Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 05:04:56PM -0400, David wrote: > On 8/8/2013 4:47 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 08/08/2013 01:34 PM, David wrote: > >> I can certainly agree with not following the Daily/Nightly, Alphas and > >> Betas but the official(s) IMHO should arrive more quickly. > > > > The people doing the packaging and testing aren't exactly getting paid > > for their work. If you want the new releases available sooner, there's > > nothing stopping you from helping out. > > > Joe did you not read where I said that I was asking for the 'regular > Fedora Community users', sucjh as you, and not for myself? And that I > was asking because so many other Linux distributions already have them. > I already have the latest releases. > > As for 'helping out'? No. I can't. Programing and computers is not my > field. My field is mechanical design and engendering. Before digital > calculators and computers we used pencils, paper, chalk boards, and > slide rules. :-) Brings me back to the old days. You certainly spell like an engereer. I know. I are one, also mehanical and design. Save your 2H lead, the drafting board shall return!!! -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped Homeland Security agents who fail to see the humor in Doctor Strangelove signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Frozen
On Thu, 8 Aug 2013, Patrick Dupre wrote: Thank, Here more information Hello, On a fedora 19 laptop, I use to experience frosing of the screen. It may have different matter, like unable to compose in a terminal window (but sill able to use the mouse), or in the worst situation, the screen remains black (no way to use the keyboard), ie. I need to unpluck the laptop and remove the battery. This looks like to linked to the screen locking. I do not use a screensaver. I do not know how to debug this issue! Can I get some helps? Thank. There are two things that immediately come to mind. The first is that you don't have the right driver for your graphics card. The symptoms you describe used to happen to me all the time, but in recent fedora releases, it's been pretty good at figuring out the right driver. You might need to tell folk what laptop you have and what kind of graphics it has. Dell Inspiron 9400, The setting says: Gallium 0.4 on ATI RV515 (1440 x 900) I did not experience this issue on a fedora 16 (on the same laptop) Well, that may be a problem, though you are bouncing up against the limit of my knowledge. The Dell Inspiron 9400 is *supposed* to have an NVidia 7900 graphics card. So, unless the graphics card has been replaced, you may well be running the wrong driver. It's been so long since I had a problem like that I don't really remember all the steps I took to fix it. Generally, the idea went like this: 1) Install the OS with a basic, generic driver (such as VESA). That should get you some sort of usable GUI and let you get the desktop up. 2) Find out what driver you should use and either download or install it. I don't know which driver that is, sorry. The last time I had a laptop with an NVidia card, I had to download and install it from NVidia. 3) Reboot. No guarantee on that, though. billo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Change device/partition label
On 08/08/2013 02:52 PM, Mark Haney wrote: > I know this is an easy one, but I can't seem to find the current > correct way to do it. I've got a TB HDD that I need to change the > LABEL on. Currently it's 'LIVE' (it's an old production drive) and I > really want to just remove the label altogether and mount it with the > UUID of the drive. > > What's the best and most current way to do it? I was thinking e2label > will do it, but it's been so long since I've done it, I'm playing it > safe. > > Ideas? Disks (from the Gnome Shell) or gnome-disks from a shell. Click on the "gears" icon on the partition and select Edit Filesystem to change the label. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On 08/08/2013 03:26 PM, David wrote: What little 'programing skills' I have, or had, was Dos Basic, IBM OS/2 Warp Rexx, and copying Commodore 64 programs from magazines. Long lost ancient skills. :-) I certainly did not intend to hurt your feelings. Or those of anyone else. Don't worry, you didn't. I just thought it was better to explain why I help the way I do because it shows that I understand that not everybody has the time, skills or interest needed to do that type of work. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On 8/8/2013 6:01 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/08/2013 02:44 PM, David wrote: >> Gee. That I did not know. So you help here then? As a maintainer or >> something? > > No. My programming skills are several decades out of date. I help (or > try to) by sharing my computer and Linux knowledge and by trying to find > answers to questions. Or, to put it more simply, I'm still doing tech > support, not because I'm paid to do it, but because I want to and like > the idea that what I know is still useful. What little 'programing skills' I have, or had, was Dos Basic, IBM OS/2 Warp Rexx, and copying Commodore 64 programs from magazines. Long lost ancient skills. :-) I certainly did not intend to hurt your feelings. Or those of anyone else. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On 8/8/2013 6:09 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:18 PM, David wrote: >> Thank you for that. So tell me wwy the Xulrunner dependency for Firefox >> came out right away, it alwyas does, and Firefox was delayed? As it >> always is. > > It looks like the maintainer made a mistake and accidentally bumped > the version in the RPM wrong, so Firefox 23 did get released at the > same time, but rpm thought it was Firefox 22. I imagine the Firefox > maintainers a few scripts so they can get updates out really fast, but > this time they (or it) tripped up and pass a wrong argument to them or > something. Us package maintainers are human too. ;-) > > A tester caught it four whole hours after the update was submitted, > and three hours after that it was fixed (most of which was probably > spent waiting for it to build ;-). This didn't even delay it from > making the day's updates-testing push. Which is proof that 'stuff happens'. :-) I see. And thank you for that. I certainly did not mean to create a problem with a simple question. Thanks again. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:18 PM, David wrote: > Thank you for that. So tell me wwy the Xulrunner dependency for Firefox > came out right away, it alwyas does, and Firefox was delayed? As it > always is. It looks like the maintainer made a mistake and accidentally bumped the version in the RPM wrong, so Firefox 23 did get released at the same time, but rpm thought it was Firefox 22. I imagine the Firefox maintainers a few scripts so they can get updates out really fast, but this time they (or it) tripped up and pass a wrong argument to them or something. Us package maintainers are human too. ;-) A tester caught it four whole hours after the update was submitted, and three hours after that it was fixed (most of which was probably spent waiting for it to build ;-). This didn't even delay it from making the day's updates-testing push. -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On 08/08/2013 02:44 PM, David wrote: Gee. That I did not know. So you help here then? As a maintainer or something? No. My programming skills are several decades out of date. I help (or try to) by sharing my computer and Linux knowledge and by trying to find answers to questions. Or, to put it more simply, I'm still doing tech support, not because I'm paid to do it, but because I want to and like the idea that what I know is still useful. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On 8/8/2013 5:37 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/08/2013 02:08 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: >> Otherwise, it takes a couple days for us to test updates and get them >> into the stable repository. A two-day turnaround on something that >> updates as often as Firefox is perfectly reasonable. > > And, if you don't have the skills to do the packaging, being a tester is > a very good way to help out and pay the community back for some of the > help it gives to anybody who asks. In reply to T.C. Hollingsworth: 6 weeks is concidered often? In reply to Joe: I used to buy the disks instead of downloading. I also was a dues paying charter member of the Mandrake Users Club. You have seen Adam Williamson around here? He was the list monkey. By guys. You have a good evening. Back to work for me. project deadline. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On 8/8/2013 5:35 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/08/2013 02:04 PM, David wrote: >> Joe did you not read where I said that I was asking for the 'regular >> Fedora Community users', sucjh as you, and not for myself? And that I >> was asking because so many other Linux distributions already have them. >> I already have the latest releases. > > What makes you think I'm a "regular Fedora Community user?" I've > decades of computer experience, done programming work in FORTRAN and > PL/1 at JPL and spend almost eight years doing tech support for an ISP > because I found out that I was good at it and enjoyed it. That's why I > infest this list and two Fedora help forums: not mostly to get help, but > to give it. I don't package or maintain programs because I'm retired > now, and that's too much like work, but I like helping others, so I do > my share by trying to give advice when asked. I'm presuming that you're > still working and don't have time to learn how to prepare new versions > of Firefox/Thunderbird for Fedora, and that's OK. Just remember that > those who are doing it also work and have to get this done in their > Copious Free Time. Gee. That I did not know. So you help here then? As a maintainer or something? -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/8/2013 5:33 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 08.08.2013 23:12, schrieb David: >> I can not say anything about "extensions installed with yum". I >> use the official extensions from Mozilla. And they work >> regardless what Fedora does. > > well, so don't complainif you can't say anything > >>> "long before* is laughable in case of FF23 >> I was using Firefox 23 when it was a Daily Is that long before >> where you live > > who cares in context of the official release? > > these are *completly* different binaries with completly different > shared libraries and a different compiler, they have *nothing* > common with distribution packages The Linux Firefox 23 that was released by Mozilla on Tuesday works just fine with the official Firefox extension that come from Mozilla. *If* the is a problem with the rpm that Fedora provides/// Sounds like a fedora problem to me. > >> I asked a question. Is that *not* what this list if for. Asking >> questions. > > but you refused the answers and started to argue with > snapshot-builds and whatever - so no you are not helping much with > your hurry two days after the release, the people who care have it > already and the others have no problem actually > >> One thing it appears that I did do was to pi$$ you off. Byr. >> Please go argue with yourself > > the only thing which is pissing me off is when people refuse to > understand well suited explanations I have already gotten a perfectly good explanation. That the release is still in update-testing. While other distro have already released it to the public. I have to much respect to post names but there are three well known names that I currently have installed that do. Already have said goodbye. Sorry. I forgot you need to get in the last word. So? Your turn. - -- David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSBBB1AAoJEI7mbDIOYu+oxuwP/2SWW2lJqUzYZf/vb/PT3HyQ pvekGjQoJlnDXHP+Eq/tCSLoBbUv1ixZmp6J3bMt1KaaZkClk6YTPd3RzIRFFnlr WEV1CoYjBsqae7MCKq86c8Zndwyx8WLJaMtF6F6jkbfiiFoKNIxIC3PgDcmAjuu1 a7dRDrugcIKTl9MGxWLJvBNK6h4EdkLYnkZf+2ozJzAkY9RSwoX9LxO22ZDXGpx1 K8jj14YBqkOnHjzjZmQLXlaohvDcP30cUdWRNvbH68KhpOlY4KIWjn4kU40S1USU ujJnqWXkPpTHZKDj02CijIsLIho3nhGAH7Sixn0GD9kdEc+/qXPoQd1HAb7Botzh 8rRs/4lqBj2uT/C77TMGI9HDY+VYjiQCiOLk33vkblyaCTvM+eaGYjBeM7Jzu6QL 3I4uZLHEQmxIV23FYpTDXFbCiqxtg2h8Gu+p80P8o+eDXIiukQQlFbhumWIpfjDo yvtfym3W+N7J0k+QtXBQqC6s01aTupvYDd6Y0mHMG/ooaWBM9swTWaOWJvOdD7SV Li9LKdTLqnGONgMpL+J1SEcpHpGbh6B9hvDJwPRgsAB+9DckD/r0/8AczRtNBDhx BeMzxHbWvKZ/V7hCd2mzfAQI5ucEMhOnQXIO7avmHtvkBMloroORdpZpKh8TCHIR EWWr1sdoZkrtJk07rFNz =nQ4p -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On 08/08/2013 02:08 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: Otherwise, it takes a couple days for us to test updates and get them into the stable repository. A two-day turnaround on something that updates as often as Firefox is perfectly reasonable. And, if you don't have the skills to do the packaging, being a tester is a very good way to help out and pay the community back for some of the help it gives to anybody who asks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On 08/08/2013 02:04 PM, David wrote: Joe did you not read where I said that I was asking for the 'regular Fedora Community users', sucjh as you, and not for myself? And that I was asking because so many other Linux distributions already have them. I already have the latest releases. What makes you think I'm a "regular Fedora Community user?" I've decades of computer experience, done programming work in FORTRAN and PL/1 at JPL and spend almost eight years doing tech support for an ISP because I found out that I was good at it and enjoyed it. That's why I infest this list and two Fedora help forums: not mostly to get help, but to give it. I don't package or maintain programs because I'm retired now, and that's too much like work, but I like helping others, so I do my share by trying to give advice when asked. I'm presuming that you're still working and don't have time to learn how to prepare new versions of Firefox/Thunderbird for Fedora, and that's OK. Just remember that those who are doing it also work and have to get this done in their Copious Free Time. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Change device/partition label
On Aug 8, 2013 5:18 PM, "g" wrote: > > > > On 08/08/2013 02:52 PM, Mark Haney wrote: > <> > >> What's the best and most current way to do it? I was thinking e2label >> will do it, but it's been so long since I've done it, I'm playing it >> safe. > > > can not say about an lvm drive as i do not like them. > > _man_ e2label_ should refresh your memory. :=) > Fortunately it's not an lvm drive. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On 8/8/2013 5:08 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:34 PM, David wrote: >> Not to insult anyone but... This same situation happens with each >> official Mozilla release. >> >> I can certainly agree with not following the Daily/Nightly, Alphas and >> Betas but the official(s) IMHO should arrive more quickly. > > *All* Fedora updates must go to updates-testing first, and they must > receive at least 2 positive votes from the testing community to get > pushed stable, or else wait a week in updates-testing. > > Firefox 23 was submitted for updates-testing mere hours after its > release and got +5 before it even made it to testing (from people > downloading it directly from the buildsystem), so it'll be pushed to > the stable repository in a few hours. > > If you must have the absolute latest software on your computer at all > times, enable updates-testing: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Updates_Testing > > Otherwise, it takes a couple days for us to test updates and get them > into the stable repository. A two-day turnaround on something that > updates as often as Firefox is perfectly reasonable. Thank you for that. So tell me wwy the Xulrunner dependency for Firefox came out right away, it alwyas does, and Firefox was delayed? As it always is. As I have said several times in this thread... I am *not complaining* I was only asking why the delay. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Change device/partition label
On 08/08/2013 02:52 PM, Mark Haney wrote: <> What's the best and most current way to do it? I was thinking e2label will do it, but it's been so long since I've done it, I'm playing it safe. can not say about an lvm drive as i do not like them. _man_ e2label_ should refresh your memory. :=) -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. sl6.3 linux tc.hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/8/2013 5:09 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 08.08.2013 23:04, schrieb David: >> On 8/8/2013 4:47 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >>> On 08/08/2013 01:34 PM, David wrote: I can certainly agree with not following the Daily/Nightly, Alphas and Betas but the official(s) IMHO should arrive more quickly. >>> >>> The people doing the packaging and testing aren't exactly >>> getting paid for their work. If you want the new releases >>> available sooner, there's nothing stopping you from helping >>> out. >> >> Joe did you not read where I said that I was asking for the >> 'regular Fedora Community users' > > no, you did only make noise, not more and not less > > updates are released after they gone thorugh updates-testing > period > > if whatever distribution fires them out without -> their problem > period > > so *what* is the problem you think you solved by impatience? > > > I asked a question. Is that *not* what this list if for. Asking questions. One thing it appears that I did do was to pi$$ you off. Byr. Please go argue with yourself. - -- David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSBApKAAoJEI7mbDIOYu+oqNYP/14gQgEC1wl40NbjJxE8mLi+ sLF5Wgy8GU/u2Khpp3Jp/RVbBmfv3eGECMpb3aDb7qnBfeNDzTTMnUJUQZKU9IUW qUtkp9wYTtLCkKVbOtx/v1VOagG7U6hu915jem7RBnrLdmv04iv1qDtVelXujTt+ SC4j5/NENa5Q1VTBjis6rncOdgaLkZZVel6iNbV/IM7+YRV6wQN/Ss1D0ay8OvpB iyLgwrKWrg9SkU4iSXzcihyV6YnZlzHvNpl3/4WQYbQHXwkbMI8E91+dmQJAgHq0 8lwOpaTTPsQAcwg/W0MhV69KJn49Wd3/BAf5xqgK+0RtFee1jkMTuaE2jyEXoM4c +IH+HMlNhpK4YYQ0U9zhJbIdaDSwWpWodsgV+cVP2DgzwCxbl/8+XKQFzKorq6NB aGJree8MIgfopP5H4xSbkK1TwFCXLjWUASgCTIpiGWJjJg+3sGTGfBrGu1pc3b7E yMTBeO6FUb4FqNj/ROztnzIEl7F0ngEq0uT5hK5CF5ZgNeJiiHme7kYgwgsqqIgw ISqmC6vg/2QRUPbnVOFAH4+/jQRVqmuMAfvbWp6gBdwghlGy3osPsVyZKwFVZDt2 uqksGPZ7kfsX/WLnCp9kA29vWceieHGbUOcm6cSTkN5QiEOEqpocMQWlsDsu+dQm RUkkI+VJ8Zgrb9z1vzrn =y+Xw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/8/2013 5:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 08.08.2013 22:56, schrieb David: >> On 8/8/2013 4:39 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >>> Am 08.08.2013 22:34, schrieb David: On 8/8/2013 4:26 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> I was wondering if there was some problem here with >> Fedora > mostly bad timing > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=977325 Not to insult anyone but... This same situation happens with each official Mozilla release. I can certainly agree with not following the Daily/Nightly, Alphas and Betas but the official(s) IMHO should arrive more quickly >> >>> and you would be probably one of the first starting to cry loud >>> if things are broken after untested updates. >> >>> and "broken" oftly differs between usecases >> >>> for me the iditoic chnages to remove options and show the >>> damned tabs *always* even if there is only one and even if your >>> web-app opens a popupd and explicitly requests *no bars, no >>> bullshit, only a window* is broken but i can live with it >> >> You must have missed the part in this thread where I wrote that I >> have been using the Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird version long >> before? > > "long before* is laughable in case of FF23 I was using Firefox 23 when it was a Daily'. Is that long before where you live> > >> One expects those to break from time to time. And you must have >> missed, again in this thread, where I wrote that I had offical >> Firefox and Thunderbird updates on Tuesday Aug 6? > > and now it is thursday so what is your exactly problem? > > are you taken repsonsibility that extensions installed with yum are > not broken after a new version? if they need a update do you take > responsibility for coordinate FF/TB/XULrunner/Extensions packaging, > testing and rollout? > > no? so what... > >> As for the other things that you dislike? Those have been active >> for months in the pre-releases and writen about for the same >> time. There have been several articles about how to change those >> items too > > blabla - the options for hide the tab-bar are there in > about:config but it does not change anything - i am using Firefox > since it even had not the name "Firefox" and was known as > "Firebird" > I can not say anything about "extensions installed with yum". I use the official extensions from Mozilla. And they work regardless what Fedora does. I'm done here. You have a nice day. Or evening. What ever it is where you are. - -- David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSBAnaAAoJEI7mbDIOYu+oIjwQAKNYq2uYeVBTU3o0oSBVrbnC HM8NpKI0ZZdtHTm1dXWp80yudfekhVU32hDC0xkxlnjwJx/yFhOXfG4/1OXP0s++ OLjIiSlFzZeqXUHZlzQWFzvOTsvHEtU3AEp5wKUA944rg2ltj/GZ1Ah4melb14HO NhwQRwv8oGwI9Xsecck0828zO5vmuS9IBM87a19CWVMr1eAnW+Tdw5gs8W/bAEFl Z4Zt1q17nO2cs4LytcGUHRyBFGy0KN7dbyG3eTo+UGs7yLhGzGbidMPNKQkPEqbx tqGaJ8CfjLW7Mq9362EKbHIEqCRjIKMJT4PM1xaGLGqGlMS+yiiWarccTCa+GYf0 QbToq/QEqx26CFIvbafXm6NgyjyTUg081gIf5fuT02L/I84vf246f9tBhilAjwtH MUZRfUH69bVIDb9Q21OgXJcmNtGdcsFl975jryREY8yBwH3z6oyDbX7x7m2X0T6h Ph9N/kG/FVqbRMtUxLiZOUn9M1B0SN6EBgKYUZEMUWNkLzAemefPCdBUrA/yxyfu ijN75/Q2R/4nvA6d9NedUkYDrbXLQz2G8dkOzsgLCj9ha9EcoAcYvyPyAlVquoiq lMEGLFH7LN9d+h5fIxZaU0O4hKrxvpl5zMYS2H9iJ7sjzPIZs2B/W/VgdKyDgOVa hm/39GiXmNApY/DVdmDk =hQ36 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:34 PM, David wrote: > Not to insult anyone but... This same situation happens with each > official Mozilla release. > > I can certainly agree with not following the Daily/Nightly, Alphas and > Betas but the official(s) IMHO should arrive more quickly. *All* Fedora updates must go to updates-testing first, and they must receive at least 2 positive votes from the testing community to get pushed stable, or else wait a week in updates-testing. Firefox 23 was submitted for updates-testing mere hours after its release and got +5 before it even made it to testing (from people downloading it directly from the buildsystem), so it'll be pushed to the stable repository in a few hours. If you must have the absolute latest software on your computer at all times, enable updates-testing: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Updates_Testing Otherwise, it takes a couple days for us to test updates and get them into the stable repository. A two-day turnaround on something that updates as often as Firefox is perfectly reasonable. -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On 8/8/2013 4:47 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/08/2013 01:34 PM, David wrote: >> I can certainly agree with not following the Daily/Nightly, Alphas and >> Betas but the official(s) IMHO should arrive more quickly. > > The people doing the packaging and testing aren't exactly getting paid > for their work. If you want the new releases available sooner, there's > nothing stopping you from helping out. Joe did you not read where I said that I was asking for the 'regular Fedora Community users', sucjh as you, and not for myself? And that I was asking because so many other Linux distributions already have them. I already have the latest releases. As for 'helping out'? No. I can't. Programing and computers is not my field. My field is mechanical design and engendering. Before digital calculators and computers we used pencils, paper, chalk boards, and slide rules. :-) -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/8/2013 4:39 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 08.08.2013 22:34, schrieb David: >> On 8/8/2013 4:26 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: I was wondering if there was some problem here with Fedora >> >>> mostly bad timing >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=977325 >> >> Not to insult anyone but... This same situation happens with >> each official Mozilla release. >> >> I can certainly agree with not following the Daily/Nightly, >> Alphas and Betas but the official(s) IMHO should arrive more >> quickly > > and you would be probably one of the first starting to cry loud if > things are broken after untested updates. > > and "broken" oftly differs between usecases > > for me the iditoic chnages to remove options and show the damned > tabs *always* even if there is only one and even if your web-app > opens a popupd and explicitly requests *no bars, no bullshit, only > a window* is broken but i can live with it > You must have missed the part in this thread where I wrote that I have been using the Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird version long before? One expects those to break from time to time. And you must have missed, again in this thread, where I wrote that I had offical Firefox and Thunderbird updates on Tuesday Aug 6? As for the other things that you dislike? Those have been active for months in the pre-releases and writen about for the same time. There have been several articles about how to change those items too. - -- David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSBAXmAAoJEI7mbDIOYu+ocdIQAMhFnzS3xhM/mc3cL/uWH8oA hZwYgWKJi+BmZOYSPrGfYU7Ju5uvf6Lz6xWvjso9l856QYiWJk/lY8x8J82d7Vks 5VjvCoVmlpKXwRQZvm/8HwDCLdHb900oMfti17sUSD4mPUmfGyK+arxTkHutRTTl /5l3wUVnjf9L+6Rzkm7VlB6QdxTf6KKD5v9a2wkvjRjH2TYpHYj4rfr6pruVnIwj YYj4VWsKutLgl2jQ41G4X9WF1u7chvAdSIJDuUnFVpuk6PVqjVW4rOU2Py/uUL5+ 8ogu32b5aPi6R8wGIhcY0rlh8kyRglW79iBDsol64SvxzlrIHy2Z8Qbxj8lg0KTh C5DZxT7r7qtKlLuFHhxFhDLCZIFO5EGpfHcOvBCI/p63f1irMBPLqM8WA2tVihM0 P4cTcZlFhPp6xWECNyD0hGTZVXanBVm83MifeLfgZ0Goki6VSknAXXeOVzwXBv4q GMhqVexiLV6bXMLyus1UVOH7HocTOh/UqVDz5vT9nykzsEEThF95GP0ETKwymvQ8 q/OhEnGslx4h+Z7KhH7PWUdQs2TkYBx5pD+JPEaZNaAOyC3N3zWPHrJvgxyScwbN 0A4nDEQ9Y2IOhlSKANLqwTkBYYxUcrO3wixhA6107VSeWl9O8WP8NpeHqNwPdMVo JDGO81q+sw4fg78Oynwe =x+CO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On 08/08/2013 01:34 PM, David wrote: I can certainly agree with not following the Daily/Nightly, Alphas and Betas but the official(s) IMHO should arrive more quickly. The people doing the packaging and testing aren't exactly getting paid for their work. If you want the new releases available sooner, there's nothing stopping you from helping out. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/8/2013 4:26 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 08.08.2013 21:50, schrieb David: >> On 8/8/2013 3:39 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> * patience * koji * yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update >>> firefox\* xulrunner\* thunderbird\* >> >>> choose one of them :-) >> >>> the 'regular user' implicitly chooses option 1 >> >> True. But they are not yet 'official' in my Rawhide install >> either. I have them in several other Linux installs (other >> distributions) since Tuesday as a matter of fact. >> >> I was wondering if there was some problem here with Fedora > > mostly bad timing > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=977325 > > Not to insult anyone but... This same situation happens with each official Mozilla release. I can certainly agree with not following the Daily/Nightly, Alphas and Betas but the official(s) IMHO should arrive more quickly. - -- David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSBADeAAoJEI7mbDIOYu+ooFIP/RTomYQZ7d8NT/dU5tcwrZ0y mjlEqx3mNywdEZsgh5nc24Ggoeh6gP/ufEP9FmSLforUQDyA4IjvT9LJLLVnlIQF XtWYTgEVGSx4gaLaivbSsW5isce4aSAGoeK95tQ4yIdaCxTNIgUGU60YuxUGPPrY fZHueulcRJ85SZ1P1FYopusKTeiXK0iwWb0tXe1uoEuCX1uzvSOMQjzEh7iIFHlH lDEWM3GBZa4BXoRlPoj3UEp5EiKxkDgbpXdBSkXf8XkUa1umJv7EFuutl8fNyopp +hyBnjy/UQEVbttLd2Mvhz/6Q670Kjw6u8ixJJwqAkHsuj/RRim426SZFhD+ULeH P/YFFreFSXXZlE6wLp3HH35m3CUKHT+wTrXh5qvCJnZw2M8XA9AccoctTczgft9t KfZgzej9Fj5VapXZCY2j6N1Vcv7D9oX2OMww9fc4ai9L3DQZH1XN4qEqiGIBi0Eu vAUAGmK/AmiHEkFYWkveSaPRVAcFljodQry9vKScOePMpq56KWU1j4AGjE0N1U+m ySEjNn4QqUzzw/QXsWA3iICN9WXK1dhXCH3lUwLD4ccdKWftI5i+8Wb3pfPE8a1V KSLF91F8q2rV0JTIPKWt9a8VZMj63Lf1ZgMj3QeY1FdLC6kyFVEHHSjbXUjrC+aA a19WWb0EVcGlrKUQjiNT =LlNB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
LibreOffice find/replace tries to replace everything where it matches or not
Everyone: It's taken me this long to realize what the problem is. But I cannot use Find-and-replace with LibreOffice anymore. It either tries to replace everything under the sun with my Replace text, or else it can't find the search key (typically a multi-word phrase) even though I am staring right at it. Where do I file the bug, and against what? I am using the now-current version of LibreOffice for Fedora 19. When I upgraded to F19, that's when the trouble started. Temlakos -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F19: LibreOffice-base Maximized
Since upgrading from Fedora 18 to Fedora 19, all tables, queries, and forms in LibreOffice-base open maximized. This did not happen with Fedora 18. Current Fedora 19 version: libreoffice-base-4.1.0.4-5.fc19.x86_64. Is there a solution or workaround? Craig -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/8/2013 3:39 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 08.08.2013 21:34, schrieb David: >> On 8/8/2013 2:50 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >>> Am 08.08.2013 20:48, schrieb David: Does anyone have any idea when we can expect Firefox 23 and Thunderbird 17.08? >> >>> [harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ rpm -q thunderbird >>> thunderbird-17.0.8-1.fc18.x86_64 >> >>> [harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ rpm -q firefox >>> firefox-23.0-1.fc18.x86_64 >> >>> [harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ rpm -q xulrunner >>> xulrunner-23.0-2.fc18.x86_64 >> >>> koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/builds?tagID=204&inherited=0&order=-completion_time >> >> >>> Thanks. >>> I was thinking more about the 'regular user' that does not >> know about the need to jump through hoops with Linux from time >> to time > > * patience * koji * yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update > firefox\* xulrunner\* thunderbird\* > > choose one of them :-) > > the 'regular user' implicitly chooses option 1 > True. But they are not yet 'official' in my Rawhide install either. I have them in several other Linux installs (other distributions) since Tuesday as a matter of fact. I was wondering if there was some problem here with Fedora. - -- David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSA/aBAAoJEI7mbDIOYu+oXxkP/3B++vf5fq577R3Zhfs75bZb W9RtrEQqDtpGzateVyR62Mhhq9vpNU4LMvLl6zxAddpe0Fn0m3WeHhhD+XaGmLxf YtLXWybppa8cmXRjHcArB3NE6JhxnXFDhA8eswhplItpmKlIQz0yxB/K8BHhnmqI JHt110sbAnQL4syO+mUoQKLtxiBijS2heh7hx6G+n40qyX+LTtFV4ZwypDJLYP+5 OxaWvdDOY5ctG4G1Qiibxk8UHlaPEuieK1qN69VfJjlSTKgaC8DsOq+HSgB4F+14 N5ysY0lRmn9ZcmX/Ld4dB5sSmHrBUQBByyooYQQmK+JJqB53kN87ZpKHr7FFkDEB 2UqcBgEU833WrxKzzYwczJwGOB+kFmCAHv91BYvVsAn400oeSDU2ILlysyD0Jdpe QIj35uoDhtWv/AHGK0KFbmX7on1xFWgB7GR25G0wMGbT4Aef1mbwbo1YccjDBfWl xLsDpwW8OylGYq9JyqrsSrbDCLapWl+pS1XxOCcvimT6v+gvxTObRhUgURGHZoXv K2W3KDFXsDhu90PPIMIqT1SAtI2ZC0c3rI2ZVAJZi28qgy1/RdqK8qPqmmRAIo66 gSVzsYmpxgvBfqMCjnp6+3Z/0LbXHvoSFNiySLzADv9otBouQrAae/AghLAktaIR nPrdfoKuT1Usu6pPAolX =suSj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Change device/partition label
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I know this is an easy one, but I can't seem to find the current correct way to do it. I've got a TB HDD that I need to change the LABEL on. Currently it's 'LIVE' (it's an old production drive) and I really want to just remove the label altogether and mount it with the UUID of the drive. What's the best and most current way to do it? I was thinking e2label will do it, but it's been so long since I've done it, I'm playing it safe. Ideas? - -- Mark Haney, Software Developer Mobile: 828-337-6540 Email: mark.ha...@gmail.com Linux augustus.homelinux.org 3.10.4-300.fc19.x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSA/b3AAoJEOrjdPlXBuPglEYH/i3xEhFJLrDgq5BvARG7R2BN 6dGsyluyv89Na5A/Z2nDe8BKfl7uVi5sGEzs5wwGbHjJnMeuH8nVZ2EZauYFrTUJ Zl2fFWoopJ9p8d78tXLhwFCDQ6OQ8Vp8LA8kcT+EIYaH31KA863+y5AKS6NdBRAf tGMstx4KzVnAgio0UZX+m+127AMByfMrF5s837FxaF458zzZ9myhXob46o3jWde+ Za2WBxy6eiI/W7ynICHz3mWXgp/Wevm1bVko7gaE8VGKXAIgoVqnsHFFCBvdFBP+ BTel8T+/23XTfkXVHU1swhUl+C3QeJmhYdmfRiY1a5ONAw4eaeLCOdI3ndaS2do= =wbOA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On 8/8/2013 2:53 PM, Lawrence Graves wrote: > Yes, I have already installed it. click on the update testings and you > will find itand it works fine. Hope that help. > On 08/08/2013 12:48 PM, David wrote: >> Does anyone have any idea when we can expect Firefox 23 and Thunderbird >> 17.08? >> > > -- > All things are workable but don't all things work. Prov. 3:5 & 6 > > Thanks. I have been using the official Mozilla release(s) for a long time. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/8/2013 2:50 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 08.08.2013 20:48, schrieb David: >> Does anyone have any idea when we can expect Firefox 23 and >> Thunderbird 17.08? > > [harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ rpm -q thunderbird > thunderbird-17.0.8-1.fc18.x86_64 > > [harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ rpm -q firefox firefox-23.0-1.fc18.x86_64 > > [harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ rpm -q xulrunner > xulrunner-23.0-2.fc18.x86_64 > > koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/builds?tagID=204&inherited=0&order=-completion_time > > Thanks. I was thinking more about the 'regular user' that does not know about the need to jump through hoops with Linux from time to time. - -- David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSA/KsAAoJEI7mbDIOYu+o/dMQAL4T+igEcBkU0d6hSO+oSON8 c5Tf6HGVpdFdqn/LhBbDRVr580eyjv5UeJw4yDTQquzNVe0pQgwxq8rwlnUgsxOy 5U/wcgJBpuS1XnatN+g+aVGpla7aG//D9k8I42wn7rHxz45rbhC3/UjfkKpdlpjj kKerlN8OkVx77tdqKzIcMOP57XD0bQKKEYodlj3uvS2Bff09vly4ikgGU4cuoYno MTz82kWfEC0ZBdDaGuWL34PXsFInK3eeK5R6nJIhyaOC12HgA7KUn9+sIghuLNsu XLahE+uTJucsOBz/+HD6ZvGNr2m/fYTMNGrxVjwpXb4NwUg5C9a1702Io5zGgZ3C w2lLOGePtAYD8Dg50fZwImWSPcm6DgneLlORkMwExSbnFVH6de6S+efsVlDHEew5 M8EzY7A4dHnJemDit3uOdml/Y9rDRiVsuaLyk6ovRMooSvJjrkX3tuNsZ4jGYPyn SpybLrw7p4TTfGcxSB/WJPHk5aJ1ClP1bXicwkf5K4Nsf5rORcDoHXcOoMAYN09r E4AVcpc8MQfLzQYVg8jXKfxvAHnhI21iPGZft5OvSnSmzcKh8VbBVRhvpCl8Ut/+ pWdeaU4toUllwDMGUtXYBuUViEwtcbYnMd373N/GPmwbolmIJj/MS1CbEf8iWLCt I1rRtpFBU36GlNrDM27C =BSZi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: No EDID for VGA
On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 08:46:43 -0700 Jon Cosby wrote: > I installed a GeForce 8400 GS graphics card to replace an integrated > chipset and can't even boot to the live CD (F18) or rescue mode now. > It stops with the output > > Raw EDID > [rows of hex digits all 0] > Nouveau EI [ DRM] DDC responded, but no EDID for VGA-1 > > I have openSUSE installed on this machine, and it runs with no > problems. The monitor is an old KDS 17" CRT. Is there any way to get > this working? Sure there is. :-) It will just need a bit of effort to set up. :-) Given that the monitor is old and that Fedora is complaining about missing EDID, my guess is that the monitor does not provide a correct one (caveat --- nouveau drivers are still under heavy development, so it might be that there is a bug in the driver rather than a faulty monitor). Anyway, you want to do the following: (1) While in openSUSE, find out which modeline X is using. This information should be available in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or SUSE-equivalent of it). If you find it too cryptic, you may send us a link to a pastebin, or use some utility that can write down the correct modeline for you (there are many, and google is your friend). (2) Boot and install F18 using the basic vga mode (i.e. the vesa driver). While I sort-of remember that the LiveCD features a boot option to that effect, you should either use that, or boot&install in text mode, or tweak kernel parameters to disable nouveau. The latter would be adding "rdblacklist=nouveau nouveau.modeset=0" to the kernel line. You may need to add it on subsequent boots of the installed system, until the modeline is put in place, or until you start using kmod-nvidia instead of nouveau. Again, google is your friend. :-) (3) I am not sure about the level of support for your graphics card by the nouveau drivers, though at least elementary 2D graphics should certainly be supported. Nevertheless, if that doesn't work, or if you need accelerated graphics, after the installation of F18 you may want to install kmod-nvidia drivers from rpmfusion. And remember, google is your friend! ;-) (4) If the monitor EDID is really at fault, you need to put the modeline used by SUSE into the /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the appropriate section. On a fresh installation the xorg.conf file is likely to not exist (although kmod-nvidia will probably create one). Anyway, create it if it isn't there --- and put the modeline there. The details can be found in copious amounts on the web, feel free to use google to find out what to write where. After this is set up and the system reboots, you should be good to go. Note that this is just the outline of the procedure. If you don't know how to perform each of these steps, or if google fails to be your friend at any point, or if you get stuck somehow, ask here for details. ;-) HTH, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
On 08/08/2013 03:48 PM, David wrote: Does anyone have any idea when we can expect Firefox 23 and Thunderbird 17.08? They are in updates-testing, at least for F19 :) -- Germán A. Racca Fedora Package Maintainer https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skytux -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
Yes, I have already installed it. click on the update testings and you will find itand it works fine. Hope that help. On 08/08/2013 12:48 PM, David wrote: Does anyone have any idea when we can expect Firefox 23 and Thunderbird 17.08? -- All things are workable but don't all things work. Prov. 3:5 & 6 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Firefox and Thunderbird Aug releases
Does anyone have any idea when we can expect Firefox 23 and Thunderbird 17.08? -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Frozen
Thank, Here more information > > > Hello, > > > > On a fedora 19 laptop, I use to experience frosing of the screen. > > It may have different matter, like unable to compose in a terminal > > window (but sill able to use the mouse), or in the worst situation, > > the screen remains black (no way to use the keyboard), ie. I need to > > unpluck the laptop and remove the battery. > > This looks like to linked to the screen locking. I do not use a > > screensaver. > > I do not know how to debug this issue! > > > > Can I get some helps? > > > > Thank. > > > > There are two things that immediately come to mind. The first is that you > don't have the right driver for your graphics card. The symptoms you describe > used to happen to me all the time, but in recent fedora releases, it's been > pretty good at figuring out the right driver. You might need to tell folk > what laptop you have and what kind of graphics it has. Dell Inspiron 9400, The setting says: Gallium 0.4 on ATI RV515 (1440 x 900) I did not experience this issue on a fedora 16 (on the same laptop) > The other possibility is that this is a desktop issue rather than a fedora > issue. You will need to tell people what desktop you are using -- > Gnome/KDE/LXDE, etc. > I am running gnome > billo > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France === -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How do I prevent the kernel module i915 from being loaded?
On 08/08/2013 13:29, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 08.08.2013, Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: I have already appended 'blacklist i915' to /lib/modprobe.d/dist-blacklist.conf but it is still being loaded. What else can I do? On the long run, you could disable all CONFIG_DRM_i915 options in your kernel .config and recompile. Hi, I have solved the problem. 16 Blacklist Kernel Modules sudo nano /lib/modprobe.d/dist-blacklist.conf blacklist i915 blacklist nouveau blacklist snd_hda_intel Rebuild the initial ramdisk. cd /boot sudo mv initrd-3.10.5.img initrd-3.10.5.img.backup sudo dracut -f /boot/initrd-3.10.5.img 3.10.5 Turn off gdm. sudo systemctl disable gdm.service systemctl list-unit-files | grep gdm gdm.service disabled -- Yours sincerely, Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Frozen
On Thu, 8 Aug 2013, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, On a fedora 19 laptop, I use to experience frosing of the screen. It may have different matter, like unable to compose in a terminal window (but sill able to use the mouse), or in the worst situation, the screen remains black (no way to use the keyboard), ie. I need to unpluck the laptop and remove the battery. This looks like to linked to the screen locking. I do not use a screensaver. I do not know how to debug this issue! Can I get some helps? Thank. There are two things that immediately come to mind. The first is that you don't have the right driver for your graphics card. The symptoms you describe used to happen to me all the time, but in recent fedora releases, it's been pretty good at figuring out the right driver. You might need to tell folk what laptop you have and what kind of graphics it has. The other possibility is that this is a desktop issue rather than a fedora issue. You will need to tell people what desktop you are using -- Gnome/KDE/LXDE, etc. billo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Frozen
Hello, On a fedora 19 laptop, I use to experience frosing of the screen. It may have different matter, like unable to compose in a terminal window (but sill able to use the mouse), or in the worst situation, the screen remains black (no way to use the keyboard), ie. I need to unpluck the laptop and remove the battery. This looks like to linked to the screen locking. I do not use a screensaver. I do not know how to debug this issue! Can I get some helps? Thank. === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France === -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
No EDID for VGA
I installed a GeForce 8400 GS graphics card to replace an integrated chipset and can't even boot to the live CD (F18) or rescue mode now. It stops with the output Raw EDID [rows of hex digits all 0] Nouveau EI [ DRM] DDC responded, but no EDID for VGA-1 I have openSUSE installed on this machine, and it runs with no problems. The monitor is an old KDS 17" CRT. Is there any way to get this working? Jon Cosby -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
On 08/08/2013 01:50 PM, John Pilkington wrote: > On 08/08/13 13:19, Andrew Haley wrote: >> On 08/08/2013 10:04 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: >>> do you use 32 or 64 bits ? >>> >>> My understanding is that it is a 32 bit CPU (T2300), it does want >>> to read a 64 bit iso DVD. >> >> Here says it's a 64-bit CPU: >> >> http://ark.intel.com/products/37160/Intel-Pentium-Processor-T3200-1M-Cache-2_00-GHz-667-MHz-FSB-Socket-P > > T2300 != T3200 Argh! I am so sorry! I'll go and hide now. :-( Andrew. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
On 08/08/13 13:19, Andrew Haley wrote: On 08/08/2013 10:04 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: do you use 32 or 64 bits ? My understanding is that it is a 32 bit CPU (T2300), it does want to read a 64 bit iso DVD. Here says it's a 64-bit CPU: http://ark.intel.com/products/37160/Intel-Pentium-Processor-T3200-1M-Cache-2_00-GHz-667-MHz-FSB-Socket-P Andrew. T2300 != T3200 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
RE: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
Hi, > no lm flags, > So 32 bits? Jap, 32-bit. The missing 800mb are most likely masked by IO address-ranges like PCI address space etc. regards > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -- > > users mailing list > > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > > > === > Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com > Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | > Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | > Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 > 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France > === > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
> - Original Message - > From: Todor Petkov > Sent: 08/08/13 02:26 PM > To: Community support for Fedora users > Subject: Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb > > On 08/08/2013 12:04 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote: > >> > >> do you use 32 or 64 bits ? > > > > My understanding is that it is a 32 bit CPU (T2300), it does want > > to read a 64 bit iso DVD. > > > > See this link > http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-how-to-find-if-processor-is-64-bit-or-not/ > it says how to check your CPU. This is what it says: flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx con stant_tsc arch_perfmon bts aperfmperf pni monitor vmx est tm2 xtpr pdcm dtherm bogomips : 3325.08 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual no lm flags, So 32 bits? > Regards, > > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France === -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
On 08/08/2013 01:29 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote: > However, do you think that it will extend the accessible memory since it seems > that it is a chipset issue? I doubt it. Andrew. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
OK, Thank. The bizard thing is that when I tried to run the x86_64 install DVD, it just did want to do it! However, do you think that it will extend the accessible memory since it seems that it is a chipset issue? > Subject: Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb > > On 08/08/2013 10:04 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: > > > >> > >> do you use 32 or 64 bits ? > > > > My understanding is that it is a 32 bit CPU (T2300), it does want > > to read a 64 bit iso DVD. > > Here says it's a 64-bit CPU: > > http://ark.intel.com/products/37160/Intel-Pentium-Processor-T3200-1M-Cache-2_00-GHz-667-MHz-FSB-Socket-P > > Andrew. === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France === -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
On 08/08/2013 12:04 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote: do you use 32 or 64 bits ? My understanding is that it is a 32 bit CPU (T2300), it does want to read a 64 bit iso DVD. See this link http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-how-to-find-if-processor-is-64-bit-or-not/ it says how to check your CPU. Regards, -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
On 08/08/2013 10:04 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: > >> >> do you use 32 or 64 bits ? > > My understanding is that it is a 32 bit CPU (T2300), it does want > to read a 64 bit iso DVD. Here says it's a 64-bit CPU: http://ark.intel.com/products/37160/Intel-Pentium-Processor-T3200-1M-Cache-2_00-GHz-667-MHz-FSB-Socket-P Andrew. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Virtualbox
Hi folks. After years of going to look at virtualisation and prompting from the threads pm here about Virtualbox on here I decided to firstly install it on my newish desktop to try it. I used the following instructions which worked a treat. http://www.tecmint.com/install-virtualbox-on-redhat-centos-fedora/ I was so impressed with how easy it was and how quick the WinXP client was that I tried it on my old Dell Vostro 1510 laptop too. Even on this the WinXP client is surprisingly quick and far simpler than dual booting. For those that are considering it, go for it. -- Gary Stainburn Group I.T. Manager Ringways Garages http://www.ringways.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
Am 08.08.2013 10:08, schrieb Patrick Dupre: > Hello, > > I updated my inspiron 9400 (Genuine Intel® CPU T2300 @ 1.66GHz × 2) with > 4Gb of RAM, but only 3.2Gb is accessible. > The bios recognizes the 4Gb but says that only 3.2Gb will be available, > but I expected that fedora 19 with be available to access the entire RAM. > This there something that I should do? > > Thank. The chipset of that laptop is not capable to address thze whole 4GB RAM. That's not untypical for systems of that age (Intel T2300). I still run an HP laptop with Intel T7600 on a mobile 945GM chipset and have the same issue, just ~3.5GB out of populated 4GB RAM. No BIOS update will help as this is a restriction by the chipset. Alexander -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
Hello, "Patrick Dupre" wrote: > Hello, > > I updated my inspiron 9400 (Genuine Intel® CPU T2300 @ 1.66GHz × 2) with As far as I can tell, the Intel Core Duo T2300 is an x86 (32 bit) processor, so I suppose you are using a 32 bit flavour of Fedora, hence general purpose memory should be properly limited as high physical addresses are usually reserved (in the range 0xC000-0x) for PCI devices' IO (PAE won't help here). So BIOS' mere approximation of available RAM is vaguely correct because it apperently ends at the 3GB boundry. Some operating systems like Windows strictly reserve this upper 1GB. Others like Linux allow the user to use some memory page "wholes" in the PCI IO address range, but this requires explicit configuration of the kernel at boot time or at compile time. This is a difficult task, even to that extent that it gives troubles to experts. Long story short, your machine is probably running properly and you won't get anything more out of it. > 4Gb of RAM, but only 3.2Gb is accessible. > The bios recognizes the 4Gb but says that only 3.2Gb will be available, > but I expected that fedora 19 with be available to access the entire RAM. > This there something that I should do? > > Thank. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
> > do you use 32 or 64 bits ? My understanding is that it is a 32 bit CPU (T2300), it does want to read a 64 bit iso DVD. > > 2013/8/8 staticsafe > > > On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 10:08:45AM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I updated my inspiron 9400 (Genuine Intel® CPU T2300 @ 1.66GHz × 2) with > > > 4Gb of RAM, but only 3.2Gb is accessible. > > > The bios recognizes the 4Gb but says that only 3.2Gb will be available, > > > but I expected that fedora 19 with be available to access the entire RAM. > > > This there something that I should do? > > > > > > Thank. > > > > > > > > === > > > Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com > > > Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | > > > Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | > > > Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 > > > 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, > > France > > > > > === > > > > Do you happen to have an integrated video card? Those sometimes take > > some RAM as their own VRAM. > > -- > > staticsafe > > O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org > > Please don't top post. > > Please don't CC! I'm subscribed to whatever list I just posted on. > > -- > > users mailing list > > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > > === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France === -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
> - Original Message - > From: Joe Zeff > Sent: 08/08/13 10:33 AM > To: Community support for Fedora users > Subject: Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb > > On 08/08/2013 01:08 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: > > I updated my inspiron 9400 (Genuine Intel® CPU T2300 @ 1.66GHz × 2) with > > 4Gb of RAM, but only 3.2Gb is accessible. > > The bios recognizes the 4Gb but says that only 3.2Gb will be available, > > but I expected that fedora 19 with be available to access the entire RAM. > > This there something that I should do? > > Are you using a PAE kernel? (If your CPU is PAE capable, you probably > are.) If you're not sure, uname -r will tell you. Yes it is PAE (in fact I though about that). > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France === -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
On 08/08/2013 10:33 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/08/2013 01:08 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: >> I updated my inspiron 9400 (Genuine Intel® CPU T2300 @ 1.66GHz × 2) with >> 4Gb of RAM, but only 3.2Gb is accessible. >> The bios recognizes the 4Gb but says that only 3.2Gb will be available, >> but I expected that fedora 19 with be available to access the entire RAM. >> This there something that I should do? Having the the problem on my *x86_64 box* (CPU:Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8300 @ 2.83GHz) Motherboard: abit I-45CV). I think this a bios problem: It shows indeed 4 GB of mem, but both Linux and Win show only 3.2 GB of mem. BIOS update did not help! > > Are you using a PAE kernel? (If your CPU is PAE capable, you probably > are.) If you're not sure, uname -r will tell you. > Kind regards Joachim Backes -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) Kernel-3.10.5-201.fc19.x86_64 Joachim Backes https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
do you use 32 or 64 bits ? 2013/8/8 staticsafe > On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 10:08:45AM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I updated my inspiron 9400 (Genuine Intel® CPU T2300 @ 1.66GHz × 2) with > > 4Gb of RAM, but only 3.2Gb is accessible. > > The bios recognizes the 4Gb but says that only 3.2Gb will be available, > > but I expected that fedora 19 with be available to access the entire RAM. > > This there something that I should do? > > > > Thank. > > > > > === > > Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com > > Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | > > Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | > > Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 > > 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, > France > > > === > > Do you happen to have an integrated video card? Those sometimes take > some RAM as their own VRAM. > -- > staticsafe > O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org > Please don't top post. > Please don't CC! I'm subscribed to whatever list I just posted on. > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
On 08/08/2013 01:08 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: I updated my inspiron 9400 (Genuine Intel® CPU T2300 @ 1.66GHz × 2) with 4Gb of RAM, but only 3.2Gb is accessible. The bios recognizes the 4Gb but says that only 3.2Gb will be available, but I expected that fedora 19 with be available to access the entire RAM. This there something that I should do? Are you using a PAE kernel? (If your CPU is PAE capable, you probably are.) If you're not sure, uname -r will tell you. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 3.2Gb over 4Gb
On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 10:08:45AM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote: > Hello, > > I updated my inspiron 9400 (Genuine Intel® CPU T2300 @ 1.66GHz × 2) with > 4Gb of RAM, but only 3.2Gb is accessible. > The bios recognizes the 4Gb but says that only 3.2Gb will be available, > but I expected that fedora 19 with be available to access the entire RAM. > This there something that I should do? > > Thank. > > === > Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com > Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | > Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | > Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 > 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France > === Do you happen to have an integrated video card? Those sometimes take some RAM as their own VRAM. -- staticsafe O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org Please don't top post. Please don't CC! I'm subscribed to whatever list I just posted on. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
3.2Gb over 4Gb
Hello, I updated my inspiron 9400 (Genuine Intel® CPU T2300 @ 1.66GHz × 2) with 4Gb of RAM, but only 3.2Gb is accessible. The bios recognizes the 4Gb but says that only 3.2Gb will be available, but I expected that fedora 19 with be available to access the entire RAM. This there something that I should do? Thank. === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France === -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
