Re: Ogg to mp3, anyone?

[NOSpaze]

On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 01:03 +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I'm looking for a Fedora/KDE application to convert ogg music format to mp3.
> (My Android phone does not accept .ogg files.)

FILENAME=~/mp3/Paradoxes/NeverSayNever.ogg
ffmpeg -i $FILENAME -ab 128 ${FILENAME/.ogg/.mp3}

However, converting to any lossy format causes the audio to lose quality
each time a compression is made (that means wav->ogg loses something;
ogg->mp3 loses even more).

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Re: Applications do not close with new kernel

[Joe Zeff]

On 02/19/2012 11:27 PM, mike cloaked wrote:

If you got rid of the top panel initially did you install the
notification area back into the bottom panel?


Of course.  I have the notification area, log out, workspace switcher 
and so on, all on one panel.

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Re: Applications do not close with new kernel

[mike cloaked]

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
> On 02/19/2012 09:24 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
>>
>> I remember when I did the initial install of Xfce, there was a second
>> panel on the bottom of the screen with a couple items including a
>> magnifying glass. I deleted that panel as quickly as I could as it
>> blocked screen real estate.
>
>
> I got rid of the top panel for the same reason.
>

If you got rid of the top panel initially did you install the
notification area back into the bottom panel?  i.e. go to Applications
Menu->Settings->Panel and navigate to the "Items" - the Notification
Area can be added using the "+" at the right.  I don't know if this is
key to application shutdown but it is worth having anyway since the
network icon sits in that which is "quite useful"!


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Re: Applications do not close with new kernel

[Joe Zeff]

On 02/19/2012 10:10 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:


I couldn't get myself to do that ... I've always beleived I can give one
small chunk at the top or (and that is the critical word) bottom for
clickable shortcuts


Yes, of course.  I still have a bottom panel, of course.
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Re: Applications do not close with new kernel

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 2/19/2012 9:32 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 02/19/2012 09:24 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

I remember when I did the initial install of Xfce, there was a second
panel on the bottom of the screen with a couple items including a
magnifying glass. I deleted that panel as quickly as I could as it
blocked screen real estate.


I got rid of the top panel for the same reason.


Joe:

I couldn't get myself to do that ... I've always beleived I can give one 
small chunk at the top or (and that is the critical word) bottom for 
clickable shortcuts


Paul

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Re: Ogg to mp3, anyone?

[Michael Cronenworth]

On 02/19/2012 07:03 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

(My Android phone does not accept .ogg files.)


Huh? According to Google[1], Android supports Ogg Vorbis (.ogg) decoding.

[1] http://developer.android.com/guide/appendix/media-formats.html#core
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Re: Applications do not close with new kernel

[Joe Zeff]

On 02/19/2012 09:24 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

I remember when I did the initial install of Xfce, there was a second
panel on the bottom of the screen with a couple items including a
magnifying glass. I deleted that panel as quickly as I could as it
blocked screen real estate.


I got rid of the top panel for the same reason.
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Re: Applications do not close with new kernel

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 2/19/2012 9:10 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 02/18/2012 10:31 PM, Scott Doty wrote:

To find an application:
1) Click the magnifying glass in the bottom panel
2) Select category, or just start typing for auto search completion


What magnifying glass?  I don't have one.  When I want the Main Menu 
in XFCE, I just right click on the Desktop and there it is.


Joe:

I remember when I did the initial install of Xfce, there was a second 
panel on the bottom of the screen with a couple items including a 
magnifying glass. I deleted that panel as quickly as I could as it 
blocked screen real estate.


Paul
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Re: Applications do not close with new kernel

[Joe Zeff]

On 02/18/2012 10:31 PM, Scott Doty wrote:

To find an application:
1) Click the magnifying glass in the bottom panel
2) Select category, or just start typing for auto search completion


What magnifying glass?  I don't have one.  When I want the Main Menu in 
XFCE, I just right click on the Desktop and there it is.

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[SOLVED:] Re: xsane problem - also hp-setup w/ hp7510

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 2/19/2012 7:28 PM, Gabriel Ramirez wrote:



Hi,

the rpms installed on my system are:

hpijs-3.11.12-1.fc16.x86_64
hplip-3.11.12-1.fc16.x86_64
hplip-common-3.11.12-1.fc16.x86_64
hplip-gui-3.11.12-1.fc16.x86_64
hplip-libs-3.11.12-1.fc16.x86_64
libsane-hpaio-3.11.12-1.fc16.x86_64

I have a Hp c7280 to detect it with hp-setup I have:


- select  Network/Ethernet/Wireless network
- select Show advanced options
- enable manual discovery
- type the ip address of the printer

Regards,

Gabriel




Gabriel:

You provided the necessary piece of info that I overlooked (as we would 
say in the States .. "Bingo!").


I had all the rpms, but what happened was I got fooled by the 
"system-config-print cups hpijs" setup through admin->printing in which 
it was able to search and find without my doing anything. I was trying 
the Network/Ethernet/Wireless expecting the same. I looked in the 
advance options for an alternative rather than thinking of using it "in 
addition to". As I had already realized I needed the printer to be 
static IP and got that done this morning, I did the "manual discovery" 
and it worked. I would say hp-setup found it but its more like your 
suggestion was "stopping looking all over, its right under your nose at 
this address!".


When I print something (an html, for example), I am now seeing two 
instances of the printer ... the one created through 
"system-config-print cups hpijs" and a second created to hp-setup. I am 
assuming that I can delete the first and that the whole "system-[...]" 
sequence could have been skipped in favor of hp-setup. I want to test 
with a bunch of different situations, plus do on both F14 and F16 (I 
just tested with F14 as its beside me and not downstairs ... I've gone 
up and down them so many times, I've gotten my manditory exercise for 
the day!).


The great part was that when I ran the scanner tool, xsane immediately 
found the HP 7510 and scans like a champ. Mind you, the HP 7510 won't 
scan directly to the Linux box as it only wants to acknowledge where the 
"official HP software is" (the XP box), but that's academic as I have no 
problems with do all scans as "pulls" rather than being able to "push" 
--- I usually pull scans from my XP rather than start the process out on 
the printer/scanner. I did reboots to make sure it wasn't a matter of 
something needing to be kicked.


Tomorrow I'll run the full set of tests.

I really really thank you (assume html bold/italic here). Though it may 
seem obvious to use the "manual" option, I was too deep into trying to 
figure out all the different things that might be happening that 
"obvious" was just not in my range.


My thanks also go to Terry for all his help. Everything worked per his 
advice once the "obvious" was painted on the side of a big barn for me 
to see.


Paul



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Re: Ogg to mp3, anyone?

[Andrew McNabb]

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 01:03:16AM +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for a Fedora/KDE application to convert ogg music format to mp3.
> (My Android phone does not accept .ogg files.)
> 
> I read of a program "sneetchalizer", which apparently is a ruby script,
> ,
> but despite innumerable clues I've been unable to find the program itself.
> 
> If anyone knows where I can find this program,
> or any program to convert Ogg audio files to mp3,
> I would be very grateful.

I've had good luck with Oggify:

http://scottr.org/oggify/

It's handy for converting a tree of files between different formats.

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Does anyone have gdm autologin working in the XFCE spin

[Sam Varshavchik]

On a machine where I installed the XFCE spin, gdm autologin to a user  
account is not working. I copied custom.conf from a different Gnome-based  
machine where autologin is working, but on the one with the XFCE spin, the  
autologin fails, and kick me back to a regular user login prompt, in gdm.


I can only think of three possibilities: something in /etc/pam.d/gdm- 
autologin is barfing; or the PAM stuff runs fine, but leaves the user  
session in a state that can't start XFCE, for some reason; or gdm's  
autologin is hardcoded for the Gnome shell in some way, which won't work,  
obviously, in the XFCE spin.


If you have gdm autologin working in the XFCE spin, I'd like to compare  
notes.


I have selinux turned off. The only other factor I can think of that might  
be relevant is that the XFCE spin machine has everything mounted noatime.




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Re: Ogg to mp3, anyone?

[Richard Shaw]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a Fedora/KDE application to convert ogg music format to mp3.
> (My Android phone does not accept .ogg files.)
>
> I read of a program "sneetchalizer", which apparently is a ruby script,
> ,
> but despite innumerable clues I've been unable to find the program itself.
>
> If anyone knows where I can find this program,
> or any program to convert Ogg audio files to mp3,
> I would be very grateful.

I think you're missing the easiest method... If you put a file called
".is_audio_player" on the root of your SD card with the right info in
it[1] and Banshee will automatically convert files when you add them
to you phone. I'm surprised about ogg though. My android 2.2 phone has
no problems with ogg files.

[1] 
http://act1v8.wordpress.com/2007/10/07/make-banshee-recognize-your-mass-storage-device-as-a-dap/

Richard
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Re: xsane problem - also hp-setup w/ hp7510

[Gabriel Ramirez]

On 02/19/2012 06:27 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:


That being said, I am 100% functional for printing and, given that I
only scan about 20 items a year, using the F14 or XP box is quite
acceptable. Not certain if my continued effort is actually going to gain
me anything except personal satisfaction.

If anyone has a HP 7510 running as networked (wireless into a router)
and can run hp-setup, I'd appreciate knowing so I can see if I am
missing something.

Thanks,
Paul



Hi,

the rpms installed on my system are:

hpijs-3.11.12-1.fc16.x86_64
hplip-3.11.12-1.fc16.x86_64
hplip-common-3.11.12-1.fc16.x86_64
hplip-gui-3.11.12-1.fc16.x86_64
hplip-libs-3.11.12-1.fc16.x86_64
libsane-hpaio-3.11.12-1.fc16.x86_64

I have a Hp c7280 to detect it with hp-setup I have:


- select  Network/Ethernet/Wireless network
- select Show advanced options
- enable manual discovery
- type the ip address of the printer

Regards,

Gabriel


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Re: Applications do not close with new kernel

[Genes MailLists]

On 02/19/2012 07:02 PM, Roger wrote:

> 
> Mouse batteries are new.
> Other desktops are fine.

  Then it seems to me it may not be the kernel per se ... perhaps its a
gnome or X driver bug that is triggered by gnome which can put more
pressure on the graphics sub system.

  gene/
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Re: Ogg to mp3, anyone?

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 01:03:16 +
Timothy Murphy wrote:

> I'm looking for a Fedora/KDE application to convert ogg music format to mp3.
> (My Android phone does not accept .ogg files.)

mplayer and mencoder and do anything, but you need to sort through
the 187 factorial combination of options :-). They are available
in the rpmfusion repos.

The audacity version from rpmfusion is probably a simpler way.
You can load the .ogg file and export it as an mp3 and most of
the defaults will be reasonable.
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Re: upowerd dbus messages in /var/log/messages

[Tom Horsley]

On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:56:57 -0500
Lester M Petrie wrote:

> Hi
> 
> The following 2 lines are repeated every 30 secs in /var/log/messages. 
> What causes them, or more importantly, how can I stop them.  This is a 
> desktop machine running Fedora 16.

Fixing the source of the messages is beyond me, but making them
disappear from the log is possible. Here are my notes on some
annoying message I managed to get rid of:

systemd drivel
==

There are tons of these messages in the log files:

Nov 18 19:59:01 zooty systemd-logind[936]: New session 413 of user tom.
Nov 18 19:59:02 zooty systemd-logind[936]: Removed session 413.

the rsyslogd filtering should be able to get rid of them:

Make a new file: /etc/rsyslog.d/systemd-drivel.conf

:programname, isequal, "systemd-logind" ~
:msg, contains, "Activating via systemd" ~
:msg, contains, "Activation via systemd failed" ~
:msg, contains, "org.freedesktop.systemd" ~

(While I was in there, tossed in a few more rules to get rid
of other less frequent but still annoying clutter messages.)
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Re: Ogg to mp3, anyone?

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Monday 20 February 2012 09:10:50 Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 02/20/2012 09:03 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > I'm looking for a Fedora/KDE application to convert ogg music format to
> > mp3. (My Android phone does not accept .ogg files.)
> 
> Giving a cursory glance would seem to indicate this can easily be done
> on the command line using a combination of  oggdec and lame.

I second this approach. It is easily scriptable, and both oggdec and lame are 
readily available and easy to work with.

Note, though, that conversion between ogg and mp3 will drastically deteriorate 
the audio quality of the recording. It would be much better to find the master 
recording (the source wav file or the audio cd) and convert it directly to mp3.

Of course, the deterioration of signal ultimately depends on the quality of 
the playback device. :-)

Also, isn't it possible to install an ogg codec into Android somehow? I am 
pretty ignorant about the whole Android technology, but I understand it is 
basically a Linux-kernel-based OS, so...

HTH, :-)
Marko


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Re: Ogg to mp3, anyone?

[nomnex]

> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 01:03:16 +
> Timothy Murphy  wrote:

> If anyone knows where I can find this program,
> or any program to convert Ogg audio files to mp3,
 
"Sound converter" GTK (GUI front end). It's in the Fedora repo.

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Re: Ogg to mp3, anyone?

[Ranjan Maitra]

Does mp4 work for you? In that case, you can use vlc:
http://maketecheasier.com/convert-ogg-to-mp4-using-vlc-media-player/2008/02/18

I have not had the need to do this yet.

Ranjan

On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 01:03:16 + Timothy Murphy 
wrote:

> 
> I'm looking for a Fedora/KDE application to convert ogg music format to mp3.
> (My Android phone does not accept .ogg files.)
> 
> I read of a program "sneetchalizer", which apparently is a ruby script,
> ,
> but despite innumerable clues I've been unable to find the program itself.
> 
> If anyone knows where I can find this program,
> or any program to convert Ogg audio files to mp3,
> I would be very grateful.
> 
> 
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> tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
> s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin
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Re: Ogg to mp3, anyone?

[JD]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:

>
> I'm looking for a Fedora/KDE application to convert ogg music format to
> mp3.
> (My Android phone does not accept .ogg files.)
>
> I read of a program "sneetchalizer", which apparently is a ruby script,
> ,
> but despite innumerable clues I've been unable to find the program itself.
>
> If anyone knows where I can find this program,
> or any program to convert Ogg audio files to mp3,
> I would be very grateful.
>
> I have successfully converted ogg to mp3 using ffmpeg

Be sure you have both mp3 libs (codecs) and ogg libs (codecs) installed.
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Re: Ogg to mp3, anyone?

[Ed Greshko]

On 02/20/2012 09:03 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I'm looking for a Fedora/KDE application to convert ogg music format to mp3.
> (My Android phone does not accept .ogg files.)
>
> I read of a program "sneetchalizer", which apparently is a ruby script,
> ,
> but despite innumerable clues I've been unable to find the program itself.
>
> If anyone knows where I can find this program,
> or any program to convert Ogg audio files to mp3,
> I would be very grateful.
>
>

It seems a simple google search of "convert ogg to mp3 linux" would get
you going.

Giving a cursory glance would seem to indicate this can easily be done
on the command line using a combination of  oggdec and lame.


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Re: Ogg to mp3, anyone?

[Antonio Olivares]

> I'm looking for a Fedora/KDE application to convert ogg
> music format to mp3.
> (My Android phone does not accept .ogg files.)
> 
> I read of a program "sneetchalizer", which apparently is a
> ruby script,
> ,
> but despite innumerable clues I've been unable to find the
> program itself.
> 
> If anyone knows where I can find this program,
> or any program to convert Ogg audio files to mp3,
> I would be very grateful.
> 
> 
> -- 

A script called ogg2mp3 in Linux Questions may help:

http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/.ogg_to_.mp3

Cut and paste it and save as ogg2mp3 in any directory where the ogg files are 
at or whereever you want it, then 
$ chmod +x ogg2mp3
then run it like the suggestion 

find /path -name \*.ogg -exec ogg2mp3 {} \;

Hope this helps,


Antonio 
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Ogg to mp3, anyone?

[Timothy Murphy]

I'm looking for a Fedora/KDE application to convert ogg music format to mp3.
(My Android phone does not accept .ogg files.)

I read of a program "sneetchalizer", which apparently is a ruby script,
,
but despite innumerable clues I've been unable to find the program itself.

If anyone knows where I can find this program,
or any program to convert Ogg audio files to mp3,
I would be very grateful.


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Re: xsane problem - also hp-setup w/ hp7510

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 2/18/2012 11:33 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

On 2/18/2012 7:53 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

On 2/18/2012 7:22 PM, ny6...@gmail.com wrote:


[...]

http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Installing_USB_Scanner#Scanner_detection 



Terry


Terry:

Thanks for the link. I will check it out.

[...]

I've got to pound on some parts of my system to make sure its really 
as I think (plus some selinux / clamav / totem tests). Let me get 
that done, take a look at your suggestion and get back to you.


Really appreciate your taking the time to give me some ideas.
Paul


Terry:

I am at least back to ground zero. Problem was that the subnetwork 
that the F16 machine was on made an assumption about "non-wireless" 
access that I had to correct. I've got it and another F14 machine on 
it seeing the printer and happily printing.





Okay, I've gone through the link and gotten everything on my end square 
for testing.


Printer is now static IP and, using "yum install system-config-print 
cups hpijs", I can print from any machine.


Installed hplip, hplip-gui, and xsane.

On my F14 system, I can hook up a CanoScan N1240 LIDE30 via USB and 
xsane works (very nicely, I might add). However, neither the F14 or F16 
systems will see any printer or scanner running hp-setup or xsane. 
Which, in the case of the printer, is really odd as the admin->printer 
clearly shows the networked printer.


The new Firefox 10.0.1 on F16 almost freezes up the whole system when I 
try to access the scanner's ip. No such problem on F14 or XP (which are 
using 3.6.27). I see 10.0.2 has jsut been releases and I'll wait for it 
to show up via yum. Obviously, a different problem, but just makes 
working on this one a bit harder).


One thing I did notice was I could not find a confirm that HP 7510 was 
working with xsane, just a memo that it was well handled in hplip. So I 
figure I've got to first get hp-setup to see the 7510.


That being said, I am 100% functional for printing and, given that I 
only scan about 20 items a year, using the F14 or XP box is quite 
acceptable. Not certain if my continued effort is actually going to gain 
me anything except personal satisfaction.


If anyone has a HP 7510 running as networked (wireless into a router) 
and can run hp-setup, I'd appreciate knowing so I can see if I am 
missing something.


Thanks,
Paul

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Re: Applications do not close with new kernel

[Roger]

I would suggest you actually try another desktop (KDE or XFCE) to 
confirm that it does actually affect all desktops not just gnome. As 
suggested by others, please look in your xorg and the messages logs. 
Also you may want to check your batteries in your mouse. gene



Mouse batteries are new.
Other desktops are fine.
Gnome in Fedora 14 and 15 worked fine.
The problem occurred only with the latest kernel update.
Maybe a change in Xorg, I'll check.
Have changed usb ports to no effect.

Thanks for the tip, I had not thought of checking logs, will do.
Roger
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upowerd dbus messages in /var/log/messages

[Lester M Petrie]

Hi

The following 2 lines are repeated every 30 secs in /var/log/messages. 
What causes them, or more importantly, how can I stop them.  This is a 
desktop machine running Fedora 16.


uname -a
Linux morgoth.localdomain 3.2.6-3.fc16.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Feb 13 20:35:42 
UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux



Lines in /var/log/messages:
02/19/12 06:45:13 PM	morgoth	dbus-daemon[1194]	** (upowerd:1894): 
WARNING **: Property get or set does not have an interface string as 
first arg
02/19/12 06:45:13 PM	morgoth	dbus-daemon[1194]	** (upowerd:1894): 
WARNING **: Property get or set does not have an interface string as 
first arg


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Re: Fedora unusually unstable recently?

[suvayu ali]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 22:42, Ranjan Maitra  wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:13:38 +0100 suvayu ali  +li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 01:46, Ranjan Maitra  wrote:
>> >> Are you sure about conky? I don't think conky requires gtk3.
>> >>
>> >
>> > sudo yum erase gtk3 pulls out a lot of stuff, including eventually
>> > conky.
>> >
>> >
>> > sudo yum erase gtk3
>>
>> Very weird, on second thought maybe its because you can run conky in
>> windowed mode too.
>
> Or it could be that it is dependent on something else that depends on
> gtk3 by accident?

Doesn't look like it.

$ rpm -qR conky | grep -i gtk
libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit)
$ rpm -q --whatprovides "libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit)"
gtk2-2.24.8-3.fc16.x86_64

From the other dependencies I couldn't see any obvious ones that could
pull in gtk3.

The weird world of dependencies! :D

>
> Ranjan


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F15: Volume level starts at almost full blast

[jonetsu]

Hello,

  I have one F15-64 bit machine on which the volume has to be very
close to the minimum as it seems to attain full volume very, very
early.  Not much play in there. when pushed to the max there is some
'hardware noise' as it is very over-driven. I do not recall having this
problem before a recent update on that machine.  Another F15 64-bit
machine does not show this limited rage at all and has a nice volume
control. 

  Would this be a hardware problem or is there something in a
recent update that would mess the audio in such a way when seeing some
specific hardware ?

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Re: Gnome-tweak-tool issues

[Aaron Konstam]

On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 12:58 -0800, les wrote: 
> I have added gnome-tweak-tool to my system.  However I have some
> problems with it.  First run from the software install tool went OK.  
>   Made changes to various fonts, and they took effect.
> 
>   However on subsequent runs I had to start it from the command line, and
> it hung up, but I also got a few warnings and errors which are listed
> below.
> 
>   Is there any package I need to install to overcome these issues?
> 
> 
I assume the software install tool you ran was yum.  On my F16 machine
gnome-tweak-tool is not running all the time. If I run it from from CLI
I get the errors you got. As with many applications it will run without
visable errors if you place it in the upper panel. Press ALT to be able
to do that. It will then run without visable errors. Now the does not
explain the error messages but maybe they are not to be taken seriously.
I am not sure. 
> 


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Re: Desktop desires and questions

[Cameron Simpson]

On 19Feb2012 12:35, les  wrote:
| On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 19:33 +, James Wilkinson wrote:
| > Well, the accessibility icon (the picture of a person) in the top right
| > of the screen gives you access to large fonts. More control can be got
| > through the gnome-tweak-tool program.

I would be curious to hear anecdotes about how far the gnome-tweak tool
lets you go.

[...]
| Maybe KDE is the answer, but it seems like from what I see on the Web
| that KDE is headed this route as well.

I think one stylistic difference between Gnome and KDE is that KDE seems
anecdotally more about letting the user tune everything. Gnome aims to
conceal that, and offer the user a nice (by their measures) interface
with fewer knobs to clutter it. Disclaimer: I speak from ignorance here;
my own preferences are a little picky and I don't use either - my last
use of them is some years old now.

| Thanks for the suggestion and I am working on the interface issues
| myself.  Maybe a switch that says "my custom DM" will be the outcome.

Certainly the gnome-tweak tool should be easier to find, from what I've
seen on this list.

Cheers,
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Yes, some GNOME developers are self-appointed control freak antifeature nazis
who've stripped functionality in pursuit of some theoretical "non geek" user
who does not exist, thereby crippling their software.
And probably some KDE developers are feature sluts who never saw a checkbox
they didn't love, exposing users to all kinds of broken features.
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Re: Fedora unusually unstable recently?

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:13:38 +0100 suvayu ali  wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 01:46, Ranjan Maitra  wrote:
> >> Are you sure about conky? I don't think conky requires gtk3.
> >>
> >
> > sudo yum erase gtk3 pulls out a lot of stuff, including eventually
> > conky.
> >
> >
> > sudo yum erase gtk3
> 
> Very weird, on second thought maybe its because you can run conky in
> windowed mode too.

Or it could be that it is dependent on something else that depends on
gtk3 by accident?

Ranjan
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Gnome-tweak-tool issues

[les]

I have added gnome-tweak-tool to my system.  However I have some
problems with it.  First run from the software install tool went OK.  
Made changes to various fonts, and they took effect.

However on subsequent runs I had to start it from the command line, and
it hung up, but I also got a few warnings and errors which are listed
below.

Is there any package I need to install to overcome these issues?



Second and subsequent runs:
$ gnome-tweak-tool
WARNING : Schema /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.shell.gschema.xml
missing summary text: 
  1
  

WARNING : Schema /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.shell.gschema.xml
missing summary text: 
  0
  


(gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed

(gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed

(gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed

(gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed

(gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed

(gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed

(gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed

(gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed

(gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed

(gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed

(gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed

(gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed

(gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed

(gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed

(gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed


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Re: Desktop desires and questions

[les]

On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 19:33 +, James Wilkinson wrote:
> les wrote:
> > The need to click to get to the computer is annoying at its very best
> > and a real vocabulary expander in normal use.  Every time I use one
> > application and I want to access another I have to click 
> > "activities"
> Or press the Windows key
> > my windows shrink
> > and I have to move the mouse to
> > "applications"
> Or type the name of the program, or change the dock at the left of the
> screen. You can just drag and drop programs into that list, and they’ll
> stay in the order you put them. If you put your commonly-used programs
> there, you’ll rarely have to use any other way of launching programs.
> 
> You should also examine the various gnome-shell-extension programs, and
> especially the gnome-tweak-tool program, which allows you to change a
> number of individual niggles.
> 
> > 7.  do whatever else can be done to allow font selection, including
> > fontsize as well as icon size for the desktop.  This is an HID
> > requirement anyway.
> 
> Well, the accessibility icon (the picture of a person) in the top right
> of the screen gives you access to large fonts. More control can be got
> through the gnome-tweak-tool program.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> James.
> 
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I just found the gnome-tweak-tool.  I now have gigantic fonts, a bit too
large, so I will have to play with it a bit.  Unfortunately it doesn't
change the names associated with the icons sufficiently, which I really
need. I still need to research which setting affects that.

I know the favorites bar, I have about 20 applications I use routinely,
and several places I need to directly access, so I am unsure if the
"favorites bar" will expand to show that or will I just end up with yet
another scroll bar or other move/click to deal with.

Maybe KDE is the answer, but it seems like from what I see on the Web
that KDE is headed this route as well.  So based on that I think getting
all of us to input reasons for our dislike along with suggestions and
maybe some day triage to consolidate the list, we might actually get
some thing useful out of it.

Thanks for the suggestion and I am working on the interface issues
myself.  Maybe a switch that says "my custom DM" will be the outcome.

Regards,
Les H 


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Re: Fedora unusually unstable recently?

[suvayu ali]

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 01:46, Ranjan Maitra  wrote:
>> Are you sure about conky? I don't think conky requires gtk3.
>>
>
> sudo yum erase gtk3 pulls out a lot of stuff, including eventually
> conky.
>
>
> sudo yum erase gtk3

Very weird, on second thought maybe its because you can run conky in
windowed mode too.

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Re: Desktop desires and questions

[James Wilkinson]

les wrote:
> The need to click to get to the computer is annoying at its very best
> and a real vocabulary expander in normal use.  Every time I use one
> application and I want to access another I have to click 
>   "activities"
Or press the Windows key
>   my windows shrink
>   and I have to move the mouse to
>   "applications"
Or type the name of the program, or change the dock at the left of the
screen. You can just drag and drop programs into that list, and they’ll
stay in the order you put them. If you put your commonly-used programs
there, you’ll rarely have to use any other way of launching programs.

You should also examine the various gnome-shell-extension programs, and
especially the gnome-tweak-tool program, which allows you to change a
number of individual niggles.

>   7.  do whatever else can be done to allow font selection, including
> fontsize as well as icon size for the desktop.  This is an HID
> requirement anyway.

Well, the accessibility icon (the picture of a person) in the top right
of the screen gives you access to large fonts. More control can be got
through the gnome-tweak-tool program.

Hope this helps,

James.

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Re: Applications do not close with new kernel

[Genes MailLists]

On 02/19/2012 08:24 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 02/19/2012 07:15 PM, Roger wrote:
>>
>> Mouse. Wireless mouse and keyboard with the receiver plugged into a
...
> 
> It would seem you have uncovered a bug within X affecting your mouse. 
> My guess is that it would be the same problem under any desktop
> environment. 
> 

  I would suggest you actually try another desktop (KDE or XFCE) to
confirm that it does actually affect all desktops not just gnome.

  As suggested by others, please look in your xorg and the messages
logs. Also you may want to check your batteries in your mouse.

 gene


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Re: nx

[Patrick Dupre]

On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Hiisi wrote:


On 19 February 2012 17:35, Patrick Dupre  wrote:
Hello,

From a fedora 14 I cannot open a nx session of a fedora 16.

The nx server seems OK


<--SNIP-->


I can make a ssh as well a sshfs of the machine.

Any idea?

Thank.

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Firewall problem? Check with selinux turned off.

No help.
However, when I do a nx from the same machine that I caanot reach from
another one, it works OK.

I cannot get a log file either. where can I get a log file?

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Re: nx

[Patrick Dupre]

On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Hiisi wrote:


On 19 February 2012 17:35, Patrick Dupre  wrote:
Hello,

From a fedora 14 I cannot open a nx session of a fedora 16.

The nx server seems OK


<--SNIP-->


I can make a ssh as well a sshfs of the machine.

Any idea?

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Re: nx

[Hiisi]

On 19 February 2012 17:35, Patrick Dupre  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> From a fedora 14 I cannot open a nx session of a fedora 16.
>
> The nx server seems OK
>
<--SNIP-->
>
> I can make a ssh as well a sshfs of the machine.
>
> Any idea?
>
> Thank.
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nx

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

From a fedora 14 I cannot open a nx session of a fedora 16.

The nx server seems OK

systemctl status nxserver.service
nxserver.service - LSB: Starts and stops the NoMachine NX Server.
  Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/nxserver)
	  Active: active (exited) since Sun, 19 Feb 2012 13:34:43 +0100; 
56min ago
	 Process: 3708 ExecStop=/etc/rc.d/init.d/nxserver stop 
(code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
	 Process: 3741 ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/init.d/nxserver start 
(code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)

  CGroup: name=systemd:/system/nxserver.service


I get:
SH running with pid: 17524
NX> 285 Enabling check on switch command
NX> 285 Enabling skip of SSH config files
NX> 285 Setting the preferred NX options
NX> 200 Connected to address: 192.168.0.100 on port: 22
NX> 202 Authenticating user: nx
NX> 208 Using auth method: publickey
NX> 204 Authentication failed.


I can make a ssh as well a sshfs of the machine.

Any idea?

Thank.

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Re: Applications do not close with new kernel

[Ed Greshko]

On 02/19/2012 07:15 PM, Roger wrote:
>
> Mouse. Wireless mouse and keyboard with the receiver plugged into a
> usb port at the back of the pc.
> When. After any app is started, any time after log in, no observable
> similar time delays before failure.
>
> I can use the mouse to click on the X button of Firefox, Gimp,
> terminal, etc, any app I start, no matter where I move the mouse the
> pointer moves but the app/s remains and no other selection can be made
> anywhere on the  Gnome3 desktop.
>
> When I say the mouse is not functional I should explain. The mouse
> cursor moves as I move the mouse but I cannot start or stop any other
> apps.
>
> With previous kernel and in Ubuntu the problem does not exist.
>

It would seem you have uncovered a bug within X affecting your mouse. 
My guess is that it would be the same problem under any desktop
environment. 

I would first start off by comparing the /var/log/Xorg.0.log when
booting into the previous kernel as well as the new kernel.

I would also try moving the mouse/keyboard connection to a port on the
front your PC if you have ports there.  And/Or, simply
disconnecting/reconnecting the USB connector to see if the mouse can be
made to become responsive.

If all that should fail, then time to file a bugzilla.


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Re: Applications do not close with new kernel

[Ian Malone]

On 19 February 2012 11:15, Roger  wrote:
> On 19/02/12 19:23, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>> On 02/19/2012 03:36 PM, Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> Can we all assume that you've booted into the previous kernel and
>>> confirmed that it continues to function correctly?
>>>
>>> Yes, that's correct.
>>
>> OK  Well, in your second message on this subject you said: "Thanks
>> but the mouse is not functional when this happen".
>>
>> So, my second question would be  does this happen from the very
>> start of your session or does the problem happen after a while when
>> running?
>>
>> What type of mouse do you have?  USB/PS2/Bluetooth?
>>
> Mouse. Wireless mouse and keyboard with the receiver plugged into a usb port
> at the back of the pc.
> When. After any app is started, any time after log in, no observable similar
> time delays before failure.
>
> I can use the mouse to click on the X button of Firefox, Gimp, terminal,
> etc, any app I start, no matter where I move the mouse the pointer moves but
> the app/s remains and no other selection can be made anywhere on the  Gnome3
> desktop.
>
> When I say the mouse is not functional I should explain. The mouse cursor
> moves as I move the mouse but I cannot start or stop any other apps.
>
> With previous kernel and in Ubuntu the problem does not exist.
>

Sounds like you need to file a kernel bug then. I would have said
against X if using the older version hadn't fixed it. I've seen
similar behaviour in a very old Slackware I have to use and there it
has some interesting properties:
1. Often being caused by some application, killing Firefox (which I
run from the Mozilla binary against a system that's too old for it)
brings the desktop back to life.
2. Typing on the Window last in focus generally works.
3. Mouse cursor still moves, but focus wont change. Due to the way the
cursor is handled it can often be one of the last things to fail.

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Re: Applications do not close with new kernel

[Roger]

On 19/02/12 19:23, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 02/19/2012 03:36 PM, Roger wrote:

Can we all assume that you've booted into the previous kernel and
confirmed that it continues to function correctly?

Yes, that's correct.

OK  Well, in your second message on this subject you said: "Thanks
but the mouse is not functional when this happen".

So, my second question would be  does this happen from the very
start of your session or does the problem happen after a while when running?

What type of mouse do you have?  USB/PS2/Bluetooth?

Mouse. Wireless mouse and keyboard with the receiver plugged into a usb 
port at the back of the pc.
When. After any app is started, any time after log in, no observable 
similar time delays before failure.


I can use the mouse to click on the X button of Firefox, Gimp, terminal, 
etc, any app I start, no matter where I move the mouse the pointer moves 
but the app/s remains and no other selection can be made anywhere on 
the  Gnome3 desktop.


When I say the mouse is not functional I should explain. The mouse 
cursor moves as I move the mouse but I cannot start or stop any other apps.


With previous kernel and in Ubuntu the problem does not exist.

Roger

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Re: send pics over slow line?

[Bryn M. Reeves]

On 02/16/2012 11:52 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
> If your input capture format is forced to be JPEG then you may well need
> to use MPEG and a tool that can generate the key frames without
> decoding/recoding the JPEG image. If you can capture raw and feed to the
> encoder then you've got a wide variety of choices.

Does a tool like this exist now? I was writing one for my PhD (before I
quit to join Red Hat ;) and at the time there was nothing out there in
public. Unfortunately I lost my rights in the code when I left the position.

Regards,
Bryn.

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Re: Applications do not close with new kernel

[Ed Greshko]

On 02/19/2012 03:36 PM, Roger wrote:
> Can we all assume that you've booted into the previous kernel and
> confirmed that it continues to function correctly?
>
> Yes, that's correct. 

OK  Well, in your second message on this subject you said: "Thanks
but the mouse is not functional when this happen". 

So, my second question would be  does this happen from the very
start of your session or does the problem happen after a while when running?

What type of mouse do you have?  USB/PS2/Bluetooth?

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