Re: OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/20/13 14:41, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> I've just completed the first exercise for using inkscape, which is to draw a 
> Swedish flag.  I saved it as a PDF and emailed it to a Swedish friend, but 
> all he got when he viewed the image was an empty rectangle.  It seems the 
> trouble is that somewhere in the mail system, probably in their Windows mail 
> reader, text lines in the PDF were converted from Unix style NL termination 
> to DOS style CR/NL termination.  Sure enough when I converted the file on my 
> system using the command:
>
> unix2dos -n -f SwedishFlag.pdf SwedishFlag+cr.pdf
>
> the output file displays as an empty box, using either okular or acroread.
>
> Does anyone know what's going on here, or how to send such a file to a 
> Windows machine without it's being trashed?

At this point all I know is this

Any PDF file to which I apply the conversion results in what you describe.  A 
PDF file contains binary information.  As such, I don't think the experiment is 
valid.

From the man page...

  The Dos2unix package includes utilities "dos2unix" and "unix2dos" to
   convert plain text files in DOS or Mac format to Unix format and vice
   versa.

A PDF isn't a plain text file.

I would ask the recipient to check the file size they have received.

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OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

I've just completed the first exercise for using inkscape, which is to
draw a Swedish flag.  I saved it as a PDF and emailed it to a Swedish
friend, but all he got when he viewed the image was an empty rectangle.
It seems the trouble is that somewhere in the mail system, probably in
their Windows mail reader, text lines in the PDF were converted from
Unix style NL termination to DOS style CR/NL termination.  Sure enough
when I converted the file on my system using the command:

unix2dos -n -f SwedishFlag.pdf SwedishFlag+cr.pdf

the output file displays as an empty box, using either okular or
acroread.

Does anyone know what's going on here, or how to send such a file to a
Windows machine without it's being trashed?

Many Thanks - jon


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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Peter Gueckel]

Ed Greshko wrote:

> ...so you want to eliminate your desktop and laptop and move
> to a single mobile platform with, ideally, Fedora as the
> underlying OS. ...I don't see mobile platforms... as
> exclusionary devices but complementary.

I entertain the Bauhaus/Ikea/Zen philosophy of minimalism. All-in-
one appeals to me from that aspect. I see that it might not yet be 
practical or even possible.
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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/20/13 09:15, Peter Gueckel wrote:
> Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> What is the advantage of running (K)Ubuntu or any other
>> Linux distro on a smartphone or tablet?
> I really couldn't say. I don't yet own any such mobile computing 
> device, but I was perusing some flyers yesterday and was getting 
> rather interested.
>
> I thought, what if I were to buy a smartphone (and/or a tablet)? 
> Smartphones are pretty powerful these days, with multi-core 
> processors and the ability to power large LED displays, etc., so I 
> wouldn't need my desktop and laptop computers anymore.
>
> So, I thought, before I really start to get interested in replacing 
> my current (static) hardware with contemporary (mobile) hardware, I 
> had better find out how to get Fedora onto it.
>
> To my great surprise, it appears that moving my hardware into the 
> contemporary mobile age means de facto abandoning Fedora.
>
> I thought that KDE Plasma was an attempt at getting KDE onto mobile 
> devices. You have to have Fedora (or some other distro) on the 
> device to get KDE onto it, don't you?
>
>> Do people wanting to do this simply want to do it in an attempt 
> to...?
>
> For me, wanting to do this is an attempt to move into the mobile 
> computing age, discard my old and redundant equipment 
> (desktop/laptop)... and still have Fedora!
>

Oh, so you want to eliminate your desktop and laptop and move to a single 
mobile platform with, ideally, Fedora as the underlying OS.

Just my opinion, but I don't see mobile platforms (smart phones, tablets) as 
exclusionary devices but complementary.  As long as there is a way to easily 
share content between devices and one is not locked into proprietary formats 
I'm happy.  (I see folks have reported MTP being supported in the most recent 
kernels.)

I personally don't see any advantage but I do see potential pitfalls in taking 
the route you're contemplating.
 

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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Peter Gueckel]

Ed Greshko wrote:

> What is the advantage of running (K)Ubuntu or any other
> Linux distro on a smartphone or tablet?

I really couldn't say. I don't yet own any such mobile computing 
device, but I was perusing some flyers yesterday and was getting 
rather interested.

I thought, what if I were to buy a smartphone (and/or a tablet)? 
Smartphones are pretty powerful these days, with multi-core 
processors and the ability to power large LED displays, etc., so I 
wouldn't need my desktop and laptop computers anymore.

So, I thought, before I really start to get interested in replacing 
my current (static) hardware with contemporary (mobile) hardware, I 
had better find out how to get Fedora onto it.

To my great surprise, it appears that moving my hardware into the 
contemporary mobile age means de facto abandoning Fedora.

I thought that KDE Plasma was an attempt at getting KDE onto mobile 
devices. You have to have Fedora (or some other distro) on the 
device to get KDE onto it, don't you?

> Do people wanting to do this simply want to do it in an attempt 
to...?

For me, wanting to do this is an attempt to move into the mobile 
computing age, discard my old and redundant equipment 
(desktop/laptop)... and still have Fedora!

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Re: Help me make backups better on GNU/Linux

[Gordon Messmer]

On 03/19/2013 05:13 PM, Jorge Fábregas wrote:

The thing is to separate the snapshotting & the quiescing activities so
that the quiescing works regardless of the snapshot technology being
used.  Is this more or less what you're doing?


Yes!  It might be as simple as:

  for x in /usr/lib/snapshot/writers.d/*
  do
test -x "$x" || continue
"$x" quiesce
  done

... in the pre-freeze script, and the same loop with "resume" as an 
argument in the post-thaw script.  I'd also like to see services that 
need to quiesce their data ship with a script to handle that.


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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Temlakos]

On 03/19/2013 08:17 PM, Peter Gueckel wrote:

Temlakos wrote:


Here's another possibility: maybe... Fedora
will run the servers on private clouds...

Your prediction would exclude the average computer user. That's a
shame.




Not necessarily. A private Cloud could be you and your friends chipping 
in and building a server farm in your church, synagogue, lodge, or wherever.


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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/20/13 08:17, Peter Gueckel wrote:
> I have been with Fedora since about 1998 (RH5). I don't care to 
> switch, just to become digitally mobile. In all likelihood, given 
> this bleak scenario, I would probably end up with an Android device 
> and end up reluctantly moving to (K)Ubuntu.

I have to ask

What is the advantage of running (K)Ubuntu or any other Linux distro on a 
smartphone or tablet? 

I haven't given any thought to this since I don't know if devices running an 
O/S other than Android O/S would have access to the Google Play or Amazon Apps 
store.  If they lose that source or even if they don't but suffer from 
stability issues then what good is it?

Do people wanting to do this simply want to do it in an attempt to maintain 
interface consistency?  But, IMO, the form factor alone would impact that even 
if the underlying O/S is the same.  

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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 20.03.2013 01:17, schrieb Peter Gueckel:
> Temlakos wrote:
> 
>> Here's another possibility: maybe... Fedora
>> will run the servers on private clouds...
> 
> Your prediction would exclude the average computer user. That's a 
> shame.

no, it would not
nobody prevents you from install GNOME / KDE or whatelse

it would be a shame if Fedora would be degraded to satisfy
the shiny new wolrd of crappy devices and exclude private
clouds and servers for serious usage over the long




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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Peter Gueckel]

Temlakos wrote:

> Here's another possibility: maybe... Fedora
> will run the servers on private clouds...

Your prediction would exclude the average computer user. That's a 
shame.

I have been with Fedora since about 1998 (RH5). I don't care to 
switch, just to become digitally mobile. In all likelihood, given 
this bleak scenario, I would probably end up with an Android device 
and end up reluctantly moving to (K)Ubuntu.

In the meantime, I still have my (Fedora) desktop computer.

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Re: Help me make backups better on GNU/Linux

[Jorge Fábregas]

On 03/19/2013 02:29 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> After publicly bitching about Linux's poor backup infrastructure for the 
> hundredth time, I decided to write a common system for making snapshots. 

Hi,

This is interesting since we have nothing like the VSS infrastructure on
Windows.

My experience is with snapshots at the hypervisor level (VMware vSphere)
where I've been doing the quiescing you mention by means of the
following 2 scripts that the "VMware Tools"(inside the VM) would call
(when you request a snapshot):

/usr/sbin/pre-freeze-script
/usr/sbin/post-thaw-script

It's just a matter of putting the necessary stuff in those scripts and
you're done.  BTW, I always thought it would be great if there were some
standard directory where every app, when it gets installed, would put
its pre-freeze & post-thaw stuff.  (Just like Apache puts its logrotate
config file in /etc/logrotate.d/ when you install it).   That way,
whenever you perform a snapshot (no matter the kind of snapshot), all
files within those directories would be executed (prior & post snaps).

The thing is to separate the snapshotting & the quiescing activities so
that the quiescing works regardless of the snapshot technology being
used.  Is this more or less what you're doing?

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Re: looking for Grub2 string

[poma]

On 19.03.2013 16:09, Frank Murphy wrote:
> Cannot seem to find in the /etc/grub.d/* , /boot/grub2/*
> where the file is that contains the string:
> "Welcome to grub"
...

http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/lh/grub/trunk/grub/annotate/head:/grub-core/kern/main.c#L261

poma

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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Richard Vickery]

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Peter Gueckel  wrote:

> Peter Gueckel wrote:
>
>
>
> Good grief! I had no idea that this would result in such a heated
> exchange :-)
>
> As some have pointed out, the smartphone is a computer. Also, many
> users are giving up their desktop and laptop computers for
> smartphones and, sometimes, an additional tablet.
>
> Given this development, does Fedora have anything to offer them?
>
> So far in the discussion, the answer appears to be that it doesn't.
>
> Given this development, who will be using Fedora, if it cannot be
> used on the devices people nowadays are purchasing and using?
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A thought:

People are not out buying box- or folding-computers because the market is
saturated. No one needs the latest, and greatest computer, but we still
have them, and we may still need them to write essays / reports; thus, we
still need the OS. We are, however, going to need, for the present time,
the latest, and greatest smart phone.

We may need to buy computers when voice-activation comes along - at which
time they may be built into the houses, and these will need the OS.

I believe we want to develop for the hand-held data-device; we sell the OS
by installing on our own devices, overtop of Android.

Just my thoughts on redundancy.
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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Temlakos]

On 03/19/2013 07:26 PM, Peter Gueckel wrote:

Peter Gueckel wrote:


I have been looking at smartphones and tablets...

How does Fedora fit into this? Is there a way to put
Fedora onto a tablet or smartphone?

Ubuntu offers an intriguing compromise, for users of an Android
phone.

How do you go about it?

Good grief! I had no idea that this would result in such a heated
exchange :-)

As some have pointed out, the smartphone is a computer. Also, many
users are giving up their desktop and laptop computers for
smartphones and, sometimes, an additional tablet.

Given this development, does Fedora have anything to offer them?

So far in the discussion, the answer appears to be that it doesn't.

Given this development, who will be using Fedora, if it cannot be
used on the devices people nowadays are purchasing and using?



Good question. I think much depends on whether Android will live up to 
its promise of being a genuine open-source OS, and Google, Inc. will not 
try to hijack it in some way. I've already heard from an aggrieved user 
who laments ever installing Google Chrome on his computer. (He runs 
Windows.) He says the instance of Google Chrome abruptly destroyed his 
installation of Mozilla Firefox. When he then tried to reinstall it, 
Google Chrome said he was about to install an application infected with 
a dangerous virus. Now I've heard of deliberate FUD-mongering, but this 
is the limit.


And the relevancy? Google wrote Android.

Don't ask me about Windows for Smartphones, or iOS (for the iPhone and 
iPad). You probably would advise parental judgment for anyone looking to 
read my answer.


Here's another possibility: maybe the place of Fedora, in this future 
world of Cloud-centric computing, Desktop as a Service, back-end 
word-processing, back-end data storage, and the like, is that Fedora 
will run the servers on private clouds. Anyone from a multinational 
enterprise to a non-profit charity or even a political activist group 
will try to build their own Cloud, to offer the convenience of mobile 
computing with the security of traditional private desktops.


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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 20.03.2013 00:26, schrieb Peter Gueckel:
> Given this development, does Fedora have anything to offer them?
> 
> So far in the discussion, the answer appears to be that it doesn't. 
> 
> Given this development, who will be using Fedora, if it cannot be 
> used on the devices people nowadays are purchasing and using?

all the users whch are working seriously on their computers
and not own them as a toy - and hopefully if all the toy-users
switch to smartphones we can stop the wrong direction try to
make linux idiot-proff for every-price

do you really think this user-base has brought linux to
where it is now? not a piece of it!



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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Peter Gueckel]

Peter Gueckel wrote:

> I have been looking at smartphones and tablets...
> 
> How does Fedora fit into this? Is there a way to put
> Fedora onto a tablet or smartphone?
> 
> Ubuntu offers an intriguing compromise, for users of an Android
> phone.
> 
> How do you go about it?

Good grief! I had no idea that this would result in such a heated 
exchange :-)

As some have pointed out, the smartphone is a computer. Also, many 
users are giving up their desktop and laptop computers for 
smartphones and, sometimes, an additional tablet.

Given this development, does Fedora have anything to offer them?

So far in the discussion, the answer appears to be that it doesn't. 

Given this development, who will be using Fedora, if it cannot be 
used on the devices people nowadays are purchasing and using?

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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 19.03.2013 23:55, schrieb Olav Vitters:
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:43:11PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am 19.03.2013 23:38, schrieb Olav Vitters:
>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 09:58:36PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
 have a good reason to do so - i am living in a IT based
 BUSINESS world, and no serious business will outsource
 all it's IT "to the cloud", not now and not in the future
>>>
>>> I know one Fortune 500 company that has no problems with that
>>
>> surely not - NOT a public cloud where the OP refers
>>
>> and that is why people should avoid buzzwords if they
>> like to be taken serious
> 
> He said "The Cloud". The servers are not hosted or owned by the company
> but by two different companies (big ones). The data is not publicly
> accessible

why do you guy not say "I know one Fortune 500 company that has no problems
with that and using Amazon EC2" if you mean it?

this is not the same bullshit as "i do no longer need computers
because in a short anyhting is done with smartphones and tables"

OK, you are a GNOME3 guy and would love the opposite to have
arguments for design a desktop for a mobile, but thats another story



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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Olav Vitters]

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:43:11PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 19.03.2013 23:38, schrieb Olav Vitters:
> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 09:58:36PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> have a good reason to do so - i am living in a IT based
> >> BUSINESS world, and no serious business will outsource
> >> all it's IT "to the cloud", not now and not in the future
> > 
> > I know one Fortune 500 company that has no problems with that
> 
> surely not - NOT a public cloud where the OP refers
> 
> and that is why people should avoid buzzwords if they
> like to be taken serious

He said "The Cloud". The servers are not hosted or owned by the company
but by two different companies (big ones). The data is not publicly
accessible.

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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 19.03.2013 23:38, schrieb Olav Vitters:
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 09:58:36PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> have a good reason to do so - i am living in a IT based
>> BUSINESS world, and no serious business will outsource
>> all it's IT "to the cloud", not now and not in the future
> 
> I know one Fortune 500 company that has no problems with that

surely not - NOT a public cloud where the OP refers

and that is why people should avoid buzzwords if they
like to be taken serious



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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Olav Vitters]

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 09:58:36PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> have a good reason to do so - i am living in a IT based
> BUSINESS world, and no serious business will outsource
> all it's IT "to the cloud", not now and not in the future

I know one Fortune 500 company that has no problems with that.

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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Richard Vickery]

>
> WOULD YOU PLEASE STRIP YOUR QUOTES ESPECIALLY REMOVE LIST-FOOTERS
> unbelievable how care less people write mails...
>
> well, however, i am not a politician and hopefully never get one
> i am one of them who hardly tries to understand things and not
> follow blindly buzzwords from markting-driven authors nor do
> i consider follow them as smart and i have no time and energy
> to pack the trth in nice words
>

Each time each any of us talks to, acts, reacts, our does anything that
affects any other person, that is a political act.
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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 19.03.2013 23:05, schrieb Steven Stern:
> On 03/19/2013 03:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
>> whoever takes the "stupid" in this case targeted to itself must
>> have a good reason to do so - i am living in a IT based
>> BUSINESS world, and no serious business will outsource
>> all it's IT "to the cloud", not now and not in the future
>>
>> no serious business is allowed to to so for legal reasons
>>
>> yes, you can build your "private could", well if i would
>> take the buzzword "cloud" serious am still in my "private could"
>> called VMware vSphere, but this doe snot replace WORKSTATIONS
>>
>>
>  // snip
> 
> And once again, you're going off on a tangent. If you don't have an
> answer for the question, please don't respond.  The OP asked if it were
> possible, not if it were a good idea or if you personally would commit
> you and your descendants to a lifetime in thrall to the idea

so to answer the question:

IT IS NOT POSSIBLE
WAS THIS CLEAR ENOUGH?



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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 19.03.2013 23:01, schrieb Gordon Messmer:
> On 03/19/2013 12:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> this direction is completly wrong
>> a smartphone is not the same as a desktop-computer
>>
> 
> I disagree.  A smartphone IS a computer

well, you should read more careful
i said DESKTP-COMPUTER aka WORKSTATION



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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Steven Stern]

On 03/19/2013 03:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

> whoever takes the "stupid" in this case targeted to itself must
> have a good reason to do so - i am living in a IT based
> BUSINESS world, and no serious business will outsource
> all it's IT "to the cloud", not now and not in the future
> 
> no serious business is allowed to to so for legal reasons
> 
> yes, you can build your "private could", well if i would
> take the buzzword "cloud" serious am still in my "private could"
> called VMware vSphere, but this doe snot replace WORKSTATIONS
> 
> 
> 
> 
 // snip

And once again, you're going off on a tangent. If you don't have an
answer for the question, please don't respond.  The OP asked if it were
possible, not if it were a good idea or if you personally would commit
you and your descendants to a lifetime in thrall to the idea.

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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Gordon Messmer]

On 03/19/2013 12:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

this direction is completly wrong
a smartphone is not the same as a desktop-computer



I disagree.  A smartphone IS a computer.  It uses a CPU, RAM, and 
persistent storage.  I actually really liked the concept of the Atrix, 
though not its execution.  I expect that we'll see more phones and 
tables docking with workstation peripherals (monitor, mouse, keyboard) 
in the future.  I don't think there are any active Fedora projects to 
support those, but Red Hat has never focused much attention on 
desktop/workstation support.  Right now, there's very little hardware 
that supports it, so not much reason to do so.  I hope that changes.

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Re: Auth failure with uid >= 1000 on fc18

[Gordon Messmer]

On 03/19/2013 01:46 PM, Alex wrote:

It sure is. How did you become so proficient with it?


I've been using LDAP and to some lesser extend KRB5 for a long-ish time. 
 I've done my share of troubleshooting authentication issues during 
that time.



It's been around
forever, but has never been very well documented. Do you use it
regularly?


The man page for pam.conf actually has a good explanation of exactly 
what the first column in the pam.conf files mean.  It can take a little 
bit of time to understand.  On a certain level, it's similar to 
iptables.  Once you can think about a stack of sequences, both of those 
should make sense.  :)



Thanks for the great explanation.


You're welcome.  I'm glad it helped.

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systemd -- mysqld.service

[Gary Artim]

I upgraded last weekend to fc18 from fc17, issue:

my mysql /mysqlbin/mysql-bin.index a configuration option, is on a NFS
directory. Seem that mysqld.service fails because the NFS is not
completely up. I can start it right after the boot completes. The
config for the services files are vanilla:

[root]# cat /usr/lib/systemd/system/mysqld.service
# It's not recommended to modify this file in-place, because it will be
# overwritten during package upgrades.  If you want to customize, the
# best way is to create a file "/etc/systemd/system/mysqld.service",
# containing
#   .include /lib/systemd/system/mysqld.service
#   ...make your changes here...
# For more info about custom unit files, see
# 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd#How_do_I_customize_a_unit_file.2F_add_a_custom_unit_file.3F

# For example, if you want to increase mysql's open-files-limit to 1,
# you need to increase systemd's LimitNOFILE setting, so create a file named
# "/etc/systemd/system/mysqld.service" containing:
#   .include /lib/systemd/system/mysqld.service
#   [Service]
#   LimitNOFILE=1

# Note: in F-17 and beyond, /usr/lib/... is recommended in the .include line
# though /lib/... will still work.

[Unit]
Description=MySQL database server
After=syslog.target
After=network.target

[Service]
Type=simple
User=mysql
Group=mysql

ExecStartPre=/usr/libexec/mysqld-prepare-db-dir %n
# Note: we set --basedir to prevent probes that might trigger SELinux alarms,
# per bug #547485
ExecStart=/usr/bin/mysqld_safe --basedir=/usr
ExecStartPost=/usr/libexec/mysqld-wait-ready $MAINPID

# Give a reasonable amount of time for the server to start up/shut down
TimeoutSec=300

# Place temp files in a secure directory, not /tmp
PrivateTmp=true

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target



Thinking I should modify to add a "After=" for nfs.target, any one
think this is the wrong approach or alternate options, I'd do
something like:

[root]# cat mysqld.service
# "/etc/systemd/system/mysqld.service" containing:
.include /lib/systemd/system/mysqld.service
[Unit]
Description=MySQL database server
After=syslog.target
After=network.target
After=nfs.target


thanks for any feedback!
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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 19.03.2013 22:16, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> 
> On Mar 19, 2013 2:00 PM, "Reindl Harald"  > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 19.03.2013 21:43, schrieb Richard Vickery:
>> >
>> > On Mar 19, 2013 1:28 PM, "Reindl Harald" > > 
> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Am 19.03.2013 20:52, schrieb Temlakos:
>> >> > On 03/19/2013 03:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Am 19.03.2013 19:38, schrieb Peter Gueckel:
>> >> >>> I have been looking at smartphones and tablets (I presently own
>> >> >>> neither, due to outrageous monthly fees and lengthy contracts), as
>> >> >>> I am starting to feel that I no longer want to do without mobility.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> However, how does Fedora fit into this? Is there a way to put
>> >> >>> Fedora onto a tablet or smartphone?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Ubuntu offers an intriguing compromise, for users of an Android
>> >> >>> phone. Hook up a keyboard and monitor and run Ubuntu, so you don't
>> >> >>> exactly have your full system in your hand, but you _do_ have it in
>> >> >>> your pocket. Pretty cool, but it's not KDE-Fedora!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> How do you go about it?
>> >> >> this direction is completly wrong
>> >> >> a smartphone is not the same as a desktop-computer
>> >> >>
>> >> >> terrible enough that these days way too much developers
>> >> >> designing interfaces while optimize them for phones and
>> >> >> tablets which is plain stupid
>> >> >>
>> >> >> yes - i use a Galaxy S3
>> >> >> but i would not come to this train: everywhere the same
>> >> >>
>> >> > Did you know that a consensus is rapidly developing that the present 
>> >> > environment,
>> >> > with desktops (or mini-towers) and laptops dominating, will give place 
>> >> > totally
>> >> > to The Cloud, where all data will reside, and you will access it using 
>> >> > a smartphone
>> >> > with the occasional auxiliary keyboard and screen?
>> >>
>> >> *bruhahahaha*
>> >>
>> >> some stupid people really believe this
>> >>
>> >> as the same people believed in a lot of "the next big thing"
>> >> hypes over the last 10 years like SOAP and nothing happened
>> >>
>> >> this may be a usecase for the typical homeuser which does
>> >> mostly not more like webbrowsing and write some mails or
>> >> view vidoes, hear music
>> >>
>> >> this WILL NEVER happen for real work and business cases
>> >> IF it would happen there then the cloud is a "private cloud"
>> >> and nothing would replace my workstation because i would be
>> >> the guy to implement this cloud which unlikely happens
>> >> from a tablet or mobile phone
>> >>
>> >> NEVER EVER will somebody store critical data in the cloud
>> >> and if he does we will hear only a last *bang* from this
>> >> guy after some bad news what went wrong
>> >>
>> > Reindl:
>> >
>> > I believe the best way to build a network team of contributers who are not 
>> > paid is through synergy. Laughing at
>> > some of us and using words like "stupid" to describe really smart and 
>> > intelligent people goes a long way in killing
>> > this goal and driving them, good and bad, away, and dividing us.
>>
>> whoever takes the "stupid" in this case targeted to itself must
>> have a good reason to do so - i am living in a IT based
>> BUSINESS world, and no serious business will outsource
>> all it's IT "to the cloud", not now and not in the future
>>
>> no serious business is allowed to to so for legal reasons
>>
>> yes, you can build your "private could", well if i would
>> take the buzzword "cloud" serious am still in my "private could"
>> called VMware vSphere, but this doe snot replace WORKSTATIONS
>>
>>
>>
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> 
> It is very easy for people, especially new people who have just joined, to 
> get offended when these two words are
> used in the same email and using such, and then defending use, is also a 
> slippery slope to the combatant use of
> profane language, neither of which I think we really want to end up with. 
> Remember that, through text, or email,
> there are no verbal, nor visual, cures as to the meaning behind the message

WOULD YOU PLEASE STRIP YOUR QUOTES ESPECIALLY REMOVE LIST-FOOTERS
unbelievable how care less people write mails...

well, however, i am not a politician and hopefully never get one
i am one of them who hardly tries to understand things and not
follow blindly buzzwords from markting-driven authors nor do
i consider follow them as smart and i have no time and energy
to pack the trth in nice words



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Intel Atom detecting a second monitor that doesn't exist.

[Kevin Daly]

When booting on an Intel Atom machine I have, xorg reports it detects 2
monitors, but I only have one monitor connected.

The problem is that the login screen seems to be on the second "Non
existent" monitor. So the machine is completely unusable.

The motherboard only has one monitor output.

This is with the intel i915 driver

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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Richard Vickery]

On Mar 19, 2013 2:00 PM, "Reindl Harald"  wrote:
>
>
>
> Am 19.03.2013 21:43, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> >
> > On Mar 19, 2013 1:28 PM, "Reindl Harald" > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 19.03.2013 20:52, schrieb Temlakos:
> >> > On 03/19/2013 03:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Am 19.03.2013 19:38, schrieb Peter Gueckel:
> >> >>> I have been looking at smartphones and tablets (I presently own
> >> >>> neither, due to outrageous monthly fees and lengthy contracts), as
> >> >>> I am starting to feel that I no longer want to do without mobility.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> However, how does Fedora fit into this? Is there a way to put
> >> >>> Fedora onto a tablet or smartphone?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ubuntu offers an intriguing compromise, for users of an Android
> >> >>> phone. Hook up a keyboard and monitor and run Ubuntu, so you don't
> >> >>> exactly have your full system in your hand, but you _do_ have it in
> >> >>> your pocket. Pretty cool, but it's not KDE-Fedora!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> How do you go about it?
> >> >> this direction is completly wrong
> >> >> a smartphone is not the same as a desktop-computer
> >> >>
> >> >> terrible enough that these days way too much developers
> >> >> designing interfaces while optimize them for phones and
> >> >> tablets which is plain stupid
> >> >>
> >> >> yes - i use a Galaxy S3
> >> >> but i would not come to this train: everywhere the same
> >> >>
> >> > Did you know that a consensus is rapidly developing that the present
environment,
> >> > with desktops (or mini-towers) and laptops dominating, will give
place totally
> >> > to The Cloud, where all data will reside, and you will access it
using a smartphone
> >> > with the occasional auxiliary keyboard and screen?
> >>
> >> *bruhahahaha*
> >>
> >> some stupid people really believe this
> >>
> >> as the same people believed in a lot of "the next big thing"
> >> hypes over the last 10 years like SOAP and nothing happened
> >>
> >> this may be a usecase for the typical homeuser which does
> >> mostly not more like webbrowsing and write some mails or
> >> view vidoes, hear music
> >>
> >> this WILL NEVER happen for real work and business cases
> >> IF it would happen there then the cloud is a "private cloud"
> >> and nothing would replace my workstation because i would be
> >> the guy to implement this cloud which unlikely happens
> >> from a tablet or mobile phone
> >>
> >> NEVER EVER will somebody store critical data in the cloud
> >> and if he does we will hear only a last *bang* from this
> >> guy after some bad news what went wrong
> >>
> > Reindl:
> >
> > I believe the best way to build a network team of contributers who are
not paid is through synergy. Laughing at
> > some of us and using words like "stupid" to describe really smart and
intelligent people goes a long way in killing
> > this goal and driving them, good and bad, away, and dividing us.
>
> whoever takes the "stupid" in this case targeted to itself must
> have a good reason to do so - i am living in a IT based
> BUSINESS world, and no serious business will outsource
> all it's IT "to the cloud", not now and not in the future
>
> no serious business is allowed to to so for legal reasons
>
> yes, you can build your "private could", well if i would
> take the buzzword "cloud" serious am still in my "private could"
> called VMware vSphere, but this doe snot replace WORKSTATIONS
>
>
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It is very easy for people, especially new people who have just joined, to
get offended when these two words are used in the same email and using
such, and then defending use, is also a slippery slope to the combatant use
of profane language, neither of which I think we really want to end up
with. Remember that, through text, or email, there are no verbal, nor
visual, cures as to the meaning behind the message.
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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 19.03.2013 21:43, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> 
> On Mar 19, 2013 1:28 PM, "Reindl Harald"  > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 19.03.2013 20:52, schrieb Temlakos:
>> > On 03/19/2013 03:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Am 19.03.2013 19:38, schrieb Peter Gueckel:
>> >>> I have been looking at smartphones and tablets (I presently own
>> >>> neither, due to outrageous monthly fees and lengthy contracts), as
>> >>> I am starting to feel that I no longer want to do without mobility.
>> >>>
>> >>> However, how does Fedora fit into this? Is there a way to put
>> >>> Fedora onto a tablet or smartphone?
>> >>>
>> >>> Ubuntu offers an intriguing compromise, for users of an Android
>> >>> phone. Hook up a keyboard and monitor and run Ubuntu, so you don't
>> >>> exactly have your full system in your hand, but you _do_ have it in
>> >>> your pocket. Pretty cool, but it's not KDE-Fedora!
>> >>>
>> >>> How do you go about it?
>> >> this direction is completly wrong
>> >> a smartphone is not the same as a desktop-computer
>> >>
>> >> terrible enough that these days way too much developers
>> >> designing interfaces while optimize them for phones and
>> >> tablets which is plain stupid
>> >>
>> >> yes - i use a Galaxy S3
>> >> but i would not come to this train: everywhere the same
>> >>
>> > Did you know that a consensus is rapidly developing that the present 
>> > environment,
>> > with desktops (or mini-towers) and laptops dominating, will give place 
>> > totally
>> > to The Cloud, where all data will reside, and you will access it using a 
>> > smartphone
>> > with the occasional auxiliary keyboard and screen?
>>
>> *bruhahahaha*
>>
>> some stupid people really believe this
>>
>> as the same people believed in a lot of "the next big thing"
>> hypes over the last 10 years like SOAP and nothing happened
>>
>> this may be a usecase for the typical homeuser which does
>> mostly not more like webbrowsing and write some mails or
>> view vidoes, hear music
>>
>> this WILL NEVER happen for real work and business cases
>> IF it would happen there then the cloud is a "private cloud"
>> and nothing would replace my workstation because i would be
>> the guy to implement this cloud which unlikely happens
>> from a tablet or mobile phone
>>
>> NEVER EVER will somebody store critical data in the cloud
>> and if he does we will hear only a last *bang* from this
>> guy after some bad news what went wrong
>>
> Reindl:
> 
> I believe the best way to build a network team of contributers who are not 
> paid is through synergy. Laughing at
> some of us and using words like "stupid" to describe really smart and 
> intelligent people goes a long way in killing
> this goal and driving them, good and bad, away, and dividing us.

whoever takes the "stupid" in this case targeted to itself must
have a good reason to do so - i am living in a IT based
BUSINESS world, and no serious business will outsource
all it's IT "to the cloud", not now and not in the future

no serious business is allowed to to so for legal reasons

yes, you can build your "private could", well if i would
take the buzzword "cloud" serious am still in my "private could"
called VMware vSphere, but this doe snot replace WORKSTATIONS




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Re: Auth failure with uid >= 1000 on fc18

[Alex]

Hi,

>> It appears that you're saying ssh as root would fail because of the
>> UID >=1000 and pam_deny
>
> PAM is complex.

It sure is. How did you become so proficient with it? It's been around
forever, but has never been very well documented. Do you use it
regularly?

Thanks for the great explanation.
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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Richard Vickery]

On Mar 19, 2013 1:28 PM, "Reindl Harald"  wrote:
>
>
>
> Am 19.03.2013 20:52, schrieb Temlakos:
> > On 03/19/2013 03:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>
> >> Am 19.03.2013 19:38, schrieb Peter Gueckel:
> >>> I have been looking at smartphones and tablets (I presently own
> >>> neither, due to outrageous monthly fees and lengthy contracts), as
> >>> I am starting to feel that I no longer want to do without mobility.
> >>>
> >>> However, how does Fedora fit into this? Is there a way to put
> >>> Fedora onto a tablet or smartphone?
> >>>
> >>> Ubuntu offers an intriguing compromise, for users of an Android
> >>> phone. Hook up a keyboard and monitor and run Ubuntu, so you don't
> >>> exactly have your full system in your hand, but you _do_ have it in
> >>> your pocket. Pretty cool, but it's not KDE-Fedora!
> >>>
> >>> How do you go about it?
> >> this direction is completly wrong
> >> a smartphone is not the same as a desktop-computer
> >>
> >> terrible enough that these days way too much developers
> >> designing interfaces while optimize them for phones and
> >> tablets which is plain stupid
> >>
> >> yes - i use a Galaxy S3
> >> but i would not come to this train: everywhere the same
> >>
> > Did you know that a consensus is rapidly developing that the present
environment,
> > with desktops (or mini-towers) and laptops dominating, will give place
totally
> > to The Cloud, where all data will reside, and you will access it using
a smartphone
> > with the occasional auxiliary keyboard and screen?
>
> *bruhahahaha*
>
> some stupid people really believe this
>
> as the same people believed in a lot of "the next big thing"
> hypes over the last 10 years like SOAP and nothing happened
>
> this may be a usecase for the typical homeuser which does
> mostly not more like webbrowsing and write some mails or
> view vidoes, hear music
>
> this WILL NEVER happen for real work and business cases
> IF it would happen there then the cloud is a "private cloud"
> and nothing would replace my workstation because i would be
> the guy to implement this cloud which unlikely happens
> from a tablet or mobile phone
>
> NEVER EVER will somebody store critical data in the cloud
> and if he does we will hear only a last *bang* from this
> guy after some bad news what went wrong
>
>
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Reindl:

I believe the best way to build a network team of contributers who are not
paid is through synergy. Laughing at some of us and using words like
"stupid" to describe really smart and intelligent people goes a long way in
killing this goal and driving them, good and bad, away, and dividing us.
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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 19.03.2013 21:34, schrieb Tim:
> Allegedly, on or about 19 March 2013, Temlakos sent:
>> Did you know that a consensus is rapidly developing that the present 
>> environment, with desktops (or mini-towers) and laptops dominating,
>> will give place totally to The Cloud, where all data will reside, and
>> you will access it using a smartphone with the occasional auxiliary
>> keyboard and screen? And print to the nearest wireless print server?
>> What advice will you have for the worker in a multinational or Fortune
>> 100 enterprise that decides to build a private Cloud and expects its
>> workers to maintain all data on The Cloud and work with it using
>> smartphones and tablets, to the exclusion of mini-towers and laptops? 
> 
> I'm inclined to think that once you're locked into that scenario, you're
> also going to be locked into proprietary software.  Just about the whole
> basis of cloud computing is *making* *you* *pay* for every damn thing
> that you do (access, store, use, etc.).
> 
> It's taking vendor lock-in to the max

and nobody needs Fedora to support this broken idea

what the hell does someone expect from "Fedora on the mobile?"
the same desktop as on a 24" screen?
how should this work?

a completly different desktop for the mobile?
well, why do i noeed Fedora then on it and not whatever?

the DE of the desktop crippled down to a mobile ones?
well, that has happened with GNOME3/Unity/Windows8

leave us with KDE or whatever desktop making WORK with
their computers fuck in peace with all of this and
use whatever suits the gaming front




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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 19 March 2013, Temlakos sent:
> Did you know that a consensus is rapidly developing that the present 
> environment, with desktops (or mini-towers) and laptops dominating,
> will give place totally to The Cloud, where all data will reside, and
> you will access it using a smartphone with the occasional auxiliary
> keyboard and screen? And print to the nearest wireless print server?
> What advice will you have for the worker in a multinational or Fortune
> 100 enterprise that decides to build a private Cloud and expects its
> workers to maintain all data on The Cloud and work with it using
> smartphones and tablets, to the exclusion of mini-towers and laptops? 

I'm inclined to think that once you're locked into that scenario, you're
also going to be locked into proprietary software.  Just about the whole
basis of cloud computing is *making* *you* *pay* for every damn thing
that you do (access, store, use, etc.).

It's taking vendor lock-in to the max.

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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 19.03.2013 20:52, schrieb Temlakos:
> On 03/19/2013 03:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>> Am 19.03.2013 19:38, schrieb Peter Gueckel:
>>> I have been looking at smartphones and tablets (I presently own 
>>> neither, due to outrageous monthly fees and lengthy contracts), as 
>>> I am starting to feel that I no longer want to do without mobility.
>>>
>>> However, how does Fedora fit into this? Is there a way to put 
>>> Fedora onto a tablet or smartphone?
>>>
>>> Ubuntu offers an intriguing compromise, for users of an Android 
>>> phone. Hook up a keyboard and monitor and run Ubuntu, so you don't 
>>> exactly have your full system in your hand, but you _do_ have it in 
>>> your pocket. Pretty cool, but it's not KDE-Fedora!
>>>
>>> How do you go about it?
>> this direction is completly wrong
>> a smartphone is not the same as a desktop-computer
>>
>> terrible enough that these days way too much developers
>> designing interfaces while optimize them for phones and
>> tablets which is plain stupid
>>
>> yes - i use a Galaxy S3
>> but i would not come to this train: everywhere the same
>>
> Did you know that a consensus is rapidly developing that the present 
> environment, 
> with desktops (or mini-towers) and laptops dominating, will give place 
> totally 
> to The Cloud, where all data will reside, and you will access it using a 
> smartphone 
> with the occasional auxiliary keyboard and screen? 

*bruhahahaha*

some stupid people really believe this

as the same people believed in a lot of "the next big thing"
hypes over the last 10 years like SOAP and nothing happened

this may be a usecase for the typical homeuser which does
mostly not more like webbrowsing and write some mails or
view vidoes, hear music

this WILL NEVER happen for real work and business cases
IF it would happen there then the cloud is a "private cloud"
and nothing would replace my workstation because i would be
the guy to implement this cloud which unlikely happens
from a tablet or mobile phone

NEVER EVER will somebody store critical data in the cloud
and if he does we will hear only a last *bang* from this
guy after some bad news what went wrong



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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Richard Vickery]

On Mar 19, 2013 12:52 PM, "Temlakos"  wrote:
>
> On 03/19/2013 03:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am 19.03.2013 19:38, schrieb Peter Gueckel:
>>>
>>> I have been looking at smartphones and tablets (I presently own
>>> neither, due to outrageous monthly fees and lengthy contracts), as
>>> I am starting to feel that I no longer want to do without mobility.
>>>
>>> However, how does Fedora fit into this? Is there a way to put
>>> Fedora onto a tablet or smartphone?
>>>
>>> Ubuntu offers an intriguing compromise, for users of an Android
>>> phone. Hook up a keyboard and monitor and run Ubuntu, so you don't
>>> exactly have your full system in your hand, but you _do_ have it in
>>> your pocket. Pretty cool, but it's not KDE-Fedora!
>>>
>>> How do you go about it?
>>
>> this direction is completly wrong
>> a smartphone is not the same as a desktop-computer
>>
>> terrible enough that these days way too much developers
>> designing interfaces while optimize them for phones and
>> tablets which is plain stupid
>>
>> yes - i use a Galaxy S3
>> but i would not come to this train: everywhere the same
>>
>>
>>
> Did you know that a consensus is rapidly developing that the present
environment, with desktops (or mini-towers) and laptops dominating, will
give place totally to The Cloud, where all data will reside, and you will
access it using a smartphone with the occasional auxiliary keyboard and
screen? And print to the nearest wireless print server? What advice will
you have for the worker in a multinational or Fortune 100 enterprise that
decides to build a private Cloud and expects its workers to maintain all
data on The Cloud and work with it using smartphones and tablets, to the
exclusion of mini-towers and laptops?
>
> By now you are wondering, I'm sure, /Was is los/? Here is an article by
Jason Perlow at ZDNet, outlining the new Cloud-ed future:
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/cloud-haters-you-too-will-be-assimilated-712059/
>
> Temlakos
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Before we look at phones, we ought to question whether these Ubuntu phones
are going to sell. Though, considering the other aside of the argument,
hand-held data devices are the way computing seems to be headed.
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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Temlakos]

On 03/19/2013 03:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:


Am 19.03.2013 19:38, schrieb Peter Gueckel:

I have been looking at smartphones and tablets (I presently own
neither, due to outrageous monthly fees and lengthy contracts), as
I am starting to feel that I no longer want to do without mobility.

However, how does Fedora fit into this? Is there a way to put
Fedora onto a tablet or smartphone?

Ubuntu offers an intriguing compromise, for users of an Android
phone. Hook up a keyboard and monitor and run Ubuntu, so you don't
exactly have your full system in your hand, but you _do_ have it in
your pocket. Pretty cool, but it's not KDE-Fedora!

How do you go about it?

this direction is completly wrong
a smartphone is not the same as a desktop-computer

terrible enough that these days way too much developers
designing interfaces while optimize them for phones and
tablets which is plain stupid

yes - i use a Galaxy S3
but i would not come to this train: everywhere the same



Did you know that a consensus is rapidly developing that the present 
environment, with desktops (or mini-towers) and laptops dominating, will 
give place totally to The Cloud, where all data will reside, and you 
will access it using a smartphone with the occasional auxiliary keyboard 
and screen? And print to the nearest wireless print server? What advice 
will you have for the worker in a multinational or Fortune 100 
enterprise that decides to build a private Cloud and expects its workers 
to maintain all data on The Cloud and work with it using smartphones and 
tablets, to the exclusion of mini-towers and laptops?


By now you are wondering, I'm sure, /Was is los/? Here is an article by 
Jason Perlow at ZDNet, outlining the new Cloud-ed future:


http://www.zdnet.com/cloud-haters-you-too-will-be-assimilated-712059/

Temlakos
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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/19/2013 12:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

terrible enough that these days way too much developers
designing interfaces while optimize them for phones and
tablets which is plain stupid

yes - i use a Galaxy S3
but i would not come to this train: everywhere the same


Agreed.  A desktop/laptop DE isn't appropriate for a tablet, and the 
reverse is equally true.  What's needed, first, is a specially designed 
DE that can work with programs designed for other, more traditional 
Linux environments when needed.

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fixing a full overlay file on LiveCD

[Fernando Cassia]

When booting a LiveCD with persistant storage, the so-called casper
file or loop device.

The problem is that when it fills up, instead of becoming read-only
gracefully, it becomes corrupted and you lose access to all data you
had there, unless you follow a somewhat convoluted procedure -which
involves hex editing the loop storage file to remove the corrupted
flag-

It is explained here (check the last few messages on the thread):
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.device-mapper.devel/14644

So, following my -still unanswered last time I checked- request about
a Linux distro that implements read-write F2FS access to the pen
drive, I have to ask: has anyone coded the manual recovery procedure
outlined in the above url into a tool or bash script that an end user
can run without messing with hex editors?

I have an old F16 pen drive with had persistant storage until I filled
the drive and lost access to all contents of the persisence file...

Now all I get when booting with the persistant option is
/dev/mapper/live-rw can' t read superblock
about a dozen times which matches the symptoms outlined above.

TIA
FC

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Re: [389-users] 389 hang while upgrading from 1.2.2 to 1.2.10

[Rich Megginson]

On 03/18/2013 11:39 AM, Roberto Polli wrote:


Hi all,

while upgrading with yum from 1.2.2 to 1.2.10, 389 hang while in ns-slapd

upgradedb.

gdb says it's in ldbm_ancestorid_create_index(), but it's running from 
3hrs on


an almost-empty database (there are just a few test entries).

Can somebody shed some light on that?



I don't know.   We never tested upgrade from 1.2.2 directly to 1.2.10.

Looks like you might need to do a manual db upgrade procedure, even 
though you should not be affected by the subtree rename conditions, as in

http://port389.org/wiki/Subtree_Rename#warning:_upgrade_from_389_v1.2.6_.28a.3F.2C_rc1_.7E_rc6.29_to_v1.2.6_rc6_or_newer


Thank you very much + Peace,

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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Jorge Martínez López]

Hi!

2013/3/19 Peter Gueckel :
> I have been looking at smartphones and tablets (I presently own
> neither, due to outrageous monthly fees and lengthy contracts), as
> I am starting to feel that I no longer want to do without mobility.
>
> However, how does Fedora fit into this? Is there a way to put
> Fedora onto a tablet or smartphone?

AFAIK, not at the moment.

> Ubuntu offers an intriguing compromise, for users of an Android
> phone. Hook up a keyboard and monitor and run Ubuntu, so you don't
> exactly have your full system in your hand, but you _do_ have it in
> your pocket. Pretty cool, but it's not KDE-Fedora!
>
> How do you go about it?

Well, that's the direction that Ubuntu is taking. I am not sure if
enough developers will embrace it so enough good quality mobile
applications are available compared to other platforms.

The way I see it Fedora is pushing to be the best desktop environment.
If this same desktop experience can be ported to a tablet or a mobile
is something that we have yet to see. Just because you can do it it
doesn't mean it is a good idea.

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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 19.03.2013 19:38, schrieb Peter Gueckel:
> I have been looking at smartphones and tablets (I presently own 
> neither, due to outrageous monthly fees and lengthy contracts), as 
> I am starting to feel that I no longer want to do without mobility.
> 
> However, how does Fedora fit into this? Is there a way to put 
> Fedora onto a tablet or smartphone?
> 
> Ubuntu offers an intriguing compromise, for users of an Android 
> phone. Hook up a keyboard and monitor and run Ubuntu, so you don't 
> exactly have your full system in your hand, but you _do_ have it in 
> your pocket. Pretty cool, but it's not KDE-Fedora!
> 
> How do you go about it?

this direction is completly wrong
a smartphone is not the same as a desktop-computer

terrible enough that these days way too much developers
designing interfaces while optimize them for phones and
tablets which is plain stupid

yes - i use a Galaxy S3
but i would not come to this train: everywhere the same



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Re: External monitor not working in newer Kernels

[Paolo Galtieri]

On 03/19/13 01:39, Thomas Waldecker wrote:

Hi,

my external monitor (HDMI) stopped to work after the update from
kernel 3.7.8-202.fc18.i686

I'm using MATE and with the System > Preferences > Monitor Preferences
tool I'm trying to enable the second screen.

The second screen is just black in kernel 3.8.3 and 3.8.2.

Please let me know if you need some debugging info.

Kind regards,
Thomas Waldecker

I'm running mate on F18 and I cannot configure my monitor.  It shows up 
as unknown with a resolution of 1280x1024 when the monitor is capable of 
supporting 1920x1200.  In fact the monitor is plugged into a kvm switch 
with 2 other systems, one running F14 and the other running F16.  The 
F14 and F16 systems see the monitor and configure it correctly to 
1920x1200.  I have filed bug 922596 on this.  It also fails with Gnome 
3.0.  There it detects the monitor as laptop and sets the resolution to 
1280x1024.  The monitor is actually a Gateway FPD2485W.


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I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

[Peter Gueckel]

I have been looking at smartphones and tablets (I presently own 
neither, due to outrageous monthly fees and lengthy contracts), as 
I am starting to feel that I no longer want to do without mobility.

However, how does Fedora fit into this? Is there a way to put 
Fedora onto a tablet or smartphone?

Ubuntu offers an intriguing compromise, for users of an Android 
phone. Hook up a keyboard and monitor and run Ubuntu, so you don't 
exactly have your full system in your hand, but you _do_ have it in 
your pocket. Pretty cool, but it's not KDE-Fedora!

How do you go about it?

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Re: Kernel Upgrade Display Issues....

[Anthony Messina]

On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 01:19:06 PM Eddie O'Connor wrote:
> After recently upgrading to the latest kernel, my display has gone berserk!
> It logs in with the 1024x768 resolution, and I have to reset it for
> 1200x1600. After I reset it, after a minute or two, it blinks and goes back
> to the 1024x768. Is anyone else experiencing this problem?

You don't say what your graphics driver is, but this may be related:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922304

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Re: Auth failure with uid >= 1000 on fc18

[Gordon Messmer]

On 03/19/2013 08:55 AM, Alex wrote:

It appears that you're saying ssh as root would fail because of the
UID >=1000 and pam_deny


PAM is complex.

If the password is successful against pam_unix, processing stops.  For 
any user that successfully authenticates with pam_unix, none of the 
remaining items are processed.


The system's behavior is different for users with uid < 1000 and users 
with uid >= 1000.  For uids < 1000, it is pam_succeed_if which stops the 
processing of PAM and causes the authentication to fail.  Again, that 
only applies when authentication to pam_unix has already failed.


For users with uid >= 1000, pam_unix can fail, and processing will 
continue.  If sss is configured for LDAP or KRB5 authentication, for 
instance, pam_unix can fail because passwords aren't in the unix 
password files.  Processing continues past pam_unix, past 
pam_succeed_if, and on to pam_sss.  If authentication to pam_sss 
succeeds, then processing stops.  If pam_sss also fails, then pam_deny 
is used to stop processing and indicate an authentication failure.



, but it works on my system, yet still gives
that error (sometimes). Can I ask you to clarify how it relates to
remote root access?


If you see a message from pam_succeed_if in your logs, you'll find that 
it directly follows an error indicating that pam_unix authentication 
failed.  That message appears as one of several messages that are logged 
when "root" fails password authentication.



Somehow remote ssh root access works on my system, so I don't
understand which pam module would be denying access?


pam_succeeed_if denies access IF password authentication failed.


Also, why are the UIDs hardcoded in pam.d files when there is
/etc/login.defs? How does that file apply to this?


Also complex:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/1000SystemAccounts


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Kernel Upgrade Display Issues....

[Eddie O'Connor]

After recently upgrading to the latest kernel, my display has gone berserk!
It logs in with the 1024x768 resolution, and I have to reset it for
1200x1600. After I reset it, after a minute or two, it blinks and goes back
to the 1024x768. Is anyone else experiencing this problem?

Laptop Model: Gateway T-6321
4 GB RAM
Fedora 18 w/ Gnome 3.x Desktop Environment
320GB HDD


Thanks in Advance




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Re: Auth failure with uid >= 1000 on fc18

[Alex]

Hi,
>> I am trying to ssh into my fc18 server as root and have the following
>> message in syslog:
>>
>> Mar 18 18:29:20 bwipropnew sshd[12473]: pam_succeed_if(sshd:auth):
>> requirement "uid >= 1000" not met by user "root"
>
> You'll see that after an auth failure for any account with uid < 1000:
> Mar 18 23:11:47 vagabond unix_chkpwd[6076]: password check failed for user
> (root)
> Mar 18 23:11:47 vagabond sshd[6073]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication
> failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=localhost  user=root
> Mar 18 23:11:47 vagabond sshd[6073]: pam_succeed_if(sshd:auth): requirement
> "uid >= 1000" not met by user "root"
> Mar 18 23:11:50 vagabond sshd[6073]: Failed password for root from ::1 port
> 51784 ssh2
>
> The standard config looks like this:
>
> authrequired  pam_env.so
> authsufficientpam_unix.so nullok try_first_pass
>
> authrequisite pam_succeed_if.so uid >= 1000 quiet_success
> authrequired  pam_deny.so
>
> pam_env sets or unsets environment variables and succeeds.
>
> pam_unix will process the password provided.  If the password is correct,
> this list will stop processing.  If not...
>
> pam_succeed_if will succeed for user accounts and then pass to pam_deny,
> which causes the authentication attempt to fail.
>
> pam_succeed_if will fail immediately for system accounts, without using
> pam_deny.
>
> If you're using LDAP or KRB5 authentication, it will appear in between those
> two lines.  That authentication module (pam_sss normally) will be usable by
> users with uid >= 1000, but not by system user accounts.

It appears that you're saying ssh as root would fail because of the
UID >=1000 and pam_deny, but it works on my system, yet still gives
that error (sometimes). Can I ask you to clarify how it relates to
remote root access?

Somehow remote ssh root access works on my system, so I don't
understand which pam module would be denying access?

Also, why are the UIDs hardcoded in pam.d files when there is
/etc/login.defs? How does that file apply to this?

Thanks,
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Re: Help me make backups better on GNU/Linux

[Gordon Messmer]

On 03/19/2013 04:22 AM, Neal Becker wrote:

check out obnam.  I'm very pleased with it.


That's not at all the same thing.

You cannot back up files in active use safely.  If you have a SQL 
server, for instance, you need to either shut it down or quiesce the 
data files for the entire duration of the backup.  On production 
systems, that creates an outage that's unacceptable.


While GNU/Linux systems support making a snapshot of their filesystems 
in order to reduce the duration of any outage, there is no standard 
infrastructure to do so, and no integration with the services that need 
to make their data consistent for backup.  That is what I'm hoping to 
provide.


By including a standard snapshot infrastructure, you can back up a 
system safely and servers only need to quiesce their data for a moment, 
while the snapshot is made, rather than the full duration of the backup.

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Re: Transferring files to/from Android phone

[Michael Cronenworth]

On 03/19/2013 08:41 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:
> This topic has been discussed several times before. With the recent
> update to KDE 4.10.1, Fedora (KDE) seems to be able to do this:
> Now, from Dolphin I can browse my phone as an "MTP-device", the
> internal memory as well as the SD-card. 

Yes, and Gnome 3.8 will be able to do the same thing as GVFS now has
native MTP support.
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looking for Grub2 string

[Frank Murphy]

Cannot seem to find in the /etc/grub.d/* , /boot/grub2/*
where the file is that contains the string:
"Welcome to grub"

more likely echo "Welcome...

non-graphical boot-up.

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RE: Transferring files to/from Android phone

[Alan Gagne]

This topic has been discussed several times before. With the recent
update to KDE 4.10.1, Fedora (KDE) seems to be able to do this:
Now, from Dolphin I can browse my phone as an "MTP-device", the internal
memory as well as the SD-card.


Works as well on Gnome Desktop.

Alan
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Transferring files to/from Android phone

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

This topic has been discussed several times before. With the recent 
update to KDE 4.10.1, Fedora (KDE) seems to be able to do this:
Now, from Dolphin I can browse my phone as an "MTP-device", the internal 
memory as well as the SD-card.

Klaus
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Re: Printer setup headache

[Jim]

On 03/19/2013 08:34 AM, Jim wrote:

On 03/18/2013 11:40 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:

On 3/18/13, Jim  wrote:

Then why is this same driver crashing on some Fedora installs but not
others.
I have talk to Samsung and they don't see any problems.
I firmly believe it is a problem between  fedora and setup.

Are they running the same version of Fedora?  Your syslog indicates
the crash is happening somewhere in glibc.  There's a chance there's a
regression in glibc (though when the blame lies between some binary
driver and a core system library that's exihibiting no other problems,
I tend to blame the former first).  If you can figure out what version
of glibc breaks it, you could file a bug against glibc and maybe get
it fixed.

A stack trace would be really useful here, but getting one when its a
CUPS filter that's crashing is tricky.  Sadly it seems abrt is
throwing away the coredump because the crashing binary doesn't belong
to a RPM package.  :-(

-T.C.
1. I'm using glibc-2.16-28.fc18 on a PC , and this is the box that 
won't print, used same install DVD.


2  I'm using glibc-2.16-28.fc18 on a Mini-Laptop that is using same 
install DVD, and install of printer went off with no errors , it 
prints without any errors.
Something else I noticed, the Printer Queue does not come up in Tray 
when doing a print job.

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Re: Printer setup headache

[Jim]

On 03/18/2013 11:40 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:

On 3/18/13, Jim  wrote:

Then why is this same driver crashing on some Fedora installs but not
others.
I have talk to Samsung and they don't see any problems.
I firmly believe it is a problem between  fedora and setup.

Are they running the same version of Fedora?  Your syslog indicates
the crash is happening somewhere in glibc.  There's a chance there's a
regression in glibc (though when the blame lies between some binary
driver and a core system library that's exihibiting no other problems,
I tend to blame the former first).  If you can figure out what version
of glibc breaks it, you could file a bug against glibc and maybe get
it fixed.

A stack trace would be really useful here, but getting one when its a
CUPS filter that's crashing is tricky.  Sadly it seems abrt is
throwing away the coredump because the crashing binary doesn't belong
to a RPM package.  :-(

-T.C.
1. I'm using glibc-2.16-28.fc18 on a PC , and this is the box that won't 
print, used same install DVD.


2  I'm using glibc-2.16-28.fc18 on a Mini-Laptop that is using same 
install DVD, and install of printer went off with no errors , it prints 
without any errors.

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Re: Help me make backups better on GNU/Linux

[Neal Becker]

Gordon Messmer wrote:

> After publicly bitching about Linux's poor backup infrastructure for the
> hundredth time, I decided to write a common system for making snapshots.
> I've written the first iteration in bash.  It took one day to do most of
> the work, and then a few hours of testing and fixing to get things
> working reasonably well.
> 
> https://bitbucket.org/gordonmessmer/dragonsdawn-snapshot
> 
> At this point, there's enough working for other people to start looking
> at.  Systems with ext3/4 filesystems on LVM are supported.  btrfs will
> follow.  PostgreSQL has a script to make its data consistent, but other
> common systems like MySQL, OpenLDAP, and 389 DS need similar support.
> Documentation needs to be written.  A few architectural issues need to
> be ironed out.
> 
> If you're interested in improving the state of backups on GNU/Linux,
> please have a look and contact me if you want to help with code,
> testing, documentation, packaging, or maintaining packages in Fedora.  I
> would very much like to see this project become a standard feature of
> GNU/Linux installs.

check out obnam.  I'm very pleased with it.

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Re: How To Adjust Image Options When Setting Desktop Background...

[Rejy M Cyriac]

On 03/19/2013 02:03 AM, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 03/18/2013 09:25 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
>> On 03/17/2013 04:13 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
>>> On 03/18/2013 04:00 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
 On 03/17/2013 11:10 AM, Richard Vickery wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2013 9:09 PM, "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr."
> mailto:eoconno...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Figured I'd have to re-name the subject line in order to get a
> response? Here's the original inquiry again:
> >
> > I seem to recall someone posting the procedure to "restoring" the
> Options for setting a desktop background
> (Center-Scale-Zoom-Tiles-etc) I have a friend who's Dell Inspirion
> laptop was on its last legs, so I assisted them in installing F18,
> but the feature for handling the desktop background is
> gone...(missing? kidnapped?) Can anyone help with what needs to be
> done in order to get it back?
> >
> > Thanks To All
> >
> >
> > EGO II
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> I have a Dell Inspirion  1420 and found this feature - in Gnome
> after clicking the user in the upper right corner, System Settings
> --> Background (all of which is probably redundant as you have
> probably done this) - then, with seemingly the same issue you have
> where there are no buttons, after days I found that clicking the
> image is where the access point is.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Richard
>
>

 "after days I found that clicking the image is where the access
 point is" I'm thinking you mean the actual picture you want to be
 set as your background? Yeah, I'm clicking on that and I still get
 no settings that will allow me to set whether the background is
 Tiled.Centered...Fills the screen...Scales to size etc. I
 wonder if there's a configuration file that can be altered?and
 Thanks for the reply!!


 EGO II

>>> I'm not sure which desktop you are using (Gnome, KDE, etc) but I am
>>> using KDE and have the desktop configured to folder view in F18 and
>>> if you right click on the background then select "Folder View
>>> Properties" from the subsequent dialog, the next dialog displayed
>>> defaults to the view setting where there is a "positioning" drop down
>>> which has all the options selectable that you are looking for.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>> I'm still using the Gnome desktop, (I happen to find it very
>> appealing...although a lot of folks don't!) And I've just tried
>> Richard's solution, which I THOUGHT was working, apparently, it's not.
>> But it's ok. I will continue to check the config files for gnome and
>> see what I can find. thanks for your help!
>>
>>
>> EGO II
>>
> If you are using Gnome, I read in one of the Australian Magazines a
> while ago that the Gnome developers removed a lot of the configuration
> options from Gnome 3, and there there was a tool that could be
> downloaded that reintroduced a number of them that the magazine
> recommended as being the first download that should be done for Gnome 3.
> Unfortunately I don't remember the name of the tool and I don't have the
> article anymore as I stopped using Gnome the first time I tried it when
> I found that I couldn't right click on the desktop and create
> application links.
> 
> regards,
> Steve
> 
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 

You might be referring to 'gnome-tweak-tool' .

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