Re: [389-users] Request for feedback about strategy to migrating from old FDS to latest 389DS
On 12/01/2010 06:57 AM, Hugo Etievant wrote: hello, I am working on a migration of LDAP server from an old *Fedora-Directory/1.1.3* (B2008.269.213, OS : Fedora 8) to lastest *389-Directory/1.2.6.1* (B2010.272.2313, OS : CentOS 5.5). There is a migration script - migrate-ds-admin.pl (or just migrate-ds.pl if you don't care about console, admin server, etc.) My actual architecture use Multi Master Replication protocol (2 nodes) for data and configuration, Windows synchronization (with 1 Active Directory) and some password policies. For my data, i have 1 database (userRoot) with one suffix (dc=myOrg,dc=myTLD). List of possible strategies : - choice 1 (server level) : applying patches until geting the last version (i think it is not a good idea and my obsolete OS cannot be upgraded for external reasons, i will start from scratch on latest CentOS) ? - choice 2 (database level) : backuping up previous databases userRoot and netscapeRoot and restoring them into new installed architecture (but i think perhaps config database schema has changed between 1.1.3 and 1.2.6.1 server versions) ? - choice 3 (data level) : exporting data in LDIF file (without configuration and no assurance into operationals attributes export) and importing it in new installed architecture after configuring it ? my favorit LDAP tool (Apache Directory Studio) help me to export data with operationals attributes, this request : # baseObject : ou=myOrgUnit,dc=myOrg, dc=myTLD # filter : (objectClass=*) # attributes : * accountUnlockTime aci copiedFrom copyingFrom createTimestamp creatorsName dncomp entrydn entryid hasSubordinates ldapSchemas ldapSyntaxes modifiersName modifyTimestamp nsAccountLock nsAIMStatusGraphic nsAIMStatusText nsBackendSuffix nscpEntryDN nsds5ReplConflict nsICQStatusGraphic nsICQStatusText nsIdleTimeout nsLookThroughLimit nsRole nsRoleDN nsSchemaCSN nsSizeLimit nsTimeLimit nsUniqueId nsYIMStatusGraphic nsYIMStatusText numSubordinates parentid passwordAllowChangeTime passwordExpirationTime passwordExpWarned passwordGraceUserTime passwordHistory passwordRetryCount pwdExpirationWarned pwdGraceUserTime pwdHistory pwdpolicysubentry retryCountResetTime subschemaSubentry but i am not sure that no op attrs are missed... What can you advise me? regards -- *Hugo Étiévant * INRP/SCI hugo.etiev...@inrp.fr mailto:hugo.etiev...@inrp.fr -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: F14 pycurl update seems to have broken yum
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:09 AM, john wendel jwende...@comcast.net wrote: Yum update Tuesday morning, now yum is broken with pycurl error 6. Can't connect to any repos. Any clues on how to recover will be appreciated. The only update so far was pushed a long time ago at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/python-pycurl-7.19.0-7.fc14 If that is indeed the problem, you can look up the older version in http://koji.fedoraproject.org.Download that and run rpm --Uvh package --oldpackage would help downgrade it to the previous version which should fix the issue but since I nor anyone else I am aware of is running into this problem, I am curious to know why it broke for you. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Final release of RHEL 6
Hello does anyone know , what are the final release date for the RHEL 6 Warm Regards -- °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Jatin Khatri Registerd Linux user No #501175 www.counter.li.org No M$ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Final release of RHEL 6
* From: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 \(Santiago\) announcement mailing-list rhelv6-announce redhat com * To: rhelv6-announce redhat com * Subject: [rhelv6-announce] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 now available * Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:40:24 +0100 Red Hat is pleased to announce the world-wide availability of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6. This is a milestone event for Red Hat as we once again push forward and upward our leadership position in the market. Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 delivers dramatic improvements in reliability, security, performance, scalability and infrastructure flexibility. http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhelv6-announce/2010-November/msg0.html -- Laurentiu Coica -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Final release of RHEL 6
On Thursday 02 December 2010 06:20 PM, Laurentiu Coica wrote: * From: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 \(Santiago\) announcement mailing-listrhelv6-announce redhat com * To: rhelv6-announce redhat com * Subject: [rhelv6-announce] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 now available * Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:40:24 +0100 -snip- Thank You for the information may be it means Centos 6 will be released soon ... is it ? Warm Regards -- °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Jatin Khatri Registerd Linux user No #501175 www.counter.li.org No M$ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing Openshot video editor
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Claude Jones cjonesli...@tehogeeservices.com wrote: On Wednesday, December 01, 2010, Richard Shaw wrote: On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Zoltan Hoppar hopp...@gmail.com wrote: I wanted to say that too, and also the site gives me broken files. Yeah, the URL didn't look unique. I guess it's using cookies on my end. I'm still trying to figure out how it works. There's got to be a way to get a unique URL. Richard Thanks for doing the work - I had no problem downloading from the first site - it did pop some ads, but they were an annoyance, only; OpenShot is running well here on two machines I'm glad that worked for you. Let me know if you run into any bugs... I don't know if I can fix them but I can at least report them. It looks like I'll have to use the Spideroak application (at home) to get the unique URL as the web site doesn't have any options. I'll try to fix that tonight. I tried doing it remotely (X over ssh) but it's horrendously slow over my DSL. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Final release of RHEL 6
On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 18:33 +0530, Jatin K wrote: On Thursday 02 December 2010 06:20 PM, Laurentiu Coica wrote: * From: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 \(Santiago\) announcement mailing-listrhelv6-announce redhat com * To: rhelv6-announce redhat com * Subject: [rhelv6-announce] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 now available * Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:40:24 +0100 -snip- Thank You for the information may be it means Centos 6 will be released soon ... is it ? Jatin, That depends upon your definition of soon. After an RHEL major release it usually takes the CentOS folks about two months (give or take) to generate their corresponding major release. They have to replace all of the uniquely Red Hat artwork and any other copyrighted non-free intellectual property with their own, rebuild all of the affected packages, test the installation processes for *their* versions, and create all new distribution media. If I recall correctly, the release of CentOS 5 was held up while they worked through some unexpected last minute problems involving the x86_64 build and the sizes of the disc images. If I had to guess when CentOS 6 might be released, I'd say mid- to late-January 2011. Watch their web site at http://www.centos.org/. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Final release of RHEL 6
Am Donnerstag, den 02.12.2010, 18:33 +0530 schrieb Jatin K: may be it means Centos 6 will be released soon ... is it ? You can follow the latest updates at http://twitter.com/centos Regards, Christoph -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Yum strange behavior after upgrade to Release 14 [SOLVED]
On 12/01/2010 04:12 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: John Vo wrote: I'm a casual Fedora users. Help please. Run: # package-cleanup --cleandupes I ran : # yum distro-sync # package-cleanup --cleandupes Thank you all for your help. -John. -- Best Regards, John Vo Network Administrator Eagle Teleconferencing Services, Inc. j...@eagle.net Direct:+1.212.200.2005 Office:+1.212.200.2000 x 105 Mobile: +1.917.836.7692 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Final release of RHEL 6
On Thursday, December 02, 2010 09:28:55 am Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 18:33 +0530, Jatin K wrote: may be it means Centos 6 will be released soon ... is it ? If I had to guess when CentOS 6 might be released, I'd say mid- to late-January 2011. Watch their web site at http://www.centos.org/. Jatin, in addition to following what Doc said in that last paragraph, if you want to see the status of the CentOS development follow the CentOS mailing lists and IRC channels, as that's where most of the planning and discussion is happening. An alternative is the Scientific Linux distribution, which is intended for a different audience than CentOS, but built from the same upstream source RPMS. Disc size and integration look to once again be opportunities. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
bind
Does the version in koji (bind-9.7.2-1.P3) resolve : CVE-2010-3613 CVE-2010-3614 CVE-2010-3615 Which *seem* to only impact versions up to P2 - am I correct in thinking this version indeed resolves the above 3 issues ? Thanks ! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
yum and groupinstall
I have setup a local repository containing several .rpm files. I created a comps.xml file outlining the category and groups for the local repository. However, when I issue the yum grouplist command, I get the following error: *Failed to add groups file for repository: localRepo - comps file is empty/damaged* However, if I try to install one of the the packages in the repository, it works just fine. Here are the steps I took to create the repodata: The comps.xml and repository are stored in the directory: /var/www/html/myrepo/x86_64 cd /var/www/html/myrepo/x86_64 createrepo -g comps.xml . This created a /var/www/html/myrepo/x86_64/repodata directory which contains the comps.xml and comps.xml.gz file. Here is my comps.xml file: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? !DOCTYPE comps PUBLIC -//Red Hat, Inc.//DTD Comps info//EN comps.dtd comps group idNodeManager/id defaulttrue/default uservisibletrue/uservisible display_order1/display_order nameNode Manager/name descriptionThis group manages the node system resources and reports info back to the Service Manager./description packagelist packagereq type=defaultpxNodeManager-1.0-1/packagereq /packagelist /group category idCustomSoftware/id display_order1/display_order nameCustom Software /name descriptionCustom Software Suite /description grouplist groupidNodeManager/groupid /grouplist /category /comps -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 14, wireless keyboards and encryption
Am 02.12.2010 00:15, schrieb Chris Northwood: Thanks for the advice, but after manually recreating the initrd then the same still occurs. My wired keyboard is also USB, so I don't think it's that. I dug into it some more and checked dmesg - my keyboard/mouse aren't getting recognised until after LUKS. Apparently the module I'm interested in is hid_sunplus. I tried manually adding that to the initrd with Dracut using: dracut --force --add-drivers hid_sunplus initramfs-`uname -r`.img `uname -r` Which works! Now, I believe I have an issue where the next time there's a kernel update, this will be lost. So I guess the question is, how do I make sure this is included in future initramfs generations (or is this a bug in initramfs generation?) Thanks, Chris Northwood /etc/dracut.conf or /etc/dracut.conf.d/myconf.conf: add_drivers+= hid_sunplus I also fixed it upstream, thanks! http://dracut.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=dracut/dracut;a=commitdiff;h=3003cfdf9ef5f8d9c2305ea085fa69392c36c071 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Problems with USB drive in init 3 -- do I need autofs?
System is Fedora 12 in init 3 (non-gui) boot. I have a 1.5Tb USB drive. When I reboot, typically I have had to unplug and replug the drive or even power cycle the drive to get it found. Well with this morning's new kernel update, i rebooted and though the drive is showing in /media, none of its content is showing. ls /media/d4ae05a3-c60f-489d-8159-e16c9a271f0b/ Shows nothing. What to do? So I was HOPING that perhaps adding autofs would get this properly mounted so I can access all the data I have on the drive. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
pure number allowed as username in the useradd command?
Can somebody explain why pure numbers are allowed for username in the useradd command? sudo useradd 123456789 is not rejected! As is known, this leads to big problems if referring to such a user and the username differs from the userid: should such a username be interpreted as username or userid? Thanks for each comment. Kind regards -- Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Can't boot from live CD
USB optical drive, nothing interesting. F13-Live-XFCE-i386 boots fine F14-Live-XFCE-x86_64 complains that it can't find root -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: yum and groupinstall
On 12/02/2010 05:13 PM, Tom Murray wrote: I have setup a local repository containing several .rpm files. I created a comps.xml file outlining the category and groups for the local repository. However, when I issue the yum grouplist command, I get the following error: *Failed to add groups file for repository: localRepo - comps file is empty/damaged* However, if I try to install one of the the packages in the repository, it works just fine. Here are the steps I took to create the repodata: The comps.xml and repository are stored in the directory: /var/www/html/myrepo/x86_64 cd /var/www/html/myrepo/x86_64 createrepo -g comps.xml . This created a /var/www/html/myrepo/x86_64/repodata directory which contains the comps.xml and comps.xml.gz file. Tom, The createrepo manpage says: Note that the groups file should be in the same directory as the rpm packages (i.e. /path/to/rpms/comps.xml). Is comps.xml(.gz) in the proper location? you seem to suggest that it is located in repodata/ which does not seem to be the correct place. Regards, Patrick -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: bind
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: Does the version in koji (bind-9.7.2-1.P3) resolve : CVE-2010-3613 CVE-2010-3614 CVE-2010-3615 Which *seem* to only impact versions up to P2 - am I correct in thinking this version indeed resolves the above 3 issues ? Thanks ! Useful question - I would like to know too if at all possible -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: bind
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:17 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: Does the version in koji (bind-9.7.2-1.P3) resolve : CVE-2010-3613 CVE-2010-3614 CVE-2010-3615 Which *seem* to only impact versions up to P2 - am I correct in thinking this version indeed resolves the above 3 issues ? Thanks ! Useful question - I would like to know too if at all possible Ahh - I see it is in testing! https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/bind-9.7.2-4.P3.fc14 -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: pure number allowed as username in the useradd command?
On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 18:10 +0100, Joachim Backes wrote: Can somebody explain why pure numbers are allowed for username in the useradd command? sudo useradd 123456789 is not rejected! As is known, this leads to big problems if referring to such a user and the username differs from the userid: should such a username be interpreted as username or userid? Thanks for each comment. Kind regards As you said using a pure number for userid can be diasterous But you question needs to be answered by the creator of useradd. I once created a useradd program with added functionality and I know from first hand experience that are many pitfalls to get it to work properly. Consider what happens if you have a userid that is the same number as a userid. -- === meetings, n.: A place where minutes are kept and hours are lost. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't boot from live CD
On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 11:25 -0800, Konstantin Svist wrote: USB optical drive, nothing interesting. F13-Live-XFCE-i386 boots fine F14-Live-XFCE-x86_64 complains that it can't find root That happened to me with the F14-gnome Live CD, until I cleaned the CD with a little alcohol. The CD had previosly worked. -- === Who loves not wisely but too well Will look on Helen's face in hell, But he whose love is thin and wise Will view John Knox in Paradise. -- Dorothy Parker === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't boot from live CD
On 12/02/2010 01:05 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 11:25 -0800, Konstantin Svist wrote: USB optical drive, nothing interesting. F13-Live-XFCE-i386 boots fine F14-Live-XFCE-x86_64 complains that it can't find root That happened to me with the F14-gnome Live CD, until I cleaned the CD with a little alcohol. The CD had previosly worked. This is a brand new burned CD. I guess it wouldn't hurt to check the sha256 hash... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Final release of RHEL 6
On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:50:34 +0200 Laurentiu Coica laurentiu.co...@gmail.com wrote: Red Hat is pleased to announce the world-wide availability of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6. I'm a Fedora user but I would like to congratulate Red Hat on this release. I hope it is successful, very successful. I do this out of self interest. No, not because I own stock in Red Hat, though I have considered it. But because of the success of Red Hat Enterprise, I get to use a modern OS like Fedora for nothing. Well, beyond helping out a little here and there, some troubleshooting, and reporting bugs. Pretty amazing, when I think about it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F14 pycurl update seems to have broken yum
On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 18:39:25 -0800 john wendel jwende...@comcast.net wrote: Yum update Tuesday morning, now yum is broken with pycurl error 6. Can't connect to any repos. Any clues on how to recover will be appreciated. Thanks, John From man curl this is the error condition you are experiencing. 6 Couldn't resolve host. The given remote host was not resolved. I found one reference to someone solving this by the following, though it might have nothing to do with your problem. https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=threadtopic_id=27667forum=41post_id=113747 Found it... believe it or not but Fedora requires the FQDN (hostname.domain) in my .repo config file for this to work. CentOS does not. Go figure. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Build custom Xen Kernel
On 11/29/2010 04:22 PM, Kostas Sfakiotakis wrote: Greetings , I have a Fedora 14 64 bit installation running on a machine with a dual core AMD 64 bit at 3,00 GHz cpu , 2 GB of RAM and a lot of hard disk space ( the Fedora installation resides on a 1,5 TB hard disk drive ) . I have succesfully installed and run a virtual machine running Windows XP Professional under QEMU but now i wanted to do it with Xen . I have google for it and it seems that the first thing am missing is a Xen kernel . Since am quite new on this thing i was wondering if there is somewhere a step by step guide with instructions on how to install and run a virtual machine under Xen instead of QEMU . Just my opinion, but try VirtualBox. It installs nicely in Fedora 14. The latest version is 3.2.12. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Build custom Xen Kernel
On 12/02/2010 11:47 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: On 11/29/2010 04:22 PM, Kostas Sfakiotakis wrote: Greetings , I have a Fedora 14 64 bit installation running on a machine with a dual core AMD 64 bit at 3,00 GHz cpu , 2 GB of RAM and a lot of hard disk space ( the Fedora installation resides on a 1,5 TB hard disk drive ) . I have succesfully installed and run a virtual machine running Windows XP Professional under QEMU but now i wanted to do it with Xen . I have google for it and it seems that the first thing am missing is a Xen kernel . Since am quite new on this thing i was wondering if there is somewhere a step by step guide with instructions on how to install and run a virtual machine under Xen instead of QEMU . Just my opinion, but try VirtualBox. It installs nicely in Fedora 14. The latest version is 3.2.12. Do you by any means mean this one : http://www.virtualbox.org/ You said that it installs nicely , well am currently downloading the rpm and i will certainly give it a try but have you already tried it and how did it performed , i mean apart from a nice install when u actually tried to install a guest operating system how was it ? Any special remarks that should be considered ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
looking for arping or equivalent tool
Arping was a useful tool that was discontinued during the RHEL5 lifecycle and I have not been able to find an installable equivalent for Fedora 14 due to glibc dependencies. Does anyone know of a tool that can broadcast an ARP announcement saying this IP should resolve to this MAC” and let you specify both -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: looking for arping or equivalent tool
Claude Jones writes: Arping was a useful tool that was discontinued during the RHEL5 lifecycle and I have not been able to find an installable equivalent for Fedora 14 due to glibc dependencies. Does anyone know of a tool that can broadcast an ARP announcement saying this IP should resolve to this MAC” and let you specify both Fedora 14 includes arping. Package iputils-20100418-3.fc14.i686 provides /sbin/arping and creates /usr/sbin/arping as a symlink to it. -- Dick St. Peters, stpet...@netheaven.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: pure number allowed as username in the useradd command?
On 12/02/2010 07:42 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Thursday 02 December 2010 21:02:17 Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 18:10 +0100, Joachim Backes wrote: Can somebody explain why pure numbers are allowed for username in the useradd command? sudo useradd 123456789 is not rejected! As is known, this leads to big problems if referring to such a user and the username differs from the userid: should such a username be interpreted as username or userid? Can you be specific - what big problems are these ? Never tried, but it is by means obvious that this would be problematic. So I guess 12345 should be a valid username as any other, and useradd correctly allows for creation of such usernames. No bug there. Agreed - without knowing what the problems are it is hard to say that useradd (or anything else) should disallow numerical id's .. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
capi4linux service
Dear fellow fedora users, I have several machines running Fedora 14 and I get the message: Starting capi4linux: udev-work[46X]: kernel-provided name 'capi' and NAME= 'api20' disagree, please use SYMLINK+= or change the kernel to provide the proper name Does this service do anything special or important on the computer that is is really needed? I am deliberating whether to # service capi4linux stop # chkconfig capi4linux off and not see it again? I see machine freezing randomly too, Don't know what to blame, nouveau, capi4linux, or other thing? Machine froze several times since Fedora 10, but then had not froze, but now it does and screen just changes color. Is there something I can do, NO I won't check the memory, been there and done that. Memory tests report fine :) Thanks for advice/suggestions/ and other answers are greatly appreciated. Regards, Antonio P.S. will give smoltProfile if needed to determine if that could be what is wrong? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F14: how do I remove IcedTea plugin from FIreFox?
I have an applet that will not work with IcedTea. This applet is a remote console applet spawned by the HP iLO web interface and is critical for my work. With F13, I was able to successfully install the Oracle jre and soft link the correct plugin. Recently, I upgraded to F14. Of course, the Open jre with IcedTea came with F14, so I yum erase the jre and rpm -ivh the Oracle jre, just as I did in F13, an soft linked to the correct plugin thus: # ln -sf /usr/java/latest/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ... which is what I did in F13. However, I have actually removed everything from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and from my /home/user/.mozilla/plugins directories, and I am still seeing plugins in FireFox, most annoyingly, this one. File: IcedTeaPlugin.so Version: The IcedTea NPR Web Browser Plugin (using IcedTea6 1.8 (fedora-41.b18.fc13-i386)) executes Java applets. Appreciate any and all help ... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sound doesn't work after upgrade from F13 to F14.
Terry Letsche wrote: Hi. I had a working F13 system on my Aspire Laptop. I upgraded to F14 off the DVD. If I boot up and use a F13 kernel, everything is fine. If I boot with the F14 kernel, no sound. Strange. I had an upgrade set MUTE on the mixer, but the other kernel wouldn't change that. Running the alsamixer shows as if sound is there (the levels jump around), but no sound comes out the speakers. I have checked the alsa mixer to make sure everything is turned up, and stored the settings (alsoctl store 0). My alsa setup is at http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=80...1fd871a78cefd9 This is on an Aspire 7736Z-4088 running kernel Linux hortlette 2.6.35.6-48.fc14.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Oct 22 15:36:08 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux lspci reports: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) Slot: 00:1b.0 Class: Audio device Vendor: Intel Corporation Device: 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller SVendor: Acer Incorporated [ALI] SDevice: Device 0296 Rev: 03 lsmod|grep snd shows: snd_hda_codec_intelhdmi 9993 1 snd_hda_codec_realtek 298211 1 snd_hda_intel 24399 4 snd_hda_codec 86743 3 snd_hda_codec_intelhdmi,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_ hda_intel snd_hwdep 6392 1 snd_hda_codec snd_seq 53791 0 snd_seq_device 6191 1 snd_seq snd_pcm 80190 3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 19892 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd 63968 16 snd_hda_codec_intelhdmi,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_ hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_seq,snd_seq_ device,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 6576 1 snd snd_page_alloc 7559 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm Any ideas? I'm flummoxed. Like I said, booting into an F13 kernel and everything works fine! Thanks for any suggestions. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
freezing machine smolt profile
http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_c986f9a2-3c1f-47c5-a58f-72cfa19bcc87 capi4linux service, started machine with acpi=off because it freezes :( Welcome to Fedora Starting udev: [ OK ] Setting hostname emachines-el1200-01e: [ OK ] Setting up Logical Volume Management: 3 logical volume(s) in volume group vg_emachinesel120001e now active [ OK ] Checking filesystems /dev/mapper/vg_emachinesel120001e-lv_root: clean, 336161/3276800 files, 2613456/13107200 blocks /dev/sda1: recovering journal /dev/sda1: clean, 40/128016 files, 65151/512000 blocks /dev/mapper/vg_emachinesel120001e-lv_home: recovering journal /dev/mapper/vg_emachinesel120001e-lv_home: clean, 33194/6348800 files, 1024046/25378816 blocks [ OK ] Remounting root filesystem in read-write mode: [ OK ] Mounting local filesystems:[ OK ] Enabling local filesystem quotas: [ OK ] Enabling /etc/fstab swaps: [ OK ] Entering non-interactive startup Starting monitoring for VG vg_emachinesel120001e: 3 logical volume(s) in volume group vg_emachinesel120001e monitored [ OK ] ip6tables: Applying firewall rules:[ OK ] iptables: Applying firewall rules: [ OK ] Starting capi4linux: udevd-work[463]: kernel-provided name 'capi' and NAME= 'capi20' disagree, please use SYMLINK+= or change the kernel to provide the proper name [ OK ] Starting auditd: [ OK ] Starting portreserve: [ OK ] Starting system logger:[ OK ] Enabling ondemand cpu frequency scaling: [ OK ] Starting irqbalance: [ OK ] Starting rpcbind: [ OK ] Starting mdmonitor:[ OK ] Starting system message bus: [ OK ] Setting network parameters... [ OK ] Starting NetworkManager daemon:[ OK ] Starting Avahi daemon... [ OK ] Starting NFS statd:[ OK ] Starting RPC idmapd: [ OK ] Starting cups: [ OK ] Starting acpi daemon: RTNETLINK1 answers: No such file or directory acpid: error talking to the kernel via netlink [ OK ] Starting HAL daemon: [ OK ] Retrigger failed udev events [ OK ] Starting PC/SC smart card daemon (pcscd): [ OK ] Enabling Bluetooth devices: Starting sshd: [ OK ] Starting sendmail: [ OK ] Starting sm-client:[ OK ] Starting abrt daemon: [ OK ] Starting console mouse services: [ OK ] Starting crond:[ OK ] Starting atd: [ OK ] Registering binary handler for Windows applications: [ OK ] Thanks for advice, on this or other thread : ) Regards, Antonio [oliva...@emachines-el1200-01e ~]$ uname -r 2.6.35.6-48.fc14.x86_64 [oliva...@emachines-el1200-01e ~]$ cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora release 14 (Laughlin) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F14: how do I remove IcedTea plugin from FIreFox?
On 12/02/2010 05:27 PM, Tony Camuso wrote: F14, so I yum erase the jre and rpm -ivh the Oracle jre, just as I did yum doesn't like it when you run rpm directly, use yum localinstall instead. However, I have actually removed everything from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and from my /home/user/.mozilla/plugins directories, and I am still seeing plugins in FireFox, most annoyingly, this one. File: IcedTeaPlugin.so Version: The IcedTea NPR Web Browser Plugin (using IcedTea6 1.8 (fedora-41.b18.fc13-i386)) executes Java applets. Appreciate any and all help ... How about Firefox-Tools-Add-ons-Plugins-IcedTea- Disable ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: capi4linux service
On 12/03/2010 09:26 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: Dear fellow fedora users, I have several machines running Fedora 14 and I get the message: Starting capi4linux: udev-work[46X]: kernel-provided name 'capi' and NAME= 'api20' disagree, please use SYMLINK+= or change the kernel to provide the proper name Does this service do anything special or important on the computer that is is really needed? I am deliberating whether to # service capi4linux stop # chkconfig capi4linux off and not see it again? This is for ISDN. If you don't have isdn you don't need it. yum remove isdn4k-utils Also, check to see if you have callweaver-capi installed and remove that as well. -- 42 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Final release of RHEL 6
stan wrote: On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:50:34 +0200 Laurentiu Coicalaurentiu.co...@gmail.com wrote: Red Hat is pleased to announce the world-wide availability of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6. I'm a Fedora user but I would like to congratulate Red Hat on this release. I hope it is successful, very successful. I do this out of self interest. No, not because I own stock in Red Hat, though I have considered it. But because of the success of Red Hat Enterprise, I get to use a modern OS like Fedora for nothing. Well, beyond helping out a little here and there, some troubleshooting, and reporting bugs. Pretty amazing, when I think about it. I'm hoping to use it for servers, don't need the latest, just the security upgrades. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: looking for arping or equivalent tool
On Thursday, December 02, 2010, Dick St. Peters wrote: Claude Jones writes: Arping was a useful tool that was discontinued during the RHEL5 lifecycle and I have not been able to find an installable equivalent for Fedora 14 due to glibc dependencies. Does anyone know of a tool that can broadcast an ARP announcement saying this IP should resolve to this MAC” and let you specify both Fedora 14 includes arping. Package iputils-20100418-3.fc14.i686 provides /sbin/arping and creates /usr/sbin/arping as a symlink to it. good news - thank you! -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: flash.exe files
On 11/30/10 7:50 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Tuesday 30 November 2010 22:31:46 Hiisi wrote: Well, if I have wine installed (and my system is opened for windoze viruses) what should I use to open that flash.exe file? Firefox and flash-player for windoze? Just open a terminal, type wine flash.exe and see what happens. :-) If it is a standalone program it should just run. Btw, I don't think your system is open for Windows viruses just by installing wine. Typically wine has trouble running even legitimate programs made for Windows (since it still doesn't translate *all* features of Windows OS into Linux environment), let alone viruses which deliberately have dirty code and use quirks, bugs and holes of the Windows OS. Typically wine cannot emulate those bugs and holes so effectively as the original Windows :-) , so AFAIK viruses would typically fail to run under wine. Of course, YMMV. Also, you would need to be stupid enough to type wine my-favorite-virus.exe in the terminal to actually run the thing, I doubt it would run as automatically as in Windows... ;-) Then again, I might be wrong, I'm no expert on wine, just an occasional user. Google Wine Virus and see what you get back. Remember, Wine is designed to be run as a normal user and what you can reach, it can too. However, work is ongoing to continuously improve Wine. James McKenzie -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F14 pycurl update seems to have broken yum [NOT BROKEN - USER STUPID]
On 12/02/2010 01:45 PM, stan wrote: On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 18:39:25 -0800 john wendeljwende...@comcast.net wrote: Yum update Tuesday morning, now yum is broken with pycurl error 6. Can't connect to any repos. Any clues on how to recover will be appreciated. Thanks, John From man curl this is the error condition you are experiencing. 6 Couldn't resolve host. The given remote host was not resolved. I found one reference to someone solving this by the following, though it might have nothing to do with your problem. https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=threadtopic_id=27667forum=41post_id=113747 Found it... believe it or not but Fedora requires the FQDN (hostname.domain) in my .repo config file for this to work. CentOS does not. Go figure. Thanks for the reply. Looks like there was a problem with the mirror server. Update this morning went OK. Regards, John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: capi4linux service
On 12/03/2010 02:26 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: Dear fellow fedora users, I have several machines running Fedora 14 and I get the message: Starting capi4linux: udev-work[46X]: kernel-provided name 'capi' and NAME= 'api20' disagree, please use SYMLINK+= or change the kernel to provide the proper name That looks like a typo in the udev rules. I think it should read NAME='capi20'. Does this service do anything special or important on the computer that is is really needed? Afaik it's an ISDN related service. I am deliberating whether to # service capi4linux stop # chkconfig capi4linux off and not see it again? That idea should work. I see machine freezing randomly too, Don't know what to blame, nouveau, capi4linux, or other thing? Machine froze several times since Fedora 10, but then had not froze, but now it does and screen just changes color. Is there something I can do, No idea. Just turn off everything you don't need, try a different kernel, check log files etc. Regards, Patrick -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Final release of RHEL 6
On Thursday 02 December 2010 08:22 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 02.12.2010, 18:33 +0530 schrieb Jatin K: may be it means Centos 6 will be released soon ... is it ? You can follow the latest updates at http://twitter.com/centos Regards, Christoph Thank You For your suggestion Warm Regards T.c. -- °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Jatin Khatri Registerd Linux user No #501175 www.counter.li.org No M$ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
X server crashed in FC14
Dear List, I unistalled the Firefox-3.6.12 on FC14 and keep only the Opera. I also unistalled the evolution which I never run it. Just after that process, the X server crashed. The screen suddenly became dark. Pressing CTRL+ALT+F2 was able to show the console which I could re-login. Now I can not run X server anymore. If I reboot the box, it does not show login window. it stops somewhere just before run level 3. Only after pressing CTRL+ALT+F2 can bring the console up. I noticed that some commands of the gnome was missing from the /usr/bin, also some gnome modules missing from the /usr/lib/. I tried to copy those from another FC14 box but this did not fix the problem. Of course I can re-install FC14 again but I am sure that is not the only way of fixing it. Any kind of suggestion will be highly appreciated. Regards, AA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: pure number allowed as username in the useradd command?
On 12/03/2010 02:04 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 12/02/2010 07:42 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Thursday 02 December 2010 21:02:17 Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 18:10 +0100, Joachim Backes wrote: Can somebody explain why pure numbers are allowed for username in the useradd command? sudo useradd 123456789 is not rejected! As is known, this leads to big problems if referring to such a user and the username differs from the userid: should such a username be interpreted as username or userid? Can you be specific - what big problems are these ? Never tried, but it is by means obvious that this would be problematic. See chown: allows username and userid as new owner. So if a numerical userid is the same as a username (having another userid), which user is meant? The user with this username, or the user with this userid? So I guess 12345 should be a valid username as any other, and useradd correctly allows for creation of such usernames. No bug there. Agreed - without knowing what the problems are it is hard to say that useradd (or anything else) should disallow numerical id's .. -- Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't boot from live CD
On 12/02/2010 01:15 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote: On 12/02/2010 01:05 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 11:25 -0800, Konstantin Svist wrote: USB optical drive, nothing interesting. F13-Live-XFCE-i386 boots fine F14-Live-XFCE-x86_64 complains that it can't find root That happened to me with the F14-gnome Live CD, until I cleaned the CD with a little alcohol. The CD had previosly worked. This is a brand new burned CD. I guess it wouldn't hurt to check the sha256 hash... Turned out it WAS a bad burn after all. Hash didn't match - burned a new one - works just fine Thanks! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: pure number allowed as username in the useradd command?
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: On 12/02/2010 07:42 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Thursday 02 December 2010 21:02:17 Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 18:10 +0100, Joachim Backes wrote: Can somebody explain why pure numbers are allowed for username in the useradd command? sudo useradd 123456789 is not rejected! As is known, this leads to big problems if referring to such a user and the username differs from the userid: should such a username be interpreted as username or userid? Can you be specific - what big problems are these ? Never tried, but it is by means obvious that this would be problematic. So I guess 12345 should be a valid username as any other, and useradd correctly allows for creation of such usernames. No bug there. Agreed - without knowing what the problems are it is hard to say that useradd (or anything else) should disallow numerical id's .. In Solaris, there are restrictions on the username. It has to start with a letter, cannot start with a hyphen, and cannot contain a colon. (There may be more restrictions; these are the ones that I remember.) I've always assumed that Linux had the same restrictions but man 5 passwd on my F14 box yields nothing so I've just googled and the only restriction that http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pages/man5/passwd.5.html sets is It should not contain capital letters. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F14: how do I remove IcedTea plugin from FIreFox?
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Konstantin Svist fry@gmail.com wrote: However, I have actually removed everything from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and from my /home/user/.mozilla/plugins directories, and I am still seeing plugins in FireFox, most annoyingly, this one. File: IcedTeaPlugin.so Version: The IcedTea NPR Web Browser Plugin (using IcedTea6 1.8 (fedora-41.b18.fc13-i386)) executes Java applets. Appreciate any and all help ... How about Firefox-Tools-Add-ons-Plugins-IcedTea- Disable ? If you have indeed removed the files from your system that is very odd. It should not be there. Have you tried locateIcedTeaPlugin.so ? Maybe its picking it up from some other non-standard path. Also a dumb question, did you restart firefox after you made these changes? -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F14: how do I remove IcedTea plugin from FIreFox?
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:25 AM, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: locateIcedTeaPlugin.so Should be locate IcedTeaPlugin.so -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
