Re: F20 Updates or yum broken?

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 19 February 2014, Dan Irwin sent:
> This morning while running yum update -y I noticed some problems...

That's the kind of reasons why I don't do "yum update -y".  You lose the
ability to stop problems *before* they happen.

About the only time I'd even consider doing it, would be on multiple
identical computer installations.  Once you've seen the update work on
one of them, you'd feel safe it'd be okay for the rest.

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Re: Fc20, systemd, and nonexistent services

[David Mehler]

Hello,

Thanks.



On 2/18/14, T.C. Hollingsworth  wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:42 PM, David Mehler  wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm running a new FC20 system, one that was upgraded.
>>
>> I'm using:
>>
>> systemctl -t service -a -l
>>
>> to check services and I'm seeing several that I don't have installed,
>> exim (MTA?) for example. I've tried using systemctl disable to remove
>> the service, and don't get anything back.
>>
>> How do I prune my services list/get the unknown or uninstalled packages
>> out?
>
> Don't pass the '-a' argument to systemctl.  ;-)
>
> Using the '-a' argument makes systemctl display every unit it knows
> about regardless of whether it's installed or not.  There are several
> ways it can know about services that don't exist.  The most common
> case where this happens is if a service wants to make sure it is
> started before/after another service, but doesn't necessarily require
> it to be running if it's not installed.  It defines Before/After
> dependencies for such services in its systemd unit file, which affects
> the ordering of services being started, but not whether they're
> actually started.
>
> So you probably have some service that wants to start before/after
> exim, but doesn't necessarily require it to be there. (Perhaps because
> it could work with sendmail or postfix as well).  This is nothing to
> worry about, hence why systemctl hides it from you unless you
> specifically unearth it with the '-a' argument.
>
> If you want to view all running services and ones systemd tried and
> failed to start, just use 'systemctl -t service'.  If you want to see
> a list of all services and whether they're enabled, disabled, or
> statically enabled, use 'systemctl -t service list-unit-files'.
>
> -T.C.
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Re: How do I -

[Michael Hennebry]

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014, Pete Travis wrote:


On Feb 18, 2014 1:15 PM, "Mark Haney"  wrote:



It's never that trivial in my experience.  Regardless of if the VGs
and LVs are named identically or not.  And that's a big part of the
frustration.  The biggest hurdle I've encountered has been
incompatible LVM versions between what I'm using to mount with and
what I'm mounting.  Granted, I've not had to do that sort of thing in
a couple of years, so maybe it's better now, but prior to 2012 it was
a nightmare.



I can appreciate your concern - I have some horror stories too - but we
have no indication that Bob has those kind of problems, and venting your
frustration does little to address his immediate problem.


Even if venting was the intent, Mark accomplished more than venting.
He reduced the likelihood that Bob would eventually
be written off as a problem user or some such.
A problem user being one who attempts strange things,
e.g. using his computer in the shower,
and then neglects to tell us about them.
The result being that something that works perfectly for everyone
else fails miserably for him, but no one will ever know why.

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Re: F20 Updates or yum broken?

[Dan Irwin]

Hello Joe,

Thanks for the tip. I had forgotten about package-cleanup. However, running
that shows some more issues:

Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading packages:
Running transaction check
ERROR with transaction check vs depsolve:
libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed)
libvirt-daemon-driver-network-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64
libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed)
libvirt-daemon-driver-qemu-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64
libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed)
libvirt-daemon-driver-secret-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64
libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed)
libvirt-daemon-driver-nodedev-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64
libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed)
libvirt-daemon-driver-nwfilter-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64
libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed)
libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64
libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed)
libvirt-daemon-driver-interface-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64
libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed)
libvirt-daemon-kvm-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64
Complete!
(1, [])

If I try to remove libvirt-daemon, and its dependencies, I get the
following error:

# rpm -e libvirt... (and it's dependencies including gnome-boxes)
warning: %postun(gnome-boxes-3.10.2-2.fc20.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit
status 127
error: %preun(libvirt-daemon-1.1.3.2-1.fc20.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit
status 127
error: libvirt-daemon-1.1.3.2-1.fc20.x86_64: erase failed

It's beginning to look like a re-install is on the cards! Still, I'd love
to know what caused this breakage.

Cheers,

Dan



On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 02/18/2014 05:46 PM, Dan Irwin wrote:
>
>>
>> Looks like the rpmdb has become corrupted. I wouldn't expect 3 versions
>> of something like firewalld to be installed concurrently.
>>
>
> package-cleanup --cleandupes
>
> should fix that.
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Re: Using LightScribe on Linux???

[Doug]

On 02/18/2014 08:51 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 10:12:36PM -0500, Doug wrote:

On 02/16/2014 09:35 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

I've got a project in which I'll be making many dozens of DVDs from
other media, and I thought it'd be really cool to use LightScribe to
label the discs.

well, I come to discover that LightScribe seems to have gone out of
fashion, and I can't find suitable software anywhere.

LaCie used to distribute software for Linux that reportedly worked
well, but I can't find it either,... it has disappeared from their
web site.

Can anyone point me to a site that may still have it? (or other
suitable substitute).

Thanks!


What you need is LightScribe Simple Labeler. It looks like you can
get it from this outfit:

http://www.pawtec.com/lightscribe/

Doug, I've got both files, and have installed 'em, but so far how to
use them has eluded me. Is there any docs on them?

thanks!

Fred

You actually need two programs--they should both come with the
download, if I
remember it correctly.*  I have been using LIghtScribe for several
years. It does
seem to be out of fashion, nowadays, and I 'm not sure that the LightScribe
company still exists. (Maybe it was Lite-On?) Anyway you can still buy disks
and you can still get drives--I just bought a low-profile internal
LightScribe drive for
my laptop. But this situation is likely to deteriorate, so it would
be a good idea to
anticipate your needs, for hardware, software and media, and buy now!
(The software is free.)

*Maybe they don't.  In my download directory I find

lightscribe-1.18.27.10-linux-2.6-intel.rpm
lightscribeApplications-1.18.15.1-linux-2.6-intel.rpm

The first file is 825987 B, the second file is 9756232 B.
If you can't find these files, send me a message directly--I think
they are small enough
to send without my server complaining.

I see you're sending from Fedora, so these rpms should work just
fine. I'm on PCLOS,
and they work fine for me.

--doug


I don't think you need any docs, if the files are installed. You should 
have a program
called SimpleLabeler. On my machine it installed on opt. Here's the 
whole path:


/opt/lightscribeApplications/SimpleLabeler/SimpleLabeler   *

The last entry there is the actual command. I have made an icon on my 
desktop for it.
When I snap on the icon, it will come up with a red background and a 
gold disk on it,
and on top it will say "LightScribe Simple Labeler" and on the bottom it 
will say

"PLease insert a LightScribe disc into your drive, label-side down."
Then you select "Next>" and you get (1) a window with instructions to 
enter top text here
and enter bottom test here (two windows) and a Font selection. (2) 
Select border, which
allows you to either have it blank except for your text, or some 
designs. (3) Select

LightScribe Drive (I have two on this machine)--this is a scroll up/down.
Then it will ask you how many copies, then Next> And when you see that, 
you get

the choice to Burn Label.
That's it. About 4 minutes later, your disk will be labeled.
There is a Help box, but I never opened it.

I would think if you haven't made an icon, then do a
cd /home/your-user-name-/opt/lightscribeApplications/SimpleLabeler
and then ./SimpleLabeler

(If you don't have the files in /opt, then make corrections as necessary.

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Re: F20 Updates or yum broken?

[Joe Zeff]

On 02/18/2014 05:46 PM, Dan Irwin wrote:


Looks like the rpmdb has become corrupted. I wouldn't expect 3 versions
of something like firewalld to be installed concurrently.


package-cleanup --cleandupes

should fix that.
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Re: Using LightScribe on Linux???

[Fred Smith]

On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 10:12:36PM -0500, Doug wrote:
> On 02/16/2014 09:35 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
> >I've got a project in which I'll be making many dozens of DVDs from
> >other media, and I thought it'd be really cool to use LightScribe to
> >label the discs.
> >
> >well, I come to discover that LightScribe seems to have gone out of
> >fashion, and I can't find suitable software anywhere.
> >
> >LaCie used to distribute software for Linux that reportedly worked
> >well, but I can't find it either,... it has disappeared from their
> >web site.
> >
> >Can anyone point me to a site that may still have it? (or other
> >suitable substitute).
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> What you need is LightScribe Simple Labeler. It looks like you can
> get it from this outfit:
> 
> http://www.pawtec.com/lightscribe/

Doug, I've got both files, and have installed 'em, but so far how to
use them has eluded me. Is there any docs on them?

thanks!

Fred
> 
> You actually need two programs--they should both come with the
> download, if I
> remember it correctly.*  I have been using LIghtScribe for several
> years. It does
> seem to be out of fashion, nowadays, and I 'm not sure that the LightScribe
> company still exists. (Maybe it was Lite-On?) Anyway you can still buy disks
> and you can still get drives--I just bought a low-profile internal
> LightScribe drive for
> my laptop. But this situation is likely to deteriorate, so it would
> be a good idea to
> anticipate your needs, for hardware, software and media, and buy now!
> (The software is free.)
> 
> *Maybe they don't.  In my download directory I find
> 
> lightscribe-1.18.27.10-linux-2.6-intel.rpm
> lightscribeApplications-1.18.15.1-linux-2.6-intel.rpm
> 
> The first file is 825987 B, the second file is 9756232 B.
> If you can't find these files, send me a message directly--I think
> they are small enough
> to send without my server complaining.
> 
> I see you're sending from Fedora, so these rpms should work just
> fine. I'm on PCLOS,
> and they work fine for me.
> 
> --doug
> 
> 
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Re: IOMMU issue

[Stephen Davies]

I think that the easy way out is to buy a new box.
This one seems just too old:-(

Cheers,
Stephen

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 12:37:56 AM Max wrote:
> On 02/17/2014 09:05 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:
> > I have just used fedup to upgrade from FC17 to FC18.
> > 
> > When I reboot into fedup, the screen is unreadable in graphics mode so
> > I changed the grub configuration to use console.
> > 
> > Now booting to fedup gives:
> > 
> > dmar:IOMMU: failed to map dmar0
> > 
> > and hangs/crashes/freezes.
> > 
> > If I reboot to FC17, the system is perfectly usable but dmesg tells me:
> > 
> > [ 0.00] Kernel command line:
> > BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.3.4-5.fc17.x86_64
> > root=/dev/mapper/vg_mustang-lv_root ro rd.md=0 rd.dm=0 SYSFONT=True
> > KEYTABLE=us rd.lvm.lv=vg_mustang/lv_swap rd.lvm.lv=vg_mustang/lv_root
> > rd.luks=0 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 rhgb quiet
> > 
> > [ 0.00] PID hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes)
> > 
> > [ 0.00] Checking aperture...
> > 
> > [ 0.00] No AGP bridge found
> > 
> > [ 0.00] [ cut here ]
> > 
> > [ 0.00] WARNING: at drivers/iommu/dmar.c:492
> > warn_invalid_dmar+0x92/0xa0()
> > 
> > [ 0.00] Hardware name: S3210SH
> > 
> > [ 0.00] Your BIOS is broken; DMAR reported at address feb0
> > returns all ones!
> 
> Is there a BIOS update available ? I would guess that changes in the
> kernel between F17 and F18 are not playing well with your motherboard's
> BIOS.
> 
> It could be related to your video card since your getting graphical
> distortion. Is this embedded graphics(onboard) or an add in graphics
> card? If you have an add-in video card and there is an integrated video
> chipset, have you tried removing the add-in card and working with the
> onboard video ?
> 
> I would check to see if there is a BIOS update available.  I am
> unfamiliar with fedup so maybe none of the above matters. Have you tried
> anything else besides adding iommu=off ?
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F20 Updates or yum broken?

[Dan Irwin]

Hello,

This morning while running yum update -y I noticed some problems.

It seems like abrt has some dependancy issues, and yum can't deal with this
on it's own.

I am also seeing a long list of erroneous messages like the following:

firewalld-0.3.9.2-1.fc20.noarch is a duplicate with
firewalld-0.3.9-1.fc20.noarch
firewalld-0.3.9.3-1.fc20.noarch is a duplicate with
firewalld-0.3.9.2-1.fc20.noarch

>From talking to rpm I get this:

# rpm -q firewalld

firewalld-0.3.9-1.fc20.noarch
firewalld-0.3.9.2-1.fc20.noarch
firewalld-0.3.9.3-1.fc20.noarch

Looks like the rpmdb has become corrupted. I wouldn't expect 3 versions of
something like firewalld to be installed concurrently.



Dan

Output from yum:

--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Package: abrt-addon-kerneloops-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
   Requires: abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
   Removing: abrt-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
   abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
   Updated By: abrt-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 (updates)
   abrt = 2.1.12-2.fc20
   Available: abrt-2.1.9-1.fc20.x86_64 (fedora)
   abrt = 2.1.9-1.fc20
Error: Package: abrt-addon-pstoreoops-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
   Requires: abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
   Removing: abrt-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
   abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
   Updated By: abrt-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 (updates)
   abrt = 2.1.12-2.fc20
   Available: abrt-2.1.9-1.fc20.x86_64 (fedora)
   abrt = 2.1.9-1.fc20
Error: Package: abrt-addon-xorg-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
   Requires: abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
   Removing: abrt-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
   abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
   Updated By: abrt-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 (updates)
   abrt = 2.1.12-2.fc20
   Available: abrt-2.1.9-1.fc20.x86_64 (fedora)
   abrt = 2.1.9-1.fc20
Error: Package: abrt-addon-vmcore-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
   Requires: abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
   Removing: abrt-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
   abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
   Updated By: abrt-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 (updates)
   abrt = 2.1.12-2.fc20
   Available: abrt-2.1.9-1.fc20.x86_64 (fedora)
   abrt = 2.1.9-1.fc20
Error: Package: abrt-addon-ccpp-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
   Requires: abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
   Removing: abrt-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
   abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
   Updated By: abrt-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 (updates)
   abrt = 2.1.12-2.fc20
   Available: abrt-2.1.9-1.fc20.x86_64 (fedora)
   abrt = 2.1.9-1.fc20
 You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
** Found 59 pre-existing rpmdb problem(s), 'yum check' output follows:
1:NetworkManager-0.9.9.0-24.git20131003.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of
NetworkManager-glib(x86-64) = ('1', '0.9.9.0', '24.git20131003.fc20')
1:NetworkManager-0.9.9.0-26.git20131003.fc20.x86_64 is a duplicate with
1:NetworkManager-0.9.9.0-24.git20131003.fc20.x86_64
1:NetworkManager-0.9.9.0-26.git20131003.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of
NetworkManager-glib(x86-64) = ('1', '0.9.9.0', '26.git20131003.fc20')
1:NetworkManager-0.9.9.0-28.git20131003.fc20.x86_64 is a duplicate with
1:NetworkManager-0.9.9.0-26.git20131003.fc20.x86_64
abrt-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt-libs = ('0',
'2.1.11', '1.fc20')
abrt-addon-ccpp-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt-libs =
('0', '2.1.11', '1.fc20')
abrt-addon-ccpp-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 is a duplicate with
abrt-addon-ccpp-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64
abrt-addon-ccpp-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt = ('0',
'2.1.12', '2.fc20')
abrt-addon-kerneloops-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of
abrt-libs = ('0', '2.1.11', '1.fc20')
abrt-addon-kerneloops-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 is a duplicate with
abrt-addon-kerneloops-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64
abrt-addon-kerneloops-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt =
('0', '2.1.12', '2.fc20')
abrt-addon-pstoreoops-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of
abrt-libs = ('0', '2.1.11', '1.fc20')
abrt-addon-pstoreoops-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 is a duplicate with
abrt-addon-pstoreoops-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64
abrt-addon-pstoreoops-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt =
('0', '2.1.12', '2.fc20')
abrt-addon-python-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt = ('0',
'2.1.12', '2.fc20')
abrt-addon-vmcore-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 is a duplicate with
abrt-addon-vmcore-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64
abrt-addon-vmcore-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt = ('0',
'2.1.12', '2.fc20')
abrt-addon-xorg-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 is a duplicate with
abrt-addon-xorg-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64
abrt-addon-xorg-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt = ('0',
'2.1.12', '2.fc20')
abrt-dbus-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt = ('0',
'2.1.12', '2.fc20')
abrt-desktop-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt = ('0',
'2.1

Re: vim-common conflicts with vim-minimal

[Fulko Hew]

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 5:29 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth <
tchollingswo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Fulko Hew  wrote:
> > file /usr/share/man/man1/vim.1.gz of vim-common-2:7.4.189-1.fc20.i686
> >   conflicts with file from package vim-minimal-2:7.4.027-2.fc20.i686
>
> Both vim-common and vim-minimal ship a copy of the vim man page.
> Ordinarily, this does not result in an RPM conflict, since the files
> will be identical in both packages.
>
> However, you seem to have different versions of vim-common and
> vim-minimal, so the file is not identical, thus resulting in the
> conflict.  Update vim-minimal to be the same version as vim-common,
> and the problem will go away.
>

Those were the magic words to explain what(s) happened.

To perform my install tests, I always want to start with a virgin system;
so I always reboot a new copy of the live CD, and then do the install
of my package.  If anything is wrong, I fix it, rebuild my package, reboot'
a new Live CD, and retest, and repeat, repeat, etc.

Because its a live cd boot, I never do a 'yum update' first.
(Why bother?  its a working CD, and yum will pull in any dependencies
_my_ package needs.)

But...  my package's post-install routines do add a sudo config value
and so it 'requires' sudo, and the sudo package in turn requires (I think)
the vim-common package, and this new vim-common is/contains a
newer/current version that is incompatible with the version of the
vim-minimal package that was built into the live CD.

I'll test that hypothesis tomorrow at work by updating the live environment
first, before performing the install of _my_ package.
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Re: Help needed with xhost

[g]

On 02/18/2014 10:14 PM, Ambrogio De Lorenzo wrote:
<<>>


The problem is that there are a lot of reasons I won't use a user
instead of root, and I think that if root exist, it should e used.


root exist to be used when it is needed. all the time is when it is
needed.

> As in my car I have the 1st gear, I can use it :-)

1st gear is to get a car rolling with out putting a strain on the
engine. once car is rolling, shifting to next gear is to make car
roll faster, and so on to top gear.

i have a 4 speed transmission, which i always start out with 1st
gear then shift to a higher gear. some times i skip 3rd and go
straight to 4th. seldom, i skip 2nd and shift to 3rd, then 4th.
but that is driving a car.

all of which is entirely different from being a user in an os.

but as Joe Zeff says, run 'top gear' all the time if you so
desire, but be sure that you make backups every time before
you log off, and every time you add anything.

it is your time and your system you are using, if you wish
to do so unwisely it is your choice. but it is your time to
be spent when you have to rebuild or reinstall.

i would estimate that most all users, like 99.99%, on this
list log in as a user and use root only when necessary and
it is because most all users on this list are practiced,
educated and well informed users. if you want to be a part
of the 00.01%, have at it.

also, do be aware that there are some programs and commands
that will not work as a "logged in as root" user. ;-)


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Re: Recovering/Restoring Boot Partition

[Don Levey]

On 1/29/2014 13:59, Chris Murphy wrote:
> 
> ...
> Anyway, if you're for sure convinced it's corrupt then reformat the 
> partition. 
> Use blkid to get the new volume UUID to insert into /etc/fstab so it gets 
> mounted 
> when you next boot. And then mount root, boot, (boot/efi if this is a UEFI 
> machine), and use:
> mount -B /dev /mnt/dev#where /mnt is where rootfs is mounted
> mount -B /proc /mnt/proc
> mount -B /sys /mnt/sys
> chroot /mnt
> yum reinstall kernel #grubby will probably complain due to lack of 
> grub.cfg
> grub2-install /dev/sdX   
> grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
> 
> 
Chris,
After several weeks of schedule hell, I was finally able to work on
this.  The upshot is that the previously installed kernels weren't
available (so I had to pull the more recent available one), I got some
errors on the grub2 commands, and when rebooting into the new kernel I
get several errors:

When entering GRUB:
error: file `/grub2/locale/en.mo.gz' not found

After selecting kernel from the grub menu:
error: invalid magic number.
Loading initial ramdisk...
error: you need to load the kernel first

These were similar errors to the ones I was getting when the problem
first appeared - and yet now things should be installed into the boots
directory on the / partition rather than the separate /boot partition
that seems to have become unloadable.

Does this make any sense?
 -Don


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Re: vim-common conflicts with vim-minimal

[T.C. Hollingsworth]

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Fulko Hew  wrote:
> file /usr/share/man/man1/vim.1.gz of vim-common-2:7.4.189-1.fc20.i686
>   conflicts with file from package vim-minimal-2:7.4.027-2.fc20.i686

Both vim-common and vim-minimal ship a copy of the vim man page.
Ordinarily, this does not result in an RPM conflict, since the files
will be identical in both packages.

However, you seem to have different versions of vim-common and
vim-minimal, so the file is not identical, thus resulting in the
conflict.  Update vim-minimal to be the same version as vim-common,
and the problem will go away.

-T.C.
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Re: Help needed with xhost

[Joe Zeff]

On 02/18/2014 02:14 PM, Ambrogio De Lorenzo wrote:

Well... first of all, if I use another user and I issue rm -rf * maybe I
will have a perfectly working laptop but without data! And for me data
are more important than a working system.


That all depends; if you do it in (let's say) ~/Downloads, it wouldn't 
be as bad as if you did it in your home folder.  I'm not saying that you 
shouldn't ever, under any circumstances run as root (or even not run in 
a GUI as root) but that doing so is risky.  And, if your data is more 
important to you than a working system (something I can well understand) 
I do hope that you are making regular backups.

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Re: vim-common conflicts with vim-minimal

[Max]

On 02/18/2014 04:12 PM, Fulko Hew wrote:



On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Max > wrote:


On 02/18/2014 12:26 PM, Fulko Hew wrote:

This morning (while yum install (testing my private package))
I'm getting the error:

file /usr/share/man/man1/vim.1.gz of
vim-common-2:7.4.189-1.fc20.i686
  conflicts with file from package
vim-minimal-2:7.4.027-2.fc20.i686

Yesterday it was fine.

Do you install and uninstall your private package on a daily basis?


Actually, I've been installing it on a minute-ly basis while I've been 
updating/testing
its .spec file to deal with bug and changes required to update it to 
support

the changes in F20 (and latest Centos/RHEL).

Did something break overnight ?

Have you run any updates or made changes to your private package
recently?


I reverted back to my yesterday's .spec file, and the problem remained.
P.S.  I've been testing against F20 Live KDE

For my testing today I've been erasing the vim-minimal package first,
but that shouldn't be required.

And, whats a possible workaround?


Don't know much about packaging specifically but I'd guess that
both packages have a file with the same name. So a file named
vim.1.gz already exists in that directory.It would probably be
better to just uninstall vim then install your private package.


Its not a conflict with _my_ package, its a conflict between
one vim package and another vim package.

I see, I thought maybe you were installing your own vim package. That 
was how I read it at any rate.
So when installing your package its not pulling in vim-common as a 
dependency or anything? The message just randomly pops up out of 
nowhere? I am confused. Like I said I don't know anything about 
packaging but I would like to learn.


At any rate the file is specified and evidently is being supplied by 
both packages as near as I can tell. So maybe the dependencies have 
changed for one of the vim packages. One possibly used to pull in the 
other during install, perhaps for the sole purpose of providing that 
particular file. Now the file is packaged with it and so installing the 
other attempts to provide the same file and error! No?


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Re: Help needed with xhost

[Ambrogio De Lorenzo]

Il giorno mar, 18/02/2014 alle 12.45 -0800, Joe Zeff ha scritto:
> On 02/18/2014 12:33 PM, Ambrogio De Lorenzo wrote:
> > I use my laptop with a user (root in this case, but please don't say
> > "don't use root").
> 
> If you want to run as root, go right ahead and do so.  (I have an old 
> laptop that ambles along with Puppy, because that's about all it can 
> handle.  Puppy normally has only one user, and that's root, so I'm not 
> in a position to tell you that you shouldn't ever run as root.) 
> However, when (not if) your system gets trashed because of a typo, or 
> because you used a wildcard where you shouldn't,[1] don't expect any 
> sympathy from us.
Ok, this is exactly what I thought.
Well... first of all, if I use another user and I issue rm -rf * maybe I
will have a perfectly working laptop but without data! And for me data
are more important than a working system.

The problem is that there are a lot of reasons I won't use a user
instead of root, and I think that if root exist, it should e used. As in
my car I have the 1st gear, I can use it :-)

What about xhost?
There is a way to use the screen used by another user?

> 
> [1]Hint: before using rm with a wildcard, use ls and make sure that 
> you're not going to delete anything unexpected.

Bye
 Ambrogio
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Re: How do I -

[Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 18/02/14 15:24, Pete Travis wrote:


I can appreciate your concern - I have some horror stories too - but 
we have no indication that Bob has those kind of problems, and venting 
your frustration does little to address his immediate problem.


--Pete



I have installed F-20 using conventional directories on a third hard 
drive and will no longer have to deal with the LVM. I'm know LVMs work 
and have used them for a while since they were the default installation 
and I took the simplest route. I intend to do without them for a while ...


Bob

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Re: vim-common conflicts with vim-minimal

[Fulko Hew]

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Max  wrote:

> On 02/18/2014 12:26 PM, Fulko Hew wrote:
>
>> This morning (while yum install (testing my private package))
>> I'm getting the error:
>>
>> file /usr/share/man/man1/vim.1.gz of vim-common-2:7.4.189-1.fc20.i686
>>   conflicts with file from package vim-minimal-2:7.4.027-2.fc20.i686
>>
>> Yesterday it was fine.
>>
> Do you install and uninstall your private package on a daily basis?


Actually, I've been installing it on a minute-ly basis while I've been
updating/testing
its .spec file to deal with bug and changes required to update it to support
the changes in F20 (and latest Centos/RHEL).

 Did something break overnight ?
>
Have you run any updates or made changes to your private package recently?


I reverted back to my yesterday's .spec file, and the problem remained.
P.S.  I've been testing against F20 Live KDE

For my testing today I've been erasing the vim-minimal package first,
but that shouldn't be required.

 And, whats a possible workaround?
>

Don't know much about packaging specifically but I'd guess that both
> packages have a file with the same name. So a file named vim.1.gz already
> exists in that directory.It would probably be better to just uninstall vim
> then install your private package.
>

Its not a conflict with _my_ package, its a conflict between
one vim package and another vim package.

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Re: nx on fedora 18

[Patrick Dupre]

I can all say.

I did what is recommanded in
http://lifeofageekadmin.com/how-to-setup-freenx-server-on-fedora-18-x64/

then

/usr/libexec/nx/nxserver --status
NX> 100 NXSERVER - Version 3.2.0-74-SVN OS (GPL, using backend: 3.5.0)
NX> 110 NX Server is running
NX> 999 Bye

I also did:
/usr/libexec/nx/nxkeygen

cp /var/lib/nxserver/home/.ssh/client.id_dsa.key ~/

qtnx gives:

Warning: Identity file id.key not accessible: No such file or directory


> 
> Hello,
> 
> On a fedora 18 machine, I installed:
> freenx-server-0.7.3-30.fc18.x86_64
> nxcl-0.9-15.fc18.x86_64
> qtnx-0.9-15.fc18.x86_64
> nx-3.5.0-12.fc18.x86_64
> freenx-client-0.9-15.fc18.x86_64
> 
> I try to run:
>  nxssh -nx localhost
> 
> and I get:
> nxssh -nx localhost
> NX> 203 NXSSH running with pid: 11385
> NX> 200 Connected to address: ::1 on port: 22
> NX> 211 The authenticity of host 'localhost (::1)' can't be established.
> RSA key fingerprint is ad:a4:91:bb:9d:a3:2b:90:be:81:fe:5f:9c:7e:17:a7.
> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
> 
> Warning: Permanently added 'localhost' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
> NX> 202 Authenticating user: pdu
> NX> 208 Using auth method: publickey
> NX> 204 Authentication failed.
> 
> 
> now:
> 
>  nxssh -nx 193.49.194.196
> 
> NX> 203 NXSSH running with pid: 11529
> NX> 200 Connected to address: 193.49.194.196 on port: 22
> NX> 202 Authenticating user: pdu
> NX> 208 Using auth method: publickey
> NX> 204 Authentication failed.
> 
> 
> ssh woks fine
> 
> qtnx does not work neither.
> 
> 
> What should I do ?
> 
> 
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Re: vim-common conflicts with vim-minimal

[Max]

On 02/18/2014 12:26 PM, Fulko Hew wrote:

This morning (while yum install (testing my private package))
I'm getting the error:

file /usr/share/man/man1/vim.1.gz of vim-common-2:7.4.189-1.fc20.i686
  conflicts with file from package vim-minimal-2:7.4.027-2.fc20.i686

Yesterday it was fine.

Do you install and uninstall your private package on a daily basis?


Did something break overnight ?

Have you run any updates or made changes to your private package recently?


And, whats a possible workaround?


Don't know much about packaging specifically but I'd guess that both 
packages have a file with the same name. So a file named vim.1.gz 
already exists in that directory.It would probably be better to just 
uninstall vim then install your private package.


If your private package depends on the existing installation then I'd 
try renaming the conflicting file in your package. It appears to be the 
manual page so if there is no difference between the two files you could 
try just removing it from your package. Not sure how that might affect 
your program or the installation process if at all.


I'd stick with removing the existing package then installing your 
private one if possible.


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Re: Help needed with xhost

[Joe Zeff]

On 02/18/2014 12:33 PM, Ambrogio De Lorenzo wrote:

I use my laptop with a user (root in this case, but please don't say
"don't use root").


If you want to run as root, go right ahead and do so.  (I have an old 
laptop that ambles along with Puppy, because that's about all it can 
handle.  Puppy normally has only one user, and that's root, so I'm not 
in a position to tell you that you shouldn't ever run as root.) 
However, when (not if) your system gets trashed because of a typo, or 
because you used a wildcard where you shouldn't,[1] don't expect any 
sympathy from us.


[1]Hint: before using rm with a wildcard, use ls and make sure that 
you're not going to delete anything unexpected.

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Re: [389-users] replication stopped after server restart - problem to reenable

[Jan Kowalsky]

Hi Rich, 
hi Jeroen,

Am Monday, 17. February 2014 schrieb Jan Kowalsky:
> Am Saturday, 15. February 2014 schrieb Rich Megginson:
> > On 02/14/2014 05:20 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen (Kolab Systems) wrote:
> > > On 2014-02-14 23:03, Jan Kowalsky wrote:
> > >> On 2014-02-14 22:15, Rich Megginson wrote:
> > >>> On 02/14/2014 01:57 PM, Jan Kowalsky wrote:

> > Jan, please file a 389 ticket - I doubt we are going to figure this out
> > until someone with some familiarity with the 389 code and gdb can
> > reproduce this issue.

I'm still not shure that I don't do something completely wrong ;-) ...

For excluding that's a kolab-specific problem I reproduced it again on a fresh 
389-ds installation. All ldif commands used for setting up database, suffix and 
replication I added as a attachment to the ticket:

https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/47705

So maybe someone can review it for excluding that there is something 
completely wrong. Since it's working before restarting I assume that it makes 
at least some sense.

Thanks and Regards
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Help needed with xhost

[Ambrogio De Lorenzo]

Hi all,
I use my laptop with a user (root in this case, but please don't say
"don't use root").
Sometimes I use to launch on terminal some commands with other users.
To permit to that commands to display on my screen I used "xhost +".
This worked well on my last laptop with fedra 14.

Now, on Fedora 20, if I use the same sequence, the command are unable to
open the display.

On root console the command xhost has this output
# xhost 
access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
SI:localuser:root

On the other terminal the command (amelu for example) returns
$ amule
Error: Unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly?

I can't understand why but I would like to understand it.

Can someone explain to me this behaviour?

Tnx
 Ambrogio
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Re: How do I -

[Pete Travis]

On Feb 18, 2014 1:15 PM, "Mark Haney"  wrote:
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
>
>
> On 02/18/2014 03:09 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
>
> >
> > Jared is assuming here that you have identically named VGs and LVs.
> > If that is not the case, only his step 5 applies.  This is a
> > logical leap, because you are mostly communicating frustration and
> > simply mounting a filesystem on an LV isn't difficult or
> > fundamentally different from mounting a filesystem on a normal
> > partition - blkid to list filesystems and their device nodes, then
> > fstab or mount manually.
> >
> > If you do have identically named VGs and LVs, did you create them
> > during installation? Was the older installation visible during the
> > process?
> >
>
> It's never that trivial in my experience.  Regardless of if the VGs
> and LVs are named identically or not.  And that's a big part of the
> frustration.  The biggest hurdle I've encountered has been
> incompatible LVM versions between what I'm using to mount with and
> what I'm mounting.  Granted, I've not had to do that sort of thing in
> a couple of years, so maybe it's better now, but prior to 2012 it was
> a nightmare.
> - --
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I can appreciate your concern - I have some horror stories too - but we
have no indication that Bob has those kind of problems, and venting your
frustration does little to address his immediate problem.

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nx on fedora 18

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

On a fedora 18 machine, I installed:
freenx-server-0.7.3-30.fc18.x86_64
nxcl-0.9-15.fc18.x86_64
qtnx-0.9-15.fc18.x86_64
nx-3.5.0-12.fc18.x86_64
freenx-client-0.9-15.fc18.x86_64

I try to run:
 nxssh -nx localhost

and I get:
nxssh -nx localhost
NX> 203 NXSSH running with pid: 11385
NX> 200 Connected to address: ::1 on port: 22
NX> 211 The authenticity of host 'localhost (::1)' can't be established.
RSA key fingerprint is ad:a4:91:bb:9d:a3:2b:90:be:81:fe:5f:9c:7e:17:a7.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes

Warning: Permanently added 'localhost' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
NX> 202 Authenticating user: pdu
NX> 208 Using auth method: publickey
NX> 204 Authentication failed.


now:

 nxssh -nx 193.49.194.196

NX> 203 NXSSH running with pid: 11529
NX> 200 Connected to address: 193.49.194.196 on port: 22
NX> 202 Authenticating user: pdu
NX> 208 Using auth method: publickey
NX> 204 Authentication failed.


ssh woks fine

qtnx does not work neither.


What should I do ?



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Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?

[Chris Murphy]

On Feb 17, 2014, at 8:05 AM, Matthew Miller  wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:52:16PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>> Hallway talk, I'm afraid. However, we talked about actually having a
>>> session (or even a mini-track, if there's a lot of interest) at the next
>>> Flock about the near- and medium-term future of filesystems in Fedora.
>> Is Fedora.next to be biased toward production or testing?
> 
> I think the Fedora Desktop/Server/Cloud products we are talking about are
> more biased towards production than Fedora has sometimes been. I'm not sure
> that answers your question, though.

The question isn't literal. The point being, such a decision doesn't depend 
merely on the technical merits of each fs. There's a certain subjectivity to 
it, and there are other questions that need answering first, that makes it 
easier to make a compatible fs decision.


>> Should the user make that choice, and if so what changes are needed in the
>> installer for them to effectively make that choice? Are the decision
>> makers capable of saying "no" and actually establishing a handful of
>> installed layouts?
> 
> Actually, I'm not sure this is a question. It sounds like a rhetorical
> argument which happens to be in the form of a quetsion. 

There are three interdependent, non-literal, non-rhetorical questions designed 
to reveal an ideological statement. It's not a right or wrong whether users get 
to choose a file system via the easy path. It's an ideological question if the 
easy path is also a recommendation, and if it is then there shouldn't be a file 
system option - merely whether the user wants encryption or /home saved.


>> Right now the installer's auto/guided/easy path permits about 80 testable
>> outcomes. And yet not one of them permits Fedora 20 to be installed along
>> side Fedora 19. And not one permits a prior linux OS to be replaced while
>> keeping /home.
> 
> I agree that the last one seems like an important case which the installer
> could cover better.

If only that is added, and nothing is removed, we now have ~160 testable 
outcomes to the installer in the auto/guided/easy path. And I think 80 outcomes 
is nutty.

So back to the ideological question. If the bias is production, then I'd argue 
the bar needs to be raised with a rule that says anything offered in the 
installer must work. And to do that, necessarily a huge percent of installer 
features would have to be hidden by default (maybe revealed with an advanced 
boot time switch) because presently there's no way to test all outcomes now.


> Separately, if we're really interested in allowing/encouraging parallel
> installs, we probably should figure out how to make OSTree work officially.
> https://lwn.net/Articles/581811/

It'd be a better way, but are enough mirrors really going to sign up for 
hosting full blown expanded OSTree trees, meaning tens of thousands of files, 
rather than RPMs?

In the short term, it's already possible to do parallel Fedora 19 and Fedora 20 
along side each other via custom partitioning without OSTree. The question is 
whether it's sufficiently common and useful for it to be a "recommended" 
outcome that enables easy/guided/auto partitioning to contend with; or should 
the user be compelled to use custom partitioning for such a case.



Chris Murphy

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Re: How do I -

[Mark Haney]

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On 02/18/2014 03:09 PM, Pete Travis wrote:

> 
> Jared is assuming here that you have identically named VGs and LVs.
> If that is not the case, only his step 5 applies.  This is a
> logical leap, because you are mostly communicating frustration and
> simply mounting a filesystem on an LV isn't difficult or
> fundamentally different from mounting a filesystem on a normal
> partition - blkid to list filesystems and their device nodes, then
> fstab or mount manually.
> 
> If you do have identically named VGs and LVs, did you create them
> during installation? Was the older installation visible during the
> process?
> 

It's never that trivial in my experience.  Regardless of if the VGs
and LVs are named identically or not.  And that's a big part of the
frustration.  The biggest hurdle I've encountered has been
incompatible LVM versions between what I'm using to mount with and
what I'm mounting.  Granted, I've not had to do that sort of thing in
a couple of years, so maybe it's better now, but prior to 2012 it was
a nightmare.
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Re: How do I -

[Pete Travis]

On Feb 18, 2014 11:01 AM, "Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA" <
bobgood...@wildblue.net> wrote:
>
> On 18/02/14 12:02, Jared K. Smith wrote:
>>
>> 1) Boot from a LiveCD or LiveUSB with only one hard drive connected.
>> 2) Rename the volume group on that hard drive (using the "vgrename"
command)
>> 3) Plug the second hard drive, and boot into Linux from the hard drive
>> 4) Activate the other LVM ("vgchange -ay" is a quick way to do this)
>> 5) Mount the other LVM partitions as necessary ("mount
/dev/mapper/blah... /mnt/somewhere", changing the paths to match your
situation, or just use Nautilus to handle the mounting)
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> -Jared (also from Virginia)
>
>
>
> And if I had installed with conventional directories I would simply mount
the other hard drive and extract the information I needed.
>
> Yet another example of why I should not be installing with LVM, nothing I
do gains anything from LVM, it is just another layer of unwanted complexity
for this Fedora user.
>
> I am sure your suggestions would help if I was inclined to pursue this.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bob
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA <
bobgood...@wildblue.net > wrote:
>>
>> I have two drives in this computer, sda has Fedora 19 installed on
>> it, sdb has Fedora 20, both the dreaded LVM's!
>>
>> What esoteric string of commands is required to permit access to
>> the Download directory on F-19 from F-20?
>>
>> At this point I am considering re-installing both using a
>> conventional directory system such as I have just installed for
>> Fedora 20 and Centos 6.5 on another computer ...
>>
>> Any suggestions appreciated,
>>
>> Bob
>>
> --

Jared is assuming here that you have identically named VGs and LVs. If that
is not the case, only his step 5 applies.  This is a logical leap, because
you are mostly communicating frustration and simply mounting a filesystem
on an LV isn't difficult or fundamentally different from mounting a
filesystem on a normal partition - blkid to list filesystems and their
device nodes, then fstab or mount manually.

If you do have identically named VGs and LVs, did you create them during
installation? Was the older installation visible during the process?

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Re: How do I -

[Mark Haney]

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On 02/18/2014 02:30 PM, g wrote:
> 
> 
> On 02/18/2014 06:15 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 02/18/2014 10:01 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
> 
>>> Yet another example of why I should not be installing with
>>> LVM, nothing I do gains anything from LVM, it is just another
>>> layer of unwanted complexity for this Fedora user.
>> 
>> I'm sure that there are many good uses for it in a production 
>> environment, but as a home user I've always considered it
>> nothing more than an answer in search of a problem.
> 
> i would say that you are close.
> 
> i call lvm a problem looking for systems to screw up.
> 
> i lost 3 ext4 drives when i attempted to install f18 to the system
> and even tho i selected for it not to, it installed lvm.
> 
> whoever came up with lvm should be castrated, dip in boiling hot
> oil, then put on a 10' rotisserie spit run from mouth to rectum and
> turned slowly until there is nothing left but a crispy ash.
> 
> i do not need software dividing up partitions for me because it
> thinks it knows best.
> 
> i have done very well setting up systems from first days of red hat
> and i have never had a problem of running out of hard drive space.
> 

Amen, brother. I posted a few days ago the futility I have with
recovering LVM volumes.  I don't really even see the need for it in
production systems, at least for non-RAID volumes (preferably RAID5 or
better).  I have a couple dozen CentOS VMs that were installed with
LVM and it drives me batsh*t crazy because I can't find any
nagios/Icinga plugin that monitors the drives if they are LVMs.  I
know, it sounds kinda winy, but it's true. I want to know what my
drives are doing.  But with LVM it's virtually impossible.

(It's so bad, I'm migrating my entire production server farm VMs to
EXT4 (maybe BTRFS) since they are sitting on two massive RAID5 SANs
and the LVMS just make it impossible to manage if something craps out
on boot.


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Re: How do I -

[g]

On 02/18/2014 06:15 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 02/18/2014 10:01 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:



Yet another example of why I should not be installing with LVM,
nothing I do gains anything from LVM, it is just another layer of
unwanted complexity for this Fedora user.


I'm sure that there are many good uses for it in a production
environment, but as a home user I've always considered it nothing
more than an answer in search of a problem.


i would say that you are close.

i call lvm a problem looking for systems to screw up.

i lost 3 ext4 drives when i attempted to install f18 to the
system and even tho i selected for it not to, it installed lvm.

whoever came up with lvm should be castrated, dip in boiling
hot oil, then put on a 10' rotisserie spit run from mouth to
rectum and turned slowly until there is nothing left but a
crispy ash.

i do not need software dividing up partitions for me because
it thinks it knows best.

i have done very well setting up systems from first days of
red hat and i have never had a problem of running out of
hard drive space.

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/img/snapshot.cgi

[Gary Artim]

Anyone seen in their logwatch output:

A total of 1 possible successful probes were detected (the following URLs
 contain strings that match one or more of a listing of strings that
 indicate a possible exploit):


/img/snapshot.cgi?\x88\x9b
HTTP Response 301

I have no snapshot.cgi code, but sounds like a redirect (301)...any
ideas out there? thanks much!
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Re: How do I -

[Joe Zeff]

On 02/18/2014 10:01 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:

Yet another example of why I should not be installing with LVM, nothing
I do gains anything from LVM, it is just another layer of unwanted
complexity for this Fedora user.


I'm sure that there are many good uses for it in a production 
environment, but as a home user I've always considered it nothing more 
than an answer in search of a problem.

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Re: error open ports

[Rick Stevens]

On 02/18/2014 09:25 AM, William Biggs issued this missive:

I install chrip for my ham radio but every tip . I try to read the radio
I get this error on all ports . How do I set the Permission for the
software for the user I'm using ?
could not open port /dev/ttyUSB0: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/dev/ttyUSB0


/dev/ttyUSB* and /dev/ttyS* are owned by root:dialout and have 0660
permissions. You probably need to add the user that your ham radio
program runs as to the "dialout" group.

You could also change permissions on /dev/ttyUSB0 to 0666:

sudo chmod 666 /dev/ttyUSB0

then run the program.
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Re: How do I -

[Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 18/02/14 12:02, Jared K. Smith wrote:

1) Boot from a LiveCD or LiveUSB with only one hard drive connected.
2) Rename the volume group on that hard drive (using the "vgrename" 
command)

3) Plug the second hard drive, and boot into Linux from the hard drive
4) Activate the other LVM ("vgchange -ay" is a quick way to do this)
5) Mount the other LVM partitions as necessary ("mount 
/dev/mapper/blah... /mnt/somewhere", changing the paths to match your 
situation, or just use Nautilus to handle the mounting)


Hope that helps.

-Jared (also from Virginia)



And if I had installed with conventional directories I would simply 
mount the other hard drive and extract the information I needed.


Yet another example of why I should not be installing with LVM, nothing 
I do gains anything from LVM, it is just another layer of unwanted 
complexity for this Fedora user.


I am sure your suggestions would help if I was inclined to pursue this.

Thank you,

Bob



On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA 
mailto:bobgood...@wildblue.net>> wrote:


I have two drives in this computer, sda has Fedora 19 installed on
it, sdb has Fedora 20, both the dreaded LVM's!

What esoteric string of commands is required to permit access to
the Download directory on F-19 from F-20?

At this point I am considering re-installing both using a
conventional directory system such as I have just installed for
Fedora 20 and Centos 6.5 on another computer ...

Any suggestions appreciated,

Bob


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vim-common conflicts with vim-minimal

[Fulko Hew]

This morning (while yum install (testing my private package))
I'm getting the error:

file /usr/share/man/man1/vim.1.gz of vim-common-2:7.4.189-1.fc20.i686
  conflicts with file from package vim-minimal-2:7.4.027-2.fc20.i686

Yesterday it was fine.
Did something break overnight ?
And, whats a possible workaround?

TIA
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error open ports

[William Biggs]

I install chrip for my ham radio but every tip . I try to read the radio
I get this error on all ports . How do I set the Permission for the
software for the user I'm using ?
could not open port /dev/ttyUSB0: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/dev/ttyUSB0

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Re: How do I -

[Jared K. Smith]

1) Boot from a LiveCD or LiveUSB with only one hard drive connected.
2) Rename the volume group on that hard drive (using the "vgrename" command)
3) Plug the second hard drive, and boot into Linux from the hard drive
4) Activate the other LVM ("vgchange -ay" is a quick way to do this)
5) Mount the other LVM partitions as necessary ("mount /dev/mapper/blah...
/mnt/somewhere", changing the paths to match your situation, or just use
Nautilus to handle the mounting)

Hope that helps.

-Jared (also from Virginia)


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA <
bobgood...@wildblue.net> wrote:

> I have two drives in this computer, sda has Fedora 19 installed on it, sdb
> has Fedora 10, both the dreaded LVM's!
>
> What esoteric string of commands is required to permit access to the
> Download directory on F-19 from F-20?
>
> At this point I am considering re-installing both using a conventional
> directory system such as I have just installed for Fedora 20 and Centos 6.5
> on another computer ...
>
> Any suggestions appreciated,
>
> Bob
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Re: How do I - correction F-20 -

[Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 18/02/14 11:30, Frank Murphy wrote:

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:14 -0500
"Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA"  wrote:


Yes, I am convinced the best way is to re-install both 19 and 20 with
conventional directories.

Thank you for your response,

Bob


That's probably the best option,
you could also install another h\d
and /etc/fstab mount it on both systems.
So whichever you are on it is available.

/dev/sdX /media/downloads ?

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Yes, better yet I think I'll install another drive and put a new copy of 
F-20 on it first before doing anything else.


I like the present arrangement, I boot the computer and poke F9 as soon 
as it starts which gives me a menu allowing the selection of the 
drive/system I want, usually F-20. But it would be convenient if I could 
mount one of the other drives when needed and extract information, which 
is what I wanted to do this morning but gave up when faced with the LVM 
challenge!


I need another project to mess with and it looks like I found it.

Thanks Frank,

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Re: How do I - correction F-20 -

[Frank Murphy]

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:14 -0500
"Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA"  wrote:

> Yes, I am convinced the best way is to re-install both 19 and 20 with
> conventional directories.
> 
> Thank you for your response,
> 
> Bob
> 

That's probably the best option,
you could also install another h\d
and /etc/fstab mount it on both systems.
So whichever you are on it is available.

/dev/sdX /media/downloads ?

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Re: How do I - correction F-20 -

[Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 18/02/14 10:43, Jorge Fábregas wrote:

On 02/18/2014 11:31 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:

> I have two drives in this computer, sda has Fedora 19 installed on it,
> sdb has Fedora 20, both the dreaded LVM's!

Try:

# vgscan
# vgchange -a y

Then you can mount the logical volume found somewhere in /dev/* like this:

mount /dev/vg_whatever/lv_whatever /mnt/

Try the vgs & lvs commands to list the volumes so you can properly mount
them.

HTH,
Jorge



Yes, I am convinced the best way is to re-install both 19 and 20 with 
conventional directories.


Thank you for your response,

Bob

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Re: How do I - correction F-20 -

[Jorge Fábregas]

On 02/18/2014 11:31 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
> I have two drives in this computer, sda has Fedora 19 installed on it, 
> sdb has Fedora 20, both the dreaded LVM's!

Try:

# vgscan
# vgchange -a y

Then you can mount the logical volume found somewhere in /dev/* like this:

mount /dev/vg_whatever/lv_whatever /mnt/

Try the vgs & lvs commands to list the volumes so you can properly mount
them.

HTH,
Jorge
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Re: Using LightScribe on Linux???

[Frank Murphy]

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:04:38 -0500
Temlakos  wrote:

> Return to Eden (six-hour mini-series). With Rebecca Gilling and James 
> Reyne; Hanna Barbera Australia, 1985 (or so)

it's available at amazon.co.uk:
So possibly on Amazon where you live?
http://tinyurl.com/nbvk23z

# LoveFilm is UK address only so don't click on that.


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How do I - correction F-20 -

[Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA]

I have two drives in this computer, sda has Fedora 19 installed on it, 
sdb has Fedora 20, both the dreaded LVM's!


What esoteric string of commands is required to permit access to the 
Download directory on F-19 from F-20?


At this point I am considering re-installing both using a conventional 
directory system such as I have just installed for Fedora 20 and Centos 
6.5 on another computer ...


Any suggestions appreciated,

Bob

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Re: Using LightScribe on Linux???

[Temlakos]

On 02/18/2014 09:59 AM, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 18 February 2014, Temlakos sent:

Where are you writing from? From the spelling you used (the extra "u"
in the "or" words, "s" for "z," et cetera), I gather you write from
the UK.

No, from down under in oz trail ya...  ;-)

Oh! G'day, mate!

I've never traveled there. So I don't know anything about the customs in 
Australia as regards keeping a library of video content.


Actually, there's one bit of content I've scoured the Internet for, 
without success:


Return to Eden (six-hour mini-series). With Rebecca Gilling and James 
Reyne; Hanna Barbera Australia, 1985 (or so)


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How do I -

[Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA]

I have two drives in this computer, sda has Fedora 19 installed on it, 
sdb has Fedora 10, both the dreaded LVM's!


What esoteric string of commands is required to permit access to the 
Download directory on F-19 from F-20?


At this point I am considering re-installing both using a conventional 
directory system such as I have just installed for Fedora 20 and Centos 
6.5 on another computer ...


Any suggestions appreciated,

Bob

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Re: Using LightScribe on Linux???

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 18 February 2014, Temlakos sent:
> Where are you writing from? From the spelling you used (the extra "u"
> in the "or" words, "s" for "z," et cetera), I gather you write from
> the UK. 

No, from down under in oz trail ya...  ;-)
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Re: Using LightScribe on Linux???

[Temlakos]

On 02/17/2014 10:00 AM, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 17 February 2014, Tom Horsley sent:

I checked every model HP was selling, and they removed CD/DVD printing
from all their new printers, so I abandoned HP.

Just recently, I went looking for a printer that could print on discs,
more out of curiosity than anything else, and there's none to be found
in any of the local shops.

I think that, not only has the concept of printing on discs fallen out
of favour, but the idea of burning things to disc, too.  Blank discs, of
any sort, are getting harder to buy, never mind printable ones.  Fewer
shops stock them, and with fewer options (less brands, less different
types of discs).  And thanks to changes in media distribution (rental
shops dying off, viewing things on-line going up, people exchanging
their "recorded" videos on memory devices instead of DVDs, etc.), I
think the mass video piracy that pushed the high volume of blank discs
sales, has diminished.

I work in legitimate video production, anything from filming sporting
matches to stage plays, etc.  I have a good reason to buy discs in bulk.
Likewise for businesses that do organised back-ups.  But I can't really
see much need for the average consumer to have to buy 100 blank discs
regularly.

It's getting to the point where I'm going to need to special order
discs, because the shops don't have them, or really crap ones.  I did
have to go out of my way to buy boxes for the discs.  That's another
thing that I don't get - shops selling 100 disc tubs of blanks, but no
disc boxes or sleeves to put them in.  It doesn't make sense.



Where are you writing from? From the spelling you used (the extra "u" in 
the "or" words, "s" for "z," et cetera), I gather you write from the UK.


Here on this side of the pond, you can still buy blank media, and in bulk.

I grant you this much: the idea of having all your favorite (favourite?) 
recordings on-line, and not stored in your own library, is catching on. 
But how large a library can you reasonably afford to maintain that way? 
A one-terabyte DVR extender (the maximum that my "cable" provider 
supports) will comfortably store, by my estimate, 120 hours of 
"high-definition" programming (that is, 1920 x 1080 resolution on a 16:9 
screen). Now you can probably store, on average, sixty titles on such an 
extender. Add this to the half-terabyte internal storage available on 
Motorola's top-of-the-line DVR, and now you have, perhaps, ninety titles.


But as it happens, I have, by my estimate, a thousand titles on various 
optical media (BD and DVD). I can swap those easily into my desktop, or 
take any of them on the road. A DVD will even serve as good on-the-trip 
entertainment on a chartered bus (omnibus?)--and as it happens, I often 
find myself elected to provide tour guidance and on-board entertainment 
on a forty-eight-passenger bus making a trip to a political rally. And I 
have not yet found a bus charter service that provides WiFi-capable 
smart media players that can simply dial into an account on Netflix, for 
example, and stream out a film. I have to carry my content with me. (And 
if you doubt the need for that, let me remind you: even a group of 
adults can get the Are We There Yet Blues. Now try to keep a busload of 
adolescents entertained without on-board video content!)


There is more. Many operators of CATV channels still "pan and scan" 
their titles to the prevailing aspect ratio of whatever definition 
("standard", i.e., low definition, or the new high definition) their 
channel is rated for. Professional film directors are not the only ones 
who resent the "pan and scan" method and insist on letterbox to preserve 
the aspect ratio at which *they* shot the film. Until the Alliance of 
Motion Picture and Television Producers, and the Directors' Guild of 
America, manage to pass a law mandating letterbox for every title shown 
on television, this debate will continue. (I don't care what anybody 
says: even at the new 16:9 or 1.77:1 aspect ratio in use on HD channels, 
you still miss something when you crop the sides of a film shot in 2.3:1 
aspect to fit the 16:9 screen.). I know: sign up for Netflix and get the 
video stream. Fine, if you're not on the road. (See above.)


Again, I'll grant you: the modern Internet makes available certain 
dedicated appliances that can even capture a video stream and play it on 
a telly that does not happen to double as a computer monitor. But some 
of us still prefer to build our own libraries of motion picture titles 
that might show once in a proverbial blue moon, and never show again for 
a year or more, and are not available for repeat viewing, and even if 
they are, you have to pay $4 US for twenty-four or forty-eight hours of 
viewing. Now *that* gets expensive. And you simply can't store enough 
titles on a typical DVR--not at high definition, you can't. (Standard 
definition is a different story, but I suspect that will become obsolete 
within a year or s

Re: Using LightScribe on Linux???

[Fred Smith]

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:16:22AM -0500, Fred Smith wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 10:12:36PM -0500, Doug wrote:
> > On 02/16/2014 09:35 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
> > >I've got a project in which I'll be making many dozens of DVDs from
> > >other media, and I thought it'd be really cool to use LightScribe to
> > >label the discs.
> > >
> > >well, I come to discover that LightScribe seems to have gone out of
> > >fashion, and I can't find suitable software anywhere.
> > >
> > >LaCie used to distribute software for Linux that reportedly worked
> > >well, but I can't find it either,... it has disappeared from their
> > >web site.
> > >
> > >Can anyone point me to a site that may still have it? (or other
> > >suitable substitute).

Thanks to all who replied to my query! I've found the various tools
mentioned by several responders, and hope to be able to verify that
they work in the next day or two. If they appear to be usable (on 
Fedora 20) I'll be buying a clump of lightscribe media for this task.

thanks again to all of you!

Fred

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Re: Focus-follows-mouse in KDE under FC19?

[John Horne]

On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 12:24 -0500, William W. Austin wrote:
>
> Is there anyway to turn this back on in FC 19 (or 20) for KDE?  
> Otherwise I'm going to have downgrade her machine back to FC 17 just to 
> keep peace at home.
> 
Using F20, go to 'System settings' -> 'Window Behaviour' -> 'Window
Behaviour'
There is a 'Focus' slider. Click near to the 'Hover' end and you will
see the mouse focus capability change. Near the middle gives the focus
follows mouse behaviour.




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