Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[Doug]

On 06/08/2014 08:55 PM, Doug wrote:


OI downloaded the whole thing and burned a DVD. Thanx to the folks
who advised me to get the 64-bit version. I'll install it later 
tonite, if

I don't run into any further trouble. When it's installed and running
I'll post back, and if it doesn't install and run, I'll also post back!



/snip/

--doug

I'm afraid Fedora is not for me. After trying several times to get
it to install to two empty partitions on sda, I installed a second
hard drive. It seems to have installed, but during the install a
message:
"A problem has occurred in the screen setting daemon..."
Unlike the 32-bit install, which gave me the option of KDE, if I could 
have installed it,

there was no option. I think it's some kind of GNOME, but I'm not sure.
Now that it is apparently installed, there is no way to set the clock, there
is no way to shutdown (except to pull the switch on the computer)
Firefox wants to upgrade, but it sends a compressed file, and there's no
way to get to a terminal to uncompress it. Along the way,  more
complaints about stuff that doesn't work (by Fedora, not me):
first, gnome settings, then glibc, then systemd.  (Now I know why
everybody hates systemd. . . .)
I have never seen a Linux that looked like this, and I hope I never do 
again.

Thanx for your interest, but I'm going to erase this off my drive.

--doug


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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[Ed Greshko]

On 06/09/14 08:55, Doug wrote:
> BTW: I did not see any checksum information on the download site.
> I just took it on faith that it was OK. Up until now, I've always had
> good downloads, when I did have a checksum to verify with. 

https://fedoraproject.org/en/verify

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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[Doug]

On 06/08/2014 06:42 PM, David wrote:

On 6/8/2014 6:06 PM, Andre Robatino wrote:

Doug  optonline.net> writes:


 Well, the reason was that I had the disk. So I listened to the sage
 advice from the list here, and started to download the file. I have
 the usual cable connection, and I thought
 I'd have the file in 20 minutes or so. The estimate was 4½ hours! I
 said to go ahead, and then after about 2½ hours I accidentally
 aborted it. I'll try again late tonite.
 I'm downloadeing from fedoraproject.org.

I have 3 Mbit DSL and could download the F20 install DVD faster than that.
When downloading large files, if possible use a robust command-line tool
such as wget. If necessary it's easy to resume the download with the -c
option (if it aborts, or you want to try a faster mirror).

me also. Less thatn 15 minutes here.

I downloaded the whole thing and burned a DVD. Thanx to the folks
who advised me to get the 64-bit version. I'll install it later tonite, if
I don't run into any further trouble. When it's installed and running
I'll post back, and if it doesn't install and run, I'll also post back!

BTW: I did not see any checksum information on the download site.
I just took it on faith that it was OK. Up until now, I've always had
good downloads, when I did have a checksum to verify with.

Re:  torrent. I've had mixed results. Some things download fairly
quickly, but on at least one thing i wanted to download, I got an
expected time of 30 days! I know I've been told that torrent is
safe, but it makes me nervous to have someone else connected
to my machine. So I have used it, but I still get nervous!

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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[David]

On 6/8/2014 7:37 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 06/09/14 07:21, David wrote:
>> IMHO? Torrents sucked then. And they suck now.
> 
> I live in Taiwan.  If it were not for torrents I'd be missing some very
> good shows.

I was not aware of that.


>> As for this person? People like *you*? The unpaid helpers here? He
>> insulted 'you' IMO. If you don't care? You need to make that more clear.
>> *I* thought he insulted 'you'. If you don't care? let me know. So that I
>> won't care either. When they poo on your plate...
> 
> I hardly pay any attention to "insults" on mailing lists.  And, I pay
> *zero* attention when/if it is directed at me.  It isn't worth the bits
> and the keystrokes.
> 
> -- 
> Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your own.
> You may both be wrong. -- Dandemis
> 
>

Hmm.. Well if you don't care? It has always bothered me that those that
'work for frre' and try to help get insulted and degraded. So you don't
care? Really? Well then I now longer care.

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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[Ed Greshko]

On 06/09/14 07:21, David wrote:
> IMHO? Torrents sucked then. And they suck now.

I live in Taiwan.  If it were not for torrents I'd be missing some very good 
shows.
>
> As for this person? People like *you*? The unpaid helpers here? He
> insulted 'you' IMO. If you don't care? You need to make that more clear.
> *I* thought he insulted 'you'. If you don't care? let me know. So that I
> won't care either. When they poo on your plate...

I hardly pay any attention to "insults" on mailing lists.  And, I pay *zero* 
attention when/if it is directed at me.  It isn't worth the bits and the 
keystrokes.

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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[David]

On 6/8/2014 6:56 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 06/09/14 06:40, David wrote:
>> I am impressed Ed. Most, in my experience, torrents die quickly due to
>> lack of seeds. I gave up on torrents when I upgraded from telephone
>> lines and 56k modems. I have no idea but many, many yeaRS AGO,
> 
> FWIW, maybe things have changed againwith more people using linux and 
> more people using torrents.  I had a need recently to get DVDs of F14 through 
> F19.  All of them were available via torrent and all 6 downloaded quite 
> quickly.
> 


torrents? I don't recall the last time I heard of those actually be of use.

"with more people using linux and more people using torrent"? You mean
that people that use linux ...


IMHO? Torrents sucked then. And they suck now.

As for this person? People like *you*? The unpaid helpers here? He
insulted 'you' IMO. If you don't care? You need to make that more clear.
*I* thought he insulted 'you'. If you don't care? let me know. So that I
won't care either. When they poo on your plate...
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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[Ed Greshko]

On 06/09/14 06:40, David wrote:
> I am impressed Ed. Most, in my experience, torrents die quickly due to
> lack of seeds. I gave up on torrents when I upgraded from telephone
> lines and 56k modems. I have no idea but many, many yeaRS AGO,

FWIW, maybe things have changed againwith more people using linux and more 
people using torrents.  I had a need recently to get DVDs of F14 through F19.  
All of them were available via torrent and all 6 downloaded quite quickly.

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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[David]

On 6/8/2014 6:06 PM, Andre Robatino wrote:
> Doug  optonline.net> writes:
> 
>> Well, the reason was that I had the disk. So I listened to the sage
>> advice from the list here, and started to download the file. I have
>> the usual cable connection, and I thought
>> I'd have the file in 20 minutes or so. The estimate was 4½ hours! I
>> said to go ahead, and then after about 2½ hours I accidentally
>> aborted it. I'll try again late tonite.
>> I'm downloadeing from fedoraproject.org. 
> 
> I have 3 Mbit DSL and could download the F20 install DVD faster than that.
> When downloading large files, if possible use a robust command-line tool
> such as wget. If necessary it's easy to resume the download with the -c
> option (if it aborts, or you want to try a faster mirror).

me also. Less thatn 15 minutes here.
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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[David]

On 6/8/2014 6:13 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 06/09/14 05:49, David wrote:
>> His complaint was that his download did not complete. A torrent would be
>> a complete restart. And a torrent, at this late date, would/could be
>> slow since the possibility od acctive 'seeds' would/could be small.
> 
> Just for the heck of it, I'm re-downloading the torrent using the torrent 
> file on fedoraproject.org.  I'm getting 2.8 Mb/sec and expect the dl to be 
> done in 30 minutes.


I am impressed Ed. Most, in my experience, torrents die quickly due to
lack of seeds. I gave up on torrents when I upgraded from telephone
lines and 56k modems. I have no idea but many, many yeaRS AGO,


>> And, IMO, since he can not complete, or resume, an oridinary d/l -- you
>> expect him to preform a torrent d/l? God luck with that.
> 
> A dl by torrent is generally better since you're getting data from multiple 
> sources via multiple paths over the internet.  A ftp/http download is from a 
> single source along a single path.  More susceptible to a failure.
> 
> Also, FWIW, when you do a wget on the DVD via fedoraproject you actually get 
> mirror.  I just tried it and I get a mirror that is very close to me here in 
> Taiwan.  Yet, I'm getting only 25Kb/s and the download is expected to take 
> 2Days.
> 

Ed... you are a great guy. But? What info you are offering him APPEARS
TO BE beyond his knowledge. IMO.
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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[Ed Greshko]

On 06/09/14 05:49, David wrote:
> His complaint was that his download did not complete. A torrent would be
> a complete restart. And a torrent, at this late date, would/could be
> slow since the possibility od acctive 'seeds' would/could be small.

Just for the heck of it, I'm re-downloading the torrent using the torrent file 
on fedoraproject.org.  I'm getting 2.8 Mb/sec and expect the dl to be done in 
30 minutes.
>
> And, IMO, since he can not complete, or resume, an oridinary d/l -- you
> expect him to preform a torrent d/l? God luck with that.

A dl by torrent is generally better since you're getting data from multiple 
sources via multiple paths over the internet.  A ftp/http download is from a 
single source along a single path.  More susceptible to a failure.

Also, FWIW, when you do a wget on the DVD via fedoraproject you actually get 
mirror.  I just tried it and I get a mirror that is very close to me here in 
Taiwan.  Yet, I'm getting only 25Kb/s and the download is expected to take 
2Days.

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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[Andre Robatino]

Doug  optonline.net> writes:

> Well, the reason was that I had the disk. So I listened to the sage
> advice from the list here, and started to download the file. I have
> the usual cable connection, and I thought
> I'd have the file in 20 minutes or so. The estimate was 4½ hours! I
> said to go ahead, and then after about 2½ hours I accidentally
> aborted it. I'll try again late tonite.
> I'm downloadeing from fedoraproject.org. 

I have 3 Mbit DSL and could download the F20 install DVD faster than that.
When downloading large files, if possible use a robust command-line tool
such as wget. If necessary it's easy to resume the download with the -c
option (if it aborts, or you want to try a faster mirror).




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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[David]

On 6/8/2014 5:39 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 16:54 -0400, Doug wrote:
>> Well, the reason was that I had the disk. So I listened to the sage 
>> advice from the list here, and started to download the file. I have
>> the 
>> usual cable connection, and I thought
>> I'd have the file in 20 minutes or so. The estimate was 4½ hours! I
>> said 
>> to go ahead, and then after about 2½ hours I accidentally aborted it. 
>> I'll try again late tonite.
>> I'm downloadeing from fedoraproject.org.
> 
> Use a torrent download (the same site has torrent versions). It's likely
> to be faster, not to mention easier to restart partial downloads.
> 
> poc
> 


His complaint was that his download did not complete. A torrent would be
a complete restart. And a torrent, at this late date, would/could be
slow since the possibility od acctive 'seeds' would/could be small.

And, IMO, since he can not complete, or resume, an oridinary d/l -- you
expect him to preform a torrent d/l? God luck with that.

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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[David]

On 6/8/2014 5:29 PM, Doug wrote:
> 
> On 06/08/2014 05:17 PM, David wrote:
>> On 6/8/2014 4:54 PM, Doug wrote:
>>> On 06/08/2014 01:35 AM, Roger wrote:
 On 06/08/2014 03:21 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
>
> On Jun 7, 2014 9:01 PM, "Doug"  > wrote:
>> Trying to install Fedora 20 32-bit version on a multiboot system
> (Windows 8.1 + PCLOS 32 + PCLOS 64) into a standard partition.
>> Got up past setting passwords for root and user. Then it crashed
> with the following message:
>> ***
>>
>> The following error occurred whil installing. This is a fatal error
> and installation will be aborted.
>> error population transaction: failure:
> Packages/s/systemd-python-208-9.fe20.:686.rpm from anaconda:
>> [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
>>
>> *
>> Machine is desktop 64-bit Intel processor with 8GB ram, connected
> to Internet, Nvidia graphics. Uses BIOS, not UEFI.
>> I want to install Fedora in order to run Linux version of
> DraftSight cad program, which has a Fedora rpm available and
>> which does not run on PCLOS, for unknown reasons.
>>
>> Suggestions, please.
>>
>> Thanx--doug
>> -- 
> Hey Doug,
>
> Any particular reason you aren't using  64 bit Fedora?  If it's
> because of a 32bit app, the chance of it working on x86_64 is *very
> high* and so worth trying.
>
> --Pete
>
> May I suggest the 64 bit - the graphics are much faster. 32 bit is
> glunky for 2/3D and animation.
 Roger


>>> Well, the reason was that I had the disk. So I listened to the sage
>>> advice from the list here, and started to download the file. I have the
>>> usual cable connection, and I thought
>>> I'd have the file in 20 minutes or so. The estimate was 4½ hours! I said
>>> to go ahead, and then after about 2½ hours I accidentally aborted it.
>>> I'll try again late tonite.
>>> I'm downloadeing from fedoraproject.org.
>>> --doug
>> That's too bad Doug. But bad things do happen from time to time.
>>
>> "the sage advice from the list"? Really> Users trying to help users.
>>
>> Good luck here with that attitude.
>>
>>
>>
> You seem to think that was an insult or something.  Here's what
> Artha says:
> 
> "sage ~ adjrare
>  1. having wisdom that comes with age and experience"
> 
> --doug
> 


It took a while but I remembered that from school. But I admit that I
had to Google search it for reference.

So?  The people here are, mostly, ordinary people that try to help
people with problems. Insulting *paid help* is just stupid. Insulting
*free* help is just worse.

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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 16:54 -0400, Doug wrote:
> Well, the reason was that I had the disk. So I listened to the sage 
> advice from the list here, and started to download the file. I have
> the 
> usual cable connection, and I thought
> I'd have the file in 20 minutes or so. The estimate was 4½ hours! I
> said 
> to go ahead, and then after about 2½ hours I accidentally aborted it. 
> I'll try again late tonite.
> I'm downloadeing from fedoraproject.org.

Use a torrent download (the same site has torrent versions). It's likely
to be faster, not to mention easier to restart partial downloads.

poc

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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[Doug]

On 06/08/2014 05:17 PM, David wrote:

On 6/8/2014 4:54 PM, Doug wrote:

On 06/08/2014 01:35 AM, Roger wrote:

On 06/08/2014 03:21 PM, Pete Travis wrote:


On Jun 7, 2014 9:01 PM, "Doug" mailto:dmcgarr...@optonline.net>> wrote:

Trying to install Fedora 20 32-bit version on a multiboot system

(Windows 8.1 + PCLOS 32 + PCLOS 64) into a standard partition.

Got up past setting passwords for root and user. Then it crashed

with the following message:

***

The following error occurred whil installing. This is a fatal error

and installation will be aborted.

error population transaction: failure:

Packages/s/systemd-python-208-9.fe20.:686.rpm from anaconda:

[Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.

*
Machine is desktop 64-bit Intel processor with 8GB ram, connected

to Internet, Nvidia graphics. Uses BIOS, not UEFI.

I want to install Fedora in order to run Linux version of

DraftSight cad program, which has a Fedora rpm available and

which does not run on PCLOS, for unknown reasons.

Suggestions, please.

Thanx--doug
--

Hey Doug,

Any particular reason you aren't using  64 bit Fedora?  If it's
because of a 32bit app, the chance of it working on x86_64 is *very
high* and so worth trying.

--Pete

May I suggest the 64 bit - the graphics are much faster. 32 bit is
glunky for 2/3D and animation.

Roger



Well, the reason was that I had the disk. So I listened to the sage
advice from the list here, and started to download the file. I have the
usual cable connection, and I thought
I'd have the file in 20 minutes or so. The estimate was 4½ hours! I said
to go ahead, and then after about 2½ hours I accidentally aborted it.
I'll try again late tonite.
I'm downloadeing from fedoraproject.org.
--doug

That's too bad Doug. But bad things do happen from time to time.

"the sage advice from the list"? Really> Users trying to help users.

Good luck here with that attitude.




You seem to think that was an insult or something.  Here's what
Artha says:

"sage ~ adjrare
 1. having wisdom that comes with age and experience"

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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[David]

On 6/8/2014 4:54 PM, Doug wrote:
> 
> On 06/08/2014 01:35 AM, Roger wrote:
>> On 06/08/2014 03:21 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 7, 2014 9:01 PM, "Doug" >> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Trying to install Fedora 20 32-bit version on a multiboot system
>>> (Windows 8.1 + PCLOS 32 + PCLOS 64) into a standard partition.
>>> > Got up past setting passwords for root and user. Then it crashed
>>> with the following message:
>>> >
>>> > ***
>>> >
>>> > The following error occurred whil installing. This is a fatal error
>>> and installation will be aborted.
>>> >
>>> > error population transaction: failure:
>>> Packages/s/systemd-python-208-9.fe20.:686.rpm from anaconda:
>>> > [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
>>> >
>>> > *
>>> > Machine is desktop 64-bit Intel processor with 8GB ram, connected
>>> to Internet, Nvidia graphics. Uses BIOS, not UEFI.
>>> > I want to install Fedora in order to run Linux version of
>>> DraftSight cad program, which has a Fedora rpm available and
>>> > which does not run on PCLOS, for unknown reasons.
>>> >
>>> > Suggestions, please.
>>> >
>>> > Thanx--doug
>>> > --
>>>
>>> Hey Doug,
>>>
>>> Any particular reason you aren't using  64 bit Fedora?  If it's
>>> because of a 32bit app, the chance of it working on x86_64 is *very
>>> high* and so worth trying.
>>>
>>> --Pete
>>>
>>> May I suggest the 64 bit - the graphics are much faster. 32 bit is
>>> glunky for 2/3D and animation.
>> Roger
>>
>>
> Well, the reason was that I had the disk. So I listened to the sage
> advice from the list here, and started to download the file. I have the
> usual cable connection, and I thought
> I'd have the file in 20 minutes or so. The estimate was 4½ hours! I said
> to go ahead, and then after about 2½ hours I accidentally aborted it.
> I'll try again late tonite.
> I'm downloadeing from fedoraproject.org.
> --doug

That's too bad Doug. But bad things do happen from time to time.

"the sage advice from the list"? Really> Users trying to help users.

Good luck here with that attitude.



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Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

[Doug]

On 06/08/2014 01:35 AM, Roger wrote:

On 06/08/2014 03:21 PM, Pete Travis wrote:



On Jun 7, 2014 9:01 PM, "Doug" > wrote:

>
> Trying to install Fedora 20 32-bit version on a multiboot system 
(Windows 8.1 + PCLOS 32 + PCLOS 64) into a standard partition.
> Got up past setting passwords for root and user. Then it crashed 
with the following message:

>
> ***
>
> The following error occurred whil installing. This is a fatal error 
and installation will be aborted.

>
> error population transaction: failure: 
Packages/s/systemd-python-208-9.fe20.:686.rpm from anaconda:

> [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
>
> *
> Machine is desktop 64-bit Intel processor with 8GB ram, connected 
to Internet, Nvidia graphics. Uses BIOS, not UEFI.
> I want to install Fedora in order to run Linux version of 
DraftSight cad program, which has a Fedora rpm available and

> which does not run on PCLOS, for unknown reasons.
>
> Suggestions, please.
>
> Thanx--doug
> --

Hey Doug,

Any particular reason you aren't using  64 bit Fedora?  If it's 
because of a 32bit app, the chance of it working on x86_64 is *very 
high* and so worth trying.


--Pete

May I suggest the 64 bit - the graphics are much faster. 32 bit is 
glunky for 2/3D and animation.

Roger


Well, the reason was that I had the disk. So I listened to the sage 
advice from the list here, and started to download the file. I have the 
usual cable connection, and I thought
I'd have the file in 20 minutes or so. The estimate was 4½ hours! I said 
to go ahead, and then after about 2½ hours I accidentally aborted it. 
I'll try again late tonite.

I'm downloadeing from fedoraproject.org.
--doug

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Wifi connection issues with Intel?

[Richard Shaw]

I looked though the last update and nothing jumped out at me...  Tried
journalctl --this-boot and paged through it, nothing jumped out at me.

I've also tried all 3 installed kernels with the same result: Flakey
wireless

When I bring up the connection details (which takes to many clicks/menus) I
see connection speeds of 1, 18, 24, or 54Mbit but this is a n device and
has connected reliably at 108Mbit before now and the AP is less than 20
feet away.

Sometimes connections get stuck at "resolving host" and other times it
works.

Anyone seeing the same issue?

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: REALLY quiting skype

[Paul Cartwright]

There should be a blue icon in the tray with a big S, up near your time and
network icons..
On Jun 7, 2014 7:13 PM, "Tim"  wrote:

> Allegedly, on or about 06 June 2014, Robert Moskowitz sent:
> > So I have Skype on a f20 i686 system and actually USED it for a
> > business call.  I then quited Skype.
> >
> > But later I was looking into some things on the system and found that
> > Skype still had a process running.  I could not find it on the Gnome
> > desktop anywhere, so I just killed the process.  But I should be able
> > to do this 'more normally'?
>
> How did you quit it?  Just close the window, or use the quit item in its
> own menu?
>
> If you just close the window, it stays running so it can accept a call,
> or make new ones.  Though, usually, you see an icon in the system tray
> (or your desktop's equivalent), showing that it's still running, some
> desktops don't have one that's compatible with its way of thinking.
>
> --
> [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
> Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64
>
> All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point
> trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the
> public lists.
>
> George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
> a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.
>
>
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Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

[Heinz Diehl]

On 07.06.2014, Timothy Murphy wrote: 

> What exactly is wrong with yum?
> It has worked faultlessly and painlessly for me for years,
> with addons to deal with every conceivable problem.
> If there is some problem with it,
> why not simply deal with that problem
> instead of inventing a completely new program?

I'll second that! This is exactly what I'm thinking.
(Just in case somebody cares..)

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