Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
2012-05-03 08:40, Ed Greshko skrev: On 05/03/2012 12:05 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: do you have BleachBit set to run at boot, or any other time automatically? If so, it might be set to clear /tmp. It does not appear that bleachbit is in the Fedora repositories or rpmfusion. Seems if one wanted to install it they would have had to downloaded it from sourceforge and configured it. Would be hard to forget thatI hope. :-) :-) yum search BleachBit ... === N/S matchade: BleachBit bleachbit.noarch : Remove unnecessary files, free space, and maintain privacy So bleachbit is in the Fedora 16 ;-) (Repo fedora) -- Regards Jon Ingason -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
acer t231h support
Hi all I would like to buy an Acer T231H and would like to know if there is any chance the "touch" feature is supported. It's a "touch" screen, with multitouch (zoom) and slide feature, but with a Windows driver: is there any Fedora package to fully use it? https://www.google.com/search?q=acer+t231h+linux shows me some old problems, but in these later mid-2012? Thank you. -- RMA. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
On 03/05/12 07:40, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/03/2012 12:05 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: do you have BleachBit set to run at boot, or any other time automatically? If so, it might be set to clear /tmp. It does not appear that bleachbit is in the Fedora repositories or rpmfusion. Seems if one wanted to install it they would have had to downloaded it from sourceforge and configured it. Would be hard to forget thatI hope. :-) :-) http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=8886 -- Regards, Frank "Jack of all, fubars" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
On 05/03/2012 12:05 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > do you have BleachBit set to run at boot, or any other time automatically? > If so, > it might be set to clear /tmp. It does not appear that bleachbit is in the Fedora repositories or rpmfusion. Seems if one wanted to install it they would have had to downloaded it from sourceforge and configured it. Would be hard to forget thatI hope. :-) :-) -- Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century. -- Dame Edna Everage -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
On Thu, 03 May 2012 at 15:40:40, Tim wrote: > While I can't answer to why old files might be disappearing, other than > to check more than just *daily* CRON entries (hourly, weekly, specific > hours of the day), I'll suggest one thing: If you want to keep /tmp > contents through a reboot, make sure that /tmp isn't mounted as tmpfs. Thanks. Checked those. weekly is empty. hourly contains the anacron trigger file and "mcelog.cron" which contains only comments. Not sure what you mean by specific hours of the day. I don't know how to tell when a file is removed from /tmp/, if that's what you mean. /tmp is not mounted at all on my system. It is a merely an ordinary subdir of /. Thanks for the suggestions. Keep 'em coming. Dean -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/02/2012 08:44 PM, Dean S. Messing wrote: > > Now that you know my dirty little secret, can you tell me what could be > > gratuitously cleaning /tmp? > > Thank you for satisfying my curiosity. Alas, the only thing I could > have suggested is tmpwatch, and you've already eliminated that as a > possibility. However, now that I think about it, do you have BleachBit > set to run at boot, or any other time automatically? If so, it might be > set to clear /tmp. I was unaware of BleachBit. Unfortunately, both locate -i bleach and rpm -qa | fgrep -i bleach return the null string. Thanks for the suggestion. This is really quite frustrating. It's like I have a daemon on my system. Dean -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Dean S. Messing writes: > > > > I'm running F15. Files are mysteriously being removed from /tmp after a > > number of days of not being touched. I am familiar with > > /etc/cron.daily/tmpwatch and, in fact, modify it to inhibit removal of > > files from /tmp. In the past this has worked. Under F15 it has not. > > > > Two or three weeks ago I deleted it from /etc/cron.daily but older files > > _still_ get removed from /tmp. I've rebooted at least once. I'm not > > sure if it happens at bootup or while the system is running, but > > something is still removing files from /tmp. > > > > Does anyone know of another mechanism for this? > > I would check for the low-hanging fruit. Exactly the nature of your > modifications to tmpwatch. Without knowing its history, its possible that > its options have changed, and your custom changes no longer do the same > thing they do before. Double-check the manpage. Especially since, I see, > /etc/cron.daily/tmpwatch is %config(noreplace), so if tmpwatch's options > have changed, and aren't backwards compatible, and updating the tmpwatch > package won't clobber the existing file, as a result the options you have in > there may no longer work. Well, as I said in my OP, tmpwatch is no longer even involved. I removed it from /etc/cron.daily. So unless it's ghost is still there, I'm at loss to explain the behaviour. FYI, my mod to tmpwatch was merely to comment out the lines: #/usr/sbin/tmpwatch "$flags" -x /tmp/.X11-unix -x /tmp/.XIM-unix \ # -x /tmp/.font-unix -x /tmp/.ICE-unix -x /tmp/.Test-unix \ # -X '/tmp/hsperfdata_*' 10d /tmp When files continued to disappear, I moved tmpwatch out of /etc/cron.daily. Alas, they still do. > Or, perhaps, gathering some more data would point to the likely culprit. If > the files in your tmp get deleted after a consistent period of time, that > would offer a clue. They seem to disappear after about 14 days. But it might be slightly more or less. Untouched files get removed. And directories containing untouched files get cleaned out leaving an empty dir behind. This is just > But, sometimes, tilting at windmills is not very productive. /tmp's never > meant to be used to archive anything. I wouldn't put anything in /tmp that > I'll want to make sure it'll still be there, tomorrow, even if nothing > supposed to get nuked from there for weeks. Might be easier to change one's > habits. Something I've done for a decade w/o issues is hardly tilting at windmills. Be that as it may, I have become extremely curious as to what in F15 might be doing the deed. > I'd create a folder in my home, or in my Desktop directory, for stuff that I > haven't yet decided where it needs to go, permanently. Right now I'd simply like to understand why F15 (and I suppose F16) behaves this way. F13 and prior certainly didn't. I never ran F14. Dean -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 19:47 -0700, Dean S. Messing wrote: > older files _still_ get removed from /tmp. I've rebooted at least > once. While I can't answer to why old files might be disappearing, other than to check more than just *daily* CRON entries (hourly, weekly, specific hours of the day), I'll suggest one thing: If you want to keep /tmp contents through a reboot, make sure that /tmp isn't mounted as tmpfs. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Security threat from side channel attacks, linux vulnerable?
On 05/02/2012 02:30 AM, Roger wrote: I wore full aluminium foil head gear as recommended, and full aluminium foil body suit and got rotated while driving the bus. Not nice, although the kids loved the sparkly blue glow. Roger Then you need to enclose those wires in sheet metal, metal screen and metal foam to form a shield and any holes, if needed must be smaller then the wavelength of the radiation. :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
Dean S. Messing writes: I'm running F15. Files are mysteriously being removed from /tmp after a number of days of not being touched. I am familiar with /etc/cron.daily/tmpwatch and, in fact, modify it to inhibit removal of files from /tmp. In the past this has worked. Under F15 it has not. Two or three weeks ago I deleted it from /etc/cron.daily but older files _still_ get removed from /tmp. I've rebooted at least once. I'm not sure if it happens at bootup or while the system is running, but something is still removing files from /tmp. Does anyone know of another mechanism for this? I would check for the low-hanging fruit. Exactly the nature of your modifications to tmpwatch. Without knowing its history, its possible that its options have changed, and your custom changes no longer do the same thing they do before. Double-check the manpage. Especially since, I see, /etc/cron.daily/tmpwatch is %config(noreplace), so if tmpwatch's options have changed, and aren't backwards compatible, and updating the tmpwatch package won't clobber the existing file, as a result the options you have in there may no longer work. Or, perhaps, gathering some more data would point to the likely culprit. If the files in your tmp get deleted after a consistent period of time, that would offer a clue. But, sometimes, tilting at windmills is not very productive. /tmp's never meant to be used to archive anything. I wouldn't put anything in /tmp that I'll want to make sure it'll still be there, tomorrow, even if nothing supposed to get nuked from there for weeks. Might be easier to change one's habits. I'd create a folder in my home, or in my Desktop directory, for stuff that I haven't yet decided where it needs to go, permanently. pgpUfxlsQOGCw.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
On 05/03/2012 12:00 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Anyone who finds himself (officially or unofficially) in a support role > soon learns that it can make all the difference if you understand what > the user is actually trying to do, rather than just taking his question > at face value. Maybe not that relevant in this case, but your comment > was directed more broadly. Well, having done hardware support for more years than I care to count, in this case and the others that brought that question to mind were cases in which the desire was fully and clearly expressed. And, the question being asked wasn't of the variety of "do you want this or this?" or "can you explain a bit more of what you want?". It was "why do you want to do that?". I suppose it may just be a case of "curiosity" and it is then incumbent on the person being asked to decide if they wish to answer. Just strikes me as odd when these types of questions are asked with no apparent benefit to resolving the original question. -- Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century. -- Dame Edna Everage -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 11:40 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 05/03/2012 11:24 AM, Jeoe Zeff wrote: > > On 05/02/2012 07:47 PM, Dean S. Messing wrote: > >> Does anyone know of another mechanism for this? > > > > Just out of curiosity, why don't you want files to be removed from /tmp? > > That question raises a question that I've been wanting to ask several times. > So, > although I'm asking it in this thread, it isn't solely directed at you. > > When someone on this list asks for help in modifying a behavior to suit their > needs/desires why are they often asked to justify their requests? In this > case, and > in may others, I can't see that seeking/offering justification will help in > finding a > solution. Anyone who finds himself (officially or unofficially) in a support role soon learns that it can make all the difference if you understand what the user is actually trying to do, rather than just taking his question at face value. Maybe not that relevant in this case, but your comment was directed more broadly. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
On 05/02/2012 08:44 PM, Dean S. Messing wrote: Now that you know my dirty little secret, can you tell me what could be gratuitously cleaning /tmp? Thank you for satisfying my curiosity. Alas, the only thing I could have suggested is tmpwatch, and you've already eliminated that as a possibility. However, now that I think about it, do you have BleachBit set to run at boot, or any other time automatically? If so, it might be set to clear /tmp. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
On 05/02/2012 08:40 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: When someone on this list asks for help in modifying a behavior to suit their needs/desires why are they often asked to justify their requests? I can't speak for anybody else on the list, but my question was prompted by nothing more than curiosity. If I had an answer for the OP, I'd have included it in the reply. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
Ed Greshko wrote: > That question raises a question that I've been wanting to ask several > times. So, although I'm asking it in this thread, it isn't solely > directed at you. > > When someone on this list asks for help in modifying a behavior to suit > their needs/desires why are they often asked to justify their requests? > In this case, and in may others, I can't see that seeking/offering > justification will help in finding a solution. 没关系 (Ed, I suppose you read zhōngwén). Joe said it himself: "Out of curiosity." I'm easy so I humoured his request. Now I'm hoping for some payback. :-) Dean -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
On Wed, 02 May 2012 at 20:24:46 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/02/2012 07:47 PM, Dean S. Messing wrote: > > Does anyone know of another mechanism for this? > > Just out of curiosity, why don't you want files to be removed from /tmp? Because I have the bad habit of sometimes creating directories in /tmp to try experiments in. I also sometimes stick research papers and other tidbits from the web in /tmp till I have time to think about where to properly file them. Then I don't. In any case I've operated for years this way. I just hand-clean the cruft every so often. You can't teach on old dog ... Now that you know my dirty little secret, can you tell me what could be gratuitously cleaning /tmp? Dean -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Antonio Olivares wrote: >snip > > Spherical Cows, would other animals want to get in Fedora naming > schemes for next versions of Fedora? > > Regards, > > > Antonio I'm holding out for Streamlined Ape. -- cmg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
On 05/03/2012 11:24 AM, Jeoe Zeff wrote: > On 05/02/2012 07:47 PM, Dean S. Messing wrote: >> Does anyone know of another mechanism for this? > > Just out of curiosity, why don't you want files to be removed from /tmp? That question raises a question that I've been wanting to ask several times. So, although I'm asking it in this thread, it isn't solely directed at you. When someone on this list asks for help in modifying a behavior to suit their needs/desires why are they often asked to justify their requests? In this case, and in may others, I can't see that seeking/offering justification will help in finding a solution. -- Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century. -- Dame Edna Everage -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is removing files from /tmp?
On 05/02/2012 07:47 PM, Dean S. Messing wrote: Does anyone know of another mechanism for this? Just out of curiosity, why don't you want files to be removed from /tmp? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
On 05/02/2012 07:01 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: Spherical Cows, would other animals want to get in Fedora naming schemes for next versions of Fedora? Smiling Kzinti? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
What is removing files from /tmp?
I'm running F15. Files are mysteriously being removed from /tmp after a number of days of not being touched. I am familiar with /etc/cron.daily/tmpwatch and, in fact, modify it to inhibit removal of files from /tmp. In the past this has worked. Under F15 it has not. Two or three weeks ago I deleted it from /etc/cron.daily but older files _still_ get removed from /tmp. I've rebooted at least once. I'm not sure if it happens at bootup or while the system is running, but something is still removing files from /tmp. Does anyone know of another mechanism for this? Thanks. Dean -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
> I think Chris was talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2% > 80%93Tarski_paradox as applied to spherical cows. > > poc > > -- Dear sir, I did not know about this :( Thank you for explaining/referring me to this. I had heard about Banach spaces in college and just heard of Tarski as a mathematician during a history of Mathematics class. My professor in college knew many great mathematicians in person and he was in a picture with them when he was young. Hilbert, Polya, Fejer, ..., were some of the mathematicans in the picture. Spherical Cows, would other animals want to get in Fedora naming schemes for next versions of Fedora? Regards, Antonio -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
On 05/02/2012 06:12 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: Just like the American Political System, we have no voice and no vote :(, the "Ruling Elite" are the ones that chose names and vote, us the users are the ones that have to end up with whatever others choose if we are not part of the "Ruling Elite" :( Is there an electoral college in the Fedora voting? Because if there is, the majority does not get to choose the name :( IMAO, this is all just a tempest in a teapot because people never[1] refer to Fedora versions by their code names, only by the release number. [1]Well, *hardly* ever! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: XFCE Login Freeze
On 05/02/2012 05:30 PM, Joel Rees wrote: Well, then, the user should try to log in on a regular X11 session (usual graphical login), get the freeze, then log in immediately via ssh or a virtual console and look at his hidden files under the home directory: ls -lart ~/ or /home/username if the admin is checking for the user. These options will show the most recently changed hidden directories, which may or may not provide a clue. /home/user/.xsession-errors would be another good place to check. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 18:12 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: > > As a mathematician, I look at "spherical" and want to ask if > > Fedora > > accepts the Axiom of Choice - if so, we can have two > > identical spherical > > cows, but who really wants to decompose a cow to get > > there. Of course, > > we'd have to call F19 Banach-Tarski! > > > > -- > > Sorry to disagree!, but if we allow Mathematicians' names here, I have > some others that are far greater than Banach and Tarski, take > > F19 Euclid - Greatest Geometer of all time > F19 Archimedes I think Chris was talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2% 80%93Tarski_paradox as applied to spherical cows. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
--- On Wed, 5/2/12, Chris Adams wrote: > From: Chris Adams > Subject: Re: Fedora 18 release name > To: "Community support for Fedora users" > Date: Wednesday, May 2, 2012, 3:13 PM > Once upon a time, Alan Cox > said: > > You can have fun with physicists 8) > > As a mathematician, I look at "spherical" and want to ask if > Fedora > accepts the Axiom of Choice - if so, we can have two > identical spherical > cows, but who really wants to decompose a cow to get > there. Of course, > we'd have to call F19 Banach-Tarski! > > -- Sorry to disagree!, but if we allow Mathematicians' names here, I have some others that are far greater than Banach and Tarski, take F19 Euclid - Greatest Geometer of all time F19 Archimedes take Paul Erdös, Euler, Riemann, Gauss, All would be great here :) Sadly, though Spherical you would be correct sir, I also thought about Lobachevsky, but he apparently did work on HyperBolic Geometries :) But to get back at the naming, How about the tribute to Denis Ritchie, was the next version of Fedora going to be named in his honor, since he was one of the pioneers of C/C++ and the Unix operating system which is the prototype of the system that we are using? Just like the American Political System, we have no voice and no vote :(, the "Ruling Elite" are the ones that chose names and vote, us the users are the ones that have to end up with whatever others choose if we are not part of the "Ruling Elite" :( Is there an electoral college in the Fedora voting? Because if there is, the majority does not get to choose the name :( Best Regards, Antonio -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Grub2 MBR issues
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Jeffrey Ross wrote: > >>> My concern is if I were to loose /dev/sda I want to be able to boot via >>> /dev/sdb. >> >> yes, because /dev/sda does NOt have GRUB, /dev/sdb has >> >>> Or am I reading the output from file wrong and its actually /dev/sda >>> that >>> doesn't have grub2 installed on it? >> >> you see "GRand Unified Bootloader" on /dev/sdb and not on /dev/sda >> no idea howyou are interpreting your outputs >> >> > > ok, misinformation from this post? > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2012-February/414336.html > > Now the question is who is right? I'm starting to believe the post I > quoted above is incorrect. > > Jeff The information you will be missing when grub2 is loaded is the string "GRUB version 0.94" when you do it that way. Also, grub2 is a work in progress. Things will change. But the particularly post you were referring to was probably misinterpreting something, most likely the drive letters (which, as you might know, tend not to be stable, and, particularly not the same letters when grub sees them at boot as when the OS, including the grub tools, see them after the boot-up process is complete). -- Joel Rees -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: XFCE Login Freeze
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Jonathan Allen wrote: > Joe, > >> >No-one else can get a graphical session on that box because the graphical >> >console is taken with the stalled session, but console logins are still >> >fine and other users can freely start graphic sessions on other machines >> >on the network. >> >> What happens if somebody else tries to log on just after a reboot? > > That too is fine; any other user, either after a reboot or after the > frozen XFCE session has been taken out by "kill -15" > > Jonathan Well, then, the user should try to log in on a regular X11 session (usual graphical login), get the freeze, then log in immediately via ssh or a virtual console and look at his hidden files under the home directory: ls -lart ~/ or /home/username if the admin is checking for the user. These options will show the most recently changed hidden directories, which may or may not provide a clue. Just for grins, check /var/log immediately with the same options. You might see some new logs with some clues from the stalled login. One hidden directory to check in would be ".cache" . Notice the contents of .cache/sessions and .cache/menus . Another hidden directory to check would be ".config" . There might be others. How to tell what to delete? Go by sense of smell. Stuff in caches should not be too much of a concern, but stuff in configurations, you might want to check the man pages and think about once or twice first. Anyway, try emptying the obvious caches first. That is, kill the stalled session, empty a cache, try logging in again. -- Joel Rees -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
On 05/02/2012 06:38 PM, Roger wrote: > On 03/05/12 03:26, Maurizio Marini wrote: >> Fedora change release every 6 months, as far as i can see this >> is not >> enough to select the new name, you should change release more >> slowly... > What about getting entirely radical and call it *** Fedora 18 *** , > the next one could be *** Fedora 19 *** and so on. > Yup! it's way out of the box thinking! > Roger Followed by Fedora 2013 then Fedora XP * -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
On 03/05/12 03:26, Maurizio Marini wrote: Fedora change release every 6 months, as far as i can see this is not enough to select the new name, you should change release more slowly... What about getting entirely radical and call it *** Fedora 18 *** , the next one could be *** Fedora 19 *** and so on. Yup! it's way out of the box thinking! Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
Once upon a time, Alan Cox said: > You can have fun with physicists 8) As a mathematician, I look at "spherical" and want to ask if Fedora accepts the Axiom of Choice - if so, we can have two identical spherical cows, but who really wants to decompose a cow to get there. Of course, we'd have to call F19 Banach-Tarski! -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
On 05/02/2012 02:26 PM, Alan Cox wrote: Non-physicists tend to view this approach as a simplistic retreat from reality. Hence, the joke: A physics professor says to the class, "consider a spherical cow of mass M". To which the smartarse student asks "do we know if the expansion of the universe is linear in all directions, and will it therefore remain spherical throughout the experiment" And then the really evil student asks "Suppose I throw the cow up in the air and catch it as it comes back down, the kinetic energy is converted to potential energy and back, yes ?" "But as the universe is expanding it'll come down further than it went up and thus energy is not conserved" You can have fun with physicists 8) "Physics is like sex...it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it." -- Richard Feynman -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- -"And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode." - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
> Non-physicists tend to view this approach as a simplistic retreat from > reality. Hence, the joke: A physics professor says to the class, "consider a > spherical cow of mass M". To which the smartarse student asks "do we know if the expansion of the universe is linear in all directions, and will it therefore remain spherical throughout the experiment" And then the really evil student asks "Suppose I throw the cow up in the air and catch it as it comes back down, the kinetic energy is converted to potential energy and back, yes ?" "But as the universe is expanding it'll come down further than it went up and thus energy is not conserved" You can have fun with physicists 8) Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Grub2 MBR issues
On 05/02/2012 01:46 PM, Jeffrey Ross wrote: ok, misinformation from this post? http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2012-February/414336.html Now the question is who is right? I'm starting to believe the post I quoted above is incorrect. It's possible that it was correct when written, but AFAICT it's wrong now. I have two physical drives, with grub2 installed on sda, as you can clearly see here: [root@khorlia ~]# file - /dev/stdin: x86 boot sector; GRand Unified Bootloader, stage1 version 0x3, boot drive 0x80, 1st sector stage2 0x686489a; partition 1: ID=0xc, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 83885697 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x83, starthead 254, startsector 83891430, 401625 sectors; partition 3: ID=0x83, starthead 254, startsector 84293055, 20964825 sectors; partition 4: ID=0x5, starthead 254, startsector 105257880, 54813780 sectors, code offset 0x63 [root@khorlia ~]# file - /dev/stdin: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x8e, starthead 1, startsector 63, 8001 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x83, starthead 0, startsector 8064, 3499776 sectors; partition 3: ID=0x5, active, starthead 0, startsector 3507840, 2838528 sectors, code offset 0x2 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Grub2 MBR issues
Am 02.05.2012 22:46, schrieb Jeffrey Ross: > >>> My concern is if I were to loose /dev/sda I want to be able to boot via >>> /dev/sdb. >> >> yes, because /dev/sda does NOt have GRUB, /dev/sdb has >> >>> Or am I reading the output from file wrong and its actually /dev/sda >>> that >>> doesn't have grub2 installed on it? >> >> you see "GRand Unified Bootloader" on /dev/sdb and not on /dev/sda >> no idea howyou are interpreting your outputs >> >> > > ok, misinformation from this post? > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2012-February/414336.html > > Now the question is who is right? I'm starting to believe the post I > quoted above is incorrect. not 100% sure, but here i have a 4 disk RAID1/RAID10/RAID10 setup originating from F14 and upgraeded to F15 and F16 i did the same as with GRUB1 grub2-install /dev/sda grub2-install /dev/sdb grub2-install /dev/sdc grub2-install /dev/sdd it boots from any disk as also another from F15 to F16 upgraded system does this way after "hotplug" any disk from the RAID1 device and it boots surely with GRUB2 __ [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ file - < /dev/sda /dev/stdin: x86 boot sector; GRand Unified Bootloader, stage1 version 0x3, boot drive 0x80, stage2 address 0x2000, stage2 segment 0x200; partition 1: ID=0xfd, active, starthead 32, startsector 2048, 1024000 sectors; partition 2: ID=0xfd, starthead 221, startsector 1026048, 3072 sectors; partition 3: ID=0xfd, starthead 254, startsector 31746048, 3875225600 sectors, code offset 0x63 [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ file - < /dev/sdb /dev/stdin: x86 boot sector; GRand Unified Bootloader, stage1 version 0x3, boot drive 0x81, stage2 address 0x2000, stage2 segment 0x200; partition 1: ID=0xfd, active, starthead 32, startsector 2048, 1024000 sectors; partition 2: ID=0xfd, starthead 221, startsector 1026048, 3072 sectors; partition 3: ID=0xfd, starthead 254, startsector 31746048, 3875225600 sectors, code offset 0x63 [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ file - < /dev/sdc /dev/stdin: x86 boot sector; GRand Unified Bootloader, stage1 version 0x3, stage2 address 0x2000, stage2 segment 0x200; partition 1: ID=0xfd, active, starthead 32, startsector 2048, 1024000 sectors; partition 2: ID=0xfd, starthead 221, startsector 1026048, 3072 sectors; partition 3: ID=0xfd, starthead 254, startsector 31746048, 3875225600 sectors, code offset 0x63 [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ file - < /dev/sdd /dev/stdin: x86 boot sector; GRand Unified Bootloader, stage1 version 0x3, boot drive 0x83, stage2 address 0x2000, stage2 segment 0x200; partition 1: ID=0xfd, active, starthead 32, startsector 2048, 1024000 sectors; partition 2: ID=0xfd, starthead 221, startsector 1026048, 3072 sectors; partition 3: ID=0xfd, starthead 254, startsector 31746048, 3875225600 sectors, code offset 0x63 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
gnome3 crash at login
The following gnome3 crash occurs when attempting to log in to my personal account. Gnome3 presents the log-in screen with my user name selected. When I enter my password and press enter, the crash occurs. On screen I see a frowning monitor and Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again. Since I can still log in to other accounts, I assume there is something causing the crash in one of the hidden files or folders. This began to happen a few weeks ago after a "yum update". Where to begin to isolate what changed? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Grub2 MBR issues
>> My concern is if I were to loose /dev/sda I want to be able to boot via >> /dev/sdb. > > yes, because /dev/sda does NOt have GRUB, /dev/sdb has > >> Or am I reading the output from file wrong and its actually /dev/sda >> that >> doesn't have grub2 installed on it? > > you see "GRand Unified Bootloader" on /dev/sdb and not on /dev/sda > no idea howyou are interpreting your outputs > > ok, misinformation from this post? http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2012-February/414336.html Now the question is who is right? I'm starting to believe the post I quoted above is incorrect. Jeff -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Grub2 MBR issues
Am 02.05.2012 22:20, schrieb Jeffrey Ross: > I have a F16 system (which had been upgraded from F15) that is running > RAID-1 for all volumes. I have notice that GRUB2 is only on /dev/sda but > not on /dev/sdb where do you read this? > [root@wisdom boot]# file - < /dev/sda > /dev/stdin: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0xfd, active, starthead 32, > startsector 2048, 785137 sectors; partition 2: ID=0xfd, starthead 0, > startsector 787185, 15631245 sectors; partition 3: ID=0xfd, starthead 0, > startsector 16418430, 8000370 sectors; partition 4: ID=0x5, starthead 254, > startsector 24418800, 1929101265 sectors, code offset 0x63 > > [root@wisdom boot]# file - < /dev/sdb > /dev/stdin: x86 boot sector; GRand Unified Bootloader, stage1 version 0x3, > boot drive 0x80, 1st sector stage2 0x842a9; partition 1: ID=0xfd, active, > starthead 32, startsector 2048, 785137 sectors; partition 2: ID=0xfd, > starthead 0, startsector 787185, 15631245 sectors; partition 3: ID=0xfd, > starthead 0, startsector 16418430, 8000370 sectors; partition 4: ID=0x5, > starthead 254, startsector 24418800, 1929101265 sectors, code offset 0x63 > > My concern is if I were to loose /dev/sda I want to be able to boot via > /dev/sdb. yes, because /dev/sda does NOt have GRUB, /dev/sdb has > Or am I reading the output from file wrong and its actually /dev/sda that > doesn't have grub2 installed on it? you see "GRand Unified Bootloader" on /dev/sdb and not on /dev/sda no idea howyou are interpreting your outputs signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Grub2 MBR issues
On 05/02/2012 01:20 PM, Jeffrey Ross wrote: [root@wisdom boot]# file -< /dev/sdb /dev/stdin: x86 boot sector; GRand Unified Bootloader, stage1 version 0x3, boot drive 0x80, 1st sector stage2 0x842a9; partition 1: ID=0xfd, active, starthead 32, startsector 2048, 785137 sectors; partition 2: ID=0xfd, starthead 0, startsector 787185, 15631245 sectors; partition 3: ID=0xfd, starthead 0, startsector 16418430, 8000370 sectors; partition 4: ID=0x5, starthead 254, startsector 24418800, 1929101265 sectors, code offset 0x63 Or am I reading the output from file wrong and its actually /dev/sda that doesn't have grub2 installed on it? Yup! That's exactly what you're doing, as the snippet above shows. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Grub2 MBR issues
I have a F16 system (which had been upgraded from F15) that is running RAID-1 for all volumes. I have notice that GRUB2 is only on /dev/sda but not on /dev/sdb [root@wisdom boot]# file - < /dev/sda /dev/stdin: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0xfd, active, starthead 32, startsector 2048, 785137 sectors; partition 2: ID=0xfd, starthead 0, startsector 787185, 15631245 sectors; partition 3: ID=0xfd, starthead 0, startsector 16418430, 8000370 sectors; partition 4: ID=0x5, starthead 254, startsector 24418800, 1929101265 sectors, code offset 0x63 [root@wisdom boot]# file - < /dev/sdb /dev/stdin: x86 boot sector; GRand Unified Bootloader, stage1 version 0x3, boot drive 0x80, 1st sector stage2 0x842a9; partition 1: ID=0xfd, active, starthead 32, startsector 2048, 785137 sectors; partition 2: ID=0xfd, starthead 0, startsector 787185, 15631245 sectors; partition 3: ID=0xfd, starthead 0, startsector 16418430, 8000370 sectors; partition 4: ID=0x5, starthead 254, startsector 24418800, 1929101265 sectors, code offset 0x63 My concern is if I were to loose /dev/sda I want to be able to boot via /dev/sdb. I have tried running: [root@wisdom boot]# grub2-install /dev/sdb --no-floppy Installation finished. No error reported. but there is no change in what file reports. Both disks are identical (same model) and the partition table was duplicated with "sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb" Or am I reading the output from file wrong and its actually /dev/sda that doesn't have grub2 installed on it? Thanks, Jeff -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
On 05/02/2012 12:24 PM, Michael Hannon wrote: I'm late to this (all-important) thread, but I haven't seen anybody mention the origin of the term "spherical cow". It's a physics joke, or, maybe better, a joke about physicists. Yes. And many of us consider it to be trivializing Fedora and making it look like a joke, or at least childish. This is why I suggested, earlier, that the code name for F18 be a celebration of life. L'chiam! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
>>> Spherical Cow is really an idiom, and arguably not a normal adjective-noun >>> pair. >> Justify it all you want, it still sounds like "Copying Ubuntu" to me. > > Dudes, it's just a name. > Please, focus on technical. I'm late to this (all-important) thread, but I haven't seen anybody mention the origin of the term "spherical cow". It's a physics joke, or, maybe better, a joke about physicists. The world is a complicated place, and to make any progress in analyzing it, physicists (and other scientists) have to resort to simplifying assumptions. E.g., the earth and the sun are not really spheres, but if you ignore that geometric subtlety, you can do some reasonable calculations about the gravitational interaction of the sun and the earth. Non-physicists tend to view this approach as a simplistic retreat from reality. Hence, the joke: A physics professor says to the class, "consider a spherical cow of mass M". -- Mike -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
On 05/02/2012 03:59 AM, Alan Cox wrote: And how pray are you going to tip a spherical cow ? Ruins all the fun 8) That's only a problem if it's also of uniform density. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
Fedora change release every 6 months, as far as i can see this is not enough to select the new name, you should change release more slowly... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
On Wed, 02 May 2012 17:19:31 +0100 Andrew Haley wrote: > If the masses vote for > an adjective-noun form, they shall have their way. What masses? I heard about a vote to vote on elimination of code names and spent three days trying to figure out how to sign up to vote against all code names, and could never do it. The masses don't appear to be eligible to vote in fedora elections. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
On 05/01/2012 06:20 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> Spherical Cow > > Can we add a rule for F19 that the name shall not be an adjective-noun > form? Such as "Beefy Miracle", perhaps? IMO, such a rule would be deeply undemocratic. If the masses vote for an adjective-noun form, they shall have their way. Power to the people! Andrew. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
On 02/05/12 11:59, Alan Cox wrote: And how pray are you going to tip a spherical cow ? Ruins all the fun 8) forceps, big ones. -- Regards, Frank "Jack of all, fubars" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
On Wed, 02 May 2012 11:20:09 +0300 Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > On 05/01/2012 09:40 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> Spherical Cow is really an idiom, and arguably not a normal adjective-noun > >> > pair. > > Justify it all you want, it still sounds like "Copying Ubuntu" to me. > > Dudes, it's just a name. > Please, focus on technical. > And how pray are you going to tip a spherical cow ? Ruins all the fun 8) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Security threat from side channel attacks, linux vulnerable?
On 05/02/2012 06:34 PM, Arthur Dent wrote: On 05/01/2012 05:59 PM, stan wrote: The main question, though; is Fedora vulnerable to this sort of attack? It sounds like it is a combination of hardware and software usage patterns that create the vulnerability, so do things like randomized heap make this impossible? To be completely save one has to completely cover their computer, internet cable, modem,router, the electrical wires which the computer is connected too, in tin foil.l so there is no electromagnetic leak of any sort and install OpenBSD. Well that, and of course you need to wear a similar tin foil hat on your head while using the computer because, as everyone knows, your brainwave patterns are vulnerable to the scanning devices that all Western intelligence agencies use routinely... This is plainly wrong... The same was suggested when I asked about electromagnetic static from overhead wires some time ago. Aluminium foil works like the aluminium rotor in your electricity metre - things turn around uncontrollably. I wore full aluminium foil head gear as recommended, and full aluminium foil body suit and got rotated while driving the bus. Not nice, although the kids loved the sparkly blue glow. Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Security threat from side channel attacks, linux vulnerable?
On 05/02/2012 04:25 PM, Edward M wrote: > To be completely save one has to completely cover their computer, internet > cable, > modem,router, the electrical wires which the > computer is connected too, in tin foil.l so there is no electromagnetic > leak of > any sort and install OpenBSD. I disagree To be *completely safe* one must keep the male end of the computer's power plug a minimum of 5.6 inches/14.2 cm from the mains outlet, after removing any and all batteries from the computer. -- Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century. -- Dame Edna Everage -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Security threat from side channel attacks, linux vulnerable?
> On 05/01/2012 05:59 PM, stan wrote: >> The main question, though; is Fedora vulnerable to this sort of >> attack? It sounds like it is a combination of hardware and software >> usage patterns that create the vulnerability, so do things like >> randomized heap make this impossible? > >To be completely save one has to completely cover their computer, > internet cable, modem,router, the electrical wires which the >computer is connected too, in tin foil.l so there is no > electromagnetic leak of any sort and install OpenBSD. Well that, and of course you need to wear a similar tin foil hat on your head while using the computer because, as everyone knows, your brainwave patterns are vulnerable to the scanning devices that all Western intelligence agencies use routinely... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Security threat from side channel attacks, linux vulnerable?
On 05/01/2012 05:59 PM, stan wrote: The main question, though; is Fedora vulnerable to this sort of attack? It sounds like it is a combination of hardware and software usage patterns that create the vulnerability, so do things like randomized heap make this impossible? To be completely save one has to completely cover their computer, internet cable, modem,router, the electrical wires which the computer is connected too, in tin foil.l so there is no electromagnetic leak of any sort and install OpenBSD. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18 release name
On 05/01/2012 09:40 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: Spherical Cow is really an idiom, and arguably not a normal adjective-noun > pair. Justify it all you want, it still sounds like "Copying Ubuntu" to me. Dudes, it's just a name. Please, focus on technical. -- RMA. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
