Re: [389-users] help with 'no such attribute' error?
On 11/02/2011 03:49 PM, brandon wrote: So I'm hoping somebody can assist with a confusing problem I am having. I am running 389-ds-1.2.1-1. What platform? What version of 389-ds-base? I have nodes in a subtree where I am unable to modify the userPassword attribute through perl-LDAP, but I can through the 389-console. However, this same exact perl-LDAP code /can/ make changes to objects in a different subtree (works in ou=People, fails in ou=Special Users). The perl script uses an administrative account to make the changes (admin in ou=Administrators,ou=TopologyManagement,o=NetscapeRoot), which should have access to the entire tree. ACI's on the subtrees are identical, I have even compared them in the ldif export of the tree. The commit works if I use ldapmodify (same user/password), it works if I do it with 389-console, but it fails when I use perl-LDAP. I am current on perl-LDAP as well. The only reason I am still poking at the directory server, is because the directory server is returning the 'no such attribute' error 16, even in the logfiles. Is there any way to get some more .. readable logs from the directory server? Start with the access log. This will tell you your bind identity and the operations invoked by the client. It won't give the exact modify arguments for modify operations - use the errorlog level 4 (ARGS) for that - see http://directory.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ#Troubleshooting (4 Heavy trace output debugging). Is there a way to filter the ds logs, perhaps? Specify that logs regarding specific nodes are sent at different levels? I suspect that perl-LDAP is committing the change in a manner differently than ldapmodify/389-console, but I cannot figure out how. What really confuses me is that perl-LDAP /works/ fine on ou=People, but not ou=Special Users. If all else fails, you could use wireshark/tcpdump to inspect the packets received and sent by the directory server. Thoughts? Help? Suggested directions to look? Thanks, -Brandon -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: Problem seeing PDF files with firefox
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 01:34, Matthew Saltzman m...@clemson.edu wrote: AH, thank you. I've been wondering about this. The association for PDF was Always ask, but it always attempted to use mozplugger. The mozplugger option is the one that attempts to open the PDF in a new window in the browser, and that's the one that fails, usually showing a blank page (except the first time I use it after starting a session, sometimes). Choosing evince always opens the PDF in a separate evince app. That's a passable workaround, but having mozplugger work would be kind of nice... Are you sure that the plugin is not disabled (maybe being disabled sometime after the first is opened)? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Forcing HDD spindown
Thanks for the replies everyone! Laptop-mode unfortunately does not support kernel 3.1 (I am running F16 Beta)...hopefully this will be updated, it seems like a great tool. On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 4:08 AM, Tim Largy tim.la...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Christopher Svanefalk christopher.svanef...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, one problem I have on my system is the frequency with which the kernel winds up the HDD. It is hot almost constantly, and never seems to power down. Is there anything I can do (aside from deactivating updatedb and the like) in order to force the system to a minimal use of the HDD? Thanks in advance, Chris I'm not sure if smartd would be set up to run on your system but rule that out. Tim -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Use of pam_exec or pam_smbpass
I'm trying to implement a custom password scheme through pam and samba. Basically, if a user wants to change their password on a client, the change has to be propagated to the samba server so it can also set the windows password. It works fine to tell users to use 'smbpasswd -r samba.mydomain', or to make passwd an alias that does that, but it would be better to make the change go through PAM so it will work from the GUI as well. Now, I found 2 ways to do this: pam_smbpass and pam_exec, but with both, I seem to be hitting a stone wall. pam_smbpass: On a machine that has a full smb.conf with all the LDAP connections etc (including ldap bind credentials in secrets.tbd), something like password required pam_smbpass.so nullok use_authtok try_first_pass in the appropriate /etc/pam.d files seems to do the trick. However, I don't really want to make every desktop a full member of the domain. So, it would be nice if there was a way to make pam_smbpass connect to a remote samba server, but I haven't been able to find one. Any help in this area would be appreciated. pam_exec: The man page states 'All module types (auth, account, password and session) are provided.' So it should be possible to write a script or prtogram to handle a pam password call, right? But, the script I wrote doesn't seem to receive the old or new password. And re-reading the documentation, I notice that nothing is mentioned about passing a password to the module anywhere, except on authentication, when expose_authtok will do that (then the password will be passed through stdin). But nothing like that when called for a password change. Again, what did I miss? Is the password module type not fully implemented, or should this be handles in another way? (OS: Fedora 15, RHEL 6, both same situation) David Jansen PS: I know a 3rd option would be to switch everything over to winbind, which may or may not work in our complex situation with various Windows domains with trusts. The point is: everything else works, except for a consistent password change method, so before we decide to redesign the whole setup, we want to be absolutely sure that there isn't something simple we are overlooking. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How does Fedora clean its RAM..?
On 11/02/2011 02:34 AM, Linda McLeod wrote: How does Fedora clean its RAM..? On Monday morning before the start of the week it lets out the Gnomes who then diligently start to do some serious housecleaning. There's Spidey Gnome who climbs up the walls to get to those difficult to reach places and do some much needed pre-winter cleaning. There's Hyper Gnome who just runs around cleaning bits of everything it can find. Then there's Grumpy Gnome who complains about Hyper Gnome just cleaning bits instead of bytes. And there's Bearded Gnome who complains incessantly about any proprietary bits it finds and makes awkward remarks about lady Gnomes. And there's off course Lazy Gnome who just sits there pretending to clean (the other Gnomes bought him a lmgtfy.com shirt but he didn't get it). Finally there is Obi Wan Gnome, the Fearless Leader who tries to keep things moving forward smoothly and always mumbles about Freedom, Friends, Features and First. :-) Regards, Patrick -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Troll Alert Re: How does Fedora clean its RAM..?
On 02/11/11 01:34, Linda McLeod wrote: By putting it on the lamb, Until it rains for a week or two. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Forcing HDD spindown
Konstantin Svist: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=laptop+mode+tools Joe Zeff: Cute. Rude, but cute. Much better and more polite would have been to point me directly to http://samwel.tk/laptop_mode/packages/fedora. I would have tried a slightly different yum query. Such as yum search laptop to see about *any* packages related to laptops. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Rpmfusion
On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 21:20:42 -0600, LG (Lawrence) wrote: It can not find the right keys. It is not pointed in the right direction. I truly don't understand except it ask for a key and then says it is wrong. Still not enough details. Consider quoting something next time. Meanwhile, I've filed these two: https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2013 https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2012 Bug 2013 could be the one you refer to. -- Fedora release 16 (Verne) - Linux 3.1.0-5.fc16.x86_64 loadavg: 0.02 0.04 0.05 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Packet loss problem and some questions related with OS
Hi All, I have some doubts , please clear me. Query 1 ) should we set irq afinity of pci lan interface or onboard lan interface or we can do for both ? Query 2) H/w must be APIC enabled and for them only we can do set irq afinity , is it so? Query 3) What are the root cause for packet loss on interface ? Actually in one of my server , i m having strange result, i can not see any value update for lan interface in interrupts. cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 CPU1 CPU2 CPU3 0:124 0 0 78 IO-APIC-edge timer 1: 0 0 0614 IO-APIC-edge i8042 8: 0 0 0 1 IO-APIC-edge rtc0 9: 0 0 0 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi acpi 12: 0 0 0159 IO-APIC-edge i8042 19: 0 13411 0 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi ata_piix, ata_piix 21: 0 0 70 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi ehci_hcd:usb1 23: 0 0 32 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi ehci_hcd:usb2 40: 229974 0 0 0 HPET_MSI-edge hpet2 41: 0 85867 0 0 HPET_MSI-edge hpet3 42: 0 0 73987 0 HPET_MSI-edge hpet4 43: 0 0 0 106848 HPET_MSI-edge hpet5 45: 0 0 0 0 PCI-MSI-edge aerdrv, PCIe PME 46: 0 0 0 0 PCI-MSI-edge aerdrv, PCIe PME 47: 0 0 0 0 PCI-MSI-edge PCIe PME 48: 0 0 0 0 PCI-MSI-edge PCIe PME 49: 0 0 0 0 PCI-MSI-edge PCIe PME 50: 0 0 0 219714 PCI-MSI-edge 51: 10880 0 0 0 PCI-MSI-edge _ 52: 4 0 0 0 PCI-MSI-edge em1_ NMI: 44 16 8 29 Non-maskable interrupts LOC:282248158 68 Local timer interrupts SPU: 0 0 0 0 Spurious interrupts PMI: 44 16 8 29 Performance monitoring interrupts IWI: 0 0 0 0 IRQ work interrupts RES: 6283 2718 2153 5353 Rescheduling interrupts CAL:128100228278 Function call interrupts TLB: 15 33 12 22 TLB shootdowns TRM: 0 0 0 0 Thermal event interrupts THR: 0 0 0 0 Threshold APIC interrupts MCE: 0 0 0 0 Machine check exceptions MCP: 78 78 78 78 Machine check polls ERR: 0 MIS: 0 em1 is my lan interface. ifconfig em1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:25:90:0A:E6:A2 inet addr:192.168.100.152 Bcast:192.168.100.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::225:90ff:fe0a:e6a2/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:216457 errors:0 _dropped:16064_ overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:12715 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:36976063 (35.2 MiB) TX bytes:2391031 (2.2 MiB) _Interrupt:16_ Memory:fb5e-fb60 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) But i can not see any 16 irq no. in cat /proc/interrupts. I tried to increase rx and tx for em1 but still same i m having packet loss on interface. OS : fedora 15 64 bit. 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection Kernel : 2.6.40.6-0.fc15.x86_64 Please guide me to solve this issues and resolve my queries. Warm Regards, Benjamin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
hi, i am new in this world of linux. getting confused seeing a lot of linux distro. I just want to use linux distro to learn linux from the scratch level. please suggest me if fedora is the best place to start with. other details are as follows: confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS purpose of using linux: to learn from the scratch level why linux: highly secured and better than windows hardware: 250 gb hard disk, 2 gb ram, one samsung printer, speakers when i use system: from a different job, whenever i get time, i do use the system but in this less time, eager to learn linux -- THX -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:07:15 +0530 Linux Tyro wrote: confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS There isn't a lot of difference from the learning standpoint, but there are two main differences from an administration standpoint: fedora and openSUSE and many others use rpm packages and ubuntu and debian use deb packages to install software. There are various other administrative differences such as networking being described differently on fedora versus ubuntu, etc. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
Ubuntu, I think is easier to get started from scratch with, but all three distributions that you listed will serve you just fine in learning the order of the penguin. Good luck David On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:07:15 +0530 Linux Tyro wrote: confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS There isn't a lot of difference from the learning standpoint, but there are two main differences from an administration standpoint: fedora and openSUSE and many others use rpm packages and ubuntu and debian use deb packages to install software. There are various other administrative differences such as networking being described differently on fedora versus ubuntu, etc. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
You ask good questions. More than likely whichever flavor you try---you'll learn things. Several points: - Pick one and stick with it for a while. Also, to learn more---you'll find a wealthy abundance of resources online to read up on. - Assuming your main platform is Windows... consider something like VirtualBox.org in order to leverage virtualization (free even!) and build your unix/linux skills. - Evaluate unix/linux forums (such as nixcraft.com) where you can read, and ask questions. There are many other good ones, too. Best of luck to you in your new adventure!!! From: Linux Tyro fedora@gmail.com To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:37 AM Subject: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution hi, i am new in this world of linux. getting confused seeing a lot of linux distro. I just want to use linux distro to learn linux from the scratch level. please suggest me if fedora is the best place to start with. other details are as follows: confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS purpose of using linux: to learn from the scratch level why linux: highly secured and better than windows hardware: 250 gb hard disk, 2 gb ram, one samsung printer, speakers when i use system: from a different job, whenever i get time, i do use the system but in this less time, eager to learn linux -- THX -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On 02/11/11 12:37, Linux Tyro wrote: hi, i am new in this world of linux. getting confused seeing a lot of linux distro. I just want to use linux distro to learn linux from the scratch level. please suggest me if fedora is the best place to start with. other details are as follows: confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS purpose of using linux: to learn from the scratch level why linux: highly secured and better than windows hardware: 250 gb hard disk, 2 gb ram, one samsung printer, speakers when i use system: from a different job, whenever i get time, i do use the system but in this less time, eager to learn linux -- THX Others have already mentioned the packaging using either deb or rpm files, but you should also try downloading the various demo CD spins. This will give you a quick feel for the various GUI options available, and some of the software available. See here for Fedora -- http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options Meanwhile, welcome to Linux, and I'm sure the penguin community and I wish you well in your adoption of Linux cpp4ever -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS There isn't a lot of difference from the learning standpoint, but there are two main differences from an administration standpoint: fedora and openSUSE and many others use rpm packages and ubuntu and debian use deb packages to install software. There are various other administrative differences such as networking being described differently on fedora versus ubuntu, etc. Well, I am looking for something in long terms, like the one with which I start, I should remain there. And it must be highly secured (though I know Linux is secured). But in future, I would learn the basics of administration too, so please guide me which is a better administration - rpm or deb? On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:22 PM, D. Marshall Lemcoe Jr. fo...@lemcoe.comwrote: Ubuntu, I think is easier to get started from scratch with, but all three distributions that you listed will serve you just fine in learning the order of the penguin. Oh I see, and in long term also, would it be good? Good luck Thanks. On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Joe Wulf joe_w...@yahoo.com wrote: You ask good questions. In fact, I was confused with (anyone would be, I guess) since it is the ocean of distros! More than likely whichever flavor you try---you'll learn things. Several points: - Pick one and stick with it for a while. Also, to learn more---you'll find a wealthy abundance of resources online to read up on. - Assuming your main platform is Windows... consider something like VirtualBox.org in order to leverage virtualization (free even!) and build your unix/linux skills. - Evaluate unix/linux forums (such as nixcraft.com) where you can read, and ask questions. There are many other good ones, too. Okay. Best of luck to you in your new adventure!!! Thanks. On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:45 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 n2xssvv.g02gfr12...@ntlworld.com wrote: Others have already mentioned the packaging using either deb or rpm files, but you should also try downloading the various demo CD spins. This will give you a quick feel for the various GUI options available, and some of the software available. I try live CDs too then. Meanwhile, welcome to Linux, and I'm sure the penguin community and I wish you well in your adoption of Linux Thanks. -- THX -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Use of pam_exec or pam_smbpass
On 11/02/2011 04:40 AM, David Jansen wrote: I'm trying to implement a custom password scheme through pam and samba. Basically, if a user wants to change their password on a client, the change has to be propagated to the samba server so it can also set the windows password. It works fine to tell users to use 'smbpasswd -r samba.mydomain', or to make passwd an alias that does that, but it would be better to make the change go through PAM so it will work from the GUI as well. Now, I found 2 ways to do this: pam_smbpass and pam_exec, but with both, I seem to be hitting a stone wall. pam_smbpass: On a machine that has a full smb.conf with all the LDAP connections etc (including ldap bind credentials in secrets.tbd), something like password required pam_smbpass.so nullok use_authtok try_first_pass in the appropriate /etc/pam.d files seems to do the trick. However, I don't really want to make every desktop a full member of the domain. So, it would be nice if there was a way to make pam_smbpass connect to a remote samba server, but I haven't been able to find one. Any help in this area would be appreciated. pam_exec: The man page states 'All module types (auth, account, password and session) are provided.' So it should be possible to write a script or prtogram to handle a pam password call, right? But, the script I wrote doesn't seem to receive the old or new password. And re-reading the documentation, I notice that nothing is mentioned about passing a password to the module anywhere, except on authentication, when expose_authtok will do that (then the password will be passed through stdin). But nothing like that when called for a password change. Again, what did I miss? Is the password module type not fully implemented, or should this be handles in another way? (OS: Fedora 15, RHEL 6, both same situation) David Jansen PS: I know a 3rd option would be to switch everything over to winbind, which may or may not work in our complex situation with various Windows domains with trusts. The point is: everything else works, except for a consistent password change method, so before we decide to redesign the whole setup, we want to be absolutely sure that there isn't something simple we are overlooking. What's the GUI? Couldn't you do this thru a webpage and just have the webserver take the appropriate information and then pass that to your backend application? Then, only the webserver needs to be part and parcel in the SMB domain and you could use your pam_smbpass solution. Kevin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On 11/02/2011 08:40 AM, Linux Tyro wrote: Well, I am looking for something in long terms, like the one with which I start, I should remain there. And it must be highly secured (though I know Linux is secured). But in future, I would learn the basics of administration too, so please guide me which is a better administration - rpm or deb? That depends entirely on who you ask. Here, you are likely to get pro-RPM answers, as Fedora uses RPM and people choose it for a reason. Each has features and niceties that the other does not. Both are good package formats and systems; they just have different opinions about how the world works. RPM maintains data for verification of installed software. That has saved me on at least one occasion. DEB has the concept of optional dependencies, which can offer you greater flexibility in managing what software is installed on your system. That is probably the biggest Debian/Ubuntu package management feature I miss since switching to Fedora. If you're going to build packages, they're mostly just different. Both are pretty easy to do once you know what's going on; I find RPM slightly easier, but Debian provides lots of nice helper scripts for package builds (and those are inherited by Ubuntu). Pick one. You won't really go wrong. In my opinion, software availability, quality, and maintenance culture are more important factors for picking a Linux distribution than package manager, unless you have prior package manager knowledge you're looking to carry with you. From those perspectives, I have selected Fedora (after using Debian and Ubuntu for quite some time), but YMMV. - MIchael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 18:07:15 +0530, Linux Tyro fedora@gmail.com wrote: why linux: highly secured and better than windows Don't count in this too much. Part of the security comes from being a minority OS and part comes through the people who use it. There are a number of applications that don't treat foreign data with appropriate care or that try to provide a rich environment at the expense of security. The main advantage of Linux systems is openness. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: my SysV daemons not starting on boot
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of T.C. Hollingsworth Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 21:07 To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: my SysV daemons not starting on boot On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Michael D. Berger m.d.ber...@ieee.org wrote: Always, started or not, I get the same thing: #systemctl status myDaemon.service myDaemon.service Loaded: error Active: inactive (dead) That's very strange. If a file /etc/init.d/myDaemon exists, systemd should create a virtual myDaemon.service. (Emphasis on virtual; no file is created on disk.) Check syslog (/var/log/messages) for any errors related to your daemon. If there are none, reboot and edit your kernel command line, removing rhgb quiet and adding systemd.log_level=debug and check again. [...] I have removed rhgb quiet but not yet added systemd.log_level=debug. I have also removed my SYSTEMCTL_SKIP_REDIRECT=1 In /vat/log/boot.log I find: Starting SYSV: controls myDaemon daemons... Starting myDaemon: ^[[60G[^[[0;32m OK ^[[0;39m]^M Started SYSV: controls myDaemon daemons. Debig informs me that myDaemon is starting, but rapidly crashing. I am now working on that (after meetings). I assume that once I get that fixed, I can expect #systemctl status myDaemon.service to show something else. Right? Thanks for guidance. Mike. -- Michael D. Berger m.d.ber...@ieee.org http://www.rosemike.net/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:10:17 +0530 Linux Tyro wrote: But in future, I would learn the basics of administration too, so please guide me which is a better administration - rpm or deb? I would say they are just different, not better or worse, though if you like a GUI package management tool, nothing beats synaptic on the ubuntu/debian family (I tend to prefer the command line tools since I use ssh to get to most systems and don't want to fool with remote X display, so for me it doesn't matter much if I use yum versus apt-get or rpm versus dpkg - it is just a question of sorting out all the command line options). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On 02/11/11 14:19, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 18:07:15 +0530, Linux Tyro fedora@gmail.com wrote: why linux: highly secured and better than windows Don't count in this too much. Part of the security comes from being a minority OS and part comes through the people who use it. There are a number of applications that don't treat foreign data with appropriate care or that try to provide a rich environment at the expense of security. The main advantage of Linux systems is openness. I like the openness, as well as the reliability, (it is much less likely to crash than windows). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Use of pam_exec or pam_smbpass
What's the GUI? Couldn't you do this thru a webpage and just have the webserver take the appropriate information and then pass that to your backend application? Then, only the webserver needs to be part and parcel in the SMB domain and you could use your pam_smbpass solution. I meant the locations that allow changing a password, like in the Gnome preferences. I want to avoid the situation, where a user sees a password change option somewhere, that seems to work (it changes the Linux password), but causes problems later (Windows or Radius doesn't use the new password). That's why I hope to solve this on the PAM level somehow, so all programs that change passwords, will work completely. Telling the users to change their password on some web page, is not really an improvement over aliasing 'passwd' to the command needed to change the password, and telling them to only use that command, and not any other interface that offers to change a password. David Jansen -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
I think Fedora is a good distro to start. As Joe Wulf said, is a good idea to install it in VirtualBox first, so you can play with linux windows at the same time, and make the transition easier. Emilio. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 17:19, Emilio Lopez emiliol...@gmail.com wrote: I think Fedora is a good distro to start. As Joe Wulf said, is a good idea to install it in VirtualBox first, so you can play with linux windows at the same time, and make the transition easier. The OP can also try out the live media for the three distros. I personally think live media is the least hassle free way to see what one is getting into before actual installation. Emilio. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
Yumex fan over here ___ Behold, they are one people, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. Genesis 11:6 -Original Message- From: Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:33:30 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:10:17 +0530 Linux Tyro wrote: But in future, I would learn the basics of administration too, so please guide me which is a better administration - rpm or deb? I would say they are just different, not better or worse, though if you like a GUI package management tool, nothing beats synaptic on the ubuntu/debian family (I tend to prefer the command line tools since I use ssh to get to most systems and don't want to fool with remote X display, so for me it doesn't matter much if I use yum versus apt-get or rpm versus dpkg - it is just a question of sorting out all the command line options). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On 11/02/2011 06:40 AM, Linux Tyro wrote: Well, I am looking for something in long terms, like the one with which I start, I should remain there. And it must be highly secured (though I know Linux is secured). But in future, I would learn the basics of administration too, so please guide me which is a better administration - rpm or deb? Both are equally good; it's like asking if chocolate is better than vanilla. And, most things you're going to install will be available in both forms. If you're looking for a highly secured distribution (or, distro) Fedora is one good choice, as it includes SELinux: Security Enhanced Linux. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On 2 November 2011 16:19, Emilio Lopez emiliol...@gmail.com wrote: I think Fedora is a good distro to start. As Joe Wulf said, is a good idea to install it in VirtualBox first, so you can play with linux windows at the same time, and make the transition easier. I would say the opposite, Fedora's short release cycle isn't for everyone (and I say this as someone who's used Fedora as their main OS since FC1 came out) and Fedora upgrades are maybe slightly more painful than Ubuntu ones. Ubuntu has an LTS (long term support) version which may allow you to avoid upgrading for a while and upgrades are more like large system updates (think service pack in Windows). RPM vs deb, yes there are differences, but it's probably going to be one of the last things you notice. For a beginner coming from Windows I think the major hurdle for either Ubuntu or Fedora (which are the two 'flagship' choices) is that their default desktop is now very different to windows. I was introduced to Unity (Ubuntu) last weekend and personally I think it's more awkward than Gnome-shell (Fedora). So you may want to look at XFCE or KDE spins of Fedora or Ubuntu. Live CDs and VirtualBox (haven't tried that one) are a good way to dip into the water. From a security point of view, Fedora perhaps focuses on security a bit more than Ubuntu does. This is a bit of a two edged sword if you find SELinux is preventing you doing something it shouldn't, but that's a much rarer occurence these days. It's also intentionally on the cutting edge, this means you get cut sometimes which often means time spent sorting out issues. Lastly, media friendliness: Fedora, again by choice, includes only software that can be described as free and open source, this excludes several things such as mp3 playback from the core system. There are easy solutions to this these days (just set up rpmfusion), but it does represent an extra level of difficulty (on the other hand, it isn't really difficult and might be a useful first exercise for somebody wanting to learn how things work). Ubuntu tends to include everything they think they can get away with. Haven't mentioned SUSE as I haven't used it for years. -- imalone -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On 11/02/2011 05:37 AM, Linux Tyro wrote: hi, i am new in this world of linux. getting confused seeing a lot of linux distro. I just want to use linux distro to learn linux from the scratch level. please suggest me if fedora is the best place to start with. other details are as follows: confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS purpose of using linux: to learn from the scratch level why linux: highly secured and better than windows hardware: 250 gb hard disk, 2 gb ram, one samsung printer, speakers when i use system: from a different job, whenever i get time, i do use the system but in this less time, eager to learn linux Keep in mind that Fedora is a cutting edge distribution. It's generally completely updated (replaced) every 6 months and old versions are only supported for two updates, e.g. when Fedora 16 comes out, Fedora 14 will be obsoleted and orphaned (no updates). If you want a relatively stable environment (and if you're just learning, that might be a good idea), I'd go with Ubuntu, Debian or CentOS (CentOS is built from the same source as Red Hat Enterprise Linux). If you're willing to bleed a bit, then yeah, Fedora is the way to go. As the old saying goes, If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space. (he says, with tongue planted firmly in cheek) -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Perseverance: When you're too damned stubborn to say I quit! - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How can the system be bumped-up to the next evolution of RAM-processing..?
On 11/01/2011 08:08 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:56:13 Linda McLeod wrote: [snip] Why is there RAM..? Why can't the OS run its RAM off'n the hd..? RAM exists because I/O of a HD is waaay too slow. You can get a feeling just how slow it can get when you open too many apps simultaneously, thus exhausting available RAM and making the OS use the swap partition for extra memory. It's *painfully* slow, the machine becomes practically unusable, and it's a complete waste of cycles of today's fast processors. Even the I/O of RAM itself is fairly slow compared to the typical modern processor. That's why processors now have a built-in cache (which is basically a smaller amount of RAM on the processor chip itself), in order to speed up execution of programs and calculations. You might then ask why the processor designers don't put all RAM on the chip? Because it would be too big, geometrically. In order to make the processor work on a 2GHz frequency or such, the chip surface must be small enough to keep everything in working conditions. Otherwise you run into out- of-sync problems, uneven heat and voltage distribution problems, and all sorts of stuff that would make the processor fail. So the bulk of RAM must be separated, on their own chips, and communitace with the processor via the motherboard, which is again quite slow, due to its size and other reasons. Uhm, Marko, I think Linda was trying to be facetious. Good info from you, though. :-) -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Is that a buffer overflow or are you just happy to see me? - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
Hi, All three of the distributions you mentioned are major .. Ubuntu is more of a graphical Linux which will keep you safe, but will also restrict your learning experience in the sense that getting to a Root (administrator) command line is not encouraged. Fedore and SuSE are the other two major distributions, I personally used to use SuSE and have moved back to Fedora which has improved a lot lately (last 3 years). To me they are equivalent, but SuSE belongs to Novell, which was sold recently to AtachMate. SuSE also works closer with Microsoft, which for a Windows guy would seem better but for a Linux guy, makes us somewhat nervous! RPM/DEB both work well, and shouldn't influence your choice. Gary Baribault Courriel: g...@baribault.net GPG Key: 0x685430d1 Signature: 9E4D 1B7C CB9F 9239 11D9 71C3 6C35 C6B7 6854 30D1 On 11/02/2011 08:37 AM, Linux Tyro wrote: hi, i am new in this world of linux. getting confused seeing a lot of linux distro. I just want to use linux distro to learn linux from the scratch level. please suggest me if fedora is the best place to start with. other details are as follows: confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS purpose of using linux: to learn from the scratch level why linux: highly secured and better than windows hardware: 250 gb hard disk, 2 gb ram, one samsung printer, speakers when i use system: from a different job, whenever i get time, i do use the system but in this less time, eager to learn linux -- THX -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 18:36:04 +, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: Lastly, media friendliness: Fedora, again by choice, includes only software that can be described as free and open source, this excludes several things such as mp3 playback from the core system. There are easy solutions to this these days (just set up rpmfusion), but it does represent an extra level of difficulty (on the other hand, it isn't really difficult and might be a useful first exercise for somebody wanting to learn how things work). Ubuntu tends to include everything they think they can get away with. Not not just Free software, but also unemcumbered by patents. The problem with mp3 software is not that there isn't Free software that that can encode/decode sound into the mp3 codec, but that the codec is patented and patent owners do not permit free redistribution of code to use it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
pthread_create() fails SysV in myDaemon on boot
In F15_64, on starting SysV myDaemon in level 3, with S99myDaemon rtn = pthread_create() fails with: rtn=1=Operation not permitted man pthread_create says this means: No permission to set the scheduling policy and parameters specified in attr. This happens for: policy = SCHED_FIFO policy = SCHED_RR This code works if, after boot, I start it with: /etc/init.d/myDaemon start and starts on boot in my old CentOS 5 box. Thanks for your suggestions. Mike. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Forcing HDD spindown
Correction: laptop-tools 1.60 supports kernel 3.x. You have to pull the tarball, but its only a matter of running a shell script to install it anyway. I am having some issues with my harddrives spinning down too fast and waking up too easily now, but its being resolved. You can find the tarball here: http://samwel.tk/laptop_mode/packages/tarball On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Konstantin Svist: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=laptop+mode+tools Joe Zeff: Cute. Rude, but cute. Much better and more polite would have been to point me directly to http://samwel.tk/laptop_mode/packages/fedora. I would have tried a slightly different yum query. Such as yum search laptop to see about *any* packages related to laptops. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
pthread_create() fails SysV in myDaemon on boot
Please pardon me if you see this twice. I thought that the newsgroup and the e-mail list were the same thing, but I now see they are not. In F15_64, on starting SysV myDaemon in level 3, with S99myDaemon rtn = pthread_create() fails with: rtn=1=Operation not permitted man pthread_create says this means: No permission to set the scheduling policy and parameters specified in attr. This happens for: policy = SCHED_FIFO policy = SCHED_RR This code works if, after boot, I start it with: /etc/init.d/myDaemon start and starts on boot in my old CentOS 5 box. Thanks for your suggestions. Mike. -- Michael D. Berger m.d.ber...@ieee.org http://www.rosemike.net/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How can the system be bumped-up to the next evolution of RAM-processing..?
On Wednesday 02 November 2011 18:47:25 Rick Stevens wrote: Uhm, Marko, I think Linda was trying to be facetious. Good info from you, though. :-) Oh, well, English is not my native language, so often I fail to recongize anything other than face-value meaning of what is written, especially on public mailing lists. But no harm done, anyway... ;-) Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: pthread_create() fails SysV in myDaemon on boot
On 11/02/2011 02:54 PM, Michael D. Berger wrote: Please pardon me if you see this twice. I thought that the newsgroup and the e-mail list were the same thing, but I now see they are not. In F15_64, on starting SysV myDaemon in level 3, with S99myDaemon rtn = pthread_create() fails with: rtn=1=Operation not permitted man pthread_create says this means: No permission to set the scheduling policy and parameters specified in attr. This happens for: policy = SCHED_FIFO policy = SCHED_RR This code works if, after boot, I start it with: /etc/init.d/myDaemon start and starts on boot in my old CentOS 5 box. When you start it via the initscripts (/etc/init.d), are you doing as the root user or as an unprivileged user? I'm suspecting a permissions issue here in that the threads (actually lightweight processes) are being run as different users. You might try using ps uax -L and looking at the various threads involved to see who's running what. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- -Huked on foniks reely wurked for me!- -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On Wednesday 02 November 2011 12:37:15 Linux Tyro wrote: i am new in this world of linux. getting confused seeing a lot of linux distro. I just want to use linux distro to learn linux from the scratch level. please suggest me if fedora is the best place to start with. other details are as follows: In addition to what others have said, let me just add a few remarks: (1) WELCOME to the Linux community! :-) You'll find a lot of friendly folks around here, who are in general willing to help you learn and sort out any issues you may have with Linux (and Fedora in particular). (2) Don't hesitate to ask for help. This mailing list is a great resource of information and is followed by people who are seasoned linux users, as well as freshmen. That said, don't get offended by some nervous people telling you to do your homework, point you to lmgtfy.com, and such. We have all been beginners once, and those who cannot tolerate beginner's questions should not be taken too seriously. ;-) (3) It's actually a good idea to do your own research before asking a question here. Look up the topic in google, search the mailing list archives, read a man page (those are the instruction manuals for a whole bunch of stuff in Linux), etc. Expect a learning curve, regardless of the distro you choose. Some things that are trivial in Windows (like, play mp3 music) are quite nontrivial in Fedora (only the first time you try it, of course), and vice versa. The difference between Windows and Linux is not just the security, names and price. Migrating to Linux means that you need to change your way of *thinking* about how a computer can or should be used. For example, the idea of graphical user interface (a GUI) in Linux is just a commodity that is sometimes frowned upon. In contrast to Windows, where GUI is the *only* user interface available, in Linux mostly everything can be done on the command line (the CLI, or shell prompt, or console, or...). Learning to use it is one of the best ways to learn Linux. In Windows the MS-DOS Prompt is basically a thing of ancient history, and has no serious function in the system. This is just one of the *conceptual* differences you are about to encounter. Filesystem permissions and don't log in as root is another. If you have used only Windows so far, your complete knowledge about computers is about to be challenged, and you should expect that and embrace it. Finally, the choice of actual distro to start learning is quite immaterial. Any will do. What you should plan, however, is the strategy to stick to some distro for a while (say, 6 months), and then switch to another, in order to compare and learn what is the same and what is distro-specific. It doesn't really matter where you start from... ;-) HTH, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: pthread_create() fails SysV in myDaemon on boot
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Rick Stevens Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 18:03 To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: pthread_create() fails SysV in myDaemon on boot [...] When you start it via the initscripts (/etc/init.d), are you doing as the root user or as an unprivileged user? I'm suspecting a permissions issue here in that the threads (actually lightweight processes) are being run as different users. You might try using ps uax -L and looking at the various threads involved to see who's running what. [...] Its all done as root. ps uax -L shows six rows for myDaemon, which is about right for the number of threads. Mike. -- Michael D. Berger m.d.ber...@ieee.org http://www.rosemike.net/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On 03/11/11 00:59, Michael Ekstrand wrote: On 11/02/2011 08:40 AM, Linux Tyro wrote: Well, I am looking for something in long terms, like the one with which I start, I should remain there. And it must be highly secured (though I know Linux is secured). But in future, I would learn the basics of administration too, so please guide me which is a better administration - rpm or deb? I would like to throw in a thought or two. rpm or deb really doesn't matter, administration is, to me, about understanding the operating system components/applications. I use both Fedora and Ubuntu and have done so for years. Both have advantages. Ubuntu is stable, upgrades with no fuss, it's good for things that you just want to work and I've never noticed deb. Fedora is also very good and I no longer hold with the axium If you ain't on the edge, you're taking too much space. As one small example, my Laser printer Fuji Xerox. Setting up laser printer in Fedora right up to Fedora 14 was a pain, pig of a job, hard to do at the best of times. Why! Fedora still did not see printers on USB. This is one reason I am reluctant to upgrade. Ubuntu found the printer. I watch list discussion religiously to gauge Fedora problems before deciding whether to fresh install the next version. I usually skip 1 or 2 versions before doing so. I prefer Fedora for web development because it's file systems and commands are same as our server OS Centos, where as Ubuntu apparently does things differently, files named differently and in different file systems. You have a 250 g hd. you can run 3 operating systems as suggested, in virtualbox or partitions, and see which works for you, but, while there is not much to pick between ubuntu and Fedora they are very different from windows. My thoughts on long term would suggest go with Ubuntu. I would say that once you are accustomed to Linux you will likely want to explore and will probably install Fedora or other on a separate partition so it is independent of Ubuntu. Regards Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: pthread_create() fails SysV in myDaemon on boot
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Michael D. Berger m_d_berger_1...@yahoo.com wrote: In F15_64, on starting SysV myDaemon in level 3, with S99myDaemon rtn = pthread_create() fails with: rtn=1=Operation not permitted man pthread_create says this means: No permission to set the scheduling policy and parameters specified in attr. This happens for: policy = SCHED_FIFO policy = SCHED_RR This code works if, after boot, I start it with: /etc/init.d/myDaemon start and starts on boot in my old CentOS 5 box. You should ask the systemd devs about this: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel systemd-de...@lists.freedesktop.org If it works normally but not from systemd, it's probably a bug in the latter, or else something very strange is going on. -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
corrupted MAC error using scp
I'm at my wits end with this problem: A small LAN with three boxes and hardwired ethernet connections through a router. PuteF: server, running FC15 (x86) and LXDE PuteB: running FC13 (386) and gnome PuteD: running FC15 (386) and KDE I can transfer files between PuteB and PuteD using scp without any problems. Regardless of which machine the scp is initiated on, all file transfers between PuteF and PuteB, and between PuteF and PuteD fail with the error message Corrupted MAC on input. Disconnecting: Packet corrupt. lost connection. The time this takes to happen varies within a few minutes. Based my not getting this error for file transfers between PuteB and PuteD (running FC13 and FC15, respectively) I assumed (1) the problem is with PuteF or its connectivity, and (2) the problem does not involve different versions of Fedora. Based on what I read on the Web about this error I assumed the hardware was at fault. So I put in a new ethernet card on PuteF and connected it to the router with a new cable. But I still get the Corrupted MAC error. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: pthread_create() fails SysV in myDaemon on boot
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of T.C. Hollingsworth Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 20:03 To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: pthread_create() fails SysV in myDaemon on boot [...] You should ask the systemd devs about this: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel systemd-de...@lists.freedesktop.org If it works normally but not from systemd, it's probably a bug in the latter, or else something very strange is going on. -T.C. -- I tried to join the systemd-devel list but it didn't let me. I forwardrd the problem to the list anyway, but I don't know if they got it. Maybe you could forward it for me? Thanks, Mike. -- Michael D. Berger m.d.ber...@ieee.org http://www.rosemike.net/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
Ubuntu, I think is easier to get started from scratch with, but all three distributions that you listed will serve you just fine in learning the order of the penguin. Oh I see, and in long term also, would it be good? All of the distributions listed have excellent support and release cycles, meaning you won't be worrying about when you're going to get the shiny new software. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: corrupted MAC error using scp
On 11/02/2011 06:01 PM, Gerhard Magnus wrote: Based on what I read on the Web about this error I assumed the hardware was at fault. So I put in a new ethernet card on PuteF and connected it to the router with a new cable. But I still get the Corrupted MAC error. I would have tried a new cable by itself, first. Then, I would have tried switching the server to a spare port on the router if there is one. If not, I'd switch the server and one of the two other machines to see if the issue follows the port or the machine. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: pthread_create() fails SysV in myDaemon on boot
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Michael D. Berger Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 21:21 To: 'Community support for Fedora users' Subject: RE: pthread_create() fails SysV in myDaemon on boot Maybe you could forward it for me? Thanks, Mike. -- Michael D. Berger m.d.ber...@ieee.org http://www.rosemike.net/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines __ NOD32 6596 (2002) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Never mind, I'm joined. It just took a while. Thahns, Mike. -- Michael D. Berger m.d.ber...@ieee.org http://www.rosemike.net/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How does Fedora clean its RAM..?
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 18:34:15 -0700, Linda McLeod lindavald...@fastmail.fm wrote: How does Fedora clean its RAM..? Does the system dump what's on unused RAM?.. Does it wait till reboot..? How does it work..? How can the system be bumped-up to the next evolution of RAM-processing..? Is there, or can there be, a continuous wiping-cleaner that instantly cleans RAM the moment its thht-data is dated..? Unprivileged users don't have access to the previous contents of ram allocated to their processes. You're sure about that? What evidence do you offer? Can you point to auto-scrub code paths in all the library APIs for freeing memory? What is the threat model you are trying to guard against? Rather than merely imply that such threat models are beyond the scope of Fedora, wouldn't it be better to refer the OP to a wiki article on the subject, or to the dev list if there is no wiki article? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How does Fedora clean its RAM..?
Once upon a time, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com said: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: Unprivileged users don't have access to the previous contents of ram allocated to their processes. You're sure about that? What evidence do you offer? Can you point to auto-scrub code paths in all the library APIs for freeing memory? Read the kernel source. What is the threat model you are trying to guard against? Rather than merely imply that such threat models are beyond the scope of Fedora, wouldn't it be better to refer the OP to a wiki article on the subject, or to the dev list if there is no wiki article? Go read a book on Unix. -- Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How does Fedora clean its RAM..?
On 11/02/2011 07:04 PM, Joel Rees wrote: You're sure about that? What evidence do you offer? Can you point to auto-scrub code paths in all the library APIs for freeing memory? Unless the next program allocates RAM and reads from it without first writing to it, what difference does it make? And, in the unlikely event that some program does this, there's no way of knowing a priori what was there before. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How does Fedora clean its RAM..?
On 11/02/2011 22:13, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com said: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: Unprivileged users don't have access to the previous contents of ram allocated to their processes. You're sure about that? What evidence do you offer? Can you point to auto-scrub code paths in all the library APIs for freeing memory? Read the kernel source. What is the threat model you are trying to guard against? Rather than merely imply that such threat models are beyond the scope of Fedora, wouldn't it be better to refer the OP to a wiki article on the subject, or to the dev list if there is no wiki article? Go read a book on Unix. -- Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. Chris is correct in saying read the kernel source. When a page is given to userspace by the kernel it is given zeroed out. The reason you would need to scrub memory is if you are reallocated a page of memory by the malloc library and not the kernel. If a memory region is freed using free and then subsequently malloced with another call it is possible for malloc to give you memory that hasn't been scrubbed. If malloc needs a new set of pages to meet your request the pages it will get from the kernel will already be zeroed. Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How does Fedora clean its RAM..?
Once upon a time, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us said: On 11/02/2011 07:04 PM, Joel Rees wrote: You're sure about that? What evidence do you offer? Can you point to auto-scrub code paths in all the library APIs for freeing memory? Unless the next program allocates RAM and reads from it without first writing to it, what difference does it make? And, in the unlikely event that some program does this, there's no way of knowing a priori what was there before. That would be a security problem, since you could have information leak from one process to another. However, Unix-like systems don't work that way. -- Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: pthread_create() fails SysV in myDaemon on boot
On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 17:54 -0400, Michael D. Berger wrote: Please pardon me if you see this twice. I thought that the newsgroup and the e-mail list were the same thing, but I now see they are not. Depends which news group you're referring to. The gmane one does interact with this list. There could be a propagation delay, though. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 18:07 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote: confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS It's always going to be hard to answer which is best queries. As there's numerous criteria, and conflicting answers. If you want free support from other users, I would say Fedora and Ubuntu. I haven't seen openSuse to comment on it. I've noticed more knowledgeable answers on the Fedora list than the Ubuntu list, which seems to have more dumb suggestions, last time I looked. By that I mean silly suggestions from people clearly don't know what they're talking about, and no corrections to such advice. That may have changed, with time. But bearing in mind that Ubuntu tends to be the first port of call to Windows users, it seems to drag in more of the crazy Windows mentalities (e.g. reinstall, reboot, and fiddle with unrelated things to your problem). With Fedora, you get an unencumbered OS. You shouldn't fall afoul of any royalties, patents, etc. But you lose some functionality, such as mp3 playback, unless you go to a third party and take a legal risk. Or, the stability risks from things like closed source video card drivers from certain vendors, rather than using the more basic open source drivers. Ubuntu doesn't care, and provides you with some things of dubious legality (depending on where you are), so more things just work. To a more pure blooded *ix users, Ubuntu gets looked upon as the weenie version of Debian. So, if your goal is a bit higher, you might want to look further than just Ubuntu. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 15:02 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: The problem with mp3 software is not that there isn't Free software that that can encode/decode sound into the mp3 codec, but that the codec is patented and patent owners do not permit free redistribution of code to use it. I thought that one expired some years ago. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
Linux Tyro: why linux: highly secured and better than windows Bruno Wolff III: Don't count in this too much. Part of the security comes from being a minority OS and part comes through the people who use it. I would say that the *majority* of that is down to the people using it. Sensible people are more cautious. Sensible people turn to OSs that are more sensibly planned, and use it more sensibly. One of the reasons they may turn to Fedora (or another *ix) from Windows, is that they're sick of the bad design of Windows. People do dumb things, and no OS can protect the stupid from themselves, ultimately speaking. Some people turn to *ix simply because it's free, carry on using a computer is a silly way, encourage others to do the same, and drag things down. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
