.guam.net wrote: On 8 Jul 2010 at 15:18, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Try the suggestions at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelCommonProblems#System_hangs_on_reboot The reboot=b seems to fix the problem, but the reboot option seems to work just fine with all the kernels I've built for my g4l project from kernel.org on the same machine, so why does the Fedora kernel do this? I would guess either: a) a patch in the Fedora kernel is behaving oddly with your hardware. and/or b) a config option is different. You can look at the fedora config in /boot/config* PS: No need to reply direct to me on mailing list posts, I'm subscribed to the list too. ;) kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Problem with tarring out a tar file
Hi, I had downloaded a zip file under windows and unzipped it. No problems. The file names in the zipped archive are long german names, so they are displayed with special chars embedded in the file names and directory names, like Barrè Mächter among others. So I tarred out the whole directory into a tar file. Later I moved that tar file to another mounted partition. I cd'ed to the mounted partition and tried to untar it: tar xpvf my-tar-ball.tar For every file in the tarball, tar outputs the message .long...filename: No such file or directory. Any clues why this is happening? Thanx, JD -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 15:42 -0600, Phil Meyer wrote: On 07/08/2010 03:32 PM, William Case wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 14:06 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:53:54 -0400 William Casebillli...@rogers.com wrote: xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox xchat-gnome Lets step back a bit. What is your high level goal here? Looking for a more elegant solution than just writing a 'sleep' script to use in session-mangaer gnome should remember and restart your firefox and xchat-gnome on login. Does it not do so? Yes. Or can you elaborate on what you are trying to do further? I am using compiz to place and position certain applications'windows. Firefox and xchat-gnome start before compiz, and so aren't placed or positioned properly at startup. snip You can load the compiz fusion icon in your session startup before anything else. For me, compiz starts just after gnome-terminal, and gets all my windows in the right places, including firefox, about 75% of the time. When it does not work just right are times when application pop ups get obscured. I am also interested in getting it to be a bit more accurate ... Good luck, and I will be looking for answers as well. In Fedora 12 I found that positioning and placing worked (or didn't work) depending on whether I was relogging in or re-starting. Determined that I should fix it in Fedora 13. Just to keep the eye candy nice. It is no longer eye candy if you have to futz with it. -- Regards Bill Fedora 13, Gnome 2.30.2 Evo.2.20.2, Emacs 23.2.1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 15:37 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:32:25 -0400 William Case billli...@rogers.com wrote: ...snip... Or can you elaborate on what you are trying to do further? I am using compiz to place and position certain applications'windows. Firefox and xchat-gnome start before compiz, and so aren't placed or positioned properly at startup. All other decorating takes place as soon as compiz is loaded; other programs are placed and positioned properly but are initiated later in the start process. Firefox and xchat-gnome are placed and positioned properly if closed and reopened. I received the above suggested line from members of my local Lug after about an hour conferring on xchat-gnome. How about taking a look at devilspie? % yum info devilspie Name : devilspie Arch : x86_64 Version: 0.22 Release: 5.fc13 Size : 106 k Repo : installed From repo : fedora Summary: A window-matching utility URL: http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie License: GPLv2+ Description: A window-matching utility, inspired by Sawfish's Matched Windows option and : the lack such functionality in Metacity. Devil's Pie can be configured to : detect windows as they are created, and match the window to a set of rules. : If the window matches the rules, it can perform a series of actions on that : window. You may be able to get it to move or setup the windows the way you want? Used devilspie in the past. Prefer most other things that compiz has. -- Regards Bill Fedora 13, Gnome 2.30.2 Evo.2.20.2, Emacs 23.2.1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problem with tarring out a tar file
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:35:48 -0700 JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I had downloaded a zip file under windows and unzipped it. No problems. The file names in the zipped archive are long german names, so they are displayed with special chars embedded in the file names and directory names, like Barrè Mächter among others. So I tarred out the whole directory into a tar file. Later I moved that tar file to another mounted partition. I cd'ed to the mounted partition and tried to untar it: tar xpvf my-tar-ball.tar For every file in the tarball, tar outputs the message .long...filename: No such file or directory. Any clues why this is happening? What filesystem type is the directory you are untarring it on? Is it by change a fat/vfat or the like? It may well not be able to handle utf8 encoded filenames. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Paltalk on Fedora
Has anyone gotten paltalk scene to install/work on fedora, and assuming wine? I must be an idiot cuz I got wine installed but it wouldn't install the/any programs, as kept getting couldnt' start/run start.exe or something along those lines. I used to use the paltalk express to get on, using flash 10.0.45 I think but paltalk doesn't seem to recognize that version the last week or so. And if I try to install flash 10.1 (on a 64 bit system) using nspluginwrapper it eventually gets on, but the number pad on my keyboard stopped working and few other things. Just didn't seem like everything worked doing it that way. And no pidgin doesn't work with paltalk as have seen on the internet while googling this problem. Soo, any ideas? -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY Best lil town on Earth! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI [SOLVED]
On 07/08/2010 03:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 12:43 -0700, Michael Miles wrote: The support for avi files is WINFF as it is the front end for mencoder that I use and works very well If you need to play these an a Stanalone DVD player then yes you need avi files Kdenlive is another media type program that does more than just conversion but the one I use is Avidemux. It is a bit complex but extremely powerful. I have winff, kdenlive and avidemux. AFAIK none of them can handle an existing on-disk DVD structure. I guess there's not much demand for this. The easiest to use is Handbrake but avi support is nil even though it says it handles them The need for standalone players to support MKV x264 is needed and they are out there but expensive h264 in the mkv container is the best format yet Most of the current standalone players with USB inputs seem to handle this. My player is a few years old so it doesn't. poc I just did a bit of experimenting and the closest I could get was VLC. Under file select convert/stream Point to your DVD TS folder and convert to a avi file Takes forever but will do it. For me I find the best way is to load the other os (Win 7 or XP) into virtual box and install DVDFAB Platinum and go for it. I cringe at having to run a Windows product but for graphics Windows is very much in the lead because of the companies that write for Windows. Good Luck Poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [Bulk] Re: Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 17:32 -0400, William Case wrote:
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 14:06 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:53:54 -0400
William Case billli...@rogers.com wrote:
xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox xchat-gnome
I have the following script in /usr/bin/compiz-gtk
#!/bin/bash
function runCompiz() {
gtk-window-decorator
if ( [ -e /usr/lib/compizconfig/backends/libgconf.so ] ||
[ -e /usr/lib64/compizconfig/backends/libgconf.so ] )
then
exec compiz --ignore-desktop-hints ccp $@
else
exec compiz --ignore-desktop-hints glib gconf
gnomecompat $@
fi
}
ISSW=`glxinfo | grep Software Rasterizer -c`
# Try with direct rendering
HAVETFP=`glxinfo | grep texture_from_pixmap -c`
if ( [ $ISSW == 0 ] [ $HAVETFP -gt 2 ] ); then
runCompiz $@
fi
# Try again with indirect rendering
export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1
HAVETFP=`glxinfo | grep texture_from_pixmap -c`
if ( [ $ISSW == 0 ] [ $HAVETFP -gt 2 ] ); then
runCompiz $@
fi
# Fall back to metacity
exec metacity $@
I was thinking of inserting the above xev line in here somewhere before
runCompiz function. Or perhaps as a separate function. But I can't find
where compiz-gtk gets called from on startup.
--
Regards Bill
Fedora 13, Gnome 2.30.2
Evo.2.20.2, Emacs 23.2.1
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Re: Problem with tarring out a tar file
On 07/08/2010 04:13 PM, jack craig wrote: On 07/08/2010 03:35 PM, JD wrote: Hi, I had downloaded a zip file under windows and unzipped it. No problems. The file names in the zipped archive are long german names, so they are displayed with special chars embedded in the file names and directory names, like Barrè Mächter among others. So I tarred out the whole directory into a tar file. Later I moved that tar file to another mounted partition. I cd'ed to the mounted partition and tried to untar it: tar xpvf my-tar-ball.tar For every file in the tarball, tar outputs the message .long...filename: No such file or directory. Any clues why this is happening? Thanx, JD what does $tar tvf my-tar-ball.tar say?? It displays all the long dir and file names. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problem with tarring out a tar file
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 16:13 -0700, jack craig wrote: On 07/08/2010 03:35 PM, JD wrote: Hi, I had downloaded a zip file under windows and unzipped it. No problems. The file names in the zipped archive are long german names, so they are displayed with special chars embedded in the file names and directory names, like Barrè Mächter among others. So I tarred out the whole directory into a tar file. Later I moved that tar file to another mounted partition. I cd'ed to the mounted partition and tried to untar it: tar xpvf my-tar-ball.tar For every file in the tarball, tar outputs the message .long...filename: No such file or directory. Any clues why this is happening? Thanx, JD what does $tar tvf my-tar-ball.tar say You might also check the file system type you moved it to. If you moved it to a FAT16 or FAT32 volume, you might not have gotten all the file as FAT16 has a 2G file size limitation. Don't know FAT32 restriction, but I suspect it is larger, but still might not hold your tar-ball. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
FYI, Updated Adobe Air Now Works
For those of you who wanted to install TweetDeck of Seesmic, with a recent update, Adobe Air now works perfectly on F13, BTW, I still prefer Choquok. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 14:40 -0700, JD wrote: On 07/08/2010 10:21 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from. poc There are several DVD rippers, but I do not know if any of them can rip on a DVD structured dir on disk into an AVI or WMV file. You can install ogmrip from rpmfusion, it handles a structured DVD directory. How about creating an iso image of it (mkiso), burn it onto DVD and then rip the DVD into an AVI file? It is kludgy to be sure :) -- Germán A. Racca National Institute for Space Research (INPE) São José dos Campos - SP - Brasil http://skytux.fedorapeople.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Bind Problems
Anyone know the best forum or mailing list to find answers to wierd BIND problems. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
Tim: It doesn't double up the *to* addresses, when I reply here. I second the motion that it's most likely to be a gmail problem. Either what it does, or how you're using it. Tom H: Thanks for the info. The way that I am using it?! LOL Well, it had to be one of those two options, and was a brilliant chance to shove a joke in. ;-) An awful lot of mailing problems are down to how people use their clients (pressing the wrong buttons, filling their own details into the preferences incorrectly, etc.). I can't see why it should happen, it hasn't happened here, and I saw nothing in the posts to suggest a reason why it should. I am inclined to believe it's most likely to be another one of those gmail oddities. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 05:33 -0400, Tom H wrote: Tim has posted that he doesn't see this de-doubling on Yahoo. Well, I should point out that I'm using Evolution for mail, even though the mail goes through a yahoo address. We're lucky to still have POP3 access to the free yahoo mail service, here. So it's really the Evolution mail client that's not having a problem with that issue. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Command Preference
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 19:15 -0700, Alejandro Rodriguez Luna wrote: What if I have 2 command like ls, one in /bin/ls and another in ~/bin/ls, i'd like to use my own ls, how i can do that? There is a risk in putting a path before the system paths, if it's possible for something else to be put into that extra path by hook or crook. One option, that's not annoying to manage, if it's only one or two commands, is to alias them. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 12 and Privoxy
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 09:09 -0700, Jason Turning wrote: It's on for runlevels 2 thru 5, but on boot up it fails with the following message from the Privoxy logfile: Jul 08 09:02:21.415 7f27343cd700 Fatal error: can't bind to 127.0.0.1:8118: The hostname is not resolvable So I'm guessing the network isn't up yet and it fails to load. I think I read where Fedora 12 is trying to load things simultaneously and perhaps the network isn't enabled when it tries to load? I wouldn't have thought that for 127.0.0.1. That should be up even if your other interfaces aren't. What's in your /etc/hosts file? -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Gnome Menu curosity question ?!?
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 12:56 -0400, William Case wrote: On the Gnome Menu, what is the difference between 'Applications = System Tools' and 'Preferences = Administration'? There seems to be no rhyme or reason why some applications are placed in one category rather than another. Yes, it does seem to be a mess. Logically, you'd expect the tools menu items to give you programs that let you do something related to the system, but don't actually change any settings (e.g. gather system information, browse the drives, view logs). And the preferences menu items to do with changing settings that will affect the system, and all users. Back on Fedora 9, I can see at least one thing in applications/systems that ought to be in your personal preferences, the gconf-editor shortcut. When you use it, you only get to tweak settings related to your own logon account, not the whole system. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Problem with dkms in F13
Hi, I'm running F13 and VirtualBox from virtualbox.org. Each time when a new kernel is installed, the virtualbox box driver modules are *not rebuilt*. So, after rebooting and starting VirtualBox, the start is rejected and a PopupUp appears saying something as Fedora users should install DKMS, and I have to do /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup manually. But in my box, the most recent (??) version of dkms is installed: dkms-2.1.0.1-1.fc12.noarch. Any advice? Kind regards -- Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 09:14 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Why does no-one ever mention Reply To List as the proper way to, duh, reply to the list? Probably because it's hardly ever seen as an option to the user (it's hidden, or simply not offered). Mail clients are often quite awful, and it tended to be the older usenet clients that gave you all the right features in a sensible manner. e.g. Back when I used ForteInc Agent, many years ago, when you are reading from a news group, the interface gave you: A new post button, to write a new message to that group, that wasn't an erroneous reply to a prior post. A feature sadly lacking from mail clients when they're working with list mail, that could quite easily be added to the toolbar (or an always-there one activated) when a message with list details in their headers was selected. A reply button, to reply to the poster directly (or their reply-to, if the poster had set one). A follow-up button, to reply back to the group. Which replies to the group, and doesn't send unnecessary personal posts at the same time. And, not to mention, that it did quoting properly (wrapped well, without mangling all the prefix indicators). The two replying options did let you easily do what you intended, and didn't rope in additional functions at the same time (i.e. sending out replies in multiple directions, simultaneously). It's only by testing that I can see what reply to all will do on any client, and usually it doesn't do what I'd logically expect. i.e. If I were to hit reply to all on your post, now, it'd make sense that it replied to the list, and to the poster. That's the most obvious definition of all in this case (all addresses). But it only prepares a reply to the list. Other clients that I've tried this with behave differently. And therein lay a big problem - a particularly named feature doing different things, when it should really always do the same thing. And for the sake of this argument, I don't care what it's supposed to do, only what's the most logical conclusion to make about what you think it's supposed to do, and what it actually does, are the main concernts. In my opinion, many lists set the reply-to address because those lists are intended to keep replies on the list, and the list managers know that most people wouldn't do that if it wasn't preset for them. People will just hit reply, and expect it to do the right thing. If it weren't for the fact that we'd lose much, probably most, of the list traffic to private replies, I'd object less about not presetting the reply-to with the list address. I've seen what happens with lists where replies go privately. I've said it already (they have the same questions over and over, and no replies), and you can find it for yourself whenever you go googling to try and solve a problem. You find a page after page where someone has asked your question, and there's no public answer, at all. It's not a supposition, it's real. Yes, it would be nice that replies to your postings went through the list still addressed /to/ you, so that your client can let you know that you've had a reply (as we used to get with usenet, and various BBS mail systems). However, that only works with the first reply. Other replies, that were actually a reply to a second party in the thread, if it ever managed to get that far, may also be pertinent to you, but will not be addressed to you, and won't be flagged by your mail client, nor sent to you if you're not subscribed. Usenet clients, and some mail clients, covered that event quite neatly with the watch thread function. You enabled it on a thread that took your interest, and all child threads from that point on were watched. Forks of the thread from before you started watching it were not. But all of them rely on one thing - you have to be subscribed. Whether you (generically, not Patrick in particular) like it or not, there are *good* reasons to set list mail's reply-to headers to the list. Particularly on lists where you want mail to stay in the public arena, with lists that will be used by people who know nothing about email intricacies, with lists where people with a problem need as much help as they can get. It is the simplest and most effective way to make a mailing list work. It's no good arguing that people would soon learn to reply differently, because they would not. The hit and run questioners would not, they're not around long enough to learn. Even the regulars are quite unlikely to learn, given the example of the number of people who don't/won't learn to create a new message rather than reply to an unrelated one. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:
