Re: simple-mtpfs fills root filesystem

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 12/05/2013 03:17 AM, Alex wrote:

Hi,
I have an fc18 box that I use to mount my Samsung Galaxy S4 SPH-L720
to manage files.

It worked fine with my S3, but now with the S4, every time I connect
it, it creates a directory similar to /tmp/simple-mtpfs-r1ZApu with
the images from the Camera directory on my phone until the filesystem
fills up completely (50G root).

It looks like many files are duplicated, because I don't even have 10G
worth of pictures on the phone. The files look like
"010037f1903cd1a154f69bd11897ad5c656d854f" and contain actual JPEG
pictures.

After unmounting the filesystem, the contents of the directory is
eventually removed.

What is the cause of this?

I'd guess, you've hit this bug:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=971878

Yet another case which demonstrates why having /TmpOnTmpFS is a mistake.


Ralf

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Re: optimal(?) layout of fedora 19 with one SSD drive and one regular HD?

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/04/2013 07:25 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:

Well there's more than one rule of thumb even on linux. And the paging method 
on DOS is different than NT, so it's surely different than linux, BSD, or OS X. 
Case in point, OS X has never had the idea of user configurable swap. The 
dynamic_pager process creates and destroys swapfiles on demand as needed.


Very true.  That's why I specified the origins of the rule I gave, so 
that people could judge for themselves if it were applicable to them or not.

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Re: simple-mtpfs fills root filesystem

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/04/2013 06:17 PM, Alex wrote:

It looks like many files are duplicated, because I don't even have 10G
worth of pictures on the phone. The files look like
"010037f1903cd1a154f69bd11897ad5c656d854f" and contain actual JPEG
pictures.

After unmounting the filesystem, the contents of the directory is
eventually removed.

What is the cause of this?


I'm only guessing, but it sounds like it's downloading everything on 
your phone each time you connect, even if you've already downloaded 
them.  Is there a reason that you never remove the files from your 
phone, or is it just more convenient for you that way?

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Re: optimal(?) layout of fedora 19 with one SSD drive and one regular HD?

[Chris Murphy]

On Dec 4, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 12/04/2013 03:21 PM, Tim wrote:
>> It's probably the reasoning behind make swap twice as big as RAM.  It
>> should leave enough room for RAM to fit into swap, and the wiggle room
>> for the OS to tidy up swap as it hibernates things.
> 
> Sorry, but I have to inform you that you're putting the cart before the 
> horse.  The rule of thumb I mentioned about making swap twice the size of RAM 
> goes back to the early days of MS-DOS, long before there were such things as 
> hibernate or sleep for computers.

Well there's more than one rule of thumb even on linux. And the paging method 
on DOS is different than NT, so it's surely different than linux, BSD, or OS X. 
Case in point, OS X has never had the idea of user configurable swap. The 
dynamic_pager process creates and destroys swapfiles on demand as needed. 

On linux, there have been periodic swap code changes, which can be found by 
doing an lkml search. New in 3.12 is a different block allocation algorithm for 
swap on SSD, for the 3.11 kernel is zswap, and frontswap has been in since 3.5 
kernel.

The anaconda/blivet code suggests upwards of 3x memory if you have less than 
4GB RAM and hibernation applies. Whereas for 8GB or more, the suggestion is 
1.5x memory if hibernation applies. If hibernation doesn't apply suggested swap 
is between 0.5x and 2x RAM.

Chris Murphy
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simple-mtpfs fills root filesystem

[Alex]

Hi,
I have an fc18 box that I use to mount my Samsung Galaxy S4 SPH-L720
to manage files.

It worked fine with my S3, but now with the S4, every time I connect
it, it creates a directory similar to /tmp/simple-mtpfs-r1ZApu with
the images from the Camera directory on my phone until the filesystem
fills up completely (50G root).

It looks like many files are duplicated, because I don't even have 10G
worth of pictures on the phone. The files look like
"010037f1903cd1a154f69bd11897ad5c656d854f" and contain actual JPEG
pictures.

After unmounting the filesystem, the contents of the directory is
eventually removed.

What is the cause of this?

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: Fedora's audience

[Roger]

On 12/05/2013 12:24 PM, Edik Landaveri wrote:

  I unite my voice of thanks as well to the 
developersmaintainers.marketerstestersand everyone involved with 
it?"THANK YOU SO MUCH"!

Me Too! I enjoy Fedora
Roger
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Re: F18: XDMCP kinda works....

[Dan Thurman]

On 11/30/2013 12:52 PM, Dan Thurman wrote:

but fails to show password-box after clicking the User name
thus impossible to log on.


Syslog data pertinent to XDMCP:

Dec  4 16:56:44 gold xinetd[1186]: START: vnc-1024x768x24 pid=4672 
from=:::10.1.0.5


Dec  4 16:56:45 gold dbus-daemon[781]: dbus[781]: [system] Rejected send 
message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.4" (uid=0 
pid=798 comm="/usr/sbin/
gdm-binary ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" 
member="GetAll" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" 
destination=":1.1125" (uid=0 pid=4688 comm="/usr/

libexec/gdm-simple-slave --display-id /org/gn")

Dec  4 16:56:45 gold dbus[781]: [system] Rejected send message, 1 
matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.4" (uid=0 pid=798 
comm="/usr/sbin/gdm-binary ") inte
rface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="GetAll" error 
name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.1125" (uid=0 pid=4688 
comm="/usr/libexec/gdm-simple

-slave --display-id /org/gn")

Dec  4 16:56:46 gold gdm-launch-environment][4698]: 
pam_unix(gdm-launch-environment:session): session opened for user gdm by 
(uid=0)


Dec  4 16:56:46 gold systemd-logind[710]: New session 342 of user gdm.

Dec  4 16:57:06 gold polkitd[1010]: Registered Authentication Agent for 
unix-session:342 (system bus name :1.1133 [gnome-shell --mode=gdm], 
object path /org/freedes

ktop/PolicyKit1/AuthenticationAgent, locale en_US.UTF-8)

Dec  4 16:57:06 gold dbus-daemon[781]: dbus[781]: [system] Rejected send 
message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.1133" (uid=42 
pid=4756 comm="gnome
-shell --mode=gdm ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" 
member="GetAll" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" 
destination=":1.20" (uid=0 pid=1480 comm="

/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ")

Dec  4 16:57:06 gold dbus[781]: [system] Rejected send message, 2 
matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.1133" (uid=42 pid=4756 
comm="gnome-shell --mode=gdm
") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="GetAll" error 
name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.20" (uid=0 pid=1480 
comm="/usr/sbin/console-

kit-daemon --no-daemon ")

Dec  4 16:57:27 gold gdm[798]: gdm-binary[798]: GLib-WARNING: GError set 
over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory.


Dec  4 16:57:27 gold gdm[798]: This indicates a bug in someone's code. 
You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set.


Dec  4 16:57:27 gold gdm[798]: The overwriting error message was: Error 
getting session ids from systemd: No such file or directory


Dec  4 16:57:27 gold gdm-binary[798]: GLib-WARNING: GError set over the 
top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory.


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Re: Fedora's audience

[Edik Landaveri]

 I unite my voice of thanks as well to the 
developersmaintainers.marketerstestersand everyone involved 
with it?"THANK YOU SO MUCH"!
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Re: Fedora's audience

[David G . Miller]

Tim  yahoo.com.au> writes:

> 
> Allegedly, on or about 04 December 2013, Frank sent:
> > Guess all the 'younger' members are afraid to reply :)
> 
> Oi!I'm middle-aged.
> 
> I've played with computers since before the PC days (sending punch cards
> in the post), ignored the C64 but used alternatives in the same era, had
> fun with the Amiga while avoiding the hideous DOS/Windows world that I
> saw at the school I worked at, got into Linux with Red Hat Linux 6 (the
> first one that would actually install on my hardware), then migrated
> over to Fedora when Red Hat changed the gameplan (and that did annoy a
> lot of people).
> 
> I've dabbled with other Linuxes and BSD, enough to think they're much of
> a muchness (similar or balanced capabilities, limits, and annoyances),
> but different enough that I stuck with what I got used to.
> 

How about I'm 57 and started with Red Hat Linux 5.0 in 1998 as my first
Linux install.  Before that I worked on HP-UX, Solaris (and when it was
still SunOS), CDCs, VAXen and IBM big iron.  I still have a punch card
around here some place.

I run CentOS or Scientific Linux on the boxes I need stable and Fedora on
more recent hardware or where I need something closer to bleeding edge. 
Dabbled with Ubuntu, Mint and Gentoo.  Didn't like them.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: optimal(?) layout of fedora 19 with one SSD drive and one regular HD?

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/04/2013 03:21 PM, Tim wrote:

It's probably the reasoning behind make swap twice as big as RAM.  It
should leave enough room for RAM to fit into swap, and the wiggle room
for the OS to tidy up swap as it hibernates things.


Sorry, but I have to inform you that you're putting the cart before the 
horse.  The rule of thumb I mentioned about making swap twice the size 
of RAM goes back to the early days of MS-DOS, long before there were 
such things as hibernate or sleep for computers.

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Re: optimal(?) layout of fedora 19 with one SSD drive and one regular HD?

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 04 December 2013, Roberto Ragusa sent:
> Then, you must also consider that some swap space could be already
> used when you hibernate.
> You need to have enough _free_ swap space.
> 
> (It happened to me in the past to have to close some applications to
> fit the hibernation image into the available swap space, it's
> annoying,...) 

It's probably the reasoning behind make swap twice as big as RAM.  It
should leave enough room for RAM to fit into swap, and the wiggle room
for the OS to tidy up swap as it hibernates things.

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All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point
trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the
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George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.



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Re: Fedora's audience

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 04 December 2013, Frank sent:
> Guess all the 'younger' members are afraid to reply :)

Oi!I'm middle-aged.

I've played with computers since before the PC days (sending punch cards
in the post), ignored the C64 but used alternatives in the same era, had
fun with the Amiga while avoiding the hideous DOS/Windows world that I
saw at the school I worked at, got into Linux with Red Hat Linux 6 (the
first one that would actually install on my hardware), then migrated
over to Fedora when Red Hat changed the gameplan (and that did annoy a
lot of people).

I've dabbled with other Linuxes and BSD, enough to think they're much of
a muchness (similar or balanced capabilities, limits, and annoyances),
but different enough that I stuck with what I got used to.

-- 
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All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point
trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the
public lists.



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Re: Fedora's audience

[eoconno...@gmail.com]

Nonsense!so far I'm the "youngest"...I've been using Linux since Fedora 
9..& it has been a love-hate marriage.but I'm not leaving.EVER! 
This OS has got to be the BEST I've ever used!! To the 
developersmaintainers.marketerstestersand everyone involved 
with this distro?"THANK YOU SO MUCH"! times Infinity!!!LoL Happy 
Holidays to one and all...!

- Reply message -
From: "Frank" 
To: 
Subject: Fedora's audience
Date: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 4:16 pm


On 04/12/13 03:47 PM, ergodic wrote:
> OK I am 82.  My first Fedora Core install was FC-3 and before that Red Hat 4 
> if
> my memory does not trick me.
>
> Today running in different boxes, F-18, F-19, F-20beta.
> Multibooting Debian Wheezy, F-19 and Windows 8.1.
>
> My most sincere thanks to all the developers and contributors.
> Well done.
>
> M. A. MacLain
>   
> - Original Message -
>> Sorry for top posting. This phone doesn't allow bottom posting.
>>
>> I'm 57 years old and I have been using linux, more on than off, since
>> 1997, and exclusively since 2003 or so.
>> I find it is more stable than either windows or macos and more usable
>> than dos, even at the command prompt.
>>
>> Hth
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 18:25:02
>> To: 
>> Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users
>> 
>> Subject: Fedora's audience
>>
>>
>>  Recent exchanges here and in related places have reminded me
>> strongly of long discussions held on RedHat lists fifteen or twenty
>> years
>> ago.
>>
//snip//

>>
>>   By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring
>> in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more
>> fellow
>> retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here
>> have
>> such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them?
>>
>> --
>> --

Guess all the 'younger' members are afraid to reply :)

I am 72 (73 next month ) and have been running Linux since 1997...Fedora 
since 2010. along with Debian Sid and
Windows 7.
Best of the season to all developers-contributors and users.



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Re: Fedora's audience

[Steven Rosenberg]

I always turn to Fedora when I have new hardware because it's the
easiest way to get the latest kernels, drivers and other bits that
give that hardware the best chance of working. If it matters, I'm 47.


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ste...@stevenrosenberg.net


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Antonio Olivares  wrote:
>> Guess all the 'younger' members are afraid to reply :)
>>
>> I am 72 (73 next month ) and have been running Linux since 1997...Fedora
>> since 2010. along with Debian Sid and
>> Windows 7.
>> Best of the season to all developers-contributors and users.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>
> I am 38 yrs young and have been using linux since 2000/2001.  Fedora Core 2, 
> Fedora 3 and up to now Fedora 18/19 & 20 :)
> Using Slackware, Fedora and FreeBSD plus livecds Knoppix, SystemRescue, Slax, 
> Gparted, etc.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Antonio
>
> 
> FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your 
> desktop!
> Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium
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Re: local user get created magically ! system hacked ?

[Jehan Procaccia]

Le 04/12/2013 23:04, Rick Stevens a écrit :

On 12/04/2013 01:42 PM, Jehan Procaccia issued this missive:

Le 04/12/2013 18:51, Rick Stevens a écrit :

On 12/03/2013 11:47 PM, Michael Schwendt issued this missive:

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:08:04 +0100, Jehan Procaccia wrote:


hello
I use about a hundred fedora19 stations in computer labs at our 
school

users accounts comes from an ldap directory and the homedir is
automounted via NFS.
However, recently I noticed that on some stations, local user account
had been created !
looking at the log file, I discovered in /var/log/secure something 
like

this:

/accounts-daemon: request by system-bus-name ::1.733
[/usr/libexec/gnome-initial-setup pid:15259 uid:991]: create user
'foobar'//
//useradd[29724]: new group: name=foobar, GID=1001//
//secure-20131117:Nov 15 17:16:43 b3-4 useradd[29724]: new user:
name=susana, UID=1001, GID=1001, home=/home/susana, shell=/bin/bash//
//secure-20131117:Nov 15 17:16:43 b3-4 useradd[29724]: add 
'susana' to

group 'wheel'//
//secure-20131117:Nov 15 17:16:43 b3-4 useradd[29724]: add 
'susana' to

shadow group 'wheel'/

Scary ! how comes gnome-initial-setup could create users, and morever
add them to the wheel group !
could it be a bug in /gnome-initial-setup , /a feature side effect 
? or

our students found a "back door" ?
any suggestion greatly appreciated .


See what running

   /usr/libexec/gnome-initial-setup --force-new-user

does on one of your installed machines, where 'susana' has not been
active
before. Normally, it would prompt for the root password before
creating a
new account, but perhaps something else happens with your setup.


In the old days, a process called 'firstboot' was run immediately upon
the first boot after a fresh install. firstboot was responsible for a
number of things, but one of them was setting up the first user account
and adding it to the "wheel" group because it was expected to be the
administrator's account. firstboot never asked for the root password as
it assumed it was being run as part of the install process by a human
who installed the system and would already know the root password.
Hence, the first user account was, by default, an administrative
account in the wheel group who could sudo any command.

Once firstboot had been run, it disconnected itself from the boot
process by deleting a file in the root of the filesystem that an init
script looked for. If the file wasn't there, firstboot wouldn't run.

I don't run gnome (because it's so damned bloated), so I'm not sure 
what

gnome-initial-setup does, but I suspect it took its cues from the old
firstboot mechanism. If so, then what probably happened is that the
install process was interrupted after the OS was installed. Whoever did
the install did NOT go through the first boot. "susana" was probably 
the
first person to see the machine, booted it and got the first boot 
thing.

She added herself, not knowing exactly what this meant at the time. I
doubt she was being malicious.

These are just guesses, mind you, but seem to be a likely scenario.

This senario is very possible
we installed our station automatically (cobbler2 kickstart + cfengine3
for post config) and remotely , it is possible that some stations didn't
finish correctly the install process
and that the "firstboot" process didn't finished properly .
Do you know how to check on a station if the "firstboot process" state
is still "on" or "off", what about that mysterious file you mention
"/it disconnected itself from the boot //
//process by deleting a file in the root of the filesystem that an 
init //

//script looked for. If the file wasn't there, firstboot wouldn't run./"
what is its name ?


On old systems (e.g. CentOS 5/6), the /etc/rc.d/init.d/firstboot script
looked for an /etc/sysconfig/firstboot file. That file would contain
either

RUN_FIRSTBOOT=YES

to run firstboot, or

RUN_FIRSTBOOT=NO

so it didn't run. Also, if the /etc/reconfigSys file was present, then
firstboot would be run with the "--reconfig" option.

Again, I don't run gnome (I'm an XFCE user) so I don't know if it's a
systemd service that should run and then remove itself or what. To be
honest, I haven't done a fresh Fedora installation (F18 or F19) in a
while (I've "fedup"ped already installed systems).


could this pb be relatated to:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=968582
not sure, because on a station that has the pb it seems disabled:

# /bin/systemctl status initial-setup-text.service
initial-setup-text.service - Initial Setup configuration program 
(text mode)

Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/initial-setup-text.service;
disabled)
Active: inactive (dead)


It'd be interesting to bring up a system and see if that service is set
to start on the first boot after an install.


and I do run my kickstart with
firstboot --disabled


That may not have an effect as I don't think there is a "firstboot"
thing since we went to systemd/systemctl rather than the classic ini

Re: Fedora's audience

[Antonio Olivares]

> Guess all the 'younger' members are afraid to reply :)
> 
> I am 72 (73 next month ) and have been running Linux since 1997...Fedora
> since 2010. along with Debian Sid and
> Windows 7.
> Best of the season to all developers-contributors and users.
> 
> 
> 
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I am 38 yrs young and have been using linux since 2000/2001.  Fedora Core 2, 
Fedora 3 and up to now Fedora 18/19 & 20 :)
Using Slackware, Fedora and FreeBSD plus livecds Knoppix, SystemRescue, Slax, 
Gparted, etc.

Best Regards,


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Re: local user get created magically ! system hacked ?

[Rick Stevens]

On 12/04/2013 01:42 PM, Jehan Procaccia issued this missive:

Le 04/12/2013 18:51, Rick Stevens a écrit :

On 12/03/2013 11:47 PM, Michael Schwendt issued this missive:

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:08:04 +0100, Jehan Procaccia wrote:


hello
I use about a hundred fedora19 stations in computer labs at our school
users accounts comes from an ldap directory and the homedir is
automounted via NFS.
However, recently I noticed that on some stations, local user account
had been created !
looking at the log file, I discovered in /var/log/secure something like
this:

/accounts-daemon: request by system-bus-name ::1.733
[/usr/libexec/gnome-initial-setup pid:15259 uid:991]: create user
'foobar'//
//useradd[29724]: new group: name=foobar, GID=1001//
//secure-20131117:Nov 15 17:16:43 b3-4 useradd[29724]: new user:
name=susana, UID=1001, GID=1001, home=/home/susana, shell=/bin/bash//
//secure-20131117:Nov 15 17:16:43 b3-4 useradd[29724]: add 'susana' to
group 'wheel'//
//secure-20131117:Nov 15 17:16:43 b3-4 useradd[29724]: add 'susana' to
shadow group 'wheel'/

Scary ! how comes gnome-initial-setup could create users, and morever
add them to the wheel group !
could it be a bug in /gnome-initial-setup , /a feature side effect ? or
our students found a "back door" ?
any suggestion greatly appreciated .


See what running

   /usr/libexec/gnome-initial-setup --force-new-user

does on one of your installed machines, where 'susana' has not been
active
before. Normally, it would prompt for the root password before
creating a
new account, but perhaps something else happens with your setup.


In the old days, a process called 'firstboot' was run immediately upon
the first boot after a fresh install. firstboot was responsible for a
number of things, but one of them was setting up the first user account
and adding it to the "wheel" group because it was expected to be the
administrator's account. firstboot never asked for the root password as
it assumed it was being run as part of the install process by a human
who installed the system and would already know the root password.
Hence, the first user account was, by default, an administrative
account in the wheel group who could sudo any command.

Once firstboot had been run, it disconnected itself from the boot
process by deleting a file in the root of the filesystem that an init
script looked for. If the file wasn't there, firstboot wouldn't run.

I don't run gnome (because it's so damned bloated), so I'm not sure what
gnome-initial-setup does, but I suspect it took its cues from the old
firstboot mechanism. If so, then what probably happened is that the
install process was interrupted after the OS was installed. Whoever did
the install did NOT go through the first boot. "susana" was probably the
first person to see the machine, booted it and got the first boot thing.
She added herself, not knowing exactly what this meant at the time. I
doubt she was being malicious.

These are just guesses, mind you, but seem to be a likely scenario.

This senario is very possible
we installed our station automatically (cobbler2 kickstart + cfengine3
for post config) and remotely , it is possible that some stations didn't
finish correctly the install process
and that the "firstboot" process didn't finished properly .
Do you know how to check on a station if the "firstboot process" state
is still "on" or "off", what about that mysterious file you mention
"/it disconnected itself from the boot //
//process by deleting a file in the root of the filesystem that an init //
//script looked for. If the file wasn't there, firstboot wouldn't run./"
what is its name ?


On old systems (e.g. CentOS 5/6), the /etc/rc.d/init.d/firstboot script
looked for an /etc/sysconfig/firstboot file. That file would contain
either

RUN_FIRSTBOOT=YES

to run firstboot, or

RUN_FIRSTBOOT=NO

so it didn't run. Also, if the /etc/reconfigSys file was present, then
firstboot would be run with the "--reconfig" option.

Again, I don't run gnome (I'm an XFCE user) so I don't know if it's a
systemd service that should run and then remove itself or what. To be
honest, I haven't done a fresh Fedora installation (F18 or F19) in a
while (I've "fedup"ped already installed systems).


could this pb be relatated to:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=968582
not sure, because on a station that has the pb it seems disabled:

# /bin/systemctl status initial-setup-text.service
initial-setup-text.service - Initial Setup configuration program (text mode)
Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/initial-setup-text.service;
disabled)
Active: inactive (dead)


It'd be interesting to bring up a system and see if that service is set
to start on the first boot after an install.


and I do run my kickstart with
firstboot --disabled


That may not have an effect as I don't think there is a "firstboot"
thing since we went to systemd/systemctl rather than the classic init
scripts. I think that initial-setup-text.service and/o

Re: Fedora OpenID not working

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi Kevin,

On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 08:56:23AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2013 14:54:44 +0100
> Suvayu Ali  wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm trying to login to Fedora copr, but I keep getting "502 Bad
> > Gateway. The server returned an invalid or incomplete response."  from
> > id.fedoraproject.org.  I can login to FAS though.  Can anyone confirm?
> > 
> > Where do I report problems like these?
> 
> First check: http://status.fedoraproject.org/ to make sure there's no
> known outage going on. 
> 
> Then, you can ask in #fedora-admin on irc.freenode.net, file a ticket
> at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/newticket (but of
> course that needs openid working too), or (last recourse) mail
> ad...@fedoraproject.org

Thanks, next time I will keep that in mind.

> 
> It's working ok here right now... is it still giving you problems? 

It started working again a few hours ago.  But I see some problems with
copr (builds finish, but repo creation fails[1]).  I'll try to report
this.

Cheers,


Footnotes:

[1] 


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Re: local user get created magically ! system hacked ?

[Jehan Procaccia]

Le 04/12/2013 18:51, Rick Stevens a écrit :

On 12/03/2013 11:47 PM, Michael Schwendt issued this missive:

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:08:04 +0100, Jehan Procaccia wrote:


hello
I use about a hundred fedora19 stations in computer labs at our school
users accounts comes from an ldap directory and the homedir is
automounted via NFS.
However, recently I noticed that on some stations, local user account
had been created !
looking at the log file, I discovered in /var/log/secure something like
this:

/accounts-daemon: request by system-bus-name ::1.733
[/usr/libexec/gnome-initial-setup pid:15259 uid:991]: create user 
'foobar'//

//useradd[29724]: new group: name=foobar, GID=1001//
//secure-20131117:Nov 15 17:16:43 b3-4 useradd[29724]: new user:
name=susana, UID=1001, GID=1001, home=/home/susana, shell=/bin/bash//
//secure-20131117:Nov 15 17:16:43 b3-4 useradd[29724]: add 'susana' to
group 'wheel'//
//secure-20131117:Nov 15 17:16:43 b3-4 useradd[29724]: add 'susana' to
shadow group 'wheel'/

Scary ! how comes gnome-initial-setup could create users, and morever
add them to the wheel group !
could it be a bug in /gnome-initial-setup , /a feature side effect ? or
our students found a "back door" ?
any suggestion greatly appreciated .


See what running

   /usr/libexec/gnome-initial-setup --force-new-user

does on one of your installed machines, where 'susana' has not been 
active
before. Normally, it would prompt for the root password before 
creating a

new account, but perhaps something else happens with your setup.


In the old days, a process called 'firstboot' was run immediately upon
the first boot after a fresh install. firstboot was responsible for a
number of things, but one of them was setting up the first user account
and adding it to the "wheel" group because it was expected to be the
administrator's account. firstboot never asked for the root password as
it assumed it was being run as part of the install process by a human
who installed the system and would already know the root password.
Hence, the first user account was, by default, an administrative
account in the wheel group who could sudo any command.

Once firstboot had been run, it disconnected itself from the boot
process by deleting a file in the root of the filesystem that an init
script looked for. If the file wasn't there, firstboot wouldn't run.

I don't run gnome (because it's so damned bloated), so I'm not sure what
gnome-initial-setup does, but I suspect it took its cues from the old
firstboot mechanism. If so, then what probably happened is that the 
install process was interrupted after the OS was installed. Whoever did

the install did NOT go through the first boot. "susana" was probably the
first person to see the machine, booted it and got the first boot thing.
She added herself, not knowing exactly what this meant at the time. I
doubt she was being malicious.

These are just guesses, mind you, but seem to be a likely scenario.
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This senario is very possible
we installed our station automatically (cobbler2 kickstart + cfengine3 
for post config) and remotely , it is possible that some stations didn't 
finish correctly the install process

and that the "firstboot" process didn't finished properly .
Do you know how to check on a station if the "firstboot process" state 
is still "on" or "off", what about that mysterious file you mention

"/it disconnected itself from the boot //
//process by deleting a file in the root of the filesystem that an init //
//script looked for. If the file wasn't there, firstboot wouldn't run./"
what is its name ?

could this pb be relatated to:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=968582
not sure, because on a station that has the pb it seems disabled:

# /bin/systemctl status initial-setup-text.service
initial-setup-text.service - Initial Setup configuration program (text mode)
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/initial-setup-text.service; 
disabled)

   Active: inactive (dead)

and I do run my kickstart with
firstboot --disabled

 if you have other suggestions on how to prevent my users to create 
local "wheel" account , let me know !


Thanks .
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Re: Fedora's audience

[Frank]

On 04/12/13 03:47 PM, ergodic wrote:

OK I am 82.  My first Fedora Core install was FC-3 and before that Red Hat 4 if
my memory does not trick me.

Today running in different boxes, F-18, F-19, F-20beta.
Multibooting Debian Wheezy, F-19 and Windows 8.1.

My most sincere thanks to all the developers and contributors.
Well done.

M. A. MacLain
  
- Original Message -

Sorry for top posting. This phone doesn't allow bottom posting.

I'm 57 years old and I have been using linux, more on than off, since
1997, and exclusively since 2003 or so.
I find it is more stable than either windows or macos and more usable
than dos, even at the command prompt.

Hth

Dave


Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 18:25:02
To: 
Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users

Subject: Fedora's audience


Recent exchanges here and in related places have reminded me
strongly of long discussions held on RedHat lists fifteen or twenty
years
ago.


//snip//



 By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring
in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more
fellow
retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here
have
such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them?

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Guess all the 'younger' members are afraid to reply :)

I am 72 (73 next month ) and have been running Linux since 1997...Fedora 
since 2010. along with Debian Sid and

Windows 7.
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Re: Default browser

[Rolf Turner]

On 12/05/13 06:42, Beartooth wrote:

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 01:32:33 +0100, poma wrote:


On 03.12.2013 19:09, Beartooth wrote:


Thank you, sir!

Aahh, these are the first kind words from you.
Much obliged.
I hope it was not too difficult to utter.

So far, I have seen nothing but sneers and snarls from this
poster, sometimes accompanied by URLs which look relevant but are
actually off question. Now he has added untruth to his neo-trollery. I
see no reason ever to read anything more he may post; and I remind all
concerned of the sage advice not to feed trolls.


A few months ago I was having some problems in respite of WiFi 
connections, and
asked this list about them.  I got a response from "poma" which was 
completely
cryptic and (to me) incomprehensible, but after a bit of nudging "poma" 
provided
me with a step-by-step recipe to diagnose and rectify my problem. So I 
have evidence
that he (I assume "he") can be kind and helpful if approached properly 
and with

sufficient persistence.

I never did get around to thanking "poma" for his assistance; this was 
churlish

of me.  My apologies to "poma".

That being said I do find most of his (?) posts to be cryptic, flippant, 
bewildering,
unutterably terse and impossible to understand.  It is not clear to me 
whether
he aims at being bewildering or simply doesn't realize that no-one (or 
hardly

anyone) else in the world is on his wave-length.

At any rate I would hesitate to write him off as a "troll" or to ignore 
his posts
completely.  Just treat most of his posts with a shrug and delete them.  
There

will be (probably) be the occasional useful gem.

cheers,

Rolf Turner

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Re: Fedora's audience

[ergodic]

OK I am 82.  My first Fedora Core install was FC-3 and before that Red Hat 4 if 
my memory does not trick me.

Today running in different boxes, F-18, F-19, F-20beta.
Multibooting Debian Wheezy, F-19 and Windows 8.1.

My most sincere thanks to all the developers and contributors.
Well done.

M. A. MacLain
 
- Original Message -
> Sorry for top posting. This phone doesn't allow bottom posting.
> 
> I'm 57 years old and I have been using linux, more on than off, since
> 1997, and exclusively since 2003 or so.
> I find it is more stable than either windows or macos and more usable
> than dos, even at the command prompt.
> 
> Hth
> 
> Dave
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Mobilicity
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Beartooth 
> Sender: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 18:25:02
> To: 
> Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users
> 
> Subject: Fedora's audience
> 
> 
>   Recent exchanges here and in related places have reminded me
> strongly of long discussions held on RedHat lists fifteen or twenty
> years
> ago.
> 
>   Was (now is) RH/F, and Linux generally, *for* all & sundry? Or
> was/is it essentially a plaything of the Alpha Plus Technoids? Which
> *should* it be?
> 
>   That distinction applied to shoes and ships and sealing wax, to
> cabbages and kings; i.e., all the way from designing new apps for
> GUI,
> for CLI only, or for some compromise -- to what sorts of posters and
> questions ought to be welcome or unwelcome on the public lists.
> 
>   I remember pointing out repeatedly that when the Baby Boomers
> began to retire, and cease to be bound to their employers' systems,
> some
> fraction of them would take up Linux -- and it wouldn't need a very
> big
> fraction of their numbers to make a substantial difference to Linux.
> 
>   To the best of my recollection, that issue never resolved into
> any consensus. RedHat changed its whole strategy, and suddenly many
> of us
> had far more urgent concerns than just the philosophic ones.
> 
>By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring
> in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more
> fellow
> retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here
> have
> such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them?
> 
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Re: Fedora's audience

[davidschaak1]

Sorry for top posting. This phone doesn't allow bottom posting.

I'm 57 years old and I have been using linux, more on than off, since 1997, and 
exclusively since 2003 or so.
I find it is more stable than either windows or macos and more usable than dos, 
even at the command prompt.

Hth

Dave

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-Original Message-
From: Beartooth 
Sender: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 18:25:02 
To: 
Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Fedora's audience


Recent exchanges here and in related places have reminded me 
strongly of long discussions held on RedHat lists fifteen or twenty years 
ago. 

Was (now is) RH/F, and Linux generally, *for* all & sundry? Or 
was/is it essentially a plaything of the Alpha Plus Technoids? Which 
*should* it be?

That distinction applied to shoes and ships and sealing wax, to 
cabbages and kings; i.e., all the way from designing new apps for GUI, 
for CLI only, or for some compromise -- to what sorts of posters and 
questions ought to be welcome or unwelcome on the public lists. 

I remember pointing out repeatedly that when the Baby Boomers 
began to retire, and cease to be bound to their employers' systems, some 
fraction of them would take up Linux -- and it wouldn't need a very big 
fraction of their numbers to make a substantial difference to Linux. 

To the best of my recollection, that issue never resolved into 
any consensus. RedHat changed its whole strategy, and suddenly many of us 
had far more urgent concerns than just the philosophic ones.

 By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring 
in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more fellow 
retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here have 
such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them?

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Re: Fedora's audience

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/04/2013 10:25 AM, Beartooth wrote:

 By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring
in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more fellow
retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here have
such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them?


All I can say is that I'm an early Boomer, I'm 64 and retired two years 
ago.  However, I've been playing with Linux since about '98 or so, 
although it wasn't my primary OS until about the time that F9 came out.

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Re: Fedora's audience

[David]

On 12/4/2013 1:25 PM, Beartooth wrote:
> 
>   Recent exchanges here and in related places have reminded me 
> strongly of long discussions held on RedHat lists fifteen or twenty years 
> ago. 
> 
>   Was (now is) RH/F, and Linux generally, *for* all & sundry? Or 
> was/is it essentially a plaything of the Alpha Plus Technoids? Which 
> *should* it be?
> 
>   That distinction applied to shoes and ships and sealing wax, to 
> cabbages and kings; i.e., all the way from designing new apps for GUI, 
> for CLI only, or for some compromise -- to what sorts of posters and 
> questions ought to be welcome or unwelcome on the public lists. 
> 
>   I remember pointing out repeatedly that when the Baby Boomers 
> began to retire, and cease to be bound to their employers' systems, some 
> fraction of them would take up Linux -- and it wouldn't need a very big 
> fraction of their numbers to make a substantial difference to Linux. 
> 
>   To the best of my recollection, that issue never resolved into 
> any consensus. RedHat changed its whole strategy, and suddenly many of us 
> had far more urgent concerns than just the philosophic ones.
> 
>By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring 
> in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more fellow 
> retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here have 
> such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them?
> 


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Fedora's audience

[Beartooth]

Recent exchanges here and in related places have reminded me 
strongly of long discussions held on RedHat lists fifteen or twenty years 
ago. 

Was (now is) RH/F, and Linux generally, *for* all & sundry? Or 
was/is it essentially a plaything of the Alpha Plus Technoids? Which 
*should* it be?

That distinction applied to shoes and ships and sealing wax, to 
cabbages and kings; i.e., all the way from designing new apps for GUI, 
for CLI only, or for some compromise -- to what sorts of posters and 
questions ought to be welcome or unwelcome on the public lists. 

I remember pointing out repeatedly that when the Baby Boomers 
began to retire, and cease to be bound to their employers' systems, some 
fraction of them would take up Linux -- and it wouldn't need a very big 
fraction of their numbers to make a substantial difference to Linux. 

To the best of my recollection, that issue never resolved into 
any consensus. RedHat changed its whole strategy, and suddenly many of us 
had far more urgent concerns than just the philosophic ones.

 By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring 
in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more fellow 
retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here have 
such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them?

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Re: local user get created magically ! system hacked ?

[Rick Stevens]

On 12/03/2013 11:47 PM, Michael Schwendt issued this missive:

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:08:04 +0100, Jehan Procaccia wrote:


hello
I use about a hundred fedora19 stations in computer labs at our school
users accounts comes from an ldap directory and the homedir is
automounted via NFS.
However, recently I noticed that on some stations, local user account
had been created !
looking at the log file, I discovered in /var/log/secure  something like
this:

/accounts-daemon: request by system-bus-name ::1.733
[/usr/libexec/gnome-initial-setup pid:15259 uid:991]: create user 'foobar'//
//useradd[29724]: new group: name=foobar, GID=1001//
//secure-20131117:Nov 15 17:16:43 b3-4 useradd[29724]: new user:
name=susana, UID=1001, GID=1001, home=/home/susana, shell=/bin/bash//
//secure-20131117:Nov 15 17:16:43 b3-4 useradd[29724]: add 'susana' to
group 'wheel'//
//secure-20131117:Nov 15 17:16:43 b3-4 useradd[29724]: add 'susana' to
shadow group 'wheel'/

Scary ! how comes gnome-initial-setup could create users, and morever
add them to the wheel group !
could it be a bug in /gnome-initial-setup , /a feature side effect ? or
our students found a "back door" ?
any suggestion greatly appreciated .


See what running

   /usr/libexec/gnome-initial-setup --force-new-user

does on one of your installed machines, where 'susana' has not been active
before. Normally, it would prompt for the root password before creating a
new account, but perhaps something else happens with your setup.


In the old days, a process called 'firstboot' was run immediately upon
the first boot after a fresh install. firstboot was responsible for a
number of things, but one of them was setting up the first user account
and adding it to the "wheel" group because it was expected to be the
administrator's account. firstboot never asked for the root password as
it assumed it was being run as part of the install process by a human
who installed the system and would already know the root password.
Hence, the first user account was, by default, an administrative
account in the wheel group who could sudo any command.

Once firstboot had been run, it disconnected itself from the boot
process by deleting a file in the root of the filesystem that an init
script looked for. If the file wasn't there, firstboot wouldn't run.

I don't run gnome (because it's so damned bloated), so I'm not sure what
gnome-initial-setup does, but I suspect it took its cues from the old
firstboot mechanism. If so, then what probably happened is that the 
install process was interrupted after the OS was installed. Whoever did

the install did NOT go through the first boot. "susana" was probably the
first person to see the machine, booted it and got the first boot thing.
She added herself, not knowing exactly what this meant at the time. I
doubt she was being malicious.

These are just guesses, mind you, but seem to be a likely scenario.
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Re: Default browser

[poma]

On 04.12.2013 18:42, Beartooth wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 01:32:33 +0100, poma wrote:
> 
>> On 03.12.2013 19:09, Beartooth wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, sir!
>>
>> Aahh, these are the first kind words from you.
>> Much obliged.
>> I hope it was not too difficult to utter.
> 
>   So far, I have seen nothing but sneers and snarls from this 
> poster, sometimes accompanied by URLs which look relevant but are 
> actually off question. Now he has added untruth to his neo-trollery. I 
> see no reason ever to read anything more he may post; and I remind all 
> concerned of the sage advice not to feed trolls.
> 

Thank you very much Chief Beartooth.


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Re: Default browser

[Beartooth]

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 01:32:33 +0100, poma wrote:

> On 03.12.2013 19:09, Beartooth wrote:
> 
>>  Thank you, sir!
> 
> Aahh, these are the first kind words from you.
> Much obliged.
> I hope it was not too difficult to utter.

So far, I have seen nothing but sneers and snarls from this 
poster, sometimes accompanied by URLs which look relevant but are 
actually off question. Now he has added untruth to his neo-trollery. I 
see no reason ever to read anything more he may post; and I remind all 
concerned of the sage advice not to feed trolls.

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Re: yum repository-packages fedora install

[poma]

On 04.12.2013 16:05, George R Goffe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I'm just learning about yum and so, I just ran the above command.
> This caused yum to try to install ALL the packages in the fedora
> repository.
> 
> Yum proceeded to do Dependency Resolution which generated a ton of
> errors.
> 
> Would it be useful for me to post this list of error messages?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> George...
> 

man 8 yum
by Seth Vidal


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Re: yum repository-packages fedora install

[poma]

On 04.12.2013 17:48, Mark Haney wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/4/2013 11:27 AM, poma wrote:
>> On 04.12.2013 16:17, Mark Haney wrote:
>>> What exactly are you trying to do?  When posting it would more
>>> helpful
> 
>> https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/reply-above-or-below-quoted-text
> 
> 
> 
>> poma
> 
> 
> Really?  You're going to go there?  Man, I REALLY dislike being
> preached at when it was a simple mistake.  I certainly do not need you
> to tell me how to post. I've been posting to the RH/Fedora lists for a
> long time.
> 
> Be the last bloody time I try to help someone on this list.
> Idiot.
> 
> 

It only hurts your ego, so do not brake so easily.
And it's not a shame to ask if something is not clear.


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Re: yum repository-packages fedora install

[Pomidora Belisima]

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Marvin Kosmal  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I don't post any more.
>
> Something changed in google..  I don't know how to bottom post now..
>
> Maybe I will download and use Thunderbird for my mail client?
>
> TIA
>
> Marvin
>
>
This is sent via gmail web interface.
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Re: yum repository-packages fedora install

[Marvin Kosmal]

Hi

I don't post any more.

Something changed in google..  I don't know how to bottom post now..

Maybe I will download and use Thunderbird for my mail client?

TIA

Marvin


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Re: yum repository-packages fedora install

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On 12/4/2013 11:27 AM, poma wrote:
> On 04.12.2013 16:17, Mark Haney wrote:
>> What exactly are you trying to do?  When posting it would more
>> helpful
> 
> https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/reply-above-or-below-quoted-text
>
> 
> 
> poma
> 

Really?  You're going to go there?  Man, I REALLY dislike being
preached at when it was a simple mistake.  I certainly do not need you
to tell me how to post. I've been posting to the RH/Fedora lists for a
long time.

Be the last bloody time I try to help someone on this list.
Idiot.

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Re: yum repository-packages fedora install

[poma]

On 04.12.2013 16:17, Mark Haney wrote:
> What exactly are you trying to do?  When posting it would more helpful

https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/reply-above-or-below-quoted-text


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Re: Fedora OpenID not working

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, 4 Dec 2013 14:54:44 +0100
Suvayu Ali  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to login to Fedora copr, but I keep getting "502 Bad
> Gateway. The server returned an invalid or incomplete response."  from
> id.fedoraproject.org.  I can login to FAS though.  Can anyone confirm?
> 
> Where do I report problems like these?

First check: http://status.fedoraproject.org/ to make sure there's no
known outage going on. 

Then, you can ask in #fedora-admin on irc.freenode.net, file a ticket
at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/newticket (but of
course that needs openid working too), or (last recourse) mail
ad...@fedoraproject.org

It's working ok here right now... is it still giving you problems? 

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Re: yum repository-packages fedora install

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What exactly are you trying to do?  When posting it would more helpful
if you explained what you were trying to accomplish.  Especially when
running commands.

On 12/4/2013 10:05 AM, George R Goffe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I'm just learning about yum and so, I just ran the above command.
> This caused yum to try to install ALL the packages in the fedora
> repository.
> 
> Yum proceeded to do Dependency Resolution which generated a ton of
> errors.
> 
> Would it be useful for me to post this list of error messages?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> George...
> 

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yum repository-packages fedora install

[George R Goffe]

Hi,


I'm just learning about yum and so, I just ran the above command. This caused 
yum to try to install ALL the packages in the fedora repository.

Yum proceeded to do Dependency Resolution which generated a ton of errors.

Would it be useful for me to post this list of error messages?

Thanks,

George...

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Fedora OpenID not working

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi,

I'm trying to login to Fedora copr, but I keep getting "502 Bad Gateway.
The server returned an invalid or incomplete response."  from
id.fedoraproject.org.  I can login to FAS though.  Can anyone confirm?

Where do I report problems like these?

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Re: evince

[Ed Greshko]

On 12/04/13 19:59, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 12/04/13 19:16, Tim wrote:
>> Allegedly, on or about 04 December 2013, Ed Greshko sent:
>>> The fact that it fails with the google-croscore-symbolneu-fonts
>>> package as well would indicate that it isn't a font file issue.  In
>>> fact, if you use something such as the Gnome Character Map you'd see
>>> that the character displays properly in that app no matter which font
>>> you select.
>> What about other PDF rendering applications?
>>
> You would have to ask that question and screw things up  :-)
>
> okular also exhibits the same failure.  The dreaded acroread does not.  xpdf 
> also does not exhibit a failure.
>
> lsof shows xpdf using
>
> /usr/share/fonts/default/Type1/s05l.pfb   and 
> /usr/share/fonts/default/Type1/n021003l.pfb
>
> While acroread appears to be using only  
> /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf
>
> This is on F19.
>
>

Maybe an ah ha moment.

Selecting Symbol Neu font in LibreOffice Word and typing ∆ results in an empty 
square being displayed.  This would seem to indicate that Symbol Neu doesn't 
have the glyph for U+2206 and somehow there is a problem when a substitute font 
is chosen.   

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Re: evince

[Ed Greshko]

On 12/04/13 19:16, Tim wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 04 December 2013, Ed Greshko sent:
>> The fact that it fails with the google-croscore-symbolneu-fonts
>> package as well would indicate that it isn't a font file issue.  In
>> fact, if you use something such as the Gnome Character Map you'd see
>> that the character displays properly in that app no matter which font
>> you select.
> What about other PDF rendering applications?
>

You would have to ask that question and screw things up  :-)

okular also exhibits the same failure.  The dreaded acroread does not.  xpdf 
also does not exhibit a failure.

lsof shows xpdf using

/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1/s05l.pfb   and 
/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1/n021003l.pfb

While acroread appears to be using only  /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf

This is on F19.


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Re: optimal(?) layout of fedora 19 with one SSD drive and one regular HD?

[Roberto Ragusa]

On 12/04/2013 05:07 AM, Tim wrote:
> If hibernating is going to be a memory dump to hard drive, then the hard
> drive space (it's using the swap file/partition) *needs* to be big
> enough.  Doing something that *might* work, doesn't fit the definition
> of doing what *needs* to be done, to make it work.
> 
> Compression isn't always possible.  Attempting to rely on something that
> might work is pretty much guaranteed to bite you on the bum at the time
> you needed it to work.

Then, you must also consider that some swap space could be already used
when you hibernate.
You need to have enough _free_ swap space.

(It happened to me in the past to have to close some applications to fit
the hibernation image into the available swap space, it's annoying,...)

BTW, I'm not sure about compression; I remember a time when tuxonice
supported compression (and saved cache), while the mainline hibernation
did not have compression (and discarded cache).
Maybe things have changed.

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Re: evince

[poma]

On 04.12.2013 11:37, Ed Greshko wrote:
> 
> [egreshko@meimei F20-TC4]$ echo Δ | od -bc

You are running ahead, Ed.
F20 ain't an official, so
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test


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Re: evince

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 04 December 2013, Ed Greshko sent:
> The fact that it fails with the google-croscore-symbolneu-fonts
> package as well would indicate that it isn't a font file issue.  In
> fact, if you use something such as the Gnome Character Map you'd see
> that the character displays properly in that app no matter which font
> you select.

What about other PDF rendering applications?

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Re: evince

[Ed Greshko]

On 12/04/13 18:37, Ed Greshko wrote:
> The fact that it fails with the google-croscore-symbolneu-fonts package as 
> well would indicate that it isn't a font file issue.  In fact, if you use 
> something such as the Gnome Character Map you'd see that the character 
> displays properly in that app no matter which font you select.

The KDE utility kcharselect is actually a bit better when paired with the 
output of od as it shows

Various Useful Representations
UTF-8: 0xE2 0x88 0x86
UTF-16: 0x2206
C octal escaped UTF-8: \342\210\206


Which matches what I previous wrote


[egreshko@meimei ~]$ echo ∆ | od -bc
000 342 210 206 012
342 210 206 \n



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Re: evince

[Ed Greshko]

On 12/04/13 18:19, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>>> In looking at the document's properties and selecting the "fonts" tab I 
>>> noticed that it was using /usr/share/fonts/google-croscore/SymbolNeu.ttf 
>>> for symbols on my F19 system. This comes with the 
>>> google-croscore-symbolneu-fonts package. Erasing this package resulted in a 
>>> "delta" being displayed as /usr/share/fonts/default/Type1/s05l.pfb is 
>>> now being used.
> In my case, I use for symbol:
> /usr/sahre/fonts/wine-symbol-fonts/symbol.ttf
>
> In my opinion, this is the faultry font.
> I dug a bit,
>
> In the symbol font, the Delta character is U+0394, while the increment 
> character
> is U+2206 (looks very simiar to a Delta), and it is just beside the empty set
> character U+2205, the one which is probably displayed (like a Phi).
> So, there is a mess up here.

Since I don't have wine installed on my system, I don't have 
/usr/share/fonts/wine-symbol-fonts/symbol.ttf .

The fact that it fails with the google-croscore-symbolneu-fonts package as well 
would indicate that it isn't a font file issue.  In fact, if you use something 
such as the Gnome Character Map you'd see that the character displays properly 
in that app no matter which font you select.

Additionally, the character in your test.pdf is U+2206.

I copied it and pasted it to terminal in the following manner

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ echo ∆ | od -bc
000 342 210 206 012
   342 210 206  \n

While the Delta character is U+0394 produces...

[egreshko@meimei F20-TC4]$ echo Δ | od -bc
000 316 224 012
   316 224  \n

For completeness..

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ echo ∅ | od -bc
000 342 210 205 012
   342 210 205  \n

Pretty sure this is an evince issue

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1037882

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Re: evince

[Patrick Dupre]

> >
> > In looking at the document's properties and selecting the "fonts" tab I 
> > noticed that it was using /usr/share/fonts/google-croscore/SymbolNeu.ttf 
> > for symbols on my F19 system. This comes with the 
> > google-croscore-symbolneu-fonts package. Erasing this package resulted in a 
> > "delta" being displayed as /usr/share/fonts/default/Type1/s05l.pfb is 
> > now being used.
In my case, I use for symbol:
/usr/sahre/fonts/wine-symbol-fonts/symbol.ttf

In my opinion, this is the faultry font.
I dug a bit,

In the symbol font, the Delta character is U+0394, while the increment character
is U+2206 (looks very simiar to a Delta), and it is just beside the empty set
character U+2205, the one which is probably displayed (like a Phi).
So, there is a mess up here.


> >
> >
> 
> FWIW, the same issue exists in the current F20 Beta. I'll be filling a 
> bugzilla on this.
> 
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