Re: How to change console font in grub2?

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 08:29 PM, Tom H wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Tom Horsley  wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:27:37 -0500 Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>>> the path to it being the
>>> default resides in more usage testing and bug fixing in fedora
>> The path to it being a viable option first has to go through
>> the process of the utter elimination of the foolish update-grub
>> preprocessor to construct the grub.cfg file from a million
>> bits and pieces.
>>
>> Grub originally cleaned lilo's clock primarily because you
>> didn't have to remember to run extra tools to make the changes
>> take effect. Now the standard usage for grub2 requires running
>> extra tools again. Does no one remember how many problems
>> that caused?
>>
>> One of the primary reasons it must not use a preprocessor
>> (particularly the way it is currently distributed) is that
>> you cannot actually configure everything you might need to
>> change. You can fall back on editing various files you
>> aren't supposed to edit, but the next grub2 update you
>> get will probably overwrite your changes.
>>
>> You can even edit the grub.cfg file if you want to, but the
>> next kernel update will overwrite your changes.
>>
>> Until the one and only place grub config information is
>> stored is the one grub.cfg file, grub2 is unacceptably
>> boneheaded and should not be the standard boot loader.
> You're being unfair to grub2! :)
>
> Unlike lilo, grub2-mkconfig doesn't re-write the MBR; a big
> difference. Also, in grub1, grubby edits "/boot/grub/grub.conf" when a
> new kernel is installed so grub1's behavior isn't that different from
> grub2's.
I have not used grubby directly, but when a new kernel is installed,
the only annoying change is that the new kernel entry is on top
of all previous entries, AND the default boot number is bumped up by one
so that default boot is the same kernel you have been booting.
I find this acceptable and least intrusive of the two options (grub1 vs. 
grub2).
I hope that the user will always be given the option of choosing which
grub to stick with rather than be shoe-horned into using grub-2.

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Re: How to change console font in grub2?

[Tom H]

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Tom Horsley  wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:27:37 -0500 Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>>
>> the path to it being the
>> default resides in more usage testing and bug fixing in fedora
>
> The path to it being a viable option first has to go through
> the process of the utter elimination of the foolish update-grub
> preprocessor to construct the grub.cfg file from a million
> bits and pieces.
>
> Grub originally cleaned lilo's clock primarily because you
> didn't have to remember to run extra tools to make the changes
> take effect. Now the standard usage for grub2 requires running
> extra tools again. Does no one remember how many problems
> that caused?
>
> One of the primary reasons it must not use a preprocessor
> (particularly the way it is currently distributed) is that
> you cannot actually configure everything you might need to
> change. You can fall back on editing various files you
> aren't supposed to edit, but the next grub2 update you
> get will probably overwrite your changes.
>
> You can even edit the grub.cfg file if you want to, but the
> next kernel update will overwrite your changes.
>
> Until the one and only place grub config information is
> stored is the one grub.cfg file, grub2 is unacceptably
> boneheaded and should not be the standard boot loader.

You're being unfair to grub2! :)

Unlike lilo, grub2-mkconfig doesn't re-write the MBR; a big
difference. Also, in grub1, grubby edits "/boot/grub/grub.conf" when a
new kernel is installed so grub1's behavior isn't that different from
grub2's.

Whether grub2 has many scripts or not isn't an issue (for me) but I'd
like, as I posted previously, to have more variables in
"grub2-mkconfig" that I can modify through "/etc/default/grub" rather
than have to edit "/usr/sbin/grub2-mkconfig", "/etc/grub.d/*", and
"/etc/default/grub"; and have my changes overwritten but a grub2
update/upgrade.
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Re: How to change console font in grub2?

[Tom H]

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Tom H  wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:39 PM, JD  wrote:
>>  On 10/15/2010 05:27 PM, Tom H wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Frank Murphy  wrote:
 On 15/10/10 22:06, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2010/06/upgrading-fedora-13-to-grub2.html
>
> The blog is incorrect. When you install grub2, it sets itself up in
> parallel with grub1 (as it does in other distributions). You can then
> chainload grub2 from grub1. If you're satisfied that your box can
> boot, you can then install gettext and run grub2-install and
> grub2-mkconfig to switch over completely to grub2.

 Some instructions would be nice.
 I hosed my first attemp using fedoras grub2 pafe.
>>>
>>> First step (chainloaded from grub1):
>>> yum install grub2 gettext
>>> grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
>>>
>>> Reboot and choose "GRUB 2" from the grub1 menu to ensure that the
>>> chainloading works. The "GRUB 2" entry should load the grub1
>>> equivalent of stage 1.5 but located in "/boot/grub2", which should
>>> then load the grub2 menu. If you're satisfied with the boot, you can
>>> go to the next stage.
>>>
>>> Second step ("full" install):
>>> grub2-install /dev/sda
>>>
>>> (I vaguely remember filing a bug report for grub2 to depend on gettext
>>> a few months ago.)
>>
>> Thanx for the head-up Tom.
>> I think you or some other OP stated that in grub 2
>> you cannot manually edit the grub menu (grub2.conf ?? )
>> Is this correct? If yes,
>> how can the user then alter the boot params in the boot menu?
>
> You're welcome.
>
> You can edit "/boot/grub2/grub.cfg" but it'll be overwritten the next
> time that grub2-mkconfig runs (for example when a new kernel's
> installed).
>
> The boot params can be changed through "/boot/default/grub". This is a
> default location for changing settings in Debian and Ubuntu so I'd
> expect Fedora to move it to /etc/sysconfig once/if grub2's fully
> fleshed out. The variables are GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX AND
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT (the former is to set boot params for both
> the "regular" entry and "recovery" entry).

I forgot to say that you have to run "grub2-mkconfig -o
/boot/grub2/grub.cfg" to apply these boot params. Debian and Ubuntu
have an "update-grub" script that runs "grub-mkconfig -o
/boot/grub/grub.cfg" that may also exist upstream but doesn't exist in
Fedora.
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Re: How to change console font in grub2?

[Tom H]

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:39 PM, JD  wrote:
>  On 10/15/2010 05:27 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Frank Murphy  wrote:
>>> On 15/10/10 22:06, Tom H wrote:
>
> http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2010/06/upgrading-fedora-13-to-grub2.html

 The blog is incorrect. When you install grub2, it sets itself up in
 parallel with grub1 (as it does in other distributions). You can then
 chainload grub2 from grub1. If you're satisfied that your box can
 boot, you can then install gettext and run grub2-install and
 grub2-mkconfig to switch over completely to grub2.
>>>
>>> Some instructions would be nice.
>>> I hosed my first attemp using fedoras grub2 pafe.
>>
>> First step (chainloaded from grub1):
>> yum install grub2 gettext
>> grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
>>
>> Reboot and choose "GRUB 2" from the grub1 menu to ensure that the
>> chainloading works. The "GRUB 2" entry should load the grub1
>> equivalent of stage 1.5 but located in "/boot/grub2", which should
>> then load the grub2 menu. If you're satisfied with the boot, you can
>> go to the next stage.
>>
>> Second step ("full" install):
>> grub2-install /dev/sda
>>
>> (I vaguely remember filing a bug report for grub2 to depend on gettext
>> a few months ago.)
>
> Thanx for the head-up Tom.
> I think you or some other OP stated that in grub 2
> you cannot manually edit the grub menu (grub2.conf ?? )
> Is this correct? If yes,
> how can the user then alter the boot params in the boot menu?

You're welcome.

You can edit "/boot/grub2/grub.cfg" but it'll be overwritten the next
time that grub2-mkconfig runs (for example when a new kernel's
installed).

The boot params can be changed through "/boot/default/grub". This is a
default location for changing settings in Debian and Ubuntu so I'd
expect Fedora to move it to /etc/sysconfig once/if grub2's fully
fleshed out. The variables are GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX AND
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT (the former is to set boot params for both
the "regular" entry and "recovery" entry).
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Re: Which package you would like every new Fedora user to see?

[James McKenzie]

  On 10/13/10 11:37 AM, JD wrote:
>On 10/13/2010 11:19 AM, Frank Cox wrote:
>> On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 19:43 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote:
>>> All three are already added, but feel free to suggest some new great
>>> tools and apps that you feel are missing.
>> Depending on your target audience, what about geany?
> Do not forget ffmpeg and various audio codecs and libs, and win32 codecs.
> Also, flash plugin. Important for viewing flash web content.
JD:

There might be two issues that prevent this:

1.  Licensing type conflicts.
2.  Patents.

Both are ugly and a real pain, but they are there.

(BTW, this is why Wine does not ship with libmpg123 nor do most Linux 
distributions.)

However, I like the idea of including this type of 'stuff' as long as 
the list does not get way too long (filling a DVD by itself could be 
very easy.)

James McKenzie

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Re: Installing F14 Beta

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 07:24 PM, James McKenzie wrote:
>On 10/15/10 3:48 PM, JD wrote:
>> On 10/15/2010 11:23 AM, James McKenzie wrote:
>>>  On 10/15/10 10:52 AM, Terry Polzin wrote:
 On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 13:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On 10/14/10 5:10 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> The list info on
>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users  states that
>> "this list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice
>> for Fedora users" without specifying a release version, however the
>> developers would probably appreciate knowing about an F14 problem
>> throughhttp://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test  (for example).
>> -- 
> IMHO F14 is not a Fedora version, given that it hasn't been released
> yet. Same with Rawhide.
>
> poc
 There IS a fedora test list.
>>> True, for both POC and you.  However, guys coming down on someone like
>>> they are a nail and you are a hammer is not very good for FC public
>>> relations and sometimes does not get the 'job done.'
>>>
>>> It just might be good to know what did not work with the beta when the
>>> GA comes down and we experience the same problem in this list.  Such
>>> information should not be placed into a vacuum or list that gets wiped
>>> for each FC 'version'.
>>>
>>> And Rawhide is a Fedora 'version' as is 14, but they have their own list
>>> for now and brokenness and other issues SHOULD go to them.
>>>
>>> James McKenzie
>>>
>> James, you can't play the peacemaker and be on the side
>> that is clearly WRONG!!!
> Maybe in your eyes, but there is the golden rule of use of mailing
> lists:  Post only that is pertinent to the appropriate mailing list.  If
> there is a mailing list for a particular function, that is where the
> post SHOULD go.  Just because the Fedora User mailing list looks like a
> garbage can does not mean it should be.  If there is a test version
> question, that is where the question should go.  It has been stated that
> the Fedora developers do not lurk in this list and problems reported
> here may or may not be corrected.  This is what I call a disservice to
> those who loaded up a test version to look at and report problems.
>> Read  my posts immediately prior to this one!!
> I did.
>> I have read all the guidelines of the list. If anything, they
>> support and backup my statements.
>> This is a general users list for anything "fedora"
>> REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE
>> DEDICATED LISTS OR FORUMS FOR THAT SPECIFIC
>> FEDORA ISSUE.
>> As I stated:  for just about every issue posted here,
>> there is a dedicated list or form. Are you going to tell
>> every user to stop posting on this list and go to that
>> dedicated list or forum?
> No, I'm not.  The best situation that I can show of off-topic but yet
> on-topic postings is the question on Apache.  This really needs to be
> addressed in the Apache forums, but I did not jump on this person's
> question and state that they had 'posted an off-topic message and to
> take this elsewhere.'
>
>> If this were an actual rule of this list, this list would be
>> empty!
>>
> Not necessarily.  Again, we don't want this list to be a 'failure to
> communicate' which is a real poor reflection on this project.  Again, if
> the problem involves problems with a test version, that is where the
> question should go.  The Fedora developers don't read this list (as far
> as anyone here has stated, I would love to be incorrect in this.)
>
> The purpose of this list is for user support by other users and
> sometimes, RedHat folks.  Most of the answers I see here are from people
> like you, a user and me, a user.  We really cannot help folks fix
> serious brokenness in a test build, and that is not what we are here
> for.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  The same applies for RawHide, the high
> rate of change version of Fedora.  There are other lists for some of the
> programs that are supplied by the Fedora project, but if it has to do
> with Fedora it is allowed here.  Again the emphasis is that users will
> receive general help in most cases.  There have been threads that
> definitely were not Fedora oriented, but they were very lively and gave
> out very good and helpful information.
>
> Posting messages relating to test versions are not usually tracked in a
> general user forum/mailing list.  This causes problems when there are
> problems that this forum cannot answer.
>
> One thing that I'm not going to do, that others have done is jump on
> folks that post here about FC 14 or Rawhide.  I might give them a gentle
> reminder that the assistance they will receive here will not be as high
> quality nor have the authority of people in the other lists and then
> direct them to the appropriate list where they should receive better
> assistance.  I will state again "You can draw more 'bees' with honey
> than you ever can with vinegar" is a statement that I've found to work
> time and time again.  We don't need to crush fol

Re: Installing F14 Beta

[James McKenzie]

  On 10/15/10 3:48 PM, JD wrote:
>On 10/15/2010 11:23 AM, James McKenzie wrote:
>> On 10/15/10 10:52 AM, Terry Polzin wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 13:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On 10/14/10 5:10 PM, Tom H wrote:
> The list info on
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users  states that
> "this list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice
> for Fedora users" without specifying a release version, however the
> developers would probably appreciate knowing about an F14 problem
> throughhttp://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test  (for example).
> -- 
 IMHO F14 is not a Fedora version, given that it hasn't been released
 yet. Same with Rawhide.

 poc
>>> There IS a fedora test list.
>> True, for both POC and you.  However, guys coming down on someone like
>> they are a nail and you are a hammer is not very good for FC public
>> relations and sometimes does not get the 'job done.'
>>
>> It just might be good to know what did not work with the beta when the
>> GA comes down and we experience the same problem in this list.  Such
>> information should not be placed into a vacuum or list that gets wiped
>> for each FC 'version'.
>>
>> And Rawhide is a Fedora 'version' as is 14, but they have their own list
>> for now and brokenness and other issues SHOULD go to them.
>>
>> James McKenzie
>>
> James, you can't play the peacemaker and be on the side
> that is clearly WRONG!!!
Maybe in your eyes, but there is the golden rule of use of mailing 
lists:  Post only that is pertinent to the appropriate mailing list.  If 
there is a mailing list for a particular function, that is where the 
post SHOULD go.  Just because the Fedora User mailing list looks like a 
garbage can does not mean it should be.  If there is a test version 
question, that is where the question should go.  It has been stated that 
the Fedora developers do not lurk in this list and problems reported 
here may or may not be corrected.  This is what I call a disservice to 
those who loaded up a test version to look at and report problems.
> Read  my posts immediately prior to this one!!
I did.
> I have read all the guidelines of the list. If anything, they
> support and backup my statements.
> This is a general users list for anything "fedora"
> REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE
> DEDICATED LISTS OR FORUMS FOR THAT SPECIFIC
> FEDORA ISSUE.
> As I stated:  for just about every issue posted here,
> there is a dedicated list or form. Are you going to tell
> every user to stop posting on this list and go to that
> dedicated list or forum?
No, I'm not.  The best situation that I can show of off-topic but yet 
on-topic postings is the question on Apache.  This really needs to be 
addressed in the Apache forums, but I did not jump on this person's 
question and state that they had 'posted an off-topic message and to 
take this elsewhere.'

> If this were an actual rule of this list, this list would be
> empty!
>
Not necessarily.  Again, we don't want this list to be a 'failure to 
communicate' which is a real poor reflection on this project.  Again, if 
the problem involves problems with a test version, that is where the 
question should go.  The Fedora developers don't read this list (as far 
as anyone here has stated, I would love to be incorrect in this.)

The purpose of this list is for user support by other users and 
sometimes, RedHat folks.  Most of the answers I see here are from people 
like you, a user and me, a user.  We really cannot help folks fix 
serious brokenness in a test build, and that is not what we are here 
for.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  The same applies for RawHide, the high 
rate of change version of Fedora.  There are other lists for some of the 
programs that are supplied by the Fedora project, but if it has to do 
with Fedora it is allowed here.  Again the emphasis is that users will 
receive general help in most cases.  There have been threads that 
definitely were not Fedora oriented, but they were very lively and gave 
out very good and helpful information.

Posting messages relating to test versions are not usually tracked in a 
general user forum/mailing list.  This causes problems when there are 
problems that this forum cannot answer.

One thing that I'm not going to do, that others have done is jump on 
folks that post here about FC 14 or Rawhide.  I might give them a gentle 
reminder that the assistance they will receive here will not be as high 
quality nor have the authority of people in the other lists and then 
direct them to the appropriate list where they should receive better 
assistance.  I will state again "You can draw more 'bees' with honey 
than you ever can with vinegar" is a statement that I've found to work 
time and time again.  We don't need to crush folks because they posted 
here, but rather be gentle with them.  Can we ALL do this?  Yes, I think 
we can and more importantly, should.

James McKenzie

Re: Installing F14 Beta

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 06:42 PM, Mike Chambers wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 11:37 +1030, Tim wrote:
>
>> Just about everyone who's been on this list for several years KNOWS that
>> they post on this list about current releases, and the test list about
>> the *next* releases being tested.
>>
>> The reasons for it are quite clear, and haven't changed.  Those working
>> on the test releases, follow the test lists, and may not even read
>> anything on this list.  Those using the current release, follow this
>> list, and don't want to be deluged by all the problems of a test release
>> being *inappropriately* discussed on this list.
> Tim is spot on.  The only reason someone using a test/beta/rc release to
> post to this list is for generic/basic linux problems that pretty much
> can go to any linux distro.  Any other problems, need to go to the
> test/devel lists where the maintainers/QA listen to (as well as or more
> to bugzilla).
>
> "no matter the release" is for *release*, as in an "officially released
> product*, not just *any* release, no matter what.
:-D :-D :-D :-D

  :-D   :-D   :-D  :-D


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Re: How to change console font in grub2?

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 06:33 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:39:23 -0700
> JD wrote:
>
>> I think you or some other OP stated that in grub 2
>> you cannot manually edit the grub menu (grub2.conf ?? )
>> Is this correct?
> You can edit it, but if someone (like the rpm that installs
> a new kernel) runs update-grub, then your changes will be
> wiped out. At least on ubuntu, the official grub2 technique
> is to edit /etc/grub.conf (if I'm remembering the name right),
> then run update-grub which runs that plus a bunch of other
> files through a preprocessor.
Thanx! Will remember that.

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Re: Installing F14 Beta

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 06:07 PM, Tim wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 15:42 -0700, JD wrote:
>> I don't care!
> That's quite clear.  And while you continue to behave like an ass, you
> should expect to get treated like one.
>
> Just about everyone who's been on this list for several years KNOWS that
> they post on this list about current releases, and the test list about
> the *next* releases being tested.
>
> The reasons for it are quite clear, and haven't changed.  Those working
> on the test releases, follow the test lists, and may not even read
> anything on this list.  Those using the current release, follow this
> list, and don't want to be deluged by all the problems of a test release
> being *inappropriately* discussed on this list.
>
blah blah blah...

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Re: Installing F14 Beta

[Mike Chambers]

On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 11:37 +1030, Tim wrote:

> Just about everyone who's been on this list for several years KNOWS that
> they post on this list about current releases, and the test list about
> the *next* releases being tested.
> 
> The reasons for it are quite clear, and haven't changed.  Those working
> on the test releases, follow the test lists, and may not even read
> anything on this list.  Those using the current release, follow this
> list, and don't want to be deluged by all the problems of a test release
> being *inappropriately* discussed on this list.

Tim is spot on.  The only reason someone using a test/beta/rc release to
post to this list is for generic/basic linux problems that pretty much
can go to any linux distro.  Any other problems, need to go to the
test/devel lists where the maintainers/QA listen to (as well as or more
to bugzilla).

"no matter the release" is for *release*, as in an "officially released
product*, not just *any* release, no matter what.


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Re: How to change console font in grub2?

[Tom Horsley]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:39:23 -0700
JD wrote:

> I think you or some other OP stated that in grub 2
> you cannot manually edit the grub menu (grub2.conf ?? )
> Is this correct?

You can edit it, but if someone (like the rpm that installs
a new kernel) runs update-grub, then your changes will be
wiped out. At least on ubuntu, the official grub2 technique
is to edit /etc/grub.conf (if I'm remembering the name right),
then run update-grub which runs that plus a bunch of other
files through a preprocessor.
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Re: Installing F14 Beta

[Tim]

On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 15:42 -0700, JD wrote:
> I don't care!

That's quite clear.  And while you continue to behave like an ass, you
should expect to get treated like one.

Just about everyone who's been on this list for several years KNOWS that
they post on this list about current releases, and the test list about
the *next* releases being tested.

The reasons for it are quite clear, and haven't changed.  Those working
on the test releases, follow the test lists, and may not even read
anything on this list.  Those using the current release, follow this
list, and don't want to be deluged by all the problems of a test release
being *inappropriately* discussed on this list.

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Re: How to change console font in grub2?

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 05:27 PM, Tom H wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Frank Murphy  wrote:
>> On 15/10/10 22:06, Tom H wrote:
 http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2010/06/upgrading-fedora-13-to-grub2.html
>>> The blog is incorrect. When you install grub2, it sets itself up in
>>> parallel with grub1 (as it does in other distributions). You can then
>>> chainload grub2 from grub1. If you're satisfied that your box can
>>> boot, you can then install gettext and run grub2-install and
>>> grub2-mkconfig to switch over completely to grub2.
>> Some instructions would be nice.
>> I hosed my first attemp using fedoras grub2 pafe.
> First step (chainloaded from grub1):
> yum install grub2 gettext
> grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
>
> Reboot and choose "GRUB 2" from the grub1 menu to ensure that the
> chainloading works. The "GRUB 2" entry should load the grub1
> equivalent of stage 1.5 but located in "/boot/grub2", which should
> then load the grub2 menu. If you're satisfied with the boot, you can
> go to the next stage.
>
> Second step ("full" install):
> grub2-install /dev/sda
>
> (I vaguely remember filing a bug report for grub2 to depend on gettext
> a few months ago.)
Thanx for the head-up Tom.
I think you or some other OP stated that in grub 2
you cannot manually edit the grub menu (grub2.conf ?? )
Is this correct? If yes,
how can the user then alter the boot params in the boot menu?
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Re: missing libcrypto.so.6

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 04:56 PM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
> Hmm... so.10 is there already along with all of that opensssl, but 
> also there is message that 6 is here as well, last message after 
> whatprovides:
>
> Maya2011_0_64-2011.0-419.x86_64 : Maya 2011 For Linux x64
> Repo : installed
> Matched from:
> Filename : /usr/autodesk/maya2011-x64/support/openssl/libcrypto.so.6
>
> So it should be working but...
> I'm gonna check in Maya manual as well but if anyone already have an 
> idea it would be great.
> Thanks again!
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Mirko Jankovic 
>  > wrote:
>
> Actualy it is not old program, It is Maya 2011 so new one, on
> Fedora 13 x64
> I'm gona try couple of those things, I;ve already try some but
> there are few tricks that I didn't know about so I'm gonna try
> them now.
> Thank you!
>
>
>
See this blog:

it probably provides some required functions/funtionality or a 
dependency was not removed from the 2011 rpm package. this library was 
included with the Maya 2010 release - 
backburner_libs.sw.base-2008.1.3-330.i386.rpm package. doesn’t look like 
it is shipped with 2011. could install 2010 version rpm

or try installing without the dependency rpm option --nodeps

at URL:
http://area.autodesk.com/forum/autodesk-maya/autodesk-maya-2011/maya-2011-install-on-fedora-11-x8664-os-error---libdlnrapiso/



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Re: missing libcrypto.so.6

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 04:53 PM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
> Actualy it is not old program, It is Maya 2011 so new one, on Fedora 
> 13 x64
> I'm gona try couple of those things, I;ve already try some but there 
> are few tricks that I didn't know about so I'm gonna try them now.
> Thank you!

Apparently, you have a binary only which was compiled with an old version
of openssl.

You could download
http://archives.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/releases/8/Fedora/i386/os/Packages/openssl-0.9.8b-17.fc8.i386.rpm

but it will have far reaching impact due to dependencies which would 
really mess up your F13 installation.

You could do a couple of things:

1. Trick Maya by creating a symlink in /lib as follows:
 cd /lib
 sudo ln -s libcrypto.so.1.0.0a libcrypto.so.6
and then run Maya

If Maya does not buy it especially if it checks for it using some config 
tool or
looks inside it to see if it is the right version, then you can resort to

2. extracting the lib out of the rpm package:
rpm2tgz openssl-0.9.8b-17.fc8.i386.rpm

Create an empty dir.
tar -C EmptyDirName -zxpf openssl-0.9.8b-17.fc8.i386.tgz
cd EmptyDirName/lib

tar cf - libssl.so.6 libssl.so.0.9.8b libcrypto.so.0.9.8b libcrypto.so.6 
| sudo tar -C /lib -xpf -

This will at least let Maya link with libcrypto.so.6
but it is likely that libcrypto.so.6 itself will try to look for and link
with an older version of yet another library and not find it,
which puts you back in square one.

Even if it did work, it could very well expose you to a security risk in 
openssl
that has been fixed in current F13 version.


This openssl package depends on:

libk5crypto.so.3
libdl.so.2(GLIBC_2.0)
libdl.so.2
/bin/sh
rtld(GNU_HASH)
rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3)
libresolv.so.2
rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.4)
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1)
config(openssl) = 0.9.8b-17.fc8
libz.so.1
libk5crypto.so.3(k5crypto_3_MIT)
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1.3)
libcom_err.so.2
libgssapi_krb5.so.2
libkrb5.so.3
libkrb5.so.3(krb5_3_MIT)
/sbin/ldconfig
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.7)
libc.so.6
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3.4)




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Re: How to change console font in grub2?

[Tom H]

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Frank Murphy  wrote:
> On 15/10/10 22:06, Tom H wrote:
>>>
>>> http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2010/06/upgrading-fedora-13-to-grub2.html
>>
>> The blog is incorrect. When you install grub2, it sets itself up in
>> parallel with grub1 (as it does in other distributions). You can then
>> chainload grub2 from grub1. If you're satisfied that your box can
>> boot, you can then install gettext and run grub2-install and
>> grub2-mkconfig to switch over completely to grub2.
>
> Some instructions would be nice.
> I hosed my first attemp using fedoras grub2 pafe.

First step (chainloaded from grub1):
yum install grub2 gettext
grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg

Reboot and choose "GRUB 2" from the grub1 menu to ensure that the
chainloading works. The "GRUB 2" entry should load the grub1
equivalent of stage 1.5 but located in "/boot/grub2", which should
then load the grub2 menu. If you're satisfied with the boot, you can
go to the next stage.

Second step ("full" install):
grub2-install /dev/sda

(I vaguely remember filing a bug report for grub2 to depend on gettext
a few months ago.)
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Re: missing libcrypto.so.6

[Ed Greshko]

 On 10/16/2010 07:56 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
> Hmm... so.10 is there already along with all of that opensssl, but
> also there is message that 6 is here as well, last message after
> whatprovides:
>
> Maya2011_0_64-2011.0-419.x86_64 : Maya 2011 For Linux x64
> Repo: installed
> Matched from:
> Filename: /usr/autodesk/maya2011-x64/support/openssl/libcrypto.so.6
>
> So it should be working but...
> I'm gonna check in Maya manual as well but if anyone already have an
> idea it would be great.
> Thanks again!
>

It "should" be working if Maya 2011 is configured properly to find its
private libcrypto.so.6.

Best to check your Maya 2011 manual and/or support forums.

AFAIK, Maya 2011 isn't packaged by Fedora for Fedora.

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Re: missing libcrypto.so.6

[Mirko Jankovic]

Hmm... so.10 is there already along with all of that opensssl, but also
there is message that 6 is here as well, last message after whatprovides:

Maya2011_0_64-2011.0-419.x86_64 : Maya 2011 For Linux x64
Repo: installed
Matched from:
Filename: /usr/autodesk/maya2011-x64/support/openssl/libcrypto.so.6

So it should be working but...
I'm gonna check in Maya manual as well but if anyone already have an idea it
would be great.
Thanks again!


On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Mirko Jankovic <
mirko.janko...@aeonproduction.com> wrote:

> Actualy it is not old program, It is Maya 2011 so new one, on Fedora 13 x64
> I'm gona try couple of those things, I;ve already try some but there are
> few tricks that I didn't know about so I'm gonna try them now.
> Thank you!
>
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Re: missing libcrypto.so.6

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 04:46 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> On Saturday, October 16, 2010 00:24:05 Mirko Jankovic wrote:
>> Hey guys. I'm missing this *libcrypto.so.6* when I try to start an prgoram.
>> Any idea how to find it and install?
>>
>> error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.6: cannot open shared
>> object file: No such file or directory
> What program are you trying to start? And what version of Fedora?
>
> On F12, if I ask
>
> # yum whatprovides */libcrypto.so.*
>
> one of the answers (the most relevant one) is:
>
> openssl-1.0.0a-1.fc12.x86_64 : A general purpose cryptography library with TLS
> implementation
> Repo: updates
> Matched from:
> Filename: /usr/lib64/libcrypto.so.10
> Filename: /usr/lib64/libcrypto.so.1.0.0a
>
> I don't know for F13, but on F12 it appears that current version of
> libcrypto.so is 10, not 6. If your program insists on 6, it probably needs
> updating.
>
> Otherwise, a single
>
> # yum install openssl
>
> should provide you with the library, if it isn't already there.
>
> HTH, :-)
> Marko
>
>
Libcrypto.so.6 was last seen in
fedora/linux/releases/8/Fedora/i386/os/Packages/openssl-0.9.8b-17.fc8.i686.rpm

Libcrypto.so.6 goes as far back as Fedora 5.


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Re: missing libcrypto.so.6

[Mirko Jankovic]

Actualy it is not old program, It is Maya 2011 so new one, on Fedora 13 x64
I'm gona try couple of those things, I;ve already try some but there are few
tricks that I didn't know about so I'm gonna try them now.
Thank you!
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Re: missing libcrypto.so.6

[Ed Greshko]

 On 10/16/2010 07:38 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>  On 10/16/2010 07:24 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
>> Hey guys. I'm missing this *libcrypto.so.6* when I try to start an
>> prgoram. Any idea how to find it and install?
>>
>> error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.6: cannot open
>> shared object file: No such file or directory
> What program is looking for libcrypto.so.6?  It must be rather old as
> the current is .10 in F14 and even .8 in F11.
>

Forgot to mention that you could always use something like "yum
whatprovides */libcrypto.so.6" to find what package, if any, could be
installed to satisfy the dependency from the repos you have defined.


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Re: missing libcrypto.so.6

[Ed Greshko]

 On 10/16/2010 07:24 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
> Hey guys. I'm missing this *libcrypto.so.6* when I try to start an
> prgoram. Any idea how to find it and install?
>
> error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.6: cannot open
> shared object file: No such file or directory

What program is looking for libcrypto.so.6?  It must be rather old as
the current is .10 in F14 and even .8 in F11.




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Re: missing libcrypto.so.6

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 04:24 PM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
> Hey guys. I'm missing this *libcrypto.so.6* when I try to start an 
> prgoram. Any idea how to find it and install?
>
> error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.6: cannot open 
> shared object file: No such file or directory
>
>
> Thanks!
yum install openssl


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missing libcrypto.so.6

[Mirko Jankovic]

Hey guys. I'm missing this *libcrypto.so.6* when I try to start an prgoram.
Any idea how to find it and install?

error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.6: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory


Thanks!
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Re: Copy and paste in Terminal

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 12:59 PM, Alex wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> What Alex can do in order to force the highlighted word or text
>> to go into the buffer that can be pasted with ctrl-shivf-v,
>> is to
>> 1. highlight the text or anything for that matter (such as a web page)
>> 2. right click in the same area
>> 3. select copy
>> This will put the copied buffer into the same buffer that ctr-shift-v
>> will paste in any window.
> Yes, this is exactly what I've been doing, and I set the key combo to
> be shift-insert, instead of the awkward ctrl-shift-v. It's just that
> right-click->Copy step that makes it feel like Windows and I'd like to
> eliminate.
>
> Thanks again, everyone. I'll check out the clipboard managers in the
> next few days when I have some time.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
Hey Alex,
since you can map shift-insert to paste,
how about mapping another shorter key
sequence to Edit->Copy (i.e. ctr-shift-c ) ?
You could map shift-F12 to Edit->Copy.


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Re: NEW to 'Fedora 13'

[stan]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:23:12 -0700 (PDT)
jeff breibart  wrote:

> Hello!
> 
>     Just bought a used lap-top (-for our child) which has the 'Fedora
> 13' OS installed.
> (-the presence of LINUX was a positive influence in our decision to
> buy this lap-top)
> 
>    Unfortunately, my knowledge/familiarity with anything other than
> MS XP is: ZERO !
>  
>    After our purchase, I attempted to explore (its) "functionality"; 
> as a result, I, inadvertently: a) eliminated some of the 'icons', and,
>   
>  b) cannot 'access' the
> Internet !
> 
>     HELP !!

The good news is that your problem(s) is/are probably easily remedied
by someone who is experienced in Fedora, or even linux.

The bad news is you are not that person, and it will be difficult to
guide you through the steps without more information.  It is like
learning a different word processor.  The functionality is the same,
but the commands to do things are all different.

Do you know the root password?  Root is the administrator role that can
do anything on the system.

Have you set up a user account?  That is how you should normally use
the system to avoid the kind of experiences you are having.

Can you get to a console so you can login as root?  Ctl-Alt-F2 held
down together.  To get back to the gui, Ctl-Alt-F1, or sometimes after
multiple logins and logouts, Ctl-Alt-F7 or Ctl-Alt-F8.
If you can login as root, try the command
ifup eth0  
(presumes you have a wired connection)  That should get you
internet access again.  If you have a wireless connection, you need to
work with Network Manager.  That will be 
System->Administration->Network
System->Administration-Network-Device-Control

What happens if you just try rebooting?  Normally, that should bring
the network back unless you turned it off.  That seems unlikely.

Hope some of this helps.

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Re: Installing F14 Beta

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 11:23 AM, James McKenzie wrote:
>On 10/15/10 10:52 AM, Terry Polzin wrote:
>> On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 13:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> On 10/14/10 5:10 PM, Tom H wrote:
 The list info on
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users  states that
 "this list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice
 for Fedora users" without specifying a release version, however the
 developers would probably appreciate knowing about an F14 problem
 throughhttp://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test  (for example).
 -- 
>>> IMHO F14 is not a Fedora version, given that it hasn't been released
>>> yet. Same with Rawhide.
>>>
>>> poc
>> There IS a fedora test list.
> True, for both POC and you.  However, guys coming down on someone like
> they are a nail and you are a hammer is not very good for FC public
> relations and sometimes does not get the 'job done.'
>
> It just might be good to know what did not work with the beta when the
> GA comes down and we experience the same problem in this list.  Such
> information should not be placed into a vacuum or list that gets wiped
> for each FC 'version'.
>
> And Rawhide is a Fedora 'version' as is 14, but they have their own list
> for now and brokenness and other issues SHOULD go to them.
>
> James McKenzie
>
James, you can't play the peacemaker and be on the side
that is clearly WRONG!!!
Read  my posts immediately prior to this one!!
I have read all the guidelines of the list. If anything, they
support and backup my statements.
This is a general users list for anything "fedora"
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE
DEDICATED LISTS OR FORUMS FOR THAT SPECIFIC
FEDORA ISSUE.
As I stated:  for just about every issue posted here,
there is a dedicated list or form. Are you going to tell
every user to stop posting on this list and go to that
dedicated list or forum?
If this were an actual rule of this list, this list would be
empty!




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Re: Installing F14 Beta

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 10:45 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>On 10/14/10 5:10 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> The list info on
>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users  states that
>> "this list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice
>> for Fedora users" without specifying a release version, however the
>> developers would probably appreciate knowing about an F14 problem
>> throughhttp://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test  (for example).
>> -- 
> IMHO F14 is not a Fedora version, given that it hasn't been released
> yet. Same with Rawhide.
>
> poc
These opinions DO NOT MATTER!
Only an opinion!! NOT A RULE OF THIS LIST!
Which part of the explanation emailed by Tom
do you not understand!Read it and re-read it:
This list

"this list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice
for Fedora users" without specifying a release version,..."

And as I clearly stated, that if anyone thinks that
just because there are other dedicated mailing lists or forums
for any particular fedora application, or problem in any fedora package
or driver or kernel, in no way precludes posting these issues
here on this list. This is fedora users list is the general list for all
fedora packages, iso's, upgrades, drivers, etc...etc...
If this gets your goat, then that fine and dandy with me  :) :)


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Re: Installing F14 Beta

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 10:52 AM, Terry Polzin wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 13:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> On 10/14/10 5:10 PM, Tom H wrote:
>>> The list info on
>>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users  states that
>>> "this list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice
>>> for Fedora users" without specifying a release version, however the
>>> developers would probably appreciate knowing about an F14 problem
>>> throughhttp://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test  (for example).
>>> -- 
>> IMHO F14 is not a Fedora version, given that it hasn't been released
>> yet. Same with Rawhide.
>>
>> poc
> There IS a fedora test list.
>
I don't care!
Read my previous replies.

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Re: How to change console font in grub2?

[Tom Horsley]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:27:37 -0500
Dennis Gilmore wrote:

> the path to it being the 
> default resides in more usage testing and bug fixing in fedora

The path to it being a viable option first has to go through
the process of the utter elimination of the foolish update-grub
preprocessor to construct the grub.cfg file from a million
bits and pieces.

Grub originally cleaned lilo's clock primarily because you
didn't have to remember to run extra tools to make the changes
take effect. Now the standard usage for grub2 requires running
extra tools again. Does no one remember how many problems
that caused?

One of the primary reasons it must not use a preprocessor
(particularly the way it is currently distributed) is that
you cannot actually configure everything you might need to
change. You can fall back on editing various files you
aren't supposed to edit, but the next grub2 update you
get will probably overwrite your changes.

You can even edit the grub.cfg file if you want to, but the
next kernel update will overwrite your changes.

Until the one and only place grub config information is
stored is the one grub.cfg file, grub2 is unacceptably
boneheaded and should not be the standard boot loader.

Just because 1.98 is a bigger number than 0.97, doesn't
mean it is a better number.
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Re: How to change console font in grub2?

[Dean S . Messing]

Dennis Gilmore  wrote:
> I find no valid argument in that page for not using the fedora packages.
> building from source as you do means you lose the ability to verify
> whats installed on your system.  there is zero reason why you cant
> install grub2 as the only bootloader using the fedora rpms you just need
> to run "grub2-install /dev/sda" for instance and going off and doing
> something random on your own means that others can not benefit from your
> efforts.  grub2 could be a viable option for fedora but it still needs a
> lot of work.  the path to it being the default resides in more usage
> testing and bug fixing in fedora.

You asked for my reason.  I gave it.

I was (and still am) a novice at grub2.  The blogger sounded (and still
does sound) like he has lots more experience than I do with grub2.  He
has a tutorial on how to write modules and lots of other stuff for
grub2.  I trusted him (and got everything to work, except the green font
problem that few here have addressed (see my OP).

I also understand that you, Tom H, and others also have vastly more
experience with grub2 than me, and as I read your remarks I learn.

I am also well-aware of the advantages of running an "all rpm" system.
But sometimes non-rpm packages simply must be installed. (I'll admit
grub2 is not one of them, but having read the blogger's description of
the Rube-goldberg scheme fedora concocted, I decided to just remove all
the grub1 stuff and start fresh with grub2.  Learning experience.)

Having said all this, I'm probably going to rip out grub2 (called "grub"
when you install in natively like I did), and restore the old Fedora
grub1 which I understand how to drive pretty well, bugs and all, and
just wait for grub3 as someone advised.  I simply can't live with the
green 1600x1200 fonts. (I use the VT a lot.) And I refuse to learn all
the stuff one must to drive grub2 "properly".  I just want to boot my
system. :-) I've spent the last 4 evenings figuring out how to build
Scilab from source for Fedora 13 (there's no .rpm package).  That's
where (some of) my free time goes.

Dean
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Re: NEW to 'Fedora 13'

[bruce]

hey jeff...

i feel your pain...

where are you located? the us/canada/europe? might be easier to help
you on the phone.

what icons have you deleted?, or better yet, can you login, can you
get to the gui?

are you using gnome/kde/etc..??

if you can login, and get to a teminal window.. we can get you running
to the net..

let us know..


On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:23 PM, jeff breibart  wrote:
> Hello!
>
>     Just bought a used lap-top (-for our child) which has the 'Fedora 13' OS
> installed.
> (-the presence of LINUX was a positive influence in our decision to buy this
> lap-top)
>
>    Unfortunately, my knowledge/familiarity with anything other than MS XP
> is:  ZERO !
>
>    After our purchase, I attempted to explore (its) "functionality";
> as a result, I, inadvertently: a) eliminated some of the 'icons', and,
>
>  b) cannot 'access' the Internet !
>
>     HELP !!
>
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Re: OSSEC

[Michael Cronenworth]

Steven Stern wrote:
> Is there a reason OSSEC isn't in the repos?  Or is it there and I'm just
> not seeing it?

I do not see it in the Fedora repos.

If you wish to see it in Fedora, then I recommend that you become[1] a 
maintainer for it.

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join
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Re: OT:How to disable a built-in kernel module?

[Michael D. Setzer II]

On 15 Oct 2010 at 18:30, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:

Date sent:  Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:30:01 +0100
From:   "Bryn M. Reeves" 
To: Community support for Fedora users 

Subject:Re: OT:How to disable a built-in kernel module?

> On 10/15/2010 06:21 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote:
> >   On 10/15/2010 02:33 AM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
> >> I have a project in which I build most nic and disk modules into the 
> >> kernel file
> >> so it will support hardware with any of the devices. In most cases this 
> >> works
> >> just fine with the kernel only loading the correct ones. But rarely, it 
> >> stops on a
> >> module that is not in the hardware. The latest one is the myri10ge module 
> >> for
> >> one users. I have built a kernel for this user with this module disable, 
> >> but
> >> would like to know if there is a kernel command line option to disable 
> >> module.
> >> blacklist doesn't seem to work with built-in modules.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> > 
> > inside /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf:
> > install  /bin/true
> 
> The OP is talking about components that have been configured to be
> linked into the main kernel image  (i.e. they are not modules at all).
> Any modprobe.conf/modprobe.d hacks will only affect things built as
> separate object files (.ko files, or .o for 2.4 and earlier).
> 
> To answer the original question: generally speaking, you can't unless
> the component itself provides some mechanism for it to be disabled via a
> kernel command line option.
> 
> The ability to completely disable certain modules is one of the benefits
> of having a modular kernel build in the first place.

Thanks for the info. The cd image includes a number of kernels with various 
kernels, to support wide hardware. Sometimes the latest kernel works, but 
sometimes older ones work. That is why the kernels are built as single files. 

As an additional note, just heard back from the user, and the kernel without 
the module, still stops, but now it stops at the module listed in the config 
before that one, so now disabling the one after that in the kernel config file.

I had hoped the debug kernel option might show more info, but seems to be 
the same. 

Again, thanks for the info.


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> Regards,
> Bryn.
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Re: How to change console font in grub2?

[Dennis Gilmore]

On Friday, October 15, 2010 02:29:56 pm Dean S. Messing wrote:
> On  Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:57:02 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> > 
> > any reason you did not use grub2 that is in fedora?
> 
> Yes.  Read this:
> 
>   http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2010/06/upgrading-fedora-13-to-grub2.html

I find no valid argument in that page for not using the fedora packages.  
building from source as you do means you lose the ability to verify whats 
installed on your system.  there is zero reason why you cant install grub2 as 
the only bootloader using the fedora rpms  you just need to run "grub2-install 
/dev/sda" for instance  and going off and doing something random on your own 
means that others can not benefit from your efforts.  grub2 could be a viabl 
option for fedora  but it still needs a lot of work.  the path to it being the 
default resides in more usage testing and bug fixing in fedora.

Dennis


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Re: How to change console font in grub2?

[Frank Murphy]

On 15/10/10 22:06, Tom H wrote:

>>   http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2010/06/upgrading-fedora-13-to-grub2.html
>
> The blog is incorrect. When you install grub2, it sets itself up in
> parallel with grub1 (as it does in other distributions). You can then
> chainload grub2 from grub1. If you're satisfied that your box can
> boot, you can then install gettext and run grub2-install and
> grub2-mkconfig to switch over completely to grub2.

Some instructions would be nice.
I hosed my first attemp using fedoras grub2 pafe.

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Re: How to change console font in grub2?

[Tom H]

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Dean S. Messing  wrote:
> On  Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:57:02 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>> 
>> any reason you did not use grub2 that is in fedora?
>
> Yes.  Read this:
>
>  http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2010/06/upgrading-fedora-13-to-grub2.html

The blog is incorrect. When you install grub2, it sets itself up in
parallel with grub1 (as it does in other distributions). You can then
chainload grub2 from grub1. If you're satisfied that your box can
boot, you can then install gettext and run grub2-install and
grub2-mkconfig to switch over completely to grub2.
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Re: NEW to 'Fedora 13'

[Hiisi]

2010/10/15 jeff breibart :
> Hello!
>
>     Just bought a used lap-top (-for our child) which has the 'Fedora 13' OS
> installed.
> (-the presence of LINUX was a positive influence in our decision to buy this
> lap-top)
>
>    Unfortunately, my knowledge/familiarity with anything other than MS XP
> is:  ZERO !
>
>    After our purchase, I attempted to explore (its) "functionality";
> as a result, I, inadvertently: a) eliminated some of the 'icons', and,
>
>  b) cannot 'access' the Internet !
>
>     HELP !!
>

Hello. Welcome to Fedora!
a) What icons? From where (from panel, from desktop, etc.)?
b) Please describe your connection type. Is it wired or wireless?
c) Please do not post in html. Read list guidelines at the end of
every message. There's a knowlegeable people on this list with html
block filters in their mailboxes.
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Re: Proprietary or open source NVidia drivers?

[Dean S. Messing]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:50:12 -0700 James McKenzie wrote:
>  On 10/14/10 1:52 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > This post has raised some heat in blog comments and also in Fedora
> > mailing list discussion.
> Discussing OpenSource versus Proprietary always brings heat.  Folks have 
> to remember thought, that the OpenSource drivers do not support features 
> and products that the proprietary drivers do, due to the 'hiding' of 
> information by Vendors and the time it takes to black box test a 
> particular feature.  That is a fact of life and we all need to keep that 
> in mind when someone asks:
> 
> "Open or closed source"?
> 
> Well what video card do you have and what do you plan to do with it?
> 
> Older model, 2D and simple 3D:  Open Source, almost always.
> Newer model (not on the OSS driver supported list) or complex 3D.  
> Proprietary, mainly.  As the OSS driver picks up more features AND the 
> video card becomes 'older' then the OSS driver should be selected over 
> proprietary.
> 
> Simple answer, complex solution as information has to be gathered and 
> suggestions should be made with caveats "This works for me" or "Your 
> Mileage May Vary".
> 
> No need to argue here.  This is about as cut and dried as it can be 
> made.  Some folks swear by Open Source, others at it.  Some swear by 
> nVidia/Catalyst/Intel, others at it.  Nobody is ever going to be 
> completely satisfied by someone else's solution if they are not doing 
> EXACTLY the same things.
> 
> James McKenzie

A voice of reason on this issue.  Amazing. :-)

As for me, on every new Fedora release I install (currently running F13)
I try the latest open source driver first.  Then I install the NVidia
driver (from the rpmfusion-nonfree repo).  The latter has not yet failed
to be snapper when running the KDE Desktop Effects than the former.
That's on my desktop machines.

I also use very advanced display technology (it's my research) which the
open source driver will probably _never_ drive.  (For example I'm
running a $10,000 NVidia Quadro Plex subsystem on one machine with
multiple gen-locked and frame-locked monitors.)

As for the OP's question of what driver:

[root ~]# rpm -qa | fgrep -i nvid
nvidia-settings-1.0-6.fc13.x86_64
nvidia-xconfig-1.0-4.fc13.x86_64
akmod-nvidia-256.53-1.fc13.x86_64
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-256.53-2.fc13.x86_64
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-256.53-2.fc13.x86_64
kmod-nvidia-2.6.34.7-56.fc13.x86_64-256.53-1.fc13.4.x86_64

all installed via "yum".

Note the "akmod".  It ensures (as I understand it) that a new
"kmod-nvidia" gets automagically compiled during the boot process
whenever I update to a new kernel.  I've been using the rpmfusion stuff
(and Livna) stuff for years w/o any problems to speak of.  (NB: Others
have had problems with akmod and don't use it.  YMMV).

The one time I downloaded a binary driver directly from nvidia (about 1
year ago) for some experiements, the package borked the module
installation process so at boot time I had to always "rmmod" and the
"modprobe" drivers.

That's my experience.

Dean

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Re: Copy and paste in Terminal

[Alex]

Hi,

> What Alex can do in order to force the highlighted word or text
> to go into the buffer that can be pasted with ctrl-shivf-v,
> is to
> 1. highlight the text or anything for that matter (such as a web page)
> 2. right click in the same area
> 3. select copy
> This will put the copied buffer into the same buffer that ctr-shift-v
> will paste in any window.

Yes, this is exactly what I've been doing, and I set the key combo to
be shift-insert, instead of the awkward ctrl-shift-v. It's just that
right-click->Copy step that makes it feel like Windows and I'd like to
eliminate.

Thanks again, everyone. I'll check out the clipboard managers in the
next few days when I have some time.

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: How to change console font in grub2?

[Dean S. Messing]

On  Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:57:02 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> 
> any reason you did not use grub2 that is in fedora?

Yes.  Read this:

  http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2010/06/upgrading-fedora-13-to-grub2.html
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Re: NEW to 'Fedora 13'

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:23:12 -0500 jeff breibart 
wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> Just bought a used lap-top (-for our child) which has the 'Fedora 13' OS 
> installed.
> (-the presence of LINUX was a positive influence in our decision to buy this 
> lap-top)
> 
>Unfortunately, my knowledge/familiarity with anything other than MS XP is: 
>  ZERO !
> 
>After our purchase, I attempted to explore (its) "functionality";
> as a result, I, inadvertently: a) eliminated some of the 'icons', and,
> 
>  b) cannot 'access' the Internet !
> 
> HELP !!
> 

Hello, 

Welcome to the club of Fedora users. Question: were you able to ever
access the network? Before your attempts at exploring its
functionality, that is?

Ranjan
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NEW to 'Fedora 13'

[jeff breibart]

Hello!

    Just bought a used lap-top (-for our child) which has the 'Fedora 13' OS 
installed.
(-the presence of LINUX was a positive influence in our decision to buy this 
lap-top)

   Unfortunately, my knowledge/familiarity with anything other than MS XP is: 
 ZERO !
 
   After our purchase, I attempted to explore (its) "functionality"; 
as a result, I, inadvertently: a) eliminated some of the 'icons', and,
  
 b) cannot 'access' the Internet !

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Re: Installing F14 Beta

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

  On 10/15/10 1:53 PM, James McKenzie wrote:
>On 10/15/10 10:52 AM, Terry Polzin wrote:
>> On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 13:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> On 10/14/10 5:10 PM, Tom H wrote:
 The list info on
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users  states that
 "this list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice
 for Fedora users" without specifying a release version, however the
 developers would probably appreciate knowing about an F14 problem
 throughhttp://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test  (for example).
 -- 
>>> IMHO F14 is not a Fedora version, given that it hasn't been released
>>> yet. Same with Rawhide.
>>>
>>> poc
>> There IS a fedora test list.
> True, for both POC and you.  However, guys coming down on someone like
> they are a nail and you are a hammer is not very good for FC public
> relations and sometimes does not get the 'job done.'
>
> It just might be good to know what did not work with the beta when the
> GA comes down and we experience the same problem in this list.  Such
> information should not be placed into a vacuum or list that gets wiped
> for each FC 'version'.
AFAIK no list gets wiped, and all the list archives are publically 
readable even to non-subscribers.
> And Rawhide is a Fedora 'version' as is 14, but they have their own list
> for now and brokenness and other issues SHOULD go to them.
Of course. That's basically what I'm saying. The idea that it's somehow 
OK to discuss prerelease versions here completely misses the point that 
some devels *do not read this list* (strange but true). Pointing this 
out -- politely -- is not out of place.

poc
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Re: X won't start on F14 - I've run out of ideas!

[Claude Jones]

On 10/14/2010 1:16 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> OTOH, you might try to boot a Fedora Live CD, just to be sure that hardware is
> still ok, run a memtest, etc. In general I hate to suggest a reinstall of the
> whole OS, but since there is no obvious way to understand the problem you
> have, maybe a reinstall would be a quick way out of problems. Just be sure to
> backup all your data.

With no one coming up with further ideas, I decided to try an upgrade 
using the F14TC1 release. It went fine, but the problem persisted upon 
first reboot. Don't know if that's a clue or no - I keep thinking, some 
.conf file or equivalent somewhere...is the prob

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Re: Installing F14 Beta

[James McKenzie]

  On 10/15/10 10:52 AM, Terry Polzin wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 13:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> On 10/14/10 5:10 PM, Tom H wrote:
>>> The list info on
>>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users  states that
>>> "this list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice
>>> for Fedora users" without specifying a release version, however the
>>> developers would probably appreciate knowing about an F14 problem
>>> throughhttp://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test  (for example).
>>> -- 
>> IMHO F14 is not a Fedora version, given that it hasn't been released
>> yet. Same with Rawhide.
>>
>> poc
> There IS a fedora test list.
True, for both POC and you.  However, guys coming down on someone like 
they are a nail and you are a hammer is not very good for FC public 
relations and sometimes does not get the 'job done.'

It just might be good to know what did not work with the beta when the 
GA comes down and we experience the same problem in this list.  Such 
information should not be placed into a vacuum or list that gets wiped 
for each FC 'version'.

And Rawhide is a Fedora 'version' as is 14, but they have their own list 
for now and brokenness and other issues SHOULD go to them.

James McKenzie

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Re: f13 pulse and passthrough

[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 09:11:56AM +0100, Ian Malone wrote:
> On 12 October 2010 23:12, Paul W. Frields  wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:09:55PM +0100, Ian Malone wrote:
> >> On 12 October 2010 16:02, Paul W. Frields  wrote:
> >> >
> 
> >> >
> >> > In PulseAudio, each sink has an associated "monitor" source that you
> >> > can use to monitor what's going out of that sink (such as listening to
> >> > a mixdown).
> >> >
> >>
> >> How do you actually listen to a monitor? The only way I've found so
> >> far is to use the loopback device which has a ~ 1/3 second latency.
> >
> > You can do this by running 'pamon' (from the pulseaudio-utils package)
> > and assigning the stream you create to some sink.  I just did it both
> > by 'folding back' onto the same output device and by assigning to a
> > new device.  In both cases latency was not apparent -- when I folded
> > back it sounded just like I increased the gain of the input stream.
> >
> 
> Thanks, I'm afraid I need a little more help. The best I've managed is 
> running:
> pamon -r alsa_output.pci-_02_09.0.analog-surround-40.monitor
> and
> pamon -p alsa_output.pci-_02_09.0.analog-surround-40.monitor
> Which has a noticeable latency between the two. There's a delay
> corresponding to the difference in starting time, but even trying the
> latency and raw options I can't eliminate it. Is the difference
> possibly because I'm using a recording input as source? (To be sure
> we're on the same page I'm effectively trying to monitor line-in.)

Sorry for the delay Ian.  I'm using an ALSA back end here (which I
think is the default setup).  Is that what you're using?

Maybe I misunderstood -- I thought you were trying to monitor a
mixdown.  If you want to monitor a line-in, I think what you're
looking for is the 'combine' module, which allows you to create a
virtual sink that maps to any connected sinks.  That way you could
sink your line-in to wherever it normally would go, as well as a sink
for your listening device.


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Re: Installing F14 Beta

[Terry Polzin]

On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 13:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On 10/14/10 5:10 PM, Tom H wrote:
> > The list info on
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users  states that
> > "this list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice
> > for Fedora users" without specifying a release version, however the
> > developers would probably appreciate knowing about an F14 problem
> > throughhttp://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test  (for example).
> > -- 
> IMHO F14 is not a Fedora version, given that it hasn't been released 
> yet. Same with Rawhide.
> 
> poc
There IS a fedora test list.

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Re: Installing F14 Beta

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

  On 10/14/10 5:10 PM, Tom H wrote:
> The list info on
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users  states that
> "this list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice
> for Fedora users" without specifying a release version, however the
> developers would probably appreciate knowing about an F14 problem
> throughhttp://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test  (for example).
> -- 
IMHO F14 is not a Fedora version, given that it hasn't been released 
yet. Same with Rawhide.

poc
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Re: Installing F14 Beta

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 09:28 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> JD wrote:
>> On 10/03/2010 04:46 AM, Craig White wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 20:42 -0700, JD wrote:
 That may be so!
 But it is not YOUR place to say to anyone
 if their post is out of place.
 Especially if the post IS about Fedora!
>>> 
>>> actually, it is my place to say to someone that their post is out off
>>> topic and I get extra points for providing the URL for the list where it
>>> is on topic.
>>>
>>> The question was not about any current Fedora release.
>>>
>>> I do have to admit that I am less bothered by your off topic postings
>>> than I am by your unhelpful answers to people on things you know little
>>> to nothing about but hey, that's just me. One of the reasons I have
>>> remained on this list for so many years was the generally high quality
>>> participants and answers and I find your participation often falls
>>> short.
>>>
>>> Craig
>> It is not your place at all.
> It is our place to put you on a KILL list as a persistent off-topic poster and
> all around troll.
>
>> Many people have been also replying to the thread
>> "X won't start on F14 - I've run out of ideas!"
> Yes, there are many new users who don't understand the principle of asking the
> question in the place where the people who know the answers might be found.
>
> Technical questions are like fishing, if you don't go where the fish are you
> will not catch anything, even with dynamite.
>
I dare you!!!
See who ends up on the kill list.
See Tom's post:
-

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:41 PM, JD  wrote:

> >On 10/14/2010 02:40 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> >>
>> >>  The list info on
>> >>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users  states that
>> >>  "this list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice
>> >>  for Fedora users" without specifying a release version, however the
>> >>  developers would probably appreciate knowing about an F14 problem
>> >>  throughhttp://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test  (for example).
> >
> >  Thank you Tom. In other words, it is not off limits
> >  which is what I was trying to convince a certain
> >  anal retentive OP of.
You're welcome.

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Re: Copy and paste in Terminal

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 08:03 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> On Friday, October 15, 2010 14:19:28 Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 23:03 -0400, Alex wrote:
>>> Okay, I can now say I really don't like using the middle wheel. It
>>> requires me to take my hands off the keyboard twice. I'd really like
>>> to be able to highlight the the mouse, and paste with a keyboard
>>> combination.
>> You seem to be mixing up the two methods of copying. You highlight with
>> the left mouse button and copy with the middle mouse button. NO keyboard
>> is involved,
> No, Alex understands that there are two separate ways to copy-paste. We
> clarified that before in the thread. What he wants is to unify the two
> clipboard buffers --- to select with the mouse and paste with the keyboard.
> Mainly because he doesn't feel comfortable clicking with the mouse wheel.
>
> This can probably be achieved using some clipboard manager software, but
> requires some configuring. I've never done anything similar, he needs to
> investigate various managers and find out.
>
> HTH, :-)
> Marko
>
What Alex can do in order to force the highlighted word or text
to go into the buffer that can be pasted with ctrl-shivf-v,
is to
1. highlight the text or anything for that matter (such as a web page)
2. right click in the same area
3. select copy
This will put the copied buffer into the same buffer that ctr-shift-v
will paste in any window.

This way, he completely avoids the middle button for pasting.

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Re: OT:How to disable a built-in kernel module?

[Bryn M. Reeves]

On 10/15/2010 06:21 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote:
>   On 10/15/2010 02:33 AM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
>> I have a project in which I build most nic and disk modules into the kernel 
>> file
>> so it will support hardware with any of the devices. In most cases this works
>> just fine with the kernel only loading the correct ones. But rarely, it 
>> stops on a
>> module that is not in the hardware. The latest one is the myri10ge module for
>> one users. I have built a kernel for this user with this module disable, but
>> would like to know if there is a kernel command line option to disable 
>> module.
>> blacklist doesn't seem to work with built-in modules.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> 
> inside /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf:
> install  /bin/true

The OP is talking about components that have been configured to be
linked into the main kernel image  (i.e. they are not modules at all).
Any modprobe.conf/modprobe.d hacks will only affect things built as
separate object files (.ko files, or .o for 2.4 and earlier).

To answer the original question: generally speaking, you can't unless
the component itself provides some mechanism for it to be disabled via a
kernel command line option.

The ability to completely disable certain modules is one of the benefits
of having a modular kernel build in the first place.

Regards,
Bryn.

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Re: Corrupted or Virus in User Directory

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 07:48 AM, Jim wrote:
>Fc13 - 14 / KDE
>
> I have three users on this box
>
> root
> jim
> jan
>
> 'Jim' user directory is corrupted or virus in it.
>
> You can be clicking on different windows, apps and the the screen
> freezes and no matter what you click on , nothing happens,
> in seconds or minutes it unfreezes and you can get back to work.
>
> But !! , the Mouse cursor  can be moved around the screen during freeze
> time.
>
> The problem is definitely in the Jim user directory.
>
> I can go into the root or jan home directories and work and the screen
> never freezes .
>
> I also deleted the ,kde directory to see if that was the problem , but
> it did not help, it still freezes .
>
> I ran 'top' and could not see anything hindering the CPU .
>
> I replaced FC 13 with 14 to see if that would make any difference,  and
> had the same effect.
>
> I guess I will have to Save the Users files and make a new Home for Jim.
When Jim logs in,  and the screen freezes,
login as root on the console, and do a ps -wwef | grep jim > /tmp/ps.jim

Next, do the same for Jan.

Compare the ps outputs to see just exactly what processes
jim is running that jan is not.
One or more of those processes might be the culprit(s).
If you do find these processes, check Jim's shell rc files
like
.bash_logout
.bash_profile
.bashrc

see if he might be invoking the errant process from these files.

If nothing found in the rc files, you have to suspect that one
or more app he is running may be infected, and should be replaced.

top will not should what is causing the freeze, only who is using
most cpu and who is using most ram etc.

Another thing to try is, when jim logs in, disable the network.
if it no longer freezes, he is running a program that is also
dependent on the network - without the network, the program
is crippled.  Find out which program.


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Re: OT:How to disable a built-in kernel module?

[Konstantin Svist]

  On 10/15/2010 02:33 AM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
> I have a project in which I build most nic and disk modules into the kernel 
> file
> so it will support hardware with any of the devices. In most cases this works
> just fine with the kernel only loading the correct ones. But rarely, it stops 
> on a
> module that is not in the hardware. The latest one is the myri10ge module for
> one users. I have built a kernel for this user with this module disable, but
> would like to know if there is a kernel command line option to disable module.
> blacklist doesn't seem to work with built-in modules.
>
> Thanks.
>

inside /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf:
install  /bin/true


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OSSEC

[Steven Stern]

I just noticed that OSSEC has upgraded to 2.5.1 and am busy compiling in
the new version.

Is there a reason OSSEC isn't in the repos?  Or is it there and I'm just
not seeing it?


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Re: Proprietary or open source NVidia drivers?

[James McKenzie]

  On 10/14/10 1:52 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote:
> This post has raised some heat in blog comments and also in Fedora
> mailing list discussion.
Discussing OpenSource versus Proprietary always brings heat.  Folks have 
to remember thought, that the OpenSource drivers do not support features 
and products that the proprietary drivers do, due to the 'hiding' of 
information by Vendors and the time it takes to black box test a 
particular feature.  That is a fact of life and we all need to keep that 
in mind when someone asks:

"Open or closed source"?

Well what video card do you have and what do you plan to do with it?

Older model, 2D and simple 3D:  Open Source, almost always.
Newer model (not on the OSS driver supported list) or complex 3D.  
Proprietary, mainly.  As the OSS driver picks up more features AND the 
video card becomes 'older' then the OSS driver should be selected over 
proprietary.

Simple answer, complex solution as information has to be gathered and 
suggestions should be made with caveats "This works for me" or "Your 
Mileage May Vary".

No need to argue here.  This is about as cut and dried as it can be 
made.  Some folks swear by Open Source, others at it.  Some swear by 
nVidia/Catalyst/Intel, others at it.  Nobody is ever going to be 
completely satisfied by someone else's solution if they are not doing 
EXACTLY the same things.

James McKenzie


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Re: [OT] To people with VoIP SIP Clients (twinkle, etc), friendly-scanner DOS attack

[Sam Sharpe]

On 15 October 2010 02:31, JD  wrote:
> Try to use www.arin.net
> You will see that arin.net will not tell you to which
> network (such as APNIC ) it belongs. Very mysterious :)

s...@samlap:~$ whois 218.14.146.200
% [whois.apnic.net node-2]
% Whois data copyright termshttp://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html

inetnum:  218.14.146.192 - 218.14.146.221
netname:  jiangmendianxinfengongsihaobaix
descr:jiangmenshihuanshiyilu2hao
country:  CN
admin-c:  JM-AP
tech-c:   IC83-AP
mnt-by:   MAINT-CHINANET-GD
changed:  gdtel_ip...@163.com 20091210
status:   Allocated non-portable
source:   APNIC

person:   JIANGMEN WANJIAN
address:  No.2, Huan Shi Yi Road, Jiangmen, China
country:  CN
phone:+86-750-3280600
e-mail:   ip...@gddc.com.cn
remarks:  IPMASTER is not for spam complaint,please send spam
complaint to ab...@gddc.com.cn
nic-hdl:  JM-AP
mnt-by:   MAINT-CHINANET-GD
changed:  chen...@gsta.com 20080328
source:   APNIC

person:   IPMASTER CHINANET-GD
nic-hdl:  IC83-AP
e-mail:   ip...@gddc.com.cn
address:  NO.1,RO.DONGYUANHENG,YUEXIUNAN,GUANGZHOU
phone:+86-20-83877223
fax-no:   +86-20-83877223
country:  CN
changed:  ip...@gddc.com.cn 20040902
mnt-by:   MAINT-CHINANET-GD
remarks:  IPMASTER is not for spam complaint,please send spam
complaint to ab...@gddc.com.cn
source:   APNIC

Not particularly hard or particularly mysterious

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Re: Copy and paste in Terminal

[suvayu ali]

On 15 October 2010 08:03, Marko Vojinovic  wrote:
> On Friday, October 15, 2010 14:19:28 Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 23:03 -0400, Alex wrote:
>> > Okay, I can now say I really don't like using the middle wheel. It
>> > requires me to take my hands off the keyboard twice. I'd really like
>> > to be able to highlight the the mouse, and paste with a keyboard
>> > combination.
>>
>> You seem to be mixing up the two methods of copying. You highlight with
>> the left mouse button and copy with the middle mouse button. NO keyboard
>> is involved,
>
> No, Alex understands that there are two separate ways to copy-paste. We
> clarified that before in the thread. What he wants is to unify the two
> clipboard buffers --- to select with the mouse and paste with the keyboard.
> Mainly because he doesn't feel comfortable clicking with the mouse wheel.
>
> This can probably be achieved using some clipboard manager software, but
> requires some configuring. I've never done anything similar, he needs to
> investigate various managers and find out.
>

I think I explained how to do that in my first post, (penultimate paragraph)

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-October/384715.html

Also if Alex is uncomfortable with middle clicks, he can use the
left-right simultaneous click as pointed out by Tim in an earlier
post.

> HTH, :-)
> Marko
>

Hope this will help.

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Re: Proprietary or open source NVidia drivers?

[James McKenzie]

  On 10/15/10 4:26 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> [snip to clarify comment]
> Well, yeah, and quite right too.  We can't fix proprietary drivers and
> we don't even know how they work.  We could spend our time debugging
> the interaction between proprietary drivers and our code, while trying
> to reverse-engineer the weird things the proprietary code may do.  Or,
> we could work on our own code to make it good so that people don't
> need the proprietary code any more.
>
Is it not the job of those who provide the code to fix it?  I always 
thought that was the case.  The Fedora project folks should not be 
moving things around to satisfy nVidia, AMD or Intel.  The point is that 
nVidia can and does state what kernel version they tested with.  The 
person using those drivers should install the corresponding Fedora 
Kernel.  If it does not work, then it is up to nVidia to fix, not Fedora

The OpenSource drivers should be doing this already.

James McKenzie

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Re: Installing fedora on dell inspiron 15

[James McKenzie]

  On 10/14/10 3:36 AM, sumatheja wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I need some suggestion on installing fedora 13 on my new dell 
> inspiron n5010. Through many forums i found there are some drivers 
> problems with installing fedora 13 on dell.
What items are not supported?
> Can anyone suggest me if its a good idea to install fedora on dell ?
Yes, you can install Fedora on a Dell.  You might not get everything 
working as you think it should.
> Is anyone successfully running fedora on their laptops? Is it a better 
> option to go with RHEL5?
Better you go with CentOS, the community supported version.  Unless you 
need the support from Red Hat and you are installing it 'one off' then 
this may be the way to go.  BTW, this is one of the Linux options I have 
on a Thinkpad because my employer uses RHEL/RHAS.  Keeps me busy 
'relearning' Linux command syntax and processes versus the other UNIX 
products we use.

James McKenzie

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Re: Corrupted or Virus in User Directory

[James McKenzie]

  On 10/15/10 7:48 AM, Jim wrote:
>Fc13 - 14 / KDE
>
> I have three users on this box
>
> root
> jim
> jan
>
> 'Jim' user directory is corrupted or virus in it.
Check the drive.  smartctl and the logs in /var will help.  Viruses are 
rare for Linux and would do more than just cause your system to freeze 
with one user.

> You can be clicking on different windows, apps and the the screen
> freezes and no matter what you click on , nothing happens,
> in seconds or minutes it unfreezes and you can get back to work.
Sounds like a hard drive problem where SMART is moving sectors or you 
ran out of physical memory and now the system is swapping around mightly 
(called thrashing) to get what you need to run the program in the 
foreground.

> But !! , the Mouse cursor  can be moved around the screen during freeze
> time.
>
Yes.  Mouse to screen usually works.  Nice feature.

Before you go through a lengthy process, take a look at what is 
happening with the hard drive.  If it is being accessed continuously 
during the freeze period, you might want to consider adding more 
physical memory, if possible.   Also, check your hard drive for errors 
(soft and hard) with smartctl.

BTW, what are you running when this happens?  Many large programs 
running at one time, may cause your system to run out of physical memory 
and start to use swap.  Clicking through several windows will actually 
make this worse rather than just waiting until the system 'comes back' 
to you.

Let us know what you find.

James McKenzie


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Re: Installing F14 Beta

[Bill Davidsen]

JD wrote:
>On 10/03/2010 04:46 AM, Craig White wrote:
>> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 20:42 -0700, JD wrote:
>>> That may be so!
>>> But it is not YOUR place to say to anyone
>>> if their post is out of place.
>>> Especially if the post IS about Fedora!
>> 
>> actually, it is my place to say to someone that their post is out off
>> topic and I get extra points for providing the URL for the list where it
>> is on topic.
>>
>> The question was not about any current Fedora release.
>>
>> I do have to admit that I am less bothered by your off topic postings
>> than I am by your unhelpful answers to people on things you know little
>> to nothing about but hey, that's just me. One of the reasons I have
>> remained on this list for so many years was the generally high quality
>> participants and answers and I find your participation often falls
>> short.
>>
>> Craig
> It is not your place at all.

It is our place to put you on a KILL list as a persistent off-topic poster and 
all around troll.

> Many people have been also replying to the thread
> "X won't start on F14 - I've run out of ideas!"

Yes, there are many new users who don't understand the principle of asking the 
question in the place where the people who know the answers might be found.

Technical questions are like fishing, if you don't go where the fish are you 
will not catch anything, even with dynamite.

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the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot

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Re: Corrupted or Virus in User Directory

[Genes MailLists]

On 10/15/2010 10:48 AM, Jim wrote:
>   Fc13 - 14 / KDE
> 
>

  Have you checked your (/var/)logs for disk errors ?
  May help to use smartctl to check/scan the drive.

  gene
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Re: [OT] To people with VoIP SIP Clients (twinkle, etc), friendly-scanner DOS attack

[Mike Wright]

Patrick Lists wrote:
> On 10/15/2010 12:56 AM, Rick Sewill wrote:
> [snip]
>>> Would you mind sharing which networks your attacks came from?
>>>
>> I hesitate to answer, but will.
>>
>> The people who own 67.222.1.124 and 184.106.213.202
>> were very cooperative and interested.
>>
>> The Chinese IP address was 218.14.146.200.
>> I could connect to 218.14.146.200 port 80 and saw,
>> what I thought, was a Chinese job website...I don't know Chinese.
>> I apologize if the website is not Chinese.
>>
>> The attack packets had a user agent name of friendly-scanner.
>>
>> I assumed it was a version of something found at
>> http://blog.sipvicious.org/
>>
>> I assume it was looking for an asterisk server.
>>
>> Unfortunately, my twinkle client decided to reply.
>> I tried looking for a twinkle configuration option to tell twinkle to
>> just ignore REGISTER requests, to no avail.
> 
> It seems to be sipvicious although headers can be forged. The site looks 
> Chinese to my untrained eyes too. I searched on the Twinkle website but 
> couldn't find a way to ignore register requests. I don't know if other 
> clients also respond to register requests so can't recommend any 
> alternatives.
> 

Bottom of the website says, in English, "China Telecom".

:m)
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Re: [389-users] Greedy PAM

[Daniel Maher]

On 10/15/2010 04:57 PM, Gerrard Geldenhuis wrote:

> Is there a way to dynamically have search basis when queries for certain data 
> is done.

Yes.

> How do you configure clients to be more selective when doing searches against 
> a ldap directory.

It depends entirely on the software doing the query.  Here's an example 
from one of my Apache HTTPd configs :

AuthLDAPURL 
"ldap:///ou=People,dc=franceix,dc=net?uid??(|(gidNumber=1)(gidNumber=11000))"


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RE: CUPS broken?

[Scott Ford]

I racked my brain until I finally found the commmon thread to the problem
why I couldn't print to my Windows owned printer. Then it dawned on me..its
was not CUPS it was Samba...I just wanted share my experience 


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-Original Message-
From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Konstam
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 9:22 AM
To: Community support for Fedora users
Subject: RE: CUPS broken?

On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 00:33 -0400, Scott Ford wrote:
> I had a similar problem it wasn't CUPS that was broken it was 
> Samba...YUM'ed the maintenance for Samba, and it resolved it I was 
> running FC12
> 
> Regards,
> Scott Ford
> Senior Systems Engineer

> Subject: Re: CUPS broken?
> 
>   On 10/14/2010 04:30 PM, Amadeus W.M. wrote:
> > Anybody else having problems printing with CUPS after the latest 
> > updates a few days back? Running F12. The printer seems to be fine 
> > but I get an print error dialog box when I print anything, including 
> > a test page. It was working flawlessly before.
> >
> >
> Have you re-started the cups daemon
> since the update?
> Else, simply restart the cups daemon:
> sudo service cups restart
> 
> See if that will fix it.
> 
That is an interesting suggestion. The OP never mentioned he was using samba
to print.

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[389-users] Greedy PAM

[Gerrard Geldenhuis]

Hi
Not strictly a 389 question but maybe 389 offers a solution.

I have a tree structure as follows:
dc=company
ou=people,dc=company
ou=groups,dc=company

On my client the I have the following searchbase in /etc/ldap.conf
dc=company

If I login as user gerrard and look at the network traffic then every possible 
user is send to the client. This is not a problem yet but would be a problem on 
a slow link or with lots of users.

Changing the base to ou=people,dc=company works in that the search results 
returned is way smaller, but breaks everything else because group membership is 
not in that base.

Is there a way to dynamically have search basis when queries for certain data 
is done. How do you configure clients to be more selective when doing searches 
against a ldap directory.

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Corrupted or Virus in User Directory

[Jim]

  Fc13 - 14 / KDE

I have three users on this box

root
jim
jan

'Jim' user directory is corrupted or virus in it.

You can be clicking on different windows, apps and the the screen 
freezes and no matter what you click on , nothing happens,
in seconds or minutes it unfreezes and you can get back to work.

But !! , the Mouse cursor  can be moved around the screen during freeze 
time.

The problem is definitely in the Jim user directory.

I can go into the root or jan home directories and work and the screen 
never freezes .

I also deleted the ,kde directory to see if that was the problem , but 
it did not help, it still freezes .

I ran 'top' and could not see anything hindering the CPU .

I replaced FC 13 with 14 to see if that would make any difference,  and 
had the same effect.

I guess I will have to Save the Users files and make a new Home for Jim.


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Re: Copy and paste in Terminal

[JD]

  On 10/15/2010 07:05 AM, Alex wrote:
> Hi,
>
>>> Okay, I can now say I really don't like using the middle wheel. It
>>> requires me to take my hands off the keyboard twice. I'd really like
>>> to be able to highlight the the mouse, and paste with a keyboard
>>> combination.
>>>
>> You seem to be mixing up the two methods of copying. You highlight with
>> the left mouse button and copy with the middle mouse button. NO keyboard
>> is involved,
> No, I understand it would have to involve using the two separate
> methods to do this. It just doesn't seem as natural or easy of a
> process to have to make sure the cursor is positioned exactly where
> the text should be pasted, rather than being able to copy the text,
> navigate the cursor to where I want the text (while using vi, for
> example), then paste (using shift-insert, for example).
>
> Hopefully you don't think I'm being a pain in the ass or pedantic.
>
> I think I became so used to using putty in Windows to a Linux box for
> so long, that I guess I forgot how it was I used to do it in Linux.
Actually, when you learned how to use windows, this was
all new to you. So you learned it and got used to it, and
now you do not want to give it up, or acclimate yourself
to using a whole new system and different ways of doing
things. You call that a PITA :) :)
Learn new trix while your mind is still limber :) before you
get so crystallized set in your ways, that you cannot possibly
learn new ways of doing things. My $.02's worth of advice.
>> And if you have a mouse with a wheel, because you want a mousewheel,
>> then you could use the left&  right buttons pressed together to act as
>> the middle button.
> Ah yes, forgot totally about that one. I'm having problems with the
> scroll wheel pasting without scrolling at the same time, but I'm not
> sure another mouse would fix this. How am I to know if the next one
> will have the same problem?
You can enable the emulation of the middle button
in xorg.conf, and paste by pressing left and right
buttons together. This way, there will be no scrolling.
HOWEVER: this will not work within the context of
every application. I just tried it in gnome-terminal.
Pressing the left and right together does not paste,
but opens a new terminal. I tried several times
to press them as simultaneously as humanly possible.
I kept getting a new terminal window.
> I also recall the scroll wheel actually scrolling through the screen
> history, not through the command history. Any idea why that might have
> happened? In other words, it provides the same functionality as an up
> arrow.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
It depends on where you positioned the cursor when you scrolled.
If the cursor is on the bar where your window icons are, then it will
scroll up and down the windows you have opened.

If you want the scroll wheel to scroll through command history in
a terminal window, you will need to somehow convince gnome-terminal
not to use the codes of the scroll wheel to scroll up and down the
saved lines buffer (both input and output lines) of gnome-terminal.
Also, you need to tell the shell what to use to scroll through command
history. I have not figured out how to do that (yet). Man page for bash
make no mention of how to associate the scroll wheel with scrolling
through command history.

Cheers,

JD

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Re: Copy and paste in Terminal

[Alex]

Hi,

>> Okay, I can now say I really don't like using the middle wheel. It
>> requires me to take my hands off the keyboard twice. I'd really like
>> to be able to highlight the the mouse, and paste with a keyboard
>> combination.
>>
> You seem to be mixing up the two methods of copying. You highlight with
> the left mouse button and copy with the middle mouse button. NO keyboard
> is involved,

No, I understand it would have to involve using the two separate
methods to do this. It just doesn't seem as natural or easy of a
process to have to make sure the cursor is positioned exactly where
the text should be pasted, rather than being able to copy the text,
navigate the cursor to where I want the text (while using vi, for
example), then paste (using shift-insert, for example).

Hopefully you don't think I'm being a pain in the ass or pedantic.

I think I became so used to using putty in Windows to a Linux box for
so long, that I guess I forgot how it was I used to do it in Linux.

> I copy between two screens all the time using the mouse button method.

Yes, I can do it using the context menu method, but that is a real PITA.

> And if you have a mouse with a wheel, because you want a mousewheel,
> then you could use the left & right buttons pressed together to act as
> the middle button.

Ah yes, forgot totally about that one. I'm having problems with the
scroll wheel pasting without scrolling at the same time, but I'm not
sure another mouse would fix this. How am I to know if the next one
will have the same problem?

I also recall the scroll wheel actually scrolling through the screen
history, not through the command history. Any idea why that might have
happened? In other words, it provides the same functionality as an up
arrow.

Thanks,
Alex
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random crashes Fedora13/Xscreensaver/Nvidia : how to debug?

[Jouk Jansen]

Hi all,

Since a few weeks my Fedora13 system crashes ans reboots at least once a day.
It always happens when I'm not there and xscreensaver is running hacks. The
machine is a HP-compaq8710 (Nvidia quadro graphics) laptop with an external
screen configured in twin-view mode. So xcreensaver displays 2 different
hacks at the same time. (other machines with different
hardware-configurattions run fine with the same software) 
When switching screen-saving off or only use it in blank-screen mode only,
I do not suffer from the crashes.

How can I fin out which hacks are running at the time of the crash, in order
to get some feeling for what is wrong on the machine.?


   Jouk
   


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RE: CUPS broken?

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 00:33 -0400, Scott Ford wrote:
> I had a similar problem it wasn't CUPS that was broken it was Samba...YUM'ed
> the maintenance for Samba, and it resolved it 
> I was running FC12
> 
> Regards,
> Scott Ford
> Senior Systems Engineer

> Subject: Re: CUPS broken?
> 
>   On 10/14/2010 04:30 PM, Amadeus W.M. wrote:
> > Anybody else having problems printing with CUPS after the latest 
> > updates a few days back? Running F12. The printer seems to be fine but 
> > I get an print error dialog box when I print anything, including a 
> > test page. It was working flawlessly before.
> >
> >
> Have you re-started the cups daemon
> since the update?
> Else, simply restart the cups daemon:
> sudo service cups restart
> 
> See if that will fix it.
> 
That is an interesting suggestion. The OP never mentioned he was using
samba to print.

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Re: Copy and paste in Terminal

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 23:03 -0400, Alex wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> >> I'll bite. How are the two processes different? As far as copying text
> >> they seem exactly the same.
> >
> > They use 2 different "buffers" to store the "copied" text.  They can be
> > used together if you so choose
> 
> Okay, I can now say I really don't like using the middle wheel. It
> requires me to take my hands off the keyboard twice. I'd really like
> to be able to highlight the the mouse, and paste with a keyboard
> combination.
> 
You seem to be mixing up the two methods of copying. You highlight with
the left mouse button and copy with the middle mouse button. NO keyboard
is involved, 

Unless you mean that to use the mouse you have to take one hand off the
keyboard.
> Anyway, I also now realize it doesn't work with screen -- I can't copy
> in one window and paste to another. The buffer must somehow get
> deleted, or perhaps there's a buffer for each screen window?
> 
> Thanks again,
> Alex
I copy between two screens all the time using the mouse button method.

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Re: Proprietary or open source NVidia drivers?

[Andrew Haley]

On 10/14/2010 12:57 PM, Tim wrote:
> Geoffrey Leach:
>>> H ... I think I understand your problem. However, unless you wish
>>> to have the wrath of the Open Source community descend upon your
>>> head,
> 
> Valent Turkovic:
>> What is "the wrath of the Open Source community" ? ;) Please define
>> this first so that I can decide if I want it or not.
> 
> Good question, I can imagine:  Zero assistance with resolving problems
> and outspoken scorn, for starters.
> 
> I've it with some attempts at making bug reports, which got an immediate
> response along the lines of:  Try again without the proprietary thingy.
> And if it works, after that, the solution is to stop using the
> proprietary thingy, get *them* to fix *that*, not for us to change our
> thingummy to suit.

Well, yeah, and quite right too.  We can't fix proprietary drivers and
we don't even know how they work.  We could spend our time debugging
the interaction between proprietary drivers and our code, while trying
to reverse-engineer the weird things the proprietary code may do.  Or,
we could work on our own code to make it good so that people don't
need the proprietary code any more.

Andrew.
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Re: Copy and paste in Terminal

[Tim]

On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 09:59 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> If you are having trouble with the scroll wheel get a mouse without a
> scroll wheel.

And if you have a mouse with a wheel, because you want a mousewheel,
then you could use the left & right buttons pressed together to act as
the middle button.

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OT:How to disable a built-in kernel module?

[Michael D. Setzer II]

I have a project in which I build most nic and disk modules into the kernel 
file 
so it will support hardware with any of the devices. In most cases this works 
just fine with the kernel only loading the correct ones. But rarely, it stops 
on a 
module that is not in the hardware. The latest one is the myri10ge module for 
one users. I have built a kernel for this user with this module disable, but 
would like to know if there is a kernel command line option to disable module. 
blacklist doesn't seem to work with built-in modules.

Thanks.

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Re: Monospace GStreamer plugin?

[Mohamed El Morabity]

Le jeudi 14 octobre 2010 à 22:50 -0700, Silent-Hunter a écrit :
> I miss the Monospace visualization. It used to be in Rhythmbox and 
> Totem Movie Player on Ubuntu and Mint. But I can't find it for Fedora. 
> Is there any way to get it?

Hi,

I suppose you mean "monoscope".

This visualization should be provided by gstreamer-plugins-good, but it
seems its build is disabled in the Fedora package (the
"--disable-monoscope" is given to ./configure when the package is
built).

You should ask the Fedora maintainer of gstreamer-plugins-good, through
Bugzilla, why monoscope is disabled in this case...



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