Re: systemd bug response delay [was "...shutdown/reboot problems"]

[Heinz Diehl]

On 27.10.2012, Matthew Miller wrote: 

> > Neither Fedora nor sysyemd-people really care, so expect to be on your
> > own.

> This isn't true. I'm a Fedora person, and I care very much. And, I know that
> I'm one of many.

I know. I was unreflective and wrote this statement as a
generalization, which it shouldn't have been. Sorry for that!

> It's a fact that some bug reports and offers of help are
> left hanging, and obviously that's not good. We need to do better in this
> area.

It's quite clear to me that there are lots of problems, much more than
people can (re)solve. My point here is that people actually have seen
the reports and requested more information, which implies that they work on
it. And then, all is dead. A simple "we have no time" or "we can't
help you" would be suffice in such cases.



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Re: F17: Connection of a Kindle Fire HD

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/27/2012 10:36 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Kindle readers work fine, but the Fires series are tablets and may not
connect as a USB drive. Some recent Android phones can only connect as
MTP devices, and are still not well supported under Linux. See recent
discussion on this list or Google for "linux mtp".


One of these days, RSN, I'm going to have to find out how well my Nook 
connects to Linux.

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Re: F17: Connection of a Kindle Fire HD

[Greg Woods]

On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 09:48 +0200, antonio montagnani wrote:
> Just got a Kindle Fire HD (brand new in my country): when I connect to 
> my Fedora 17 nothing happens:
> 
> I get from lsusb:
> Bus 002 Device 006: ID 1949:0007 Lab126
> 
> but I don't see any USB drive connected.
> 
> Any help???


You can use "calibre" to move books and documents on and off the tablet,
and to keep all your books/docs in a library on the Linux machine.
That's what I do with mine.

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Re: systemd shutdown/reboot problems

[Ian Chapman]

On 28/10/12 03:36, Heinz Diehl wrote:


I have encountered similar problems with systemd, see e.g.
here for the latest one which is present a long time:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=857406

Neither Fedora nor sysyemd-people really care, so expect to be on your
own.


Yeah I've just lived with it so far, every now and then seeing if I can 
fix it. Luckily as it's a server I don't need to take it down all that 
often but I loathe having to do it. Unfortunately raising bugs is a bit 
hit and miss.



How do I about starting to diagnose these problems with
systemd?


http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging#Diagnosing_Shutdown_Problems


Thanks for that link, there's a few things in there worth looking at. 
I'll see if I can get any additional information with it. I almost wish 
there was a fay to force systemd to start & stop services serialized as 
half the battle seems to be not knowing what systemd is actually doing 
at any point in time because of its parallel nature.


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Re: Dual boot with Windows question

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 27 October 2012, David sent:
> Windows 7 is quite capable of duel booting
   
Freudian slip?  ;-)  But seems appropriate.

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Failed Displaying jpg or png pictures in kde

[Jim]

F17 /KDE-4.9.2-1

I did a fresh install from F10 to F17 ,but I kept the old User directory 
in the /home partition.


I did delete the old .kde /user/directory from the F10 install.

I can view most of the jpg or png pictures in /home/user directory, but 
there is a number of jpg or png that I can't view, I get this error message:


"Failed Loading Meta information, failed"

This problem is all over a Google search ,but no solutions on correcting 
the problem.

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Re: no audio on kernel-3.6.1-1.fc17.x86_64

[Gordon Messmer]

On 10/13/2012 01:44 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote:

After updating a Lenovo T430S to kernel-3.6.1-1.fc17.x86_64, the system
doesn't generate sound.


I've determined that the cause was power management.  I configured the 
system with all of powertop's suggested power management settings, 
including the following, at boot:


echo '1' > '/sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save';

After disabling that setting, audio hasn't presented any problems.

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Re: Dual boot with Windows question

[David]

On 10/27/2012 4:47 PM, Alex wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 4:08 PM, David  wrote:
>> On 10/27/2012 3:58 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
>>> On 10/27/2012 03:54 PM, Alex wrote:
 Hi, I'd like to install Windows 7 and fc17 on my laptop that has two
 disks. I'd like to use one disk for Windows and one for Linux.

 Should I just install Windows first, then Linux?

 How do I replace the Windows boot loader with grub and still be able
 to boot Windows?
> 
>>>
>>> Install Windows first.  Then install Linux.  If you try to do it the
>>> other way around Windows will wipe the boot loader.  Windows has no
>>> concept of dual booting.
>>>
>>> Install Windows on what it sees as the C:/ drive.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Your advice is partially correct Alex.
>>
>> For the 'average user' it is easier to install Windows first and Linux
>> second. The duel booting is easier to setup.
>>
>> However Windows 7 is quite capable of duel booting, or multi booting,
> 
> So the fedora installer will manage the existing Windows install and
> just add it to the grub boot menu?
> 
> Sounds like it's gotten much easier since the early lilo days.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
> 


Supposed to.  :-)

A 'how-to' link



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Re: Dual boot with Windows question

[Alex]

Hi,

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 4:08 PM, David  wrote:
> On 10/27/2012 3:58 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
>> On 10/27/2012 03:54 PM, Alex wrote:
>>> Hi, I'd like to install Windows 7 and fc17 on my laptop that has two
>>> disks. I'd like to use one disk for Windows and one for Linux.
>>>
>>> Should I just install Windows first, then Linux?
>>>
>>> How do I replace the Windows boot loader with grub and still be able
>>> to boot Windows?

>>
>> Install Windows first.  Then install Linux.  If you try to do it the
>> other way around Windows will wipe the boot loader.  Windows has no
>> concept of dual booting.
>>
>> Install Windows on what it sees as the C:/ drive.
>>
>
>
> Your advice is partially correct Alex.
>
> For the 'average user' it is easier to install Windows first and Linux
> second. The duel booting is easier to setup.
>
> However Windows 7 is quite capable of duel booting, or multi booting,

So the fedora installer will manage the existing Windows install and
just add it to the grub boot menu?

Sounds like it's gotten much easier since the early lilo days.

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: Dual boot with Windows question

[David]

On 10/27/2012 3:58 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
> On 10/27/2012 03:54 PM, Alex wrote:
>> Hi, I'd like to install Windows 7 and fc17 on my laptop that has two
>> disks. I'd like to use one disk for Windows and one for Linux.
>>
>> Should I just install Windows first, then Linux?
>>
>> How do I replace the Windows boot loader with grub and still be able
>> to boot Windows?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
> 
> Hey Alex,
> 
> Install Windows first.  Then install Linux.  If you try to do it the
> other way around Windows will wipe the boot loader.  Windows has no
> concept of dual booting.
> 
> Install Windows on what it sees as the C:/ drive.
> 


Your advice is partially correct Alex.

For the 'average user' it is easier to install Windows first and Linux
second. The duel booting is easier to setup.

However Windows 7 is quite capable of duel booting, or multi booting,

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systemd bug response delay [was "...shutdown/reboot problems"]

[Matthew Miller]

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 09:36:20PM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> I have encountered similar problems with systemd, see e.g.
> here for the latest one which is present a long time:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=857406
> Neither Fedora nor sysyemd-people really care, so expect to be on your
> own.

This isn't true. I'm a Fedora person, and I care very much. And, I know that
I'm one of many. It's a fact that some bug reports and offers of help are
left hanging, and obviously that's not good. We need to do better in this
area.



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Re: Dual boot with Windows question

[Mark LaPierre]

On 10/27/2012 03:54 PM, Alex wrote:

Hi, I'd like to install Windows 7 and fc17 on my laptop that has two
disks. I'd like to use one disk for Windows and one for Linux.

Should I just install Windows first, then Linux?

How do I replace the Windows boot loader with grub and still be able
to boot Windows?

Thanks,
Alex


Hey Alex,

Install Windows first.  Then install Linux.  If you try to do it the 
other way around Windows will wipe the boot loader.  Windows has no 
concept of dual booting.


Install Windows on what it sees as the C:/ drive.

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Dual boot with Windows question

[Alex]

Hi, I'd like to install Windows 7 and fc17 on my laptop that has two
disks. I'd like to use one disk for Windows and one for Linux.

Should I just install Windows first, then Linux?

How do I replace the Windows boot loader with grub and still be able
to boot Windows?

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: systemd shutdown/reboot problems

[Heinz Diehl]

On 27.10.2012, Ian Chapman wrote: 

> I have a home server which runs F17 and for a long time now it just doesn't
> reboot or shutdown cleanly. I've had the same issue since it was running F16
> and possibly F15. When the server shuts down, I get spurious messages about
> some services failing or a dependency was not met for the shutdown target,
> or sometimes a black screen with a line which just says "Adding Swap target"
> (really, on a shutdown?).

I have encountered similar problems with systemd, see e.g.
here for the latest one which is present a long time:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=857406

Neither Fedora nor sysyemd-people really care, so expect to be on your
own.

> How do I about starting to diagnose these problems with
> systemd?

http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging#Diagnosing_Shutdown_Problems

> Given that the system is left in a state where I can't do anything
> with it. The usual places such as /var/log/messages doesn't turn up anything
> useful. Maybe because syslog has already been stopped by then.

Do the diagnostics from the link above and open a bugreport. Maybe you
are more lucky than I have been. In the meantime, I switched all my
machines to Archlinux, there's just one Fedora machine left (which
will go soon). Most of the showstoppers were systemd ones, where the 
developers/maintainers didn't care.

"Didn't care" translates in my case *not* to "they do not provide the
help and fixes I'm expecting" (it's free software, after all). It
translates to "I don't even get an answer"", despite that I offered 
full support to debug the case.

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Re: F17: Connection of a Kindle Fire HD

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 09:48 +0200, antonio montagnani wrote:
> Just got a Kindle Fire HD (brand new in my country): when I connect to 
> my Fedora 17 nothing happens:
> 
> I get from lsusb:
> Bus 002 Device 006: ID 1949:0007 Lab126
> 
> but I don't see any USB drive connected.

Kindle readers work fine, but the Fires series are tablets and may not
connect as a USB drive. Some recent Android phones can only connect as
MTP devices, and are still not well supported under Linux. See recent
discussion on this list or Google for "linux mtp".

poc

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systemd shutdown/reboot problems

[Ian Chapman]

Hi,

I have a home server which runs F17 and for a long time now it just 
doesn't reboot or shutdown cleanly. I've had the same issue since it was 
running F16 and possibly F15. When the server shuts down, I get spurious 
messages about some services failing or a dependency was not met for the 
shutdown target, or sometimes a black screen with a line which just says 
"Adding Swap target" (really, on a shutdown?). The output seems to vary 
every time, sometimes wildy different but the end result is often the 
same, having to hit the reset button. How do I about starting to 
diagnose these problems with systemd? Given that the system is left in a 
state where I can't do anything with it. The usual places such as 
/var/log/messages doesn't turn up anything useful. Maybe because syslog 
has already been stopped by then.


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Chinese written character input support?

[Chris Smart]

Installed Fedora 17 on a laptop and trying to get Chinese input working
for a user who doesn't know pinyin (therefore he needs to write the
characters using mouse/tablet).

I've tried WritRecogn and while it recognises characters, doesn't input
them anywhere (like into Firefox).

I've installed cellwriter but can't get past training mode after drawing
all the characters.

I've installed tomoe but can't find a way actually use it. There used to
be scim-tomoe package (presumably for scim support) but it no-longer
exists since F12.

So is it possible or am I trying in vain?

Thanks,
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Re: wireshark under KDE?

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/27/2012 05:54 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I'm running Fedora-17/KDE on my laptop,
> and am trying to run wireshark.
> I've yum-installed wireshark, wireshark-gnome and wireshark-devel.
>
> When I run wireshark (as root) it gets as far as
> "Registering Python dissectors"
> and then crashes:
> 
> [root@rose tim]# wireshark
> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
> 
>
> Any advice or suggestions gratefully received.
>

Reference https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=870507

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wireshark under KDE?

[Timothy Murphy]

I'm running Fedora-17/KDE on my laptop,
and am trying to run wireshark.
I've yum-installed wireshark, wireshark-gnome and wireshark-devel.

When I run wireshark (as root) it gets as far as
"Registering Python dissectors"
and then crashes:

[root@rose tim]# wireshark
Segmentation fault (core dumped)


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Re: F17: Connection of a Kindle Fire HD

[antonio montagnani]

antonio montagnani ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 
27/10/2012 09:48:

Bus 002 Device 006: ID 1949:0007 Lab126


from Dsmesg:

[  357.211162] usb 2-5: new high-speed USB device number 6 using ehci_hcd
[  357.331839] usb 2-5: New USB device found, idVendor=1949, idProduct=0007
[  357.331848] usb 2-5: New USB device strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, 
SerialNumber=4

[  357.331855] usb 2-5: Product: Kindle
[  357.331861] usb 2-5: Manufacturer: Amazon
[  357.331868] usb 2-5: SerialNumber: D059A0A024150L3G
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F17: Connection of a Kindle Fire HD

[antonio montagnani]

Just got a Kindle Fire HD (brand new in my country): when I connect to 
my Fedora 17 nothing happens:


I get from lsusb:
Bus 002 Device 006: ID 1949:0007 Lab126

but I don't see any USB drive connected.

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