There was an error installing the bootloader. The system may not be bootable
I was installing fresh copy of fedora 17. I used /dev/sda, where the windows 7 exists, as bootloader drive. At the end of the installation of packages, error is coming "There was an error installing the bootloader. The system may not be bootable" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17: Connection of a Kindle Fire HD
On Mon, 2012-10-29 at 09:12 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:52:35 -0430 > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > For a moment there I thought this could be the solution for connecting > > my Galaxy Nexus phone (given that it can also work as an ereader), but > > it was not to be: > > > > OpenFailed: Failed to open MTPDevice(busnum=1, devnum=12, > > vendor_id=1256, product_id=26716, bcd=534, > > serial=u'01498A4C09018014', manufacturer=u'samsung', product=u'Galaxy > > Nexus'): Error: Unable to open raw device. > > > > Too bad. > > Sounds like a ConsoleKit/systemd-logind permissions issue. > > How are you logging in and what desktop env are you using? I'm logging in under my normal user account. My desktop is KDE. Using the same hardware, same user, same DE, I can mount the phone using mtpfs, which works more often than not (but sometimes doesn't and then does after retrying). So it wouldn't seem to be a permissions issue. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fixing a crashed disk
On 10/29/2012 01:32 PM, Dave Ihnat wrote: and just what the firmware should do with a full read failure of a previously unsuspected bad sector, I'm sure, has been the subject of design meetings at the various disk manufacturers. They show up in the "Current pending sector" count in the SMART report, and are not an unusual occurrence at all. -- Bob Nichols "NOSPAM" is really part of my email address. Do NOT delete it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: bc and built-in funcs
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 7:35 PM, JD wrote: > Hi all > I have: > > $ rpm -q bc > bc-1.06.95-3.fc15.i686 > > I was searching the web for bc funs to calculate cube roots > and other arbitrary roots. Almost all of the func I found > assume that bc has the built-in funcs l and e which take > a numeric arg. > > Yet my bc has no such funcs. > > Is the version above broken? Try running "bc -l" and see if you have them then. John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: bc and built-in funcs
Nevermind. Forgot the -l to include the math lib in the script. On 10/21/2012 06:35 PM, JD wrote: Hi all I have: $ rpm -q bc bc-1.06.95-3.fc15.i686 I was searching the web for bc funs to calculate cube roots and other arbitrary roots. Almost all of the func I found assume that bc has the built-in funcs l and e which take a numeric arg. Yet my bc has no such funcs. Is the version above broken? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
bc and built-in funcs
Hi all I have: $ rpm -q bc bc-1.06.95-3.fc15.i686 I was searching the web for bc funs to calculate cube roots and other arbitrary roots. Almost all of the func I found assume that bc has the built-in funcs l and e which take a numeric arg. Yet my bc has no such funcs. Is the version above broken? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora hangs driving me nuts, in Windows it works without problems!
On 10/29/2012 02:47 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Monday, 29. October 2012. 15.32.26 valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the time I work through the day whthout hangs and leave PC running, but when I return the next day I see that monitor won't turn back on, but still hdd light blinks from time to time This likely means that the machine is alive, and only graphics has died. Try to ssh in from another machine. Look at /var/log/messages, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, dmesg, xrandr, while the machine is in this state. Also, if dpms is the culprit, do "xset -dpms" to turn it off, and then see if the problem persists. Turn the monitor on and off manually, since dpms will not be active to do it for you. HTH, :-) Marko I wonder if it couls also mean that the screen saver (If it is being employed) is not being woken up by keyboard or mouse events. Just something to check if screensaver is being used. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora hangs driving me nuts, in Windows it works without problems!
On Monday, 29. October 2012. 15.32.26 valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: > Most of the time I work through the day whthout hangs and leave PC > running, but when I return the next day I see that monitor won't turn > back on, but still hdd light blinks from time to time This likely means that the machine is alive, and only graphics has died. Try to ssh in from another machine. Look at /var/log/messages, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, dmesg, xrandr, while the machine is in this state. Also, if dpms is the culprit, do "xset -dpms" to turn it off, and then see if the problem persists. Turn the monitor on and off manually, since dpms will not be active to do it for you. HTH, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fixing a crashed disk
Once, long ago--actually, on Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:59:44PM CDT--Robert Nichols (rnicholsnos...@comcast.net) said: > A sector that is unreadable even after retries CANNOT be remapped until it > is written, and any attempts to read it MUST return an I/O error until > that remapping has occurred. On a full failure, yes. The firmware should, however, detect sectors that are failing and remap them on an ongoing basis. You wouldn't get notifications about those, and they should be far more frequent than undetected full read failures. > If the drive were to go ahead and immediately remap that unreadable > sector, what data would you suggest that it return when the sector > is read? All-zeros with no indication of error is NOT acceptable. Of course not, and just what the firmware should do with a full read failure of a previously unsuspected bad sector, I'm sure, has been the subject of design meetings at the various disk manufacturers. My suspicion is that such a full failure would have to be exempt from automatic remapping, resulting in reported failures before all of the available spare sectors are allocated. I would, however, expect such a condition to be either a rare occurance--due to physical damage/shock, unexpected power failure, etc.--making it a class of general "one-off" events, or part of an increasing cascade of detected predictive failures resulting in automatic remapping in the case of a failing disk. And I suspect we've gotten much more deeply into the topic than I expect most of the list cares about. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: No Music or Movies Play in F17 - Missing Gstreamer?....
My solution is completely empirical -- having had it work a few times in the past. Whenever I have had problems with codecs and such, I install mplayer and ffmpeg and all the files yum drags in with it. That seems to fix the problem about 90% of the time... billo On Mon, 29 Oct 2012, Vikram Goyal wrote: On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: I have a Gateway T-6321 that I recently had to re-install Fedora Linux v17 on. I've put just about everything that was on there from before (Totem, Clementine...Thunderbird etc.) but when I try to play movies in Totem or music in Clementine I get errors such as: Clementine: - "Your GStreamer installation is missing a plugin." Totem: - "A program requires additional plugins to decode this file: The following plugins are required: H.264 decoder MPEG-4 AAC decoder Do you want to search for these now? My problem is when it searches for these it tells me they're already installed? What is the solution for this kind of error? is there a file I need? or a missing piece of this puzzle? Try installing these. You may have to install repository files for rpmfusion which you can easily get from the net from their site. lame-mp3x gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras gstreamer-plugins-ugly mpg123 mpg123-plugins-extras mpg123-plugins-jackmpg123-plugins-pulseaudio mpg321 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras gstreamer-plugins-fc gstreamer-ffmpeg gstreamer-plugins-ugly gstreamer-plugins-bad-free gstreamer-plug ins-bad gstreamer-plugins-bad-nonfree gstreamer-plugins-good gstreamer-plugins-entrans Some of the packs mentioned may already be installed. Yum will simply skip them. Some I may have posted more than once, so excuse that. These are meta packs which pull in lots of decoders, plugins etc. DVDAuthorWizard DVDRipOMatic You can also install these packs for multimedia. mozilla-vlc vlc-plugin-jack vlc-extras vlc ffmpeg2dirac ffmpeg2theora dirac mp3gain libtunepimp-extras-freeworld Install flash-plugin from adobe. Some packs may be redundant but they are small & also don't hurt anyone. HTH -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fixing a crashed disk
On 10/29/2012 11:30 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: However, the firmware will do remapping of sectors _it_ determines are failing, and the probability is that if you are seeing errors consistently, it's because it can't remap. A sector that is unreadable even after retries CANNOT be remapped until it is written, and any attempts to read it MUST return an I/O error until that remapping has occurred. If the drive were to go ahead and immediately remap that unreadable sector, what data would you suggest that it return when the sector is read? All-zeros with no indication of error is NOT acceptable. -- Bob Nichols "NOSPAM" is really part of my email address. Do NOT delete it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
ABRT didn't detect segfaults of usb_modeswitch
Hi, Running updates-testing I noticed once my usb modem didn't work - caused by usb_mdoeswitch segfaulting 3 times in a row: Oct 29 18:37:27 localhost kernel: [ 23.740625] usb_modeswitch_[1374]: segfault at 7fff0251aff8 ip 00300087f434 sp 7fff0251b000 error 6 in libc-2.15.so[300080+1ac000] Oct 29 18:38:07 localhost kernel: [ 64.128201] usb_modeswitch_[1515]: segfault at 7fffd8b8ae74 ip 003000874b06 sp 7fffd8b8ae60 error 6 in libc-2.15.so[300080+1ac000] Oct 29 18:38:29 localhost kernel: [ 86.373114] usb_modeswitch_[1685]: segfault at 7fff7eb4eff8 ip 0030008ed629 sp 7fff7eb4f000 error 6 in libc-2.15.so[300080+1ac000] ABRT didn't detect those crashes. Is this due to a technical issue? Is there any way to get the name of the function where usb_modeswitch crashed in the above cases, so I can at least file a bug-report? Thanks, Clemens -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fixing a crashed disk
Once, long ago--actually, on Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 08:57:12AM CDT--Alan Cox (a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) said: > Completely wrong. With all due respect, no it isn't. It was simplistic, because I didn't want to go into an entire tutorial on the mailing list. Go read about P-lists, G-lists, and about the variation in how SMART information is generated and used. This is generally because there was no industry-wide agreement on exactly what should be reported, and how, for SMART, as well as some proprietary protectionism from drive manuafacturers. > You see a bad sector on some devices after a sudden power fail because > the sector was partially written when the power failed. It's not bad in > any permanent sense it's just got incomplete data on it so cannot be read > back properly until rewritten. Some devices, and some drivers. It depends on how the driver interpreted the failure, how it was reported by that disk and that controller, etc. This particular scenario comprises a vanishingly small number of the total number of errors a drive encounters in its life. > Similarly btw any case where a sector reports as "bad" on a read does not > mean you've used up all the spare sectors or anything of the sort, it > means you've got a sector which failed to read. Report of a single bad read depends very much on the driver. Most driver authors will try to re-read a failed sector in the driver (no, I haven't gone to look at the current Linux drivers. I was writing drivers for Unix a long, long time ago, however, and we wouldn't report a bad read until something like three internal retries.) However, the firmware will do remapping of sectors _it_ determines are failing, and the probability is that if you are seeing errors consistently, it's because it can't remap. > Some drives also (quite validly) report the number of sectors that were > failed during the production of the device, which completely throws most > of the rather weak drive reporting stuff software. Not at all valid. There are two lists in the drive--the P-list, which contains sectors remapped during drive production, and the G-list, which contains remaps instantiated by the drive firmware. IF the firmware reports remapped sectors from both lists, it should most assuredly segregate them. Granted, it's quite possible the author(s) of drive reporting software have conflated or misinterpreted the data. > What really matters is whether the drive itself thinks on its smart test > whether it is likely to be failing not some joke heuristic. *Shrug*. The actual number of sectors in the G-list isn't a joke heuristic. Whether or not you can get that out of the firmware is vendor-specific. The bottom line is that there _is_ firmware in the drive that attempts to prevent sectors going bad from being used by preemtively remapping to spare sectors, and this will, in general, mean that you won't know about them until and unless you look at the stats on sector remapping. Whether you, as an administrator, go out to try to find that, or the driver proactively does it, or whatever, by the time you're getting real, persistent and increasing numbers of errors visible at the OS interface, you've probably been having problems internally for a while. It's not worth it today to go to excessive lengths to repair a disk reporting errors. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Bugzilla - Modeset - Kernel 3.4 to 3.6 upgrade no longer boots
Good afternoon, I have been running my laptop on various versions of FC without a problem and am currently on FC16 running Gnome 3 in full mode. Recently the FC16 Kernel was updated from 3.4.11 to 3.6.2 and my laptop (Dell Latitude D610 ) would no longer boot - although I could go back to any 3.4 kernel and it booted ok and worked under Gnome 3. There were no messages on the failed 3.6.x boot - the screen just went blank. After a bit of delving it seemed that a similar problem had been reported in relation to Plymouth and modesetting. Following that track lead me to 'Bug 845745 - kernel version 3.5.0-2 hangs at boot with modesetting: "conflicting fb hw usage radeondrmfb vs VESA VGA - removing generic driver" ' on Fedora Bugzilla. I did try the 'nomodeset', and that does allow a boot under 3.6.2, but then Gnome 3 goes into fallback mode. Does anyone know if this will be fixed under FC16, or is this a generic Kernel fix that will appear across all releases that use that kernel? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora hangs driving me nuts, in Windows it works without problems!
I am not familiar with the features of Sandy Bridge architecture, but there might be a couple of things you could try. If the system runs throughout the day and you are experiencing the problem at night, are there any services you can disable or adjust to see if you can isolate the cause and maybe keep the system up and running? 1. Power Management - Have you played with the power management features to see if one of these might be causing the issue? 2. Does the BIOS invoke separate power management that F17 is unaware of? If so, can these be disabled? 3. In conjunction with power management, are there any night time maintenance functions enabled that might be impacted by power management, which manifests in the manner you are seeing? On Mon, 2012-10-29 at 15:32 +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: > >> 2. Problems with the video drivers. Since you did run the memory test, > >> this > >> is the most probable. What graphics card does your system have? > > > > > > I'd bet on the drivers. I have Core i5-2500k (no additional graphics card, > > just the integrated Intel HD 3000) in my home computer and used to > > experience freezes, too. The freezes were often preceded with screen flicker > > and decrease in video performance. Now in Fedora 18 it's all right again for > > a while now - at the moment, the uptime is nearly 6 days. > > But please don't take this very seriously, I didn't investigate it at all. > > Perhaps there already is a report for this... > > I have same CPU (i5-2500k) and same GPU (Sandybridge Intel HD3000), I > looked on bugzilla but couldn't find any open bugs that are related, > if anybody knows of one please share the linl. > > Most of the time I work through the day whthout hangs and leave PC > running, but when I return the next day I see that monitor won't turn > back on, but still hdd light blinks from time to time, then I know I > need to do power-cycle to get my PC to work again. > When I investigate the log there is nothing there, but I'll post full > logs, and I just see that logging stopped during the night... > > Few times (much less often) Fedora hangs while I'm working, but that > happened only a few times. > > How can I troubleshoot intel driver further? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora hangs driving me nuts, in Windows it works without problems!
valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: > How can I troubleshoot intel driver further? Can you try to SSH into the box when it becomes non-responsive? It could be that your box is stuck in DPMS off mode and the video card won't wake up. The rest of the machine could be running normally and allow you to SSH in to see log files that could help you form a bug report. A workaround, if this is the case, could be to use the Gnome Shell presentation extension[1] to disable the screen saver. You could manually power off your monitors when you leave work. [1] # yum install gnome-shell-extension-presentation-mode -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fax to email gateway
Once, long ago--actually, on Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:18:28AM CDT--Gary Stainburn (gary.stainb...@ringways.co.uk) said: > I'm looking to create a fax gateway, either fax to email or fax > to program. I've googled this but everything I've looked at it at > least 5 years old. I was wondering what people are using these days > and what's good now. I've been using HylaFax with good results for years. It's still in active development (last release was 6/5/12). (In fact, I just built up a HylaFax server using a Raspberry Pi with Raspbian--talk about minimalist!) It forwards faxes to E-Mail, can include as attachments or point to an FTP server on the LAN, can auto-print, etc. For the workstation clients we've been using JHylaFAX. It hasn't been changed since 4/18/09, but remember this is a pretty mature environment. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora hangs driving me nuts, in Windows it works without problems!
On Mon, 2012-10-29 at 12:01 +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: > > I don't use windows However, I recently had a series of hangs on my > > F17 box that I could not explain. Although I fixed the problem before > > installing the lm_sensors package I would recommend installing it and > > checking your CPU temps. > > > > Neither do I, just use them as troubleshooting tool ;) > > > My problem was "fixed" by removing a buildup of cat fur from the CPU > > heat-sink. I'm sure lm_sensors would have revealed to me a temperature > > problem. :-) > > I track temperature, it is not an issue because fans are clean and > temp doesn't exceed 45°C > > My best guess it is an driver issue. System is Sandybridge based, CPU > is i5-2500 and gpu is Intel Sandybridge. > Because screen goes off I'm starting to think that it could be i915 > driver fault maybe? Is anybody else having issues like these and has > i915 driver with Sandybridge gpu? > Could it be this? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=850573 -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fax to email gateway
Hi folks. I'm looking to create a fax gateway, either fax to email or fax to program. I've googled this but everything I've looked at it at least 5 years old. I was wondering what people are using these days and what's good now. Gary -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fixing a crashed disk
Alan Cox writes: > What really matters is whether the drive itself thinks on its smart test > whether it is likely to be failing not some joke heuristic. And even then, if the 5-year old Google numbers are still valid, you have a 1/3 chance of being surprised. "The Google team found that 36% of the failed drives did not exhibit a single SMART-monitored failure. They concluded that SMART data is almost useless for predicting the failure of a single drive." ref: http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/19/googles-disk-failure-experience/ -wolfgang -- g+: https://plus.google.com/114566345864337108516/about -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17: Connection of a Kindle Fire HD
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:52:35 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > For a moment there I thought this could be the solution for connecting > my Galaxy Nexus phone (given that it can also work as an ereader), but > it was not to be: > > OpenFailed: Failed to open MTPDevice(busnum=1, devnum=12, > vendor_id=1256, product_id=26716, bcd=534, > serial=u'01498A4C09018014', manufacturer=u'samsung', product=u'Galaxy > Nexus'): Error: Unable to open raw device. > > Too bad. Sounds like a ConsoleKit/systemd-logind permissions issue. How are you logging in and what desktop env are you using? kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora hangs driving me nuts, in Windows it works without problems!
On Mon, 2012-10-29 at 15:32 +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: > >> > Few times (much less often) Fedora hangs while I'm working, but that > happened only a few times. > > How can I troubleshoot intel driver further? Any chance of putting in a different video card and see if it still freezes up? -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Best little town on Earth!" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora hangs driving me nuts, in Windows it works without problems!
>> 2. Problems with the video drivers. Since you did run the memory test, >> this >> is the most probable. What graphics card does your system have? > > > I'd bet on the drivers. I have Core i5-2500k (no additional graphics card, > just the integrated Intel HD 3000) in my home computer and used to > experience freezes, too. The freezes were often preceded with screen flicker > and decrease in video performance. Now in Fedora 18 it's all right again for > a while now - at the moment, the uptime is nearly 6 days. > But please don't take this very seriously, I didn't investigate it at all. > Perhaps there already is a report for this... I have same CPU (i5-2500k) and same GPU (Sandybridge Intel HD3000), I looked on bugzilla but couldn't find any open bugs that are related, if anybody knows of one please share the linl. Most of the time I work through the day whthout hangs and leave PC running, but when I return the next day I see that monitor won't turn back on, but still hdd light blinks from time to time, then I know I need to do power-cycle to get my PC to work again. When I investigate the log there is nothing there, but I'll post full logs, and I just see that logging stopped during the night... Few times (much less often) Fedora hangs while I'm working, but that happened only a few times. How can I troubleshoot intel driver further? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora hangs driving me nuts, in Windows it works without problems!
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:59:27 +0100 Matthew Miller wrote: 2. Problems with the video drivers. Since you did run the memory test, this is the most probable. What graphics card does your system have? I'd bet on the drivers. I have Core i5-2500k (no additional graphics card, just the integrated Intel HD 3000) in my home computer and used to experience freezes, too. The freezes were often preceded with screen flicker and decrease in video performance. Now in Fedora 18 it's all right again for a while now - at the moment, the uptime is nearly 6 days. But please don't take this very seriously, I didn't investigate it at all. Perhaps there already is a report for this... 3. BIOS bugs which make the cooling not work properly in Linux. This sometimes happens in laptops but I've never heard of it on a desktop system. Cooling is fine in my case. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0
>> On 10/16/2012 07:52 AM, David wrote: >>> I find it odd that moderators feel the need to have to apologize to >>> someone that complains about being moderated that violated the rules on >>> a fairly open list badly enough to be moderated. > On 10/16/2012 1:43 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> Actually, they were apologizing to the entire list because they weren't >> doing their job in a prompt and timely manner. On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:27 PM, David wrote: > Really? I did not need one. I did not *need* one, but have to agree with Reindl here. If moderators decide to moderate someone, they should moderate well and keep messages arriving timely. That does not mean I think they did this on purpose, far from it. Yet, it happened, and so caused some "damage" (note the word is quoted, do not take it literal, please) to the readers of this list. In this case not having timely answers from Reindl. So yes, an apology is not out of place. As a compliment for the moderators: usually we do not notice moderation, which shows they do a good job. Still when one (or, in this case, a group) makes a mistake, an apology is the polite thing to do. -- Kind regards, André -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora hangs driving me nuts, in Windows it works without problems!
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:39:09AM +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: > My work Fedora 17 64bit box gangs without reason, and I can't track > down issue causing it! When I reboot into Windows 7 32bit it works for > days without any hangs. There's several likely culprits: 1. Bad memory. Windows and Linux allocate RAM differently, so it's very possible for one OS to hit a problem and the other not. Which memory test util did you run? 2. Problems with the video drivers. Since you did run the memory test, this is the most probable. What graphics card does your system have? 3. BIOS bugs which make the cooling not work properly in Linux. This sometimes happens in laptops but I've never heard of it on a desktop system. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fixing a crashed disk
> So... Am I OK or an Deep S**t? Reallocated Sector Count is 0. Good? You are fine. Ask the drive to be absolutely sure. But not by looking at SMART numbers and pretending to understand them but by asking the drive its health report smartctl --health /dev/whatever -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fixing a crashed disk
> Beg to differ. Remember, drives have reserved storage to remap bad sectors > *before* you ever see a bad sector at the interface. So, by the time you > think you're seeing only 8 bad sectors, you've actually burned through > the reserved sectors--many more have failed than you realize. Completely wrong. You see a bad sector on some devices after a sudden power fail because the sector was partially written when the power failed. It's not bad in any permanent sense it's just got incomplete data on it so cannot be read back properly until rewritten. Similarly btw any case where a sector reports as "bad" on a read does not mean you've used up all the spare sectors or anything of the sort, it means you've got a sector which failed to read. Some drives also (quite validly) report the number of sectors that were failed during the production of the device, which completely throws most of the rather weak drive reporting stuff software. What really matters is whether the drive itself thinks on its smart test whether it is likely to be failing not some joke heuristic. Bad sectors *can* be a sign of problems - be they drive failure, mechanical mounting problems (eg vibration), poor cooling, poor power and so on but not in this case. The warnings also often look different - you see a continuing to rise number of bad sectors. Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fixing a crashed disk
On 10/29/2012 07:53 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: > Once, long ago--actually, on Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 06:19:59AM CDT--Alan Cox > (a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) said: >> Rubbish. > > Beg to differ. Remember, drives have reserved storage to remap bad sectors > *before* you ever see a bad sector at the interface. So, by the time you > think you're seeing only 8 bad sectors, you've actually burned through > the reserved sectors--many more have failed than you realize. > > Look at the SMART report on the drive; that will tell you how many sectors > have been reallocated and how many spare sectors are left in the G-list > (user microcode remapping). > > G'luck, > -- > Dave Ihnat > dih...@dminet.com > So... Am I OK or an Deep S**t? Reallocated Sector Count is 0. Good? === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Seagate Barracuda (SATA 3Gb/s, 4K Sectors) Device Model: ST2000DM001-9YN164 Serial Number:W1E0KZKN LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 049dbcb2d Firmware Version: CC4B User Capacity:2,000,398,934,016 bytes [2.00 TB] Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: 8 ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 4 Local Time is:Mon Oct 29 07:58:59 2012 CDT SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled. Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed without error or no self-test has ever been run. Total time to complete Offline data collection:( 575) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities:(0x73) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. No Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities:(0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability:(0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time:( 1) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time:( 225) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time:( 2) minutes. SCT capabilities: (0x3085) SCT Status supported. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 118 099 006Pre-fail Always - 168095056 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003 095 094 000Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 30 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 072 060 030Pre-fail Always - 15042880 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 099 099 000Old_age Always - 1689 10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013 100 100 097Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 30 183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 184 End-to-End_Error0x0032 100 100 099Old_age Always - 0 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 082 082 000Old_age Always - 18 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 064 056 045Old_age Always - 36 (Min/Max 33/41) 191 G-Sense_Error_Rate 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 10 193 Load_Cycle_Count0x0032 091 091 000Old_age Always - 19452 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022
Re: Fixing a crashed disk
Once, long ago--actually, on Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 06:19:59AM CDT--Alan Cox (a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) said: > Rubbish. Beg to differ. Remember, drives have reserved storage to remap bad sectors *before* you ever see a bad sector at the interface. So, by the time you think you're seeing only 8 bad sectors, you've actually burned through the reserved sectors--many more have failed than you realize. Look at the SMART report on the drive; that will tell you how many sectors have been reallocated and how many spare sectors are left in the G-list (user microcode remapping). G'luck, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Architectural CAD
I do almost all my CAD work these days using OpenSCAD/ImplicitCAD etc. However if you are not coming from a programming background they will I suspect throw you completely. It's possible to use blender for this kind of stuff, particularly visuals but it's not really good for doing the actual design side. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Architectural CAD
On 10/28/2012 01:56 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: Can anyone suggest an architectural CAD package comparable to AutoCAD for use in preparing layered drawings for residential remodeling? No FOSS package approaches AutoCAD, unfortunately, although I've used QCad for minor household renovations. If you need something heavier-duty, these are some non-FOSS but Fedora-runnable options: http://www.varicad.com/en/home/ http://www.bricsys.com/en_INTL/bricscad/ - Mike -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
RE: Architectural CAD
AutoCAD WS?? https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/autocad-ws/dcjeclnkejmbepoibfnamioojinoopln From: Robert G. (Doc) Savage Sent: 29 October 2012 3:35 AM To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: Architectural CAD On Sun, 2012-10-28 at 16:33 -0400, Doug wrote: > On 10/28/2012 03:06 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: > > On 10/28/2012 01:56 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > >> Can anyone suggest an architectural CAD package comparable to AutoCAD > >> for use in preparing layered drawings for residential remodeling? > >> > >> --Doc Savage > >>Fairview Heights, IL > >> > > > > I use Ribbon Soft Qcad. There is a free edition but I use the pro > > edition. > > > > http://www.ribbonsoft.com/en/qcad > > > I looked at some of these things, and the free QCad is probably the > nearest to AutoCAAD, > but it's NOT AutoCAD--some of the commands don't work. And some of the > features > that you might need are not there. (I couldn't find "scale".) It's the > same old problem-- > any imitation CAD routine will cause you to have to learn all over > again. If you have > Windows, there are sources of (quite a bit) lower-priced AutoCAD. I > won't go into > detail but there are! You just can't call Autodesk for help! I will > never understand > why some of these ultra-high-priced outfits don't make older editions > available for > a reasonable price. AutoCad could sell the old Light version from 2000 > or so for, > say, $150, which is probably not much lower than when it was new, and make a > nice buck out of people who will never buy the latest four-figure > version--or the five-figure > full-blown version. With you there Doug. Having seen Windows 8, maybe Autodesk will do an about face and return to UNIX/Linux as its primary platform. Before hiring a contractor, I need to revise old hard copy drawings and completely redo the electrical and lighting layers. The ability to build a list of materials would be a real plus. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora hangs driving me nuts, in Windows it works without problems!
On 29.10.2012, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: > Because screen goes off I'm starting to think that it could be i915 > driver fault maybe? Is anybody else having issues like these and has > i915 driver with Sandybridge gpu? Is there anything showing up in the logs? You could compile a kernel with full debugging on to get some logdata first. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fixing a crashed disk
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 01:33:55 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 27.10.2012 01:29, schrieb Steven Stern: > > Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 8 Offline uncorrectable sectors > > Smartctl tells me the problem is at LBA 2014551336 (this is a 2TB disk) > > sounds bad > > > Here's the question: If I just reformat and restore /home from a > > recent backup, will the disk automatically deal with the sectors > > pending reallocation? > > REALLY: throw away the disk and do not restore backups to it Rubbish. If you powered down a drive which was writing then in obscure cases some drives will fail to complete the sector. The next time you write to that logical block it will either rewrite it successfully and fix the problem or it will map another sector to it. Quite different to physical damage. In almost every case in fact a journaled file system will just keep on working fine because any problem with data still 'live' that was being written will be fixed by the journal replay. Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora hangs driving me nuts, in Windows it works without problems!
> I don't use windows However, I recently had a series of hangs on my F17 > box that I could not explain. Although I fixed the problem before installing > the lm_sensors package I would recommend installing it and checking your CPU > temps. > Neither do I, just use them as troubleshooting tool ;) > My problem was "fixed" by removing a buildup of cat fur from the CPU > heat-sink. I'm sure lm_sensors would have revealed to me a temperature > problem. :-) I track temperature, it is not an issue because fans are clean and temp doesn't exceed 45°C My best guess it is an driver issue. System is Sandybridge based, CPU is i5-2500 and gpu is Intel Sandybridge. Because screen goes off I'm starting to think that it could be i915 driver fault maybe? Is anybody else having issues like these and has i915 driver with Sandybridge gpu? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora hangs driving me nuts, in Windows it works without problems!
On 10/29/2012 05:39 PM, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: > My work Fedora 17 64bit box gangs without reason, and I can't track > down issue causing it! When I reboot into Windows 7 32bit it works for > days without any hangs. > > This is a company PC so IT installed Windows 7, but I don't use it, > that is why I installed Fedora and use it as my primary desktop. > > I'm not some guru sysadmin, but I'm not a newbie, as I have been using > Linux over 10 years as my primary desktop and have few private servers > that I maintain, I have troubleshooted and fixed numerous issues with > mine and friends machines. > > My desktop works perfectly for hours, sometime for days, but after > some time (usually 1-2 days) it just freezes. It doesn't matter how > many free memory I have, which apps I'm runnig or which desktop I'm > using. I tried leaving just desktop running with no apps, still > freezes, changed desktops, kde - hangs, gnome 3 - hangs, mate - gangs, > tried leaving multiple apps doing something, still hangs. I ran memory > test utils, memory is working ok. These gangs are driving me nuts! > > Is anybody having unexplained hangs with Fedora 16 and 17 64bit? Could > it be some 64bit issue because Windows is 32bit and it works? > > How can I troubleshoot what is causing hangs of my machine? I don't use windows However, I recently had a series of hangs on my F17 box that I could not explain. Although I fixed the problem before installing the lm_sensors package I would recommend installing it and checking your CPU temps. My problem was "fixed" by removing a buildup of cat fur from the CPU heat-sink. I'm sure lm_sensors would have revealed to me a temperature problem. :-) -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rick Cook, The Wizardry Compiled -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
