Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Tim]

On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 21:29 +0200, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
> If people like it's syntax it's theirs decision.

Syntax error...

Sorry, I could not resist, but that sentence was just begging for it.

Anyway, getting back to the subject of Java, the often vaunted claim
that it's platform independent doesn't hold up.  Frequently Java
programs will only work as expected on a certain interpreter, on a
certain underlying OS.  With Java-originated applications, they nearly
always need to specially tweak the programming to make versions that
will be run on different operating systems.

Trying to be vendor neutral can only work if you're the lowest common
denominator.  Using the few features that are common to most/all OSs
means that you cannot make use of the special features only available on
other ones.  That makes for a dull and restricted application.

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Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

[Tim]

On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 16:09 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> I fail to grasp what would be so fundamentally different between
> Ubuntu and Fedora with regards to virtualization and flash support.

Ubuntu has Debian origins, Fedora has Red Hat.  They do some things in
substantially different ways, other things in fairly similar ways.  They
are quite different distributions, so I wouldn't be surprised that some
things work on one easier than the other.  All Linuxes are not the same.

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Re: fpaste server

[Kaushal Shriyan]

I am following https://fedorahosted.org/fpaste-server/browser/INSTALL.rst.
I have set this up

div id="heading">  http://180.179.117.151/static/images/banner.png>"
alt="Fedora Pastebin"/>http://180.179.117.151/>">New Paste

http://180.179.117.151/your-latest>">My Pastes |
   http://180.179.117.151/your-settings>">Preferences


Please suggest.

Regards

Kaushal

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Kaushal Shriyan
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Can someone please guide me about
> https://fedorahosted.org/fpaste-server/wiki/WikiStart
>
> Regards
>
> Kaushal
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fpaste server

[Kaushal Shriyan]

Hi,

Can someone please guide me about
https://fedorahosted.org/fpaste-server/wiki/WikiStart

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Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Richard Vickery]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
>  wrote:
> > OK, to be more topic related: I don't condemn Java nor it's JREs etc. I
> > only think it's not most optimal choice for GNOME as well as .NET or
> > Mono.
>
> I´m not saying "hey, let´s re-code Gnome in Java". No.
>
> What I´m saying is that if someone is pushing for Gnome to become
> infected with Mono, it´s a way better choice to make it depend on the
> GPL´ed OpenJDK rather than .Net which is a Microsoft controlled
> platform.
>
> In other words, that given a choice between OpenJDK and Mono, that
> Java is the lesser evil.
>
> Anyway... I just hope that with the recent death of Moonlight (the
> SIlverlight clone)
>
> http://www.linuxdevelopernews.com/linuxdevelopernews-81-20120601MoonlightDiscontinued.html
>
> ...and the firing of Mono devs from Attachmate after Novell let it go
> http://lxnews.org/2011/05/06/attachmate-kills-off-mono/
>
> ...that this will soon be a problem we don´t have to worry about. :-P
>
> Yet, it worries me that Microsoft might feel inclined to fund the
> Gnome Mono infection directly instead of using proxies as they did in
> the past...
>
> FC
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Is it possible to quite upgrading Gnome if Microsoft does infect it? If
not, then it must be possible to write Mono out of  Gnome for our purposes.
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Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

[Robert Myers]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Bill Davidsen  wrote:

> You are posting in the wrong place for the problems you are having, you have
> gotten pointers to better places, and you stay here sadly repeating "no one
> here cares..." People are saying "ask over here" and you are hearing "we
> don't care."
>
> Anyway thanks for being who you used to be, but you don't seem to be any
> more.
>

Actually, Bill, we have met before,... many times.  You as smug and as
rude as ever.  Do people who use computers get so little real human
interaction with humans that they have no clue as to how to act like
one?

Thank you for the suggestion on mint.

Robert Myers.
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printing OS signal on console

[debit2...@gmail.com]

Hi Friends,

I want to print the OS SIGNAL on the screen after trapping it with bash.
Can you please help me in writing this bash script. I tried a lot but
not getting the working code.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Support for HUAWEI E1820 HSDPA 3G / 4G USB Modem

[Bill Davidsen]

JD wrote:

Hi All,
I was planning to purchase one of these.
Is it supported in Fedora?

Got a spec telling what chipset it uses? I admit that some of the stuff I use 
does require a vendor driver, although the kernel stuff is getting better.



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Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

[Bill Davidsen]

Robert Myers wrote:

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Robert Myers  wrote:

  I am anticipating that I will be able to do that in Ubuntu but not in
Fedora, and conversations in Ubuntu forums indicates that my exact hardware
should work just fine.


I fail to grasp what would be so fundamentally different between
Ubuntu and Fedora with regards to virtualization and flash support.


There is no fundamental difference that I know of between Ubuntu and
Fedora with regard to virtualization.

With regard to flash support, Ubuntu supports it more or less
transparently and, if you want to use it on Fedora, you can spend the
rest of your life on forums like this one.  You don't really want me
here forever, do you?

If you want a distro which does just about everything you want, go Mint. It has 
closed source drivers and apps, and vendor drivers. It supports all of the 
codecs, protocols, and rip-offs which Fedora can't because it obeys the law, 
stays open source, and avoids legal issues. If you think that's a bad thing, go 
elsewhere. You have almost completed your metamorphosis from contributor and 
explorer to "just user" and are passing through the troll stage. As the vestiges 
of the urge to _understand_ rather than _use_ atrophies, we will no longer have 
to watch your deterioration, and you will lose the urge to tell us how nice it 
is to just use what someone tells you you need.



The difference between Fedora and Ubuntu that really matters, and if
you don't want to hear it, just stop reading my posts, is that the
people who use Ubuntu are generally more like the people who use
Windows and Canonical knows it and caters to them.  Red Hat (along
with Fedora and its manifestly snotty community) turns up its nose at
such users.  It doesn't want them.

You are posting in the wrong place for the problems you are having, you have 
gotten pointers to better places, and you stay here sadly repeating "no one here 
cares..." People are saying "ask over here" and you are hearing "we don't care."


Anyway thanks for being who you used to be, but you don't seem to be any more.


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Re: ipv6 problem

[Bill Davidsen]

Mike Wright wrote:

Hi all,

Anybody need a good laugh at somebody else's expense?

I screwed up a dns address and pointed it to China (1.something) instead of
unrouteable (10.something).  A very *short* time later I was suddenly some sort
of server for whomever in the world was looking for .CN, much of which was ipv6
advertisements, and to add insult to injury I found that I was trying resolve 
them.

Since this had become a major bandwidth consumer and no doubt confused a lot of
routers around the world I'm pretty sure both the US spies and their CN
counterparts got their eyes onto me.  Panicked laughter here :/

In my desperate attempts to track down the source of the problem I started to
tear down anything ipv6.  Seems I've have managed to do so quite well.

I have 4 machines that won't speak ipv6.  modprobe ipv6 works on each of them,
lsmod shows that they all have the ipv6 module installed.

Using iproute2:  "ip addr list"  shows only "inet" addresses but no "inet6"
addresses.  Any attempt to "ip addr add dev ethX ipv6-addr" returns a
"permission denied" regardless of user.

I don't remember any ON/OFF switch for ipv6.  (CRS)

Does anybody out there have any idea how to bring IPv6 back to life on these
machines or perhaps any insight into just what the resident idiot may have done?

Thanks, Mike Wright (befuddled)


I've been doing a lot of IPv6 stuff and am happy to say I haven't seen that. 
However, I would suggest taking a long look at your firewall with either a 
firewall tool or ip6tables. After that use tcpdump to capture packets at a NIC, 
bridge, or gateway as you find best, and look at what is coming in and going 
out, or not going out. The method is to find the packets, then look for them at 
the next place you expect them to be, until you find the problem.


I presume you have a firewall of some kind for IPv6, that's where you set the 
INPUT first rule to DROP. That's a pretty good off switch. If you're throwing 
all your systems directly on the net without a firewall, I have no easy OFF switch.


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Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

[Robert Myers]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Lee  wrote:
>
>
> Oss are usually designed with a particular end user in mind. Your experience
> is a testament to that. You should use imho whichever OS seems most
> comfortable. That is the reason multiple OSs exist: to give people a choice
> to run whichever one seems most suitable to them.
>
> I, personally prefer Linux (any flavor) to Windows, but I am not evangelical
> on the subject. I recognize there is room for multiple povs. :)
>
Thanks to those who have responded with helpful suggestions or advice.
 To those who spend their lives heaping abuse on others on the
Internet, perhaps this outlet for your aggression will prevent some
manifestation where you can actually harm someone.

I have actually already had instances of Ubuntu running, because it
supports a relatively important software package that Fedora does not.
 I can, of course, always get the tarball and compile for Fedora, but
it's a big package, and my experience has been that there is almost
always a gotcha.

My Ubuntu machines found the NetBIOS network and joined it without any
intervention on my part, but it took me years to become competent with
Samba on Red Hat/Fedora.  For those who wish to claim that there is no
difference between the two OS's as to Windows-friendliness, I beg to
differ.

I know people who go WAY back in this business.  The people I mostly
know build or design hardware or use computers for technical
applications.  Many of them would say and have said similar things as
I have said about the masters of the universe who control what
"lusers" see.

To those here who are both competent and human, you have my entire
sympathies, as there appear to be those who are either not both or who
are perhaps neither.  I will probably keep instances of Fedora running
and I will probably continue futzing around with trying to find a real
bare-metal solution that isn't a commercial ripoff.

Robert Myers
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Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

[Lee]

On Jul 4, 2012 1:47 PM, "Robert Myers"  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Aaron Konstam 
wrote:
>
> >
> > Why do you stick to ridiculous over-generalizations. As people have said
> > several times if you like Ubuntu so much switch to it and don't post to
> > the Fedora users list.
> > --
>
> And why do you make posts that are nothing but an insult?  The
> "ridiculous" overgeneralizations are widely-shared beliefs, whether
> they fit your criteria for being true or even sensible or not.  How
> old are you?  Twelve?
>
> Robert Myers.
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Oss are usually designed with a particular end user in mind. Your
experience is a testament to that. You should use imho whichever OS seems
most comfortable. That is the reason multiple OSs exist: to give people a
choice to run whichever one seems most suitable to them.

I, personally prefer Linux (any flavor) to Windows, but I am not
evangelical on the subject. I recognize there is room for multiple povs. :)

Terry
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Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
 wrote:
> OK, to be more topic related: I don't condemn Java nor it's JREs etc. I
> only think it's not most optimal choice for GNOME as well as .NET or
> Mono.

I´m not saying "hey, let´s re-code Gnome in Java". No.

What I´m saying is that if someone is pushing for Gnome to become
infected with Mono, it´s a way better choice to make it depend on the
GPL´ed OpenJDK rather than .Net which is a Microsoft controlled
platform.

In other words, that given a choice between OpenJDK and Mono, that
Java is the lesser evil.

Anyway... I just hope that with the recent death of Moonlight (the
SIlverlight clone)
http://www.linuxdevelopernews.com/linuxdevelopernews-81-20120601MoonlightDiscontinued.html

...and the firing of Mono devs from Attachmate after Novell let it go
http://lxnews.org/2011/05/06/attachmate-kills-off-mono/

...that this will soon be a problem we don´t have to worry about. :-P

Yet, it worries me that Microsoft might feel inclined to fund the
Gnome Mono infection directly instead of using proxies as they did in
the past...

FC
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Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Mateusz Marzantowicz]

On 04.07.2012 22:43, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
>  wrote:
>> I was referring to weight of JRE
>> and browser plugins and it's imperfections. I don't care about language
>> itself. If people like it's syntax it's theirs decision. But please Java
>> lovers answer me why am I having problems running Java applets like
>> internet banking
> I was thinking about DESKTOP APPS, those that run with java -jar appname.jar.
>
> OpenJDK, the gpl version of java, does not include the "browser
> plug-in". That is what you use when you need _applets_ to run.
> And that is handled via "icedtea". that is an open source "browser
> plug-in" component developed by a separate team of devs, and a known
> source of problems.
>
> OpenJDK, the Java VM, imho runs quite well, for _desktop_ apps. I
> rarely notice any difference between OpenJDK 7 and the propietary Java
> VM (JRE) that you download from Java.com on Windows machines.
>
> Also, there is always the option of installing the "freeware"
> Sun/Oracle JRE from Java.com...
>
> FC

OK, to be more topic related: I don't condemn Java nor it's JREs etc. I
only think it's not most optimal choice for GNOME as well as .NET or
Mono. This is similar argumentation that Linus Torvalds presents about
why he is not using C++ instead of C for programming.


Mateusz Marzantowicz
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Re: Support for HUAWEI E1820 HSDPA 3G / 4G USB Modem

[Roger]

On 05/07/12 04:25, JD wrote:

Hi All,
I was planning to purchase one of these.
Is it supported in Fedora?



Not easily
We have had trouble both on ubuntu and fedora 16
Roger

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Re: network problem

[Kernel Guardian]

192.168.114.1 is gateway? it should have at least static route for
193.204.165.0/24 network over 192.168.114.60 interface.

On 4 July 2012 14:04, Tiziana Manfroni  wrote:

>
>> For the system with IP address 192.168.114.30 what is the output of
>> netstat -nr ?
>>
>
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
> Iface
> 192.168.114.0   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00
> eth0
> 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00
> eth0
> 0.0.0.0 192.168.114.1   0.0.0.0 UG0  00
> eth0
>
>
>
>
>>
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ipv6 problem

[Mike Wright]

Hi all,

Anybody need a good laugh at somebody else's expense?

I screwed up a dns address and pointed it to China (1.something) instead 
of unrouteable (10.something).  A very *short* time later I was suddenly 
some sort of server for whomever in the world was looking for .CN, much 
of which was ipv6 advertisements, and to add insult to injury I found 
that I was trying resolve them.


Since this had become a major bandwidth consumer and no doubt confused a 
lot of routers around the world I'm pretty sure both the US spies and 
their CN counterparts got their eyes onto me.  Panicked laughter here :/


In my desperate attempts to track down the source of the problem I 
started to tear down anything ipv6.  Seems I've have managed to do so 
quite well.


I have 4 machines that won't speak ipv6.  modprobe ipv6 works on each of 
them, lsmod shows that they all have the ipv6 module installed.


Using iproute2:  "ip addr list"  shows only "inet" addresses but no 
"inet6" addresses.  Any attempt to "ip addr add dev ethX ipv6-addr" 
returns a "permission denied" regardless of user.


I don't remember any ON/OFF switch for ipv6.  (CRS)

Does anybody out there have any idea how to bring IPv6 back to life on 
these machines or perhaps any insight into just what the resident idiot 
may have done?


Thanks, Mike Wright (befuddled)
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Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Frank Murphy]

On 04/07/12 20:29, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:

I having problems running Java applets like

internet banking in my Firefox on Fedora if it's so superior and very
well supported environment?


I have no problems doing my online banking here in Ireland.
with F16.x86_64 Xfce Firefox OpenJDK\Icedtea
I'm not with the bank that has the current technical difficulties:
(Google: Ulster Bank technical problems)


I agree that Java environment is good for

academic usage but I don't buy it as a dumb computer user.



Java is almost exclusively though at W.I.T here in Ireland
As 1st years we asked "why Java"
Reply from College "it's what Industry has asked for"


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Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

[Robert Myers]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Aaron Konstam  wrote:

>
> Why do you stick to ridiculous over-generalizations. As people have said
> several times if you like Ubuntu so much switch to it and don't post to
> the Fedora users list.
> --

And why do you make posts that are nothing but an insult?  The
"ridiculous" overgeneralizations are widely-shared beliefs, whether
they fit your criteria for being true or even sensible or not.  How
old are you?  Twelve?

Robert Myers.
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Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
 wrote:
> I was referring to weight of JRE
> and browser plugins and it's imperfections. I don't care about language
> itself. If people like it's syntax it's theirs decision. But please Java
> lovers answer me why am I having problems running Java applets like
> internet banking

I was thinking about DESKTOP APPS, those that run with java -jar appname.jar.

OpenJDK, the gpl version of java, does not include the "browser
plug-in". That is what you use when you need _applets_ to run.
And that is handled via "icedtea". that is an open source "browser
plug-in" component developed by a separate team of devs, and a known
source of problems.

OpenJDK, the Java VM, imho runs quite well, for _desktop_ apps. I
rarely notice any difference between OpenJDK 7 and the propietary Java
VM (JRE) that you download from Java.com on Windows machines.

Also, there is always the option of installing the "freeware"
Sun/Oracle JRE from Java.com...

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Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!

[linux guy]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM, David A. De Graaf  wrote:

> I've discovered a solution.  It is now necessary to remove two
> packages:
>
> alsa-plugins-pulseaudio
> alsa-plugins-maemo

You just saved me a lot of time.  I was fighting the same issue the other night.

I deleted these packages and sound works again for me too.
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Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

[Aaron Konstam]

On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 15:43 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: 
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Robert Myers  wrote:
> >>  I am anticipating that I will be able to do that in Ubuntu but not in
> >> Fedora, and conversations in Ubuntu forums indicates that my exact hardware
> >> should work just fine.
> >
> > I fail to grasp what would be so fundamentally different between
> > Ubuntu and Fedora with regards to virtualization and flash support.
> >
> There is no fundamental difference that I know of between Ubuntu and
> Fedora with regard to virtualization.
> 
> With regard to flash support, Ubuntu supports it more or less
> transparently and, if you want to use it on Fedora, you can spend the
> rest of your life on forums like this one.  You don't really want me
> here forever, do you?
> 
> The difference between Fedora and Ubuntu that really matters, and if
> you don't want to hear it, just stop reading my posts, is that the
> people who use Ubuntu are generally more like the people who use
> Windows and Canonical knows it and caters to them.  Red Hat (along
> with Fedora and its manifestly snotty community) turns up its nose at
> such users.  It doesn't want them.
> 
> Thus, if I need to find the *exact* Ubuntu driver for the very popular
> webcam I actually use, not only can I find it, but I can also find
> people who use it and talk about how to use it.  If there are such
> users in the Fedora community, I have so far not encountered them.
> Red Hat threw its amateur users overboard to maximize shareholder
> value.  A few loyal diehards hung on.  This loyal diehard can no
> longer afford to.
> 
> Robert Myers.

Why do you stick to ridiculous over-generalizations. As people have said
several times if you like Ubuntu so much switch to it and don't post to
the Fedora users list.
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Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

[Ian Malone]

On 4 July 2012 20:43, Robert Myers  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Robert Myers  wrote:
>>>  I am anticipating that I will be able to do that in Ubuntu but not in
>>> Fedora, and conversations in Ubuntu forums indicates that my exact hardware
>>> should work just fine.
>>
>> I fail to grasp what would be so fundamentally different between
>> Ubuntu and Fedora with regards to virtualization and flash support.
>>
> There is no fundamental difference that I know of between Ubuntu and
> Fedora with regard to virtualization.
>
> With regard to flash support, Ubuntu supports it more or less
> transparently and, if you want to use it on Fedora, you can spend the
> rest of your life on forums like this one.  You don't really want me
> here forever, do you?
>

This is being pessimistic about life expectancy: Adobe are phasing out
flash. No, it wont be tomorrow.

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Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

[Ian Malone]

On 4 July 2012 17:05, Robert Myers  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Ed Gurski  wrote:
>>
>>

> Since you are an older person, like me, you have less time to put up with
> things you don't like, such as people who make posts that you find to be
> disagreeable.  You also have less time to do most anything else, so it might
> be a good idea to spend it on enterprises with a possible positive outcome.
> Trying to influence me as you have would not be on such a list.
>

I can't help but observe you're still here.

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Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

[Joe Zeff]

On 07/04/2012 12:43 PM, Robert Myers wrote:

Thus, if I need to find the*exact*  Ubuntu driver for the very popular
webcam I actually use, not only can I find it, but I can also find
people who use it and talk about how to use it.  If there are such
users in the Fedora community, I have so far not encountered them.


Have you checked the hardware forum over at fedoraforum.org?  It's a 
whole different community, with (AFAICT) very little crossover.  You 
might have better luck there.  Remember, this mailing list isn't the 
only place to get support help with Fedora.

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Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Joe Zeff]

On 07/04/2012 12:29 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:

But please Java
lovers answer me why am I having problems running Java applets like
internet banking in my Firefox on Fedora if it's so superior and very
well supported environment?


Badly written apps that are only tested (and poorly, at that) on one 
version of Windows using one version (probably 6) of IE?

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Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

[David]

On 7/4/2012 3:43 PM, Robert Myers wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Robert Myers  wrote:
>>>  I am anticipating that I will be able to do that in Ubuntu but not in
>>> Fedora, and conversations in Ubuntu forums indicates that my exact hardware
>>> should work just fine.
>>
>> I fail to grasp what would be so fundamentally different between
>> Ubuntu and Fedora with regards to virtualization and flash support.
>>
> There is no fundamental difference that I know of between Ubuntu and
> Fedora with regard to virtualization.
> 
> With regard to flash support, Ubuntu supports it more or less
> transparently and, if you want to use it on Fedora, you can spend the
> rest of your life on forums like this one.  You don't really want me
> here forever, do you?
> 
> The difference between Fedora and Ubuntu that really matters, and if
> you don't want to hear it, just stop reading my posts, is that the
> people who use Ubuntu are generally more like the people who use
> Windows and Canonical knows it and caters to them.  Red Hat (along
> with Fedora and its manifestly snotty community) turns up its nose at
> such users.  It doesn't want them.
> 
> Thus, if I need to find the *exact* Ubuntu driver for the very popular
> webcam I actually use, not only can I find it, but I can also find
> people who use it and talk about how to use it.  If there are such
> users in the Fedora community, I have so far not encountered them.
> Red Hat threw its amateur users overboard to maximize shareholder
> value.  A few loyal diehards hung on.  This loyal diehard can no
> longer afford to.


So you're leaving Fedora for Ubuntu? Well then. What's keeping from
leaving? Not finished trolling yet?

Plonk.

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Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

[Robert Myers]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Robert Myers  wrote:
>>  I am anticipating that I will be able to do that in Ubuntu but not in
>> Fedora, and conversations in Ubuntu forums indicates that my exact hardware
>> should work just fine.
>
> I fail to grasp what would be so fundamentally different between
> Ubuntu and Fedora with regards to virtualization and flash support.
>
There is no fundamental difference that I know of between Ubuntu and
Fedora with regard to virtualization.

With regard to flash support, Ubuntu supports it more or less
transparently and, if you want to use it on Fedora, you can spend the
rest of your life on forums like this one.  You don't really want me
here forever, do you?

The difference between Fedora and Ubuntu that really matters, and if
you don't want to hear it, just stop reading my posts, is that the
people who use Ubuntu are generally more like the people who use
Windows and Canonical knows it and caters to them.  Red Hat (along
with Fedora and its manifestly snotty community) turns up its nose at
such users.  It doesn't want them.

Thus, if I need to find the *exact* Ubuntu driver for the very popular
webcam I actually use, not only can I find it, but I can also find
people who use it and talk about how to use it.  If there are such
users in the Fedora community, I have so far not encountered them.
Red Hat threw its amateur users overboard to maximize shareholder
value.  A few loyal diehards hung on.  This loyal diehard can no
longer afford to.

Robert Myers.
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Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Mateusz Marzantowicz]

On 04.07.2012 19:33, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 07/04/2012 04:48 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
>> On 04.07.2012 05:28, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEzMjM
>>>
>>> I'd rather see more Gnome projects using OpenJDK and
>>> http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/ rather than the .Net clone Mono.
>> Java? This fat and ugly pig? Must be a joke. Gnome should focus on C/C++
>> with Vala and Python as supporting languages.
> Woo hoo!  Language flame wars!  Let's go!
>
> Andrew.

No, no! It's not yet another flame war. I was referring to weight of JRE
and browser plugins and it's imperfections. I don't care about language
itself. If people like it's syntax it's theirs decision. But please Java
lovers answer me why am I having problems running Java applets like
internet banking in my Firefox on Fedora if it's so superior and very
well supported environment? I agree that Java environment is good for
academic usage but I don't buy it as a dumb computer user.


Mateusz Marzantowicz

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Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!

[David A. De Graaf]

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 11:53:15AM +0100, Ian Malone wrote:
> On 30 June 2012 08:41, Roberto Ragusa  wrote:
> > On 06/30/2012 03:53 AM, suvayu ali wrote:
> >
> >> I thought it solved the problem of multiple applications play some
> >> sound simultaneously on the same device? It's not as rare as you might
> >> think; a voip call while you are listening to music for example.
> >
> > That was already solved by alsa dmix.
> >
> 
> For certain values of 'solved'.
> 

I've discovered a solution.  It is now necessary to remove two
packages:

alsa-plugins-pulseaudio
alsa-plugins-maemo

With both packages removed, both root and I (and presumeably all
users) can generate sounds, including a login tune generated in rc.local.

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Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

[Fernando Cassia]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Robert Myers  wrote:
>  I am anticipating that I will be able to do that in Ubuntu but not in
> Fedora, and conversations in Ubuntu forums indicates that my exact hardware
> should work just fine.

I fail to grasp what would be so fundamentally different between
Ubuntu and Fedora with regards to virtualization and flash support.

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Re: OpenAFS and SELinux

[suvayu ali]

Hi Dave,

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:36 PM, David Quigley  wrote:
> On 07/04/2012 11:28, suvayu ali wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Every time I start openafs with "systemctl start openafs.service", I get
>> the following SELinux AVC denial.
>>
>>   SELinux is preventing /usr/sbin/afsd from using the dac_override
>>   capability.
>>
>>   # systemctl status openafs.service
>>   openafs.service - LSB: start and stop OpenAFS
>> Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/openafs)
>> Active: active (running) since Wed, 04 Jul 2012 17:17:20
>> +0200; 8min ago
>>Process: 15673 ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/init.d/openafs start
>> (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
>> CGroup: name=systemd:/system/openafs.service
>> └ 15696 /usr/sbin/afsd -mountdir /afs -confdir
>> /etc/openafs -stat 2000 -dcache 800 -daemons 3 -volumes 70 -nosettime
>> -memcache -afsdb -dynroot
>>
>>   Jul 04 17:17:20  openafs[15673]: Loading AFS kernel
>> module:  [  OK  ]
>>   Jul 04 17:17:20  openafs[15673]: Starting AFS client:
>> afsd: All AFS daemons started.
>>   Jul 04 17:17:20  openafs[15673]: afsd: All AFS daemons
>> started.
>>   Jul 04 17:17:20  openafs[15673]: Can't open /etc/mtab for
>> writing (errno 13); not adding an entry for AFS
>>   Jul 04 17:17:20  openafs[15673]: [  OK  ]
>>
>>   # auditctl -w /etc/shadow -p w
>>   # ausearch -m avc -ts recent
>>   time->Wed Jul  4 17:17:20 2012
>>   type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1341415040.319:275): arch=c03e syscall=2
>>   success=no exit=-13 a0=42402b a1=80442 a2=1b6 a3=238 items=0
>>   ppid=15688 pid=15689 auid=4294967295 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0
>>   egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=(none) ses=4294967295 comm="afsd"
>>   exe="/usr/sbin/afsd" subj=system_u:system_r:afs_t:s0 key=(null)
>>   type=AVC msg=audit(1341415040.319:275): avc: denied { dac_override }
>>   for pid=15689 comm="afsd" capability=1
>>   scontext=system_u:system_r:afs_t:s0
>>   tcontext=system_u:system_r:afs_t:s0 tclass=capability
>>
>> Can someone shed some light if this is a policy bug or an issue at my
>> end?
>>
>
> What are your permissions on /etc/mtab. The AVC is basically saying that the
> AFS daemon was trying to override the normal permission checks and access
> the file anyway. It looks like the daemon is running as root and on my box
> /etc/mtab is owned by root so it looks to me like it shouldn't need to.
>

The permissions seem to be as I would expect them to be:

# lt /etc/mtab; ls -Z /etc/mtab
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 12 Jun 28 09:53 /etc/mtab -> /proc/mounts
lrwxrwxrwx. root root unconfined_u:object_r:etc_t:s0   /etc/mtab -> /proc/mounts

Since I am starting the daemon with systemctl the daemon should be
running as root. I see no potential conflicts here then. Am I right?


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Support for HUAWEI E1820 HSDPA 3G / 4G USB Modem

[JD]

Hi All,
I was planning to purchase one of these.
Is it supported in Fedora?
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Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Haley  wrote:
> Woo hoo!  Language flame wars!  Let's go!

That's exactly the problem... thinking Java is only a programming
language. Java is more than a programming language, it's actually
three things:

1. A programming Language
2. A runtime VM
3. A cross-platform software ecosystem.

Actually, you can write java apps without knowing or touching the Java
programming language, as exemplified by xRuby, Jython, NetRexx
(www.netrexx.org), and Jabaco (www.jabaco.org) just to name a few
examples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_JVM_languages
http://openjdk.java.net/projects/mlvm/jvmlangsummit/
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Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
 wrote:
> Java? This fat and ugly pig? Must be a joke. Gnome should focus on C/C++
> with Vala and Python as supporting languages.

Yeah, such a fat and ugly pig that great software like VOIP app Jitsi
(www.jitsi.org) uses it, Vuze P2P uses it, Jdownloader uses it, like
Art of Illusion 3D renderer and Sweet Home 3D uses it
http://www.sweethome3d.com/index.jsp

With OpenJDK7 being GPL and ubiquitous on Linux distros, it's hard to
make a case for NOT using it, specially when non-Java languages can
use it (Jython, JRuby, xRuby, NetRexx, Jabaco...).

If you speak out of ignorance and prejudice, it can also be said that
C/C++ brought us pigs like KDE 4.x which can use up to 500 MB of ram.

Some examples of great Java based cross platform apps:

Jitsi VOIP - messaging - videoconference
http://www.jitsi.org
Art of Illusion 3D renderer
http://aoi.sourceforge.net/
Bloom (pic uploader to Farcebook)
http://antaki.ca/bloom/
Vuze BitTorrent P2P
http://www.vuze.com
JDownloader
http://www.jdownloader.org/
JDiskReport
http://ho.io/jdiskreport
muCommander file manager / SSH file copy
http://ho.io/mu-commander
JEdit programmers' editor
http://www.jedit.org/
NetBeans IDE
http://www.netbeans.org
OmegaT, translation tool
http://www.omegat.org/en/download_selector/lin_nojre.php
Earth3D
http://venus.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/~gunia/webstart/earth3d_dev.jnlp
(earth3d.org)
Freemind Mind Mapping software
http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Frinika - GPL music sequencer
http://frinika.appspot.com/
JShot screenshot tool - uploading
http://jshot.info/jshot/webstart/jshot.jnlp
PowerFolder (cloud storage)
http://download.powerfolder.com/pro/webstart/PowerFolder.jnlp
PetrusBlogger (multi-blog client)
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/News-Newsgroups-Blog-Tools/Petrus-Blogger.shtml
DVB demux tool
http://sourceforge.net/projects/project-x/
UpTheSync - cloud file syncing
http://upthesync.sourceforge.net/
Burp - Web security testing
http://portswigger.net/burp/
jHome - Home Automation
http://www.eletronlivre.com.br/jhome/

...And these are the ones just off the top off my head

Lots of " stupid " programmers writing cross-platform big fat ugly
Java code, it seems!. ;-P

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Re: OpenAFS and SELinux

[David Quigley]

On 07/04/2012 11:28, suvayu ali wrote:

Hi,

Every time I start openafs with "systemctl start openafs.service", I 
get

the following SELinux AVC denial.

  SELinux is preventing /usr/sbin/afsd from using the dac_override
  capability.

  # systemctl status openafs.service
  openafs.service - LSB: start and stop OpenAFS
Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/openafs)
Active: active (running) since Wed, 04 Jul 2012 17:17:20
+0200; 8min ago
   Process: 15673 ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/init.d/openafs start
(code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
CGroup: name=systemd:/system/openafs.service
└ 15696 /usr/sbin/afsd -mountdir /afs -confdir
/etc/openafs -stat 2000 -dcache 800 -daemons 3 -volumes 70 -nosettime
-memcache -afsdb -dynroot

  Jul 04 17:17:20  openafs[15673]: Loading AFS kernel
module:  [  OK  ]
  Jul 04 17:17:20  openafs[15673]: Starting AFS client:
afsd: All AFS daemons started.
  Jul 04 17:17:20  openafs[15673]: afsd: All AFS daemons 
started.
  Jul 04 17:17:20  openafs[15673]: Can't open /etc/mtab 
for

writing (errno 13); not adding an entry for AFS
  Jul 04 17:17:20  openafs[15673]: [  OK  ]

  # auditctl -w /etc/shadow -p w
  # ausearch -m avc -ts recent
  time->Wed Jul  4 17:17:20 2012
  type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1341415040.319:275): arch=c03e syscall=2
  success=no exit=-13 a0=42402b a1=80442 a2=1b6 a3=238 items=0
  ppid=15688 pid=15689 auid=4294967295 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 
fsuid=0

  egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=(none) ses=4294967295 comm="afsd"
  exe="/usr/sbin/afsd" subj=system_u:system_r:afs_t:s0 key=(null)
  type=AVC msg=audit(1341415040.319:275): avc: denied { dac_override 
}

  for pid=15689 comm="afsd" capability=1
  scontext=system_u:system_r:afs_t:s0
  tcontext=system_u:system_r:afs_t:s0 tclass=capability

Can someone shed some light if this is a policy bug or an issue at my
end?

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What are your permissions on /etc/mtab. The AVC is basically saying 
that the AFS daemon was trying to override the normal permission checks 
and access the file anyway. It looks like the daemon is running as root 
and on my box /etc/mtab is owned by root so it looks to me like it 
shouldn't need to.


Dave
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Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Andrew Haley]

On 07/04/2012 04:48 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
> On 04.07.2012 05:28, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEzMjM
>>
>> I'd rather see more Gnome projects using OpenJDK and
>> http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/ rather than the .Net clone Mono.
> 
> Java? This fat and ugly pig? Must be a joke. Gnome should focus on C/C++
> with Vala and Python as supporting languages.

Woo hoo!  Language flame wars!  Let's go!

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Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

[Robert Myers]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Ed Gurski  wrote:

>
> I too am an older person, retired for 5 years and have been using Fedora
> from it's inception. I have several boxes running Fedora, one even
> running VMWare Workstation with Windows 7 as a guest, without problems!
>

I'm glad it works for you.  It is unlikely it would work for me, and that's
why I have focused on dom0 support.  VMWare Player under Windows actually
does rather poorly over peripherals that are actually controlled by the
host OS (in my case, it has been Windows) and that require real-time
responsiveness.  Examples would be cameras and sound cards, which, in my
case, also coordinate with Flash.  That means that I have to use those
things for certain applications in the host OS, not a guest OS.  I am
anticipating that I will be able to do that in Ubuntu but not in Fedora,
and conversations in Ubuntu forums indicates that my exact hardware should
work just fine.

Since you are an older person, like me, you have less time to put up with
things you don't like, such as people who make posts that you find to be
disagreeable.  You also have less time to do most anything else, so it
might be a good idea to spend it on enterprises with a possible positive
outcome.  Trying to influence me as you have would not be on such a list.

Robert Myers.
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Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

On 07/04/2012 06:53 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:

http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/game/gnome3-rant.html

But the theory in there is that folks like M$ are
secretly sabotaging open source. Looks like they are
right out in the open now:-).


"Close" it? :-P

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Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Tom Horsley]

Somehow this seems relevant once again:

http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/game/gnome3-rant.html

But the theory in there is that folks like M$ are
secretly sabotaging open source. Looks like they are
right out in the open now :-).
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Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Ian Malone]

On 4 July 2012 08:17, Richard Hughes  wrote:
> On 4 July 2012 04:28, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEzMjM
>
> Protip: Don't use phoronix as a reliable news source.
>

i.e. more realistically:
https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/GNOMEandMonoFestivalofLove2012
Hackfest to improve Mono-based applications. The horror!

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Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Mateusz Marzantowicz]

On 04.07.2012 05:28, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEzMjM
>
> I'd rather see more Gnome projects using OpenJDK and
> http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/ rather than the .Net clone Mono.
>
> FC

Java? This fat and ugly pig? Must be a joke. Gnome should focus on C/C++
with Vala and Python as supporting languages.


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Re: No grub2 menu display; can't boot F17

[David A. De Graaf]

On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 02:30:05PM +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
> Sounds like a hardware issue...I too have installed F17 from scratch without a
> single issue. What input devices/ports do you use on the failing machine? What
> are the system specs?
> 
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
> 
> On 07/03/2012 04:31 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote:
> 
> As I also mentioned, this problem occurs on only one of four machines
> on which I've installed F17.  The other three work properly.
> There is no difference in the way I installed F17, that I'm aware of.
> 
> 
> Are there any significant differences between this box and the others?

I have discovered BZ 817187, comment 16, which supplies the solution
to the missing menu.  Apparently the gfxterm, used by default by grub2,
is defective.  Who knew?

The fix is to add this line to /etc/default/grub
GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=console
and rerun 
grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg

All four of my machines use different hardware.  Why only the fourth
chokes on the output from gfxterm remains a mystery.

Thanks to all who tried to help.

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OpenAFS and SELinux

[suvayu ali]

Hi,

Every time I start openafs with "systemctl start openafs.service", I get
the following SELinux AVC denial.

  SELinux is preventing /usr/sbin/afsd from using the dac_override
  capability.

  # systemctl status openafs.service
  openafs.service - LSB: start and stop OpenAFS
Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/openafs)
Active: active (running) since Wed, 04 Jul 2012 17:17:20
+0200; 8min ago
   Process: 15673 ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/init.d/openafs start
(code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
CGroup: name=systemd:/system/openafs.service
└ 15696 /usr/sbin/afsd -mountdir /afs -confdir
/etc/openafs -stat 2000 -dcache 800 -daemons 3 -volumes 70 -nosettime
-memcache -afsdb -dynroot

  Jul 04 17:17:20  openafs[15673]: Loading AFS kernel
module:  [  OK  ]
  Jul 04 17:17:20  openafs[15673]: Starting AFS client:
afsd: All AFS daemons started.
  Jul 04 17:17:20  openafs[15673]: afsd: All AFS daemons started.
  Jul 04 17:17:20  openafs[15673]: Can't open /etc/mtab for
writing (errno 13); not adding an entry for AFS
  Jul 04 17:17:20  openafs[15673]: [  OK  ]

  # auditctl -w /etc/shadow -p w
  # ausearch -m avc -ts recent
  time->Wed Jul  4 17:17:20 2012
  type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1341415040.319:275): arch=c03e syscall=2
  success=no exit=-13 a0=42402b a1=80442 a2=1b6 a3=238 items=0
  ppid=15688 pid=15689 auid=4294967295 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0
  egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=(none) ses=4294967295 comm="afsd"
  exe="/usr/sbin/afsd" subj=system_u:system_r:afs_t:s0 key=(null)
  type=AVC msg=audit(1341415040.319:275): avc: denied { dac_override }
  for pid=15689 comm="afsd" capability=1
  scontext=system_u:system_r:afs_t:s0
  tcontext=system_u:system_r:afs_t:s0 tclass=capability

Can someone shed some light if this is a policy bug or an issue at my
end?

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Re: No grub2 menu display; can't boot F17

[Aaron Konstam]

On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 17:20 -0400, David A. De Graaf wrote: 
> I've filed the text below as
>   Bug 837430 - No grub2 menu; can't boot new F17 installation
> 
> But since the grub2 developers are probably overwhelmed at this point,
> and since folks on this list are usually very helpful, I'll post it
> here too.  If anyone has seen this problem, or even better, has a
> solution, I'd like to know.
> 
> 
> *
> There are so many major faults with grub2 it's hard to see where to
> begin.  The most egregious are these:
> 
> 1 - Instead of presenting a menu, my 64 bit machine displays an error
> message box "Input not supported" which steps diagonally up the screen.
> After about 30 sec the machine boots into some randomly chosen kernel.
> 
> 2 - Most of the menuitems in /boot/grub2/grub.cfg are constructed
> incorrectly; only a few of them can possibly start a properly functioning
> system.
> 
> Taken together, it is nearly impossible to boot a new Fedora 17
> system.  Item 1 means there's no way to choose among the various
> kernels and item 2 means the chance of hitting a working menuitem is
> slim to none.

I have always been confused that some people like the OP have these
problems while I am running F17 64 bit and do not have these problems. I
have a grub2 menu list which allows me to choose a kernel to boot.

What have I done differently then the OP. One thing is I installed F17
using a LiveUSB rather than the DVD.
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Re: network problem SOLVED

[Tiziana Manfroni]

I  forward network packets to the same network interface from where it came from
using utility ip.
Thanks a lot.

Tiziana

  
 / /  \   Tiziana Manfroni
/ / /\ \  Dipartimento di Matematica
   / / /\ \ \ Universita' Roma Tre
  / /_/__\ \ \tel : 0657338237
 /\ \ \   fax : 0657338080
 .___\/e-mail : manfr...@mat.uniroma3.it


On Wed, 4 Jul 2012, Ed Greshko wrote:


On 07/04/2012 08:04 PM, Tiziana Manfroni wrote:

For the system with IP address 192.168.114.30 what is the output of netstat -nr 
?


Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
192.168.114.0   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth0
169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00 eth0
0.0.0.0 192.168.114.1   0.0.0.0 UG0  00 eth0


OK

There is no specific route to 193.204.165.0 network.

So, that means the packets are sent to the default route 192.168.114.1.  What 
kind of
device is that?




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Re: No grub2 menu display; can't boot F17

[Christopher Svanefalk]

Sounds like a hardware issue...I too have installed F17 from scratch
without a single issue. What input devices/ports do you use on the failing
machine? What are the system specs?

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 07/03/2012 04:31 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote:
>
>> As I also mentioned, this problem occurs on only one of four machines
>> on which I've installed F17.  The other three work properly.
>> There is no difference in the way I installed F17, that I'm aware of.
>>
>
> Are there any significant differences between this box and the others?
>
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Re: network problem

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/04/2012 08:04 PM, Tiziana Manfroni wrote:
>> For the system with IP address 192.168.114.30 what is the output of netstat 
>> -nr ?
>
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
> 192.168.114.0   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth0
> 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00 eth0
> 0.0.0.0 192.168.114.1   0.0.0.0 UG0  00 eth0

OK

There is no specific route to 193.204.165.0 network.

So, that means the packets are sent to the default route 192.168.114.1.  What 
kind of
device is that?




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Re: network problem

[Oleg Cherkasov]

On 04. juli 2012 14:04, Tiziana Manfroni wrote:


For the system with IP address 192.168.114.30 what is the output of
netstat -nr ?


Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
Iface
192.168.114.0   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00
eth0
169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00
eth0
0.0.0.0 192.168.114.1   0.0.0.0 UG0  00
eth0



Follow the initial introduction I think IPv4 forwarding is missing, so 
try to enable it:


sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1


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Re: network problem

[Tiziana Manfroni]

For the system with IP address 192.168.114.30 what is the output of netstat -nr 
?


Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse 
Iface
192.168.114.0   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 
eth0
169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00 
eth0
0.0.0.0 192.168.114.1   0.0.0.0 UG0  00 
eth0







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Re: cups and selinux on fedora

[Daniel J Walsh]

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On 07/03/2012 02:14 PM, Jim wrote:
> On 07/03/2012 01:35 PM, Gergely Buday wrote:
>> setenforce 0
> I also had problem with installing that driver for a Samsung CLX3175FN and
> I still can't get it to print on a PC .
> 
> I had to set about 7-8 Selinux rules to get it to print on a Laptop.
> 
> Open the Selinux Troubleshooter in
>> Menu > System  in KDE I don't know where it is in Gnome.
> 
> Selinux Troublshooter on Lower right , click on Lists All Alerts and you
> will see each alert Selinux put out. Click on each alert and then click on
> Troubleshoot.There you'll see each rule to apply. From the SU command
> line.
> 
Most likely the Samsung packages is installing files with bad labels.  I would
look at the content that the Samsung package installed and run restorecon on it.



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Re: network problem

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/04/2012 07:20 PM, Tiziana Manfroni wrote:
> Hi, I have a server with two card network, one in public network 
> (193.204.165.*)
> and other in private network(192.168.114.*).
> When I connect from host on public network (193.204.165.*) or another private
> network (192.168.115.) to server it's all ok, but  for example, if I connect 
> from a
> host with IP address 192.168.114.30 in 'ssh -vvv www@193.204.165.224' the 
> output is
> "ssh: connect to 193.204.165.224 port 22: no route to host". When I connect 
> with
> 'ssh -vvv www@192.168.114.60' I see "www@192.168.114.60's password:" I have 
> this
> network problem for all services on server (http, https, mail) and not for 
> only
> ssh. This server works on RHEL6.3. The service NetworkManager is disable, only
> service network is on.
>
> This is my configuration file:
> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
> DEVICE="eth1"
> ONBOOT=yes
> HWADDR=00:1D:0F:C3:42:F2
> TYPE=Ethernet
> BOOTPROTO=none
> IPADDR=193.204.165.224
> NETMASK=255.255.255.0
> DNS1=193.204.165.131
> DNS2=193.205.139.10
> IPV6INIT=no
>
> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth2
> DEVICE="eth2"
> HWADDR=00:24:01:32:06:C7
> TYPE=Ethernet
> BOOTPROTO=none
> IPADDR=192.168.114.60
> NETMASK=255.255.255.0
> DNS1=193.204.165.131
> DNS2=193.205.139.10
> IPV6INIT=no
> ONBOOT=yes
>
> /etc/sysconfig/network
> NETWORKING=yes
> HOSTNAME=web.mat.uniroma3.it
> GATEWAY=193.204.165.1
>
> /etc/resolv.conf
> search mat.uniroma3.it
> nameserver 193.204.165.131
> nameserver 193.205.139.10
>
>
> Any idea?
>

For the system with IP address 192.168.114.30 what is the output of netstat -nr 
?



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network problem

[Tiziana Manfroni]

Hi, I have a server with two card network, one in public network 
(193.204.165.*) and other in private network(192.168.114.*).
When I connect from host on public network (193.204.165.*) or another 
private network (192.168.115.) to server it's all ok, but  for example, if 
I connect from a host with IP address 192.168.114.30 in 'ssh -vvv www@193.204.165.224' the output is "ssh: 
connect to 193.204.165.224 port 22: no route to host". When I connect with 'ssh 
-vvv www@192.168.114.60' I see "www@192.168.114.60's password:" I have this 
network problem for all services on server (http, https, mail) and not for only 
ssh. This server works on RHEL6.3. The service NetworkManager is disable, 
only service network is on.


This is my configuration file:
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
DEVICE="eth1"
ONBOOT=yes
HWADDR=00:1D:0F:C3:42:F2
TYPE=Ethernet
BOOTPROTO=none
IPADDR=193.204.165.224
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
DNS1=193.204.165.131
DNS2=193.205.139.10
IPV6INIT=no

/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth2
DEVICE="eth2"
HWADDR=00:24:01:32:06:C7
TYPE=Ethernet
BOOTPROTO=none
IPADDR=192.168.114.60
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
DNS1=193.204.165.131
DNS2=193.205.139.10
IPV6INIT=no
ONBOOT=yes

/etc/sysconfig/network
NETWORKING=yes
HOSTNAME=web.mat.uniroma3.it
GATEWAY=193.204.165.1

/etc/resolv.conf
search mat.uniroma3.it
nameserver 193.204.165.131
nameserver 193.205.139.10


Any idea?

Thanks
Tiziana


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Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

[Ed Gurski]

On 07/04/2012 11:23 AM, Robert Myers wrote:
> You are nothing if not persistent.  As to contributing to Linux, which
> for me has *always* been Red Hat, this is not the only forum in
> existence.  Given your investment in defending your ego, it is clearly
> an important forum for you.

I do not see your point or reasoning to announce your exit from Fedora.

I too am an older person, retired for 5 years and have been using Fedora
from it's inception. I have several boxes running Fedora, one even
running VMWare Workstation with Windows 7 as a guest, without problems!

Have you tried other specific forums to see if they offer any help for
your alleged non-Fedora support of Adobe and Flash?

Please leave us all alone, this is a great community and does not need
whining!

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Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 18:03:04 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

> On 07/04/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > No harm, but increased risk that the list owner(s) will be flooded with such
> > requests unnecessarily by lazy people who could unsubscribe themselves.
> 
> I am pretty sure that my mentioning it isn't going to cause a flood of 
> workload for
> anyone.  Besides their email address is already known.
> 
> I wouldn't characterize people as lazy who have problems with computer 
> systems.  If I
> did, I'd have to call my parents lazy.   :-)
> 
> This is a one-off situation that hardly ever comes up on this list.

Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps the list owners can tell whether something like
that has happened before. I don't refer to general "problems with computer
systems", just to the unsubscribing process which involves a bit of
reading the list's web page, which may be too big of a hurdle already.
(I don't expect any subscriber to know about the email-based auto-reply
addresses that can be used to "talk to" the list management software, too.)

The subscription options on the web page are hidden at the bottom. One
must read the page slowly and carefully and not be impatient. When the
footer attached to all messages posted to the list did not mention the
word "unsubscribe", from time to time some users asked (and complained loudly),
about how to unsubscribe. Not mentioning what they've tried to unsubscribe.
Which, to me, is another indication of laziness. There's a connection
between laziness, impatience and upper-case yelling, too. ;)

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Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/04/2012 06:08 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 04.07.2012 12:03, schrieb Ed Greshko:
>> On 07/04/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>>> No harm, but increased risk that the list owner(s) will be flooded with such
>>> requests unnecessarily by lazy people who could unsubscribe themselves.
>> I am pretty sure that my mentioning it isn't going to cause a flood of 
>> workload for
>> anyone. Besides their email address is already known.
> that does not matter, the way to go is with the link in the
> footer or reading mail-headers which are in each mail of
> any mailing-list
>
> Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users 
> List-Id: Community support for Fedora users 
> List-Unsubscribe: ,
>   
> List-Archive: 
> List-Post: 
> List-Help: 
> List-Subscribe: ,
>   
> Sender: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Errors-To: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org
>
>> I wouldn't characterize people as lazy who have problems with computer 
>> systems.  
>> If I did, I'd have to call my parents lazy :-)
> not reading mail-footers and naively post to the whole list "unsubscribe me"
> is a combination of lazy/dumb - what do such people expect? that anybody
> can unsubscribe everyone just for fun - this is not realistic
>

While you are basically correct, it seemed as if the OP had gone along this 
path but
somehow finds himself in a situation where he got a confirmation of 
un-subscription
but is still getting list emails.

Rather than argue endlessly about how to do it, who is rightand on and on.  
Going
to the list owners is reasonable.

Like I said, my parentswho are neither lazy nor dumbhave found 
themselves in
situations they could not understand and get around.  So, they make a phone 
call and
get "customer support".

So...  Since the OP seems satisfied with taking that route...maybe it would be 
a good
idea to just let this drop?  And, since the OP wants to be un-subscribed, we 
need not
reply to him.  Pretend he doesn't exist?

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Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.07.2012 12:03, schrieb Ed Greshko:
> On 07/04/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>> No harm, but increased risk that the list owner(s) will be flooded with such
>> requests unnecessarily by lazy people who could unsubscribe themselves.
> 
> I am pretty sure that my mentioning it isn't going to cause a flood of 
> workload for
> anyone. Besides their email address is already known.

that does not matter, the way to go is with the link in the
footer or reading mail-headers which are in each mail of
any mailing-list

Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users 
List-Id: Community support for Fedora users 
List-Unsubscribe: ,

List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: ,

Sender: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Errors-To: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org

> I wouldn't characterize people as lazy who have problems with computer 
> systems.  
> If I did, I'd have to call my parents lazy :-)

not reading mail-footers and naively post to the whole list "unsubscribe me"
is a combination of lazy/dumb - what do such people expect? that anybody
can unsubscribe everyone just for fun - this is not realistic







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Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/04/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> No harm, but increased risk that the list owner(s) will be flooded with such
> requests unnecessarily by lazy people who could unsubscribe themselves.

I am pretty sure that my mentioning it isn't going to cause a flood of workload 
for
anyone.  Besides their email address is already known.

I wouldn't characterize people as lazy who have problems with computer systems. 
 If I
did, I'd have to call my parents lazy.   :-)

This is a one-off situation that hardly ever comes up on this list.


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Re: BRAINDEAD IDIOT -> Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.07.2012 11:56, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
> I have received an email confirming my unsubscription and hence asking 
> for a reminder fails. It was using these reminders that I logged on to 
> unsubscribe in the first place, but I am still receiving mailing list 
> mail, and able to post.

prove by mails including "To" and "Date" headers

after your trolling the last days and the fact that you did
not state this from the very beginning makes you untrusted

> Hopefully other advice I have taken will get this problem sorted out

did you really send a mail to "users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org"
with the subject "unsubscribe" as statet in the mail-headers of any
message

> Please note I have also recommended Rheindl Harald be unsubscribed 
> for being rude and offensive, see the changed subject title above 
> for just one example

boy YOU DID forward/reply a private message to list and admins
so this was not a list-topic before you did something wrong

there are even laws which FORBIDS disclose private messages
on lists - if you can't stand the content you are free
consulting a lawyer, but you are not permitted to public
anything you are receiving private!



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Re: startup/shutdown scripts

[Christopher Svanefalk]

Thanks a lot!

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:

>
>
> Am 04.07.2012 11:41, schrieb Christopher Svanefalk:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > if I want some custom commands to be run when my system boots up, and
> some other commands to be run when it powers
> > down, what files do I have to modify to achieve this? Thanks in advance!
>
> below a example-systemd-service whichs works fine except
> that "vm-suspend-all.sh" is interrupted by systemd at
> shutdown for whatever reason
>
> but this is the way to go
>
>
> [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/systemd/system/vmware-default.service
> [Unit]
> Description=VMware-Default-Machines
> After=vmware.service
>
> [Service]
> Type=oneshot
> ExecStart=/bin/su -c "/scripts/vmware/vm-default-start.sh" vmware
> ExecStop=/scripts/vmware/vm-suspend-all.sh
> RemainAfterExit=yes
> TimeoutSec=1800
> SysVStartPriority=90
>
> [Install]
> WantedBy=multi-user.target
>
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Re: BRAINDEAD IDIOT -> Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[n2xssvv.g02gfr12930]

On 07/04/2012 10:43 AM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
> Wow, there are a lot of chill-pills to be distributed in this thread.
> Seriously now people...
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Michael Schwendt  > wrote:
>
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:31:25 +0100, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:
>
> > > To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
> > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> > >
> > That is what I am trying to do, and you are just being abusive.
> I can no
> > longer log into my account   and hence I can do no more there.
>
> Sure you can. There is a "Password reminder" section on that page,
> so use it.
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>
> Christopher Svanefalk
>
>
>

I have received an email confirming my unsubscription and hence asking
for a reminder fails. It was using these reminders that I logged on to
unsubscribe in the first place, but I am still receiving mailing list
mail, and able to post.

Hopefully other advice I have taken will get this problem sorted out.

Please note I have also recommended Rheindl Harald be unsubscribed for
being rude and offensive, see the changed subject title above for just
one example.

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Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 17:44:12 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

> On 07/04/2012 05:40 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > User has not lost access to this email address. No list-owner help is
> > necessary. It's trivial to visit the following page, enter the email
> > address at the bottom and then either "Unsubscribe" (or, optionally, trigger
> > the "Password reminder" with the goal of logging in to the web site to play
> > with other options).
> >
> >  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> >   -> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/options/users
> >
> > Anybody can request unsubscription of an arbitrary email address, btw, and
> > the process is protected with a confirmation message the subscriber must
> > react to.
> 
> When I read the other posts I got the impression that the OP had gone through 
> the
> unsubscribe process, but is still getting list mail.  Then, tried to 
> unsubscribe
> again, but can't login to the list page to do it again.

Well, we can only guess, and we could waste time with trying to reproduce
the problem.  But in either case, it is _not_ necessary to login to the
list page for the unsubscription button.

I see no immediate reason why unsubscribing should not work anymore.

> If that is what is going on I see no harm in contacting the list owners and 
> asking
> them to perform a bit of manual labor.

No harm, but increased risk that the list owner(s) will be flooded with such
requests unnecessarily by lazy people who could unsubscribe themselves.
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Re: BRAINDEAD IDIOT -> Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[n2xssvv.g02gfr12930]

On 07/04/2012 10:29 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:31:25 +0100, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:
>
>>> To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
>>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>
>> That is what I am trying to do, and you are just being abusive. I can no
>> longer log into my account   and hence I can do no more there.
> Sure you can. There is a "Password reminder" section on that page, so use it.
A password for a user who has received confirmation of being
unsubscribed no longer works. In fact I used the password from that
reminder to unsubscribe. Asking for another reminder after unsubscribing
also failed, as I was already unsubscribed, a catch-22 situation I'd
suggest.

I have taken advice from another post and I'm hopeful that I will no
longer be receiving mail from this mailing list.

Unfortunately my experience of this mailing list was disappointing, no
offense to anyone intended, and hence I have unsubscribed. From now on I
will try looking elsewhere for help with problems, and will be reluctant
to offer any help to others. Best of luck to those still using the
mailing list.

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Re: startup/shutdown scripts

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.07.2012 11:41, schrieb Christopher Svanefalk:
> Dear all,
> 
> if I want some custom commands to be run when my system boots up, and some 
> other commands to be run when it powers
> down, what files do I have to modify to achieve this? Thanks in advance!

below a example-systemd-service whichs works fine except
that "vm-suspend-all.sh" is interrupted by systemd at
shutdown for whatever reason

but this is the way to go


[root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/systemd/system/vmware-default.service
[Unit]
Description=VMware-Default-Machines
After=vmware.service

[Service]
Type=oneshot
ExecStart=/bin/su -c "/scripts/vmware/vm-default-start.sh" vmware
ExecStop=/scripts/vmware/vm-suspend-all.sh
RemainAfterExit=yes
TimeoutSec=1800
SysVStartPriority=90

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target



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Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/04/2012 05:40 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> User has not lost access to this email address. No list-owner help is
> necessary. It's trivial to visit the following page, enter the email
> address at the bottom and then either "Unsubscribe" (or, optionally, trigger
> the "Password reminder" with the goal of logging in to the web site to play
> with other options).
>
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>   -> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/options/users
>
> Anybody can request unsubscription of an arbitrary email address, btw, and
> the process is protected with a confirmation message the subscriber must
> react to.

When I read the other posts I got the impression that the OP had gone through 
the
unsubscribe process, but is still getting list mail.  Then, tried to unsubscribe
again, but can't login to the list page to do it again.

If that is what is going on I see no harm in contacting the list owners and 
asking
them to perform a bit of manual labor.


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Re: BRAINDEAD IDIOT -> Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[Christopher Svanefalk]

Wow, there are a lot of chill-pills to be distributed in this thread.
Seriously now people...

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:

> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:31:25 +0100, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:
>
> > > To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
> > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> > >
> > That is what I am trying to do, and you are just being abusive. I can no
> > longer log into my account   and hence I can do no more there.
>
> Sure you can. There is a "Password reminder" section on that page, so use
> it.
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startup/shutdown scripts

[Christopher Svanefalk]

Dear all,

if I want some custom commands to be run when my system boots up, and some
other commands to be run when it powers down, what files do I have to
modify to achieve this? Thanks in advance!

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Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 16:57:44 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

> If you want to be unsubscribed, but have found that you can't due to some 
> issue, then
> send an email to users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org  and ask them to 
> unsubscribe you
> manually.
> 
> The list owners don't regularly read the list.  So, they may not see your 
> request here.
> 

User has not lost access to this email address. No list-owner help is
necessary. It's trivial to visit the following page, enter the email
address at the bottom and then either "Unsubscribe" (or, optionally, trigger
the "Password reminder" with the goal of logging in to the web site to play
with other options).

 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
  -> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/options/users

Anybody can request unsubscription of an arbitrary email address, btw, and
the process is protected with a confirmation message the subscriber must
react to.
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Re: BRAINDEAD IDIOT -> Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:31:25 +0100, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:

> > To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> >
> That is what I am trying to do, and you are just being abusive. I can no
> longer log into my account   and hence I can do no more there.

Sure you can. There is a "Password reminder" section on that page, so use it.
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Re: BRAINDEAD IDIOT -> Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[n2xssvv.g02gfr12930]

On 07/04/2012 10:00 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND HERE?
>
> i explained you TWICE how to unubscribe and use a mailing-list
>
>>> why do simply not send a mail to "users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org"
>>> with the subject "unsubscribe"
> Am 04.07.2012 10:41, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
>> On 07/04/2012 09:37 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> EACH mail on any mailing-list in this world has unsubscribe-headers,
>>> so why in the world do you not google "how to unsubscibe from a
>>> mailing list"
>>>
>>> List-Unsubscribe: ,
>>> 
>>> ___
> Am 04.07.2012 10:52, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
>
>>> why do simply not send a mail to "users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org"
>>> with the subject "unsubscribe" and leave the world in peace? nobody
>>> on any mailing-list can you unsubscribe, this is not the way mailing
>>> lists are working .- so stop spamming people!
>>>
>> The topic title of this email was of your making, and apparently you are 
>> proud of it. Perhaps that's why nobody
>> else is replying. How can I unsubscribe if I cannot log on to my account 
>> which I have already unsubscribed from?
>> Please only reply if you have something more useful to add, and being rude 
>> and insulting does not make you look big
>> or clever, so may I recommend you don't do so.
>>
>> All replys to Rheindl Harald from myself will be forwarded to the mailing 
>> list manager
> 1. UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THE LIST AS EXPLAINED
> 2. DO NO SPAM LIST-ADMINS
> 3. DO NOT USE HTML MESSAGES in ANY MAILING LIST
> 4. Go BACK TO SCHOOL AND LEARN READING
>
I have had useful advice from someone else and acted upon it. They felt
no need to be condescending, rude, or insulting, and hence my
recommendation below.

May I recommend that Rhendl Harald, a rude and insulting user of your
mailing lists should  also be unsubscribed.

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Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

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On 07/04/2012 09:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> If you want to be unsubscribed, but have found that you can't due to some 
> issue, then
> send an email to users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org  and ask them to 
> unsubscribe you
> manually.
>
> The list owners don't regularly read the list.  So, they may not see your 
> request here.
>
Thank you for that useful reply, and as you can see I have forwarded my
request to be unsubscribed to the address you gave.

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Re: BRAINDEAD IDIOT -> Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[Reindl Harald]

WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND HERE?

i explained you TWICE how to unubscribe and use a mailing-list

>> why do simply not send a mail to "users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org"
>> with the subject "unsubscribe"

Am 04.07.2012 10:41, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
> On 07/04/2012 09:37 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> EACH mail on any mailing-list in this world has unsubscribe-headers,
>> so why in the world do you not google "how to unsubscibe from a
>> mailing list"
>>
>> List-Unsubscribe: ,
>>  
>> ___

Am 04.07.2012 10:52, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:

>> why do simply not send a mail to "users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org"
>> with the subject "unsubscribe" and leave the world in peace? nobody
>> on any mailing-list can you unsubscribe, this is not the way mailing
>> lists are working .- so stop spamming people!
>>
> The topic title of this email was of your making, and apparently you are 
> proud of it. Perhaps that's why nobody
> else is replying. How can I unsubscribe if I cannot log on to my account 
> which I have already unsubscribed from?
> Please only reply if you have something more useful to add, and being rude 
> and insulting does not make you look big
> or clever, so may I recommend you don't do so.
> 
> All replys to Rheindl Harald from myself will be forwarded to the mailing 
> list manager

1. UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THE LIST AS EXPLAINED
2. DO NO SPAM LIST-ADMINS
3. DO NOT USE HTML MESSAGES in ANY MAILING LIST
4. Go BACK TO SCHOOL AND LEARN READING



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Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[Ed Greshko]

If you want to be unsubscribed, but have found that you can't due to some 
issue, then
send an email to users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org  and ask them to 
unsubscribe you
manually.

The list owners don't regularly read the list.  So, they may not see your 
request here.

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Re: BRAINDEAD IDIOT -> Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[n2xssvv.g02gfr12930]

On 07/04/2012 09:44 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 04.07.2012 10:41, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
>> On 07/04/2012 09:37 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> are you crazy?
>>>
>>> EACH mail on any mailing-list in this world has unsubscribe-headers,
>>> so why in the world do you not google "how to unsubscibe from a
>>> mailing list"
>>>
>>> List-Unsubscribe: ,
>>> 
>>> ___
>>>
>>> the reason why i offending oyu this way are MANY mails like
>>> some minutes ago off-list from you - fine that you are
>>> proving again that you are too stupid for email due reply
>>> to list and admins!
>>>
>>>  Original-Nachricht 
>>> Datum:  Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:33:26 +0100
>>> Von:n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 
>>> An: Reindl Harald 
>>>
>>> nuisance
>>> n 1: (law) a broad legal concept including anything that disturbs
>>> the reasonable use of your property or endangers life
>>> and health or is offensive
>>> 2: a bothersome annoying person; "that kid is a terrible pain"
>>> [syn: {pain}, {pain in the neck}]
>> Do you really think you look like a reasonable, polite and helpful 
>> individual? 
>> Being insulting does that does it?
> do you really think that it is not easy to look in the archives
> from which point you started to trolling me with stupid
> replies even in a thread nobody spoke to you?
>
> do you really think it is somehow smart to spam "ex...@redhat.com"?
>
> why do simply not send a mail to "users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org"
> with the subject "unsibscribe" and leave the world in peace? nobody
> on any mailing-list can you unsubscribe, this is not the way mailing
> lists are working .- so stop spamming people!
>
>
The topic title of this email was of your making, and apparently you are
proud of it. Perhaps that's why nobody else is replying. How can I
unsubscribe if I cannot log on to my account which I have already
unsubscribed from? Please only reply if you have something more useful
to add, and being rude and insulting does not make you look big or
clever, so may I recommend you don't do so.

All replys to Rheindl Harald from myself will be forwarded to the
mailing list manager.

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Re: BRAINDEAD IDIOT -> Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.07.2012 10:41, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
> On 07/04/2012 09:37 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> are you crazy?
>>
>> EACH mail on any mailing-list in this world has unsubscribe-headers,
>> so why in the world do you not google "how to unsubscibe from a
>> mailing list"
>>
>> List-Unsubscribe: ,
>>  
>> ___
>>
>> the reason why i offending oyu this way are MANY mails like
>> some minutes ago off-list from you - fine that you are
>> proving again that you are too stupid for email due reply
>> to list and admins!
>>
>>  Original-Nachricht 
>> Datum:   Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:33:26 +0100
>> Von: n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 
>> An:  Reindl Harald 
>>
>> nuisance
>> n 1: (law) a broad legal concept including anything that disturbs
>> the reasonable use of your property or endangers life
>> and health or is offensive
>> 2: a bothersome annoying person; "that kid is a terrible pain"
>> [syn: {pain}, {pain in the neck}]
>
> Do you really think you look like a reasonable, polite and helpful 
> individual? 
> Being insulting does that does it?

do you really think that it is not easy to look in the archives
from which point you started to trolling me with stupid
replies even in a thread nobody spoke to you?

do you really think it is somehow smart to spam "ex...@redhat.com"?

why do simply not send a mail to "users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org"
with the subject "unsibscribe" and leave the world in peace? nobody
on any mailing-list can you unsubscribe, this is not the way mailing
lists are working .- so stop spamming people!




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Re: BRAINDEAD IDIOT -> Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[n2xssvv.g02gfr12930]

On 07/04/2012 09:37 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> are you crazy?
>
> EACH mail on any mailing-list in this world has unsubscribe-headers,
> so why in the world do you not google "how to unsubscibe from a
> mailing list"
>
> List-Unsubscribe: ,
>   
> ___
>
> the reason why i offending oyu this way are MANY mails like
> some minutes ago off-list from you - fine that you are
> proving again that you are too stupid for email due reply
> to list and admins!
>
>  Original-Nachricht 
> Datum:Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:33:26 +0100
> Von:  n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 
> An:   Reindl Harald 
>
> nuisance
> n 1: (law) a broad legal concept including anything that disturbs
> the reasonable use of your property or endangers life
> and health or is offensive
> 2: a bothersome annoying person; "that kid is a terrible pain"
> [syn: {pain}, {pain in the neck}]
>
>
> Am 04.07.2012 10:31, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
>> On 07/04/2012 09:15 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> Am 04.07.2012 10:01, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
>>> _
>>>
>>> WHY IN THE WORLD ARE YOU FUCKING TOO STUPID TO READ THE
>>> MAIL-FOOTER AND CLICK ON THE DAMNED LINK - YOU HAVE
>>> SUBSCRIBED AT YOUR OWN SO DO THE SAME FOR UNSUBSCRIBE
>>> AND LEAVE US ALL FUCK IN PEACE
>>>
>>> users mailing list
>>> users@lists.fedoraproject.org
>>> To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
>>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>
>> That is what I am trying to do, and you are just being abusive. I can no 
>> longer log into my account   and hence I
>> can do no more there. So I have emailed the mailing list manager, but have 
>> received no reply.
>>
>> To everyone else, here is what you can expect from Reindl if he takes 
>> offense at you, and therefore I would advise
>> you are careful not to contradict him.
>>
>> This mail has also been forwarded to the mailing list manager
>>
>>
>>
Do you really think you look like a reasonable, polite and helpful
individual? Being insulting does that does it?

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Re: BRAINDEAD IDIOT -> Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[Reindl Harald]

are you crazy?

EACH mail on any mailing-list in this world has unsubscribe-headers,
so why in the world do you not google "how to unsubscibe from a
mailing list"

List-Unsubscribe: ,

___

the reason why i offending oyu this way are MANY mails like
some minutes ago off-list from you - fine that you are
proving again that you are too stupid for email due reply
to list and admins!

 Original-Nachricht 
Datum:  Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:33:26 +0100
Von:n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 
An: Reindl Harald 

nuisance
n 1: (law) a broad legal concept including anything that disturbs
the reasonable use of your property or endangers life
and health or is offensive
2: a bothersome annoying person; "that kid is a terrible pain"
[syn: {pain}, {pain in the neck}]


Am 04.07.2012 10:31, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
> On 07/04/2012 09:15 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>> Am 04.07.2012 10:01, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
>> _
>>
>> WHY IN THE WORLD ARE YOU FUCKING TOO STUPID TO READ THE
>> MAIL-FOOTER AND CLICK ON THE DAMNED LINK - YOU HAVE
>> SUBSCRIBED AT YOUR OWN SO DO THE SAME FOR UNSUBSCRIBE
>> AND LEAVE US ALL FUCK IN PEACE
>>
>> users mailing list
>> users@lists.fedoraproject.org
>> To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>
> That is what I am trying to do, and you are just being abusive. I can no 
> longer log into my account   and hence I
> can do no more there. So I have emailed the mailing list manager, but have 
> received no reply.
> 
> To everyone else, here is what you can expect from Reindl if he takes offense 
> at you, and therefore I would advise
> you are careful not to contradict him.
> 
> This mail has also been forwarded to the mailing list manager
> 
> 
> 

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Re: BRAINDEAD IDIOT -> Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[n2xssvv.g02gfr12930]

On 07/04/2012 09:15 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 04.07.2012 10:01, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
> _
>
> WHY IN THE WORLD ARE YOU FUCKING TOO STUPID TO READ THE
> MAIL-FOOTER AND CLICK ON THE DAMNED LINK - YOU HAVE
> SUBSCRIBED AT YOUR OWN SO DO THE SAME FOR UNSUBSCRIBE
> AND LEAVE US ALL FUCK IN PEACE
>
> users mailing list
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>
That is what I am trying to do, and you are just being abusive. I can no
longer log into my account   and hence I can do no more there. So I have
emailed the mailing list manager, but have received no reply.

To everyone else, here is what you can expect from Reindl if he takes
offense at you, and therefore I would advise you are careful not to
contradict him.

This mail has also been forwarded to the mailing list manager

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Re: BRAINDEAD IDIOT -> Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[n2xssvv.g02gfr12930]

On 07/04/2012 09:15 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 04.07.2012 10:01, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
> _
>
> WHY IN THE WORLD ARE YOU FUCKING TOO STUPID TO READ THE
> MAIL-FOOTER AND CLICK ON THE DAMNED LINK - YOU HAVE
> SUBSCRIBED AT YOUR OWN SO DO THE SAME FOR UNSUBSCRIBE
> AND LEAVE US ALL FUCK IN PEACE
>
> users mailing list
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
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You are welcome to speak for yourself when you indulge hypocritically in
the practices you complain about. I will not indulge in insulting you as
it is unnecessary

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Re: USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

[Stevo Slavić]

Unsubscribing is not an option, Your ass & soul is 0wn3d by the mailing
list! :)

Dude, how hard could it be to figure out how to unsubscribe from mailing
list.

Google for "fedora users mailing list unsubscribe" and you may be saved :)

Even more hints at:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#Unsubscribing

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USER SHOULD BE UNSUBSCRIBED

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Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

[Richard Hughes]

On 4 July 2012 04:28, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEzMjM

Protip: Don't use phoronix as a reliable news source.

Richard.
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