Re: SOLVED Re: 2560x1600 display issue. (x11?, nvidia 8800 GTS, hdmi, dvi-d, Dell U3011)

2011-04-08 Thread Nataraj 
On 04/08/2011 11:40 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 23:09 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: 
>> On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 22:17 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
>>> Any and all advice on how to proceed from here, ie exactly what to put
>>> in the xorg.conf file to tell the driver to ignore EDID and probings
>>> and
>>> use a modeline directly, will be appreciated. 
>> I just found this in the log file.
>>
>> 26.275] (WW) NOUVEAU(0): Option "UseEDID" is not used
> I switched back to the nvidia driver and got this.
>
>   24.634] (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "UseEDID" "False"
> [24.635] (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration
> [24.635] (**) NVIDIA(0): Ignoring EDIDs
> [24.635] (II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and
> Composite X extensions is
> [24.635] (II) NVIDIA(0): enabled.
> [26.072] (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Not probing EDID on DFP-0.
> [26.073] (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Not probing EDID on DFP-1.
> [26.080] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 8800M GTS (G92) at
> PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)
> [26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 524288 kBytes
> [26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 62.92.23.00.17
> [26.080] (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 16X
> [26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are supported on
> this GPU
> [26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce
> 8800M GTS at PCI:1:0:0
> [26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-0
> [26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-1
> [26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-0: 330.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
> [26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-0: Internal Dual Link LVDS
> [26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-1: 165.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
> [26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-1: Internal Single Link TMDS
>
> The good news is that UseEDID "False" is working.
>
> The bad news is that DFP-1 is the HDMI port.   So the video card channel
> that feeds it is only rated for 165MHz output, which isn't enough to
> drive the U3011 at 2560x1600.  Ironically, HP uses 330 MHz of bandwidth
> to drive the internal display, which is only 1680x1050.
>
> BUT WAIT.   This laptop will drive 2 displays if I turn off the internal
> display.  Surely the HDMI port would get the 330 MHz dlock then ?  Long
> story short, it doesn't.   The dual link port stays assigned to the
> internal display panel and the HDMI port gets the single link port.
>
> Even though Nvidia advertises some G8800s to have dual dual link
> interfaces.
>
> "Two dual-link DVI outputs for digital flat panel display resolutions up
> to 2560x1600"
>
> "Dual Dual-link DVI Support:
> Able to drive the industry's largest and highest resolution flat-panel
> displays up to 2560x1600. Available on select GeForce 8800 and 8600
> GPUs." 
>
> http://www.nvidia.com/page/8800_features.html
>
> In summary, there is no external port on the HDX9494 with a pixel rate
> high enough to properly drive the U3011.  Unless one can redirect DFP-0
> to the HDMI port, there is no way to fix this problem.
>
> Is there a way to reassign the internal video card port to the HDMI
> port ?
>
> The other interesting thing is that HP lists the pixel rate for
> 1920x1200 as 193.5 MHz in the U3011 manual, which is greater than the
> supposed 165 MHz clock limit on DFP-1 and it appears to drive it just
> fine. 
>
> >From the U3011 manual:
> VESA, 1920 x 1200   74.6   60.0   193.5   -/+
>
>
>
>
You can't do 2560x1600 using the HDMI interface on the U3011.  Only the
DVI (using dual DVI cable) and displayport interface will go up to that
resolution.  The HDMI interface only goes up to 1920x1200. You could try
adapters, but only a small number of them actually work.   The following
is from the U3011 users Manual:


Setting the display resolution to 2048 x 1280 (VGA input source) /
2560 x 1600 (DVI/DisplayPort^(TM) input sources) / 1920 x 1200 (HDMI
input source)(Optimal)

For maximum display performance with Microsoft^® Windows^® operating
systems, set the display resolution to 2048 x 1280 (VGA input source) /
2560 x 1600 (DVI/Display

Port input sources) / 1920 x 1200 (HDMI input source) pixels by
performing the following steps:


Nataraj

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SOLVED Re: 2560x1600 display issue. (x11?, nvidia 8800 GTS, hdmi, dvi-d, Dell U3011)

2011-04-08 Thread Linuxguy123 
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 23:09 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: 
> On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 22:17 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > Any and all advice on how to proceed from here, ie exactly what to put
> > in the xorg.conf file to tell the driver to ignore EDID and probings
> > and
> > use a modeline directly, will be appreciated. 
> 
> I just found this in the log file.
> 
> 26.275] (WW) NOUVEAU(0): Option "UseEDID" is not used

I switched back to the nvidia driver and got this.

  24.634] (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "UseEDID" "False"
[24.635] (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration
[24.635] (**) NVIDIA(0): Ignoring EDIDs
[24.635] (II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and
Composite X extensions is
[24.635] (II) NVIDIA(0): enabled.
[26.072] (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Not probing EDID on DFP-0.
[26.073] (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Not probing EDID on DFP-1.
[26.080] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 8800M GTS (G92) at
PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)
[26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 524288 kBytes
[26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 62.92.23.00.17
[26.080] (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 16X
[26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are supported on
this GPU
[26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce
8800M GTS at PCI:1:0:0
[26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-0
[26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-1
[26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-0: 330.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
[26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-0: Internal Dual Link LVDS
[26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-1: 165.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
[26.080] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-1: Internal Single Link TMDS

The good news is that UseEDID "False" is working.

The bad news is that DFP-1 is the HDMI port.   So the video card channel
that feeds it is only rated for 165MHz output, which isn't enough to
drive the U3011 at 2560x1600.  Ironically, HP uses 330 MHz of bandwidth
to drive the internal display, which is only 1680x1050.

BUT WAIT.   This laptop will drive 2 displays if I turn off the internal
display.  Surely the HDMI port would get the 330 MHz dlock then ?  Long
story short, it doesn't.   The dual link port stays assigned to the
internal display panel and the HDMI port gets the single link port.

Even though Nvidia advertises some G8800s to have dual dual link
interfaces.

"Two dual-link DVI outputs for digital flat panel display resolutions up
to 2560x1600"

"Dual Dual-link DVI Support:
Able to drive the industry's largest and highest resolution flat-panel
displays up to 2560x1600. Available on select GeForce 8800 and 8600
GPUs." 

http://www.nvidia.com/page/8800_features.html

In summary, there is no external port on the HDX9494 with a pixel rate
high enough to properly drive the U3011.  Unless one can redirect DFP-0
to the HDMI port, there is no way to fix this problem.

Is there a way to reassign the internal video card port to the HDMI
port ?

The other interesting thing is that HP lists the pixel rate for
1920x1200 as 193.5 MHz in the U3011 manual, which is greater than the
supposed 165 MHz clock limit on DFP-1 and it appears to drive it just
fine. 

>From the U3011 manual:
VESA, 1920 x 1200   74.6   60.0   193.5   -/+




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Re: 2560x1600 display issue. (x11?, nvidia 8800 GTS, hdmi, dvi-d, Dell U3011)

2011-04-08 Thread Linuxguy123 
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 22:17 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> Any and all advice on how to proceed from here, ie exactly what to put
> in the xorg.conf file to tell the driver to ignore EDID and probings
> and
> use a modeline directly, will be appreciated. 

I just found this in the log file.

26.275] (WW) NOUVEAU(0): Option "UseEDID" is not used


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Re: 2560x1600 display issue. (x11?, nvidia 8800 GTS, hdmi, dvi-d, Dell U3011)

2011-04-08 Thread Nataraj 
On 04/08/2011 09:17 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 21:59 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
>> I'll connect to the DVI port and rerun it.
I have had similar difficulty getting a Dell U3011 to run at 2560x1600
on a MacMini with an Nvidia GeForce 320M.  Using the displayport
interface on both the 320M and the U3011, the best I can get is
1920x1440.   I did play with the xorg.conf file quite extensively, but
didn't do any better trying to specify modelines.  I am using the Nvidia
driver.

I also had difficulty trying to get a second monitor to work.  The
second monitor is a Dell U2410.  I can get either monitor to work fine
alone, but when I try to start the xserver with 2 monitors connected,
the second monitor can't sync.  The second monitor (U2410) is connected
to the HDMI port.

Nataraj


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Re: How to use rpm to install adobe-flash?

2011-04-08 Thread Kevin Fenzi 
On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 10:03:42 +0530
Varuna Seneviratna  wrote:

> Hello Kevin
>  When I execute as root I am not in the Downloads directory
> and the command "cd Downloads" produces the output  "-bash: cd:
> Downloads: No such file or directory"
> 
> How can I use the file in the Downloads directory or go to Downloads
> when logged in as root?

You want the Downloads directory for your user, not for root, so: 

cd ~yourusername/Downloads

the ~ there means home directory of, and of course you need to replace
'yourusername' with whatever you login is. 

Kind of dated, but still a lot of good information about the command
line is available in RUTE: http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz

kevin


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Re: How to use rpm to install adobe-flash?

2011-04-08 Thread Varuna Seneviratna 
Hello Kevin
 When I execute as root I am not in the Downloads directory
and the command "cd Downloads" produces the output  "-bash: cd:
Downloads: No such file or directory"

How can I use the file in the Downloads directory or go to Downloads
when logged in as root?



On 9 April 2011 09:54, Kevin J. Cummings  wrote:
> On 04/09/2011 12:21 AM, Varuna Seneviratna wrote:
>> When executed the command
>>
>> rpm -i adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm
>> The feedback is, Eerror: can't create transaction lock on
>> /var/lib/rpm/.rpm.lock (Permission denied)
>>
>>
>> What is the Solution and what is meant by?
>> can't create transaction lock
>>
>> How to Overcome this?
>
> You have to execute as root, not as a regular user.
>
> Either become root (su -) or use sudo
>
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Re: How to use rpm to install adobe-flash?

2011-04-08 Thread Kevin Fenzi 
On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 09:51:53 +0530
Varuna Seneviratna  wrote:

> When executed the command
> 
> rpm -i adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm
> The feedback is, Eerror: can't create transaction lock on
> /var/lib/rpm/.rpm.lock (Permission denied)
> 
> 
> What is the Solution and what is meant by?
> can't create transaction lock
> 
> How to Overcome this?

You need to be root (superuser) to install packages. ;) 
(ie, use the 'su' command first)

Also, see: 

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash

for step by step instructions. 

kevin


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Re: How to use rpm to install adobe-flash?

2011-04-08 Thread Kevin J. Cummings 
On 04/09/2011 12:21 AM, Varuna Seneviratna wrote:
> When executed the command
> 
> rpm -i adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm
> The feedback is, Eerror: can't create transaction lock on
> /var/lib/rpm/.rpm.lock (Permission denied)
> 
> 
> What is the Solution and what is meant by?
> can't create transaction lock
> 
> How to Overcome this?

You have to execute as root, not as a regular user.

Either become root (su -) or use sudo

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Re: buut paramerers for seeing the verbose boot process

2011-04-08 Thread JD 
On 04/08/2011 09:04 PM, g wrote:
> On 04/09/2011 01:04 AM, JD wrote:
>> On 04/08/2011 05:39 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> <>
>>> Do you have a VGA= on your kernel line?
>> No. Here is the entry in grub.conf
>> title Fedora (2.6.38.2.fc14.i686)
>>   root (hd0,1)
>>   kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38.2.fc14.i686 ro root=/dev/sda2
>> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
>>   initrd /boot/initramfs-2.6.38.2.fc14.i686.img
> "vga=" does not have to be on kernel line.
>
> "vga=", as well as "rhgb" and "quiet" can be in "global" section.
> that is, lines which precede the kernel selections.
>
> ie;
>
> +++
> # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file
> # NOTICE:  You have a /boot partition.  This means that
> #  all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg.
> #  root (hd1,8)
> #  kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/sdb8
> #  initrd /initrd-version.img
>
> ## [global lines]
> #boot=/dev/sda
> default=0
> timeout=10
> ## splashimage=(hd1,8)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> ## hiddenmenu
> ## rhgb
> ## quiet
> vga=794
> acpi=force
> nodmraid
>
> ## [kernel selections]
> 
> title Scientific Linux 5.4 (2.6.18-238.5.1.el5) sdb10
>  root (hd1,9)
>  kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-238.5.1.el5 ro root=LABEL=/12 \
>devfs=nomount resume=/dev/hdb2
>  initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18-238.5.1.el5.img
> ###
> title Scientific Linux 5.5 (2.6.18-238.5.1.el5) sda1
>  root (hd0,0)
>  kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-238.5.1.el5 ro root=LABEL=/ \
>devfs=nomount resume=/dev/hda2
>  initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18-238.5.1.el5.img
> ###
> title Fedora 12 (2.6.32.23-170.fc12.i686) sdb8
>  root (hd1,7)
>  kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.32.23-170.fc12.i686 ro root=/dev/sdb8 \
>SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 KEYTABLE=us
>  initrd /initramfs-2.6.32.23-170.fc12.i686.img
> +++
>
I do not have those either. To wit:
# grub.conf generated by anaconda
#
# Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file
# NOTICE:  You do not have a /boot partition.  This means that
#  all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /, eg.
#  root (hd0,1)
#  kernel /boot/vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/sda2
#  initrd /boot/initrd-version.img
boot=/dev/sda
timeout=60
splashimage=(hd0,1)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
hiddenmenu
default=0

title Fedora (2.6.38.2.fc14.i686)
...

etc

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How to use rpm to install adobe-flash?

2011-04-08 Thread Varuna Seneviratna 
When executed the command

rpm -i adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm
The feedback is, Eerror: can't create transaction lock on
/var/lib/rpm/.rpm.lock (Permission denied)


What is the Solution and what is meant by?
can't create transaction lock

How to Overcome this?
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Re: 2560x1600 display issue. (x11?, nvidia 8800 GTS, hdmi, dvi-d, Dell U3011)

2011-04-08 Thread Linuxguy123 
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 21:59 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> I'll connect to the DVI port and rerun it.

Here is the snippet when connected to the DVI port with the dual link
adapter.   The highest resolution found is 1600x1200, which is what I
attain.

I am confused about what is obtained by probing and what is obtained
from EDID data.

Nevertheless, there is no 2560x1600 mode appearing.

Is this a bug in the Dell EDID data ?  The nvidia-setting application
had the option to open an EDID file, which I did not pursue.

Any and all advice on how to proceed from here, ie exactly what to put
in the xorg.conf file to tell the driver to ignore EDID and probings and
use a modeline directly, will be appreciated.

Kudos to the nouveau people for putting this much information in the log
file. 

Thanks !

BTW, PixClock max 285 MHz is quite a bit less than the maximum pixel
rate for HDMI 1.3, which is probably what the card in the HDX puts out.


[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID for output HDMI-1
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Manufacturer: DEL  Model: 4063  Serial#:
808595788
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Year: 2011  Week: 10
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID Version: 1.3
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Digital Display Input
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 64  vert.: 40
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Gamma: 2.20
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb
4:4:4 
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): redX: 0.678 redY: 0.309   greenX: 0.210
greenY: 0.692
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): blueX: 0.146 blueY: 0.055   whiteX: 0.313
whiteY: 0.329
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported established timings:
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 720x400@70Hz
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 640x480@60Hz
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 640x480@75Hz
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 800x600@60Hz
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 800x600@75Hz
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 1024x768@60Hz
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 1024x768@75Hz
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 1280x1024@75Hz
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported standard timings:
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #0: hsize: 1152  vsize 864  refresh: 75
vid: 20337
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #1: hsize: 1280  vsize 800  refresh: 60
vid: 129
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #2: hsize: 1280  vsize 1024  refresh: 60
vid: 32897
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #3: hsize: 1600  vsize 1200  refresh: 60
vid: 16553
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #4: hsize: 1920  vsize 1200  refresh: 60
vid: 209
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #5: hsize: 1920  vsize 1440  refresh: 60
vid: 16593
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported detailed timing:
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): clock: 268.5 MHz   Image Size:  641 x 401
mm
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): h_active: 2560  h_sync: 2608  h_sync_end
2640 h_blank_end 2720 h_border: 0
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): v_active: 1600  v_sync: 1603  v_sync_end
1609 v_blanking: 1646 v_border: 0
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Serial No: PH5NY13A021L
[  8616.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Monitor name: DELL U3011
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Ranges: V min: 49 V max: 86 Hz, H min: 29
H max: 113 kHz, PixClock max 285 MHz
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID (in hex):
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0):   000010ac63404c313230
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0):   0a15010380402878ea8d85ad4f35b125
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0):   0e5054a54b00714f81008180a940d100
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0):   d14001010101e26800a0a0402e603020
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0):   36008191211a00ff00504835
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0):   4e593133413032314c0a00fc0044
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0):   454c4c2055333031310a202000fd
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0):   0031561d711c000a20202020202000ca
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Printing probed modes for output HDMI-1
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline "1600x1200"x60.0  162.00  1600
1664 1856 2160  1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync (75.0 kHz)
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x75.0  135.00  1280
1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz)
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x60.0  108.00  1280
1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz)
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline "1280x800"x59.8   83.50  1280
1352 1480 1680  800 803 809 831 +hsync -vsync (49.7 kHz)
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline "1152x864"x75.0  108.00  1152
1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline "1024x768"x75.1   78.80  1024
1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.1 kHz)
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0   65.00  1024
1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz)
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline "800x600"x75.0   49.50  800 816
896 1056  600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz)
[  8616.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline "800x6

Re: buut paramerers for seeing the verbose boot process

2011-04-08 Thread g 
On 04/09/2011 01:04 AM, JD wrote:
> On 04/08/2011 05:39 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
<>
>> Do you have a VGA= on your kernel line?
> No. Here is the entry in grub.conf
> title Fedora (2.6.38.2.fc14.i686)
>  root (hd0,1)
>  kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38.2.fc14.i686 ro root=/dev/sda2 
> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
>  initrd /boot/initramfs-2.6.38.2.fc14.i686.img

"vga=" does not have to be on kernel line.

"vga=", as well as "rhgb" and "quiet" can be in "global" section.
that is, lines which precede the kernel selections.

ie;

+++
# Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file
# NOTICE:  You have a /boot partition.  This means that
#  all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg.
#  root (hd1,8)
#  kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/sdb8
#  initrd /initrd-version.img

## [global lines]
#boot=/dev/sda
default=0
timeout=10
## splashimage=(hd1,8)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
## hiddenmenu
## rhgb
## quiet
vga=794
acpi=force
nodmraid

## [kernel selections]

title Scientific Linux 5.4 (2.6.18-238.5.1.el5) sdb10
root (hd1,9)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-238.5.1.el5 ro root=LABEL=/12 \
  devfs=nomount resume=/dev/hdb2
initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18-238.5.1.el5.img
###
title Scientific Linux 5.5 (2.6.18-238.5.1.el5) sda1
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-238.5.1.el5 ro root=LABEL=/ \
  devfs=nomount resume=/dev/hda2
initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18-238.5.1.el5.img
###
title Fedora 12 (2.6.32.23-170.fc12.i686) sdb8
root (hd1,7)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.32.23-170.fc12.i686 ro root=/dev/sdb8 \
  SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 KEYTABLE=us
initrd /initramfs-2.6.32.23-170.fc12.i686.img
+++

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Re: 2560x1600 display issue. (x11?, nvidia 8800 GTS, hdmi, dvi-d, Dell U3011)

2011-04-08 Thread Linuxguy123 
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 23:32 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> On 04/08/2011 11:05 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:

> > Does the nouveau driver use the xorg.conf file the way the proprietary
> > driver does, ie does it use modelines ?
> 
> For the answer to this question, look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file,
> and follow the messages of the nouveau driver as it initializes itself
> and determines modes and resolutions.  Its very informative.  If it is
> excluding the resolutions you want, you'll at least know *why* it is
> doing that.

Its really interesting that you said that because it prodded me to look
at the output for nouveau and I found its very verbose in this regard.
Much better than the nvidia driver.  

Here is a pertinent snippet.  None of the EDID info goes past 1920x1200,
which is the maximum resolution that I am attaining.  This was run with
the monitor connected to the HDMI port, which Dell says has a limit
of... 1920x1200.

I'll connect to the DVI port and rerun it.


[  2146.000] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID for output HDMI-1
[  2146.000] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Manufacturer: DEL  Model: 4064  Serial#:
808595788
[  2146.000] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Year: 2011  Week: 10
[  2146.000] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID Version: 1.3
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Digital Display Input
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 64  vert.: 40
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Gamma: 2.20
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb
4:4:4 
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): redX: 0.678 redY: 0.309   greenX: 0.210
greenY: 0.692
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): blueX: 0.146 blueY: 0.055   whiteX: 0.313
whiteY: 0.329
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported established timings:
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 720x400@70Hz
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 640x480@60Hz
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 640x480@75Hz
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 800x600@60Hz
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 800x600@75Hz
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 1024x768@60Hz
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 1024x768@75Hz
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 1280x1024@75Hz
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported standard timings:
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #0: hsize: 1152  vsize 864  refresh: 75
vid: 20337
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #1: hsize: 1280  vsize 800  refresh: 60
vid: 129
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #2: hsize: 1280  vsize 1024  refresh: 60
vid: 32897
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #3: hsize: 1920  vsize 1200  refresh: 60
vid: 209
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #4: hsize: 1600  vsize 1200  refresh: 60
vid: 16553
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported detailed timing:
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): clock: 154.0 MHz   Image Size:  641 x 401
mm
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): h_active: 1920  h_sync: 1968  h_sync_end
2000 h_blank_end 2080 h_border: 0
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): v_active: 1200  v_sync: 1203  v_sync_end
1209 v_blanking: 1235 v_border: 0
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Serial No: PH5NY13A021L
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Monitor name: DELL U3011
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Ranges: V min: 49 V max: 86 Hz, H min: 29
H max: 94 kHz, PixClock max 185 MHz
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported detailed timing:
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): clock: 148.5 MHz   Image Size:  641 x 401
mm
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): h_active: 1920  h_sync: 2008  h_sync_end
2052 h_blank_end 2200 h_border: 0
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): v_active: 1080  v_sync: 1084  v_sync_end
1089 v_blanking: 1125 v_border: 0
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported detailed timing:
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): clock: 74.2 MHz   Image Size:  641 x 401
mm
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): h_active: 1920  h_sync: 2008  h_sync_end
2052 h_blank_end 2200 h_border: 0
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): v_active: 540  v_sync: 542  v_sync_end 547
v_blanking: 562 v_border: 0
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported detailed timing:
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): clock: 74.2 MHz   Image Size:  641 x 401
mm
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): h_active: 1280  h_sync: 1390  h_sync_end
1430 h_blank_end 1650 h_border: 0
[  2146.001] (II) NOUVEAU(0): v_active: 720  v_sync: 725  v_sync_end 730
v_blanking: 750 v_border: 0
[  2146.002] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported detailed timing:
[  2146.002] (II) NOUVEAU(0): clock: 27.0 MHz   Image Size:  641 x 401
mm
[  2146.002] (II) NOUVEAU(0): h_active: 720  h_sync: 736  h_sync_end 798
h_blank_end 858 h_border: 0
[  2146.002] (II) NOUVEAU(0): v_active: 480  v_sync: 489  v_sync_end 495
v_blanking: 525 v_border: 0
[  2146.002] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Number of EDID sections to follow: 1
[  2146.002] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID (in hex):
[  2146.002] (II) NOUVEAU(0):   000010ac64404c313230
[  2146.002] (II) NOUVEAU(0):   0a15010380402878ea8d85ad4f35b125
[  2146.002] (II) NOUVEAU(0):   0e5054a54b00714f81008180d100a940
[  2146.002] (II) NOUVEAU(0):   010101010101283c80a070b023403020
[  2146.002] (

Re: 2560x1600 display issue. (x11?, nvidia 8800 GTS, hdmi, dvi-d, Dell U3011)

2011-04-08 Thread Linuxguy123 
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 20:18 -0700, JD wrote:
> On 04/08/2011 08:14 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 21:05:36 -0600,
> >Linuxguy123  wrote:
> >> Does the nouveau driver use the xorg.conf file the way the proprietary
> >> driver does, ie does it use modelines ?
> > I use modelines for a monitor that doesn't do EDID (at least not properly)
> > with an NV28 in order to get it to use 1280 x 1024 instead if 1024 x 768.
> Some time ago I had a slightly similar problem,
> but I had no idea how to generate the correct
> modelines, and because I was afraid I would fry
> the monitor :), I did not experiment.

http://www.arachnoid.com/modelines/ give me

# 2560x1600 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 99.36 kHz; pclk: 348.16 MHz
Modeline "2560x1600_60.00" 348.16 2560 2752 3032 3504 1600 1601 1604
1656 -HSync +Vsync

which doesn't agree with the number from the table in the U3011 manual

VESA, 2560 x 1600 98.71 60.0 268.5 +Hsync / -Vsync

I'll try it out as soon as I hear if the nouveau driver is using
modeline in xorg.conf or not.

Aside.  I'm using the KDE display tool in Settings-System-Settings.  It
doesn't display as much information as nividia-settings, but it does
some things (monitor rotation, etc.) better.

What is interesting to me is that I get a different horizontal
resolution (1600 versus 1920) when I use the DVI adapter.  That tells me
the video card is trying to do something different.  Is the driver
supposed to sync up the card to the monitor in the absense of correct
modelines ?

BTW: I thought the 20 inch display on my HDX was high quality.   The
U3011 (running 1920x1600 in 1:1 display mode) blows it away.  Its almost
too sharp and bright.   But that can be adjusted.  The HDX display looks
like trash now.  Dull, faded and fuzzy.

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Re: 2560x1600 display issue. (x11?, nvidia 8800 GTS, hdmi, dvi-d, Dell U3011)

2011-04-08 Thread Linuxguy123 
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 20:18 -0700, JD wrote:
> On 04/08/2011 08:14 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 21:05:36 -0600,
> >
> Some time ago I had a slightly similar problem,
> but I had no idea how to generate the correct
> modelines, and because I was afraid I would fry
> the monitor :), I did not experiment.

I played around with this tool.
http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl

Not sure if its current or not.  When I plug in the numbers from the
U3011 user guide, it spits out settings for 2560x1440 instead of
2560x1600.   

Makes me wonder if the nvidia and nouveau drivers have a software
limitation of some sort, thus my question of is this a software or a
hardware issue.




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Re: 2560x1600 display issue. (x11?, nvidia 8800 GTS, hdmi, dvi-d, Dell U3011)

2011-04-08 Thread Kevin J. Cummings 
On 04/08/2011 11:05 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:

> Does the nouveau driver use the xorg.conf file the way the proprietary
> driver does, ie does it use modelines ?

For the answer to this question, look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file,
and follow the messages of the nouveau driver as it initializes itself
and determines modes and resolutions.  Its very informative.  If it is
excluding the resolutions you want, you'll at least know *why* it is
doing that.

> Thanks !

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Re: buut paramerers for seeing the verbose boot process

2011-04-08 Thread Kevin J. Cummings 
On 04/08/2011 11:03 PM, JD wrote:
>> Try and see if you can find a file in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
>>
>> It is your X11 log file and should contain *much* information that could
>> be useful in debugging your problem
>>
> I checked. There is no clue there as far as something going wrong
> or failing.

Then its time to bugzilla your problem and get the ati driver folks
involved



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Re: 2560x1600 display issue. (x11?, nvidia 8800 GTS, hdmi, dvi-d, Dell U3011)

2011-04-08 Thread JD 
On 04/08/2011 08:14 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 21:05:36 -0600,
>Linuxguy123  wrote:
>> Does the nouveau driver use the xorg.conf file the way the proprietary
>> driver does, ie does it use modelines ?
> I use modelines for a monitor that doesn't do EDID (at least not properly)
> with an NV28 in order to get it to use 1280 x 1024 instead if 1024 x 768.
Some time ago I had a slightly similar problem,
but I had no idea how to generate the correct
modelines, and because I was afraid I would fry
the monitor :), I did not experiment.


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Re: 2560x1600 display issue. (x11?, nvidia 8800 GTS, hdmi, dvi-d, Dell U3011)

2011-04-08 Thread Bruno Wolff III 
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 21:05:36 -0600,
  Linuxguy123  wrote:
> 
> Does the nouveau driver use the xorg.conf file the way the proprietary
> driver does, ie does it use modelines ?

I use modelines for a monitor that doesn't do EDID (at least not properly)
with an NV28 in order to get it to use 1280 x 1024 instead if 1024 x 768.
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Re: Fan control with nouveau controller ?

2011-04-08 Thread Linuxguy123 
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 22:16 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Linuxguy123 writes:
> 
> > On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 19:46 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > > I'm running a fully up to date F14 installation on my laptop.
> > >
> > > For various reasons today I uninstalled the nvidia driver and installed
> > > the nouveau driver.   My laptop has a GeForce 8800 GTS video card.
> > >
> > > Everything works but I can hear the video fan running constantly which
> > > is annoying and wasteful of the battery.
> > >
> > > How do I get the video fan under control ?
> >
> > For whatever reason, my video fan just throttled down.   Something
> > to do with the first run ?
> 
> Are you certain that you're hearing the GPU fan, and not the CPU fan?

I'm pretty sure its the GPU fan.   I know what the CPU fan is like
because I've heard it since I got it.  I installed the nouveau driver
today and for the first time I heard the GPU fan by itself.
Furthermore, not only does it sound different, it comes from a different
part of the laptop.  Interesting experience.


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2560x1600 display issue. (x11?, nvidia 8800 GTS, hdmi, dvi-d, Dell U3011)

2011-04-08 Thread Linuxguy123 
I received the Dell U3011 monitor today, which has a native display
resolution of 2560x1600.

I have an HP HDX9494 with an Nvidia Geforce 8800 GTS video card in it
that I am using to drive it.

The user manual for the U3011 is here
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/MONITORS/U3011/en/ug/about.htm

The specs for the HDX9494 is here
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01490775&tmp_task=prodinfoCategory&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&os=2100&product=3747924&sw_lang=

Info on the Geforce 8800 GTS is here
http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_8800.html
http://www.nvidia.com/page/8800_tech_specs.html

The problem is that I can't get the laptop to HDX9494 to drive the U3011
at 2560x1600.

The U3011 has several inputs, HDMI, DisplayPort, DVI (Dual link) and
VGA.

According to the manual, the "highest preset resolution" of the monitor
when using the HDMI input is 1920x1600 @ 60 Hz.  The "highest preset
resolution" is 2560x1600 for DVI and DisplayPort inputs.

The HDX laptop does not have a DVI or DisplayPort output.  It does have
an HDMI port.

According to the GF8800 documentation, it has two dual link DVI ports
that support 2560x1600.

The HDMI wiki tells me that HDMI 1.3 should support 1560x1600@ 24 bits
at 75Hz.  HDMI 1.3 was released in 2006 and the HDX was built in 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI

When I connect the HDX to the U3011 HDMI port using a High Speed HDMI
cable, the maximum resolution I am able to select from the configuration
software is 1920 x 1200.

When I connect the HDX to the U3011 DVI port using a High Speed HDMI
cable and a dual link HDMI to DVI adapter, the maximum resolution I am
able to select from the configuration software is 1600 x 1200 

I have tried this with both the proprietary nvidia driver and the
nouveau driver.

I have tried manually editing the xorg.conf file with various modelines
to no avail.

When I run the nvidia-setting software and look at the properties of the
display, it shows a dual link connection for the built in 1680x1050
display and a single link connection for the HDMI device.

How do I get my HDX to drive the U3011 at 2560x1600 ?

Is this a hardware problem or a software problem ?

Does the nouveau driver use the xorg.conf file the way the proprietary
driver does, ie does it use modelines ?

Thanks !



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Re: buut paramerers for seeing the verbose boot process

2011-04-08 Thread JD 
On 04/08/2011 07:53 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> On 04/08/2011 09:04 PM, JD wrote:
>> On 04/08/2011 05:39 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
>>> On 04/08/2011 04:23 PM, JD wrote:
 On 04/08/2011 12:29 AM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
 I looked! I have not rhgb and no quiet.
>>> OK, then you have a different problem then.
>>>
 What happens is at boot, there is a fast scroll
 of text and suddenly, the screen appears as if it got powered off,
 but it also behaves that way when switching from bios text mode
 to graphics mode. It stays blank  (black) for about 2.5 or more minutes
 and then the Gnome login menu pops up.
 I never get to see the output of the boot process,
 so I can see what passed and what failed.
>>> Sounds to me like it may be a video related problem with the card
>>> switching modes during boot up.  Do you have a VGA= on your kernel line?
>> No. Here is the entry in grub.conf
>> title Fedora (2.6.38.2.fc14.i686)
>>   root (hd0,1)
>>   kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38.2.fc14.i686 ro root=/dev/sda2
>> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
>>   initrd /boot/initramfs-2.6.38.2.fc14.i686.img
>>
>>> You might try putting a "nomodeset" and see what it does, but that
>>> option is becoming deprecated as the kernel support for various video
>>> cards improves.
>> I used to have nomodeset. But that had the effect of slowing
>> down switching from one workspace to the next a lot -
>> like it would 2.5 to 3 seconds for the switch-to  workspace
>> would display all it's contents. So, an OP advised me to remove
>> it, and that indeed fixed that problem. So, not sure I would
>> want to get back to that "slowdown" - but I will try it just
>> to test.
> I was only suggesting it as a way for you to see the messages.  I was
> hoping we could try and figure out what was happening when it mode
> switches and the screen disappears
>
>> It is  the Radeon Mobility 9600 M10.
>> I assume that the F14 Xserver driver is picked
>> automatically. There is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> OK, that should be using the stock "ati" driver.  I'm using the same
> driver for my Mobility Radeon X1600 without the problems you are seeing.
>
> Try and see if you can find a file in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
>
> It is your X11 log file and should contain *much* information that could
> be useful in debugging your problem
>
I checked. There is no clue there as far as something going wrong
or failing.

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Re: F14: Power Manager: No "On Battery" tab

2011-04-08 Thread Kevin J. Cummings 
On 04/08/2011 10:49 PM, sean darcy wrote:
> Well /proc/acpi/battery exists. Not BAT0, there is BAT1, but:
> ls  /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/
> alarm  info  state
> 
> cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/*
> present: no
> present: no
> present: no

That's a bad sign.  Does your laptop "optionally" support a 2nd battery?
If so, that would be BAT1, which shows as not present.  The question is
where is the BAT0 stuff for your primary battery

> It's a Toshiba Satellite L655 laptop. The battery works. But if I unplug 
> the power, but the applet icon continues to show just the plug.

Not good, the system can't tell when you are plugged into the mains or
on battery.  It always thinks you are on the mains, and there for never
gives you the battery stuff.  You need to figure out why not.

> And dmesg shows the kernel can't find the battery:
> 
> [0.909451] ACPI: Power Button [PWRF]
> [0.910476] ACPI: acpi_idle yielding to intel_idle
> [0.914884] ERST: Table is not found!
> [0.914990] ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (battery absent)

That looks like a 2nd battery to me (the primary battery should be
BAT0).  I'm still wondering where the first battery is.

> The kernel boot parameters are from the install:
> 
>  kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.35.11-83.fc14.x86_64 ro 
> root=UUID=7e1a1084-2795-4511-8d33-0e589af7b6a8 rd_NO_LUKS rd_NO_LVM 
> rd_NO_MD rd_NO_DM LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 KEYTABLE=us

Nothing related to ACPI or APM.

> Puzzled.

Indeed.  I'd bugzilla it and get the Gnome Power Management maintainer
involved and see what s/he says about it.

I filled out a bugzilla about changing battery sizes while plugged into
the mains, and we came to the conclusion that the Linux ACPI stuff
doesn't rescan the new battery correctly (wrt battery capacity, it kinda
misses the fact that the capacity has changed and things get funky from
there).  Doesn't say they'll find out what wrong, but it helps having
the code maintainers telling us what really is going on

> sean

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Re: buut paramerers for seeing the verbose boot process

2011-04-08 Thread Kevin J. Cummings 
On 04/08/2011 09:04 PM, JD wrote:
> On 04/08/2011 05:39 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
>> On 04/08/2011 04:23 PM, JD wrote:
>>> On 04/08/2011 12:29 AM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
>>> I looked! I have not rhgb and no quiet.
>> OK, then you have a different problem then.
>>
>>> What happens is at boot, there is a fast scroll
>>> of text and suddenly, the screen appears as if it got powered off,
>>> but it also behaves that way when switching from bios text mode
>>> to graphics mode. It stays blank  (black) for about 2.5 or more minutes
>>> and then the Gnome login menu pops up.
>>> I never get to see the output of the boot process,
>>> so I can see what passed and what failed.
>> Sounds to me like it may be a video related problem with the card
>> switching modes during boot up.  Do you have a VGA= on your kernel line?
> No. Here is the entry in grub.conf
> title Fedora (2.6.38.2.fc14.i686)
>  root (hd0,1)
>  kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38.2.fc14.i686 ro root=/dev/sda2 
> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
>  initrd /boot/initramfs-2.6.38.2.fc14.i686.img
> 
>> You might try putting a "nomodeset" and see what it does, but that
>> option is becoming deprecated as the kernel support for various video
>> cards improves.
> I used to have nomodeset. But that had the effect of slowing
> down switching from one workspace to the next a lot -
> like it would 2.5 to 3 seconds for the switch-to  workspace
> would display all it's contents. So, an OP advised me to remove
> it, and that indeed fixed that problem. So, not sure I would
> want to get back to that "slowdown" - but I will try it just
> to test.

I was only suggesting it as a way for you to see the messages.  I was
hoping we could try and figure out what was happening when it mode
switches and the screen disappears

> It is  the Radeon Mobility 9600 M10.
> I assume that the F14 Xserver driver is picked
> automatically. There is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf

OK, that should be using the stock "ati" driver.  I'm using the same
driver for my Mobility Radeon X1600 without the problems you are seeing.

Try and see if you can find a file in /var/log/Xorg.0.log

It is your X11 log file and should contain *much* information that could
be useful in debugging your problem

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Re: Fan control with nouveau controller ?

2011-04-08 Thread Bruno Wolff III 
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 19:46:07 -0600,
  Linuxguy123  wrote:
> I'm running a fully up to date F14 installation on my laptop. 
> 
> For various reasons today I uninstalled the nvidia driver and installed
> the nouveau driver.   My laptop has a GeForce 8800 GTS video card.
> 
> Everything works but I can hear the video fan running constantly which
> is annoying and wasteful of the battery.
> 
> How do I get the video fan under control ?

I belive the current answer is you don't. The project wiki page says at
best this is a work in progress, depending on the card you own. The Nouveau
wiki pages sometimes lag a bit especially for Fedora where Ben gets stuff
in pretty early in the development release, but it is good indication of
the current support state.
http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/PowerManagement
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Re: F14: Power Manager: No "On Battery" tab

2011-04-08 Thread sean darcy 
On 04/07/2011 10:49 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> On 04/07/2011 07:42 PM, sean darcy wrote:
>> With an updated F14 on a laptop, System ->  Preferences>  Power Manager
>> comes up with only "On AC Power" and "General". I can see from help
>> there should be a Battery tab. But not here.
>
> What is selected in the Notification Area of the General tab?
>
> You're not booting with "noacpi" are you?  I'm not sure how well the
> older APM? stuff works with Gnome.
>
> Can you look and see if there is an:  /proc/acpi/battery directory?
> Does it contain (at least) a BAT0 directory?  And in there, you should
> find files:  alarm  info  state
>
> If so, try looking at those 3 files.  You should be able to see
> information about your laptop battery.
>
> Do you have a power-management applet running in one of your panels?
> If so, does it show just a power cord, a battery and a power cord, or
> just a battery?  Does your laptop run without the power cord plugged in?
> If so, does the applet icon change when you change the power cord state?
>
>> gnome-power-manager-2.32.0-3.fc14.x86_64
>>
>> How do I get the Battery tab?
>
> ???  It should work if the system detects/recognizes the battery
>
>> sean
>

Well /proc/acpi/battery exists. Not BAT0, there is BAT1, but:
ls  /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/
alarm  info  state

cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/*
present: no
present: no
present: no

It's a Toshiba Satellite L655 laptop. The battery works. But if I unplug 
the power, but the applet icon continues to show just the plug.

And dmesg shows the kernel can't find the battery:

[0.909451] ACPI: Power Button [PWRF]
[0.910476] ACPI: acpi_idle yielding to intel_idle
[0.914884] ERST: Table is not found!
[0.914990] ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (battery absent)

The kernel boot parameters are from the install:

 kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.35.11-83.fc14.x86_64 ro 
root=UUID=7e1a1084-2795-4511-8d33-0e589af7b6a8 rd_NO_LUKS rd_NO_LVM 
rd_NO_MD rd_NO_DM LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 KEYTABLE=us

Puzzled.

sean

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Re: Ctrl-Alt-F2 does not work

2011-04-08 Thread JD 
On 04/08/2011 04:50 PM, JD wrote:
> On 04/08/2011 03:41 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 6:38 PM, JD  wrote:
>>> with fc14, have not been able to to switch
>>> to the text console by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F2
>>> or F3 ...etc, even after latest updates,
>>>
>>> What is the config file that controls that behavior??
>> Check with ps whether the gettys are running.
>>
>> The files that set them up and launch them are
>> "/etc/init/start-ttys.conf" and "/etc/init/tty.conf".
>
Strange as it may seem: I restored nomodeset back into the boot params 
in grub.conf.
Now, Crl-Alt-F[2345...] work as before.
Also, earlier, an OP had suggested I remove the nomodeset, because I was 
experiencing
great delays in workspace switching. Well, removing nomodeset did fix 
that problem
but introduced the problem with Ctrl-AltF[123456...]  functionality.
This time around, re-introducing nomodeset fixed (or restored) 3 
functionalities
I wanted:
1. I can see all the boot activity all the way to when gnome starts.
2. Ctrl-Alt-F... works
3. Workspace switch is now snappy again.

I think this sort of ill explained bhavior of the desktop tells me that
no one really know what's causing what, and why (i.e. no details).

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Re: Fan control with nouveau controller ?

2011-04-08 Thread Sam Varshavchik 

Linuxguy123 writes:


On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 19:46 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> I'm running a fully up to date F14 installation on my laptop.
>
> For various reasons today I uninstalled the nvidia driver and installed
> the nouveau driver.   My laptop has a GeForce 8800 GTS video card.
>
> Everything works but I can hear the video fan running constantly which
> is annoying and wasteful of the battery.
>
> How do I get the video fan under control ?

For whatever reason, my video fan just throttled down.   Something
to do with the first run ?


Are you certain that you're hearing the GPU fan, and not the CPU fan?

You might've had anacron kick a few things into action. If it was time to  
catch up on an overdue run of prelink, this will keep the CPU noticeably  
busy, for a few minutes.




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Re: Fan control with nouveau controller ?

2011-04-08 Thread Linuxguy123 
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 19:46 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> I'm running a fully up to date F14 installation on my laptop. 
> 
> For various reasons today I uninstalled the nvidia driver and installed
> the nouveau driver.   My laptop has a GeForce 8800 GTS video card.
> 
> Everything works but I can hear the video fan running constantly which
> is annoying and wasteful of the battery.
> 
> How do I get the video fan under control ?

For whatever reason, my video fan just throttled down.   Something
to do with the first run ?



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Fan control with nouveau controller ?

2011-04-08 Thread Linuxguy123 
I'm running a fully up to date F14 installation on my laptop. 

For various reasons today I uninstalled the nvidia driver and installed
the nouveau driver.   My laptop has a GeForce 8800 GTS video card.

Everything works but I can hear the video fan running constantly which
is annoying and wasteful of the battery.

How do I get the video fan under control ?

Thanks

LG

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Re: buut paramerers for seeing the verbose boot process

2011-04-08 Thread JD 
On 04/08/2011 05:39 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> On 04/08/2011 04:23 PM, JD wrote:
>> On 04/08/2011 12:29 AM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
>> I looked! I have not rhgb and no quiet.
> OK, then you have a different problem then.
>
>> What happens is at boot, there is a fast scroll
>> of text and suddenly, the screen appears as if it got powered off,
>> but it also behaves that way when switching from bios text mode
>> to graphics mode. It stays blank  (black) for about 2.5 or more minutes
>> and then the Gnome login menu pops up.
>> I never get to see the output of the boot process,
>> so I can see what passed and what failed.
> Sounds to me like it may be a video related problem with the card
> switching modes during boot up.  Do you have a VGA= on your kernel line?
No. Here is the entry in grub.conf
title Fedora (2.6.38.2.fc14.i686)
 root (hd0,1)
 kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38.2.fc14.i686 ro root=/dev/sda2 
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 initrd /boot/initramfs-2.6.38.2.fc14.i686.img

> You might try putting a "nomodeset" and see what it does, but that
> option is becoming deprecated as the kernel support for various video
> cards improves.
I used to have nomodeset. But that had the effect of slowing
down switching from one workspace to the next a lot -
like it would 2.5 to 3 seconds for the switch-to  workspace
would display all it's contents. So, an OP advised me to remove
it, and that indeed fixed that problem. So, not sure I would
want to get back to that "slowdown" - but I will try it just
to test.

> What is your video card, and what driver are you expecting to be used.
> I ask because Fedora tries real hard to use either nouveau or ati for
> nVidia or Radeon cards and you might want to ultimately be using a
> proprietary driver (you never know until you ask...).
It is  the Radeon Mobility 9600 M10.
I assume that the F14 Xserver driver is picked
automatically. There is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> I would see if I could stop the mode switch so that the screen doesn't
> clear.  It sounds to me like the screen re-size is "failing" and you
> never see anything else on the screen.
>
> Suvayu's suggestion of looking at the /var/log/dmesg is also useful if
> you can find something there that might point a finger, but until then,
> see if you can keep the screen stable.
I found nothing there to give me a clue!
/boot/log starts with
Starting udev:...
which is what I used to see on the screen, but I see that no longer.
But there was nothing there that would give me a clue why I can
not see that on the boot screen.

>> Thanx,
>>
>> JD

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Re: buut paramerers for seeing the verbose boot process

2011-04-08 Thread Kevin J. Cummings 
On 04/08/2011 04:23 PM, JD wrote:
> On 04/08/2011 12:29 AM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> I looked! I have not rhgb and no quiet.

OK, then you have a different problem then.

> What happens is at boot, there is a fast scroll
> of text and suddenly, the screen appears as if it got powered off,
> but it also behaves that way when switching from bios text mode
> to graphics mode. It stays blank  (black) for about 2.5 or more minutes
> and then the Gnome login menu pops up.
> I never get to see the output of the boot process,
> so I can see what passed and what failed.

Sounds to me like it may be a video related problem with the card
switching modes during boot up.  Do you have a VGA= on your kernel line?

You might try putting a "nomodeset" and see what it does, but that
option is becoming deprecated as the kernel support for various video
cards improves.

What is your video card, and what driver are you expecting to be used.
I ask because Fedora tries real hard to use either nouveau or ati for
nVidia or Radeon cards and you might want to ultimately be using a
proprietary driver (you never know until you ask...).

I would see if I could stop the mode switch so that the screen doesn't
clear.  It sounds to me like the screen re-size is "failing" and you
never see anything else on the screen.

Suvayu's suggestion of looking at the /var/log/dmesg is also useful if
you can find something there that might point a finger, but until then,
see if you can keep the screen stable.

> Thanx,
> 
> JD

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Re: Ctrl-Alt-F2 does not work

2011-04-08 Thread JD 
On 04/08/2011 03:41 PM, Tom H wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 6:38 PM, JD  wrote:
>> with fc14, have not been able to to switch
>> to the text console by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F2
>> or F3 ...etc, even after latest updates,
>>
>> What is the config file that controls that behavior??
> Check with ps whether the gettys are running.
>
> The files that set them up and launch them are
> "/etc/init/start-ttys.conf" and "/etc/init/tty.conf".
I do not see anything in those files
for me to config. Could my problem be more
gnome related or Xserver related?


# ps -ef | grep getty
root  1947 1  0 11:50 tty2 00:00:00 /sbin/mingetty /dev/tty2
root  1949 1  0 11:50 tty3 00:00:00 /sbin/mingetty /dev/tty3
root  1952 1  0 11:50 tty4 00:00:00 /sbin/mingetty /dev/tty4
root  1954 1  0 11:50 tty5 00:00:00 /sbin/mingetty /dev/tty5
root  1956 1  0 11:50 tty6 00:00:00 /sbin/mingetty /dev/tty6

# cat /etc/init/start-ttys.conf
#
# This service starts the configured number of gettys.

start on stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345]

env ACTIVE_CONSOLES=/dev/tty[1-6]
env X_TTY=/dev/tty1
task
script
 . /etc/sysconfig/init
 for tty in $(echo $ACTIVE_CONSOLES) ; do
 [ "$RUNLEVEL" = "5" -a "$tty" = "$X_TTY" ] && continue
 initctl start tty TTY=$tty
 done
end script

# cat /etc/init/tty.conf
# tty - getty
#
# This service maintains a getty on the specified device.

stop on runlevel [016]

respawn
instance $TTY
exec /sbin/mingetty $TTY
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Re: Ctrl-Alt-F2 does not work

2011-04-08 Thread Tom H 
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 6:38 PM, JD  wrote:
>
> with fc14, have not been able to to switch
> to the text console by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F2
> or F3 ...etc, even after latest updates,
>
> What is the config file that controls that behavior??

Check with ps whether the gettys are running.

The files that set them up and launch them are
"/etc/init/start-ttys.conf" and "/etc/init/tty.conf".
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Ctrl-Alt-F2 does not work

2011-04-08 Thread JD 
Hi all,
with fc14, have not been able to to switch
to the text console by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F2
or F3 ...etc, even after latest updates,

What is the config file that controls that behavior??

Thanx,

JD

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Re: buut paramerers for seeing the verbose boot process

2011-04-08 Thread JD 
On 04/08/2011 02:23 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:23 PM, JD  wrote:
>> What happens is at boot, there is a fast scroll
>> of text and suddenly, the screen appears as if it got powered off,
>> but it also behaves that way when switching from bios text mode
>> to graphics mode. It stays blank  (black) for about 2.5 or more minutes
>> and then the Gnome login menu pops up.
>> I never get to see the output of the boot process,
>> so I can see what passed and what failed.
> Kevin's prescription should have worked. I don't know what is wrong
> but you can always look at the boot messages after the fact with
>
> $ less -r /var/log/boot.log
>
Yeah... I know that.
I would much rather see them as it is booting.
Here is the entry in /boot/grub/grub.conf

title Fedora (2.6.38.2.fc14.i686)
 root (hd0,1)
 kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38.2.fc14.i686 ro root=/dev/sda2 
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 initrd /boot/initramfs-2.6.38.2.fc14.i686.img


I have to admit that the kernel I am using is the
mainline rleased kernel, because the ath9k driver
seems to better support my AR5008 based wifi card
(has AR5614/AR2133 chips). I tried the regular Fedora 14
released kernel from updates (2.6.35.11-83.fc14.i686),
but using it, I was unable to pair with the AP, whereas
2.6.38.2 works just fine.

So, I wonder if my problem might be caused by
one of the boot stages???

Cheers,

JD
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Re: buut paramerers for seeing the verbose boot process

2011-04-08 Thread suvayu ali 
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:23 PM, JD  wrote:
> What happens is at boot, there is a fast scroll
> of text and suddenly, the screen appears as if it got powered off,
> but it also behaves that way when switching from bios text mode
> to graphics mode. It stays blank  (black) for about 2.5 or more minutes
> and then the Gnome login menu pops up.
> I never get to see the output of the boot process,
> so I can see what passed and what failed.

Kevin's prescription should have worked. I don't know what is wrong
but you can always look at the boot messages after the fact with

$ less -r /var/log/boot.log

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Re: F14 yum update conflict

2011-04-08 Thread JD 
On 04/08/2011 01:24 PM, Christopher K. Johnson wrote:
> yum install yum-priorities
Thanx! That's a good idea, although I do n ot
know if it would have saved me from all that headache.
I will try it.

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Re: F14 yum update conflict

2011-04-08 Thread JD 
On 04/08/2011 10:24 AM, Greg Woods wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 09:14 -0700, JD wrote:
>
>> Looks like after deleting the offending rpm for libmad
>> all is well now.
>> Yum check shows no problems and yum update shows no problems.
>
> The lesson for all to learn from this thread is that you have to be very
> careful when using multiple third-party repos. What I do to avoid this
> kind of thing is that only one of the third-party repos is enabled by
> default. The other typically has only a few packages in it that I use,
> so I enable that one only when I want to update packages that come from
> it, and I ask for those packages specifically to prevent lots of
> unrelated packages from being dragged in from that repo and confusing
> things.
>
> This would not apply to very specialized repos that contain a very small
> number of specific packages, such as the Virtual Box repo that contains
> only vbox packages, and the Adobe repo that I only have flash-plugin
> from and it contains only Adobe packages. Those I can pretty much keep
> enabled without causing problems.
>
> --Greg
>
>
True.
I just modified the .rpm files for rpmfusion and atrpms
to include only the packages I am interested in, and which
will not cause the havoc I've been through.

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Re: F14 yum update conflict

2011-04-08 Thread Christopher K. Johnson 
On 04/08/2011 01:24 PM, Greg Woods wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 09:14 -0700, JD wrote:
>
>
>> Looks like after deleting the offending rpm for libmad
>> all is well now.
>> Yum check shows no problems and yum update shows no problems.
>>  
>
> The lesson for all to learn from this thread is that you have to be very
> careful when using multiple third-party repos. What I do to avoid this
> kind of thing is that only one of the third-party repos is enabled by
> default.
The other way to avoid it is to 'yum install yum-priorities' and then 
configure a priority value in each repo file.

Chris
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Re: buut paramerers for seeing the verbose boot process

2011-04-08 Thread JD 
On 04/08/2011 12:29 AM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> On 04/08/2011 02:06 AM, JD wrote:
>> In F13, I could see all the steps of the boot
>> process and see what was failing.
>> Now, in F14, that is all hidden.
>> What boot params do I need to remove or add
>> to make the boot output visible again.
> Look at your kernel command line in /etc/grub.conf.  If you see either
> "rhgb" and/or "quiet", remove them.  That should let you see all the
> messages again.
Thank you Kevin.
I looked! I have not rhgb and no quiet.
What happens is at boot, there is a fast scroll
of text and suddenly, the screen appears as if it got powered off,
but it also behaves that way when switching from bios text mode
to graphics mode. It stays blank  (black) for about 2.5 or more minutes
and then the Gnome login menu pops up.
I never get to see the output of the boot process,
so I can see what passed and what failed.

Thanx,

JD
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Re: F14 yum update conflict

2011-04-08 Thread Greg Woods 
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 09:14 -0700, JD wrote:

> Looks like after deleting the offending rpm for libmad
> all is well now.
> Yum check shows no problems and yum update shows no problems.


The lesson for all to learn from this thread is that you have to be very
careful when using multiple third-party repos. What I do to avoid this
kind of thing is that only one of the third-party repos is enabled by
default. The other typically has only a few packages in it that I use,
so I enable that one only when I want to update packages that come from
it, and I ask for those packages specifically to prevent lots of
unrelated packages from being dragged in from that repo and confusing
things.

This would not apply to very specialized repos that contain a very small
number of specific packages, such as the Virtual Box repo that contains
only vbox packages, and the Adobe repo that I only have flash-plugin
from and it contains only Adobe packages. Those I can pretty much keep
enabled without causing problems.

--Greg


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Re: FC13 PS2 Mouse/Keyboard stops working after a while

2011-04-08 Thread Lamar Owen 
On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 06:21:25 PM John Mellor wrote:
> Interesting.  I have the opposite problem on my abit motherboard.  The
> PS2 mouse happens to work and my preferred USB mouse just locks up about
> 5 times per day.
> 
> Is this a known problem with a simple fix?

Don't know; I have a client with an F13 box doing the same thing; different 
motherboard.  Haven't gotten any useful troubleshooting information, either.
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Re: F14 yum update conflict

2011-04-08 Thread JD 
On 04/08/2011 01:05 AM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
>
>
> 2011/4/8 Michael Schwendt  >
>
> On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:36:20 -0700, JD wrote:
>
> > >> So stick to one third party repo instead of atleast stop using
> > >> conflicting repos.  Mplayer and vlc are both in RPM Fusion.
> > > It seems the failure is to enable rpmfusion _after_ atrpms.
> > >
> > > Plus, it's a mistake to install atrpms' "libmad" explicitly
> instead of
> > > letting Yum (or other depsolvers) pull in whatever provides the
> > > libmad.so.0 library. At atrpms' it's the "libmad0" package.
> > >
> > > If one starts with rpmfusion, one gets libmad-0.15.1b-13.fc12, and
> > > atrpms' libmad-0.15.1b-4.fc14 loses version comparison: 4<  13
> > >
> > > [On the contrary, if one starts with atrpms, dependencies on
> libmad.so.0
> > > pull in the "libmad0" package, which conflicts with
> rpmfusion's libmad
> > > pkg. atrpms' libmad package contains no important library.]
> > >
> > > At rpmfusion, nothing requires the "libmad" package name:
> > >
> > >$ repoquery --exactdeps --whatrequires libmad
> > >libmad-0:0.15.1b-13.fc12.i586
> > >libmad-devel-0:0.15.1b-13.fc12.i586
> > >
> > > So, if nothing at atrpms explicitly requires "libmad0" either,
> one can
> > > stick to rpmfusion's libmad package without ever getting
> atrpms' libmad0
> > > package. Anything that wants libmad.so.0 will be happy with
> whatever
> > > provides that library.
> >
> > What you say does not make sense re libmad0. To wit:
> >
> > # rpm -q libmad0
> > libmad0-0.15.1b-4.fc14.i686
> > # rpm -e libmad0-0.15.1b-4.fc14.i686
>
> Not what I've asked you to do: "rpm -e libmad"
> What you tried to do is to erase a package that contains a needed
> shared library. That won't work, of course.
>
> > I did not manually and explicitly install libmad0.
>
> No, but libmad.
>
> > Yum resolved the dependencies of the packages you see above.
>
> Then please show the results of
>
>  repoquery --exactdeps --whatrequires libmad
>
> NOT libmad0 (!) and return to what I've written above. The theory is
> that if you have just libmad0 and not libmad, you don't have get a
> conflict.
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> Humm, Just did a quick reading...
>
> You could try (As Root in terminal):
>
> -  yum clean all
>
> - yum makecache
>
> - yum -y update
>
> Hope this helps...
>
> Cheers!
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Looks like after deleting the offending rpm for libmad
all is well now.
Yum check shows no problems and yum update shows no problems.

Cheers,

JD
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Re: F14 yum update conflict

2011-04-08 Thread JD 
On 04/08/2011 12:51 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> repoquery --exactdeps --whatrequires libmad
>
I see! OK. You're right!

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KMail fails to start

2011-04-08 Thread Timothy Murphy 
I'm getting a problem with KMail, probably since updating yesterday.
When I click on the KMail icon in my panel, it fails to act,
as it does if I run kmail on the command line.

I wonder if anyone else has met this problem?
I'm thinking I should go back to an earlier version of kdepim.
Is that a good idea?

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RE: how to install GNOME3 on fedora 14

2011-04-08 Thread Satyendra Singh 
I have installed fedora 14 on my system and it is running perfectly.

I don't want to mess or try fedora 15 without any specific reason but just want 
to install GNOME3.

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Re: F14 yum update conflict

2011-04-08 Thread Michael Schwendt 
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 03:05:40 -0500, Manuel wrote:

> Humm, Just did a quick reading...
> 
> You could try (As Root in terminal):
> 
> -  yum clean all
> 
> - yum makecache
> 
> - yum -y update
> 
> Hope this helps...

No, it won't help. "clean all" kills more than necessary. You want to look
up the better options in the manual in the "CLEAN OPTIONS" section,
e.g. "clean metadata".

Refreshing repo metadata like that is not a solution here, however.

But to prove my theory:

$ sudo rpm -i http://dl.atrpms.net/all/atrpms-repo-14-4.fc14.i686pm 
$ repoquery --exactdeps --whatrequires libmad
libmad-0:0.15.1b-13.fc12.i586
libmad-0:0.15.1b-4.fc14.i686
libmad-devel-0:0.15.1b-13.fc12.i586

$ repoquery --exactdeps --whatrequires libmad0
libmad0-0:0.15.1b-4.fc14.i686
libmad-0:0.15.1b-4.fc14.i686
libmad-devel-0:0.15.1b-4.fc14.i686

One can keep _either_ libmad0 from atrpms _or_ libmad from rpmfusion
to avoid the conflict. Those are the packages that contain the shared
lib (libmad.so.0). Ignore libmad from atrpms, for the reasons explained
before.
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Re: F14 yum update conflict

2011-04-08 Thread Manuel Escudero 
2011/4/8 Michael Schwendt 

> On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:36:20 -0700, JD wrote:
>
> > >> So stick to one third party repo instead of atleast stop using
> > >> conflicting repos.  Mplayer and vlc are both in RPM Fusion.
> > > It seems the failure is to enable rpmfusion _after_ atrpms.
> > >
> > > Plus, it's a mistake to install atrpms' "libmad" explicitly instead of
> > > letting Yum (or other depsolvers) pull in whatever provides the
> > > libmad.so.0 library. At atrpms' it's the "libmad0" package.
> > >
> > > If one starts with rpmfusion, one gets libmad-0.15.1b-13.fc12, and
> > > atrpms' libmad-0.15.1b-4.fc14 loses version comparison: 4<  13
> > >
> > > [On the contrary, if one starts with atrpms, dependencies on
> libmad.so.0
> > > pull in the "libmad0" package, which conflicts with rpmfusion's libmad
> > > pkg. atrpms' libmad package contains no important library.]
> > >
> > > At rpmfusion, nothing requires the "libmad" package name:
> > >
> > >$ repoquery --exactdeps --whatrequires libmad
> > >libmad-0:0.15.1b-13.fc12.i586
> > >libmad-devel-0:0.15.1b-13.fc12.i586
> > >
> > > So, if nothing at atrpms explicitly requires "libmad0" either, one can
> > > stick to rpmfusion's libmad package without ever getting atrpms'
> libmad0
> > > package. Anything that wants libmad.so.0 will be happy with whatever
> > > provides that library.
> >
> > What you say does not make sense re libmad0. To wit:
> >
> > # rpm -q libmad0
> > libmad0-0.15.1b-4.fc14.i686
> > # rpm -e libmad0-0.15.1b-4.fc14.i686
>
> Not what I've asked you to do: "rpm -e libmad"
> What you tried to do is to erase a package that contains a needed
> shared library. That won't work, of course.
>
> > I did not manually and explicitly install libmad0.
>
> No, but libmad.
>
> > Yum resolved the dependencies of the packages you see above.
>
> Then please show the results of
>
>  repoquery --exactdeps --whatrequires libmad
>
> NOT libmad0 (!) and return to what I've written above. The theory is
> that if you have just libmad0 and not libmad, you don't have get a
> conflict.
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Humm, Just did a quick reading...

You could try (As Root in terminal):

-  yum clean all

- yum makecache

- yum -y update

Hope this helps...

Cheers!


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Re: F14 yum update conflict

2011-04-08 Thread Michael Schwendt 
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:36:20 -0700, JD wrote:

> >> So stick to one third party repo instead of atleast stop using
> >> conflicting repos.  Mplayer and vlc are both in RPM Fusion.
> > It seems the failure is to enable rpmfusion _after_ atrpms.
> >
> > Plus, it's a mistake to install atrpms' "libmad" explicitly instead of
> > letting Yum (or other depsolvers) pull in whatever provides the
> > libmad.so.0 library. At atrpms' it's the "libmad0" package.
> >
> > If one starts with rpmfusion, one gets libmad-0.15.1b-13.fc12, and
> > atrpms' libmad-0.15.1b-4.fc14 loses version comparison: 4<  13
> >
> > [On the contrary, if one starts with atrpms, dependencies on libmad.so.0
> > pull in the "libmad0" package, which conflicts with rpmfusion's libmad
> > pkg. atrpms' libmad package contains no important library.]
> >
> > At rpmfusion, nothing requires the "libmad" package name:
> >
> >$ repoquery --exactdeps --whatrequires libmad
> >libmad-0:0.15.1b-13.fc12.i586
> >libmad-devel-0:0.15.1b-13.fc12.i586
> >
> > So, if nothing at atrpms explicitly requires "libmad0" either, one can
> > stick to rpmfusion's libmad package without ever getting atrpms' libmad0
> > package. Anything that wants libmad.so.0 will be happy with whatever
> > provides that library.
>
> What you say does not make sense re libmad0. To wit:
> 
> # rpm -q libmad0
> libmad0-0.15.1b-4.fc14.i686
> # rpm -e libmad0-0.15.1b-4.fc14.i686

Not what I've asked you to do: "rpm -e libmad"
What you tried to do is to erase a package that contains a needed
shared library. That won't work, of course.

> I did not manually and explicitly install libmad0.

No, but libmad.

> Yum resolved the dependencies of the packages you see above.

Then please show the results of

  repoquery --exactdeps --whatrequires libmad

NOT libmad0 (!) and return to what I've written above. The theory is
that if you have just libmad0 and not libmad, you don't have get a conflict.
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Re: buut paramerers for seeing the verbose boot process

2011-04-08 Thread Kevin J. Cummings 
On 04/08/2011 02:06 AM, JD wrote:
> In F13, I could see all the steps of the boot
> process and see what was failing.
> Now, in F14, that is all hidden.
> What boot params do I need to remove or add
> to make the boot output visible again.

Look at your kernel command line in /etc/grub.conf.  If you see either
"rhgb" and/or "quiet", remove them.  That should let you see all the
messages again.

> Thanx,
> 
> JD

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