Re: Dovecot problem
On 21 December 2011 07:56, Mike Chambers m...@miketc.net wrote: Also check out /etc/dovecot/conf.d as there are bunches of scripts in there that can be changed as well. You don't copy them or add their contents to anything. Just edit the file, save it and restart dovecot. This is most likely it. The last update on Fedora caught me on the hop because it disabled non-secure protocols by default and I hadn't moved one of the clients over to an encrypted connection. If Centos has pushed the same update, you'll need to either use IMAPS or add an address = * line to the inet_listener imap section in /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-master.conf Regards, -- Andy The only person to have all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html It's up to you to draw your conclusions. Some people consider this agreement to be the dawn of mankind, SUSE betraying/threatening the freedoms of Linux and SUSE having contracted with the devils of the 'evil empire'. To other people (apparently SUSE itself) it's a valuable feature and valuable advantage SUSE Linux has over its competitors. To most end-users, this contract is not of much practical importance, but is more a political thing. Yes but I have started the torrent download of -- Fedora and Ubuntu (LTS) for this time, after the completion would definitely start for 11.4 openSUSE too and would see from the LIVE CDs which suit me the most, which I assume either Fedora or Ubuntu, but without actually practically seeing I really cannot comments. Thanks to the developers that they created the use of Live CDs without which it seems a more typical kind or thing to judge a distro. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Paul Allen Newell pnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: All the best, Thanks Paul. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
microphone mystery
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, I have strange problem with my integrated microphone on my laptop (dell latitude, E6400). 1- This microphone did not work out of the box; after googling for a while, I added a /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf file with this line: options snd-hda-intel model=dell-m4-1 2- The microphone doesn't work at boot time. If I open appssoundvideopavu, I can see that the microphne exists (it is an enhancement!) but I cannot do anything to have it working. 3- If I open skype and call the call test service a small microphone appears in the notification area an I can use a slide to tune the input volume (it is still an enhancement!) but the microphone does not work! 4- If I open audacity, and press the record button hurrah! the microphone works, and works also with other apps (skype, ekiga) until I reboot the machine. Let us summarize: To have my mic working, proper tools for configuration (pavu control...) are useless, I have to use an apps which is not done for this! How can I configure my mic to work as soon as I log in? Thanks for helping. - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire MAP5 --- UMR CNRS 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 4286 2145 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7xtaUACgkQdE6C2dhV2JWEbQCgk+m3vVSu1pSeMTj53vW7iilC PQUAoLIrjbopo0O+zOiLIrmpvf1TIqTq =G6/z -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 01:18 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: This has been a great news for me that I am going switch to Linux from Windows XP, I am bored using it, many viruses and also high cost to maintain. Apart from it, I came to know that there are many linux and more specifically distributions. So really speaking, I am a bit confused between them, want to give try to Fedora but a picture of opensuse comes in mind, then some other distribution...While I know that these are fedora mailing list and anyone is going to give directions for only Fedora, but can one honestly tell me the differences between Fedora and opensuse? I came to know from some people that not to try Ubuntu (I don't know why they said so) and said that most of the people in Ubuntu mailing lists are more of dumbs, so I have claimed this question here only but I am really new -- what you guys think the best, please do tell me Now since my mind has become a little negative for Ubuntu, I just wanted to know the truth (remaining) between opensuse and Fedora, and for rest of the distributions more -- I would really not look for I would be confused more. As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again." Nearly the exact same question came up very recently on this list...as well as the Ubuntu list...as well as the openSUSE list. Even all of the responses seem nearly the same. Not only that, the "new" person was also from the same country. One thing that I don't think anyone has mentioned "New" members to the list are (or should be) encouraged to *check the archives* at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/ to see if a question has come up recently. They can also search the archives. This can save them, and others a whole lot of time rather than going over the same thingespecially things that are very much slanted towards opinion. -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in "Mostly Harmless -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
knotify4
Hello, What does knotify? Where is it started? It just take too much cpu!! Thank. -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| | Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | | Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | | email: patrick.du...@york.ac.uk ==-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dbus-daemon error message persisting
T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: I'm still getting this warning (repeated many times) under Fedora-16/KDE updated (kernel 3.1.5-6.fc16.i686.PAE) in /var/log/messages: -- Dec 21 00:28:38 blanche dbus-daemon[876]: ** (upowerd:1269): WARNING **: Property get or set does not have an interface string as first arg -- This was reported some months ago as Red Hat Bugzilla – Bug 743344 and now has Status: CLOSED CURRENTRELEASE which I take to mean it is believed that it has been corrected? That's the bug for udisks. The bug for upower is still open: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743779 Is anyone else getting this warning? Yep. You can shut it up though, by silencing dbus completely. To do so, run cp /lib/systemd/system/dbus.service /etc/systemd/system/, add StandardOutput=null to the [Service] section of /etc/systemd/syststem/dbus.service, and then run systemctl daemon-reload. Thanks for the info. But is there any simple way of stopping upowerd? I tested yum-removing it, but this would have taken dozens of applications with it. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
unmount external hdd in f14
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, When I plug in an external hdd in my f14 box, I have an icon on my desk. If I right click on this icon, I can only see safely remove the disk, I cannot unmount it as it was previously (f12, f10) possible. The problem is that using the safely remove way often crashes the session and nothing appears in the log, while using unmounting each partition on the hdd does not crashes the session, as I could test it, unmounting these hdd partitions by hand (umount /dev/sdb1, etc...) I found many threads on the internet about the bad behavior of safely remove but I did not find any solution to it Is there another soltion than to look in mtab, umount by hand the partitions and then unplug the hdd? Thanks for any help. - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire MAP5 --- UMR CNRS 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 4286 2145 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7xyK4ACgkQdE6C2dhV2JX3QQCePQirgNZtjlC013+ez7rCLl1i OZ0AnRXUGn8If3u6j7SlGRP+YpOEQxhE =M5oY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 06:12 +, g wrote: On 12/21/2011 03:36 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Your email address says absolutely nothing about your nationality, -=- my nationality is American, living United States of America. in respect that Canadians are Americans living in Canada. just as Mexicans are Americans living in Mexico. I wasn't asking, just making a point. i have never understood why Americans are just Americans with out distinction as to what part. Let's not go there. It's a good way to pass the time with a few beers, but never produces any useful result. my ancestry is Greek and Scotch-Irish. Mine is Irish and I have the sunburn to prove it. and is only loosely correlated with your location. -=- if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-) Your IP address is not necessarily constant. And if you want to mask it you can use TOR, but we're getting way OT now. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Dovecot problem
Craig White wrote: I'm trying to setup dovecot on a new server, to replace the server I have been using which is having some hardware problems. The new server is running CentOS-6.1 ; the current server is running CentOS-5.7. Dovecot runs fine on the current server, but on the new server when I get [tim@blanche ~]$ telnet grover 143 Trying 192.168.2.5... Connected to grover. Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. (I notice I don't have a /var/log/dovecot on the new server, as I do on the old one.) 1 - Asking Fedora list for CentOS server software is off-topic and potentially useless I should have said that the imap client I was using was a Fedora-16 laptop. But I should have asked the question on the CentOS list, as you suggest; though I must admit one is more likely to get an answer here, even if the question is not strictly relevant. 2 - Chances are that logs are going to /var/log/maillog That did indeed give the solution. Thank you. For some reason the error messages from dovecot now go to /var/log/maillog , while the old version set up a directory /var/log/dovecot . It turned out the problem was to do with the certificate I was using. 3 - Was there an actual question somewhere? I did actually end with the words Any advice or elucidation gratefully received, which while technically not a question is an implicit request for a response. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-) Your IP address is not necessarily constant. And if you want to mask it you can use TOR, but we're getting way OT now. +1 And what if he/she might be using some anonymous web surfing tool like 'TOR'? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with
Microsoft...
I really didn't understand this sentence and its
hidden (may be) meaning.
Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft
http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html
necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not
actual) on its development
('intellectual property concerns')
Oh I see, this is really amazing. So should I not use
openSUSE because
of this deal? Thanks.
--
This is entirely up to you :) You decide. If you like OpenSUSE, use it.
Deals of sleeping with the devil by M$ should not discourage you right?
If you are on users list at fedoraproject, why not Fedora? This community is
for Fedora users, not OpenSUSE. But you decide which version of linux you want
to use.
Regards,
Antonio
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Re: Can't copy lists in Yumex...
Nice!! Just tried your suggestion. Very handy. I am trying to keep documentation on all of my systems and compare installed packages. Thanks! On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 12/20/2011 04:39 PM, Linda McLeod wrote: Sure would be nice if I could bring up installed in Yumex, and copy the list.. then paste that list into Yumex install for when I'm rebuilding a freshly formatted hd, to eliminate the lengthy search in Yumex in locating my many preferred packages.. This modification evolution could save users hours per install... It's not quite what you're asking for, but might work. In a terminal, and as root, type this: yum list installed | tee installed.txt This will not only let you see what's installed it will also preserve it in a text file for future use. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.**org/mailman/listinfo/usershttps://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/**Mailing_list_guidelineshttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Antonio Olivares olivares14...@yahoo.com wrote: This is entirely up to you :) You decide. If you like OpenSUSE, use it. Deals of sleeping with the devil by M$ should not discourage you right? If you are on users list at fedoraproject, why not Fedora? This community is for Fedora users, not OpenSUSE. But you decide which version of linux you want to use. Well, the download would be complete within 2-3 hours of Fedora and Ubuntu and sure I am seeing the LIVE CDs first of all the three and then install one and start using, hopefully and at first preference: Fedora. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 02:15 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with
Microsoft...
I really didn't understand this sentence and its
hidden (may be) meaning.
Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft
http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html
necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not
actual) on its development
('intellectual property concerns')
Oh I see, this is really amazing. So should I not use
openSUSE because
of this deal? Thanks.
--
This is entirely up to you :) You decide. If you like OpenSUSE, use it.
Exactly.
Deals of sleeping with the devil by M$ should not discourage you right?
Well,
a) such deals are not uncommon in the commercial world. It's only that
SUSE uses this deal for marketing purposes, while there probably exist
similar deals, the public simply never will know about.
b) whom to consider the devil is (mostly) a religous matter.
c) Times are changing: Though Microsoft and Linux definitely are not
close friends, Microsoft's attitude towards Linux has changed at least
to some extend. Also, the real threats to Linux and FLOSS is not
Microsoft, anymore.
If you are on users list at fedoraproject, why not Fedora?
There are a lot of answers, I could provide, if I wanted, but I am not
interested in yet another flamewar ;)
Back to OP's original question:
To absolute beginners, from a mere usability POV, I in first place
recommend Ubuntu, then openSUSE, then (with larger gap inbetween)
followed by Fedora, ... Debian on last place.
If freedom of software is your highest aim, then Debian should be
your first choice, followed by Fedora, then a gap, then openSUSE,
followed by Ubuntu on last place.
From a mere technical standpoint, Fedora, Ubuntu and openSUSE all are
on comparable levels and stages of development.
Ralf
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Re: Can't copy lists in Yumex...
On 12/21/2011 07:17 AM, Christina Salls wrote: Nice!! Just tried your suggestion. Very handy. I am trying to keep documentation on all of my systems and compare installed packages. Thanks! On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us mailto:j...@zeff.us wrote: On 12/20/2011 04:39 PM, Linda McLeod wrote: Sure would be nice if I could bring up installed in Yumex, and copy the list.. then paste that list into Yumex install for when I'm rebuilding a freshly formatted hd, to eliminate the lengthy search in Yumex in locating my many preferred packages.. This modification evolution could save users hours per install... It's not quite what you're asking for, but might work. In a terminal, and as root, type this: yum list installed | tee installed.txt This will not only let you see what's installed it will also preserve it in a text file for future use. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org Please don't top post and you can also say it yum list installed installed.txt (without the pipe and tee the output just gets dumped to the file without displaying on the console). Kevin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can't copy lists in Yumex...
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Kevin Martin kevi...@ameritech.net wrote: On 12/21/2011 07:17 AM, Christina Salls wrote: Nice!! Just tried your suggestion. Very handy. I am trying to keep documentation on all of my systems and compare installed packages. Thanks! On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 12/20/2011 04:39 PM, Linda McLeod wrote: Sure would be nice if I could bring up installed in Yumex, and copy the list.. then paste that list into Yumex install for when I'm rebuilding a freshly formatted hd, to eliminate the lengthy search in Yumex in locating my many preferred packages.. This modification evolution could save users hours per install... It's not quite what you're asking for, but might work. In a terminal, and as root, type this: yum list installed | tee installed.txt This will not only let you see what's installed it will also preserve it in a text file for future use. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org Please don't top post and you can also say it yum list installed installed.txt (without the pipe and tee the output just gets dumped to the file without displaying on the console). Kevin sorry -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
c) Times are changing: Though Microsoft and Linux definitely are not close friends, Microsoft's attitude towards Linux has changed at least to some extend. Also, the real threats to Linux and FLOSS is not Microsoft, anymore. Yes, indeed times are changing. I hear that Microsoft's attitude towards the cancer, which was/is linux, now they are contributing to the linux kernel because they were caught using GPL code and now they have to give back :) Still take for example the Android platform which is Linux/GNU/Linux. For every phone sold with Android, M$ makes money on it and it charges whether the phone has M$ software on it or not. M$ does not lose, it will find a way to win :( Regards, Antonio -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 15:34 +0530, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: either Fedora or Ubuntu, but without actually practically seeing I really cannot comments. Thanks to the developers that they created the use of Live CDs without which it seems a more typical kind or thing to judge a distro. Though be aware that Live CDs are a poor demonstration. For one thing, they're a slow medium. So don't be put off trying a proper installation if the demonstration isn't that good. Yes, it is a good idea to try more than one distro to see which is better suited for you. But I haven't seen anybody mention the other important thing: See what technical support you can get for each, and which you prefer out of that. e.g. I find this mailing list very good. I haven't thought much of the Ubuntu forums, back when I was looking at it. If you can't use the distro all by yourself, and need help, you want it to be useful to you. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: a) such deals are not uncommon in the commercial world. It's only that SUSE uses this deal for marketing purposes, while there probably exist similar deals, the public simply never will know about. b) whom to consider the devil is (mostly) a religous matter. c) Times are changing: Though Microsoft and Linux definitely are not close friends, Microsoft's attitude towards Linux has changed at least to some extend. Also, the real threats to Linux and FLOSS is not Microsoft, anymore. There are a lot of answers, I could provide, if I wanted, but I am not interested in yet another flamewar ;) Back to OP's original question: To absolute beginners, from a mere usability POV, I in first place recommend Ubuntu, then openSUSE, then (with larger gap inbetween) followed by Fedora, ... Debian on last place. If freedom of software is your highest aim, then Debian should be your first choice, followed by Fedora, then a gap, then openSUSE, followed by Ubuntu on last place. From a mere technical standpoint, Fedora, Ubuntu and openSUSE all are on comparable levels and stages of development. Very well said, I see. Really came to know the Debian has largest pool of software. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Though be aware that Live CDs are a poor demonstration. For one thing, they're a slow medium. So don't be put off trying a proper installation if the demonstration isn't that good. Oh yes, but I can install from Live CD only and then just update the system after installation, is it fine, I guess. Yes, it is a good idea to try more than one distro to see which is better suited for you. But I haven't seen anybody mention the other important thing: See what technical support you can get for each, and which you prefer out of that. e.g. I find this mailing list very good. I haven't thought much of the Ubuntu forums, back when I was looking at it. If you can't use the distro all by yourself, and need help, you want it to be useful to you. Well, important point mentioned. (I guess) all the three have good supporting mailing lists, however, I have not compared. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Can this just stop. Clive -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Clive Hills discordia...@gmail.com wrote: Can this just stop. What to be stopped? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
нумерация страниц в disser
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Кто-нибудь подскажет, как убрать номер на последней странице
автореферата? Под реквизитами типографии всё время появляется номер
страницы. Не помогает даже \thispagestyle{empty}!
TIA
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Re: нумерация страниц в disser
--- On Wed, 12/21/11, Hiisi Troll saipp...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Hiisi Troll saipp...@gmail.com
Subject: нумерация страниц в disser
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 7:43 AM
Здравствуйте!
Кто-нибудь подскажет, как убрать
номер на последней странице
автореферата? Под реквизитами
типографии всё время появляется
номер
страницы. Не помогает даже
\thispagestyle{empty}!
TIA
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Я нашел это на веб-сайте:
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=214152
Пожалуйста, проверьте его. Надеюсь, что это помогает.
С уважением,
Антонио
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 15:40 +, Clive Hills wrote: I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Gratuitous invocations don't count. Can this just stop. Clive -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Mathematical Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
ipv6
I installed Fedorara 16 without GUI (command line). I would like disable ipv6. Can you help me? Andrea -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ipv6
On 12/21/2011 09:58 AM, Andrea Bencini wrote: I installed Fedorara 16 without GUI (command line). I would like disable ipv6. Can you help me? Andrea system-config-network or just edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-yournetworkadapter -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ipv6
In /etc/sysconfig/network Add the line: IPV6_NETWORKING=no Don't know why you'd disable it though, IPv6 is such a beautiful thing... ;) Sorry for top-posting, replied from my BB phone --Original Message-- From: Andrea Bencini Sender: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org ReplyTo: Community support for Fedora users Subject: ipv6 Sent: Dec 21, 2011 5:58 PM I installed Fedorara 16 without GUI (command line). I would like disable ipv6. Can you help me? Andrea -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 09:19 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-) Your IP address is not necessarily constant. And if you want to mask it you can use TOR, but we're getting way OT now. +1 And what if he/she might be using some anonymous web surfing tool like 'TOR'? I was ignoring this since the beginning. But now the truly zombie nature of the thread is starting to mess with my zen thing... Stop polluting the archives. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ipv6
You also might want to disable IPv6INIT in your adapters (ie, = no), In /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-* --Original Message-- From: Andrea Bencini Sender: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org ReplyTo: Community support for Fedora users Subject: ipv6 Sent: Dec 21, 2011 5:58 PM I installed Fedorara 16 without GUI (command line). I would like disable ipv6. Can you help me? Andrea -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
alternatives to revisor or fixes for creating fedora remixes
Hi Chaps, First post so do tell me to move onto another list if this is not the right place. I wanted to start using revisor but kept facing the /anaconda/-runtime not installed error. Have not got around to overcoming this err just yet. So what else do people use nowadays to create thier own Fedora respin? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ipv6
On 21/12/11 16:00, Steven Stern wrote: On 12/21/2011 09:58 AM, Andrea Bencini wrote: I installed Fedorara 16 without GUI (command line). I would like disable ipv6. Can you help me? Andrea system-config-network or just edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-yournetworkadapter IIRC I found that I (also) had to echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 /etc/sysctl.conf This takes affect after a reboot. There's another command you can use to make this work immediately, but it escapes me right now. Rich -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mouse and keyboard locking up [Solved - card reader was culprit - correction: problem caused by failing motherboard USB header/port]
On 12/20/2011 5:14 PM, Claude Jones wrote: No one responded on this, but, in case someone else has similar problems. The issue was caused by a card reader with three or four different slots in it for various sized cards, plus a USB port. Unplugging if from the machine has cured the problem. Plugged the supposedly offending card reader into a different USB header on the motherboard, the problem is still resolved. Apparently, the USB header on the motherboard was the culprit, not the card reader. -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ipv6
On 21.12.2011 15:58, Andrea Bencini wrote: I installed Fedorara 16 without GUI (command line). I would like disable ipv6. Can you help me? Andrea [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/disable-ipv6.conf options ipv6 disable=1 options net-pf-10 disable=1 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ipv6
Reindl Harald wrote: [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/disable-ipv6.conf options ipv6 disable=1 options net-pf-10 disable=1 The ipv6 module is now built-in to the kernel. This won't work. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ipv6
Rich Boyce wrote: This takes affect after a reboot. There's another command you can use to make this work immediately, but it escapes me right now. # sysctl -p However, I would say it is best to put the disable lines in the network scripts. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mouse and keyboard locking up [Solved - card reader was culprit - correction: problem caused by failing motherboard USB header/port]
Some USB ports are designed to supply more power than others. It could be the header is functional, but can't supply as much current as the card reader would like. On Dec 21, 2011 9:37 AM, Claude Jones cjonesli...@tehogeeservices.com wrote: On 12/20/2011 5:14 PM, Claude Jones wrote: No one responded on this, but, in case someone else has similar problems. The issue was caused by a card reader with three or four different slots in it for various sized cards, plus a USB port. Unplugging if from the machine has cured the problem. Plugged the supposedly offending card reader into a different USB header on the motherboard, the problem is still resolved. Apparently, the USB header on the motherboard was the culprit, not the card reader. -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.**org/mailman/listinfo/usershttps://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/**Mailing_list_guidelineshttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Long Boot Times, Again
As suggested, I've run systemd-analyze, and get: /home/rgheck/ systemd-analyze blame | head 60247ms sendmail.service 60228ms home-rgheck-files.mount 60192ms mnt-mail-multi.mount 2537ms udev-settle.service 1428ms rsyslog.service 1348ms mysqld.service 1146ms NetworkManager.service 1097ms bluetooth.service 837ms chronyd.service 812ms fedora-storage-init.service So both sendmail and these two network mounts are waiting about a minute for something to happen. Any suggestions about how to speed this up? I saw something about the comment=systemd.automount line in /etc/fstab, and I'll try that, but I'm still puzzled about why these mounts are sitting there for a minute. Is the _netdev flag the culprit? # On BobJ 192.168.1.1:/home/rgheck/files/ /home/rgheck/files nfs auto,user,rw,dev,nosuid,exec,_netdev 0 0 192.168.1.1:/multi/ /mnt/mail/multi nfs auto,nouser,rw,dev,nosuid,noexec,_netdev 0 0 Is this no longer needed? The other one of course is sendmail. I wonder if this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multipleid=748171 has anything to do with it? Other ideas welcome Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Long Boot Times, Again
On 12/21/2011 12:42 PM, Richard Heck wrote: As suggested, I've run systemd-analyze, and get: /home/rgheck/ systemd-analyze blame | head 60247ms sendmail.service ... The other one of course is sendmail. I wonder if this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multipleid=748171 has anything to do with it? Other ideas welcome This turned out to be due to a missing line in /etc/hosts, leading to My unqualified hostname (rghquad) unknown; sleeping for retry. rh -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ipv6
+1 - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: nu...@gmx.com [mailto:nu...@gmx.com] Verzonden: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 05:30 PM Aan: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Onderwerp: Re: ipv6 In /etc/sysconfig/network Add the line: IPV6_NETWORKING=no Don't know why you'd disable it though, IPv6 is such a beautiful thing... ;) Sorry for top-posting, replied from my BB phone --Original Message-- From: Andrea Bencini Sender: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org ReplyTo: Community support for Fedora users Subject: ipv6 Sent: Dec 21, 2011 5:58 PM I installed Fedorara 16 without GUI (command line). I would like disable ipv6. Can you help me? Andrea -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org __ Dit bericht kan informatie bevatten die niet voor u is bestemd. Indien u niet de geadresseerde bent of dit bericht abusievelijk aan u is toegezonden, wordt u verzocht dat aan de afzender te melden en het bericht te verwijderen. De Staat aanvaardt geen aansprakelijkheid voor schade, van welke aard ook, die verband houdt met risico's verbonden aan het elektronisch verzenden van berichten. This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you are not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you are requested to inform the sender and delete the message. The State accepts no liability for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent in the electronic transmission of messages. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can't copy lists in Yumex...
On Dec 20, 2011 5:40 PM, Linda McLeod lindavald...@fastmail.fm wrote: Sure would be nice if I could bring up installed in Yumex, and copy the list.. then paste that list into Yumex install for when I'm rebuilding a freshly formatted hd, to eliminate the lengthy search in Yumex in locating my many preferred packages.. This modification evolution could save users hours per install... -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org Hey Linda, You're right, the kind of functionality you are asking about would improve your use case greatly. The kind of tips and tricks seen in your responses aren't a 'modification evolution,' but based on methods built into Linux and all unix-like systems. Shell scripts can save a lot of time and effort, with pipes and redirects playing an integral role. I'll cite two resources that most on this list will recognize, and I'm sure everyone has other favorites in this vein. I encourage you to read through them, cover to cover, and experiment as you go along. You will learn a lot, and become much more confident as a user and system administrator. There are even sections on file/user permissions and basic system security I think you'll find especially interesting. http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/ Hope this helps, Pete -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 11:57 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Your IP address is not necessarily constant. -=- only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups, which brings down dsl modem. even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block; (adsl-184-41-x-x.mem.bellsouth.net[184.41.x.x]) even yahoo mail and gmail 'block' their clients, tho in different ways. And if you want to mask it you can use TOR, -=- no reason to. i am not trying to hide like some others do. but we're getting way OT now. -=- as so designated in 'Subject'. 'end of story'. :-) -- peace out. tc.hago, g . *please reply plain text only. html text are deleted* in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** The installation instructions stated to install Windows 2000 or better. So I installed Linux. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mouse and keyboard locking up [Solved - card reader was culprit - correction: problem caused by failing motherboard USB header/port]
On 12/21/2011 12:37 PM, Pete Travis wrote: Some USB ports are designed to supply more power than others. It could be the header is functional, but can't supply as much current as the card reader would like. The two headers are side-by-side; somehow, I doubt that one would have greater deliverable power than the other. I don't think a card reader has great power requirements, as well. It's not like a USB hard drive which I've had lots of issues with over the years (and I've actually never used it to read a card). My guess is that the motherboard USB port just failed. -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Long Boot Times, Again
On 12/21/2011 12:42 PM, Richard Heck wrote: As suggested, I've run systemd-analyze, and get: /home/rgheck/ systemd-analyze blame | head 60247ms sendmail.service 60228ms home-rgheck-files.mount 60192ms mnt-mail-multi.mount 2537ms udev-settle.service 1428ms rsyslog.service 1348ms mysqld.service 1146ms NetworkManager.service 1097ms bluetooth.service 837ms chronyd.service 812ms fedora-storage-init.service So both sendmail and these two network mounts are waiting about a minute for something to happen. Any suggestions about how to speed this up? I saw something about the comment=systemd.automount line in /etc/fstab, and I'll try that, but I'm still puzzled about why these mounts are sitting there for a minute. Well, I'm still puzzled, but the comment idea seems to have worked. I guess maybe the issue is that, with NetworkManager running, the network wasn't available yet? rh -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ipv6
On 21.12.2011 17:27, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/disable-ipv6.conf options ipv6 disable=1 options net-pf-10 disable=1 The ipv6 module is now built-in to the kernel. This won't work. this DOES work because it did never prevent load the module it DISABLES ipv6 _ THIS does prevent the module to load currently until F15 F16 i have not running anywhere this time CAUTION; do not use this variant on latest kernels if you need bridged-networking! [root@arrakis:~]$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/disable-ipv6.conf blacklist ipv6 blacklist net-pf-10 install net-pf-10 /bin/true install ipv6 /bin/true signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ipv6
what is beautiful in enable anything while not have ipv6 on the WAN side or other work to migrate a company with all it's firewalls to a dual-stack? On 21.12.2011 17:58, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: +1 - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: nu...@gmx.com [mailto:nu...@gmx.com] Verzonden: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 05:30 PM Aan: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Onderwerp: Re: ipv6 In /etc/sysconfig/network Add the line: IPV6_NETWORKING=no Don't know why you'd disable it though, IPv6 is such a beautiful thing... ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F16: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed
Hi, Since having upgraded to F16 from F14, I am drowning in messages similar to the one below on the console (corrupting any console output) [ 1400.353433] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed [ 1400.356601] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through accompanied by a message similar to the one in /var/log/messages (gradually filling it up) [ 1400.351374] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Test WP failed, assume Write Enabled [ 1400.353433] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed [ 1400.356601] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through Does anybody know a workaround/fix to prevent the kernel from issuing them rsp. at least to prevent them to pollute the console? [This machine (a netbook) only has one hard disk. sdb seems to refer to the builtin usb card reader.] Ralf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ipv6
Loads of options in IPv6 tunnelling: tunnelbroker.net (hurricane electric), sixxs.net, ... You get your own ::/64 global subnet (or ::/48 if you prefer). Basically anyone can get a global v6 address. Even with a dynamic IPv4 address. And if you channel everything through your tunnel you basically only have to maintain one firewall (ip6tables). -Original Message- From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net Sender: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:30:39 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: ipv6 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ipv6
why are you killing the quote? you will not tell me that you would use any production environment through any tunnel to get an additionall point of failure nor can you provide any production-service ipv6 only you need ipv4 addresses this time public for each machine and thanks god win-xp for each ssl-host! On 21.12.2011 18:40, nu...@gmx.com wrote: Loads of options in IPv6 tunnelling: tunnelbroker.net (hurricane electric), sixxs.net, ... You get your own ::/64 global subnet (or ::/48 if you prefer). Basically anyone can get a global v6 address. Even with a dynamic IPv4 address. And if you channel everything through your tunnel you basically only have to maintain one firewall (ip6tables). -Original Message- From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net Sender: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:30:39 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: ipv6 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F16: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: Hi, Since having upgraded to F16 from F14, I am drowning in messages similar to the one below on the console (corrupting any console output) [ 1400.353433] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed [ 1400.356601] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through accompanied by a message similar to the one in /var/log/messages (gradually filling it up) [ 1400.351374] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Test WP failed, assume Write Enabled [ 1400.353433] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed [ 1400.356601] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through Does anybody know a workaround/fix to prevent the kernel from issuing them rsp. at least to prevent them to pollute the console? I noticed this happening at regular intervals on my wife's F15 laptop as well. I don't know what the cause is... Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can't copy lists in Yumex...
On 12/21/2011 05:17 AM, Christina Salls wrote: Nice!! Just tried your suggestion. Very handy. I am trying to keep documentation on all of my systems and compare installed packages. Thanks! Yes, tee is a neat little filter. I used it constantly when I was cleaning out duplicate packages after the upgrade from F14 to F16 sour. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 07:40 AM, Clive Hills wrote: I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Can this just stop. Clive No. Mentioning him simply to end a thread doesn't count; you have to invoke him in anger. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ipv6
Sorry about the top post. (I'm still replying from my phone BB OS 5 doesn't let you interleave or bottom post). True, on production systems I usually dual-stack but at home on smaller networks I maintain I've used he.net to maintain various subnets over the last 3 years have had hardly any issues at with it from a general user's (web browsing, mail, etc) perspective. the cool thing about v6 six is I don't have to ask for a public IP address for each of my clients as I can just use the generated v6 (or assign one) set up my dns adresses for easier access and voila! -Original Message- From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net Sender: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:44:38 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: ipv6 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Long Boot Times, Again
On 12/21/2011 06:17 PM, Richard Heck wrote: On 12/21/2011 12:42 PM, Richard Heck wrote: As suggested, I've run systemd-analyze, and get: /home/rgheck/ systemd-analyze blame | head 60247ms sendmail.service 60228ms home-rgheck-files.mount 60192ms mnt-mail-multi.mount 2537ms udev-settle.service 1428ms rsyslog.service 1348ms mysqld.service 1146ms NetworkManager.service 1097ms bluetooth.service 837ms chronyd.service 812ms fedora-storage-init.service So both sendmail and these two network mounts are waiting about a minute for something to happen. Any suggestions about how to speed this up? I saw something about the comment=systemd.automount line in /etc/fstab, and I'll try that, but I'm still puzzled about why these mounts are sitting there for a minute. Well, I'm still puzzled, but the comment idea seems to have worked. I guess maybe the issue is that, with NetworkManager running, the network wasn't available yet? That's exactly it. The comment= syntax is bizarre, but it does the trick. Andrew. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
/var/log/messages
I just tried to check something in /var/log/messages and noticed something: the last entry was on Dec 6 when I rebooted to start the upgrade from F14 to F16. Since then, nothing. I presume that something was turned off during the upgrade but I don't know what and I don't know the syntax of the new system well enough to find out. Suggestions? Also, if anybody has a url for a cheat sheet, I'd probably not be the only person who'd appreciate having it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: /var/log/messages
On 21/12/11 19:59, Joe Zeff wrote: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2011-December/410018.html -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups, which brings down dsl modem. I used to do this type of stuff at an ISP. What you have is a fairly long lease on an IP. When that lease expires, your modem has to renew it. There's a good chance that you'll get another lease on the same IP, but not always. If the modem goes down briefly, or there's a short loss of signal, you'll still have the same IP. If you want to be (almost) sure your IP changes, leave it off for at least fifteen minutes. Why I qualified that last statement is left as an exercise for the reader. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block; (adsl-184-41-x-x.mem.bellsouth.net[184.41.x.x]) Sorry to respond twice. It only just occurred to me that I should comment on this as well. What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone company isn't a modem or a router, but I can't remember any more what it's called. (It's been eight years since I needed to know.) However, if you think of it as a dumb router that does nothing except DHCP and passing packets, you'll be close enough. The point is, that device has a fixed pool of IP addresses, all from the same subnet, to pass out. Thus, as long as you're connecting to that device, you're going to get an address from the same block. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 12:25 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone company isn't a modem or a router, but I can't remember any more what it's called. It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone company's switch. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: /var/log/messages
On 12/21/2011 12:04 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 21/12/11 19:59, Joe Zeff wrote: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2011-December/410018.html Excellent. Thank you. The odd thing here is that the link mentioned in that post already existed. And, I'd still appreciate a cheat sheet if one exists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
RE:/var/log/messages
Try here ! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 12:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone company's switch. Thank you, Patrick. I knew it had a simple name, but after eight years of not needing to think about it I'd forgotten. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: /var/log/messages
On 12/21/2011 01:13 PM, Alan J. Gagne wrote: Try here ! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd Thanx, Alan, I've bookmarked it JIC. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 10:58 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: As the great Yogi Berra once said This is like deja vu all over again. Nearly the exact same question came up very recently on this list...as well as the Ubuntu list...as well as the openSUSE list. Even all of the responses seem nearly the same. Not only that, the new person was also from the same country. -=- thank you for posting that. there is more to 'their' post than just same country, which i will not go into on list. due to some other more important things that are pressing on my mind, i was almost starting to believe that i was about to 'lose it'. then when i looked back thru 'their' post, i started regaining confidence. now reading your post again, i am convinced that i was not wrong. more importantly, i am not 'losing it'. 8-D the new person has more repeating than just of their questions. it is interesting that 'they' *think* changing the posting name will change 'them'. what is really sorrowful is that 'they' seems to believe that 'they' have to ask 'their' questions in personae. where in, had 'they' just come forward to start, or even in personae, and listened to suggestions of making up 'their' own minds by using a live cd/dvd, 'they' could have picked 2, 3, 4 or how ever many distribs they want and have had them checked out by now and decided on what to use. but, i guess that would have been too logical and reasonable. 8-D later. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . *please reply plain text only. html text are deleted* in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** The installation instructions stated to install Windows 2000 or better. So I installed Linux. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 2011/12/21 10:56, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 12/21/2011 07:40 AM, Clive Hills wrote:
I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler.
Can this just stop.
Clive
No. Mentioning him simply to end a thread doesn't count; you have to invoke him
in anger.
There is also the philosophical question regarding mentioning Stalin,
Caligula, Temujin, or others if their ilk would do the same as the
mention of Hitler.
- That way REAL quickly {O,o}
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
snip As the great Yogi Berra once said This is like deja vu all over again. /snip The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation conversation is my Delete Message button, applied with gusto. Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F16: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.dewrote: Hi, Since having upgraded to F16 from F14, I am drowning in messages similar to the one below on the console (corrupting any console output) [ 1400.353433] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed [ 1400.356601] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through accompanied by a message similar to the one in /var/log/messages (gradually filling it up) [ 1400.351374] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Test WP failed, assume Write Enabled [ 1400.353433] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed [ 1400.356601] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through Does anybody know a workaround/fix to prevent the kernel from issuing them rsp. at least to prevent them to pollute the console? [This machine (a netbook) only has one hard disk. sdb seems to refer to the builtin usb card reader.] Ralf Hi, Can you post your /proc/mounts. I am not sure whether I will find anything, but curious on this. Thanks, Soham -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.**org/mailman/listinfo/usershttps://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/**Mailing_list_guidelineshttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 08:15 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups, which brings down dsl modem. I used to do this type of stuff at an ISP. What you have is a fairly long lease on an IP. When that lease expires, your modem has to renew it. There's a good chance that you'll get another lease on the same IP, but not always. If the modem goes down briefly, or there's a short loss of signal, you'll still have the same IP. If you want to be (almost) sure your IP changes, leave it off for at least fifteen minutes. Why I qualified that last statement is left as an exercise for the reader. -=- so i have been told. i do not know how long the lease is, but i do know that it is longer than 30 days. i used to have dsl modem power brick plugged in wall outlet. i realized my error a good while back when i lost mains and i was downloading a large file and had about 10 minutes remaining. if i had brick plugged into ups, i could have halted dl and resumed when mains can back up. it was not a torrent. :-( i did correct my error. now, from time to time when i 'pull plugs', i get a new ip and really not concerned how long i hold ip. now, sometimes i pull dsl line just to refresh ip and avoid 'crazies' hacking ip blocks. -+- On 12/21/2011 08:25 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block; (adsl-184-41-x-x.mem.bellsouth.net[184.41.x.x]) Sorry to respond twice. It only just occurred to me that I should comment on this as well. What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone company isn't a modem or a router, but I can't remember any more what it's called. (It's been eight years since I needed to know.) However, if you think of it as a dumb router that does nothing except DHCP and passing packets, you'll be close enough. The point is, that device has a fixed pool of IP addresses, all from the same subnet, to pass out. Thus, as long as you're connecting to that device, you're going to get an address from the same block. -=- not a problem. first jump is run to a rather large cabinet at side of a street, about 8 blocks away, where it goes from copper to fiber. then connects to a 'central office' about 5 miles away. what is in between me and 'co', i have no idea. [see attached for a tracerute] when i first signed up with aDSL, i did not get speed i am paying for, so i call att to have a check run to see what/where problem was. as it turns out, i am at end of a run, approx 3k20 feet of copper. :-( so instead of 138 kbps, i average around 86 kbps. fiber is in my future. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . *please reply plain text only. html text are deleted* in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** The installation instructions stated to install Windows 2000 or better. So I installed Linux. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ [geo@argosyiayia ~]$ traceroute redhat.com traceroute to redhat.com (209.132.183.81), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 * home (192.168.1.254) 3.144 ms 4.321 ms 2 adsl-184-41-46-1.mem.bellsouth.net (184.41.46.1) 45.383 ms 55.195 ms 62.922 ms 3 70.159.236.41 (70.159.236.41) 74.638 ms 84.621 ms 92.382 ms 4 12.81.52.42 (12.81.52.42) 109.896 ms 117.709 ms 127.206 ms 5 12.81.52.48 (12.81.52.48) 136.988 ms 146.687 ms 156.473 ms 6 12.81.32.130 (12.81.32.130) 166.468 ms 174.450 ms 182.877 ms 7 12.81.32.107 (12.81.32.107) 147.361 ms 147.429 ms 149.462 ms 8 74.175.192.198 (74.175.192.198) 147.560 ms 147.359 ms 149.449 ms 9 cr1.nsvtn.ip.att.net (12.122.148.14) 151.558 ms 153.646 ms 155.813 ms 10 cr2.attga.ip.att.net (12.122.28.105) 155.677 ms 151.678 ms 155.691 ms 11 attga04jt.ip.att.net (12.122.84.149) 147.626 ms 147.593 ms 147.491 ms 12 192.205.37.166 (192.205.37.166) 187.310 ms 177.580 ms 169.962 ms 13 * * * 14 phn-edge-06.inet.qwest.net (205.171.12.146) 194.939 ms phn-edge-06.inet.qwest.net (205.171.12.142) 192.929 ms phn-edge-06.inet.qwest.net (205.171.12.146) 190.742 ms 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 63-232-247-146.dia.static.qwest.net (63.232.247.146) 109.593 ms !X * * [geo@argosyiayia ~]$ traceroute fedoraproject.com traceroute to fedoraproject.com (209.132.176.120), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 home (192.168.1.254) 1.665 ms 4.706 ms 4.670 ms 2 adsl-184-41-46-1.mem.bellsouth.net (184.41.46.1) 41.403 ms 51.153 ms 60.905 ms 3 70.159.236.41 (70.159.236.41) 72.689 ms 82.599 ms 92.309 ms 4 12.81.52.40 (12.81.52.40) 107.995 ms
Theme extension broke
Just wondering has anyone experienced the inability to use the theme selector in gnome tweak tool. Does not offer the option of reporting it as a bug. It has been broke more than a month. -- Lawrence Graves All things are workable but don't all things work. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Theme extension broke
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Lawrence Graves lgrave...@gmail.comwrote: Just wondering has anyone experienced the inability to use the theme selector in gnome tweak tool. Does not offer the option of reporting it as a bug. It has been broke more than a month. -- Lawrence Graves ** All things are workable but don't all things work.** -- Yea I have the same issue here, forgot about it til I saw this email. -- Mister Jones -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Theme extension broke
Hi, the bug was reported and fixed upstream; https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666054 You should write a bug report to merge the fix in the gnome-tweak-tool package. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dbus-daemon error message persisting
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:47 AM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: Thanks for the info. But is there any simple way of stopping upowerd? I tested yum-removing it, but this would have taken dozens of applications with it. You can just remove /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.UPower.service. That file could be restored on update, though. Unfortunately, upower is central to the power management features of many desktops, so doing so may cause problems with your desktop environment, especially if you're using a laptop. -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Theme extension broke
On 12/21/2011 04:44 PM, Mohamed El Morabity wrote: Hi, the bug was reported and fixed upstream; https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666054 You should write a bug report to merge the fix in the gnome-tweak-tool package. Thanks for this information but this doesn't change what I am experiencing with my selector. -- Lawrence Graves All things are workable but don't all things work. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 09:15 +1100, Roger wrote: snip As the great Yogi Berra once said This is like deja vu all over again. /snip The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation conversation is my Delete Message button, applied with gusto. Roger evidently your aim isn't so good and you hit the reply button instead of delete button. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
getting the nologin users out of the login dialog
Okay, one question at a time, even though I'm pretty sure it's just two faces of the same problem. In fedora14 users whose login shell (in /etc/passwd) is specified as /sbin/nologin do not show up in the login dialog. In Fedora15, they do. Does any one know of a setting to fix this? I read in the man pages for xdm about /etc/shell, but /sbin/nologin, for all that it seems to me it should not be in there, has been in there since before fedora13. I tried taking it out anyway, but that didn't fix anything. Not seeing anything else in the configuration options that addresses this. Joel Rees -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
login dialog doesn't scroll in F15
Has this been fixed? Anyone besides me with a login user list long enough to make this bug show up? Is it possibly just a configuration file issue? Joel Rees -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wednesday 21 December 2011 06:58:08 Antonio Olivares wrote: Still take for example the Android platform which is Linux/GNU/Linux. Wait, is there really any GNU in the Android? I thought that Android was a textbook example of a Linux-based non-GNU OS... ;-) // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, smiling in a diabolic way... // :- Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, smiling in a diabolic way... // Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of troll? :-) :-) -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in Mostly Harmless -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 22/12/11 11:58, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 09:15 +1100, Roger wrote: snip As the great Yogi Berra once said This is like deja vu all over again. /snip The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation conversation is myDelete Message button, applied with gusto. Roger evidently your aim isn't so good and you hit the reply button instead of delete button. Craig Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
xev and certain windows
I've not needed to do this for a long time and I thought it works But, here is the skinny. If I obtain the window id of, for example, a libre office window, using xwininfo and then invoke xev with the -id parameter things seem to work as expected. For example, pressing 1 in the libre office window results in: KeyPress event, serial 16, synthetic NO, window 0x520002f, root 0x124, subw 0x0, time 142007296, (357,352), root:(365,375), state 0x10, keycode 10 (keysym 0x31, 1), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (31) 1 XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (31) 1 XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 16, synthetic NO, window 0x520002f, root 0x124, subw 0x0, time 142007424, (357,352), root:(365,375), state 0x10, keycode 10 (keysym 0x31, 1), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (31) 1 XFilterEvent returns: False However, when doing this with a Firefox, Thunderbird, and Chrome (for example) it doesn't work. A key press simply results in PropertyNotify event, serial 14, synthetic NO, window 0x233, atom 0x143 (_NET_WM_USER_TIME), time 142233172, state PropertyNewValue So, how to trace key events in the same manner in those types of windows? -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in Mostly Harmless -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting the nologin users out of the login dialog
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:24:24 +0900, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, one question at a time, even though I'm pretty sure it's just two faces of the same problem. In fedora14 users whose login shell (in /etc/passwd) is specified as /sbin/nologin do not show up in the login dialog. In Fedora15, they do. I filed a bug about this (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=670244) and there is reference there to an upstream bug. It is marked as a duplicate of https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643444 which suggests the problem may be upstream of gnome. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred = hyperbole -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in Mostly Harmless -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred = hyperbole I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... they never listened. ;-) Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Clean Installs are Remarkable
I cannot believe that we are at F16. I clearly recall RH9 to FC-1. But I digress. I know that others have said this in the past. I just thought that I would reinforce the notion that clean installs remove a large number of annoying problems that persist through upgrades. Moreover, it is refreshing to start with a clean desktop; something that has become a palette for the way we think and do things. It has been awhile and I was unaware of the many advances that developers have made in installation. It has never been this easy, intuitive and fast. I was in a Walgreens the other day and picked up a bunch of Sony DVD's for 40 cents each. There was a time when burning a DVD through Linux was a considerable challenge. Now it is routine --- and cheap. The perfect excuse for backing up the accumulated bytes; It makes you think what you really want to retain. Then wiping the HD clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Thursday 22 December 2011 09:35:59 Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, smiling in a diabolic way... // Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of troll? :-) :-) Nah, that wouldn't be a challenge. :-D The main thing I was trying was to get *others* to label me as a troll, so that I could obtain my deserved place on this list alongside with some other Great Trolls, but unfortunately I failed every time. I'm more like a troll wannabe, but never actually making the cut. ;-) What can I do, my trolling skills just aren't good enough for people on this list... They seem to see through my intentions, and refuse to grant me with a genuine troll label, no matter how hard I try to convince them that I deserve it. ;-) But thanks for the thought, it encourages me to keep trying. :-D Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting the nologin users out of the login dialog
On 12/21/2011 05:24 PM, Joel Rees wrote: In fedora14 users whose login shell (in /etc/passwd) is specified as /sbin/nologin do not show up in the login dialog. In Fedora15, they do. Does any one know of a setting to fix this? It's quite possible it's a bug in the login manager. If you're using gdm, try switching to kdm, or the other way around. If it only shows up in one, report it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred = hyperbole I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... they never listened. ;-) Craig And my dad used to say, If I've told you once, I've told you a million times: don't exaggerate. Sometimes he threw a dammit in. -- cmg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/22/2011 11:46 AM, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred = hyperbole I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... they never listened. ;-) Craig I (grieviously) fear that wasn't hyperbole, but a quantum fluctuation which permitted Roger to remember the future. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Clean Installs are Remarkable
On 12/21/2011 07:06 PM, Fedora User wrote: It has been awhile and I was unaware of the many advances that developers have made in installation. It has never been this easy, intuitive and fast. That's good to know. Even if I manage to get this desktop cleaned up and working, I'm considering saving up enough money to upgrade to a new mobo. (This one's been working for about eight years, now, and is showing its limitations.) When I do, there's no reason not to get one with enough RAM to need a 64 bit system, meaning, of course, a clean install. Hearing how easy it is is very good news. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/22/2011 11:22 AM, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred = hyperbole I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... they never listened. ;-) Craig And my dad used to say, If I've told you once, I've told you a million times: don't exaggerate. Sometimes he threw a dammit in. You know, I think Roger is another in the long line of those that have proven the axiom If you don't like the length or absurdness of a thread, don't comment as it will only add to the length and/or increase the absurdness geometrically. :-) -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in Mostly Harmless -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting the nologin users out of the login dialog
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:24:24 +0900, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, one question at a time, even though I'm pretty sure it's just two faces of the same problem. In fedora14 users whose login shell (in /etc/passwd) is specified as /sbin/nologin do not show up in the login dialog. In Fedora15, they do. I filed a bug about this (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=670244) and there is reference there to an upstream bug. It is marked as a duplicate of https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643444 which suggests the problem may be upstream of gnome. X11? Okay, thanks. And thanks for saving me the trouble of filing the bug. I'll put myself on tracking for it, I think. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mouse and keyboard locking up...
Re: mouse and keyboard locking up [Solved - card reader was culprit - correction: problem caused by failing motherboard USB header/port] __ More and more this mess is reading like the problem might be a only a loose USB connector solder-joint, from to much harsh traffic.. The biggest failure reason in today's electronics are caused by poorly set wave soldering specs... Most repair people know that re-soldering a problematic circuit-board will fix most hardware troubles... -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 03:11 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Thursday 22 December 2011 09:35:59 Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, smiling in a diabolic way... // Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of troll? :-) :-) Nah, that wouldn't be a challenge. :-D The main thing I was trying was to get *others* to label me as a troll, so that I could obtain my deserved place on this list alongside with some other Great Trolls, but unfortunately I failed every time. it would be pretty hard to 'out troll' Marcel/Gilpel. Then there was the troll king, Karl and if his was intentional, well... then he had a tremendous gift. The highest you could ever achieve would be 3rd place all time and it seems obvious that you lack the inner rage to qualify. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting the nologin users out of the login dialog
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 12/21/2011 05:24 PM, Joel Rees wrote: In fedora14 users whose login shell (in /etc/passwd) is specified as /sbin/nologin do not show up in the login dialog. In Fedora15, they do. Does any one know of a setting to fix this? It's quite possible it's a bug in the login manager. If you're using gdm, try switching to kdm, or the other way around. If it only shows up in one, report it. Okay, that sounds like a fun thing to try. (Well, since Bruno reported it, I can just track the bug, instead.) Any idea where I should start on switching to kdm? I kept reading something about a switcher application, I suppose I should look at that some more? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: getting the nologin users out of the login dialog
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 12:57 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 12/21/2011 05:24 PM, Joel Rees wrote: In fedora14 users whose login shell (in /etc/passwd) is specified as /sbin/nologin do not show up in the login dialog. In Fedora15, they do. Does any one know of a setting to fix this? It's quite possible it's a bug in the login manager. If you're using gdm, try switching to kdm, or the other way around. If it only shows up in one, report it. Okay, that sounds like a fun thing to try. (Well, since Bruno reported it, I can just track the bug, instead.) Any idea where I should start on switching to kdm? I kept reading something about a switcher application, I suppose I should look at that some more? http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-May/009431.html Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 07:56 PM, Craig White wrote: it would be pretty hard to 'out troll' Marcel/Gilpel. Maybe, but I'm sure that Sgt. Detritus could manage it, and that Diamond is in a class by himself. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: login dialog doesn't scroll in F15
On 12/22/2011 02:26 AM, Joel Rees wrote: Has this been fixed? Anyone besides me with a login user list long enough to make this bug show up? Is it possibly just a configuration file issue? Joel Rees Hi Joel, after having added 10 users and restarting gdm (so I have totally 11 users), I get a *scrollable* list on the gdm login screen: the problem you described does not appear on my box (fully updated F16). Kind regards Joachim Backes -- Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone company's switch. Now a ways, router are used more often, some boxy type of thing. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: conversation is my Delete Message button, applied with gusto. Roger evidently your aim isn't so good and you hit the reply button instead of delete button. +1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
