Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 23:28:29 -0800 Edward Mart wrote: > On 2/12/2014 4:55 PM, g wrote: > > it is a good suggestion, but installing linux and keeping xp for > > games, etc and never putting it back on internet is also a better > > choice over upgrading > > until one those games or apps require an update That's the point, most XP stuff will not be updated, incl games. or windows > itself to continue working properly;-) It will continue to work, if you look after it. ___ Regards Frank frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
On 2/12/2014 4:55 PM, g wrote: it is a good suggestion, but installing linux and keeping xp for games, etc and never putting it back on internet is also a better choice over upgrading until one those games or apps require an update or windows itself to continue working properly;-) -- "Education is our passport to the future, for tomorrow belongs to the people who prepare for it today." Malcolm X -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: New Install
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:05:47 +1030 Leo Simmonds wrote: > I used LiveUSB, I've now tried the Unetbootin and that doesnt work > either, as comes up with a different error, saying BOOTMGR is > missing... > use dd /iso to /usb/disk method. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB#litd ___ Regards Frank frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
On 02/13/2014 02:05 AM, Roger wrote: I know your pain. But a clean Linux install shouldn't take that long. Only an update-install, which is based on what was previously installed (and has to churn through assessing it and all the updates that will be needed), should take that long to run. agreed. centos with a default install is very easy to talk someone thru. once installed, remote console can be setup and "good to go" thereafter. Many thanks to all who responded to this dilemma. I really don't > want to touch it but it's someone I have known for 30 years, we > worked together though remotely, producing a quarterly newsletter > for 10 years. Trust me, she is so slow and requires confirmation > at each small step, having to explain each step takes time. (bwg) sounds like some of my mom's friends, so i can very well understand what you are saying. some folks just like to be cautious. Fortunately I am adept at ubuntu and Fedora installs so apart from the above it should be painless. > My main concern is how to save her emails, photos and poetry to a usb drive. Linux to linux is easy. if you can wait on wiping oos, simply by mounting the oos partition, you should well be able to copy over all that you are wanting to save for her. thunderbird can import most any emails that would be on an oos box. as for photos, .gif, .jpg, .png, are same in any os. an easy way to find them that i have used many time is to; ]$ su -c updatedb with oos mounted. after update; ]$ locate .gif|grep /path/to/oos> gif.001 ]$ locate .jpg|grep /path/to/oos> jpg.001 ]$ locate .png|grep /path/to/oos> png.001 and you have 3 listings of graphic files. granted, you will have files from various progs, but that can be minimized by noting file locations and run a 'grep' on pic files to get only what you want. same would apply for poetry. running grep against her user path will give you what you want. I'll look at centOS it is only an older version of fedora that became redhat. ;-) With Grub, I have ubuntu13.04 on first partition and Fedora 19 on the second partition, Ubuntu Grub allows me to select between those as well as another fedora on a separate hard drive so I guess it > will find the windows partition. The windows mbr is what has me > troubled so a fresh linux install will be the best option. if you have ubuntu and fedora already installed, you have no need to worry about mbr. Thanks again welcome again. Roger -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc.hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
RE: New Install
I used LiveUSB, I've now tried the Unetbootin and that doesnt work either, as comes up with a different error, saying BOOTMGR is missing... To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org From: eoconno...@gmail.com Subject: Re: New Install Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:42:19 -0500 Maybe try downloading the F20 installer again?...did you use Unetbootin to get the files on the USB? - Reply message - From: "Leo Simmonds" To: "users@lists.fedoraproject.org" Subject: New Install Date: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 11:10 am Hi, I have v20 on a USB drive and want to install on a new machine with no OS currently in place. When I boot, the Fedora install page comes up but then goes into "Starting Dracut Emergency Shell" after the "Warning: Can't mount root filesystem" What now? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 'module' object has no attribute 'RPMSENSE_GREATER'
Sounds good to me.
I do have another box with a properly working Fedora 20.
I shall use that as you suggest.
(I shall update this box to 20 as soon as the rest is sorted.)
Thank you very much again for your help.
Cheers,
Stephen
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 07:08:50 PM T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:
> > I think I need to start with force reloading of the original Python setup.
> >
> > Could you please advise on how to do this.
>
> It will be a lot easier if you have another Fedora system or virtual
> machine with a working yum. If you don't, you'll have to manually
> locate and download all the packages from the rpm query and the core
> interpreter packages from http://download.fedoraproject.org/ which
> would be time-consuming and painful. With another system with a
> working yum, you can let the working yum do all the heavy lifting for
> you.
>
> On your broken system, obtain a list of all Python libraries and
> packages and save it to a file:
> rpm -q --qf='%{name}\n' --whatrequires 'python(abi)' > /tmp/pypkgs
>
> You'll notice that python-rpm is included in that list along with any
> other RPMs that install stuff into
> /usr/lib{,64}/python2.7/site-packages/. Unfortunately, anything you
> installed with 'pip' or 'easy_install' won't be reflected in that, but
> I fear those are already lost. You'll have to manually restore them
> with pip or easy_install after this is all done, since pip doesn't
> seem to log installs anywhere by default AFAICT.
>
> Anyway, now you can copy that file to the box with the working yum.
> Then, on that system with the working yum, create a temporary
> directory to download all the packages to and cd to it:
> mkdir /tmp/pyrpms
> cd /tmp/pyrpms
>
> Download the core interpreter packages for F17 x86_64:
> yumdownloader --releasever=17 --archlist=x86_64 python python-libs
> python-devel
>
> Download all the packages from the file you copied from the broken system:
> cat /tmp/pypkgs | xargs yumdownloader --releasever=17 --archlist=x86_64
>
> Now copy that directory to the broken system. Make sure the
> /usr/local/ python is out of the way, then reinstall the core
> interpreter packages:
> rpm -Uvh --force python-2.7* python-libs-* python-devel-*
>
> At this point you should be able to invoke 'python' and 'import this'
> successfully.
>
> Now, you can move them out of the way so you don't reinstall them twice:
> mv python-2.7* python-libs-* python-devel-* /tmp
>
> Then reinstall all the remaining packages:
> rpm -Uvh --force *
>
> yum ought to work now!
>
> I'd suggest at this point you fedup to a supported version of Fedora
> (19 or 20), enable RPMFusion [1], then 'yum install freecad' from
> there to avoid any more trouble. ;-)
>
> -T.C.
>
> [1] http://rpmfusion.org/Configuration
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Re: 'module' object has no attribute 'RPMSENSE_GREATER'
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:
> I think I need to start with force reloading of the original Python setup.
>
> Could you please advise on how to do this.
It will be a lot easier if you have another Fedora system or virtual
machine with a working yum. If you don't, you'll have to manually
locate and download all the packages from the rpm query and the core
interpreter packages from http://download.fedoraproject.org/ which
would be time-consuming and painful. With another system with a
working yum, you can let the working yum do all the heavy lifting for
you.
On your broken system, obtain a list of all Python libraries and
packages and save it to a file:
rpm -q --qf='%{name}\n' --whatrequires 'python(abi)' > /tmp/pypkgs
You'll notice that python-rpm is included in that list along with any
other RPMs that install stuff into
/usr/lib{,64}/python2.7/site-packages/. Unfortunately, anything you
installed with 'pip' or 'easy_install' won't be reflected in that, but
I fear those are already lost. You'll have to manually restore them
with pip or easy_install after this is all done, since pip doesn't
seem to log installs anywhere by default AFAICT.
Anyway, now you can copy that file to the box with the working yum.
Then, on that system with the working yum, create a temporary
directory to download all the packages to and cd to it:
mkdir /tmp/pyrpms
cd /tmp/pyrpms
Download the core interpreter packages for F17 x86_64:
yumdownloader --releasever=17 --archlist=x86_64 python python-libs python-devel
Download all the packages from the file you copied from the broken system:
cat /tmp/pypkgs | xargs yumdownloader --releasever=17 --archlist=x86_64
Now copy that directory to the broken system. Make sure the
/usr/local/ python is out of the way, then reinstall the core
interpreter packages:
rpm -Uvh --force python-2.7* python-libs-* python-devel-*
At this point you should be able to invoke 'python' and 'import this'
successfully.
Now, you can move them out of the way so you don't reinstall them twice:
mv python-2.7* python-libs-* python-devel-* /tmp
Then reinstall all the remaining packages:
rpm -Uvh --force *
yum ought to work now!
I'd suggest at this point you fedup to a supported version of Fedora
(19 or 20), enable RPMFusion [1], then 'yum install freecad' from
there to avoid any more trouble. ;-)
-T.C.
[1] http://rpmfusion.org/Configuration
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Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
I know your pain. But a clean Linux install shouldn't take that long. Only an update-install, which is based on what was previously > installed (and has to churn through assessing it and all the updates > that will be needed), should take that long to run. agreed. centos with a default install is very easy to talk someone thru. once installed, remote console can be setup and "good to go" thereafter. Many thanks to all who responded to this dilemma. I really don't want to touch it but it's someone I have known for 30 years, we worked together though remotely, producing a quarterly newsletter for 10 years. Trust me, she is so slow and requires confirmation at each small step, having to explain each step takes time. Fortunately I am adept at ubuntu and Fedora installs so apart from the above it should be painless. My main concern is how to save her emails, photos and poetry to a usb drive. Linux to linux is easy. I'll look at centOS With Grub, I have ubuntu13.04 on first partition and Fedora 19 on the second partition, Ubuntu Grub allows me to select between those as well as another fedora on a separate hard drive so I guess it will find the windows partition. The windows mbr is what has me troubled so a fresh linux install will be the best option. Thanks again Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
On 02/12/2014 10:28 PM, Edward M wrote: On 2/12/2014 2:34 AM, Roger wrote: Dell 1520 laptop which when new, Dell required it have xp installed. As many have said windows xp eol is taking place in two months, and the laptop probably may require more ram to be added so it can be upgraded to either windows 7 or windows 8.1(if compatible). > I think removing xp completely and installing a linux distro is a safer choice it is a good suggestion, but installing linux and keeping xp for games, etc and never putting it back on internet is also a better choice over upgrading. and no, i would not expect an oos advocate suggest installing linux. ;-) Here is a nice read: Microsoft's Tim Rains explaining in his blog the risks of running windows xp with no support. http://blogs.technet.com/b/security/archive/2013/08/15/<> some very strong points are made in blog as to how weak oos really is and will continue to be. but, he talks only about xp software, nothing is mentioned about what would happen if a user only uses 3rd party, such as mozilla, and if user blocks all incoming traffic that is not originated. granted, 'mim' is always a possibility, then again, linux is just about only system that is safe from such, tho not completely. for sure, xp is on its way out, as should have been done long before now. but there are some who may be locked in to it because of 3rd party software -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc.hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fun observation after installing a new UPS
The very old APC 900VA unit I had under my desk died over the weekend. I replaced it with an Cyber Power System, Inc. CP1500, $99 from Amazon with free shipping. Anyhow, the front display shows the power drawn by the stuff plugged into it, currently computer and monitor. Typically, they're drawing about 60-65 watts. Running Yum and updating SELinux policies increased the power draw to 95 watts! The other cool thing is that the UPS is compatible with apcupsd, so events are properly logged. Gnome is happy talking to it, too. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
greetings roger and tim. On 02/12/2014 02:40 PM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 12 February 2014, Roger sent: A friend who is not computer literate at all has a Dell 1520 laptop which when new, Dell required it have xp installed. As has already been said, XP support dies very soon. It's not safe > to use XP on the net after then. It was never particularly safe > when XP was being supported, anyway... basically, i would agree and main variation has to do with what oos has for anti virus/malware and internet security. i get a lot of flack when i talk about symantec/norton, but i have found that norton internet security software can be set up as tight as a linux firewall. *all* oos progs can be blocked from accessing internet, including the notorious 'messenger'. only time to enable anything is when there is a new service pack, forget name of prog, and when it does "it's thing", block it again. most hackers that get into an oos, do so because of the progs that are set to monitor incoming traffic. if _all_ oos progs are blocked, there is relative nothing that can happen, because... norton internet security can also be set up to only respond to traffic that has been originated from oos. so, therefore, i recommend and install symantec/norton. of all the oos systems that i have installed symantec/norton, all are still running and connecting to internet. none have been broken into. along with symantec/norton, i install mozilla firefox and thunderbird. my most recent oos setup with symantec/norton and mozilla, is with an hp that had xp installed. it is running as a dual boot with _centos_ as 'default' and _oos_ as second choice. and, yes, i changed label from 'other' to 'oos'. ;-) <> It's not just XP, itself, that becomes unsupported. It software > that can be run on XP, as *those* other coders abandon the abandoned Windows XP over time. Though it's probably quite likely that some > anti-virus vendors will continue to produce anti-virus software for > an out-of-date XP for some time, long after Microsoft abandons XP. > That's been the trend with even older versions of Windows. Some > do recognise that users are stuck with using old OSs, for whatever > reason (e.g. workplace computers might be un-upgradable). i agree 100% on that from experience with symantec/norton and some w98 boxes. one of which is still running w95 because there is a special program on it that is needed and authors have gone out of business. they still connect to internet, are on a local network that has boxes with w2k and w7 and everything is fine. If they are going to continue using XP, go through all the Windows updates, now, let it update all the bug fixes that can be done, and that'll take care of internet explorer, at the same time. Then stop using internet explorer, except for browsing the Microsoft site. > Use other, safer, browsers for the www. +1. mozilla firefox and thunderbird. But it's not new, now, is it? So the Dell *requirement* of having > XP isn't really so concrete, and that requirement is surely going > to have to change when XP is killed. If they must use Windows, find out the latest version that can be installed on the hardware, > then install it. Though you may have something so old that it can't > support newer releases. about 15 or so years ago, i installed w98b on a laptop that was no longer supported by oem. problem with install of w98 was that w98b did not have drivers for some of the 'custom' hardware. solution was to pull drivers from w98-1 cd and manually install them. worked great. <<>> > If you feel so inclined, and both of your internet is fast enough, > you can take remote control of her PC, and fix it for her yourself, +1 There are tools that give you summaries of the installation, and the "about this computer" option can reveal the service pack installed, > at least. You'd need to try Windows update to see how many other > things its out-of-date with. "about this computer" _should_ show info. if updating is needed, be sure that system has a good internet security program running and is updated. in fact, updating of security program should be done before any attempt to run sp updates. cyoa. But I abandoned helping friends with Windows, long ago. i also, except for those willing to dual boot with linux until they can ween themselves from oos. and then it is with agreement that oos is used for games only and it does not connect to internet. :-) I would like to run her through installing one of the Linux systems >> on the second partition but am worried that on installing it may overwrite the windows MBR making her windows files, folders, etc useless, <<>> such will not happen. that is unless system is already hacked and there is something on it that check new progs and boot sector. <> Yes, it takes over the MBR, but the grub bootloader takes care of booting up Linux or Windows, so that doesn't really matter. this is most true. It might be
Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
On 2/12/2014 2:34 AM, Roger wrote: Dell 1520 laptop which when new, Dell required it have xp installed. As many have said windows xp eol is taking place in two months, and the laptop probably may require more ram to be added so it can be upgraded to either windows 7 or windows 8.1(if compatible). I think removing xp completely and installing a linux distro is a safer choice Here is a nice read: Microsoft's Tim Rains explaining in his blog the risks of running windows xp with no support. http://blogs.technet.com/b/security/archive/2013/08/15/the-risk-of-running-windows-xp-after-support-ends.aspx -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?
On Feb 12, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, murph wrote: > >> Try the poorly-named "testdisk" to see if it can get any of the old >> partition information. I've had good luck with recovering >> accidentally-partitioned disks. > > so here's the current output from that utility after it finished a > lengthy scan of the (corrupted) drive: > > Disk /dev/sdb - 750 GB / 698 GiB - CHS 91201 255 63 > Partition StartEndSize in sectors >> FAT16 >32M 0 32 3312 93 17 196608 [boot] > Linux0 32 33 45105 20 35 724611072 > Linux 12 93 18 216 183 313282944 [rootfs] > * Linux48416 239 16 48612 191 273145728 > P Linux70007 45 55 70008 50 58 16384 > P Linux86771 149 35 86779 190 3 131072 > L Linux Swap 89115 185 31 91201 52 51 33503232 Huh. Is this a recent version of testdisk? Or has it been intentionally switched to CHS mode? I've only ever seen recent versions report in LBA, which is a lot easier to figure out about where the obliteration with dd occurred. > now, the "boot" and "rootfs" entries would correspond to the 2G > bootable SD card image that was written over the beginning of the > disk, and i would *guess* that the sizable "Linux" partition is the > home partition/LV that is the object of recovery, but i have no idea > what to do next or whether "testdisk" has the capability of > recognizing logical volumes. Without having looked at the code, if it doesn't find the PV metadata I don't think it's going to find the VG metadata either. I'm thinking it's finding a backup ext superblock from this: > Linux0 32 33 45105 20 35 724611072 What you'll do is have testdisk copy files out of this, onto separate storage. Some files will probably be hosed, and I can't say whether testdisk will inform you of their viability in advance. > > oh, crap, i hit "Quit" to back out of a menu and this utility just > cleared all those results, so i have to do the scan again. gr … Make sure it's v6.14 before going to the trouble again. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?
On Feb 12, 2014, at 1:08 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > it was 2G that was overwritten, not just 2M. so i'm quite willing to > believe that it's unrecoverable. but that "testdisk" utility claims to > be finding *something*, so i'll just let it finish and post what it > reports. Ok well the PV and VG metadata aren't super important if we're talking about one PV and one VG and conventional (not thinp) LVM. The LV should have linearly allocated logical extents to physical extents to disk sectors. So baring some extra VG metadata copies that could cause PEs to not be contiguous, the file system might be found as if it were on a regular partition and totally intact. What file system? ext4? Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
By chance does she live somewhere with a local linux users group or computer club? Where I live there is a local community center where people can bring their computer once a month and have their problems sorted. Maybe have a hunt around and see if there is something similar? Goodluck, William On 13/02/2014 10:07 AM, "eoconno...@gmail.com" wrote: > YesI'm sorry but the original poster mentioned > UbuntupersonallyI would install Fedorabut I'm just giving > feedback.sorry! > > - Reply message - > From: "Pete Travis" > To: "Community support for Fedora users" > Subject: Installing Linux on a windows hd > Date: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 12:41 pm > > > > On Feb 12, 2014 9:37 AM, "eoconno...@gmail.com" > wrote: > > > > I would just tell her to backup all her data that she wants saved to an > external device.then do a clean install of Ubuntu...and then she can > transfer her data back. ditch WinXP altogether.makes for an easier > time when its time to support it remotely. > > > > > > Hi, do you realize this is a Fedora list? > > > - Reply message - > > From: "Tim" > > To: > > Subject: Installing Linux on a windows hd > > Date: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 9:40 am > > > > > > Allegedly, on or about 12 February 2014, Roger sent: > > > A friend who is not computer literate at all has a Dell 1520 laptop > > > which when new, Dell required it have xp installed. > > > > As has already been said, XP support dies very soon. It's not safe to > > use XP on the net after then. It was never particularly safe when XP > > was being supported, anyway... > > > > Seen it fubared within seconds of going on-line, even saw it pop up a > > warning about being fubarred, but did nothing to prevent it, nor would > > anything succeed in unfubarring it. Needed a reinstall. How I laughed > > when I watched my friend go through that three times in a row, on one > > night. > > > > It's not just XP, itself, that becomes unsupported. It software that > > can be run on XP, as *those* other coders abandon the abandoned Windows > > XP over time. Though it's probably quite likely that some anti-virus > > vendors will continue to produce anti-virus software for an out-of-date > > XP for some time, long after Microsoft abandons XP. That's been the > > trend with even older versions of Windows. Some do recognise that users > > are stuck with using old OSs, for whatever reason (e.g. workplace > > computers might be un-upgradable). > > > > If they are going to continue using XP, go through all the Windows > > updates, now, let it update all the bug fixes that can be done, and > > that'll take care of internet explorer, at the same time. Then stop > > using internet explorer, except for browsing the Microsoft site. Use > > other, safer, browsers for the www. > > > > But it's not new, now, is it? So the Dell *requirement* of having XP > > isn't really so concrete, and that requirement is surely going to have > > to change when XP is killed. If they must use Windows, find out the > > latest version that can be installed on the hardware, then install it. > > Though you may have something so old that it can't support newer > > releases. > > > > > I do not know if her xp is sp1, 2 or 3 and have no way of finding out > > > as all contact is by phone, she doesn't have a clue about finding > > > out, me neither, and she lives some 120 km away. > > > > If you feel so inclined, and both of your internet is fast enough, you > > can take remote control of her PC, and fix it for her yourself, rather > > than play the telephone support game. Alternatively, have the thing > > posted to you, sort it out, then send it back. > > > > There are tools that give you summaries of the installation, and the > > "about this computer" option can reveal the service pack installed, at > > least. You'd need to try Windows update to see how many other things > > its out-of-date with. > > > > But I abandoned helping friends with Windows, long ago. I tell them > > that I don't use it anymore, I'm not up to date with its foibles, and > > it'll take me much longer to sort it out than taking it to a computer > > shop. It's saved me no end of grief. > > > > > I would like to run her through installing one of the Linux systems on > > > the second partition but am worried that on installing it may > > > overwrite the windows MBR making her windows files, folders, etc > > > useless, particularly Thunderbird and Firefox. She would not be able > > > to reinstall windows without me spending a day on the phone. I no > > > longer have the stamina for epic phone calls. > > > > I know that feeling. I had one friend who would have something go wrong > > with his computer, then get stupidly drunk before phoning me for help. > > It was hard enough, normally, but that made it extremely painful. > > > > The last few times that I've installed Linux (including recent/current > > Fedora) on a machine with Windows already on it, it has sorted itself
Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
YesI'm sorry but the original poster mentioned UbuntupersonallyI would install Fedorabut I'm just giving feedback.sorry! - Reply message - From: "Pete Travis" To: "Community support for Fedora users" Subject: Installing Linux on a windows hd Date: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 12:41 pm On Feb 12, 2014 9:37 AM, "eoconno...@gmail.com" wrote: > > I would just tell her to backup all her data that she wants saved to an > external device.then do a clean install of Ubuntu...and then she can > transfer her data back. ditch WinXP altogether.makes for an easier > time when its time to support it remotely. > > Hi, do you realize this is a Fedora list? > - Reply message - > From: "Tim" > To: > Subject: Installing Linux on a windows hd > Date: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 9:40 am > > > Allegedly, on or about 12 February 2014, Roger sent: > > A friend who is not computer literate at all has a Dell 1520 laptop > > which when new, Dell required it have xp installed. > > As has already been said, XP support dies very soon. It's not safe to > use XP on the net after then. It was never particularly safe when XP > was being supported, anyway... > > Seen it fubared within seconds of going on-line, even saw it pop up a > warning about being fubarred, but did nothing to prevent it, nor would > anything succeed in unfubarring it. Needed a reinstall. How I laughed > when I watched my friend go through that three times in a row, on one > night. > > It's not just XP, itself, that becomes unsupported. It software that > can be run on XP, as *those* other coders abandon the abandoned Windows > XP over time. Though it's probably quite likely that some anti-virus > vendors will continue to produce anti-virus software for an out-of-date > XP for some time, long after Microsoft abandons XP. That's been the > trend with even older versions of Windows. Some do recognise that users > are stuck with using old OSs, for whatever reason (e.g. workplace > computers might be un-upgradable). > > If they are going to continue using XP, go through all the Windows > updates, now, let it update all the bug fixes that can be done, and > that'll take care of internet explorer, at the same time. Then stop > using internet explorer, except for browsing the Microsoft site. Use > other, safer, browsers for the www. > > But it's not new, now, is it? So the Dell *requirement* of having XP > isn't really so concrete, and that requirement is surely going to have > to change when XP is killed. If they must use Windows, find out the > latest version that can be installed on the hardware, then install it. > Though you may have something so old that it can't support newer > releases. > > > I do not know if her xp is sp1, 2 or 3 and have no way of finding out > > as all contact is by phone, she doesn't have a clue about finding > > out, me neither, and she lives some 120 km away. > > If you feel so inclined, and both of your internet is fast enough, you > can take remote control of her PC, and fix it for her yourself, rather > than play the telephone support game. Alternatively, have the thing > posted to you, sort it out, then send it back. > > There are tools that give you summaries of the installation, and the > "about this computer" option can reveal the service pack installed, at > least. You'd need to try Windows update to see how many other things > its out-of-date with. > > But I abandoned helping friends with Windows, long ago. I tell them > that I don't use it anymore, I'm not up to date with its foibles, and > it'll take me much longer to sort it out than taking it to a computer > shop. It's saved me no end of grief. > > > I would like to run her through installing one of the Linux systems on > > the second partition but am worried that on installing it may > > overwrite the windows MBR making her windows files, folders, etc > > useless, particularly Thunderbird and Firefox. She would not be able > > to reinstall windows without me spending a day on the phone. I no > > longer have the stamina for epic phone calls. > > I know that feeling. I had one friend who would have something go wrong > with his computer, then get stupidly drunk before phoning me for help. > It was hard enough, normally, but that made it extremely painful. > > The last few times that I've installed Linux (including recent/current > Fedora) on a machine with Windows already on it, it has sorted itself > out, and the boot menu lets you pick whether to boot Linux or Windows. > Depending on which distro was installed, Windows may actually appear as > Windows in the menu, or simply be referred to as "Other." And Linux is > usually the default boot option. > > Yes, it takes over the MBR, but the grub bootloader takes care of > booting up Linux or Windows, so that doesn't really matter. > > It might be worth you trying out doing a multi-boot ins
Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, murph wrote: > Try the poorly-named "testdisk" to see if it can get any of the old > partition information. I've had good luck with recovering > accidentally-partitioned disks. so here's the current output from that utility after it finished a lengthy scan of the (corrupted) drive: Disk /dev/sdb - 750 GB / 698 GiB - CHS 91201 255 63 Partition StartEndSize in sectors > FAT16 >32M 0 32 3312 93 17 196608 [boot] Linux0 32 33 45105 20 35 724611072 Linux 12 93 18 216 183 313282944 [rootfs] * Linux48416 239 16 48612 191 273145728 P Linux70007 45 55 70008 50 58 16384 P Linux86771 149 35 86779 190 3 131072 L Linux Swap 89115 185 31 91201 52 51 33503232 Structure: Ok. Use Up/Down Arrow keys to select partition. Use Left/Right Arrow keys to CHANGE partition characteristics: *=Primary bootable P=Primary L=Logical E=Extended D=Deleted Keys A: add partition, L: load backup, T: change type, P: list files, Enter: to continue FAT16, blocksize=2048, 100 MB / 96 MiB now, the "boot" and "rootfs" entries would correspond to the 2G bootable SD card image that was written over the beginning of the disk, and i would *guess* that the sizable "Linux" partition is the home partition/LV that is the object of recovery, but i have no idea what to do next or whether "testdisk" has the capability of recognizing logical volumes. oh, crap, i hit "Quit" to back out of a menu and this utility just cleared all those results, so i have to do the scan again. gr ... rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F20 gnome inactivity causes mouse/kbd unresponsiveness, must restart gnome-shell
Hello, Thanks for ideas; I'll need to check at least reverting to updates and checking the input source and report back tomorrow. Combining replies: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, g wrote: After inactivity timeout, you need to swipe the screen or use keyboard to reactivate it (I've disabled screen locking). The problem that often occurs is that mouse movement works, but clicking doesn't do anything. Similarly keyboard is unresponsibe. The clock has been frozen to the inactivity time. "problem that often occurs" It depends. On my desktop, I get it 1-2 times a week, so relatively rarely. On my laptop, I get it every day. After rebooting (or logging in, I don't remember which), for a few hours (5-10 inactivity switches) it works OK every time. After that point, every inactivity seems to trigger the problem. are there other problems? Not ones I think are related. On laptop, the screen gets garbled sometimes e.g. when restarting gnome-shell and switching between terminals. The same restart or suspend/resume often fixes it. On desktop, firefox consumes 99% of CPU if I have facebook maximized (this has occurred for at least a month now) and some other times it runs havoc in any case. does this problem not always happen? See above. On laptop after a while, it appears to always happen after it has been triggered the first time. Because it's more easily reproducible there, I've focused on that (it isn't with me at the moment). is there anything special that you have on both systems that relates to keyboard and/or mouse? Not really. Internal devices on laptop, USB on desktop. ie, being that i see you are from "fi" land, i wonder if by chance you are using 'multi language' on your systems. if so, can/have you create another user as "en" only to see if problem occurs? I suppose you mean multiple Input Sources in Settings - Region/Language. On desktop, just one. On laptop, I might have had two (at least initially after install I did). I think I removed it. I'll need to check tomorrow. have you tired/considered setting up one of the systems without using "updates-testing"? It has been a habit to use updates-testing (I'm a RHL user for 15 years now, so I've usually lived a bit on the edge). I could use just updates. I thought "downgrading" would be impossible, but after googling, it seems distro-sync back should do it. I'll try that. On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Tom Horsley wrote: Are the periods of inactivity long enough for cron to have run while inactive? I'm so leery of this bug now, that I think almost anything strange could be another symptom: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043212 (The title of that bug is kind of misleading, it refers to one of about a zillion symptoms of the same problem). Thanks. I don't see any nologin issues at least, though sometimes I've seen notifications of failed logins which I have found suspect but haven't investigated. The inactivity times (esp. with laptop, this is where I've mostly seen this) have typically been quite short. I think even less than a minute. So I suppose it's something else. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oykingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > > > /dev/vg1/home /opt/home ext4defaults1 2 > > > > so that (obviously) what used to be the "home" logical volume in the > > old "vg1" volume group appeared under /opt/home, and was available for > > the occasional restoration of old content. > > > > problem: person was trying to write a 2G bootable (embedded Linux) > > image to an inserted USB drive and, rather than writing to /dev/sdc > > (the USB drive), "dd"ed to /dev/sdb instead, overwriting the first 2G > > of the secondary hard drive and, with it, whatever LSM content resided > > in that first 2G. > > What was the approximate partition scheme of the disk before it was > overwritten with dd? Typical would be a boot partition first, > causing the LVM partition to be offset well back from 2MB from the > start of the disk, in which case pvck can be used to find it. > > man pvck it was 2G that was overwritten, not just 2M. so i'm quite willing to believe that it's unrecoverable. but that "testdisk" utility claims to be finding *something*, so i'll just let it finish and post what it reports. as for disk partitioning, i was told that half the drive was allocated to a "home" LV, but i have no idea where that would have started or how badly it would have been corrupted. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?
On Feb 12, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > /dev/vg1/home /opt/home ext4defaults1 2 > > so that (obviously) what used to be the "home" logical volume in the > old "vg1" volume group appeared under /opt/home, and was available for > the occasional restoration of old content. > > problem: person was trying to write a 2G bootable (embedded Linux) > image to an inserted USB drive and, rather than writing to /dev/sdc > (the USB drive), "dd"ed to /dev/sdb instead, overwriting the first 2G > of the secondary hard drive and, with it, whatever LSM content resided > in that first 2G. What was the approximate partition scheme of the disk before it was overwritten with dd? Typical would be a boot partition first, causing the LVM partition to be offset well back from 2MB from the start of the disk, in which case pvck can be used to find it. man pvck Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F20 gnome inactivity causes mouse/kbd unresponsiveness, must restart gnome-shell
> After inactivity timeout, you need to swipe the screen or use keyboard > to reactivate it (I've disabled screen locking). The problem that > often occurs is that mouse movement works, but clicking doesn't do > anything. Similarly keyboard is unresponsibe. The clock has been > frozen to the inactivity time. Are the periods of inactivity long enough for cron to have run while inactive? I'm so leery of this bug now, that I think almost anything strange could be another symptom: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043212 (The title of that bug is kind of misleading, it refers to one of about a zillion symptoms of the same problem). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, murph wrote: > Try the poorly-named "testdisk" to see if it can get any of the old > partition information. I've had good luck with recovering > accidentally-partitioned disks. while the documentation suggests this utility can handle LVM, i finished a scan earlier and, based on a guess as to what represented the "home" logical volume, tried to select it but was told it was corrupted. and the documentation here: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Menu_Analyse doesn't say anything about LVM. so i'm letting the analyze step run one more time, and i'll report what it summarizes at the end, if you want to make further suggestions. is there any LVM-related utility that might scan a disk looking for what appear to be logical volumes? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F20 gnome inactivity causes mouse/kbd unresponsiveness, must restart gnome-shell
hello pekka, On 02/12/2014 08:59 AM, Pekka Savola wrote: Hello, I've two systems running F20 + updates-testing, a T400 laptop and a desktop PC. PC was upgraded with yum from F18, laptop was a fresh install. Both experience the same problems, at least for roughly two weeks now, maybe longer (not sure when this started, maybe even from the install in Dec/Jan). The problems are much more severe on the laptop, though (laptop is on docking station and on power all the time). 2 physically different computers showing same problem. using "updates-testing". After inactivity timeout, you need to swipe the screen or use keyboard to reactivate it (I've disabled screen locking). The problem that often occurs is that mouse movement works, but clicking doesn't do anything. Similarly keyboard is unresponsibe. The clock has been frozen to the inactivity time. "problem that often occurs" are there other problems? does this problem not always happen? clock freezing means that a routine has locked up or is possibly holding off screen refresh. The workaround is to use CTRL-ALT-F2, log on there and do 'killall -HUP gnome-shell'. Then you can resume the session (after entering the password etc.). Sometimes restarting doesn't work. "use CTRL-ALT-F2", then keyboard is not _completely_ unresponsive. I've been unable to find similar reports on F20 but maybe I don't know what to look for. On F18 I found something remotely familiar (but this occurs pre-locking and there are no errors): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872118 I see no strange messages in messages, Xorg.0.log or gdm logs. Any ideas? Where to start digging? "swag" time. is there anything special that you have on both systems that relates to keyboard and/or mouse? ie, being that i see you are from "fi" land, i wonder if by chance you are using 'multi language' on your systems. if so, can/have you create another user as "en" only to see if problem occurs? have you tired/considered setting up one of the systems without using "updates-testing"? i would suggest that if you are wanting to use "updates-testing", at least have a partition with non testing, and if you have room, do such on t400. or just not run "testing" on t400. -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc.hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Service multiplex
Ok guys I see, point taken. :) and you are absolutely right! I was blinded by my enthusiasm, I didn't count with the non-technical part at all. On 12/02/2014, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/12/2014 09:09 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:10:19 +0100, >>Robert Dady wrote: >>> The thing is that circumvention is also possible by disabling direct >>> proxy >>> script download and set direct internet access, in that case there is no >>> need set up service-subdomain multiplexing. >> >> Doing this might get you fired. is it really worth the risk? > > Which is exactly what I was trying to tell him. Maybe now that two of > us have told him this he'll believe it. > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen/ Best Regards/ Üdvözlettel, Dipl.-Ing. Robert Dady -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: FC20 and (":No such file or directory)
On 10 Feb 2014 03:20, "Gregory P. Ennis" wrote:
> Some of the perl scripts worked fine, but one script would not activate
> and resulted in a command line error message of :
>
> (": No such file or directory)
>
> I added the parenthesis, but the initial single quote is part of the
> message. I have evaluated the perl script and have run it on other
> machines without difficulty.
>
> I finally got the script to work by adding a -w switch to the first line
> in the form of :
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
I suspect that there are probably some unprintable characters in the
file. Try viewing it with, e.g., "od -c".
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Re: Service multiplex
On 02/12/2014 09:09 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:10:19 +0100, Robert Dady wrote: The thing is that circumvention is also possible by disabling direct proxy script download and set direct internet access, in that case there is no need set up service-subdomain multiplexing. Doing this might get you fired. is it really worth the risk? Which is exactly what I was trying to tell him. Maybe now that two of us have told him this he'll believe it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
On Feb 12, 2014, at 11:14 AM, "Powell, Michael" wrote: > Why did you insist that a computer illiterate person dual boot? One OS is > enough to deal with, why would you trouble her with two? I agree. > Continue updating Windows XP via Windows Update until everything has been > installed, and once done, try updating McAfee again. I also agree that the first, and least path of resistance, is to get XP safer by ensuring it's updated. And this buys some time for actual budgeting and migration planning, until April anyway. No plan should include XP after even Microsoft has washed their hands of it. The dual boot plan is risky. But I might be convinced it's workable if the existing XP setup is properly backed up, then fully updated; and the Linux install is to test the waters, familiarization and training. If it's the right direction, by April the plan needs to be the obliteration of XP. And that means obliterating and reinstalling whatever Linux is present and restoring user data. So… that's a lot to chew off. She's almost certainly better off with a Windows 7 upgrade and leaving well enough alone unless she initiates a preference to move away from that experience. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
On Feb 12, 2014, at 3:34 AM, Roger wrote: > I understand how to get linux to clean install on the second partition and I > think I remember about how to use it's own boot record not the MBR but have > no idea how she would access linux with windows on the first partition. If she installs Fedora, and likely also Ubuntu, at boot time there's a grub menu presented and it will have one or more Linux options and one Windows option. > I would prefer to make Linux the default boot option without overwriting her > MBR. Not possible. > I think this can be done as a bios option as I do on my desktop pc. Your BIOS lets you choose partitions to boot from? That's not a given. Most BIOS don't recognize partitions, they only let you choose between drives. > I think the best linux option would be ubuntu 12.04LTS so she doesn't have to > update the OS. Well I'd refuse that premise from the outset. For one, we don't know her workflow or budget or her interest in becoming significantly more computer literate than she is now. I'd say complete migration away from Windows XP is mandatory. Migrating to Windows 7 alone is a superior option to dual booting Linux and XP. Enabling her to keep XP is simply bad advice so don't do that. The only way it's going to be semi-safe to use XP in several months is when disconnected from the internet. Other options include migrating to a tablet if her needs are fairly sparse and infrequent, to maybe a Chromebook if there a bit more sophisticated like needing to write basic documents or is a moderate to prolific emailer. If the workflow requires more capable applications then I'd say she needs a user group or someone to be her IT staff - that comes first, and whoever does that determines what the OS is not the other way around. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
RE: Installing Linux on a windows hd
> A friend who is not computer literate at all has a Dell 1520 laptop which when > new, Dell required it have xp installed. I insisted at the time that the hd > have > 2 partitions as I intended to install either Fedora or Ubuntu but that was > years ago and I had forgotten all about it till today. Why did you insist that a computer illiterate person dual boot? One OS is enough to deal with, why would you trouble her with two? > Macafee insists on updating but will not do so until she updates explorer > which she never uses and knows nothing about. I have no idea about > updating explorer either, never used it. I've googled but my google produces > different results to her google search so I can't tell her to click on this > or that > option. > > I do not know if her xp is sp1, 2 or 3 and have no way of finding out as all > contact is by phone, she doesn't have a clue about finding out, me neither, > and she lives some 120 km away. McAfee likely needs a certain service pack or system update to continue. I would recommend that you instruct her to press the following keyboard shortcut at the Windows desktop: windows + Pause. If she has trouble finding the windows key / pause key, ask her to right-click 'My Computer' and select 'Properties'. This will open the System Properties dialog and it should say what version of Windows XP she has along with any service packs. Windows XP SP3 (large download): http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=24 Once Service Pack 3 has been verified or has been installed, instruct her to further update Windows XP to the latest via Windows Update (Start menu->Windows update). If Windows Update has trouble starting, it may indicate that Internet Explorer needs to be updated first. Internet Explorer 8 (large download): http://www.microsoft.com/en-in/download/internet-explorer-8-details.aspx Continue updating Windows XP via Windows Update until everything has been installed, and once done, try updating McAfee again. > I would like to run her through installing one of the Linux systems on the > second partition but am worried that on installing it may overwrite the > windows MBR making her windows files, folders, etc useless, particularly > Thunderbird and Firefox. She would not be able to reinstall windows without > me spending a day on the phone. I no longer have the stamina for epic > phone calls. To dual boot Windows and Linux, the recommended method is to always install Windows then Linux. The good news is that Windows XP is already installed. The bad news is that Windows XP is likely using the entire partition, and you'll have to step her through reducing the primary partition in order to create a secondary partition before installing Linux. Are you sure this is what's best for her? > This person has no confidence with computers. Over the years I have talked > her through windows problems but now I am lost as to how to tackle this > one. > > I understand how to get linux to clean install on the second partition and I > think I remember about how to use it's own boot record not the MBR but > have no idea how she would access linux with windows on the first partition. > I would prefer to make Linux the default boot option without overwriting her > MBR. I think this can be done as a bios option as I do on my desktop pc. > I think the best linux option would be ubuntu 12.04LTS so she doesn't have to > update the OS. > Can someone direct me on the best approach for this as I would have to set > aside 3-4 hours on the phone to walk her through a basic install before the > file system updates, which can also take hours. > > Help is most gratefully appreciated. > Thanks in advance > Roger Whether provoked or not, the computer literate tend to push their methods onto the computer illiterate. The issue with doing so is that the computer illiterate are then forced into dependency. There's potentially nothing wrong with this if there's a business involved, but for the occasional friendly PC repair over the phone, it's best to do what is right for the computer illiterate. For that reason alone, I recommend that you stop pushing Linux and do either of the following: 1. Spend some time investigating PC repair places in her area over the phone. Try to develop a rapport with a computer technician that you can then direct your friend to so that she will receive friendly, in-person, service instead of just being another customer. You can pay her bill or even tip the computer technician so that he goes above and beyond. 2. Buy her Windows 7 and spend your time helping to back-up her data and installing (format) Windows 7. 3. Buy her a new machine with a newer version of Windows and help transfer her data. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: h
Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
On Feb 12, 2014 9:37 AM, "eoconno...@gmail.com" wrote: > > I would just tell her to backup all her data that she wants saved to an external device.then do a clean install of Ubuntu...and then she can transfer her data back. ditch WinXP altogether.makes for an easier time when its time to support it remotely. > > Hi, do you realize this is a Fedora list? > - Reply message - > From: "Tim" > To: > Subject: Installing Linux on a windows hd > Date: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 9:40 am > > > Allegedly, on or about 12 February 2014, Roger sent: > > A friend who is not computer literate at all has a Dell 1520 laptop > > which when new, Dell required it have xp installed. > > As has already been said, XP support dies very soon. It's not safe to > use XP on the net after then. It was never particularly safe when XP > was being supported, anyway... > > Seen it fubared within seconds of going on-line, even saw it pop up a > warning about being fubarred, but did nothing to prevent it, nor would > anything succeed in unfubarring it. Needed a reinstall. How I laughed > when I watched my friend go through that three times in a row, on one > night. > > It's not just XP, itself, that becomes unsupported. It software that > can be run on XP, as *those* other coders abandon the abandoned Windows > XP over time. Though it's probably quite likely that some anti-virus > vendors will continue to produce anti-virus software for an out-of-date > XP for some time, long after Microsoft abandons XP. That's been the > trend with even older versions of Windows. Some do recognise that users > are stuck with using old OSs, for whatever reason (e.g. workplace > computers might be un-upgradable). > > If they are going to continue using XP, go through all the Windows > updates, now, let it update all the bug fixes that can be done, and > that'll take care of internet explorer, at the same time. Then stop > using internet explorer, except for browsing the Microsoft site. Use > other, safer, browsers for the www. > > But it's not new, now, is it? So the Dell *requirement* of having XP > isn't really so concrete, and that requirement is surely going to have > to change when XP is killed. If they must use Windows, find out the > latest version that can be installed on the hardware, then install it. > Though you may have something so old that it can't support newer > releases. > > > I do not know if her xp is sp1, 2 or 3 and have no way of finding out > > as all contact is by phone, she doesn't have a clue about finding > > out, me neither, and she lives some 120 km away. > > If you feel so inclined, and both of your internet is fast enough, you > can take remote control of her PC, and fix it for her yourself, rather > than play the telephone support game. Alternatively, have the thing > posted to you, sort it out, then send it back. > > There are tools that give you summaries of the installation, and the > "about this computer" option can reveal the service pack installed, at > least. You'd need to try Windows update to see how many other things > its out-of-date with. > > But I abandoned helping friends with Windows, long ago. I tell them > that I don't use it anymore, I'm not up to date with its foibles, and > it'll take me much longer to sort it out than taking it to a computer > shop. It's saved me no end of grief. > > > I would like to run her through installing one of the Linux systems on > > the second partition but am worried that on installing it may > > overwrite the windows MBR making her windows files, folders, etc > > useless, particularly Thunderbird and Firefox. She would not be able > > to reinstall windows without me spending a day on the phone. I no > > longer have the stamina for epic phone calls. > > I know that feeling. I had one friend who would have something go wrong > with his computer, then get stupidly drunk before phoning me for help. > It was hard enough, normally, but that made it extremely painful. > > The last few times that I've installed Linux (including recent/current > Fedora) on a machine with Windows already on it, it has sorted itself > out, and the boot menu lets you pick whether to boot Linux or Windows. > Depending on which distro was installed, Windows may actually appear as > Windows in the menu, or simply be referred to as "Other." And Linux is > usually the default boot option. > > Yes, it takes over the MBR, but the grub bootloader takes care of > booting up Linux or Windows, so that doesn't really matter. > > It might be worth you trying out doing a multi-boot install at your own > end, to familiarise yourself with it. It doesn't have to be a > Linux/Windows dual-boot, if you don't have a Windows install to play > with. Make it two different Linux installations. > > > This person has no confidence with computers. Over the years I have > > talked her through windows problems but now I am lost as to how to > > tackle this one. > > Explain carefully and strongly
Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?
One option to consider would be the tools from runtime.org. They have been working on Linux oriented tools, though I've purchased and extensively used the window-related tools with stellar success. > > From: Robert P. J. Day >To: Fedora Users List >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:39 AM >Subject: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive? > > > > a friend asks me if there's a way to solve the following, not out of >any sense of urgency (since there are backups) but more out of a sense >of curiosity as to whether it can even be done. > > long story short, a 750G drive which *used* to be the primary drive >in a laptop was replaced with a newer drive, and the older drive was >reassigned to be the secondary drive, /dev/sdb. in order to >occasionally copy stuff from the old home directory, this entry was >added to /etc/fstab on the new system: > > /dev/vg1/home /opt/home ext4 defaults 1 2 > >so that (obviously) what used to be the "home" logical volume in the >old "vg1" volume group appeared under /opt/home, and was available for >the occasional restoration of old content. > > problem: person was trying to write a 2G bootable (embedded Linux) >image to an inserted USB drive and, rather than writing to /dev/sdc >(the USB drive), "dd"ed to /dev/sdb instead, overwriting the first 2G >of the secondary hard drive and, with it, whatever LSM content resided >in that first 2G. > > i have the drive connected to my fedora 20 laptop as /dev/sdb and, >sure enough: > >$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb > >Disk /dev/sdb: 698.7 GiB, 750156374016 bytes, 1465149168 sectors >Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes >Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes >I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes >Disklabel type: dos >Disk identifier: 0x > >Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >/dev/sdb1 * 2048 198655 98304 e W95 FAT16 (LBA) >/dev/sdb2 198656 3481599 1641472 83 Linux >$ > > so while the physical disk correctly shows up as almost 700G, the >partition table has been replaced by the one from the embedded image, >rendering the rest of the hard drive inaccessible. > > is there any utility that will scan the drive beyond what is >referenced by the partition table and try to identify valid logical >volumes? i don't know anything offhand, so i'm open to suggestions. >thanks. > >rday > >-- > > >Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA > http://crashcourse.ca > >Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday >LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday > >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > > >-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, murph wrote: > Try the poorly-named "testdisk" to see if it can get any of the old > partition information. I've had good luck with recovering > accidentally-partitioned disks. so far, basic usage of "testdisk" is showing me just the two small partitions at the front of the disk, but now i'm in some sort of scan mode, "Analyse cylinder", so i'm just letting it run ... oh ... suddenly sees a new Linux partition, and still scanning, up to 61% so i'm feeling optimistic ... ooh, and another alleged linux partition ... this will clearly take a while so i think i'll go for lunch and check back later. thanks. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Service multiplex
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:09:13 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:10:19 +0100, Robert Dady wrote: The thing is that circumvention is also possible by disabling direct proxy script download and set direct internet access, in that case there is no need set up service-subdomain multiplexing. Doing this might get you fired. is it really worth the risk? Also there could be lawsuits involved. You might be asked (effectively forced unless you want to pay a lot of legal fees) to provide copies of stuff on your personal computers to your employer. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Service multiplex
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:10:19 +0100, Robert Dady wrote: The thing is that circumvention is also possible by disabling direct proxy script download and set direct internet access, in that case there is no need set up service-subdomain multiplexing. Doing this might get you fired. is it really worth the risk? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [389-users] replication stopped after server restart - problem to reenable
On 02/12/2014 06:29 AM, Jan Kowalsky wrote: Hi all, this is my first post on the list. I'm using 389ds inside a kolab environment. We are going to migrate to the new kolab version which runs now 389ds. At the moment we are testing different scenarios for replication. I don't have much experience with ldap and particular with 389ds. Version and platform please - rpm -q 389-ds-base I've got a single-master replication with one supplier (ldapmaster1) and one consumer (ldapmaster2) After server restart replication isn't working anymore. The error-log: [12/Feb/2014:12:04:51 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - Found replication agreement named "cn=test replica,cn=replica,cn=dc\3Ddatenkollektiv\2Cdc\3Dnet,cn=mapping tree,cn=config". [12/Feb/2014:12:04:51 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - The replication agreement named "cn=test replica,cn=replica,cn=dc\3Ddatenkollektiv\2Cdc\3Dnet,cn=mapping tree,cn=config" could not be correctly parsed. No replication will occur with this replica. Looks like there is a problem with your replication agreement. [12/Feb/2014:12:04:51 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - agmtlist_config_init: found 0 replication agreements in DIT [12/Feb/2014:12:04:51 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - changelog program - _cl5GetDBFile: found DB object 1d9bbf0 for database /var/lib/dirsrv/slapd-ldapmaster 1/changelogdb/bbd31b03-93cd11e3-8fe4ea88-51d1475b_52fb486f0007.db4 [12/Feb/2014:12:04:51 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen state before 52fb486f0001:1392199791:0:0 [12/Feb/2014:12:04:51 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen state after 52fb5553:1392203091:0:0 [12/Feb/2014:12:04:51 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - ruv_add_csn_inprogress: successfully inserted csn 52fb55530007 into pending list [12/Feb/2014:12:04:52 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - Purged state information from entry dc=datenkollektiv,dc=net up to CSN 52f2180c0007 [12/Feb/2014:12:04:52 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - csn=52fb55530007 process postop: canceling operation csn [12/Feb/2014:12:04:52 +0100] - slapd started. Listening on All Interfaces port 389 for LDAP requests [12/Feb/2014:12:04:53 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - _replica_update_state: failed to update state of csn generator for replica dc=example,dc=org: LDAP error - 32 [12/Feb/2014:12:05:36 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen state before 52fb55530001:1392203091:0:0 [12/Feb/2014:12:05:36 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen state after 52fb5580:1392203136:0:0 [12/Feb/2014:12:05:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - ruv_add_csn_inprogress: successfully inserted csn 52fb5587 into pending list [12/Feb/2014:12:05:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - Purged state information from entry uid=kolab-service,ou=Special Users,dc=datenkollektiv,dc=net up to CSN 52f2180c0007 [12/Feb/2014:12:05:37 +0100] - Error: ldbm_txn_ruv_modify_context failed to retrieve and lock RUV entry [12/Feb/2014:12:05:37 +0100] - ldbm_back_modify: ldbm_txn_ruv_modify_context failed to construct RUV modify context [12/Feb/2014:12:05:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - csn=52fb5587 process postop: canceling operation csn [12/Feb/2014:12:05:37 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen state before 52fb5581:1392203136:0:0 [12/Feb/2014:12:05:37 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen state after 52fb5581:1392203137:0:0 [12/Feb/2014:12:05:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - ruv_add_csn_inprogress: successfully inserted csn 52fb55810007 into pending list [12/Feb/2014:12:05:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - Purged state information from entry uid=kolab-service,ou=Special Users,dc=datenkollektiv,dc=net up to CSN 52f2180c0007 Also disable and reenable replication doesn't help. dn: cn=test replica,cn=replica,cn=dc\=datenkollektiv\,dc\=net,cn=mapping tree,cn=config changetype: modify add: nsds5ReplicaEnabled nsds5ReplicaEnabled: on dn: cn=test replica,cn=replica,cn=dc\=datenkollektiv\,dc\=net,cn=mapping tree,cn=config changetype: modify replace:nsds5ReplicaUpdateSchedule nsds5ReplicaUpdateSchedule: -2359 0123456 dn: cn=test replica,cn=replica,cn=dc\=datenkollektiv\,dc\=net,cn=mapping tree,cn=config changetype: modify replace: nsds5BeginReplicaRefresh nsds5BeginReplicaRefresh: start then I get the errors: [12/Feb/2014:12:06:02 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - Total update aborted: Replication agreement for "agmt="cn=test replica" (ldapmaster2:389)" can not be updated while the replica is disabled [12/Feb/2014:12:06:02 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - (If the suffix is disabled you must enable it then restart the server for replication to take place). Is that the right procedure at all? Any idea? Thanks and best regards Jan -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?
Try the poorly-named "testdisk" to see if it can get any of the old partition information. I've had good luck with recovering accidentally-partitioned disks. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > a friend asks me if there's a way to solve the following, not out of > any sense of urgency (since there are backups) but more out of a sense > of curiosity as to whether it can even be done. > > long story short, a 750G drive which *used* to be the primary drive > in a laptop was replaced with a newer drive, and the older drive was > reassigned to be the secondary drive, /dev/sdb. in order to > occasionally copy stuff from the old home directory, this entry was > added to /etc/fstab on the new system: > > /dev/vg1/home /opt/home ext4defaults1 2 > > so that (obviously) what used to be the "home" logical volume in the > old "vg1" volume group appeared under /opt/home, and was available for > the occasional restoration of old content. > > problem: person was trying to write a 2G bootable (embedded Linux) > image to an inserted USB drive and, rather than writing to /dev/sdc > (the USB drive), "dd"ed to /dev/sdb instead, overwriting the first 2G > of the secondary hard drive and, with it, whatever LSM content resided > in that first 2G. > > i have the drive connected to my fedora 20 laptop as /dev/sdb and, > sure enough: > > $ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb > > Disk /dev/sdb: 698.7 GiB, 750156374016 bytes, 1465149168 sectors > Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes > Disklabel type: dos > Disk identifier: 0x > > DeviceBoot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdb1 * 2048198655 98304 e W95 FAT16 (LBA) > /dev/sdb2 198656 3481599 1641472 83 Linux > $ > > so while the physical disk correctly shows up as almost 700G, the > partition table has been replaced by the one from the embedded image, > rendering the rest of the hard drive inaccessible. > > is there any utility that will scan the drive beyond what is > referenced by the partition table and try to identify valid logical > volumes? i don't know anything offhand, so i'm open to suggestions. > thanks. > > rday > > -- > > > Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA > http://crashcourse.ca > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday > LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Team Amiga New Jersey - The less that I speak, the smarter I sound. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: New Install
Maybe try downloading the F20 installer again?...did you use Unetbootin to get the files on the USB? - Reply message - From: "Leo Simmonds" To: "users@lists.fedoraproject.org" Subject: New Install Date: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 11:10 am Hi, I have v20 on a USB drive and want to install on a new machine with no OS currently in place. When I boot, the Fedora install page comes up but then goes into "Starting Dracut Emergency Shell" after the "Warning: Can't mount root filesystem" What now?-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?
a friend asks me if there's a way to solve the following, not out of any sense of urgency (since there are backups) but more out of a sense of curiosity as to whether it can even be done. long story short, a 750G drive which *used* to be the primary drive in a laptop was replaced with a newer drive, and the older drive was reassigned to be the secondary drive, /dev/sdb. in order to occasionally copy stuff from the old home directory, this entry was added to /etc/fstab on the new system: /dev/vg1/home /opt/home ext4defaults1 2 so that (obviously) what used to be the "home" logical volume in the old "vg1" volume group appeared under /opt/home, and was available for the occasional restoration of old content. problem: person was trying to write a 2G bootable (embedded Linux) image to an inserted USB drive and, rather than writing to /dev/sdc (the USB drive), "dd"ed to /dev/sdb instead, overwriting the first 2G of the secondary hard drive and, with it, whatever LSM content resided in that first 2G. i have the drive connected to my fedora 20 laptop as /dev/sdb and, sure enough: $ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb Disk /dev/sdb: 698.7 GiB, 750156374016 bytes, 1465149168 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x DeviceBoot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 2048198655 98304 e W95 FAT16 (LBA) /dev/sdb2 198656 3481599 1641472 83 Linux $ so while the physical disk correctly shows up as almost 700G, the partition table has been replaced by the one from the embedded image, rendering the rest of the hard drive inaccessible. is there any utility that will scan the drive beyond what is referenced by the partition table and try to identify valid logical volumes? i don't know anything offhand, so i'm open to suggestions. thanks. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
I would just tell her to backup all her data that she wants saved to an external device.then do a clean install of Ubuntu...and then she can transfer her data back. ditch WinXP altogether.makes for an easier time when its time to support it remotely. - Reply message - From: "Tim" To: Subject: Installing Linux on a windows hd Date: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 9:40 am Allegedly, on or about 12 February 2014, Roger sent: > A friend who is not computer literate at all has a Dell 1520 laptop > which when new, Dell required it have xp installed. As has already been said, XP support dies very soon. It's not safe to use XP on the net after then. It was never particularly safe when XP was being supported, anyway... Seen it fubared within seconds of going on-line, even saw it pop up a warning about being fubarred, but did nothing to prevent it, nor would anything succeed in unfubarring it. Needed a reinstall. How I laughed when I watched my friend go through that three times in a row, on one night. It's not just XP, itself, that becomes unsupported. It software that can be run on XP, as *those* other coders abandon the abandoned Windows XP over time. Though it's probably quite likely that some anti-virus vendors will continue to produce anti-virus software for an out-of-date XP for some time, long after Microsoft abandons XP. That's been the trend with even older versions of Windows. Some do recognise that users are stuck with using old OSs, for whatever reason (e.g. workplace computers might be un-upgradable). If they are going to continue using XP, go through all the Windows updates, now, let it update all the bug fixes that can be done, and that'll take care of internet explorer, at the same time. Then stop using internet explorer, except for browsing the Microsoft site. Use other, safer, browsers for the www. But it's not new, now, is it? So the Dell *requirement* of having XP isn't really so concrete, and that requirement is surely going to have to change when XP is killed. If they must use Windows, find out the latest version that can be installed on the hardware, then install it. Though you may have something so old that it can't support newer releases. > I do not know if her xp is sp1, 2 or 3 and have no way of finding out > as all contact is by phone, she doesn't have a clue about finding > out, me neither, and she lives some 120 km away. If you feel so inclined, and both of your internet is fast enough, you can take remote control of her PC, and fix it for her yourself, rather than play the telephone support game. Alternatively, have the thing posted to you, sort it out, then send it back. There are tools that give you summaries of the installation, and the "about this computer" option can reveal the service pack installed, at least. You'd need to try Windows update to see how many other things its out-of-date with. But I abandoned helping friends with Windows, long ago. I tell them that I don't use it anymore, I'm not up to date with its foibles, and it'll take me much longer to sort it out than taking it to a computer shop. It's saved me no end of grief. > I would like to run her through installing one of the Linux systems on > the second partition but am worried that on installing it may > overwrite the windows MBR making her windows files, folders, etc > useless, particularly Thunderbird and Firefox. She would not be able > to reinstall windows without me spending a day on the phone. I no > longer have the stamina for epic phone calls. I know that feeling. I had one friend who would have something go wrong with his computer, then get stupidly drunk before phoning me for help. It was hard enough, normally, but that made it extremely painful. The last few times that I've installed Linux (including recent/current Fedora) on a machine with Windows already on it, it has sorted itself out, and the boot menu lets you pick whether to boot Linux or Windows. Depending on which distro was installed, Windows may actually appear as Windows in the menu, or simply be referred to as "Other." And Linux is usually the default boot option. Yes, it takes over the MBR, but the grub bootloader takes care of booting up Linux or Windows, so that doesn't really matter. It might be worth you trying out doing a multi-boot install at your own end, to familiarise yourself with it. It doesn't have to be a Linux/Windows dual-boot, if you don't have a Windows install to play with. Make it two different Linux installations. > This person has no confidence with computers. Over the years I have > talked her through windows problems but now I am lost as to how to > tackle this one. Explain carefully and strongly that XP will not be supported within about a month, that they really need to abandon it. > I think the best linux option would be ubuntu 12.04LTS so she doesn't > have to update the OS. Could be... Or CentOS, if you're more familiar with solving problems similar
Re: New Install
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:40:05 +1030 Leo Simmonds wrote: Can't mount root filesystem" What now? > https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/02/04/more-on-booting-a-practical-fedora-uefi-guide-and-dont-use-universal-usb-stick-writers/ ___ Regards Frank frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
New Install
Hi, I have v20 on a USB drive and want to install on a new machine with no OS currently in place. When I boot, the Fedora install page comes up but then goes into "Starting Dracut Emergency Shell" after the "Warning: Can't mount root filesystem" What now? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Recommendations for web-based photo album
http://shalbum.org/ I did it with shalbum and no problem. suomi On 2014-02-12 15:47, Alex wrote: Hi, I'm interested in setting up an online photo album. I've used Gallery in the past, but wondered if anyone had any other recommendations that would work well with Fedora? A PHP or perl based application would be best. http://coppermine-gallery.net/ Thanks TIm, looks like a good project and should have what I'm looking for. Regards, Alex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Recommendations for web-based photo album
Hi, >> I'm interested in setting up an online photo album. I've used Gallery >> in the past, but wondered if anyone had any other recommendations that >> would work well with Fedora? >> >> A PHP or perl based application would be best. > > http://coppermine-gallery.net/ Thanks TIm, looks like a good project and should have what I'm looking for. Regards, Alex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
Allegedly, on or about 12 February 2014, Roger sent: > A friend who is not computer literate at all has a Dell 1520 laptop > which when new, Dell required it have xp installed. As has already been said, XP support dies very soon. It's not safe to use XP on the net after then. It was never particularly safe when XP was being supported, anyway... Seen it fubared within seconds of going on-line, even saw it pop up a warning about being fubarred, but did nothing to prevent it, nor would anything succeed in unfubarring it. Needed a reinstall. How I laughed when I watched my friend go through that three times in a row, on one night. It's not just XP, itself, that becomes unsupported. It software that can be run on XP, as *those* other coders abandon the abandoned Windows XP over time. Though it's probably quite likely that some anti-virus vendors will continue to produce anti-virus software for an out-of-date XP for some time, long after Microsoft abandons XP. That's been the trend with even older versions of Windows. Some do recognise that users are stuck with using old OSs, for whatever reason (e.g. workplace computers might be un-upgradable). If they are going to continue using XP, go through all the Windows updates, now, let it update all the bug fixes that can be done, and that'll take care of internet explorer, at the same time. Then stop using internet explorer, except for browsing the Microsoft site. Use other, safer, browsers for the www. But it's not new, now, is it? So the Dell *requirement* of having XP isn't really so concrete, and that requirement is surely going to have to change when XP is killed. If they must use Windows, find out the latest version that can be installed on the hardware, then install it. Though you may have something so old that it can't support newer releases. > I do not know if her xp is sp1, 2 or 3 and have no way of finding out > as all contact is by phone, she doesn't have a clue about finding > out, me neither, and she lives some 120 km away. If you feel so inclined, and both of your internet is fast enough, you can take remote control of her PC, and fix it for her yourself, rather than play the telephone support game. Alternatively, have the thing posted to you, sort it out, then send it back. There are tools that give you summaries of the installation, and the "about this computer" option can reveal the service pack installed, at least. You'd need to try Windows update to see how many other things its out-of-date with. But I abandoned helping friends with Windows, long ago. I tell them that I don't use it anymore, I'm not up to date with its foibles, and it'll take me much longer to sort it out than taking it to a computer shop. It's saved me no end of grief. > I would like to run her through installing one of the Linux systems on > the second partition but am worried that on installing it may > overwrite the windows MBR making her windows files, folders, etc > useless, particularly Thunderbird and Firefox. She would not be able > to reinstall windows without me spending a day on the phone. I no > longer have the stamina for epic phone calls. I know that feeling. I had one friend who would have something go wrong with his computer, then get stupidly drunk before phoning me for help. It was hard enough, normally, but that made it extremely painful. The last few times that I've installed Linux (including recent/current Fedora) on a machine with Windows already on it, it has sorted itself out, and the boot menu lets you pick whether to boot Linux or Windows. Depending on which distro was installed, Windows may actually appear as Windows in the menu, or simply be referred to as "Other." And Linux is usually the default boot option. Yes, it takes over the MBR, but the grub bootloader takes care of booting up Linux or Windows, so that doesn't really matter. It might be worth you trying out doing a multi-boot install at your own end, to familiarise yourself with it. It doesn't have to be a Linux/Windows dual-boot, if you don't have a Windows install to play with. Make it two different Linux installations. > This person has no confidence with computers. Over the years I have > talked her through windows problems but now I am lost as to how to > tackle this one. Explain carefully and strongly that XP will not be supported within about a month, that they really need to abandon it. > I think the best linux option would be ubuntu 12.04LTS so she doesn't > have to update the OS. Could be... Or CentOS, if you're more familiar with solving problems similar to Fedora, than dealing with Ubuntu issues. > I would have to set aside 3-4 hours on the phone to walk her through a > basic install before the file system updates, which can also take > hours. I know your pain. But a clean Linux install shouldn't take that long. Only an update-install, which is based on what was previously installed (and has to churn through assessing it and all the
Re: systemd security?
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 08:11:43PM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > So, does this mean people will soon (if not already) > be writing malicious web pages that use d-bus > and systemd to take over your system if you happen > to visit the page? No. There's no mechanism for them to do this. > Or forget web pages. Will random users be able > to disrupt systems that use systemd by spewing > bazillions of d-bus messages in a denial of > service? No. Dbus contains limiting mechanisms precisely to prevent that. > I'm just curious here, but I betcha there are > folks who are more than curious out there... This might help: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-specification.html#auth-protocol -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: "yumdownloader --source" doesn't need enabled source repos, does it?
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 02/12/14 15:38, Frank Murphy wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:23:56 +0800 > > Ed Greshko wrote: > > > >> --enablerepo would need to be available to yumdownloader since the > >> user may well want to download the source from "rawhide" so they > >> indeed need to enable it. > > --enablerepo= is available but would need previous > > yum\dnf install fedora-release-rawhide. > > So I find --releasever=rawhide more convenient, if not on rawhide. > > > > That'll work, as long as you disable any 3rd party repos you may > have which don't have rawhide components. ok, wait, what's happening here? i assume that that option will override the current (installed) version in terms of enabling only rawhide-related source repos for the imminent "yumdownloader --source" command, yes? and is there a way to display *which* source repos the "yumdownloader --source" command would use without running it? perhaps some variation of "repoquery" or something? this seemed like such a simple question when i first asked it ... rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing Linux on a windows hd
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 21:34:55 +1100 Roger wrote: > A friend who is not computer literate at all has a Dell 1520 laptop > which when new, Dell required it have xp installed. XP will be EOL on April 8th 2014 http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/endofsupport.aspx Tell her not to use it when connected to internet. She will get fubared as her McAffee will also not be updated. Just be honest tell her she (may) need to possibly get new kit to works with Win7 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-IE/windows/downloads/upgrade-advisor After that immaterial what Linux you use. ___ Regards Frank frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: "yumdownloader --source" doesn't need enabled source repos, does it?
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Robert P. J. Day > currently (against my better judgment) updating one of the fedora > wiki pages: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Building_a_custom_kernel > > and i'm fairly sure that "yumdownloader --source" does *not* need the > user to explicitly enable the source repos, yumdownloader will do that > automatically, yes? > > > It used to be the case that you had to specify the repos explicitly > but yumdownloader got smarter and you don't have to do that anymore. > It appears that this change was not clearly documented in the man > page however. So in addition to updating the wiki page, I would > *also* file a bug report against yum-utils to update the man page as > well but keep in mind, dnf is merging the functionality of > yumdownloader directly into dnf (which in turn might become the new > yum in a couple of releases). So it might be helpful to check and > file a bug report against dnf as well filed against yum-utils: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1064281 rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: yum check-update F20
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:56:40 +, Frank Murphy wrote: > I can't remember, > but used "yum check-update" > return "no updates available", > if there was none. "yum update" does that. "yum check-update" returns zero (False) if no updates are available and non-zero (True), if updates are available. > [root@]# yum check-update > Loaded plugins: langpacks, local, versionlock > #repo checking snipped > [root@]# # yum check-update && echo "no updates available" Loaded plugins: auto-update-debuginfo, langpacks, refresh-packagekit no updates available # -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: "yumdownloader --source" doesn't need enabled source repos, does it?
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, poma wrote: > On 11.02.2014 23:48, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > >> On 02/12/14 06:27, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > >>> On Tue, 11 Feb 2014, Frank Murphy wrote: > >>> > On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:23:37 -0500 (EST) > "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > > > currently (against my better judgment) updating one of the fedora > > wiki pages: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Building_a_custom_kernel > > > > and i'm fairly sure that "yumdownloader --source" does *not* need the > > user to explicitly enable the source repos, yumdownloader will do that > > automatically, yes? where is that actually stated? "man yumdownloader" > > doesn't say that but it seems to work fine for me here, i just want to > > know where i can point to make that clear. thanks. > > > > rday > > > yumdownloader -h (--help) > >>> that does not clarify what i was asking about -- it simply says that > >>> "--source" operates on source packages. > >> > >> Well, it actually says > >> > >> yumdownloader options: > >> --destdir=DESTDIR destination directory (defaults to current > >> directory) > >> --urls just list the urls it would download instead of > >> downloading > >> --resolve resolve dependencies and download required packages > >> --sourceoperate on source packages > >> --archlist=ARCHLIST > >> only download packages of certain architecture(s) > >> > >> So, those 5 options are the ones that apply to "yumdownloader". > >> Since there is no mention of --enablerepo being part of the options > >> applicable to "yumdownloader" it implies that option is not > >> available/needed. > > > > ok, i'll take that as the best confirmation i can get. thanks. > > > > rday > > > > def setupSourceRepos(self): ># enable the -source repos for enabled primary repos > http://yum.baseurl.org/gitweb?p=yum-utils.git;a=blob;f=yumdownloader.py;h=b448aa8537410610268527afa5923727c084650a;hb=HEAD#l113 > > "… Never disable source repos. …" > http://yum.baseurl.org/gitweb?p=yum-utils.git;a=commit;h=a4eb3957dbf36f29d2fe49b380f7399b73dedbc1 > > "make the '--source' work and make it a little smarter so the > 'reponame-source' are enabled automaticly for all enabled repos, when > '--source' is used. …" > http://yum.baseurl.org/gitweb?p=yum-utils.git;a=commit;h=75b53276b1a0a061b5860e24a97e5e71779a27f7 man, i *am* going to need to get familiar with all the fedora git repos, aren't i? :-) so, just based on the comment at that link, *-source repos will be automatically enabled for all currently enabled binary package repos? ok, that makes sense. now i'll read the rest of this thread to see if anyone changes the rules yet again. :-P rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Installing Linux on a windows hd
A friend who is not computer literate at all has a Dell 1520 laptop which when new, Dell required it have xp installed. I insisted at the time that the hd have 2 partitions as I intended to install either Fedora or Ubuntu but that was years ago and I had forgotten all about it till today. Macafee insists on updating but will not do so until she updates explorer which she never uses and knows nothing about. I have no idea about updating explorer either, never used it. I've googled but my google produces different results to her google search so I can't tell her to click on this or that option. I do not know if her xp is sp1, 2 or 3 and have no way of finding out as all contact is by phone, she doesn't have a clue about finding out, me neither, and she lives some 120 km away. I would like to run her through installing one of the Linux systems on the second partition but am worried that on installing it may overwrite the windows MBR making her windows files, folders, etc useless, particularly Thunderbird and Firefox. She would not be able to reinstall windows without me spending a day on the phone. I no longer have the stamina for epic phone calls. This person has no confidence with computers. Over the years I have talked her through windows problems but now I am lost as to how to tackle this one. I understand how to get linux to clean install on the second partition and I think I remember about how to use it's own boot record not the MBR but have no idea how she would access linux with windows on the first partition. I would prefer to make Linux the default boot option without overwriting her MBR. I think this can be done as a bios option as I do on my desktop pc. I think the best linux option would be ubuntu 12.04LTS so she doesn't have to update the OS. Can someone direct me on the best approach for this as I would have to set aside 3-4 hours on the phone to walk her through a basic install before the file system updates, which can also take hours. Help is most gratefully appreciated. Thanks in advance Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Service multiplex
The thing is that circumvention is also possible by disabling direct proxy script download and set direct internet access, in that case there is no need set up service-subdomain multiplexing. It could also be possible to set httpd:80 and everything else on 443 where some php script switches which service is running at a given time. Although the question is not how to shoot, but what are steps of the weapon production. On 02/12/2014 12:26 AM, Robert Dady wrote: > Could this work? What else do I need to make this work? > This is actually a brainstorming, but who knows maybe it results > something useful. > To be honest, this sounds like you're trying to violate (or at least circumvent) your company's security policy and I wouldn't feel right suggesting ways for you to do that. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building a new kernel, and firmware
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, poma wrote: > On 11.02.2014 23:41, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > last question about "building kernel" wiki page, i promise. here: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Building_a_custom_kernel#Build_the_New_Kernel > > > > one reads: > > > > "To build with firmware included, do: > > > > rpmbuild -bb --with baseonly --with firmware --without debuginfo \ > > --target=`uname -m` kernel.spec " > > > > i've examined the kernel.spec file and i see nothing about firmware > > there. further down that page, one reads: > > > > "su -c "rpm -ivh > > $HOME/rpmbuild/RPMS//kernel-..rpm \ > >$HOME/rpmbuild/RPMS//kernel-firmware-..rpm \ > >$HOME/rpmbuild/RPMS//kernel-headers-..rpm \ > >$HOME/rpmbuild/RPMS//kernel-devel-..rpm" > > > > but i just did a build "--with firmware" and i see no generated > > "kernel-firmware" rpm. did that *used* to exist? can someone clarify > > this? > > > > just FYI, i'm writing a wiki page that i want to use in an upcoming > > fedora admin course, and i want to make sure that the recipe i give is > > absolutely accurate; hence, my obsession with technical pedantry. > > > > rday > > > > "Drop the kernel-firmware subpackage from the spec file" > http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/kernel.git/commit/kernel.spec?id=eb0d563f579fc30110899eae827bc069b728e5cc ah, thank you, i've updated the fedora wiki page to remove references to building the firmware package. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F20 gnome inactivity causes mouse/kbd unresponsiveness, must restart gnome-shell
Hello, I've two systems running F20 + updates-testing, a T400 laptop and a desktop PC. PC was upgraded with yum from F18, laptop was a fresh install. Both experience the same problems, at least for roughly two weeks now, maybe longer (not sure when this started, maybe even from the install in Dec/Jan). The problems are much more severe on the laptop, though (laptop is on docking station and on power all the time). After inactivity timeout, you need to swipe the screen or use keyboard to reactivate it (I've disabled screen locking). The problem that often occurs is that mouse movement works, but clicking doesn't do anything. Similarly keyboard is unresponsibe. The clock has been frozen to the inactivity time. The workaround is to use CTRL-ALT-F2, log on there and do 'killall -HUP gnome-shell'. Then you can resume the session (after entering the password etc.). Sometimes restarting doesn't work. I've been unable to find similar reports on F20 but maybe I don't know what to look for. On F18 I found something remotely familiar (but this occurs pre-locking and there are no errors): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872118 I see no strange messages in messages, Xorg.0.log or gdm logs. Any ideas? Where to start digging? -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oykingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
yum check-update F20
I can't remember, but used "yum check-update" return "no updates available", if there was none. [root@]# yum check-update Loaded plugins: langpacks, local, versionlock #repo checking snipped [root@]# yum-3.4.3-132.fc20.noarch ___ Regards Frank frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Service multiplex
On 02/12/2014 12:26 AM, Robert Dady wrote: Could this work? What else do I need to make this work? This is actually a brainstorming, but who knows maybe it results something useful. To be honest, this sounds like you're trying to violate (or at least circumvent) your company's security policy and I wouldn't feel right suggesting ways for you to do that. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: "yumdownloader --source" doesn't need enabled source repos, does it?
On 12 February 2014 00:45, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 02/12/14 06:27, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Feb 2014, Frank Murphy wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:23:37 -0500 (EST) > >> "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > >> > >>> currently (against my better judgment) updating one of the fedora > >>> wiki pages: > >>> > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Building_a_custom_kernel > >>> > >>> and i'm fairly sure that "yumdownloader --source" does *not* need the > >>> user to explicitly enable the source repos, yumdownloader will do that > >>> automatically, yes? where is that actually stated? "man yumdownloader" > >>> doesn't say that but it seems to work fine for me here, i just want to > >>> know where i can point to make that clear. thanks. > >>> > >>> rday > >>> > >> yumdownloader -h (--help) > > that does not clarify what i was asking about -- it simply says that > > "--source" operates on source packages. > > Well, it actually says > > yumdownloader options: > --destdir=DESTDIR destination directory (defaults to current > directory) > --urls just list the urls it would download instead of > downloading > --resolve resolve dependencies and download required packages > --sourceoperate on source packages > --archlist=ARCHLIST > only download packages of certain architecture(s) > > So, those 5 options are the ones that apply to "yumdownloader". Since > there is no mention of --enablerepo being part of the options applicable to > "yumdownloader" it implies that option is not available/needed. > > > > In the man page is says: ADDITIONAL OPTIONS Yumdownloader inherits all other options from yum. See the yum(8) man page for more information --enablerepo can be used with yumdownloader. So the --help message should say something like: Yum Base Options (inherited by yumdownloader) > -- > Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > -- Ahmad Samir -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Service multiplex
Hi! I have a workplace that only allows access of "free internet" servers at :80 (and :443). What if my server should have several services (https, ssh, vnc etc), that need to be accessed from this restricted subnet? My server has an own domain, e.g. mydomain.net My idea was to create as many tap interfaces as many services I would like to have and bind each services to its own tap interface at port :80 and each service should have its own subdomain i.e www.mydomain.net, ssh.mydomain.net, vnc.mydomain.net. Could this work? What else do I need to make this work? This is actually a brainstorming, but who knows maybe it results something useful. Best regards, Robert -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: "yumdownloader --source" doesn't need enabled source repos, does it?
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 15:52:36 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > That'll work, as long as you disable any 3rd party repos you may have > which don't have rawhide components. Hence place "skip_if_unavailable=1" in 3rd party repos. Notes, the 404's but carries on. as user: yumdownloader --source --releasever=rawhide kernel Could not retrieve mirrorlist http://rpms.famillecollet.com/fedora/rawhide/remi/mirror error was 14: HTTP Error 404 - Not Found http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/rawhide-kernel-nodebug/SRPMS/kernel-3.14.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc21.src.rpm: [Errno 16] error opening local file from http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/rawhide-kernel-nodebug/SRPMS/kernel-3.14.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc21.src.rpm, IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: './kernel-3.14.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc21.src.rpm' Trying other mirror. kernel-3.14.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc21.src: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. Do it once on *.repo install :) ___ Regards Frank frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
