Re: [389-users] Sync from RDBMS to LDAP

2014-04-29 Thread Paul Robert Marino
Sorry that kind of thing is always a custom scripting job.-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Apr 28, 2014 13:27, Fong, Trevor trevor.f...@ubc.ca wrote: 

*Bump*

Surely we cant be the only ones who want to this?

Trev



From: Fong,
 Trevor 
Sent: April-22-14 3:33 PM
To: '389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org'
Subject: Sync from RDBMS to LDAP



Hi Everyone,

We are in the process of migrating from an old OpenLDAP service to 389-DS.
We currently synchronise users and attributes from an Oracle DB to OpenLDAP service using an aging set of custom scripts and DB triggers.
We would like to do something similar for 389-DS but using a commercial-off-the-shelf solution.

I was wondering what the good people on this list use or would recommend?

Thanks in advance,
Trev

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Re: [389-users] Sync from RDBMS to LDAP

2014-04-29 Thread Clowser, Jeff
If you want a commercial solution, take a look at the Unbound ID 
Synchronization server.  Depending on how complex your needs are, that may work.


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[mailto:389-users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Paul Robert 
Marino
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:55 AM
To: General discussion list for the 389 Directory server project.
Subject: Re: [389-users] Sync from RDBMS to LDAP

Sorry that kind of thing is always a custom scripting job.



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On Apr 28, 2014 13:27, Fong, Trevor trevor.f...@ubc.ca wrote:

*Bump*
Surely we can't be the only ones who want to this?
Trev
From: Fong, Trevor
Sent: April-22-14 3:33 PM
To: '389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org'
Subject: Sync from RDBMS to LDAP
Hi Everyone,
We are in the process of migrating from an old OpenLDAP service to 389-DS.
We currently synchronise users and attributes from an Oracle DB to OpenLDAP 
service using an aging set of custom scripts and DB triggers.
We would like to do something similar for 389-DS but using a 
commercial-off-the-shelf solution.
I was wondering what the good people on this list use or would recommend?
Thanks in advance,
Trev
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Identity and Access Management Group
University of British Columbia - Information Technology
6356 Agricultural Road, Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z2, Canada
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Re: [389-users] Sync from RDBMS to LDAP

2014-04-29 Thread Fong, Trevor
Thanks a lot for the lead, Jeff - I'll check it out.
For the thread - there's also Ldap Sync Connector from lsc-project.org, which 
is open source, but commercial support is preferred.

Other suggestions welcome!
Trev

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[mailto:389-users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Clowser, Jeff
Sent: April-29-14 7:02 AM
To: 'General discussion list for the 389 Directory server project.'
Subject: Re: [389-users] Sync from RDBMS to LDAP

If you want a commercial solution, take a look at the Unbound ID 
Synchronization server.  Depending on how complex your needs are, that may work.


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From: 
389-users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.orgmailto:389-users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org
 [mailto:389-users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Paul Robert 
Marino
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:55 AM
To: General discussion list for the 389 Directory server project.
Subject: Re: [389-users] Sync from RDBMS to LDAP
Sorry that kind of thing is always a custom scripting job.




-- Sent from my HP Pre3



On Apr 28, 2014 13:27, Fong, Trevor 
trevor.f...@ubc.camailto:trevor.f...@ubc.ca wrote:
*Bump*

Surely we can't be the only ones who want to this?

Trev

From: Fong, Trevor
Sent: April-22-14 3:33 PM
To: '389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org'
Subject: Sync from RDBMS to LDAP

Hi Everyone,

We are in the process of migrating from an old OpenLDAP service to 389-DS.
We currently synchronise users and attributes from an Oracle DB to OpenLDAP 
service using an aging set of custom scripts and DB triggers.
We would like to do something similar for 389-DS but using a 
commercial-off-the-shelf solution.
I was wondering what the good people on this list use or would recommend?

Thanks in advance,
Trev

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Identity and Access Management Group
University of British Columbia - Information Technology
6356 Agricultural Road, Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z2, Canada
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Re: Small Home server - HDD/SDD

2014-04-29 Thread Mark Haney
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On 04/28/14 14:11, Javier Perez wrote:
 Putting your OS onto a 10 GB partition on that drive will take up
 about
 0.5% of its capacity.  It will also be much safer than having it
 on an external drive, especially if it's a flash drive.
 
 I know, but I wanted the famous speed a SSD/flash system is
 supposed to give for the OS. Specially given that it is an old
 system.
 
 

My $0.02.  IIRC, I don't think ZFS is supported (or fully supported at
any rate) in linux.  I just did some research into that and couldn't
find anything recent about ZFS support for newer kernels. Granted, I
could have just missed it. If you want to use ZFS on that box for data
storage, look at FreeNAS.  It's fantastic.  Of course, it would render
that box unusable as a desktop for the most part, but there are
various Linux distros that can be run in 'jails' on it that may or may
not work for your needs.

Second, I wouldn't use a flash drive as your OS drive for a couple of
reasons.  We've used flash drives as test devices for some ARM boards
and the stability wasn't what you would expect.  Especially if there
is 'normal' OS activity.  We ended up having to move nearly all the
log files off the flash drive onto secondary storage to keep the drive
stable.  If you're worried about running out of SATA ports and have a
spare PCI/PCIe slot, just add a SATA board.  I had to do that with my
server at home.  It makes more sense to have the OS on small partition
either on a mirrored small pair of SATA SSDs rather than a single
flash drive.
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Re: Brother DCP7065dn laser printer on Fedora 20 [was Re: All-in-one laser printer recommendation]

2014-04-29 Thread Fred Smith
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 08:06:57PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
 | From: Lee ny6...@gmail.com
 
 | Just wondering, do all Brother printers ship with Linux drivers?
 
 No.  Many don't need proprietary drivers.  Some have proprietary
 drivers.  I would guess some don't have Linux drivers at all.
 
 As usual, one good resource is
 https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/DatabaseIntro
 
 The other is Brother's site.  For example, here's the driver page for
 the DCP7065dn
 http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadtop.aspx?c=calang=enprod=dcp7065dn_all
 Notice that it mentions Linux as a choice.

As I may have said earlier (I forget which thread it was, maybe not this one),
we have a DCP7065 at home and it works fine for me on multiple Fedora and
Centos versions using Brother's driver. So far I haven't found a driver that
ships with Fedora/Centos that works on this device. (OTOH, my older
HL-2070N works fine with the generic drivers that come with Linux, so
I've never even attempted Brothers' drivers for that one.)

But, in another thread a few weeks (month or two, perhaps) ago someone
pointed out a script available from Brother that asks you about the
device models, addresses, etc. then downloads and installs the driver files
for you, including any little tweaks that are needed. 

You can get it from this URL:

http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadend.aspx?c=us_otlang=enprod=dcp7065dn_allos=127dlid=dlf006893_000flang=4type3=625

I've used it for the 7065 on at leasat two of my systems and it makes
a tedious job into a trivial job.

Fred

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Re: How does the Host command query DNS?

2014-04-29 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote:

 Is there a command line that will 'just use' getaddrinfo taking a fqdn as
 input and return the results?  My attempt to find such has come up empty; my
 search foo is typically weak...

You can get getaddrinfo.c from the page below (it's neither my site
nor do I know the dude; and I haven't looked at the code or compiled
it)

http://www.logix.cz/michal/devel/various/
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relabel

2014-04-29 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello,

I guess that I can force the relabel of a disk or partition at boot
by using grub2, but I cannnot rememeber how to do it!!

Thank for your help.

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Re: relabel

2014-04-29 Thread Dan Thurman

On 04/29/2014 11:46 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

Hello,

I guess that I can force the relabel of a disk or partition at boot
by using grub2, but I cannnot rememeber how to do it!!

Thank for your help.

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  Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale   | |
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touch /.autorelabel
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Sound not working on 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels for Fedora 20

2014-04-29 Thread dwoody1

I installed F20 shortly after it's release. Everything worked as expected.
All kernels released since then have resulted in the sound not working.

The kernel that works is 3.11.10-301.fc20.i686+PAE. Sound does not work 
for the 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels.


I have searched for a solution for this and found several 
recommendations but none worked for me.


I have compared a listing of the modules (lsmod) from the working kernel 
and non-working kennel and both lists have the same sound modules loaded 
(there is a size difference in some of the modules, but I expected that).


I have compared the output from amixer for both working and non-working 
kernels and they are exactly the same.


The sound related packages that are installed are:

pulseaudio-libs-glib2-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.i686
alsa-tools-firmware-1.0.27-3.fc20.i686
alsa-utils-1.0.27.2-4.fc20.i686
alsamixergui-0.9.0-0.16.rc2.fc20.i686
alsa-lib-1.0.27.2-2.fc20.i686
pulseaudio-libs-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.i686
alsa-firmware-1.0.27-2.fc20.noarch

I am not very knowledgeable about sound. I am sure I need to check other 
configuration settings but I do not know which files are relevant.


Any help will be appreciated,

David



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Re: relabel

2014-04-29 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Patrick Dupre pdu...@gmx.com wrote:

 Hello,

 I guess that I can force the relabel of a disk or partition at boot
 by using grub2, but I cannnot rememeber how to do it!!


You can use Dan's method or this link has a grub option:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh/HowTo/SELinux_Boot_Params

Richard
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Re: relabel

2014-04-29 Thread Patrick Dupre
Thank,

I know, but I guess that there is an option from grub2
by setting something!!


 On 04/29/2014 11:46 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
  Hello,
 
  I guess that I can force the relabel of a disk or partition at boot
  by using grub2, but I cannnot rememeber how to do it!!
 
  Thank for your help.
 
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Re: relabel

2014-04-29 Thread Dan Thurman

On 04/29/2014 11:58 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

Thank,

I know, but I guess that there is an option from grub2
by setting something!!



On 04/29/2014 11:46 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

Hello,

I guess that I can force the relabel of a disk or partition at boot
by using grub2, but I cannnot rememeber how to do it!!

Thank for your help.

===
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Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | |
Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | |
Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44
189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France
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You are top-posting!

From Richard Shaw's reply  link:

Grub2: autorelabel=1 in kernel line

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Re: Sound not working on 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels for Fedora 20

2014-04-29 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 04/29/2014 02:49 PM, dwoody1 wrote:
 I installed F20 shortly after it's release. Everything worked as
 expected.
 All kernels released since then have resulted in the sound not working.

 The kernel that works is 3.11.10-301.fc20.i686+PAE. Sound does not
 work for the 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels.

 I have searched for a solution for this and found several
 recommendations but none worked for me.

 I have compared a listing of the modules (lsmod) from the working
 kernel and non-working kennel and both lists have the same sound
 modules loaded (there is a size difference in some of the modules, but
 I expected that).

 I have compared the output from amixer for both working and
 non-working kernels and they are exactly the same.

 The sound related packages that are installed are:

 pulseaudio-libs-glib2-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.i686
 alsa-tools-firmware-1.0.27-3.fc20.i686
 alsa-utils-1.0.27.2-4.fc20.i686
 alsamixergui-0.9.0-0.16.rc2.fc20.i686
 alsa-lib-1.0.27.2-2.fc20.i686
 pulseaudio-libs-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.i686
 alsa-firmware-1.0.27-2.fc20.noarch

 I am not very knowledgeable about sound. I am sure I need to check
 other configuration settings but I do not know which files are relevant.
  


you don't show the standard pulseaudio package??
pulseaudio-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64

do you use the pulseaudio Volume control in Sound  Audio?

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Re: Sound not working on 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels for Fedora 20

2014-04-29 Thread dwoody1

On 04/29/2014 02:09 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On 04/29/2014 02:49 PM, dwoody1 wrote:

I installed F20 shortly after it's release. Everything worked as
expected.
All kernels released since then have resulted in the sound not working.

The kernel that works is 3.11.10-301.fc20.i686+PAE. Sound does not
work for the 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels.

I have searched for a solution for this and found several
recommendations but none worked for me.

I have compared a listing of the modules (lsmod) from the working
kernel and non-working kennel and both lists have the same sound
modules loaded (there is a size difference in some of the modules, but
I expected that).

I have compared the output from amixer for both working and
non-working kernels and they are exactly the same.

The sound related packages that are installed are:

pulseaudio-libs-glib2-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.i686
alsa-tools-firmware-1.0.27-3.fc20.i686
alsa-utils-1.0.27.2-4.fc20.i686
alsamixergui-0.9.0-0.16.rc2.fc20.i686
alsa-lib-1.0.27.2-2.fc20.i686
pulseaudio-libs-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.i686
alsa-firmware-1.0.27-2.fc20.noarch

I am not very knowledgeable about sound. I am sure I need to check
other configuration settings but I do not know which files are relevant.
  




you don't show the standard pulseaudio package??
pulseaudio-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64

do you use the pulseaudio Volume control in Sound  Audio?

I have Mythtv installed as well. When I first installed Mythtv many 
years ago they recommended not using pulseaudio just alsa.


David
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Re: Sound not working on 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels for Fedora 20

2014-04-29 Thread poma
On 29.04.2014 20:49, dwoody1 wrote:
 I installed F20 shortly after it's release. Everything worked as expected.
 All kernels released since then have resulted in the sound not working.
 
 The kernel that works is 3.11.10-301.fc20.i686+PAE. Sound does not work 
 for the 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels.

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/bugs/kernel
Where is your bug report?

kernel-PAE-3.14.2-200.fc20.i686?
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=513888


poma


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Fedora 20 no /var/log/messages file

2014-04-29 Thread Chris Kottaridis
I am migrating from a Fedora 19 to a Fedora 20 host. I used the Fedora 
20 live disk to install on the new machine. I have most things 
transferred over and working, but curiously I don't have any messages or 
mail log files in /var/log as I do in the F19 host:


# ls /var/log
anaconda  dnf.rpm.log  mail   speech-dispatcher   Xorg.0.log
audit gdm  ntpstats   sssd Xorg.0.log.old
boot.log  glusterfspluto  tallylogXorg.1.log
btmp  grubby   pppvmware-installeryum.log
chronyhttpdREADME vnetlib
cups  journal  samba  wpa_supplicant.log
dnf.log   lastlog  sa-update.log  wtmp

compared to the F19 /var/log:

# ls /var/log
amanda   gdmmessages-20140420  spooler
anaconda glusterfs  messages-20140427 spooler-20140406
auditgrubby ntpstats spooler-20140413
boot.log httpd  pluto spooler-20140420
btmp journalpm-powersave.log spooler-20140427
btmp-20140402lastlogpppsssd
chrony   libvirtprelinktallylog
cluster  mail   samba  vbox
cron maillogsa-update.log vmware-installer
cron-20140406maillog-20140406   secure vnetlib
cron-20140413maillog-20140413   secure-20140406wtmp
cron-20140420maillog-20140420   secure-20140413 Xorg.0.log
cron-20140427maillog-20140427   secure-20140420 Xorg.0.log.old
cups messages   secure-20140427yum.log
dracut.log   messages-20140406  speech-dispatcher yum.log-20140217
dracut.log-20130822  messages-20140413  spice-vdagent.log

Notice no messages or maillog and some others that actually contain the 
log messages in F20 that do exist in F19.


What am I missing on the F20 machine ?

Thanks
Chris Kottaridis
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Re: Fedora 20 no /var/log/messages file

2014-04-29 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak

On 04/29/2014 03:59 PM, Chris Kottaridis wrote:

I am migrating from a Fedora 19 to a Fedora 20 host. I used the Fedora
20 live disk to install on the new machine. I have most things
transferred over and working, but curiously I don't have any messages or
mail log files in /var/log as I do in the F19 host:


What does systemctl status syslog say?

If you want syslog, you need to enable it.

Otherwise, the new way is to use the journalctl command.


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Re: Fedora 20 no /var/log/messages file

2014-04-29 Thread Chris Kottaridis
Actually rsyslog is what I needed. Enabled and started it and rebooted 
and now I see messages and mailog.


I don't remember having to do that in F19, but maybe I made slightly 
different installation choices.


Thanks
Chris Kottaridis
On 04/29/2014 03:12 PM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:

On 04/29/2014 03:59 PM, Chris Kottaridis wrote:

I am migrating from a Fedora 19 to a Fedora 20 host. I used the Fedora
20 live disk to install on the new machine. I have most things
transferred over and working, but curiously I don't have any messages or
mail log files in /var/log as I do in the F19 host:


What does systemctl status syslog say?

If you want syslog, you need to enable it.

Otherwise, the new way is to use the journalctl command.


- Mike


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Re: Brother DCP7065dn laser printer on Fedora 20 [was Re: All-in-one laser printer recommendation]

2014-04-29 Thread Lee
Just wondering, what is the interface you use to install the drivers,
whether they're from Brother or the operating system? CUPS?
On Apr 29, 2014 6:01 AM, Fred Smith fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 08:06:57PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
  | From: Lee ny6...@gmail.com
 
  | Just wondering, do all Brother printers ship with Linux drivers?
 
  No.  Many don't need proprietary drivers.  Some have proprietary
  drivers.  I would guess some don't have Linux drivers at all.
 
  As usual, one good resource is
  https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/DatabaseIntro
 
 
  The other is Brother's site.  For example, here's the driver page for
  the DCP7065dn
  
 http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadtop.aspx?c=calang=enprod=dcp7065dn_all
 
  Notice that it mentions Linux as a choice.

 As I may have said earlier (I forget which thread it was, maybe not this
 one),
 we have a DCP7065 at home and it works fine for me on multiple Fedora and
 Centos versions using Brother's driver. So far I haven't found a driver
 that
 ships with Fedora/Centos that works on this device. (OTOH, my older
 HL-2070N works fine with the generic drivers that come with Linux, so
 I've never even attempted Brothers' drivers for that one.)

 But, in another thread a few weeks (month or two, perhaps) ago someone
 pointed out a script available from Brother that asks you about the
 device models, addresses, etc. then downloads and installs the driver files
 for you, including any little tweaks that are needed.

 You can get it from this URL:


 http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadend.aspx?c=us_otlang=enprod=dcp7065dn_allos=127dlid=dlf006893_000flang=4type3=625

 I've used it for the 7065 on at leasat two of my systems and it makes
 a tedious job into a trivial job.

 Fred

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Re: Sound not working on 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels for Fedora 20

2014-04-29 Thread dwoody1

On 04/29/2014 02:46 PM, poma wrote:

On 29.04.2014 20:49, dwoody1 wrote:

I installed F20 shortly after it's release. Everything worked as expected.
All kernels released since then have resulted in the sound not working.

The kernel that works is 3.11.10-301.fc20.i686+PAE. Sound does not work
for the 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels.

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/bugs/kernel
Where is your bug report?
I am not certain that it is a bug. It could still be a configuration 
error. It does not seem that any one else is having this problem and 
that indicates to me that it is my problem in all likelihood.



kernel-PAE-3.14.2-200.fc20.i686?
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=513888


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Re: Developing for Android with Qt

2014-04-29 Thread Isaac Cortés González
Done, done and done.
El abr 28, 2014 3:35 AM, Martin Bříza mbr...@redhat.com escribió:

 On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 00:40:47 +0200, Isaac Cortés González 
 w.isaac.cor...@gmail.com wrote:

  Ok thanks; but what I need to know is if with just the packages in the
 repos I can roll, or I'll definitely need to download the installer from
 their website?


 -Isaac C.


 2014-04-24 2:03 GMT-06:00 Martin Bříza mbr...@redhat.com:

  On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 23:41:22 +0200, Isaac Cortés González 
 w.isaac.cor...@gmail.com wrote:

  is there any package that I'd need to develop for android in Qt 5? or I

 just use Qt Creator as it is in the repos?

 I know I'll need the sdk and ndk.

 -Isaac C.


 Haven't used it personally but the guides on the Qt project website[1]
 are
 pretty helpful. There's a list of requirements in the Getting Started
 section.

 [1] http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/android-support.html
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Re: Small Home server - HDD/SDD

2014-04-29 Thread Edward M

On 4/29/2014 5:30 AM, Mark Haney wrote:

My $0.02.  IIRC, I don't think ZFS is supported (or fully supported at
any rate) in linux.  I just did some research into that and couldn't
find anything recent about ZFS support for newer kernels. Granted, I
could have just missed it. If you want to use ZFS on that box for data
storage, look at FreeNAS.  It's fantastic.  Of course, it would render
that box unusable as a desktop for the most part, but there are
various Linux distros that can be run in 'jails' on it that may or may
not work for your needs.

   Hello,
   Because of license incompatibility zfs can not be distributed  
with the linux kernel.
   However  a work around as been found by providing zfs as a 
kernel module,etc and
   ZFS for linux is ready for wide spectrum deployment; from 
desktop to supercomputers.




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Re: Sound not working on 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels for Fedora 20

2014-04-29 Thread Mark C. Allman
On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 16:51 -0500, dwoody1 wrote:
 On 04/29/2014 02:46 PM, poma wrote:
  On 29.04.2014 20:49, dwoody1 wrote:
  I installed F20 shortly after it's release. Everything worked as expected.
  All kernels released since then have resulted in the sound not working.
 
  The kernel that works is 3.11.10-301.fc20.i686+PAE. Sound does not work
  for the 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels.
  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/bugs/kernel
  Where is your bug report?
 I am not certain that it is a bug. It could still be a configuration 
 error. It does not seem that any one else is having this problem and 
 that indicates to me that it is my problem in all likelihood.
 
  kernel-PAE-3.14.2-200.fc20.i686?
  http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=513888
 
 
  poma
 
 
 

My sound isn't working either.  I didn't notice it until just this
weekend.  I know it was working but I can't say when it stopped.

I see the pulseaudio volume meter telling me that it's playing, I see
the level varying, etc., but nothing from the speakers.  I checked
alsamixer and nothing is muted.

I'm playing an internet radio station via Chrome right now.  I see in
pulseaudio volume control that the speakers are pretty much pegged at
the max but no sound at all.  One odd thing I just noticed is that just
below the two slider controls for left and right speaker and above the
volume output level it says Silence on the left (which I understand)
but 100% (0dB) on the right which is strange.  The two slider volume
controls have a max of 153% (11.00dB).  Even at the max setting there
is no sound at all.

I'll try to find some time this weekend to troubleshoot the problem.

Kernel 3.13.10-200.fc20.x86_64 and 100% up to date with all the alsa,
pulseaudio, etc., packages.  No MythTV installed, BTW.

[mcallman@draco ~]$ rpm -q -a | egrep '(pulseaudio|alsa)'
pulseaudio-utils-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-libs-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.i686
alsa-tools-firmware-1.0.27-3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-libs-glib2-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-libs-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
alsa-lib-1.0.27.2-2.fc20.x86_64
kde-settings-pulseaudio-20-12.fc20.noarch
wine-pulseaudio-1.7.16-2.fc20.x86_64
alsa-lib-devel-1.0.27.2-2.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
alsa-firmware-1.0.27-2.fc20.noarch
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.27-2.fc20.x86_64
wine-alsa-1.7.16-2.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-module-zeroconf-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
wine-pulseaudio-1.7.16-2.fc20.i686
pulseaudio-module-x11-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
alsa-utils-1.0.27.2-4.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-gdm-hooks-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-module-lirc-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-module-gconf-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
alsa-lib-1.0.27.2-2.fc20.i686


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Re: Sound not working on 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels for Fedora 20

2014-04-29 Thread Stephen Morris


On 04/30/2014 08:30 AM, Mark C. Allman wrote:

On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 16:51 -0500, dwoody1 wrote:

On 04/29/2014 02:46 PM, poma wrote:

On 29.04.2014 20:49, dwoody1 wrote:

I installed F20 shortly after it's release. Everything worked as expected.
All kernels released since then have resulted in the sound not working.

The kernel that works is 3.11.10-301.fc20.i686+PAE. Sound does not work
for the 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels.

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/bugs/kernel
Where is your bug report?

I am not certain that it is a bug. It could still be a configuration
error. It does not seem that any one else is having this problem and
that indicates to me that it is my problem in all likelihood.


kernel-PAE-3.14.2-200.fc20.i686?
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=513888


poma



My sound isn't working either.  I didn't notice it until just this
weekend.  I know it was working but I can't say when it stopped.

I see the pulseaudio volume meter telling me that it's playing, I see
the level varying, etc., but nothing from the speakers.  I checked
alsamixer and nothing is muted.

I'm playing an internet radio station via Chrome right now.  I see in
pulseaudio volume control that the speakers are pretty much pegged at
the max but no sound at all.  One odd thing I just noticed is that just
below the two slider controls for left and right speaker and above the
volume output level it says Silence on the left (which I understand)
but 100% (0dB) on the right which is strange.  The two slider volume
controls have a max of 153% (11.00dB).  Even at the max setting there
is no sound at all.

I'll try to find some time this weekend to troubleshoot the problem.
Could the issue be the audio source itself? I had an issue yesterday 
with a web golf video I was watching where the instructor was talking 
away but there was no sound from my headphones, whereas other videos 
from the same source had no issues with sound. I have also noticed that 
with youtube videos that sound lvls output from the videos vary 
significantly, in that on some videos the sound is loud and on others if 
is very soft and almost inaudible.


regards,
Steve



Kernel 3.13.10-200.fc20.x86_64 and 100% up to date with all the alsa,
pulseaudio, etc., packages.  No MythTV installed, BTW.

[mcallman@draco ~]$ rpm -q -a | egrep '(pulseaudio|alsa)'
pulseaudio-utils-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-libs-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.i686
alsa-tools-firmware-1.0.27-3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-libs-glib2-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-libs-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
alsa-lib-1.0.27.2-2.fc20.x86_64
kde-settings-pulseaudio-20-12.fc20.noarch
wine-pulseaudio-1.7.16-2.fc20.x86_64
alsa-lib-devel-1.0.27.2-2.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
alsa-firmware-1.0.27-2.fc20.noarch
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.27-2.fc20.x86_64
wine-alsa-1.7.16-2.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-module-zeroconf-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
wine-pulseaudio-1.7.16-2.fc20.i686
pulseaudio-module-x11-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
alsa-utils-1.0.27.2-4.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-gdm-hooks-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-module-lirc-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-module-gconf-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
alsa-lib-1.0.27.2-2.fc20.i686




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Re: Fedora 20 no /var/log/messages file

2014-04-29 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak

On 04/29/2014 04:56 PM, Chris Kottaridis wrote:

Actually rsyslog is what I needed. Enabled and started it and rebooted
and now I see messages and mailog.

I don't remember having to do that in F19, but maybe I made slightly
different installation choices.

Thanks


You're welcome. It is a change in F20. It is explained here:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSyslog

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Re: Sound not working on 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels for Fedora 20

2014-04-29 Thread Mark C. Allman
On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 08:47 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote:
 On 04/30/2014 08:30 AM, Mark C. Allman wrote:
  On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 16:51 -0500, dwoody1 wrote:
  On 04/29/2014 02:46 PM, poma wrote:
  On 29.04.2014 20:49, dwoody1 wrote:
  I installed F20 shortly after it's release. Everything worked as 
  expected.
  All kernels released since then have resulted in the sound not working.
 
  The kernel that works is 3.11.10-301.fc20.i686+PAE. Sound does not work
  for the 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels.
  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/bugs/kernel
  Where is your bug report?
  I am not certain that it is a bug. It could still be a configuration
  error. It does not seem that any one else is having this problem and
  that indicates to me that it is my problem in all likelihood.
 
  kernel-PAE-3.14.2-200.fc20.i686?
  http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=513888
 
 
  poma
 
 
  My sound isn't working either.  I didn't notice it until just this
  weekend.  I know it was working but I can't say when it stopped.
 
  I see the pulseaudio volume meter telling me that it's playing, I see
  the level varying, etc., but nothing from the speakers.  I checked
  alsamixer and nothing is muted.
 
  I'm playing an internet radio station via Chrome right now.  I see in
  pulseaudio volume control that the speakers are pretty much pegged at
  the max but no sound at all.  One odd thing I just noticed is that just
  below the two slider controls for left and right speaker and above the
  volume output level it says Silence on the left (which I understand)
  but 100% (0dB) on the right which is strange.  The two slider volume
  controls have a max of 153% (11.00dB).  Even at the max setting there
  is no sound at all.
 
  I'll try to find some time this weekend to troubleshoot the problem.
 Could the issue be the audio source itself? I had an issue yesterday 
 with a web golf video I was watching where the instructor was talking 
 away but there was no sound from my headphones, whereas other videos 
 from the same source had no issues with sound. I have also noticed that 
 with youtube videos that sound lvls output from the videos vary 
 significantly, in that on some videos the sound is loud and on others if 
 is very soft and almost inaudible.
 
 regards,
 Steve
 
snip the list of installed packages

It might be the source but I've tried a few between a bit ago and last
weekend.  Also, I would think that the pulseaudio volume meter wouldn't
be showing me that it's pumping out sound at close to max volume if the
sight wasn't sending me something.  However, I'm no pulseaudio expert.

I have another laptop (Dell) so I'll check how it's working.  The laptop
that I use currently is from Think Penguin. The audio hardware (from
lspci) is
Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio
Controller (rev 06).

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Re: Sound not working on 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels for Fedora 20

2014-04-29 Thread dwoody1

On 04/29/2014 05:47 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:


On 04/30/2014 08:30 AM, Mark C. Allman wrote:

On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 16:51 -0500, dwoody1 wrote:

On 04/29/2014 02:46 PM, poma wrote:

On 29.04.2014 20:49, dwoody1 wrote:
I installed F20 shortly after it's release. Everything worked as 
expected.
All kernels released since then have resulted in the sound not 
working.


The kernel that works is 3.11.10-301.fc20.i686+PAE. Sound does not 
work

for the 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels.

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/bugs/kernel
Where is your bug report?

I am not certain that it is a bug. It could still be a configuration
error. It does not seem that any one else is having this problem and
that indicates to me that it is my problem in all likelihood.


kernel-PAE-3.14.2-200.fc20.i686?
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=513888


poma



My sound isn't working either.  I didn't notice it until just this
weekend.  I know it was working but I can't say when it stopped.

I see the pulseaudio volume meter telling me that it's playing, I see
the level varying, etc., but nothing from the speakers.  I checked
alsamixer and nothing is muted.

I'm playing an internet radio station via Chrome right now.  I see in
pulseaudio volume control that the speakers are pretty much pegged at
the max but no sound at all.  One odd thing I just noticed is that just
below the two slider controls for left and right speaker and above the
volume output level it says Silence on the left (which I understand)
but 100% (0dB) on the right which is strange.  The two slider volume
controls have a max of 153% (11.00dB).  Even at the max setting there
is no sound at all.

I'll try to find some time this weekend to troubleshoot the problem.
Could the issue be the audio source itself? I had an issue yesterday 
with a web golf video I was watching where the instructor was talking 
away but there was no sound from my headphones, whereas other videos 
from the same source had no issues with sound. I have also noticed 
that with youtube videos that sound lvls output from the videos vary 
significantly, in that on some videos the sound is loud and on others 
if is very soft and almost inaudible.


regards,
Steve

I can reboot to the 3.11 kernel and the sound it just fine playing the 
same file.


David


Kernel 3.13.10-200.fc20.x86_64 and 100% up to date with all the alsa,
pulseaudio, etc., packages.  No MythTV installed, BTW.

[mcallman@draco ~]$ rpm -q -a | egrep '(pulseaudio|alsa)'
pulseaudio-utils-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-libs-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.i686
alsa-tools-firmware-1.0.27-3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-libs-glib2-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-libs-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
alsa-lib-1.0.27.2-2.fc20.x86_64
kde-settings-pulseaudio-20-12.fc20.noarch
wine-pulseaudio-1.7.16-2.fc20.x86_64
alsa-lib-devel-1.0.27.2-2.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
alsa-firmware-1.0.27-2.fc20.noarch
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.27-2.fc20.x86_64
wine-alsa-1.7.16-2.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-module-zeroconf-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
wine-pulseaudio-1.7.16-2.fc20.i686
pulseaudio-module-x11-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
alsa-utils-1.0.27.2-4.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-gdm-hooks-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-module-lirc-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
pulseaudio-module-gconf-4.0-13.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64
alsa-lib-1.0.27.2-2.fc20.i686








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Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-29)

2014-04-29 Thread Matthew Miller
Reposted from
http://fedoramagazine.org/five-things-in-fedora-this-week-2014-04-29/

Fedora is a big project, and it’s hard to follow it all. This series
highlights interesting happenings in five different areas every week.
It isn’t comprehensive news coverage — just quick summaries with links
to each. Here are the five things for April 29th, 2014:


Last Chance to Vote for Flock Sessions
--

I know I’ve been posting these reminders for a while now, but this is
the last one, since it’s also the last few days in which voting is open
for the different sessions proposed for Flock (Fedora’s annual planning
and development conference, in Prague this August). Fedora contributors
can vote on the Fedora Elections page. Of course, it’s best if you can
actually attend, but even if you won’t be able to, it’s helpful to
vote on topics which you really think we need to be talking about.

Also, we know that the voting system is a little awkward with this many
options — it was designed for elections with only a handful of choices.
Hopefully that will be fixed for next year. In the meantime, pick high
numbers for sessions you find interesting. And voting closes Thursday,
May 1st, one second before midnight, UTC.

  * http://flocktofedora.org/ Flock to Fedora
  * http://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting


Fedora @ FLISOL
---

FLISOL is multi-country free software “install fest” which takes place
annually across Latin America. This year, Fedora had representation in
many different places, including Brazil, Peru, and Argentina. Fedora
Ambassador Matias Kreder posted a short positive report from Buenos
Aires, with plenty of pictures and a link to a video by the national
news agency. As you can see, Fedora was very much in evidence!

  * http://flisol.info/
  * http://en.mkreder.com/2014/04/27/flisol-2014/
  * http://en.mkreder.com/2014/04/28/video-sobre-la-flisol-2014/


Fedora Workstation on *Bad Voltage* Podcast
---

Last week, I mentioned Christian Schaller’s blog post about Fedora
Workstation. This attracted the attention of the people behind the “Bad
Voltage” podcast — an audio program covering “technology, Open Source,
politics, music, and anything else”. They invited Christian to come on
the show, and you can hear him answering questions aboutFedora
Workstation on Episode 1×14, at about minute 17. (Be warned that the
podcast declares itself Not Safe For Work, and contains strong
language.)

  * 
http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2014/04/16/preparing-the-ground-for-the-fedora-workstation/
  * http://www.badvoltage.org/2014/04/24/1x14/


Fedora Contributor Vacation Calendar


This isn’t new this week, but… it’s new to me, so that counts, right?
Fedora’s calendar system includes a contributor vacation calendar,
where you can record times when you’ll be away. This is particularly
helpful if you maintain packages, so others know you’re unreachable if
there is a security or other problem.

  * https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/vacation/


Ask Fedora
--

This one is also cheating: it’s not new at all. But if you haven’t seen
it, take a look at Ask Fedora, our community question-and-answer
site. You can ask questions, of course, but also, look for unanswered
questions where you can help.

Users build reputation by having their questions or answers voted on,
and increased reputation increases what you can do on the site. If
you’re a new user, or just ran into a frustrating problem, this is a
great way to find solutions, and if you are more experienced, or know
the answer to a frustrating problem, it’s a great way to give back (and
can be fun, too).

  * http://ask.fedoraproject.org Ask Fedora!

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Re: Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-29)

2014-04-29 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 07:32:05PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
 Fedora @ FLISOL
 ---
 
 FLISOL is multi-country free software “install fest” which takes place
 annually across Latin America. This year, Fedora had representation in
 many different places, including Brazil, Peru, and Argentina. Fedora
 Ambassador Matias Kreder posted a short positive report from Buenos
 Aires, with plenty of pictures and a link to a video by the national
 news agency. As you can see, Fedora was very much in evidence!
 
   * http://flisol.info/
   * http://en.mkreder.com/2014/04/27/flisol-2014/
   * http://en.mkreder.com/2014/04/28/video-sobre-la-flisol-2014/

Also, Panama. http://msvslinux1.blogspot.com/2014/04/flisol-panama-2014.html
And I'm sure many other reports as well. These are just the ones I noticed.
:)

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Re: Brother DCP7065dn laser printer on Fedora 20 [was Re: All-in-one laser printer recommendation]

2014-04-29 Thread Fred Smith
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 02:33:07PM -0700, Lee wrote:
Just wondering, what is the interface you use to install the drivers,
whether they're from Brother or the operating system? CUPS?

Use the program whose URL I gave below to install the drivers.
Once drivers are installed,  use the standard printer configuration
app on Fedora to set up a printer to use that driver.
(or use CUPS if you prefer, some people do).
 
On Apr 29, 2014 6:01 AM, Fred Smith
[1]fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us wrote:
 
  On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 08:06:57PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
   | From: Lee [2]ny6...@gmail.com
  
   | Just wondering, do all Brother printers ship with Linux drivers?
  
   No. Â Many don't need proprietary drivers. Â Some have proprietary
   drivers. Â I would guess some don't have Linux drivers at all.
  
   As usual, one good resource is
  
  [3]https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/Databa
  seIntro
  
   The other is Brother's site. Â For example, here's the driver page
  for
   the DCP7065dn
  
  [4]http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadtop.aspx?c=calang=enpro
  d=dcp7065dn_all
   Notice that it mentions Linux as a choice.
  As I may have said earlier (I forget which thread it was, maybe not
  this one),
  we have a DCP7065 at home and it works fine for me on multiple
  Fedora and
  Centos versions using Brother's driver. So far I haven't found a
  driver that
  ships with Fedora/Centos that works on this device. (OTOH, my older
  HL-2070N works fine with the generic drivers that come with Linux,
  so
  I've never even attempted Brothers' drivers for that one.)
  But, in another thread a few weeks (month or two, perhaps) ago
  someone
  pointed out a script available from Brother that asks you about the
  device models, addresses, etc. then downloads and installs the
  driver files
  for you, including any little tweaks that are needed.
  You can get it from this URL:
  [5]http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadend.aspx?c=us_otlang=enp
  rod=dcp7065dn_allos=127dlid=dlf006893_000flang=4type3=625
  I've used it for the 7065 on at leasat two of my systems and it
  makes
  a tedious job into a trivial job.
  Fred
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3. https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/DatabaseIntro
4. 
 http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadtop.aspx?c=calang=enprod=dcp7065dn_all
5. 
 http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadend.aspx?c=us_otlang=enprod=dcp7065dn_allos=127dlid=dlf006893_000flang=4type3=625
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