Re: Clams.....

[Joe Zeff]

On 09/08/2012 10:11 PM, Roger wrote:

Wow! You understand the indecipherable -- Regedit, wow,  Linux is easy
after that!


Back when I was doing tech support for an ISP, I kept a shortcut to 
Regedit on my desktop.  Of course, after a few months, I almost never 
used it (or had callers back up the registry, most of the time) because 
I knew exactly where to look and what needed to be done.  And, I knew 
when you had to reboot to make the changes take effect.  What I never 
did manage to learn, however, is why you could only change certain 
settings in Outlook by regedit, even though there was a place in the 
settings that *claimed* to change them or why you had to restart Windows 
before Outlook would admit there'd been changes.

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Re: Clams.....

[Roger]

On 09/09/2012 01:59 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 09/08/2012 11:40 PM, Roger wrote:
This demonstrates one of the problems Linux generically suffers in 
the Desktop world. It demands too much knowledge of the internal part 
of the operating system.


Well, yes and no.
Rather it demands  sufficient knowledge to work on problems as they 
occur.
This was discussed many years ago and I have found that the knowledge 
and ability to get under the hood and fix things, by far outweighs 
the learning one must do to use/control ones computer.


If I could recommend anything in Linux it would be "Learn to use the 
terminal and text commands" They are tools of the trade.

Roger
Sound advice indeedand slowly but surely I'm getting the hang of 
itbut like..what you just described would have been for 
me?.a TOTAL re-installation of EVERYTHING!..
I wonder if there's a "manual" with all the commands one might need? 
And then another question would be: Are the commands different 
dependent on the distro you use?...will the same commands work in 
Ubuntu.Fedora.Linux Mint..Mandriva etc? 


And I guess THIS is the reason a lot of people won't live 
Windowsbecause there's just TOO much information to absorbat 
times I almost feel like crawling back into my "Regedit" / "Task 
Manager" hole and staying there, but after being exposed to Linux I 
don't think I could EVER allow myself to fall back into that 
ignorant..close-minded state. 


S..If it means hours upon hours of studying Linux commands 
then so be it. Eventually I think I'm going to pursue a "cert" in 
Linux...nothing major just a general cert that can allow me to get my 
foot in the door,and in doing so I'm almost 100% certain that I'll 
need "terminal skills' in order to pass the exams



Some things to consider:
With Linux, don't be afraid of a total reinstall, in fact I heartily 
recommend it, getting the practice of installing trashing, reinstalling, 
trying different formatting options, etc as indispensable.
Having said that, may I also recommend learning the processes of backing 
up, having at the very least, your complete /home directory stored 
somewhere and refreshing it every week or so, all good practice.
Have your documents, your emails, your images and pictures, spread 
sheets, etc,  saved regularly off the computer.


Manual/s: Google is your friend.  Google knows stuff, Google gives 
freely to those who seek! Google bash commands, Google vim commands, 
Google Linux shell commands.
To live long and prosper, you need to know about a dozen shell commands, 
maybe not that much even. Others come with time and necessity.
In Linux we have man pages (manual pages)  man vi, man df, man man. as 
examples. Also info pages, which are newer than man pages.


Are Linux commands different per flavour --No! not really.
Linux/Unix commands just are. There are some differences for example: In 
Fedora, RedHat, CentOS we use yum (yellowdog Update Manager) to install 
and or manage apps. man yum gives a good explanation. In Ubuntu 
(Debian)  it's apt-get or aptitude to install and manage, in Ubuntu type 
man apt-get or man aptitude for details.


To see what man pages are available try ls /bin. ls (lowercase L) means 
list and /bin is where core binaries are kept. Each of those has a man page.
ls /directory  = list /contents of directory,  ls -aFl /directory means 
list the directory contents and add some important information in a 
readable format. man ls explains.


It's not hours of study, it's more - do it as needed.

Wow! You understand the indecipherable -- Regedit, wow,  Linux is easy 
after that!


People won't leave windows. A person was asked "Why do you keep kicking 
the curb, your foot is bleeding"? - "I feel safe knowing the curb is 
there", was the answer.


HTH
Roger


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Re: Clams.....

[Doug]

On 09/08/2012 11:59 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 09/08/2012 11:40 PM, Roger wrote:
This demonstrates one of the problems Linux generically suffers in 
the Desktop world. It demands too much knowledge of the internal part 
of the operating system.


Well, yes and no.
Rather it demands  sufficient knowledge to work on problems as they 
occur.
This was discussed many years ago and I have found that the knowledge 
and ability to get under the hood and fix things, by far outweighs 
the learning one must do to use/control ones computer.


In proprietary systems, the user, sheltered from everything, must 
rely on other more knowledgeable folk to fix or create endless 
varieties of apps to fix things for a fee.
In the nixes much can be generally fixed from the terminal, and the 
fee for this is learning and asking on list.


Let me give you an example of a potential catastrophe that happened 
to me on Saturday morning.
In Fedora 16 I run VirtualBox, In VBox I have xp and LinuxMint, 
Fedora 17 will not install for me.
Anyway Linux Mint would not shut down, it locked, nothing would shut 
it off, so in a terminal I did ps aux |grep VirtualBox to find the 
process of VirtualBox and kill -9 processnumber to kill it. It would 
not kill.


I waited an hour in case the computer was processing something then I 
switched off the pc, tried a restart but errors galore during boot, 
faulty sectors and a whole lot of other faults.
The message at the end of the list of errors said  to 
continue or enter root password and run fsck to repair, I chose this 
option, logged in as root, fsck fixed everything and Fedora came up 
and operates perfectly.


Had this been exclusively GUI or a Windows machine it would have, for 
me, meant reformatting and reinstalling. Hours of misery, dozens of 
applications to reinstall and a dozen reboots.


If I could recommend anything in Linux it would be "Learn to use the 
terminal and text commands" They are tools of the trade.

Roger
Sound advice indeedand slowly but surely I'm getting the hang of 
itbut like..what you just described would have been for 
me?.a TOTAL re-installation of EVERYTHING!..I wonder if 
there's a "manual" with all the commands one might need? And then 
another question would be: Are the commands different dependent on the 
distro you use?...will the same commands work in 
Ubuntu.Fedora.Linux Mint..Mandriva etc? And I guess THIS 
is the reason a lot of people won't live Windowsbecause there's 
just TOO much information to absorbat times I almost feel like 
crawling back into my "Regedit" / "Task Manager" hole and staying 
there, but after being exposed to Linux I don't think I could EVER 
allow myself to fall back into that ignorant..close-minded state. 
S..If it means hours upon hours of studying Linux commands 
then so be it. Eventually I think I'm going to pursue a "cert" in 
Linux...nothing major just a general cert that can allow me to get my 
foot in the door,and in doing so I'm almost 100% certain that I'll 
need "terminal skills' in order to pass the exams



EGO II
Congratualtions!  For an excellent book on Linux commands: Linux in a 
Nutshell from O'Reilly. It was $50 when I bought it, and I use it at 
least once a week.

--doug

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Re: Icon themes

[jarmo]

Sat, 08 Sep 2012 09:00:41 -0300
Lailah  kirjoitti:

> 
> Oh!  I see...  Well, I'd never find any difference between Fedora Icon
> Theme and Oxygen Icon Theme.  May be you can try downloading other
> icon theme and installing it.  See if that works.  If not, it is a
> bug.
> 
> 
> 
> Have a nice day
> Lailah
> 
> PD:  You can download icons, theme, and other stuff from
> kde-look.org 

Now the question is, that when I try to change theme into Fedora, it
returns back to Oxygen. Ok, I tried to change what ever from manager,
even those ugly ones, no way. It insist that it is Oxygen and that's it.

What a Nice Morning
Jarmo
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Re: Adding fonts

[Peter Gueckel]

Peter Gueckel wrote:

> sudo ln -s /usr/share/X11/fonts/ttf /usr/share/fonts/ttf

This line is wrong. It should be:

sudo ln -s /usr/share/fonts/ttf /etc/X11/fontpath.d/ttf


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Re: Adding fonts

[Peter Gueckel]

jonetsu wrote:

>   I'd like to know...

Do something like this to make the font available to all users on the system:

sudo mkdir /usr/share/fonts/ttf
sudo cp -i HGRSKP.TTF /usr/share/fonts/ttf/hgrskp.ttf
sudo chown root.root /usr/share/fonts/ttf/hgrskp.ttf
sudo chmod 644 /usr/share/fonts/ttf/hgrskp.ttf
sudo ln -s /usr/share/X11/fonts/ttf /usr/share/fonts/ttf

If only you will use it, then I believe you can simply put the font into:

/home/you/.fonts/

KDE will do this for you, under systemsettings, font management, add... I think 
they 
should still be available under other window managers.

As for the exe files, if you have a dummy Windows system, you could extract 
them and 
then copy then to your Fedora system.

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Re: Clams.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/09/2012 12:20 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 09/08/2012 08:59 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

And I guess THIS is the reason a lot of people won't live
Windowsbecause there's just TOO much information to absorb


I have a friend who's (among other things) a computer and political 
columnist.  I've both seen and heard him describe both Linux and Unix 
as "guru employment projects."  I've also heard him talk about keeping 
various Windows boxes synced by using xcopy with three command-line 
switches that most people have never heard of.  I've pointed out to 
him, more than once, that he's a Windows/DOS guru, but I don't think 
he really believes me.  I'm trying to get him to experiment with Live 
CDs so that he can see what Linux is like now without needing to 
install anything, but I don't think he's gotten the idea.  Maybe I'll 
burn him one or two and ask him to try them.
Well the more the merrier I say! I for one am going to start literally 
LIVING in cyberspace, combing through every linksite..every 
1980's "scroll" of information I can find so that I can enhance my 
"Linux-skills" to levels unheard of.in my household only! Because 
I'm sure I would need at least _*five*_ lifetimes to get to the level of 
mastery some of you folks have displayed here!LoL!



EGO II
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Re: Clams.....

[Joe Zeff]

On 09/08/2012 08:59 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

And I guess THIS is the reason a lot of people won't live
Windowsbecause there's just TOO much information to absorb


I have a friend who's (among other things) a computer and political 
columnist.  I've both seen and heard him describe both Linux and Unix as 
"guru employment projects."  I've also heard him talk about keeping 
various Windows boxes synced by using xcopy with three command-line 
switches that most people have never heard of.  I've pointed out to him, 
more than once, that he's a Windows/DOS guru, but I don't think he 
really believes me.  I'm trying to get him to experiment with Live CDs 
so that he can see what Linux is like now without needing to install 
anything, but I don't think he's gotten the idea.  Maybe I'll burn him 
one or two and ask him to try them.

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Re: Clams.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/08/2012 11:40 PM, Roger wrote:
This demonstrates one of the problems Linux generically suffers in the 
Desktop world. It demands too much knowledge of the internal part of 
the operating system.


Well, yes and no.
Rather it demands  sufficient knowledge to work on problems as they 
occur.
This was discussed many years ago and I have found that the knowledge 
and ability to get under the hood and fix things, by far outweighs the 
learning one must do to use/control ones computer.


In proprietary systems, the user, sheltered from everything, must rely 
on other more knowledgeable folk to fix or create endless varieties of 
apps to fix things for a fee.
In the nixes much can be generally fixed from the terminal, and the 
fee for this is learning and asking on list.


Let me give you an example of a potential catastrophe that happened to 
me on Saturday morning.
In Fedora 16 I run VirtualBox, In VBox I have xp and LinuxMint, Fedora 
17 will not install for me.
Anyway Linux Mint would not shut down, it locked, nothing would shut 
it off, so in a terminal I did ps aux |grep VirtualBox to find the 
process of VirtualBox and kill -9 processnumber to kill it. It would 
not kill.


I waited an hour in case the computer was processing something then I 
switched off the pc, tried a restart but errors galore during boot, 
faulty sectors and a whole lot of other faults.
The message at the end of the list of errors said  to continue 
or enter root password and run fsck to repair, I chose this option, 
logged in as root, fsck fixed everything and Fedora came up and 
operates perfectly.


Had this been exclusively GUI or a Windows machine it would have, for 
me, meant reformatting and reinstalling. Hours of misery, dozens of 
applications to reinstall and a dozen reboots.


If I could recommend anything in Linux it would be "Learn to use the 
terminal and text commands" They are tools of the trade.

Roger
Sound advice indeedand slowly but surely I'm getting the hang of 
itbut like..what you just described would have been for 
me?.a TOTAL re-installation of EVERYTHING!..I wonder if there's 
a "manual" with all the commands one might need? And then another 
question would be: Are the commands different dependent on the distro 
you use?...will the same commands work in Ubuntu.Fedora.Linux 
Mint..Mandriva etc? And I guess THIS is the reason a lot of people 
won't live Windowsbecause there's just TOO much information to 
absorbat times I almost feel like crawling back into my "Regedit" / 
"Task Manager" hole and staying there, but after being exposed to Linux 
I don't think I could EVER allow myself to fall back into that 
ignorant..close-minded state. S..If it means hours upon 
hours of studying Linux commands then so be it. Eventually I think I'm 
going to pursue a "cert" in Linux...nothing major just a general cert 
that can allow me to get my foot in the door,and in doing so I'm 
almost 100% certain that I'll need "terminal skills' in order to pass 
the exams



EGO II
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Re: Clams.....

[Roger]

This demonstrates one of the problems Linux generically suffers in the 
Desktop world. It demands too much knowledge of the internal part of the 
operating system.


Well, yes and no.
Rather it demands  sufficient knowledge to work on problems as they occur.
This was discussed many years ago and I have found that the knowledge 
and ability to get under the hood and fix things, by far outweighs the 
learning one must do to use/control ones computer.


In proprietary systems, the user, sheltered from everything, must rely 
on other more knowledgeable folk to fix or create endless varieties of 
apps to fix things for a fee.
In the nixes much can be generally fixed from the terminal, and the fee 
for this is learning and asking on list.


Let me give you an example of a potential catastrophe that happened to 
me on Saturday morning.
In Fedora 16 I run VirtualBox, In VBox I have xp and LinuxMint, Fedora 
17 will not install for me.
Anyway Linux Mint would not shut down, it locked, nothing would shut it 
off, so in a terminal I did ps aux |grep VirtualBox to find the process 
of VirtualBox and kill -9 processnumber to kill it. It would not kill.


I waited an hour in case the computer was processing something then I 
switched off the pc, tried a restart but errors galore during boot, 
faulty sectors and a whole lot of other faults.
The message at the end of the list of errors said  to continue 
or enter root password and run fsck to repair, I chose this option, 
logged in as root, fsck fixed everything and Fedora came up and operates 
perfectly.


Had this been exclusively GUI or a Windows machine it would have, for 
me, meant reformatting and reinstalling. Hours of misery, dozens of 
applications to reinstall and a dozen reboots.


If I could recommend anything in Linux it would be "Learn to use the 
terminal and text commands" They are tools of the trade.

Roger
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Re: Clams.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/08/2012 11:11 PM, Roger wrote:

Try gedit.

sudo gedit /etc/mfreshclam.conf
put a # in front of the word Example, a few lies fromt he top of the 
file, then  to save the file
Exit gedit and in the terminal type sudo freshclam and it will go and 
get the virus files.

Roger


Interestingly enough, I don't have "nano" OR "pico"when I try 
either of those I get a "Command not found" message.hmmm.



EGO II
OK, you should be able to do this from a GUI editor.  I opened KWrite 
and made my way to freshclam.conf.  I'm not sure how you would 
proceed if you need to be root to edit the file.
It just never occurred to me that you could edit a bash file using a 
GUI editor.  Someone will surely step in and tell me how to do it if 
you need to have root permission to edit the file.
In the meantime, try it without root, and see if it works.  Just put 
that # in front of Example on the eighth (?) line and save the file.  
(You may not have KWrite--it's a KDE file--but there

is certainly some simple editor available on your distro.)

--doug



Even using GEditwhen I go to "Save" the changes I make to the text 
document it's telling me I don't have permission to do it. How do you 
access a text file in graphical mode with the "root" credentials?



EGO II
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Re: Clams.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/08/2012 11:06 PM, Doug wrote:

On 09/08/2012 10:45 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 09/08/2012 10:14 PM, jdow wrote:
Um, yes, edit the configuration file. I generally speaking took the 
default
example configuration. These are the first few lines for MY machine 
which

is running Scientific Linux 6.3 which is a rebuild of redHat RHEL 6.3.

===8<---
##
## Example config file for freshclam
## Please read the freshclam.conf(5) manual before editing this file.
##


# Comment or remove the line below.
#Example

# Path to the database directory.
# WARNING: It must match clamd.conf's directive!
# Default: hardcoded (depends on installation options)
DatabaseDirectory /var/clamav
===8<---

This demonstrates one of the problems Linux generically suffers in the
Desktop world. It demands too much knowledge of the internal parts
of the operating system.

{^_^}

On 2012/09/08 18:49, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
So I've gone ahead and taken some recommendations of others here, 
but here's

what I get when I try to update my Clam virus definitions files...


ERROR: Please edit the example config file /etc/freshclam.conf
ERROR: Can't open/parse the config file /etc/freshclam.conf

Is there something I'm missing here?.shouldn't the application 
/ program I
just downloaded be the latest version? The GUI displays that the 
definitions are
"Out Of Date" but when I click on the "Check For Updates" option it 
goes through
the motions and tells me they're still outdated. Is there some kind 
of fix for

this?...

Fedora 17
Gateway T6321 Laptop
3GB Memory
160 GB HDD


Thanks!

EGO II
I finally installed nanobut it's still a no-go. Even after typing 
the command lines you've given, after I reach the "/etc" directory 
nothing happensthere's nothing to editnothing opens up. it's 
just the prompt again with the flashing cursor.I guess I'll just 
have to wait until Clam "grows up" a little more and learns how to 
install itself with a little more ease-of-use.for the 
"non-technical" users out there.(sigh!) Oh well thanks for all 
the tips and tricks y'all!!



EGO II
This doesn't make sense.  If you do a directory listing in /etc do you 
see freshclam.conf?  (To do a listing, type ls -la  make sure you have 
the space before the dash.)  Copy the entire line
that freshclam.conf appears on (highlght the line and press 
ctrl-shift-c) and paste it in here.


--doug

This is oddI KNOW the file is there because I've navigated to it 
using Nautilus and SEE it with my own eyesbut it WON'T show in a 
Terminal?...even AFTER I've entered the commands for listing files?


total 564
drwx--. 37 janus janus   4096 Sep  8 23:34 .
drwxr-xr-x.  4 root  root4096 Feb  3  2012 ..
drwx--.  3 janus janus   4096 Aug  4 20:46 .adobe
-rw---.  1 janus janus   1485 Sep  8 23:34 .bash_history
-rw-r--r--.  1 janus janus 18 Jun 22  2011 .bash_logout
-rw-r--r--.  1 janus janus193 Jun 22  2011 .bash_profile
-rw-r--r--.  1 janus janus124 Jun 22  2011 .bashrc
drwx--. 16 janus janus   4096 Sep  8 17:14 .cache
drwxrwxr-x.  6 janus janus   4096 Aug 26 00:35 .clamtk
drwx--. 29 janus janus   4096 Sep  8 18:52 .config
drwx--.  3 janus janus   4096 Aug  4 17:32 .dbus
drwxr-xr-x.  4 janus janus   4096 Aug  4 20:33 Desktop
drwx--.  8 janus janus   4096 Sep  8 22:33 Documents
drwx--.  7 janus janus   4096 Sep  8 21:40 Downloads
-rw---.  1 janus janus 16 Aug  4 17:32 .esd_auth
drwxrwxr-x.  2 janus root4096 Sep  8 17:14 FedoraUtils
drwxr-xr-x.  2 janus janus   4096 Aug 25 23:34 .fontconfig
drwx--.  3 janus janus   4096 Sep  8 17:23 .gconf
drwxr-xr-x. 24 janus janus   4096 Aug 27 20:55 .gimp-2.8
drwx--.  6 janus janus   4096 Sep  8 17:22 .gnome2
drwx--.  2 janus janus   4096 Aug  4 23:48 .gnome2_private
drwx--.  2 janus janus   4096 Aug 26 19:27 .gnupg
-rw-rw-r--.  1 janus janus   9928 Aug 24 19:43 Gospel Tunes.xspf
-rw-r--r--.  1 janus janus   3072 Aug  4 20:38 .grl-bookmarks
-rw-r--r--.  1 janus janus   2048 Aug  4 20:38 .grl-metadata-store
-rw-r--r--.  1 janus janus   4096 Aug  4 20:38 .grl-podcasts
drwxrwxr-x.  2 janus janus   4096 Sep  8 17:24 .gstreamer-0.10
-rw-rw-r--.  1 janus janus137 Sep  8 17:23 .gtk-bookmarks
drwx--.  2 janus janus   4096 Aug  4 17:32 .gvfs
-rw---.  1 janus janus  22010 Sep  8 17:23 .ICEauthority
-rw-r--r--.  1 janus janus   1856 Sep  8 17:23 .imsettings.log
drwxr-xr-x.  3 janus janus   4096 Aug  4 17:32 .local
drwx--.  3 janus janus   4096 Aug  4 20:46 .macromedia
drwx--.  3 janus janus   4096 Aug  4 17:32 .mission-control
drwxrwxr-x.  2 janus janus   4096 Aug  5 20:46 .monsterz
drwxr-xr-x.  5 janus janus   4096 Aug  4 17:35 .mozilla
drwx--.  4 janus janus  20480 Sep  8 12:23 Music
-rw-rw-r--.  1 janus janus 72 Aug 22 20:51 .ophcrackrc
drwx--.  6 janus janus   4096 Sep  6 23:56 Pictures
drwxrw.  3 janus janus   4096 Aug  4 20:12 .pki
drwxr-xr-x.  2 janus janus   4096 Sep  6 23:56 Public
drwx--.

Re: Clams.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/08/2012 11:06 PM, Doug wrote:

On 09/08/2012 10:45 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 09/08/2012 10:14 PM, jdow wrote:
Um, yes, edit the configuration file. I generally speaking took the 
default
example configuration. These are the first few lines for MY machine 
which

is running Scientific Linux 6.3 which is a rebuild of redHat RHEL 6.3.

===8<---
##
## Example config file for freshclam
## Please read the freshclam.conf(5) manual before editing this file.
##


# Comment or remove the line below.
#Example

# Path to the database directory.
# WARNING: It must match clamd.conf's directive!
# Default: hardcoded (depends on installation options)
DatabaseDirectory /var/clamav
===8<---

This demonstrates one of the problems Linux generically suffers in the
Desktop world. It demands too much knowledge of the internal parts
of the operating system.

{^_^}

On 2012/09/08 18:49, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
So I've gone ahead and taken some recommendations of others here, 
but here's

what I get when I try to update my Clam virus definitions files...


ERROR: Please edit the example config file /etc/freshclam.conf
ERROR: Can't open/parse the config file /etc/freshclam.conf

Is there something I'm missing here?.shouldn't the application 
/ program I
just downloaded be the latest version? The GUI displays that the 
definitions are
"Out Of Date" but when I click on the "Check For Updates" option it 
goes through
the motions and tells me they're still outdated. Is there some kind 
of fix for

this?...

Fedora 17
Gateway T6321 Laptop
3GB Memory
160 GB HDD


Thanks!

EGO II
I finally installed nanobut it's still a no-go. Even after typing 
the command lines you've given, after I reach the "/etc" directory 
nothing happensthere's nothing to editnothing opens up. it's 
just the prompt again with the flashing cursor.I guess I'll just 
have to wait until Clam "grows up" a little more and learns how to 
install itself with a little more ease-of-use.for the 
"non-technical" users out there.(sigh!) Oh well thanks for all 
the tips and tricks y'all!!



EGO II
This doesn't make sense.  If you do a directory listing in /etc do you 
see freshclam.conf?  (To do a listing, type ls -la  make sure you have 
the space before the dash.)  Copy the entire line
that freshclam.conf appears on (highlght the line and press 
ctrl-shift-c) and paste it in here.


--doug

Okay...I'll give this a shot too.will have something in a 
momentjust sit tight...



EGO II
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Re: Clams.....

[Roger]

Try  gedit.

sudo gedit /etc/mfreshclam.conf
put a # in front of the word Example, a few lies fromt he top of the 
file, then  to save the file
Exit gedit and in the terminal type sudo freshclam and it will go and 
get the virus files.

Roger


Interestingly enough, I don't have "nano" OR "pico"when I try 
either of those I get a "Command not found" message.hmmm.



EGO II
OK, you should be able to do this from a GUI editor.  I opened KWrite 
and made my way to freshclam.conf.  I'm not sure how you would proceed 
if you need to be root to edit the file.
It just never occurred to me that you could edit a bash file using a 
GUI editor.  Someone will surely step in and tell me how to do it if 
you need to have root permission to edit the file.
In the meantime, try it without root, and see if it works.  Just put 
that # in front of Example on the eighth (?) line and save the file.  
(You may not have KWrite--it's a KDE file--but there

is certainly some simple editor available on your distro.)

--doug



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Re: Clams.....

[Doug]

On 09/08/2012 10:45 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 09/08/2012 10:14 PM, jdow wrote:
Um, yes, edit the configuration file. I generally speaking took the 
default
example configuration. These are the first few lines for MY machine 
which

is running Scientific Linux 6.3 which is a rebuild of redHat RHEL 6.3.

===8<---
##
## Example config file for freshclam
## Please read the freshclam.conf(5) manual before editing this file.
##


# Comment or remove the line below.
#Example

# Path to the database directory.
# WARNING: It must match clamd.conf's directive!
# Default: hardcoded (depends on installation options)
DatabaseDirectory /var/clamav
===8<---

This demonstrates one of the problems Linux generically suffers in the
Desktop world. It demands too much knowledge of the internal parts
of the operating system.

{^_^}

On 2012/09/08 18:49, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
So I've gone ahead and taken some recommendations of others here, 
but here's

what I get when I try to update my Clam virus definitions files...


ERROR: Please edit the example config file /etc/freshclam.conf
ERROR: Can't open/parse the config file /etc/freshclam.conf

Is there something I'm missing here?.shouldn't the application / 
program I
just downloaded be the latest version? The GUI displays that the 
definitions are
"Out Of Date" but when I click on the "Check For Updates" option it 
goes through
the motions and tells me they're still outdated. Is there some kind 
of fix for

this?...

Fedora 17
Gateway T6321 Laptop
3GB Memory
160 GB HDD


Thanks!

EGO II
I finally installed nanobut it's still a no-go. Even after typing 
the command lines you've given, after I reach the "/etc" directory 
nothing happensthere's nothing to editnothing opens up. it's 
just the prompt again with the flashing cursor.I guess I'll just 
have to wait until Clam "grows up" a little more and learns how to 
install itself with a little more ease-of-use.for the 
"non-technical" users out there.(sigh!) Oh well thanks for all the 
tips and tricks y'all!!



EGO II
This doesn't make sense.  If you do a directory listing in /etc do you 
see freshclam.conf?  (To do a listing, type ls -la  make sure you have 
the space before the dash.)  Copy the entire line
that freshclam.conf appears on (highlght the line and press 
ctrl-shift-c) and paste it in here.


--doug

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Re: Clams.....

[Doug]

On 09/08/2012 10:37 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 09/08/2012 10:07 PM, Doug wrote:

On 09/08/2012 09:49 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
So I've gone ahead and taken some recommendations of others here, 
but here's what I get when I try to update my Clam virus definitions 
files...



ERROR: Please edit the example config file /etc/freshclam.conf
ERROR: Can't open/parse the config file /etc/freshclam.conf

Is there something I'm missing here?.shouldn't the application / 
program I just downloaded be the latest version? The GUI displays 
that the definitions are "Out Of Date" but when I click on the 
"Check For Updates" option it goes through the motions and tells me 
they're still outdated. Is there some kind of fix for this?...


Fedora 17
Gateway T6321 Laptop
3GB Memory
160 GB HDD


Thanks!

EGO II
Sorry about that!  Just one time, you have to edit freshclam.conf. 
And it's a snap. Open a terminal, become root. (Not sure if that's 
necessary, but if it is, you've done that.) Type cd /etc (return) *
Type nano freshclam.conf  (return). Right at the top, it tells you to 
comment out the line below.  Insert a # sign in front of the word 
Example.  Type Control-X, then Y.
(If you don't have nano, you probably have pico, which works about 
the same.)
* If your distro allows you to use sudo, then you can do cd /etc sudo 
nano freshclam.confand go on from there.

Still pretty simple.

--doug

Interestingly enough, I don't have "nano" OR "pico"when I try 
either of those I get a "Command not found" message.hmmm.



EGO II
OK, you should be able to do this from a GUI editor.  I opened KWrite 
and made my way to freshclam.conf.  I'm not sure how you would proceed 
if you need to be root to edit the file.
It just never occurred to me that you could edit a bash file using a GUI 
editor.  Someone will surely step in and tell me how to do it if you 
need to have root permission to edit the file.
In the meantime, try it without root, and see if it works.  Just put 
that # in front of Example on the eighth (?) line and save the file.  
(You may not have KWrite--it's a KDE file--but there

is certainly some simple editor available on your distro.)

--doug

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Re: Clams.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/08/2012 10:14 PM, jdow wrote:
Um, yes, edit the configuration file. I generally speaking took the 
default

example configuration. These are the first few lines for MY machine which
is running Scientific Linux 6.3 which is a rebuild of redHat RHEL 6.3.

===8<---
##
## Example config file for freshclam
## Please read the freshclam.conf(5) manual before editing this file.
##


# Comment or remove the line below.
#Example

# Path to the database directory.
# WARNING: It must match clamd.conf's directive!
# Default: hardcoded (depends on installation options)
DatabaseDirectory /var/clamav
===8<---

This demonstrates one of the problems Linux generically suffers in the
Desktop world. It demands too much knowledge of the internal parts
of the operating system.

{^_^}

On 2012/09/08 18:49, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
So I've gone ahead and taken some recommendations of others here, but 
here's

what I get when I try to update my Clam virus definitions files...


ERROR: Please edit the example config file /etc/freshclam.conf
ERROR: Can't open/parse the config file /etc/freshclam.conf

Is there something I'm missing here?.shouldn't the application / 
program I
just downloaded be the latest version? The GUI displays that the 
definitions are
"Out Of Date" but when I click on the "Check For Updates" option it 
goes through
the motions and tells me they're still outdated. Is there some kind 
of fix for

this?...

Fedora 17
Gateway T6321 Laptop
3GB Memory
160 GB HDD


Thanks!

EGO II
I finally installed nanobut it's still a no-go. Even after typing 
the command lines you've given, after I reach the "/etc" directory 
nothing happensthere's nothing to editnothing opens up. it's 
just the prompt again with the flashing cursor.I guess I'll just 
have to wait until Clam "grows up" a little more and learns how to 
install itself with a little more ease-of-use.for the 
"non-technical" users out there.(sigh!) Oh well thanks for all the 
tips and tricks y'all!!



EGO II
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Re: Clams.....

[Marvin Kosmal]

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
 wrote:
> On 09/08/2012 10:07 PM, Doug wrote:
>>
>> On 09/08/2012 09:49 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
>>>
>>> So I've gone ahead and taken some recommendations of others here, but
>>> here's what I get when I try to update my Clam virus definitions files...
>>>
>>>
>>> ERROR: Please edit the example config file /etc/freshclam.conf
>>> ERROR: Can't open/parse the config file /etc/freshclam.conf
>>>
>>> Is there something I'm missing here?.shouldn't the application /
>>> program I just downloaded be the latest version? The GUI displays that the
>>> definitions are "Out Of Date" but when I click on the "Check For Updates"
>>> option it goes through the motions and tells me they're still outdated. Is
>>> there some kind of fix for this?...
>>>
>>> Fedora 17
>>> Gateway T6321 Laptop
>>> 3GB Memory
>>> 160 GB HDD
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> EGO II
>>
>> Sorry about that!  Just one time, you have to edit freshclam.conf. And
>> it's a snap. Open a terminal, become root. (Not sure if that's necessary,
>> but if it is, you've done that.)  Type cd /etc (return) *
>> Type nano freshclam.conf  (return). Right at the top, it tells you to
>> comment out the line below.  Insert a # sign in front of the word Example.
>> Type Control-X, then Y.
>> (If you don't have nano, you probably have pico, which works about the
>> same.)
>> * If your distro allows you to use sudo, then you can do cd /etc sudo nano
>> freshclam.confand go on from there.
>> Still pretty simple.
>>
>> --doug
>>
> Interestingly enough, I don't have "nano" OR "pico"when I try either of
> those I get a "Command not found" message.hmmm.
>
>
> EGO II
>
> --


HI

I think you could actually use gedit!


Do you have that?

Should be in menu list..

YMMV

Marvin
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Re: Clams.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/08/2012 10:07 PM, Doug wrote:

On 09/08/2012 09:49 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
So I've gone ahead and taken some recommendations of others here, but 
here's what I get when I try to update my Clam virus definitions 
files...



ERROR: Please edit the example config file /etc/freshclam.conf
ERROR: Can't open/parse the config file /etc/freshclam.conf

Is there something I'm missing here?.shouldn't the application / 
program I just downloaded be the latest version? The GUI displays 
that the definitions are "Out Of Date" but when I click on the "Check 
For Updates" option it goes through the motions and tells me they're 
still outdated. Is there some kind of fix for this?...


Fedora 17
Gateway T6321 Laptop
3GB Memory
160 GB HDD


Thanks!

EGO II
Sorry about that!  Just one time, you have to edit freshclam.conf. And 
it's a snap. Open a terminal, become root. (Not sure if that's 
necessary, but if it is, you've done that.)  Type cd /etc (return) *
Type nano freshclam.conf  (return). Right at the top, it tells you to 
comment out the line below.  Insert a # sign in front of the word 
Example.  Type Control-X, then Y.
(If you don't have nano, you probably have pico, which works about the 
same.)
* If your distro allows you to use sudo, then you can do cd /etc sudo 
nano freshclam.confand go on from there.

Still pretty simple.

--doug

Interestingly enough, I don't have "nano" OR "pico"when I try either 
of those I get a "Command not found" message.hmmm.



EGO II
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Re: Clams.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/08/2012 10:01 PM, Larry wrote:

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On 09/08/2012 08:49 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

So I've gone ahead and taken some recommendations of others here, but
here's what I get when I try to update my Clam virus definitions files...


ERROR: Please edit the example config file /etc/freshclam.conf
ERROR: Can't open/parse the config file /etc/freshclam.conf

Is there something I'm missing here?.shouldn't the application /
program I just downloaded be the latest version? The GUI displays that
the definitions are "Out Of Date" but when I click on the "Check For
Updates" option it goes through the motions and tells me they're still
outdated. Is there some kind of fix for this?...



We would need more information such as how you installed this to be of
more help :)

A lot of applications do not provide a default configuration as they
believe it to be up to the admin to configure it.





- -- 



Larry Brower, CCNA

Fedora Ambassador - North America
Fedora Quality Assurance
lbro...@fedoraproject.org
http://www.fedoraproject.org/
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I had originally installed it using the "Add/Remove Software? function 
within Fedorathen I selected the "Run" option when it was 
donehmm.gonna look into this some more..



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Re: Clams.....

[jdow]

Um, yes, edit the configuration file. I generally speaking took the default
example configuration. These are the first few lines for MY machine which
is running Scientific Linux 6.3 which is a rebuild of redHat RHEL 6.3.

===8<---
##
## Example config file for freshclam
## Please read the freshclam.conf(5) manual before editing this file.
##


# Comment or remove the line below.
#Example

# Path to the database directory.
# WARNING: It must match clamd.conf's directive!
# Default: hardcoded (depends on installation options)
DatabaseDirectory /var/clamav
===8<---

This demonstrates one of the problems Linux generically suffers in the
Desktop world. It demands too much knowledge of the internal parts
of the operating system.

{^_^}

On 2012/09/08 18:49, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

So I've gone ahead and taken some recommendations of others here, but here's
what I get when I try to update my Clam virus definitions files...


ERROR: Please edit the example config file /etc/freshclam.conf
ERROR: Can't open/parse the config file /etc/freshclam.conf

Is there something I'm missing here?.shouldn't the application / program I
just downloaded be the latest version? The GUI displays that the definitions are
"Out Of Date" but when I click on the "Check For Updates" option it goes through
the motions and tells me they're still outdated. Is there some kind of fix for
this?...

Fedora 17
Gateway T6321 Laptop
3GB Memory
160 GB HDD


Thanks!

EGO II

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Re: Clams.....

[Doug]

On 09/08/2012 09:49 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
So I've gone ahead and taken some recommendations of others here, but 
here's what I get when I try to update my Clam virus definitions files...



ERROR: Please edit the example config file /etc/freshclam.conf
ERROR: Can't open/parse the config file /etc/freshclam.conf

Is there something I'm missing here?.shouldn't the application / 
program I just downloaded be the latest version? The GUI displays that 
the definitions are "Out Of Date" but when I click on the "Check For 
Updates" option it goes through the motions and tells me they're still 
outdated. Is there some kind of fix for this?...


Fedora 17
Gateway T6321 Laptop
3GB Memory
160 GB HDD


Thanks!

EGO II
Sorry about that!  Just one time, you have to edit freshclam.conf. And 
it's a snap. Open a terminal, become root. (Not sure if that's 
necessary, but if it is, you've done that.)  Type cd /etc (return) *
Type nano freshclam.conf  (return). Right at the top, it tells you to 
comment out the line below.  Insert a # sign in front of the word 
Example.  Type Control-X, then Y.
(If you don't have nano, you probably have pico, which works about the 
same.)
* If your distro allows you to use sudo, then you can do cd /etc sudo 
nano freshclam.confand go on from there.

Still pretty simple.

--doug

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Re: Clams.....

[Larry]

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On 09/08/2012 08:49 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> So I've gone ahead and taken some recommendations of others here, but
> here's what I get when I try to update my Clam virus definitions files...
> 
> 
> ERROR: Please edit the example config file /etc/freshclam.conf
> ERROR: Can't open/parse the config file /etc/freshclam.conf
> 
> Is there something I'm missing here?.shouldn't the application /
> program I just downloaded be the latest version? The GUI displays that
> the definitions are "Out Of Date" but when I click on the "Check For
> Updates" option it goes through the motions and tells me they're still
> outdated. Is there some kind of fix for this?...
> 


We would need more information such as how you installed this to be of
more help :)

A lot of applications do not provide a default configuration as they
believe it to be up to the admin to configure it.





- -- 


Larry Brower, CCNA

Fedora Ambassador - North America
Fedora Quality Assurance
lbro...@fedoraproject.org
http://www.fedoraproject.org/
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Re: Clams.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

So I've gone ahead and taken some recommendations of others here, but 
here's what I get when I try to update my Clam virus definitions files...



ERROR: Please edit the example config file /etc/freshclam.conf
ERROR: Can't open/parse the config file /etc/freshclam.conf

Is there something I'm missing here?.shouldn't the application / 
program I just downloaded be the latest version? The GUI displays that 
the definitions are "Out Of Date" but when I click on the "Check For 
Updates" option it goes through the motions and tells me they're still 
outdated. Is there some kind of fix for this?...


Fedora 17
Gateway T6321 Laptop
3GB Memory
160 GB HDD


Thanks!

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Re: Linux uncrackable...?

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/08/2012 09:24 PM, Doug wrote:

On 09/08/2012 08:36 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 20:19:42 -0400,
  "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr."  wrote:
So how would someone who's still a greenhorn to Linux protect their 
machine?...I refuse to install anything that's going to "charge" me 
for their product(call it a glitch in my mental processes, but 
if I'm going to use "Free Open Source Software" then it should be 
"free"...no?) I cannot get a handle on ClamAV, it's too complicated 
for me, but I haven't seen anything that's available for 
Linuxany advice?...
I don't see how ClamAV is difficult.  Before you use it, you open a 
terminal, become root user*, and type freshclam.  Then after it 
refreshes its database, you close the terminal, go to the GUI (ClamTK) 
and
select Scan. If you want to be thorough, then select recursive or home 
recursive and let it go.  Nothing simpler.


*In some distros, type su, return, and put in password, then type 
freshclam. In others, you can just type sudo freshclam, and put in 
your password.


--doug
Cool!...I guess I'll give it a try, but it seemed like it was too much 
for someone that doesn't have much experience with the 
terminal..thanks !!



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Re: Linux uncrackable...?

[Doug]

On 09/08/2012 08:36 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 20:19:42 -0400,
  "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr."  wrote:
So how would someone who's still a greenhorn to Linux protect their 
machine?...I refuse to install anything that's going to "charge" me 
for their product(call it a glitch in my mental processes, but if 
I'm going to use "Free Open Source Software" then it should be 
"free"...no?) I cannot get a handle on ClamAV, it's too complicated 
for me, but I haven't seen anything that's available for Linuxany 
advice?...
I don't see how ClamAV is difficult.  Before you use it, you open a 
terminal, become root user*, and type freshclam.  Then after it 
refreshes its database, you close the terminal, go to the GUI (ClamTK) and
select Scan. If you want to be thorough, then select recursive or home 
recursive and let it go.  Nothing simpler.


*In some distros, type su, return, and put in password, then type 
freshclam. In others, you can just type sudo freshclam, and put in your 
password.


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F17: power consumption on wired ethernet port

[fred smith]

I've just started messing around with powertop 2.1, and I notice something
that strikes me as decidedly ODD...

On my eeepc 901, powertop reports that network interface p33p1 consumes
in the range of 5.6 to 7.7 watts, depending on factors that aren't
obvious to me.

it doesn't seem to matter if there's a cable (and resulting working
network connection) or not.

The next highest consumption devices reported are the USB network dongle
at 1.19 watts and wireless network at 1.12 watts.

5.6 watts seems AWFULLY high...

Aanybody got any insight into this? thanks!

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Re: Linux uncrackable...?

[jdow]

On 2012/09/08 17:19, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 09/03/2012 12:35 AM, jdow wrote:

On 2012/09/02 20:25, JD wrote:


On 09/02/2012 08:56 PM, Tim wrote:

On Sun, 2012-09-02 at 09:46 -0700, jdow wrote:

My take away from this is that absolutely nothing except a totally
disconnected machine in an impenetrable safe is uncrackable, even
Fedora machines. Some form of "AV" tool is called for as well as
routine checks with the various system check utilities. Even that
won't prevent 100% of all attempts from succeeding. But it will
help.

Nothing is 100% bulletproof, there will always be some weakness.  The
current state of play is to try an make sure that /that/ weakness
isn't exposed, rather than eliminate all the weaknesses (which isn't
really possible).


Yet, is it not amazing that with so many capable hackers in the world
poring over the open source software like Linux, looking for these
weaknesses have not publicized major weaknesses that could cripple it -
at least I have not been jolted by such news in a long time. It seems
that the sheer size of the source code all of the free open source
software packages that comprise an installation would be a powerful
enough reason to make most such hackers to grow quickly weary of such
endeavor (to expose weaknesses).

Cheers,

JD


Guys, consider something for a moment. There are CERT advisories against
Linux (and most anything else) from time to time. Now, how were these
discovered? Was it experts pouring over the code, was it somebody got
cracked, discovered it, and reported it, or was it somebody noticed some
odd packets and analyzed the vulnerability they were designed to exploit?
Only one of those cases involves a Linux machine that was not cracked. The
rest mean a vulnerability has been found one way or another and
subsequently exploited or at least attempted in the wild.

Deploying more than a minimalist defense gives you a better chance of not
owning the first few systems that get exploited before the hole is plugged.
Even if the chances are one in a million you'll face an exploit there if
every person in Los Angeles owned a Linux machine that means several people
in Los Angeles would suffer a bad case of computer flu.

I have a "thing" about people who say you don't need an AV or other defense
with Linux, "It's safe." That's been a mantra of the know nothings for
nearly 20 years now. I've disagreed with it for nearly 20 years now. So
when this juxtaposition of an attempted exploit coupled with an
advertisement on the site from which the attack took place touting Fedora
it sort of amused me leading me to share my amusement with the list.

(And, as noted, passwords are the easiest hole to exploit on Linux if the
person leaves an SSH port "too open to the world." Thank heavens for my
iptables defensive trick. Only two people have figured out how they can get
more than one shot at logging into my system. And those I found before
they'd had even 100 tries. I locked out their entire domain with a hard
lock instead of the soft lockout that happens automatically. And I STILL
worry. I am paranoid, perhaps. "They" certainly are out to get me. But it's
not personal. They are out to get anybody they can.)

{^_^}

So how would someone who's still a greenhorn to Linux protect their
machine?...I refuse to install anything that's going to "charge" me for their
 product(call it a glitch in my mental processes, but if I'm going to use
 "Free Open Source Software" then it should be "free"...no?) I cannot get a
handle on ClamAV, it's too complicated for me, but I haven't seen anything
that's available for Linuxany advice?...


EGO II


rkhunter is one tool. chkrootkit is another. ClamAV is something that can
scan email and web browsing to catch threats that are not brand new.

Threats usually take enough time to spread that rapidly updating AV tools
like ClamAV can keep most people uninfected. The other two tools are
somewhat effective attempts to detect modifications to files or other
droppings that a rootkit or malware might leave lying around your system.
Their effective use depends on you keeping a good diary of changes you
make to your system.

{^_^}
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Re: Linux uncrackable...?

[jdow]

On 2012/09/08 17:44, Chuck Peters wrote:


On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Reindl Harald mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net>> wrote:


there is nothing new and nobody with a brain would say any
system is uncrackable


I thought Oracle called their version Unbreakable Linux and that it
is essentially a clone of RedHat.  Can we infer Oracle, or its marketing people,
don't have a brain?

Or perhaps Redhat would have a valuation of 20B+ instead of 11.42B if
Unbreakable Linux didn't exist?


Chuck


If it is as unbreakable as their Java tool I'd just off hand suggest they
were exaggerating just a wee whole potload.

{o.o}

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Re: Linux uncrackable...?

[Chuck Peters]

On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

>
> there is nothing new and nobody with a brain would say any
> system is uncrackable
>

I thought Oracle called their version Unbreakable Linux and that it
is essentially a clone of RedHat.  Can we infer Oracle, or its marketing
people, don't have a brain?

Or perhaps Redhat would have a valuation of 20B+ instead of 11.42B if
Unbreakable Linux didn't exist?


Chuck
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Adding fonts

[jonetsu]

Hello,

  I'd like to know now to add fonts so that LibreOffice and Gimp can
use them.  For instance, I have downloaded a HGRSKP.TTF file which is a
Japanese font.  What is the procedure to make available that font in
the system ?  Also, some fonts are .exe files.  Are these also
installable in Fedora ? 

Thanks !
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Re: Linux uncrackable...?

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 20:19:42 -0400,
  "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr."  wrote:
So how would someone who's still a greenhorn to Linux protect their 
machine?...I refuse to install anything that's going to "charge" me 
for their product(call it a glitch in my mental processes, but if 
I'm going to use "Free Open Source Software" then it should be 
"free"...no?) I cannot get a handle on ClamAV, it's too complicated 
for me, but I haven't seen anything that's available for Linuxany 
advice?...


Don't run untrusted code be careful with untrusted data. The main attacks 
will be from web pages and unsolicited email. Turning off javascript and 
disabling most plugins in your web browser will help. Having you mail reader 
just process text/plain parts by default will also help. You can manually 
run a pdf viewer or the like if you feel that an attachment is most likely 
not hostile.


In the short run, most run of the mill malware is going to be targeting 
Windows binaries, so your risks are pretty low.


Anti-virus is a poor solution to the problem. It doesn't scale well. Checking 
for bad code / data, instead of good code / data is not the way to solve 
the problem.

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Re: Linux uncrackable...?

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/03/2012 12:35 AM, jdow wrote:

On 2012/09/02 20:25, JD wrote:


On 09/02/2012 08:56 PM, Tim wrote:

On Sun, 2012-09-02 at 09:46 -0700, jdow wrote:

My take away from this is that absolutely nothing except a totally
disconnected machine in an impenetrable safe is uncrackable, even
Fedora machines. Some form of "AV" tool is called for as well as
routine checks with the various system check utilities. Even that
won't prevent 100% of all attempts from succeeding. But it will help.

Nothing is 100% bulletproof, there will always be some weakness.  The
current state of play is to try an make sure that /that/ weakness isn't
exposed, rather than eliminate all the weaknesses (which isn't really
possible).


Yet, is it not amazing that with so many capable hackers
in the world poring over the open source software like Linux,
looking for these weaknesses have not publicized major
weaknesses that could cripple it - at least I have not been
jolted by such news in a long time.
It seems that the sheer size of the source code all of the free
open source software packages that comprise an installation
would be a powerful enough reason to make most such hackers
to grow quickly weary of such endeavor (to expose weaknesses).

Cheers,

JD


Guys, consider something for a moment. There are CERT advisories against
Linux (and most anything else) from time to time. Now, how were these
discovered? Was it experts pouring over the code, was it somebody got
cracked, discovered it, and reported it, or was it somebody noticed some
odd packets and analyzed the vulnerability they were designed to exploit?
Only one of those cases involves a Linux machine that was not cracked.
The rest mean a vulnerability has been found one way or another and
subsequently exploited or at least attempted in the wild.

Deploying more than a minimalist defense gives you a better chance of
not owning the first few systems that get exploited before the hole is
plugged. Even if the chances are one in a million you'll face an exploit
there if every person in Los Angeles owned a Linux machine that means
several people in Los Angeles would suffer a bad case of computer flu.

I have a "thing" about people who say you don't need an AV or other
defense with Linux, "It's safe." That's been a mantra of the know
nothings for nearly 20 years now. I've disagreed with it for nearly 20
years now. So when this juxtaposition of an attempted exploit coupled
with an advertisement on the site from which the attack took place
touting Fedora it sort of amused me leading me to share my amusement
with the list.

(And, as noted, passwords are the easiest hole to exploit on Linux if
the person leaves an SSH port "too open to the world." Thank heavens
for my iptables defensive trick. Only two people have figured out how
they can get more than one shot at logging into my system. And those I
found before they'd had even 100 tries. I locked out their entire
domain with a hard lock instead of the soft lockout that happens
automatically. And I STILL worry. I am paranoid, perhaps. "They"
certainly are out to get me. But it's not personal. They are out
to get anybody they can.)

{^_^}
So how would someone who's still a greenhorn to Linux protect their 
machine?...I refuse to install anything that's going to "charge" me for 
their product(call it a glitch in my mental processes, but if I'm 
going to use "Free Open Source Software" then it should be "free"...no?) 
I cannot get a handle on ClamAV, it's too complicated for me, but I 
haven't seen anything that's available for Linuxany advice?...



EGO II

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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/02/2012 10:59 PM, Tim wrote:

On Sun, 2012-09-02 at 11:03 -0500, inode0 wrote:

Since this entire conversation is about if and how to change the
process beginning with Fedora 19 there is no answer to your question
until a new process is agreed to or the effort is abandoned, neither
of which has happened yet.

Leaving one approach, in the meantime:  Lots more people suggesting
better names, and more people voting for them.  Rather than leaving the
naming process up to other people, who might pick names you don't like.

I agree! As long as there remains an interest in the naming convention, 
then the general public can still have a say in this!



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f16 logout error

[jackson byers]

a recent attempt at logout from f16$ uname -a
Linux f16a9.pacbell.net 3.4.9-2.fc16.i686.PAE #1 SMP Thu Aug 23
18:41:34 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

via the logout button on "Applications menu"

gave the following error

 logout error
 failed to receive a reply from the seesion manager
Session manager must be in idle state when requesting a shutdown

Multiple attempts same error.

I was forced to:
 # shutdown -r now

I was able to reboot and login again.

Any advice?
Jack
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Re: f16, no response to commands "grub" or "grub2"

[jackson byers]

Michael Schwendt  responded

>> Seems you're missing the grub2-tools package for some useful tools,
>> such as grub2-install and grub2-mkconfig.

>Oh, wait, with Fedora 16 the tools are in the main "grub2" package,
>so you just need to read up on how to use them.

I have done some reading on both
grub2-install , grub2-mkconfig


what I was trying to do was just a bit
of exploring grub2
 with a "grub command line interface"
(I may not have the nomenclature correct)

as in f14 grub1
just entering
"grub" and  a  carriage return
spits back
"grub >"


which I cannot do in my f16.
with either
 "grub"
or
"grub2"

Is this just not possible with grub2?

Or perhaps intended only for rescue tools
such as a knoppix live cd?

Jack
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Re: Fedora NTFS-3G happily writes files with invalid chars in filename?

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/01/2012 10:41 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM, John Wendel  wrote:

Actually, '?' is not "an invalid character" in a Linux filename. Only "/"
and the NULL character (0) are invalid in filenames.

Regards,

John

Well, it´d be akin to writing FAT with filenames that later can´t be
read from other OSs.

I mean... if you write on a foreign filesystem, it´d be nice to
enforce the restrictions of the OS where that filesystem originated.
One of the reasons people format drives with NTFS on Linux is
obviously for data interchange with
Windows machines...

At least a "strict compliance" mode should be offered, with the same
filename limtis as in windows and a "linux only" mode in any case
without ´em.

Just my $0.02 of course...
FC
That's actually a good idea! It would actually benefit both communities 
if there was a standardization script let's say.or an app that would 
allow you to name things whatever you wanted to in Linux but then would 
"translate" that into something that Windows could understand..but I 
guess there's not really much of a demand for something like that since 
either camp are set in their ways?...LoL!

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Re: Fedora NTFS-3G happily writes files with invalid chars in filename?

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/01/2012 03:55 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

See if you can find a LiveCD that includes emacs.

Thanks for the help and suggestion. I´m sure I´ll end up fixing this
on Monday when I return and have access to the drive from my F17 Linux
machine.

Right now, I´m stuck with a XPSP3 netbook for the weekend.

The idea of my post, however, was to raise a red flag about files with
invalid names being happily written by Linux NTFS-3G... (the files
ORIGINATED on the F17 box, as I plugged the NTFS external drive there,
and copied a bunch of files using Midnight commander to it, which are
now the files that are giving me trouble).

That is to say, I wrote no files to that drive from XP, always from Fedora 17.
The only time I did some writing on that external drive from windows
was for formatting it NTFS, at the time I purchased it.

FC
While I too have a Windows machine at work, I find that file creation / 
manipulation / administration is SO much easier in the Linux world than 
Windows.I try to adhere to the common standards that are known in 
both circles...(e.g. no question marks, or other "illegal" characters 
that might get hung up in the Microsoft world!) then when I have to 
transfer files or folders from one to the other the transfers go 
smoothly and seamlessly with no glitches, because as technology marches 
on, hard disk drives keep increasing in sizeand while I don't mind 
administering a 320 GB drive,having to do even a 1TB drive on a 
Saturday could become an all day event!...



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Re: Failure to acquire IP over DHCP

[Joe Zeff]

On 09/08/2012 02:46 PM, jdow wrote:

Joe and Carroll, he said he was not in a position to perform a search.
So I shall show the courtesy to provide him with at least the most basic
knowledge quoting Wikipiddle.


That's why I gave him the url, so he could read up on it at his convenience.
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Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 09/01/2012 08:17 AM, Lailah wrote:


El dom, 19-08-2012 a las 12:42 -0400, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. escribió:


I would love just "Bernhardt", as in "Verne".  Just the name, 
without any other word.



/Cheers/
*/Lailah/*

I think that's a great idea! "Bernhardt".version 
F19?F20?LoL! Don't know if it's too late to submit it for F18



EGO II



For Fedora 18 is too late but I think we are on time for Fedora 19.  
Where and when we can make our proposals for F19 name release?



/Regards,/
*/Lailah/*



I think there's a link somewhere on the homepage for Fedora?not too 
sure, but I'll be searching high and low for it, as I would LOVE to have 
had SOME "involvement" in the next version of Fedora"The Greatest OS 
On Earth"...LoL!



EGO II
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Finding Toner Level

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

Is there any way to find the amount of toner remaining in a Brother
HL-1440 printer?  The amount of drum use?  Other than using a Windows
driver.  There are counters in the printer that measure usage, but I
can't find out how to access them.  Direct communication with the
printer via the console is OK.

Thanks - jon

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Re: Failure to acquire IP over DHCP

[jdow]

On 2012/09/08 13:53, Carroll Grigsby wrote:

On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 16:31:23 -0400
"Eddie G. O'Connor Jr."  wrote:


big snip



Ok.so I know this is going to sound stupid, but I'm currently
unavailable to do a "search"whatexactly IS CERN?a
school?.a military outfit?some kind of society?just
curious...


EGO II


I'll bet that Google will spill the beans on CERN, but you have to ask.

A word of advice: Don't ever think about screwing with CERN. They don't
send black helicopters, they send black holes.

--cmg


"but I'm currently unavailable to do a "search""

Joe and Carroll, he said he was not in a position to perform a search.
So I shall show the courtesy to provide him with at least the most basic
knowledge quoting Wikipiddle.

"The European Organization for Nuclear Research (French: Organisation
européenne pour la recherche nucléaire), known as CERN or Cern is an
international organization whose purpose is to operate the world's
largest particle physics laboratory. Established in 1954, the organization
is based in the northwest suburbs of Geneva on the Franco–Swiss border,
(46°14′3″N 6°3′19″E) and has 20 European member states."

{^_^}

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Re: update my fedora computers from my own server.

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/31/2012 06:15 AM, Edward M wrote:

On 08/31/2012 02:47 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:

I update all my Fedora boxes from the one location.
No server as such. Just a shared /var/cache/yum on an NAS.
I also use keepcache=1,, and tidy-cache.
So I can "yum downgrade if necessary"


Hello Frank,


   Thanks for the advice. this sounds very interesting will be trying 
this out:-)
I'm also going to give this a shot! I have an old Dell that could use a 
new lease on life!



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Re: Failure to acquire IP over DHCP

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 16:31:23 -0400
"Eddie G. O'Connor Jr."  wrote:

>>> big snip

> Ok.so I know this is going to sound stupid, but I'm currently 
> unavailable to do a "search"whatexactly IS CERN?a 
> school?.a military outfit?some kind of society?just
> curious...
> 
> 
> EGO II

I'll bet that Google will spill the beans on CERN, but you have to ask.

A word of advice: Don't ever think about screwing with CERN. They don't
send black helicopters, they send black holes.

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Re: Failure to acquire IP over DHCP

[Joe Zeff]

On 09/08/2012 01:31 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

Ok.so I know this is going to sound stupid, but I'm currently
unavailable to do a "search"whatexactly IS CERN?a
school?.a military outfit?some kind of society?just curious...


All it took me was putting CERN into the Wikipedia search bar in Firefox 
to find this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN

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Re: Icon themes

[Lailah]

Oh!  I see...  Well, I'd never find any difference between Fedora Icon
Theme and Oxygen Icon Theme.  May be you can try downloading other icon
theme and installing it.  See if that works.  If not, it is a bug.



Have a nice day
Lailah

PD:  You can download icons, theme, and other stuff from  kde-look.org 


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Re: Failure to acquire IP over DHCP

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/30/2012 03:47 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 09:19:11PM +0200, Marko Vojinovic wrote:

On Thursday, 30. August 2012. 14.27.48 Mark Haney wrote:

On 08/30/2012 01:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 08/30/2012 10:39 AM, Mark Haney wrote:

I may be a bit thick here, but I see no reference to the OP having any
relation to CERN minus the public IP subnet the DHCP client is
requesting an IP from.

It's not obvious, but a little checking will show that CERN owns
137.138.x.y.

That much I got, but that may just be a config error on the laptop
rather than an association with CERN.  I mean, they are public DHCP
addresses.  So unless he works for them, or what have you, that won't
work.

I'm not flaming, I'm just trying to make a point that he may not be
involved with CERN, so why should that matter?

Suvayu Ali is a particle physicist at the NIKHEF National Institute for
Subatomic Physics in Amsterdam, Netherlands. He is working in a group for
Marcel Merk, collaborating on the LHCb detector experiments which are going on
now at the LHC collider in CERN. It is quite often that collaborators from
various institutions around the world come to CERN every now and then. So did
I several years back. :-)


All that information only a web search away :).  Yes, I am employed by
Nikhef, and I am based at CERN at the moment.

Ok.so I know this is going to sound stupid, but I'm currently 
unavailable to do a "search"whatexactly IS CERN?a 
school?.a military outfit?some kind of society?just curious...



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Re: How to revert to Thunderbird 14? Thunderbird 15 breaks an add-on

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/30/2012 03:25 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 08/30/2012 12:01 PM, Don Levey wrote:

Because they do it*after*  installation. Why not do it before
installation instead?  I'm not talking about random extensions that are
created off in some backwater corner of the internet.  I'm talking about
extensions registered with the Mozilla project, downloaded and installed
from there.


Do you have even the slightest idea how much work your idea would take 
for each and every update?  How much of your Copious Free Time are you 
willing to donate?
I was always under the impression that there was a "Team" of coders / 
developers whom worked night & day on the various parts of an 
application / distro / extension!?Is this NOT the case!?.



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Re: How to revert to Thunderbird 14? Thunderbird 15 breaks an add-on

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/30/2012 02:45 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 08/30/2012 11:29 AM, Don Levey wrote:

On 8/30/2012 11:10, Nate Pearlstein wrote:

Hi,

So thunderbird 15 breaks the Exchange 2007/2010 Calendar and Tasks
Provider 1.8.5 add on.  There isn't a newer version of the add-on 
available.



Wouldn't it be nice if the installation routine checked for add-on
incompatibilities *before* it actually installed the new version?
  -Don



No.  Given the choice, I'd rather have an updated/upgraded version of 
Thunderbird, especially if there are important security patches, 
because I can't think of an add-on that's more important than that.  
Be glad that Thunderbird does check after an update and lets you know 
what, if any of your add-ons aren't compatible.
In all my years using Thunderbird (since version 10!)  it's always 
checked my add-ons, and the things that got removed due to being 
incompatibleI consider trade-offs for more functionality, security, 
and all around usability. I guess sometimes you can't have your cake and 
eat it too!



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Re: Upgrading from F16 to F17 fails

[Richard Breen]

Hi I asked a question here yesterday and most have done it in he wrong 
place. Now I am getting LOTS of questions. I am a beginner and I don't 
have a clue as to whats going on with Fedora. will try again to get in 
there and get me out of this mess.

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Re: Upgrading from F16 to F17 fails

[Heinz Diehl]

On 08.09.2012, JD wrote: 

> The pain is in remembering all the apps for which conf files were
> modified. To address that, inserting a comment like
> # this is a modified conf file

Whenever I change a config, I keep a copy of the same file with the
ending .OWN in the same location. Now, a single filesearch on all 
files which end on .OWN will do it. Has been working for me in many years.

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Re: Upgrading from F16 to F17 fails

[Andy Blanchard]

On 7 September 2012 23:28, JD  wrote:

> I wonder about /etc, because that's where so much conf is kept.
> But it is small enough to simply back it up to an external partition.
> The pain is in remembering all the apps for which conf files were
> modified. To address that, inserting a comment like
> # this is a modified conf file

into the conf file helps one to search for all conf files that were
> customized, and bring them back.
> Problem arises when new config vars are introduced in the newer
> release of the app, in which case one must integrate those as well.
>
> It just seems there is no automagical way to do upgrades :)
>

Trying to keep /etc/ while doing a clean install seems like a recipe for
problems to me.  In theory it should be OK and would probably work most of
the time, but it's fairly likely that when it doesn't the resultant
problems could be "interesting"...

Generally, there are only a few applications that I find I want to restore
the /etc/ configs for anyway, and the rest are easiest to setup on the fly
or are unchanged from the defaults.  If the version is unchanged, or only a
point release, then restoring the config file/directory and restarting has
always been good enough for me.  Major updates I generally read up on the
changes first so I have an idea of what I'm dealling with, then either
start with a diff of the config files and merge the new/changed settings in
or start over.

I think the last upgrade I did (F15 to F16) took me about 2 hours from
inserting the DVD to being back up and running with all configurations
restored, so not a major headache.  Not as slick as a typical Windows or
OSX upgrade though, so there's definitely some room for improvement here.

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Re: Upgrading from F16 to F17 fails

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 16:05:00 -0600,
  JD  wrote:


I will wait for fc18 in the hopes it will do a better job of 
upgrading from 16 to 18.
The yum route, due to the time it takes to download everything, and 
the tenuous
nature of the electric service and the network provider's 
"instability", seems to

cause me other issues.


16 to 18 is still going to have the file system layout change. It is likely 
to go even less smooth doing a two release jump instead of just one.


You can use the DVD is a repo when doing a yum upgrade and save on the 
downloading.


If you don't have a lot of custom config, you will probably be better off 
doing a fresh install (after backing up /home) than an update.

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Re: Upgrading from F16 to F17 fails

[JD]

On 09/08/2012 11:46 AM, Andy Blanchard wrote:
On 8 September 2012 18:38, Heinz Diehl > wrote:



Upgrading F16 to F17 from DVD is one f*cking mess. Seriously.
Backup your data and do a fresh install. It will save you a lot of
time and hairpull.


Better yet, when you do the re-install set up some disk partitions so 
you can segregate the binaries from the data.  A separate /usr/ is a 
bit problematic at the moment, but it's worthwhile creating dedicated 
partitions for /home/ and /var/ - especially if you have website data, 
etc. in the case of the latter.


Once you've done that, you can nuke all the other partitions and 
re-install from scratch every time with the only pain being that you 
need to restore your configs.  Unless there are major version changes 
between release, that's usually just a case of restoring your old 
config file and restarting the daemon, although occasionally you are 
better starting over from scratch.


Backing up everything before the re-install is still advisable though.

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Currently, on my system, the only external drive partitions used to contain
parts of fedora are /var and /usr/src . /var partition is a mount point,
but /usr/src is a symlink within /usr (on root) pointing to the src dir 
in some

external partition.

I wonder about /etc, because that's where so much conf is kept.
But it is small enough to simply back it up to an external partition.
The pain is in remembering all the apps for which conf files were
modified. To address that, inserting a comment like
# this is a modified conf file

into the conf file helps one to search for all conf files that were
customized, and bring them back.
Problem arises when new config vars are introduced in the newer
release of the app, in which case one must integrate those as well.

It just seems there is no automagical way to do upgrades :)


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Re: Upgrading from F16 to F17 fails

[Andy Blanchard]

On 8 September 2012 18:38, Heinz Diehl  wrote:

>
> Upgrading F16 to F17 from DVD is one f*cking mess. Seriously.
> Backup your data and do a fresh install. It will save you a lot of
> time and hairpull.
>

Better yet, when you do the re-install set up some disk partitions so you
can segregate the binaries from the data.  A separate /usr/ is a bit
problematic at the moment, but it's worthwhile creating dedicated
partitions for /home/ and /var/ - especially if you have website data, etc.
in the case of the latter.

Once you've done that, you can nuke all the other partitions and re-install
from scratch every time with the only pain being that you need to restore
your configs.  Unless there are major version changes between release,
that's usually just a case of restoring your old config file and restarting
the daemon, although occasionally you are better starting over from scratch.

Backing up everything before the re-install is still advisable though.

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Re: Upgrading from F16 to F17 fails

[Heinz Diehl]

On 08.09.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: 

> not all users have plain setups where you can easily
> do a fresh install, this works not well if you have
> customiized many configurations of many services

> and that is why a distribution with a new release
> each month should be much carefuller in context of
> upgrades than fedora does

In this case, you maybe should consider using a rolling distribution
as e.g. Arch..






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Re: Upgrading from F16 to F17 fails

[JD]

On 09/08/2012 11:36 AM, Alan Cox wrote:

The Fedora DVD upgrade is not very good to put it politely and gets
steadily worse release by release. The installer is pretty robust, but
the update stuff not so.

A better bet is to make a backup and then carefully read the instructions
on updating via yum. Follow all the steps listed in order. 16 to 17 is
the most complicated one of the lot because of the changes to the file
system layout.

The yum update isn't "supported" but works far better than the DVD one.
Given the state of the updater it's not clear what "supported" means in
that context anyway 8(

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum

Alan


Thank you Alan.
I will wait for fc18 in the hopes it will do a better job of upgrading 
from 16 to 18.
The yum route, due to the time it takes to download everything, and the 
tenuous
nature of the electric service and the network provider's "instability", 
seems to

cause me other issues.

Cheers,

JD
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Re: Upgrading from F16 to F17 fails

[Heinz Diehl]

On 08.09.2012, JD wrote: 

> It fails after it displays that the installed fedora 16 will be upgraded,
> and I click next.
[]

Upgrading F16 to F17 from DVD is one f*cking mess. Seriously.
Backup your data and do a fresh install. It will save you a lot of
time and hairpull.

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Re: Upgrading from F16 to F17 fails

[Alan Cox]

The Fedora DVD upgrade is not very good to put it politely and gets
steadily worse release by release. The installer is pretty robust, but
the update stuff not so.

A better bet is to make a backup and then carefully read the instructions
on updating via yum. Follow all the steps listed in order. 16 to 17 is
the most complicated one of the lot because of the changes to the file
system layout.

The yum update isn't "supported" but works far better than the DVD one.
Given the state of the updater it's not clear what "supported" means in
that context anyway 8(

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum

Alan
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Re: Accessing fedora on LAN by hostname

[Aaron Konstam]

On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 00:43 -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 08:34:10 +0200
> Lukáš Šembera wrote:
> 
> > on my home LAN network, there are 2 fedora computers. The problem is that
> > I'm unable to access one from the another by hostname. So, for example,
> > when I'm mounting a NFS share, I've to use the IP address. The same issue
> > is with ping, ssh, etc. What do I need to configure to make resolving by
> > hostname on LAN work? Thank you very much.
> 
> man hosts
> 
> An example is included.
> 
I made a mistake.. the file is /etc/hosts not /etc/resolv.conf.

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Re: Accessing fedora on LAN by hostname

[Aaron Konstam]

On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 08:34 +0200, Lukáš Šembera wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> on my home LAN network, there are 2 fedora computers. The problem is
> that I'm unable to access one from the another by hostname. So, for
> example, when I'm mounting a NFS share, I've to use the IP address.
> The same issue is with ping, ssh, etc. What do I need to configure to
> make resolving by hostname on LAN work? Thank you very much.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> Lukáš Šembera

Have you gotten your /etc/resolv.conf properly configured. That is the
file that translates a host name to an ip address.
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Re: Accessing fedora on LAN by hostname

[Martin Airs]

On Saturday 08 Sep 2012 08:34:10 Lukáš Šembera wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> on my home LAN network, there are 2 fedora computers. The problem is that
> I'm unable to access one from the another by hostname. So, for example,
> when I'm mounting a NFS share, I've to use the IP address. The same issue
> is with ping, ssh, etc. What do I need to configure to make resolving by
> hostname on LAN work? Thank you very much.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Lukáš Šembera

The avahi-daemon should provide local network name resolution, for example my
pc is desktop.localdomain and my laptop is laptop.localdomain, on each I can
simply ping desktop.local or laptop.local

basically its just the first part followed by .local

my hostname could be foo.example and I would ping foo.local from another
machine on my network

hope that helps

Martin

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Re: Accessing fedora on LAN by hostname

[Jack Craig]

do a man on nslookup or dig for query, see /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf,
/etc/nsswtich.conf.
touch those bases and see what happens...

good luck

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Lukáš Šembera wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> on my home LAN network, there are 2 fedora computers. The problem is that
> I'm unable to access one from the another by hostname. So, for example,
> when I'm mounting a NFS share, I've to use the IP address. The same issue
> is with ping, ssh, etc. What do I need to configure to make resolving by
> hostname on LAN work? Thank you very much.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Lukáš Šembera
>
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Re: how to make thunderbird use utf-8?

[Ed Greshko]

On 09/08/2012 07:17 PM, Tim wrote:
> It may well be that unless you write a post that uses UTF-8 encoding,
> Thunderbird will use the lowest common denominator.  Lots of mail
> clients behave that way.
>
> e.g.  No matter what charset you set as your preferred default, if your
> message is contained within the US-ASCII repertoire, then it'll be sent
> as US-ASCII.  And if you include some characters beyond it, it may use
> an intermediate charset, if using UTF-8 isn't essential.

No, it doesn't.

If you have mailnews.send_default_charset set to UTF-8 it will send it in UTF-8 
regardless.  Just check the header of this message.

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Re: how to make thunderbird use utf-8?

[Tim]

On Fri, 2012-09-07 at 14:10 -0700, Mike Wright wrote:
> Whenever I send an email using Thunderbird the following header is 
> always included:
>  
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>  
> How do I change it to charset=UTF-8?

It may well be that unless you write a post that uses UTF-8 encoding,
Thunderbird will use the lowest common denominator.  Lots of mail
clients behave that way.

e.g.  No matter what charset you set as your preferred default, if your
message is contained within the US-ASCII repertoire, then it'll be sent
as US-ASCII.  And if you include some characters beyond it, it may use
an intermediate charset, if using UTF-8 isn't essential.

> I think that header causes Latin-Extended to show up as blobs with a ?
> inside; here's one: ¢  Should be a US cent sign.

I saw a cent sign.

The other thing to consider is how you're testing it.  Are you looking
at the saved sent posts, or at a mail that has gone out through a server
and come back again?  A server may transcode a message as it goes
through it.

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Re: Accessing fedora on LAN by hostname

[Tim]

On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 09:20 +0200, Lukáš Šembera wrote:
> Ok, so since I don't want to have static records in /etc/hosts, it is
> necessary to configure the bind daemon somehow? I want to be able to
> resolve hosts by their HOSTNAME value in /etc/sysconfig/network.

If you're using dynamic address allocation, what is that doles them out?
Another computer, a router?  On *it* would, probably, be the best place
to configure name and IP address associations.

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Re: mysqldump on Fedora 16 slightly OT

[NOSpaze]

On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 15:53 +1000, Roger wrote:
> I got this command line from Google
> mysql mydb1 -u user -p password -e 'select tables like 
> "field_data_field%"'| xargs | mysqldump -u user -p password d7x 

I can't see the "select tables" command exists, although "tables" is a
table with all the tables list. Anyway, you can try something like this:

$ for table in $(mysql mydb1 -Bse 'show tables'); do mysqldump mydb1 
$table>$table.sql; done

or using xargs,

$ mysql mydb1 -Bse 'show tables'|xargs -I TAB mysqldump mydb1 TAB -r TAB.sql

which produce both the same result.

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Re: Accessing fedora on LAN by hostname

[Lukáš Šembera]

Ok, so since I don't want to have static records in /etc/hosts, it is
necessary to configure the bind daemon somehow? I want to be able to
resolve hosts by their HOSTNAME value in /etc/sysconfig/network.



Best regards,


Lukáš Šembera

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Frank Cox  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 08:34:10 +0200
> Lukáš Šembera wrote:
>
> > on my home LAN network, there are 2 fedora computers. The problem is that
> > I'm unable to access one from the another by hostname. So, for example,
> > when I'm mounting a NFS share, I've to use the IP address. The same issue
> > is with ping, ssh, etc. What do I need to configure to make resolving by
> > hostname on LAN work? Thank you very much.
>
> man hosts
>
> An example is included.
>
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