Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
HI Kevin, Well, yes - if we have this already in system - I won't lose it again this opportunity. We all of the ambassadors have the SIP number on our business card, and if I give it away - then I (we) would like to use it. There is only 2 question has left: The first - most of us has an mobile phone, and mobile handset - is there any java based SIP client that can be binded with my Fedora? Second one - this has the same capabilities as Asterisk? CU, Zoltan PS: I would like to update the wiki, with this info, 2011/5/12 Kevin Fenzi : > On Thu, 12 May 2011 13:16:47 +0200 > Zoltan Hoppar wrote: > >> Well guys, >> >> After we prefer freedom, and much easier to you and make meetings in >> voice, and skype has been bought by MS We have an opportunity to >> all fedora users keep contacted with each other. >> I really would like to see an hassle free opportunity instead of >> fighting with google talk/empathy/decoders and this renew can be our >> glue inside the community. Also I think this phone server can be our >> podcaster, and an tool not just for us users, else mentors, and >> between other communities. I think it's time to expand this to other >> distros, and let it cooperating with others through this, and we don't >> need anymore skype. I know that one is still an closed network, and >> many of our contact has been stayed because there are no other >> possibility. >> >> So anything that I could do for this, to be resurrected - I'll be >> here. Let it be the newest feature for F16, an be promoted as a >> possibility, and we don't need skype at all. > > Yes, fedora talk has been retired. > > It was not used very much at all, and didn't have any interested folks > willing to fix it and maintain it moving forward. ;( > > I'd suggest looking instead at Sip Witch: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SIP_Witch_Domain_Telephony > (added as a feature in f13) > > This basically allows you to run your own sip server and let others > connect to it to talk to you. > > kevin > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > -- PGP: 06853DF7 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Does the Asus Xonar DG sound card work well in F14?
On 05/12/2011 07:29 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > I found the Asus Xonar DG[1] for a decent price but it uses the > CMI8786 which is supported in alsa 1.0.24 (which I have) OR kernel > 2.6.38, which I don't. I'm really hoping the OR is right and it's not > supposed to be an AND. ALSA libs are separate from the kernel modules. Even though your libs are 1.0.24 your kernel modules are not. You will still need the newer kernel for complete support. You could run a F15 kernel on your F14 system, or go ahead and upgrade to F15. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 23:33, Fernando Cassia wrote: > So... the only difference will be if you get the freeware binary from > Java.com, or the OpenJDK release from your favourite package > manager... > > AFAIK "IcedTea" only includes a free implementation of the browser > plug-in glue, and Java Web Start, which were not included as part of > OpenJDK. > > FC Second thought: JITSI (formerly known as SIP communicator) makes use of native code for certain routines (surely having to do with webcam support and audio, to avoid the mess that was Java Media Framework (JMF)). You should ask in the Jitsi-developer mailing list, I´m sure they´ll be more than happy to help get Jitsi built smoothtly for Fedora repos using OpenJDK. http://www.jitsi.org/index.php/Documentation/FAQ#ml-subscribe FC -- "Tools are a way to amplify our senses so that we can expand our reach in order to expropiate space, compress time, and secure ourselves. A gun extends the power of our throwing arms. An automobile is an extension of our legs. Computers amplify our memories". - T.E.D. "Space Time, and Modernity" J. Rifkin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:48, Richard Shaw wrote: > > No review requests but I think I know why, it appears to be dependent > on Sun Java, I'm not sure if it will work with Iced Tea... This could > get interesting. OpenJDK is, for all intents and purpoes, Sun JRE. In fact, the differences should be minimum. And when JDK7 is released in a few weeks, the final code will be contributed back to OpenJDK (in fact, one can get an OpenJDK v7 now, although the code is not finished). So... the only difference will be if you get the freeware binary from Java.com, or the OpenJDK release from your favourite package manager... AFAIK "IcedTea" only includes a free implementation of the browser plug-in glue, and Java Web Start, which were not included as part of OpenJDK. FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Does the Asus Xonar DG sound card work well in F14?
I'm having issues with my builtin audio. At first I thought it was the new speakers I bought. I know they're not quite as my Cambridge Soundworks but the external 5.1 decoder is having issues so I figured it was time. I hear a high tinny noise and assumed it was the cheap amplifier but after plugging in some old but nice SGI headphones I still heard it. To that end I'm in the market for an inexpensive sound card but don't want to go too cheap and get something equivalent to my onboard audio. I found the Asus Xonar DG[1] for a decent price but it uses the CMI8786 which is supported in alsa 1.0.24 (which I have) OR kernel 2.6.38, which I don't. I'm really hoping the OR is right and it's not supposed to be an AND. Interestingly enough this chip doesn't appear to have internal volume controls so I'll have to rely on PulseAudio. Anyone have this card working (well)? Even though it's not a big investment I'd like to know someone has it working. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: >> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >>> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 18:54, Marko Vojinovic wrote: Thus the question: is there a FOSS VoIP app that provides roughly the same quality, reliability and free-as-in-beer service? >>> >>> I´ve been lately becoming a fan of "Jitsi". It´s an open source client >>> that does SIP VOIP (including video), Google Talk, Jabber, AIM, ICQ, >>> and Facebook chat, all in one. >>> >>> Plus, I can configure it with my local SIP VOIP service, and take >>> calls from the phone network with a local number (and make calls as >>> well). >>> >>> http://jitsi.org/index.php/Main/Download >> >> Do you (or anyone) know if someone has volunteered to make an official >> Fedora package? I might volunteer if no one else has... >> >> I'll check for a review request in bugzilla. > > No review requests but I think I know why, it appears to be dependent > on Sun Java, I'm not sure if it will work with Iced Tea... This could > get interesting. I got it to compile with the free java but the install is manual (no "make install" or equivalent) and I compared the output of the build to the files in the provided generic RPM and there's quite a few missing. I guess I could pull them from the generic RPM but that would get messy. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
On Wednesday, May 11, 2011 01:03:56 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/11/2011 08:32 AM, James McKenzie wrote: > > There iS No Such Thing As A Free Lunch (TSNTAAFL). > > And that is Yet Another Way to mangle a perfectly good acronym: There > *Ain't* No Such Thing As A Free Lunch (TANSTAAFL). Bob Heinlein knew > what he was doing; second-guessing him just messes things up. And as much as I enjoy reading Heinlein and Niven, the term predates them both. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Ethereal Replacement?
> Is there some replacement for the old ethereal program? Wireshark. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Ethereal Replacement?
Richard Heck wrote: > Is there some replacement for the old ethereal program? Yes, it was just renamed back in 2006. # yum install wireshark-gnome -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Ethereal Replacement?
Is there some replacement for the old ethereal program? Thanks, Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora14 is filling up my HDD without a reason
On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 18:33 +0100, mike cloaked wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > > > BTW, another way to share repo downloads is by creating a local repo and > > updating it first, then the other machines on the local network. > > > > You can of course have a local repo - though that will likely use a > lot more disk space and downloads than simply sharing the cached rpms I didn't mean a local copy of everything, but a cached copy of those packages actually in use, configured as a repo (or to put it another way, a repo created from the yum package cache). I should mention that I've never bothered trying this. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: ***BULK*** Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Steve Underwood wrote: > On 05/12/2011 09:10 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: >> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >>> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 18:54, Marko Vojinovic wrote: Thus the question: is there a FOSS VoIP app that provides roughly the same quality, reliability and free-as-in-beer service? >>> I´ve been lately becoming a fan of "Jitsi". It´s an open source client >>> that does SIP VOIP (including video), Google Talk, Jabber, AIM, ICQ, >>> and Facebook chat, all in one. >>> >>> Plus, I can configure it with my local SIP VOIP service, and take >>> calls from the phone network with a local number (and make calls as >>> well). >>> >>> http://jitsi.org/index.php/Main/Download >> Do you (or anyone) know if someone has volunteered to make an official >> Fedora package? I might volunteer if no one else has... >> >> I'll check for a review request in bugzilla. >> >> Richard > There were Fedora RPMs for it under its old name - SIP Communicator. Can't find anything now, at least on F14... Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora14 is filling up my HDD without a reason
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > BTW, another way to share repo downloads is by creating a local repo and > updating it first, then the other machines on the local network. > You can of course have a local repo - though that will likely use a lot more disk space and downloads than simply sharing the cached rpms -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: ***BULK*** Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
On 05/12/2011 09:10 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 18:54, Marko Vojinovic wrote: >>> Thus the question: is there a FOSS VoIP app that provides roughly the same >>> quality, reliability and free-as-in-beer service? >> I´ve been lately becoming a fan of "Jitsi". It´s an open source client >> that does SIP VOIP (including video), Google Talk, Jabber, AIM, ICQ, >> and Facebook chat, all in one. >> >> Plus, I can configure it with my local SIP VOIP service, and take >> calls from the phone network with a local number (and make calls as >> well). >> >> http://jitsi.org/index.php/Main/Download > Do you (or anyone) know if someone has volunteered to make an official > Fedora package? I might volunteer if no one else has... > > I'll check for a review request in bugzilla. > > Richard There were Fedora RPMs for it under its old name - SIP Communicator. Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 18:54, Marko Vojinovic wrote: >>> >>> Thus the question: is there a FOSS VoIP app that provides roughly the same >>> quality, reliability and free-as-in-beer service? >> >> I´ve been lately becoming a fan of "Jitsi". It´s an open source client >> that does SIP VOIP (including video), Google Talk, Jabber, AIM, ICQ, >> and Facebook chat, all in one. >> >> Plus, I can configure it with my local SIP VOIP service, and take >> calls from the phone network with a local number (and make calls as >> well). >> >> http://jitsi.org/index.php/Main/Download > > Do you (or anyone) know if someone has volunteered to make an official > Fedora package? I might volunteer if no one else has... > > I'll check for a review request in bugzilla. No review requests but I think I know why, it appears to be dependent on Sun Java, I'm not sure if it will work with Iced Tea... This could get interesting. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
On Thu, 12 May 2011 13:16:47 +0200 Zoltan Hoppar wrote: > Well guys, > > After we prefer freedom, and much easier to you and make meetings in > voice, and skype has been bought by MS We have an opportunity to > all fedora users keep contacted with each other. > I really would like to see an hassle free opportunity instead of > fighting with google talk/empathy/decoders and this renew can be our > glue inside the community. Also I think this phone server can be our > podcaster, and an tool not just for us users, else mentors, and > between other communities. I think it's time to expand this to other > distros, and let it cooperating with others through this, and we don't > need anymore skype. I know that one is still an closed network, and > many of our contact has been stayed because there are no other > possibility. > > So anything that I could do for this, to be resurrected - I'll be > here. Let it be the newest feature for F16, an be promoted as a > possibility, and we don't need skype at all. Yes, fedora talk has been retired. It was not used very much at all, and didn't have any interested folks willing to fix it and maintain it moving forward. ;( I'd suggest looking instead at Sip Witch: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SIP_Witch_Domain_Telephony (added as a feature in f13) This basically allows you to run your own sip server and let others connect to it to talk to you. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora14 is filling up my HDD without a reason
On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 15:16 +0100, mike cloaked wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > > > I haven't tried other options such as "yum clean headers" or "yum clean > > dbcache". I also have a 1Mbps connection and re-downloading all those > > package files is painful, especially as the files themselves are never > > the source of the problem. > > One option is to rsync the files in /var/lib/cache/* to another local > machine or local disk/backup - and then if you have this kind of issue > you can copy the rpm files back to the appropriate directory within > /var/lib/cache, hence saving the download from the server out in the > big wide world. > > In fact where there are several machine all running say f14 it makes > sense to rsync the cache files from one machine to another before > doing the yum update - that way although the metadata will be > refreshed then the rpm files are already in place and the update can > go ahead without the need for any download at all from the external > server. Hence if you have say 5 machines and you download the updates > on the first machine - then rsync to the others then when the other > machines do their own yum updates they will only need to download any > rpms that the first machine does not have in its package set. > > So when there are say 200MiB of rpms, then you would save 800MiB of > additional duplicate downloads - which does certainly help with > bandwidth limits from your isp, it helps avoid overloading the mirror > server, and it save pots of coffee brewing time and makes life less > stressed as an additional bonus! Yes, I get all that. My point was really that I virtually never need to use "clean all" so the issue doesn't really arise for me (and my other Fedora machine is a 686 netbook so I can't share many rpms in any case). BTW, another way to share repo downloads is by creating a local repo and updating it first, then the other machines on the local network. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora14 is filling up my HDD without a reason
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I haven't tried other options such as "yum clean headers" or "yum clean > dbcache". I also have a 1Mbps connection and re-downloading all those > package files is painful, especially as the files themselves are never > the source of the problem. One option is to rsync the files in /var/lib/cache/* to another local machine or local disk/backup - and then if you have this kind of issue you can copy the rpm files back to the appropriate directory within /var/lib/cache, hence saving the download from the server out in the big wide world. In fact where there are several machine all running say f14 it makes sense to rsync the cache files from one machine to another before doing the yum update - that way although the metadata will be refreshed then the rpm files are already in place and the update can go ahead without the need for any download at all from the external server. Hence if you have say 5 machines and you download the updates on the first machine - then rsync to the others then when the other machines do their own yum updates they will only need to download any rpms that the first machine does not have in its package set. So when there are say 200MiB of rpms, then you would save 800MiB of additional duplicate downloads - which does certainly help with bandwidth limits from your isp, it helps avoid overloading the mirror server, and it save pots of coffee brewing time and makes life less stressed as an additional bonus! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora14 is filling up my HDD without a reason
On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 20:46 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > I have had my cache clogged on occasion, preventing security updates > from downloading, which is why I tend to use the clean all option. On the (rare) occasions I've had yum acting up, "yum clean metadata" fixes it well over 90% of the time. And if it doesn't I can still follow up with "yum clean all", but the last time I did that was several years ago. I haven't tried other options such as "yum clean headers" or "yum clean dbcache". I also have a 1Mbps connection and re-downloading all those package files is painful, especially as the files themselves are never the source of the problem. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 18:54, Marko Vojinovic wrote: >> >> Thus the question: is there a FOSS VoIP app that provides roughly the same >> quality, reliability and free-as-in-beer service? > > I´ve been lately becoming a fan of "Jitsi". It´s an open source client > that does SIP VOIP (including video), Google Talk, Jabber, AIM, ICQ, > and Facebook chat, all in one. > > Plus, I can configure it with my local SIP VOIP service, and take > calls from the phone network with a local number (and make calls as > well). > > http://jitsi.org/index.php/Main/Download Do you (or anyone) know if someone has volunteered to make an official Fedora package? I might volunteer if no one else has... I'll check for a review request in bugzilla. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora14 is filling up my HDD without a reason
On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 20:46 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > Yesterday's metadata: 15M > Yesterday's downloads: 90M > > 17% additional bandwidth burden. > > Today, no downloads, so it would be nothing but overhead. > > I'm not sure, since the mirrors I usually connect to are on gigabit > pipes (and my pipe is limited at 1Mbit), that 15 Megabytes (in about a > minute and a half) three or four times a week constiutes an > unreasonable burden on the infrastructure. Multiplied by all the other people who would do the same... Let's not just consider /that/ server, but whether every server was overburdened by lots of users needlessly adding to their traffic. > I have had my cache clogged on occasion, preventing security updates > from downloading, which is why I tend to use the clean all option. Though, rarely does the fault actually require the brute force "all" option. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
Tim: >> It'd been my observation that most parallel ports were very >> non-standard. There were different modes of operation, and many were >> only suitable for connecting a printer (they were an output, only). J.Witvliet: > Most paralel ports on those vintage machines were capable of both rx > and tx Allthough they could not transfer 8-bits wide. Typically, by using the handshaking lines as inputs, rather than the data lines as inputs and outputs, like they should do... Which lead to strange uses and special hardware being the only way to use them as a parallel I/O port. Even for use with a printer, you found you had to fiddle around with BIOS, or other configuration controls, to be able to use some parallel printers, properly, with your computer. In this situation, at least the Amiga did let you use the port as a proper parallel port. 'were the PCs of the day playing annoying games with hobbled ports. I just wish modern computer designers could learn from the mistakes of the past, and not make them again. e.g. Crappy proprietary connectors on old equipment, and copying the mistakes with finicky and fragile connectors on new equipment (miniature firewire ports, dubious plastic SATA ports, etc.). -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 and Gnome X
On 05/12/2011 12:55 PM, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: > On 05/12/2011 12:52 PM, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: >> On 05/12/2011 11:46 AM, Dario Lesca wrote: >>> I want use Fedora + Gnome, but also ... >>> >>> I want put my files and folder on my desktop... >>> Put the launcher icons on my panels or into my tray. >>> I want to see the applications that I have started and are on different >>> desktops, without always move the mouse in a corner >>> I want >>> >> >> You may find the following extensions useful: >> >> http://intgat.tigress.co.uk/rmy/extensions/index.html >> > > And gnome-tweak-tool for enabling desktop icons, available in F15 repo > (yum install gnome-tweak-tool or use PackageKit). > And forgot to say that you should use test@l.f.o list for F15 related issues, users@l.f.o is for end users (F13/F14). -- Athmane Madjoudj RHCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 and Gnome X
On 05/12/2011 12:52 PM, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: > On 05/12/2011 11:46 AM, Dario Lesca wrote: >> I want use Fedora + Gnome, but also ... >> >> I want put my files and folder on my desktop... >> Put the launcher icons on my panels or into my tray. >> I want to see the applications that I have started and are on different >> desktops, without always move the mouse in a corner >> I want >> > > You may find the following extensions useful: > > http://intgat.tigress.co.uk/rmy/extensions/index.html > And gnome-tweak-tool for enabling desktop icons, available in F15 repo (yum install gnome-tweak-tool or use PackageKit). -- Athmane Madjoudj RHCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 and Gnome X
On 05/12/2011 11:46 AM, Dario Lesca wrote: > I want use Fedora + Gnome, but also ... > > I want put my files and folder on my desktop... > Put the launcher icons on my panels or into my tray. > I want to see the applications that I have started and are on different > desktops, without always move the mouse in a corner > I want > You may find the following extensions useful: http://intgat.tigress.co.uk/rmy/extensions/index.html HTH -- Athmane Madjoudj RHCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora14 is filling up my HDD without a reason
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Tim wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan: >>> You already did that using "yum clean all". Note that "yum clean >>> packages" would probably have freed almost as much space without >>> removing yum metadata, which is why I suggested it earlier. > > Joel Rees: >> Good point. >> >> I personally like to avoid stale metadata, so I tend not to think >> beyond the "all" option, but the metadata will be necessary as soon as >> Aradnix needs to do even a yum info, so it's space that's not really >> freed even if it's freed. > > Not to mention that, barring faults, it's taken care of automatically. > If you don't need to renew the data, it's not renewed. And it will be > refreshed when it needs it. So, other than when fixing an actual > problem with your caching of data, it's a waste of time and bandwidth > (yours, and every mirror's) to manually fiddle with it. Yesterday's metadata: 15M Yesterday's downloads: 90M 17% additional bandwidth burden. Today, no downloads, so it would be nothing but overhead. I'm not sure, since the mirrors I usually connect to are on gigabit pipes (and my pipe is limited at 1Mbit), that 15 Megabytes (in about a minute and a half) three or four times a week constiutes an unreasonable burden on the infrastructure. I have had my cache clogged on occasion, preventing security updates from downloading, which is why I tend to use the clean all option. Joel Rees -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 08:12:21 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:08, Zoltan Hoppar wrote: > > to use our Fedora SIP inside at FAS, right? > > How can I acitvate this? > > Cu > > Zoltan > > > > Hi Zoltan, > > Sorry I don´t get what you mean. What is "our Fedora SIP" and what is FAS? Fedora ran an asterisk server that accepted inbound SIP connections from contributors and could forward calls to contributors who ran SIP clients that were registered with the server. There were also a few inbound numbers for accepting inbound calls from normal phones. This system provided conference calls and could record them. I used this system to participate in a couple of FADs and tried using it for the Community Gaming experiment. The usgage of the system was very low though and didn't justify the cost. It would have been nice for FUDCONs, but people didn't plan ahead for its use and it didn't get used much. If people wanted to make remote participation in FUDCONs useful, some sort of live streaming of the on site discussions really needs to be done. IRC can't keep up without dropping a lot. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
Hi Fernando, Due to less promoting of this fine service (talk.fedoraproject.org), and many of us has only heard about this at Fudcon Zurich by Jarred an asterisk demonstration - there was an opportunity to use your Fedora account system (FAS) registration to call anybody if it's has been registered and activated an SIP account inside. Zoltan 2011/5/12 Fernando Cassia : > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:08, Zoltan Hoppar wrote: >> to use our Fedora SIP inside at FAS, right? >> How can I acitvate this? >> Cu >> Zoltan >> > > Hi Zoltan, > > Sorry I don´t get what you mean. What is "our Fedora SIP" and what is FAS? > > FC > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > -- PGP: 06853DF7 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to remove a directory which has other directories in it?
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Varuna Seneviratna wrote: >[...] > If you want to delete the fodler with its contents, do the following as root > > rm -rf folder_name > > This will delete everything. > Just an after thought - if you want the system to ask for confirmation > before deleting, leave out 'f' in the command above -f is for "force" Depends on environmnt variables. Add -i to make sure that it asks. -i is for "interactive". (IIRC, the manual is your friend) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: fed 15 beta + gnome 3 works nice, but ...
Il giorno mar, 26/04/2011 alle 18.11 -0400, Tom H ha scritto: > +1 +1 > And Unity's not much better in this regard. But on Ubuntu it's possible to choose to use Unity or Gnome 2 -- Dario Lesca -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Fedora 15 and Gnome X
I want use Fedora + Gnome, but also ... I want put my files and folder on my desktop... Put the launcher icons on my panels or into my tray. I want to see the applications that I have started and are on different desktops, without always move the mouse in a corner I want then: on F15, It's possible install Gnome 2 ? or configure gnome 3 so do all this? Many thanks -- Dario Lesca -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
Well guys, After we prefer freedom, and much easier to you and make meetings in voice, and skype has been bought by MS We have an opportunity to all fedora users keep contacted with each other. I really would like to see an hassle free opportunity instead of fighting with google talk/empathy/decoders and this renew can be our glue inside the community. Also I think this phone server can be our podcaster, and an tool not just for us users, else mentors, and between other communities. I think it's time to expand this to other distros, and let it cooperating with others through this, and we don't need anymore skype. I know that one is still an closed network, and many of our contact has been stayed because there are no other possibility. So anything that I could do for this, to be resurrected - I'll be here. Let it be the newest feature for F16, an be promoted as a possibility, and we don't need skype at all. Cu, Zoltan 2011/5/12 Rick Sewill : > On Thursday, May 12, 2011 02:08:56 AM Zoltan Hoppar wrote: >> HI Fernando, >> >> Yesterday night I have tried out your suggestion, and works >> surprisingly well. By the way, a far as I know there is an possibility >> to use our Fedora SIP inside at FAS, right? > > Please correct me if I am wrong, > but I am under the impression Fedora talk has been "retired". > > Please see URL: > https://insight.fedoraproject.org/content/kevin-fenzi-fedora-talk-first-static- > then-silence-talkfedoraprojectorg-closing-2011-05-05 > > If Fedora talk has indeed, been retired, > could someone update the wiki and other references to Fedora Talk? > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > -- PGP: 06853DF7 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:08, Zoltan Hoppar wrote: > to use our Fedora SIP inside at FAS, right? > How can I acitvate this? > Cu > Zoltan > Hi Zoltan, Sorry I don´t get what you mean. What is "our Fedora SIP" and what is FAS? FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
On Thursday, May 12, 2011 02:08:56 AM Zoltan Hoppar wrote: > HI Fernando, > > Yesterday night I have tried out your suggestion, and works > surprisingly well. By the way, a far as I know there is an possibility > to use our Fedora SIP inside at FAS, right? Please correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression Fedora talk has been "retired". Please see URL: https://insight.fedoraproject.org/content/kevin-fenzi-fedora-talk-first-static- then-silence-talkfedoraprojectorg-closing-2011-05-05 If Fedora talk has indeed, been retired, could someone update the wiki and other references to Fedora Talk? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:21 AM To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype? On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 19:46 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > The Amiga and Apple computers were paramount. > > In fact, even the parallel port in the Amiga is non-standard, although > it is a DB25. It'd been my observation that most parallel ports were very non-standard. There were different modes of operation, and many were only suitable for connecting a printer (they were an output, only). -Original Message- Slightly off-topic, Most paralel ports on those vintage machines were capable of both rx and tx Allthough they could not transfer 8-bits wide. Hence the lap-link protocol disected each byte into two nibbles. Might seem slow, but anyway much faster than async at 19.200 bps which was often the highest reliable speed. hw __ Dit bericht kan informatie bevatten die niet voor u is bestemd. Indien u niet de geadresseerde bent of dit bericht abusievelijk aan u is toegezonden, wordt u verzocht dat aan de afzender te melden en het bericht te verwijderen. De Staat aanvaardt geen aansprakelijkheid voor schade, van welke aard ook, die verband houdt met risico's verbonden aan het elektronisch verzenden van berichten. This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you are not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you are requested to inform the sender and delete the message. The State accepts no liability for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent in the electronic transmission of messages. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F14: after kernel update, can't boot (from software RAID)
Around about 11/05/11 23:29, Adrian Sevcenco typed ... > did you, by any chance, patched your mkinitrd to support md_dX? > (partitionable raid1)? Nope, it all “just worked” before. [edit: no it didn't see below] I will own up to having done something slightly non-standard recently: I have a completely new box, as of a couple of months ago, and that's the one RAIDed. I cloned my old box's root drive (and other partitions) onto this new box, set up grub appropriately to boot, and went from there. What I had installed (Fedora 14) for the old box was happy enough to work on the new box with RAID enabled. I don't remember whether I've done a kernel update since then (i.e., whether I've generated a working initramfs from within this box). From the timings of it, I think I must have done, but I couldn't swear to it. OK, just checked, and no: the working kernel was installed prior to the switch over. and in actual fact, the current working initramfs is *not* the same as the one I had before, so it must *not* have 'just worked' (that's my memory for you). I suspect I copied the working initramfs from a virgin install I tried on the new box in order to get it to work. Hmm. I'll have to unpack the original initramfs (I kept a copy) and the current one to determine the differences. Where does mkinitrd get the info. it needs to put the right stuff into the initramfs? -- [neil@fnx ~]# rm -f .signature [neil@fnx ~]# ls -l .signature ls: .signature: No such file or directory [neil@fnx ~]# exit -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F14: after kernel update, can't boot (from software RAID)
Around about 11/05/11 22:18, Alain Spineux typed ... > # mkinitrd -f /boot/initramfs-2.6.35.11-83.fc14.i686.img > 2.6.35.11-83.fc14.i686 > some version of mkinitrd in the past where not handling raid very well. > Good luck OK, thanks, I'll give that a try over the weekend. -- [neil@fnx ~]# rm -f .signature [neil@fnx ~]# ls -l .signature ls: .signature: No such file or directory [neil@fnx ~]# exit -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Strange SD Card Issue
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 16:58 -0700, Frank Tanner III wrote: > I suspect that it is a driver issue. Unfortunately, I can't think of > a way to test that at the moment since I don't want to reload this box > with Windows to test that theory. One of the Live CDs? (Boot the computer from a CD, and run it from the CD, no installation required.) -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
[389-users] upgrading to multimaster
Hi, what is the simpliest way to upgrade a master-slave replica with 4 slaves to a 4way multi-master replica, with no, or with the less service downtime? -- Karoly CZOVEK Global Systems Administrator MoveOne IT Department Eastern Europe - Balkans - CIS& Central Asia - Middle East& Africa - Asia Pacific phone: +36 1 266 0181 - ext.6710 mobile: +36 70 708 9953 skype: mo_karoly.czovek email: karoly.czo...@moveoneinc.com web: http://www.moveoneinc.com -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 19:46 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > The Amiga and Apple computers were paramount. > > In fact, even the parallel port in the Amiga is non-standard, although > it is a DB25. It'd been my observation that most parallel ports were very non-standard. There were different modes of operation, and many were only suitable for connecting a printer (they were an output, only). Though, the usual wiring to connect a printer to computer was usually the same on most computers. It were the extra pins that different. My Amiga had a really annoying aspect to its parallel port, one of the pins shared with the ring indicator signal from the serial port. > For Video, they used a 23-pin db25-like connector... so people > creating adapters at home had to use a DB25 female connector and saw > off two pins in one end... > The 23-pin connector is unusual, but not unobtainable. It was also used in other places, particularly with equipment with numerous multi-pin connectors (they'd use different pin numbers and genders, so that plugs could only be connected to the right sockets). Various home computers fail the general design credo of not putting voltages on exposed pins. Not that there's a dangerous voltage on them, but the pins are exposed to being easily short circuited, and the equipment often couldn't tolerate that. They're also easily physically damaged. Then there's the connectors that are wired up to highly static-sensitive electronics, without any precautions against it. And circuitry that doesn't survive hot-plugging. Or circular connectors with weak pins that get bent off by people rotating the plug around until it fits... -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
Hi guys, Is there a perfect setup or description where we could set up an Asterisk under Fedora? Our FPL wasn't worked at Digium? Cu, Zoltan 2011/5/12 Zoltan Hoppar : > HI Fernando, > > Yesterday night I have tried out your suggestion, and works > surprisingly well. By the way, a far as I know there is an possibility > to use our Fedora SIP inside at FAS, right? > > How can I acitvate this? > > Cu, > > Zoltan > > 2011/5/12 Fernando Cassia : >> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 21:01, JD wrote: >>> Plus, I can configure it with my local SIP VOIP service, and take >>> You mean like Vonage or MagicJack? >>> >>> Has anyone heard of lingo (http://www.lingo.com/) >>> voip provider? >>> What is/was your experience with them? >> >> Exactly, SIP is an open protocol. So that means that you can use any >> VOIP "softphone" that you want (or a hardware terminal with RJ11 >> output sockets to plug an analog phone) >> >> Basically any SIP connection (hardware or software) needs 3 parameters: >> >> Your SIP User name >> Your SIP password >> the SIP server providing you service. >> >> I´m based in Argentina so for local calls I use a local SIP provider, >> which provides me with a local Buenos Aires number +54 11 ... >> (www.metrotel.com.ar) >> >> But with JITSI I can have several SIP accounts logged in at once with >> phone numbers around the globe (like a local US number, another in UK, >> etc) for inbound calls. >> >> Here´s some: >> http://www.mydivert.com/buy_telephone_numbers/41_UnitedKingdom_numbers. >> http://www.mydivert.com/buy_telephone_numbers/42_USA_numbers.html >> >> I´m sure if you Google around you´ll be able to find many options for >> SIP telephony. Also, it´s possible to do IP-to-IP SIP calls without a >> monthly fee. >> >> http://www.ipkall.com/ >> http://www.callcentric.com/ >> FC >> -- >> users mailing list >> users@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> > > > > -- > PGP: 06853DF7 > -- PGP: 06853DF7 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
HI Fernando, Yesterday night I have tried out your suggestion, and works surprisingly well. By the way, a far as I know there is an possibility to use our Fedora SIP inside at FAS, right? How can I acitvate this? Cu, Zoltan 2011/5/12 Fernando Cassia : > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 21:01, JD wrote: >> Plus, I can configure it with my local SIP VOIP service, and take >> You mean like Vonage or MagicJack? >> >> Has anyone heard of lingo (http://www.lingo.com/) >> voip provider? >> What is/was your experience with them? > > Exactly, SIP is an open protocol. So that means that you can use any > VOIP "softphone" that you want (or a hardware terminal with RJ11 > output sockets to plug an analog phone) > > Basically any SIP connection (hardware or software) needs 3 parameters: > > Your SIP User name > Your SIP password > the SIP server providing you service. > > I´m based in Argentina so for local calls I use a local SIP provider, > which provides me with a local Buenos Aires number +54 11 ... > (www.metrotel.com.ar) > > But with JITSI I can have several SIP accounts logged in at once with > phone numbers around the globe (like a local US number, another in UK, > etc) for inbound calls. > > Here´s some: > http://www.mydivert.com/buy_telephone_numbers/41_UnitedKingdom_numbers. > http://www.mydivert.com/buy_telephone_numbers/42_USA_numbers.html > > I´m sure if you Google around you´ll be able to find many options for > SIP telephony. Also, it´s possible to do IP-to-IP SIP calls without a > monthly fee. > > http://www.ipkall.com/ > http://www.callcentric.com/ > FC > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > -- PGP: 06853DF7 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
