Re: [Errno 5] Input/output error

[charles zeitler]

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On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Leon Legorreta
 wrote:
> I'm trying to update packages are only 33MB
>
how's your swap holding out?
if that's not the problem,
try a fsck on vg_leon-LogVol00, vg_leon-LogVol03
and vg_leon-LogVol04

also, you might look at 'man smartctl'

charles zeitler

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Re: reading AOL Mail in Fedora

[edik landave]

If you are running KDE, you also can use KMail without installing
anything else. Just follow the procedures outline on their POP3 or
IMAP email & you will be ready in a few minutes
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Re: iptables questions

[Gabriel Ramirez]

On 04/18/2011 07:13 PM, JD wrote:

> Could very well be a harmless bug.
> I was also wondering if the bug is caused by the client request
> being broadcast to all 3 gmail servers, and one of them quickly
> responds, and one or both of the other 2, which are apparently
> not notified that the response has been sent, will send their
> reply to a session which has already closed.
> Any google mail admins on this list?? :)
>
>

if in your case a another server (also google's property) is sending the 
RST, it's different situation from mine, to be sure runs "tcppdump -i 
eth0 port 995 -n" in a terminal and download your email via thunderbird, 
if you see two different pop server ip address, well in my limited 
testing I only was one server.

maybe in your logs have three servers written because  in one day one ip 
addresss was resolved by your dns server, after sometimes the dns cache 
expired and resolved another ip address

now maybe linux isn't closing properly the session, so google is sending 
the RST, but having two bugs in different programs (fetchmail and 
thunderbird) is more unlikely which only a bug in google'spop server.

also that packet isn't marked NEW, ESTABLISHED or RELATED, but INVALID

I'm not  sure if a stock Linux install DROP or REJECT the INVALID 
packets, but  maybe don't log them so the problem isn't more known 
between the users of gmail pop3s servers, many prefer imap. I use imap 
but only in my own servers.

Gabriel


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Re: iptables questions

[JD]

On 04/18/2011 05:05 PM, Gabriel Ramirez wrote:
> On 04/17/2011 03:53 PM, JD wrote:
>
>> Well, it is a bit strange that Google would set up their servers
>> so that my machine tries to download latest messages by sending
>> it's request to pop.gmail.com (74.125.127.109) to port 995,
>> and receive reply from a different IP address.
>> How can I configure my firewall so that such replies are
>> not deemed as "not established"?
>
> I'm  download my email too from pop.gmail.com via pop3s using fetchmail
> and in the past, the following showed in the logs:
>
> Apr 17 16:18:42 localhost kernel: [534364.934281] INPUT packets denied:
> IN=eth0 OUT= MAC= SRC=74.125.127.109 DST=192.168.1.10 LEN=40 TOS=0x00
> PREC=0x00 TTL=48 ID=18161 PROTO=TCP SPT=995 DPT=48159 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00
> RST URGP=0
>
> and the above packet always netfilter (iptables) classify it as a
> INVALID packet so you catch it with:
>
> -N inval-IN
> -A inval-IN -m tcp -p tcp --sport 995 -j DROP
> -A INPUT -m state --state INVALID -j inval-IN
>
> or test and simply do:
>
> -A INPUT -m state --state INVALID -j DROP
>
> I only know a little about tcpdump but according to "tcpdump -i eth0 -n
> port 995" the packet logged is the last one in the session:
>
> also in my limited testing today, the logged packet came from the same
> pop server machine not a third party one
>
> and because the packet is logged not matter you use thunderbird or I use
> fetcmail maybe is a (harmless) bug in google pop server
>
> Gabriel
Could very well be a harmless bug.
I was also wondering if the bug is caused by the client request
being broadcast to all 3 gmail servers, and one of them quickly
responds, and one or both of the other 2, which are apparently
not notified that the response has been sent, will send their
reply to a session which has already closed.
Any google mail admins on this list?? :)


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Re: iptables questions

[Gabriel Ramirez]

On 04/17/2011 03:53 PM, JD wrote:

> Well, it is a bit strange that Google would set up their servers
> so that my machine tries to download latest messages by sending
> it's request to pop.gmail.com (74.125.127.109) to port 995,
> and receive reply from a different IP address.
> How can I configure my firewall so that such replies are
> not deemed as "not established"?


I'm  download my email too from pop.gmail.com via pop3s using fetchmail 
and in the past, the following showed in the logs:

Apr 17 16:18:42 localhost kernel: [534364.934281] INPUT packets denied: 
IN=eth0 OUT= MAC= SRC=74.125.127.109 DST=192.168.1.10 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 
PREC=0x00 TTL=48 ID=18161 PROTO=TCP SPT=995 DPT=48159 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 
RST URGP=0

and the above packet always netfilter (iptables) classify it as a 
INVALID packet so you catch it with:

-N inval-IN
-A inval-IN -m tcp -p tcp --sport 995 -j DROP
-A INPUT -m state --state INVALID -j inval-IN

or test and simply do:

-A INPUT -m state --state INVALID -j DROP

I only know a little about tcpdump but according to "tcpdump -i eth0 -n 
port 995" the packet logged is the last one in the session:

also in my limited testing today, the logged packet came from the same 
pop server machine not a third party one

and because the packet is logged not matter you use thunderbird or I use 
fetcmail maybe is a (harmless) bug in google pop server

Gabriel
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assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed?

[Christoph A.]

Hi,

it seams that something got broken on my f13 system.
Several applications crash when trying to start:


$ system-config-services
/usr/bin/system-config-services:149: Warning: g_object_unref: assertion
`G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
  **{attrname: column})
/usr/bin/system-config-services:498: Warning: g_object_unref: assertion
`G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
  self.servicesTreeView = GUIServicesTreeView()
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

$ abrt-gui
/usr/share/abrt/CCMainWindow.py:454: Warning: g_object_get_qdata:
assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
  cc = MainWindow(daemon)
/usr/share/abrt/CCMainWindow.py:454: Warning: g_object_set_qdata_full:
assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
  cc = MainWindow(daemon)
/usr/share/abrt/CCMainWindow.py:454: Warning: g_object_unref: assertion
`G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
  cc = MainWindow(daemon)
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

...and probably others to.

I suspected that the filesystem might have some issues.. but a fsck
didn't report any problems.

Any hints?

thanks!
Christoph



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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[Sam Sharpe]

On 18 April 2011 23:07, JD  wrote:
> On 04/18/2011 02:57 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 04/18/2011 02:46 PM, JD wrote:
>>> "good ones" as in "$$" per year? :)
>> You may not always get what you pay for, but you almost never get what
>> you don't pay for.  Going with the cheapest possible hosting service
>> means that you get little if any support included and (as we see here)
>> you may get stuck with an obsolete OS because keeping current costs
>> money (If nothing else, it takes time and bandwidth to download, burn
>> and test new install DVDs.  It also takes having somebody who's job
>> description includes watching for new releases.) and a low-end hosting
>> company is going to cut costs any and every way it can.
> Guys, I do not mean to say that the hosting copanies
> that "are good" are NOT worth the cost. I only meant
> you have to shell out what they ask.
>
> However, I will stick to my guns that negotiating with
> the hosting company to provide at least two drives
> that will let you do your own remote installation and
> boot the drive you want from the grub menu.
> You can always install on the second drive, and still
> be able to boot from the default driver and select the
> new installation from the grub menu. This is an
> excellent solution to a rather simple problem.
> Sure, they will ask for a one time charge for the drive
> and the installation thereof. But to these hosting companies,
> all those drives are virtual anyhow  - they are allocated
> from a large pool of storage servers, so adding one more
> drive to a hosted machine (which is probably also virtual)
> should not be such a big deal.

Slicehost and RS Cloud don't give you that option. It's not a blocker
to installing a new OS (I upgraded my slices from F12 to F13, before
they offered it, remotely) but it's a Xen VM. The kernel actually
lives outside the VM and with Slicehost you can select the boot kernel
as an option, with RS Cloud you can't.

The issue is that while the disks are backed up elsewhere, the storage
often lives locally on your particular hypervisor and the sales are on
the basis that a particular sized machine will also have a particular
sized disk - as you can't overcommit memory in a Xen VM, the ratio of
the disk sizes you get for each slice vs total disk is also the same
ratio as the memory allocated vs the memory installed. So for example
to get a 256MB slice with two disks, you'd have to go with 2 x 5GB
disks vs the current 10GB disk to make it economical for the hosting
company.

I could bore you to death on the economics, but I won't ;o)

If you move into "Managed Hosting" dedicated server then the disks
allocated are what is physically installed in the machine you are
renting. Some companies grant OOB access so you can see the Grub
prompt and hence if you paid for 2 sets of disks, you could have this
option, not all companies do that. Mine for example could, but it
would mean that every physical machine wasted an extra IP for OOB
management that 95% of people wouldn't use... ARIN/RIPE/APNIC wouldn't
like that, expecially right now ;o)

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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/18/2011 03:07 PM, JD wrote:
> Guys, I do not mean to say that the hosting copanies
> that "are good" are NOT worth the cost. I only meant
> you have to shell out what they ask.
>

I may be a tad less optimistic: expensive hosting companies may or may 
not be worth the cost, but cheap ones are probably not unless you have 
very low expectations, or very simple needs.

> However, I will stick to my guns that negotiating with
> the hosting company to provide at least two drives
> that will let you do your own remote installation and
> boot the drive you want from the grub menu.

Oh, I agree that if your hosting company will agree, it's a good way to 
go.  I was just pointing out that in this case, the company in question 
probably wasn't worth trusting.  (My advice was, and still is to go 
somewhere else, making sure they'll give you a box with a current 
version of Linux; if they'll give you a second hard drive so that you 
can upgrade with minimal downtime, so much the better.)
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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[JD]

On 04/18/2011 02:57 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 04/18/2011 02:46 PM, JD wrote:
>> "good ones" as in "$$" per year? :)
> You may not always get what you pay for, but you almost never get what
> you don't pay for.  Going with the cheapest possible hosting service
> means that you get little if any support included and (as we see here)
> you may get stuck with an obsolete OS because keeping current costs
> money (If nothing else, it takes time and bandwidth to download, burn
> and test new install DVDs.  It also takes having somebody who's job
> description includes watching for new releases.) and a low-end hosting
> company is going to cut costs any and every way it can.
Guys, I do not mean to say that the hosting copanies
that "are good" are NOT worth the cost. I only meant
you have to shell out what they ask.

However, I will stick to my guns that negotiating with
the hosting company to provide at least two drives
that will let you do your own remote installation and
boot the drive you want from the grub menu.
You can always install on the second drive, and still
be able to boot from the default driver and select the
new installation from the grub menu. This is an
excellent solution to a rather simple problem.
Sure, they will ask for a one time charge for the drive
and the installation thereof. But to these hosting companies,
all those drives are virtual anyhow  - they are allocated
from a large pool of storage servers, so adding one more
drive to a hosted machine (which is probably also virtual)
should not be such a big deal.
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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/18/2011 02:46 PM, JD wrote:
> "good ones" as in "$$" per year? :)

You may not always get what you pay for, but you almost never get what 
you don't pay for.  Going with the cheapest possible hosting service 
means that you get little if any support included and (as we see here) 
you may get stuck with an obsolete OS because keeping current costs 
money (If nothing else, it takes time and bandwidth to download, burn 
and test new install DVDs.  It also takes having somebody who's job 
description includes watching for new releases.) and a low-end hosting 
company is going to cut costs any and every way it can.
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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[Sam Sharpe]

On 18 April 2011 22:46, JD  wrote:
> On 04/18/2011 02:21 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote:
>> On 18 April 2011 21:58, JD  wrote:
>>> On 04/18/2011 11:46 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
 On 04/18/2011 09:22 AM, JD wrote:
> But the OP seems not to have taken this road :)
 And wisely, IMO.  Not because it's not a good idea but because doing
 that would require him to trust the hosting company, and I think they've
 already proven themselves to be untrustworthy.  Moving to a new company
 (and making sure that this time the contract *requires* them to install
 a more current OS) is probably his safest option at this point.
>>> Even so, see as Fedora becomes "OLD" in about
>>> a 18 to 36 months, what hosting company is going to agree to update the
>>> system?
>>> Not very many!
>> The good ones?
> "good ones" as in "$$" per year? :)

Two familiar adages:

1) You get what you pay for.
2) There's no such thing as a free lunch.

I use Slicehost and Rackspace Cloud - they are both very reasonably priced...

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Re: rsync from mirror - problem

[Gabriel Ramirez]

On 04/18/2011 08:19 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> On 04/18/2011 08:04 AM, Gabriel Ramirez wrote:
>
>> and what filesystem have your server???
>
> ext3
>
>Possibly - except if it was a time stamp issue - why would it delete
> the file - that should trigger a check and the file contents would be
> checksummed for each rsync block - it should not trigger a delete
> followed by a download I wouldn't think.
>

well rsync as I far know (I'm only a user of it)  don't have the 
behavior you describe, if the timestamp differs in microseconds rsync 
(maybe to be quick) don't bother to check for checksums or filesizes at 
least with -av flags, so with the flag --modify-window loose a little 
the timestamp comparisons

but ext3 don't have that problem , at least that's my experience, but 
maybe doing  ls -l --full-time before and after the transfer shows some 
light about the problem

or try to save some file to another location run again a limited rsync 
and compare the files (or try checkingwith a md5 signature text file in 
the server) but if them are different maybe one stick of RAM is failing, 
I have a problem like that after some succesfull runs rsync but always 
the md5 failed when checked manually and the problem was a failed RAM 
module (the machine passed the bios test every time , but memtest86 
detected the faulty module

Gabriel

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Re: Separate /usr partition

[Gabriel Ramirez]

On 04/15/2011 02:59 PM, Robert Nichols wrote:
>
> Not even 1% of the programs in /usr/bin are relevant to the boot process.
> You need those, such libraries from /usr/lib (or /usr/lib64) that they need,
> some bits from /usr/share (/usr/share/hwdata in particular), probably a few
> more bits and pieces that I haven't taken the time to track down.
>

oh I forgot to add quick, I don't mind a quick and ugly workaround, so 
that's I think about the nonselective rsync. but if is a slow (complex) 
one meanwhile works

> [SNIP]
> There aren't many daemons that run before the local file systems have been
> mounted.  Should you happen to install one of those, _and_ it misguidedly
> installs in /usr, then you'll have something to add to your minimal root
> filesystem version of /usr.  Using the "--existing" flag ensures that only
> the files you've deemed necessary get copied, not the whole directory.

  thanks for clarifying that

>
> Hardest part, really, is coming up with a meaningful test.  My systems,
> like yours, currently boot just fine with a separate /usr file system, so
> there's not much way to know if you've missed something that should, at
> least in theory, have been included.
>
Well I install F15 and if in my use case is broken will take a look at 
to make a specific workaround for it.

Gabriel
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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[JD]

On 04/18/2011 02:21 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote:
> On 18 April 2011 21:58, JD  wrote:
>> On 04/18/2011 11:46 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>>> On 04/18/2011 09:22 AM, JD wrote:
 But the OP seems not to have taken this road :)
>>> And wisely, IMO.  Not because it's not a good idea but because doing
>>> that would require him to trust the hosting company, and I think they've
>>> already proven themselves to be untrustworthy.  Moving to a new company
>>> (and making sure that this time the contract *requires* them to install
>>> a more current OS) is probably his safest option at this point.
>> Even so, see as Fedora becomes "OLD" in about
>> a 18 to 36 months, what hosting company is going to agree to update the
>> system?
>> Not very many!
> The good ones?
"good ones" as in "$$" per year? :)
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Re: rsync from mirror - problem

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 16:00:10 -0400,
  Genes MailLists  wrote:
> 
>   Mirror is site is mirrors.kernel.org at tha moment - this script has
> been running for a few years now without change ... not that I wouldn't
> change it to fix this of course ...

mirrors.kernel.org is actually multiple mirrors. You might try just sticking
to one of them and see if the problem still shows up. It might be that some
of the kernel mirrors are not updating as promptly as others.
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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[Sam Sharpe]

On 18 April 2011 21:58, JD  wrote:
> On 04/18/2011 11:46 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 04/18/2011 09:22 AM, JD wrote:
>>> But the OP seems not to have taken this road :)
>> And wisely, IMO.  Not because it's not a good idea but because doing
>> that would require him to trust the hosting company, and I think they've
>> already proven themselves to be untrustworthy.  Moving to a new company
>> (and making sure that this time the contract *requires* them to install
>> a more current OS) is probably his safest option at this point.
> Even so, see as Fedora becomes "OLD" in about
> a 18 to 36 months, what hosting company is going to agree to update the
> system?
> Not very many!

The good ones?

Slicehost has already been mentioned - that generally offers the
latest versions of Fedora and Ubuntu pretty rapidly. Rackspace Cloud
offers roughly the same, only it takes slightly longer.In my
experience, it is the good hosting companies (often at the more
expensive end of the market) who devote resources to this.

If you're in the "Managed Hosting" business (Slicehost isn't), it
generally takes you a bit longer to release new versions as you have
to qualify the releases with your other tools - the Hosting company I
work for has only just qualified/released RHEL 5.6 (available Jan
13th) as it takes that long to qualify it with things like external
storage and backup system vendors. However that same hosting company
will happily install Fedora or CentOS or Ubuntu or Gentoo if you ask,
but we don't support it in the way we would with RHEL as it's not
qualified with all the 3rd party vendors we use.

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gweather and radar maps

[François Patte]

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Bonsoir,

I use this radar map for weather in France in gweather applet:

http://pda.meteox.fr/images.aspx?jaar=-3&voor=&soort=loop3uur256&c=fr&n=

Does anyone know something like this for weather in India?


Thanks.


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Re: Who took my beep?

[Göran Uddeborg]

Patrick O'Callaghan:
> Try asking on the Fedora Test list, which is where F15 is discussed.

Right, that would be more appropriate.  Sorry for the spam.
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Re: rsync from mirror - problem

[Dale Dellutri]

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Genes MailLists  wrote:
> On 04/18/2011 03:50 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> Genes MailLists wrote:
>>> On 04/17/2011 09:33 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> ..
    rsync -avz --delete --delete-excluded --hard-links

>>
>> No, what options are you using to rsync. I do a similar thing, but 
>> selectively
>> to save bandwidth. I copy stuff with the -aSH options, for various things I 
>> keep
>> copied. There is a CRC option, but you shouldn't need it.
>
>  My options are as above :-)

If you log what rsync is doing by adding --log-file=FILE, it will report what it
thinks has changed.  You might also need --itemize-changes.  See man rsync
under --itemize-changes for a description.

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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[JD]

On 04/18/2011 11:46 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 04/18/2011 09:22 AM, JD wrote:
>> But the OP seems not to have taken this road :)
> And wisely, IMO.  Not because it's not a good idea but because doing
> that would require him to trust the hosting company, and I think they've
> already proven themselves to be untrustworthy.  Moving to a new company
> (and making sure that this time the contract *requires* them to install
> a more current OS) is probably his safest option at this point.
Even so, see as Fedora becomes "OLD" in about
a 18 to 36 months, what hosting company is going to agree to update the 
system?
Not very many!
A second drive solutions is the best solution regardless of the hosting 
company.

JD
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Re: rsync from mirror - problem

[Genes MailLists]

On 04/18/2011 03:50 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Genes MailLists wrote:
>> On 04/17/2011 09:33 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>>>

..

>>>
>>>rsync -avz --delete --delete-excluded --hard-links
>>>

> 
> No, what options are you using to rsync. I do a similar thing, but 
> selectively 
> to save bandwidth. I copy stuff with the -aSH options, for various things I 
> keep 
> copied. There is a CRC option, but you shouldn't need it.

 My options are as above :-)

> 
> You might look at ctime and mtime before and after, it is possible that what 
> you 
> are copying is actually getting a "touch" due to a script error at the 
> source. 
> Not the most likely thing, but I mention it because I mirror a site which 
> does a 
> copy of a tree without preserving mtime, and it behaves as if every file 
> changes 
> between 2-3am local time.

  Mirror is site is mirrors.kernel.org at tha moment - this script has
been running for a few years now without change ... not that I wouldn't
change it to fix this of course ...

  If [cm]time changed - would it trigger a delete - or a refresh in rsync ?

 gene/



> 
> 

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Re: rsync from mirror - problem

[Bill Davidsen]

Genes MailLists wrote:
> On 04/17/2011 09:33 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>>
>>   For the last couple of days or so - my mirror script (I tried a couple
>> of mirror sites) seems to keep deleting everything and re-downloading
>> each time it runs ...
>>
>>   Mirror script keeps a local copy from which I update all my machines
>> here. It runs
>>
>>rsync -avz --delete --delete-excluded --hard-links
>>
>>
>
>   Anyone got any ideas why rsync might keep deleting and re-downloading?
> (using kernel.org mirror at the moment).

No, what options are you using to rsync. I do a similar thing, but selectively 
to save bandwidth. I copy stuff with the -aSH options, for various things I 
keep 
copied. There is a CRC option, but you shouldn't need it.

You might look at ctime and mtime before and after, it is possible that what 
you 
are copying is actually getting a "touch" due to a script error at the source. 
Not the most likely thing, but I mention it because I mirror a site which does 
a 
copy of a tree without preserving mtime, and it behaves as if every file 
changes 
between 2-3am local time.


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Re: [Errno 5] Input/output error

[Leon Legorreta]

I'm trying to update packages are only 33MB

2011/4/17 charles zeitler 

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>
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Leon Legorreta
>  wrote:
> > Hello, I hope you can help me, I have a problem to update my fedora 14,
> > since wanting to update with "yum" sends me the following error:
> >
> >
> > [Errno 5] Input / output error
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > --
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>
> 
> are you trying to update packages,
> or trying to update to a new release?
>
> charles zeitler
>
>
>
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Re: How gain access to DocumentRoot contents of Apache-httpd through a Web browser which is set to point to the Home folder of the User?

[Daniel J Walsh]

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On 04/16/2011 08:12 AM, Tim wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 11:12 +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
>> Heh, thought I might be out of date here.. I think that the correct
>> context for home directory web content is now httpd_user_content_t
>> (although I think httpd_sys_content_t still works - an SELinux expert
>> can probably explain exactly why that's wrong or a bad idea but it
>> certainly means there's no separation between user and system content
>> so the policy can't distinguish them ;).
> 
> Not an expert opinion, but I can imagine that an auto re-label might
> change them to the expected contexts.  Though I can't imagine that
> causing any problems.
> 

That is true, but only important if you are using confined users.  If
your users are logging in as unconfined_t then they can read and write
httpd_sys_content_t.  If you turn on confined users, then you would want
them labeled httpd_user_content_t.

If you run restorecon -R -v -F ~/public_content, it should change the
labels to the default.
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Re: Guidelines for a noob

[Daniel J Walsh]

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On 04/15/2011 09:45 PM, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> Thanks for the link but I don't see how to fix my trouble or what to do,
> there is a lot of info. u_u
> 
> Take a look At this bugzilla.
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=652297
> 
> 
> Aradnix

You either look for the execstack library as discussed in that bugzilla
or turn off the check


# setsebool -P allow_execstack 1

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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/18/2011 09:22 AM, JD wrote:
> But the OP seems not to have taken this road :)

And wisely, IMO.  Not because it's not a good idea but because doing 
that would require him to trust the hosting company, and I think they've 
already proven themselves to be untrustworthy.  Moving to a new company 
(and making sure that this time the contract *requires* them to install 
a more current OS) is probably his safest option at this point.
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Re: rsync from mirror - problem

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/18/2011 06:19 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>I did actually double check that ntp was working correctly and that
> the time matched the correct time onhttp://www.time.gov/widget.html.

Thanx for the url; I didn't know about that.
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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/18/2011 06:18 AM, Andy Blanchard wrote:
>
> This may be a dumb question, but since it hasn't actually come up yet...
>Are we *certain* the hosting company in question installed Fedora v6
> and not the current release (also v6) of Red Hat Enterprise Linux?

The OP has since stated that the vendor is giving him a refund.  I think 
that's a good sign that they were not only in the wrong, they knew it.
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Re: Cannot do KDE Graphic login

[Lamar Owen]

On Thursday, April 14, 2011 09:21:03 PM Chris Smart wrote:
> It will show [the acron thingy], if they pass a vga option though..

Which option is that?  Would be cool to get the real splash screen on boot 
instead of the text bars.

> In fact, one should install akmod, instead of kmod, so that it's
> automatically built on boot up and that issue goes away.

That never seemed to work correctly here, but admittedly it's been a while 
since I last tried.
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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[Steven Stern]

On 04/15/2011 02:48 PM, Dante Conti wrote:
> Is it possible to remotely upgrade a server running Fedora 6 to Fedora
> 14 (or 15)? If yes, should I use PreUpgrade?
> 
> Thank you for any help you can provide.
> 
> --Dante

Jumping back in at the top...

Since you're provisioning a server, you'd really be better off with
Centos than Fedora.  I love Fedora, but I don't like to do OS upgrades
on servers, and you're committing yourself to bunch of them as Fedora
moves on.

I have a nice little EC2 server running Amazon linux that's very stable
and a Centos server on Slicehost.

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Re: Open URL links from thunderbird - To open Firefox4

[JD]

On 04/18/2011 09:34 AM, james tate wrote:
> On 04/18/2011 12:26 PM, JD wrote:
>> System->Preferences->Preferred Applications
> Sorry JD , but are you using Gnome or KDE ?
> I'm using KDE.  There is no setting like that in KDE4
Gnome! Another user had posted the settings for KDE,
but that was a few days ago, when I had asked a similar question.
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Re: Open URL links from thunderbird - To open Firefox4

[james tate]

On 04/18/2011 12:26 PM, JD wrote:

System->Preferences->Preferred Applications

Sorry JD , but are you using Gnome or KDE ?
I'm using KDE.  There is no setting like that in KDE4
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Re: Open URL links from thunderbird - To open Firefox4

[james tate]

On 04/18/2011 12:21 PM, Joachim Backes wrote:
> On 04/18/2011 04:57 PM, james tate wrote:
>> F14/KDE
>>
>> Using Fedora 14 with Firefox4.
>>
>>If I click on a URL link in a Thunderbird email, to open it with
>> Firefox4, it won't open in Firefox4 .
>>
>> Is the settings setup in Thunderbird>  Preferences>  Attachments ?   If
>> so How do I get the Firefox4 in Attachments ?
>
> I think you should edit the default applications controls so that ff4 
> will become your favorite browser.
>
The Default Applications for Web Browser in KDE Settings is set for 
"firefox4"
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Re: Open URL links from thunderbird - To open Firefox4

[JD]

  
  
On 04/18/2011 09:21 AM, Joachim Backes wrote:
On
  04/18/2011 04:57 PM, james tate wrote:
  
  F14/KDE


Using Fedora 14 with Firefox4.


   If I click on a URL link in a Thunderbird email, to open it
with

Firefox4, it won't open in Firefox4 .


Is the settings setup in Thunderbird>  Preferences> 
Attachments ?   If

so How do I get the Firefox4 in Attachments ?

  
  
  I think you should edit the default applications controls so that
  ff4 will become your favorite browser.
  
  

System->Preferences->Preferred
Applications
  

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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[JD]

On 04/18/2011 09:22 AM, JD wrote:
> On 04/18/2011 08:56 AM, Andy Blanchard wrote:
>> On 18 April 2011 16:42, Dante Conti > > wrote:
>>
>> It was Fedora v6. RHEL was not offered as an OS option.
>>
>>
>> In that case they *really* ought to be named and shamed.  Fedora Core 
>> 6 was released at the tail end of 2006!  That kind of OS age might be 
>> OK in Microsoft shops where you get major releases every several 
>> years then a sequence of Service Packs, but here in Linux-land with 
>> frequent incremental releases that's almost akin to being carved onto 
>> stone tablets.
>>
>> -- 
>> Andy
>>
>> The only person to have all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe
> I had posted to the OP that he indeed CAN upgrade to D14 remotely
> by asking the hosting company to provide him with a second drive.
> Drives are rather cheap today.
> He could install F14 on the 2nd drive, and add a boot selection in
> FC6 's grub.conf to boot off of the second drive.
> But the OP seems not to have taken this road :)
>
Sorry, I meant F14, not D14  (the letters are next to each other :)

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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[JD]

On 04/18/2011 08:56 AM, Andy Blanchard wrote:
> On 18 April 2011 16:42, Dante Conti  > wrote:
>
> It was Fedora v6. RHEL was not offered as an OS option.
>
>
> In that case they *really* ought to be named and shamed.  Fedora Core 
> 6 was released at the tail end of 2006!  That kind of OS age might be 
> OK in Microsoft shops where you get major releases every several years 
> then a sequence of Service Packs, but here in Linux-land with frequent 
> incremental releases that's almost akin to being carved onto stone 
> tablets.
>
> -- 
> Andy
>
> The only person to have all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe
I had posted to the OP that he indeed CAN upgrade to D14 remotely
by asking the hosting company to provide him with a second drive.
Drives are rather cheap today.
He could install F14 on the 2nd drive, and add a boot selection in
FC6 's grub.conf to boot off of the second drive.
But the OP seems not to have taken this road :)

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Re: Open URL links from thunderbird - To open Firefox4

[Joachim Backes]

On 04/18/2011 04:57 PM, james tate wrote:

F14/KDE

Using Fedora 14 with Firefox4.

   If I click on a URL link in a Thunderbird email, to open it with
Firefox4, it won't open in Firefox4 .

Is the settings setup in Thunderbird>  Preferences>  Attachments ?   If
so How do I get the Firefox4 in Attachments ?


I think you should edit the default applications controls so that ff4 
will become your favorite browser.


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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[Andy Blanchard]

On 18 April 2011 16:42, Dante Conti  wrote:

> It was Fedora v6. RHEL was not offered as an OS option.
>

In that case they *really* ought to be named and shamed.  Fedora Core 6 was
released at the tail end of 2006!  That kind of OS age might be OK in
Microsoft shops where you get major releases every several years then a
sequence of Service Packs, but here in Linux-land with frequent incremental
releases that's almost akin to being carved onto stone tablets.

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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[Dante Conti]

It was Fedora v6. RHEL was not offered as an OS option.

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Andy Blanchard  wrote:
> On 18 April 2011 13:48, Tom Horsley  wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:07:33 +0100
>> Dave Cross wrote:
>>
>> > What kind of hosting company installs an operating system that has
>> > been unsupported for three years?
>>
>> One that has been in business for about 3 years and has just
>> been copying the original fedora 6 image they setup when
>> they started using the rote procedures the consultant they
>> hired at that time created?
>>
>
> This may be a dumb question, but since it hasn't actually come up yet...
> Are we *certain* the hosting company in question installed Fedora v6 and not
> the current release (also v6) of Red Hat Enterprise Linux?
>
> IIRC Fedora was still under the Red Hat banner at v6, so this could be a
> simple mix up by a sales droid or some other communication SNAFU.
> Especially so since RHN might be a much more appealing way of managing a
> large number of installs than rolling their own solution on Fedora for a web
> hosting company...
>
> What does the command "cat /etc/redhat-release" return?
>
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Open URL links from thunderbird - To open Firefox4

[james tate]

F14/KDE

Using Fedora 14 with Firefox4.

  If I click on a URL link in a Thunderbird email, to open it with 
Firefox4, it won't open in Firefox4 .

Is the settings setup in Thunderbird > Preferences > Attachments ?   If 
so How do I get the Firefox4 in Attachments ?
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Re: Mouse-wheel nudge left-right now generates key-presses, not buttons 6+7

[Daniel B. Thurman]

On 03/31/2011 04:58 AM, Neil Bird wrote:
>Since upgrading to Fedora 14 from 12, I'm seeing my wheel-mouse 
> generating the *key* presses  and  instead of the expected 
> button clicks  and .
>
>This means that while it still works in, say, Firefox (where  and 
>  scroll the current view), and I can move my caret left and right 
> (!), it won't work anywhere else like it used to (e.g., directory tree views).
>
>
>Any ideas how I can get the old functionality back?
>
> # xorg.conf snippet
> Section "InputDevice"
>  # generated from data in "/etc/sysconfig/mouse"
>  Identifier  "Mouse0"
>  Driver  "mouse"
>  Option  "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
>  Option  "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
>  Option  "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
>  Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
> EndSection
>
>
> # /etc/sysconfig/mouse
> FULLNAME="Generic - 3 Button Mouse (PS/2)"
> MOUSETYPE="imps2"
> XEMU3="no"
> XMOUSETYPE="IMPS/2"
> DEVICE=/dev/input/mice
>
I hope this thread is on-topic or at least related?

I am looking at F13 and /etc/sysconfig/mouse and
/etc/X11/xorg.conf does not exist but /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
does exist, but only one file: 00-system-setup-keyboard.conf
exist, and there is nothing related to the mouse, AFAIK?

What I am experiencing is, at least with Mozilla's Firefox
& Thunderbird, the mouse thumbwheel is behaving erratically
when scrolling past the "top" of the page or scrolling past
the "bottom" of the page (in FF & TB) and behaves as if the
next/previous buttons were pressed.

Is this related to changeover from the old xinput system
to the evdev system, as Tom Horsley mentioned in his
reply to this post?

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[389-users] Announcing 389 Directory Server version 1.2.8.2 Testing

[Rich Megginson]

The 389 Project team is pleased to announce the release of 
389-ds-base-1.2.8.2.  This release has fixes for bugs found in 1.2.8 
testing and bugs from earlier releases.

Installation

  yum install --enablerepo=updates-testing 389-ds
  # or for EPEL
  yum install --enablerepo=epel-testing 389-ds
  setup-ds-admin.pl

Upgrade

  yum upgrade --enablerepo=updates-testing 389-ds-base 
idm-console-framework 389-admin 389-ds-console 389-admin-console
  # or for EPEL
  yum upgrade --enablerepo=epel-testing 389-ds-base 
idm-console-framework 389-admin 389-ds-console 389-admin-console
  setup-ds-admin.pl -u

How to Give Feedback

The best way to provide feedback is via the Fedora Update system. Each 
update is broken down by package and platform. For example, if you are 
using Fedora 13, and you have successfully installed or upgraded all of 
the packages, and the console and etc. works, then go to the links below 
for Fedora 13 and provide feedback.

* EL-5 - https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/389-ds-base-1.2.8.2-1.el5
* Fedora 13 - 
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/389-ds-base-1.2.8.2-1.fc13
* Fedora 14 - 
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/389-ds-base-1.2.8.2-1.fc14
* Fedora 15 - 
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/389-ds-base-1.2.8.2-1.fc15

scroll down to the bottom of the page, and click on the Add a comment >> 
link

* select one of the Works for me or Does not work radio buttons, add 
text, and click on the Add Comment button

If you are using a build on another platform, just send us an email to 
389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Reporting Bugs

If you find a bug, or would like to see a new feature, you can enter it 
here - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=389

More Information
* Release Notes - http://port389.org/wiki/Release_Notes
* Install_Guide - http://port389.org/wiki/Install_Guide
* Download - http://port389.org/wiki/Download


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f14 inaccessible when configuring LDAP authentication (nsswitch.conf not working as expected?)

[Frantisek Hanzlik]

I want authentication against local openldap server. After several
unsuccessful attempts configure sssd I uninstall sssd-* stuff and
configure things with pam_ldap/nss_ldap (fortunately when not
installed sssd, then system-config-authentication seems configure
/etc/pam.d/* files correctly).
But my system behaves weirdly: When I have in /etc/nsswitch.conf
only "files" service lookup, all is OK. But when I specify passwd,
 shadow and group database as below:

#--- my "/etc/nsswitch.conf":
passwd: files ldap
shadow: files ldap
group:  files ldap
hosts:  files dns
bootparams: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files
ethers: files
netmasks:   files
networks:   files
protocols:  files
rpc:files
services:   files
netgroup:   files
publickey:  nisplus
automount:   files
aliases: files

then NSS (or PAM?) LDAP modules are accessed, which appears as local
accounts are ignored. For that behavior either will not start services
which run as non-root users (named, httpd,.. and unluckily openldap
server too :( ) - they stops at "runuser ..." commands in their start
scripts.

Can someone help with? Due to which things system may behave in this
manner?

When I slightly modify nsswitch.conf as:
passwd: files [SUCCESS=return] ldap
shadow: files [SUCCESS=return] ldap
group:  files [SUCCESS=return] ldap

then nothing changes. Grrr...

Thanks, Franta Hanzlik
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Postfix, procmail, and permissions

[Alex]

Hi,
I'm setting up a new fc14 system to use procmail and postfix, but
delivery fails with the following:

Apr 18 09:20:12 mail02t postfix/qmgr[8004]: 3FEA26003D:
from=, size=868, nrcpt=1 (queue
active)
Apr 18 09:20:12 mail02t postfix/local[8022]: 3FEA26003D:
to=, orig_to=, relay=local,
delay=0.26, delays=0.17/0.02/0/0.08, dsn=5.2.0, status=bounced (can't
create user output file. Command output: procmail: Couldn't create
"/var/spool/mail/nobody" )

Is procmail not configured with fedora to work by default? Does it
rely on postfix itself to do the delivery? If I keep the
mailbox_command commented out, it gets delivered properly. Is that how
users typically do it?

So procmail isn't suid root. Is that the recommended change for it to
be used as the delivery agent?

Thanks,
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Re: rsync from mirror - problem

[Genes MailLists]

On 04/18/2011 08:04 AM, Gabriel Ramirez wrote:

> and what filesystem have your server???

   ext3

> 
> maybe this parameter from man rsync helps you:
> 
> --modify-window
>When comparing two timestamps, rsync treats the 
> timestamps as  being equal  if they differ by no more than the 
> modify-window value.  This is normally 0 (for an exact match), but you 
> may find  it  useful  to set  this to a larger value in some situations. 
>   In particular, when transferring to or from an MS Windows FAT 
> filesystem  (which  represents times with a 2-second resolution), 
> --modify-window=1 is useful (allowing times to differ by up to 1 second).
> 
> I saw the above behaviour backing up a NTFS filesystem too (instead of FAT)
> 
> so try adding the parameter with =1 or =2 solve your problem,
> ...
> 

  Possibly - except if it was a time stamp issue - why would it delete
the file - that should trigger a check and the file contents would be
checksummed for each rsync block - it should not trigger a delete
followed by a download I wouldn't think.

  I did actually double check that ntp was working correctly and that
the time matched the correct time on http://www.time.gov/widget.html.

  I was worried about file system corruption - nothing in the logs
indicate a problem. Its a raid 5 config with 2 hot spares over 5 disks.

   Root/boot are on a different disk.


   Thanks for your thoughts ...
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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[Andy Blanchard]

On 18 April 2011 13:48, Tom Horsley  wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:07:33 +0100
> Dave Cross wrote:
>
> > What kind of hosting company installs an operating system that has
> > been unsupported for three years?
>
> One that has been in business for about 3 years and has just
> been copying the original fedora 6 image they setup when
> they started using the rote procedures the consultant they
> hired at that time created?
>
>
This may be a dumb question, but since it hasn't actually come up yet...
Are we *certain* the hosting company in question installed Fedora v6 and not
the current release (also v6) of Red Hat Enterprise Linux?

IIRC Fedora was still under the Red Hat banner at v6, so this could be a
simple mix up by a sales droid or some other communication SNAFU.
Especially so since RHN might be a much more appealing way of managing a
large number of installs than rolling their own solution on Fedora for a web
hosting company...

What does the command "cat /etc/redhat-release" return?

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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:07:33 +0100
Dave Cross wrote:

> What kind of hosting company installs an operating system that has
> been unsupported for three years?

One that has been in business for about 3 years and has just
been copying the original fedora 6 image they setup when
they started using the rote procedures the consultant they
hired at that time created?
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Re: Reasons for choosing Fedora over Debian

[Nikolaus Rath]

Roger  writes:
> Hi Nikolaus
>
> I'm thinking that you could make yourself a list of what apps you would
> like to have and another of what apps you really need to do your thing
> for both and compare. I have not found the problem you mention, of apps
> for one that are not on another.

I am not talking about apps, I am talking about things like:

- ability to install completely on LVM (including /boot)
- tracking of packages that were manually installed vs packages that
  were only installed to satisfy dependences
- 3-way merge of changed configuration files on package upgrade
- ability to do release upgrades live on a running system
- excellent automated grub2 setup (os-prober)

Nothing of this is really essential, but these are nice Debian features
that Fedora apparenttly doesn't have. Now I would like to know about
stuff comparable to this that Fedora has, but Debian hasn't (I'm sure
there are many).



Best,

   -Nikolaus

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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[Dante Conti]

Thanks, Dave. I have initiated the cancellation process, and the
vendor has informed me that I will receive the refund in 7-10 days. If
that happens, I don't think that I should name the company, and I hate
naming names, to begin with.

Best.

--Dante


On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Dave Cross  wrote:
> On 15 April 2011 21:38, Dante Conti  wrote:
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> Thank you for the quick answer. I know that Fedora 6 is very old (and
>> no longer supported), but -- amazingly -- this is what the hosting
>> provider just installed on the server.
>
> What kind of hosting company installs an operating system that has
> been unsupported for three years?
>
> I suggest you go back to them and insist they install a useful OS. It
> would also be helpful if you could name the company so that we could
> ensure that we avoid them in the future :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave...
>
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Re: Reasons for choosing Fedora over Debian

[Tom Horsley]

> But dual and triple boot with two drives is
> workable.

Actually a gazillion boot system with only one drive is workable:

I had about 17 different linuxes on a box at work, all sharing
a single small /boot partition by doing a dd command to copy
out one /boot and copy in another when I wanted to boot a different
linux (17 was where I ran out of space for root partitions on
the LVM I had all my roots in).
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RE: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

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Subject: Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 16:11 -0700, James McKenzie wrote:
> So, if I change the front door to my house, does that mean the toilet 
> stops working and I have to change my stove from Natural Gas to 
> Electric?  No.

Yes, if they're designed by Microsoft...

(Could not resist)

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Re: 2 questions

[Steve Searle]

Around 11:24am on Monday, April 18, 2011 (UK time), mattias scrawled:

> Exist gtkpod for fedora or must i compile?

It exists.

$ yum search gtkpod
...
gtkpod.x86_64 : Graphical song management program for Apple's iPod
...

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Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

[Tim]

On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 16:11 -0700, James McKenzie wrote:
> So, if I change the front door to my house, does that mean the toilet 
> stops working and I have to change my stove from Natural Gas to 
> Electric?  No.

Yes, if they're designed by Microsoft...

(Could not resist)

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Re: Reasons for choosing Fedora over Debian

[Joel Rees]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Nikolaus Rath  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have been using Ubuntu for a couple of years, and I am increasingly
> unhappy with it.

I must say I don't blame you.

I'd rather use Apple than Ubuntu, myself.

> I dislike the Ubuntu One integration, I think upstart
> is irritating, and I am sick of my bug reports vegetating forever in
> Launchpad. Therefore I want to switch distributions, and I have already
> narrowed it down to either Debian unstable or Fedora (but a release, not
> rawhide).

Cool.

I'm just beginning to pick up debian and play with it. (Working my way
through the holes in my Linux knowledge by preparing for the LPIC.)

> Unfortunately I have a hard time deciding between the two, because I am
> very much biased by the fact that I have already used Debian in the past
> and a lot of experience with it. So I invariably come up with random
> nice Debian features which then turn out not to exist in Fedora. But on
> the other hand, all the nice Fedora features that Debian can't offer are
> unknown to me.

I think, rather than not existing, they are done differently. (At
least, that's what I find looking the other direction.)

> Hence, to allow me to make a good decision, I would be very happy to
> hear about your favorite Fedora feature that I would totally miss if I
> went with Debian.

Hmm. How about a different question: How will you know what you are
missing if you just go with one or the other?

> Just to be clear: I am *not* interested in starting a Debian vs Fedora
> thread here. So am only asking for your pro-fedora points, so there
> shouldn't even be the possibility of a flamewar :-).

Several of the replies have suggested this, and I will join in. If you
have the time, dual-boot. Or triple.

Or, if you're like me, use two or three hard drives and quad+ boot.
(It gets a little hard to manage, but it can be done, especially if
you're willing to use monolithic file systems for distributions you're
just testing for a week or so. Also, if some of your OSses are BSDs,
those can slice up a single BIOS level partition as they like, so you
can have more per disk.)

TBH, I'm finding the third hard disk throws a bit of a wrench in the
works. Grub does have a bit of a hard time with two, and it just gets
worse with the third, especially when debian will use grub2 if you
don't tell it otherwise. But dual and triple boot with two drives is
workable.

Joel Rees
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Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)

[Dave Cross]

On 15 April 2011 21:38, Dante Conti  wrote:
> Hi Joe,
>
> Thank you for the quick answer. I know that Fedora 6 is very old (and
> no longer supported), but -- amazingly -- this is what the hosting
> provider just installed on the server.

What kind of hosting company installs an operating system that has
been unsupported for three years?

I suggest you go back to them and insist they install a useful OS. It
would also be helpful if you could name the company so that we could
ensure that we avoid them in the future :-)

Cheers,

Dave...

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Re: rsync from mirror - problem

[Gabriel Ramirez]

On 04/17/2011 08:33 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>
>   For the last couple of days or so - my mirror script (I tried a couple
> of mirror sites) seems to keep deleting everything and re-downloading
> each time it runs ...
>
>   Mirror script keeps a local copy from which I update all my machines
> here. It runs
>
>rsync -avz --delete --delete-excluded --hard-links
>
> along with a bunch of excludes.
>
>   Anyone else seeing these kind of problems or is it some weird
> filesystem bug on my server?

Hi,


and what filesystem have your server???

maybe this parameter from man rsync helps you:

--modify-window
   When comparing two timestamps, rsync treats the 
timestamps as  being equal  if they differ by no more than the 
modify-window value.  This is normally 0 (for an exact match), but you 
may find  it  useful  to set  this to a larger value in some situations. 
  In particular, when transferring to or from an MS Windows FAT 
filesystem  (which  represents times with a 2-second resolution), 
--modify-window=1 is useful (allowing times to differ by up to 1 second).

I saw the above behaviour backing up a NTFS filesystem too (instead of FAT)

so try adding the parameter with =1 or =2 solve your problem,

so I don't remember if the above behaviour is present when the two 
machines have differents time (one of them don't have a ntp running or 
it didn't work properly) (different timezone is fine but the time maybe 
isn't accurate in his respective timezone)

Gabriel
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Directory permission

[Triadi Krisnawan]

Dear Experts,
 
Please help me with my red hat linux problem.
I am sure this might be the easy for you guys.
 
I am managed to set up transfer protocol from my red hat linux to the unix 
machine via gFTP 2.0.17
When I tried to transfer the file accross, its always come with 
Error: Cannot open local file "/xxx//xxx.txt Permission denied
 
xxx is the directory path.
I've check one by one the directory and all of them has all permission 
read-write-executable for all owner, group and users
but why is it not able to transfer the file?
 
I've tried with chown command as well and it said the folder is omitted. What 
does that mean?
 
Please kindly help,
 
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2 questions

[mattias]

How to disable gnome-keyring becuase the screen reader orca dosen't liek the
password dialog
E.g when i connect to a lan 
And
Exist gtkpod for fedora or must i compile?

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Re: Oracle Gives OpenOffice back

[Fernando Cassia]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Bill Davidsen  wrote:
> Sounds as though the need for LibreOffice is about over,

There was never a "need" for LibreOffice. Only competing companies
wishing to wrest control of the project away from Oracle, like Novell
wanted to do for a long time to take control away from Sun. (Go-OO).

> we don't need two
> project if Oracle is serious about having letting OO go.

Nothing of what I read indicates this. What Oracle cancelled is
"Oracle Open Office" which was the new name given to StarOffice, the
commercial build of OpenOffice.org with the addition of propietary
plug-ins.

http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/applications/3275075/oracle-kills-off-commercial-edition-of-openofficeorg/

You know, the product that used to be described at
http://sun.com/staroffice and which redirected to this Oracle.com page

http://www.oracle.com/us/products/applications/open-office/open-office-170241.html

(and which now is gone)

Google Cache:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:apyVejeWkZUJ:www.oracle.com/us/products/applications/open-office/open-office-170241.html+oracle+open+office&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=seamonkey-a&source=www.google.com

> The people at LO are
> mostly former OO developers, so hopefully the projects could
> be unified.

Sun told me they had 100 paid developers working on
StarOffice/OpenOffice.org. At the time of the much-hyped "exodus" of
OpenOffice.org developers to "Libre" Office, the number of developers
"leaving" was quoted at around 30. So that means the "exodus" was only
one-third of the programming workforce, with 2/3 still employed by
Oracle.

Will Oracle lay off its 60 OpenOffice.org developers and cancel the
OpenOffice.org project? nothing of what I read indicates that, just
that they cancelled "Oracle Open Office", the commercial product
(StarOffice).

It´s the dumb ass reporting which confuses "Oracle Open Office" with
OpenOffice.org ...

FC
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Re: Reasons for choosing Fedora over Debian

[Andrew Haley]

On 17/04/11 02:37, JD wrote:
> 
> Keep in mind that all the developers have regular jobs besides
> hacking linux,

Not all of them.  :-)

> so they are not there to jump at our beck and call.

That's true, though.

Andrew.

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Re: Oracle Gives OpenOffice back

[Alan Cox]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 20:10:06 -0400
Bill Davidsen  wrote:

> Sounds as though the need for LibreOffice is about over, we don't need two 
> project if Oracle is serious about having letting OO go. The people at LO are 
> mostly former OO developers, so hopefully the projects could be unified.

Yes they probably will be - the remaining OO developers will join LO.

> FOSS is like archery, it's good to have all the wood behind the arrowhead.

Only if the arrow is heading in the right direction.

Alan
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