Re: changes made to a file are also made in his copy

[g]

On 07/04/14 01:04, angelo.moresch...@medident-sw.it wrote:
<>


The command "ls -l" shows the two files are colored blue which (I
think) indicates that the files are a link to each other.


this is true.


Since I am convinced that I used the "cp" command; my question is:
which mistake can I have made ​​to create a  link of the file instead
of a copy of it?


may not be a mistake.

"cp" is correct to usage to make a copy to a new file name.

run the command "man cp" to see arguments for "cp".

if you use "cp -l" it will make a link.

therefore, you may have an _alias_ that is causing problem.

to see if so, use the command of "alias" to see a list of your
aliases.

for my environment, i have;

   ]$ alias|grep cp
   alias cp='cp -i'
   ]$

hth.


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Cannot login to KDE - solved

[Stephen Davies]

I usually leave myself logged in 24/7 to my Fedora 20 system but recently, I 
went on holidays in Europe leaving house-sitters so logged out.


When I returned on Monday, I found that I could login to a tty and to ssh but 
not to KDE.


As soon as I entered my password, the Fedora page appeared for a second then 
the screen went black then returned to the login page.


Eventually, I thought to check my .xsession-errors and that indicated that 
libproj.so.0 was not found.


Installing that library fixed the problem.

(No idea why KDE would need a projections library.)

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changes made to a file are also made in his copy

[angelo.moresch...@medident-sw.it]

Hi,

I apologize for a trivial question but that's because I yet have not much 
experience with Linux. 

I made, some time ago, a copy of the smb.conf file, for security reasons, 
before making to it any changes: 
(cp smb.conf.original smb.conf.original.orig )

Yesterday I wanted to give a look at the contents of the old 
file(smb.conf.original) that I had copied; but I found that both files have the 
same content. 

I made other changes, in order to do experiments, and I have always seen that 
the changes made to a file are always shown on the other file. 

The command "ls -l" shows the two files are colored blue which (I think) 
indicates that the files are a link to each other. 

Since I am convinced that I used the "cp" command; my question is: 
which mistake can I have made ​​to create a  link of the file instead of a copy 
of it?

Thank you

Regards

Angelo
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Re: 4K monitors?

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 03 July 2014, don fisher sent:
> I have a laptop that attach an external monitor to when I am at home.
> Until today, it always came up in single screen mode, duplicated on
> both monitors. I had a power failure, and now the system is treating
> them as two monitors side by side. I am an old timer an prefer the
> days of the xorg.conf setup. Any ideas on where the button for single
> screen is hidden 

If you're using Gnome, there's a "displays" option in the system
settings set of configurators, or a "screen resolution" item in one of
the system menus, in it is a "mirror displays" option, which really
means both displays show the same as each other, rather than showing a
mirror (backwards) image.

Most of these things are easy to find if people just look at the menus.

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Re: XFS error during mount

[Roman Kravets]

I don't remember, this error appeared immediately after create file system or 
after created many files. But after I add parameter vmalloc to grub2.conf 
problem was resolved.

On Thu, Jul 03, 2014 at 03:24:37PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> 
> On Jul 3, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Roman Kravets  wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, Jul 02, 2014 at 02:50:10PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> >> 
> >> On Jun 30, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Roman Kravets  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> [softded@softded ~]$ mount | grep xfs
> >>> /dev/mapper/encrypt-store on /mnt/store type xfs 
> >>> (rw,noatime,nodiratime,attr2,inode64,sunit=1024,swidth=2048,noquota)
> >> 
> >>> [softded@softded ~]$ xfs_info /dev/mapper/encrypt-store
> >>> meta-data=/dev/mapper/encrypt-store isize=256agcount=16, 
> >>> agsize=2440064 blks
> >>>=   sectsz=512   attr=2, projid32bit=0
> >>>=   crc=0
> >>> data =   bsize=4096   blocks=39041024, imaxpct=25
> >>>=   sunit=128swidth=256 blks
> >>> naming   =version 2  bsize=4096   ascii-ci=0 ftype=0
> >>> log  =internal   bsize=4096   blocks=19064, version=2
> >>>=   sectsz=512   sunit=8 blks, lazy-count=1
> >>> realtime =none   extsz=4096   blocks=0, rtextents=0
> >> 
> >> 149GiB file system, is that correct?
> >> Is this filesystem on hardware or software raid?
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Chris,
> > 
> > Yes. It is correct.
> > 
> > I have software raid10 witch 4x80GB HDD.
> > 
> > I store on it raid my mail archive.
> 
> Ok well everything there looks normal. I'd still consider posting the 
> experience to the XFS list, checking the XFS FAQ for the information to 
> include in the submission. The fact you get this on fs mount and it inhibits 
> a normal mount is pretty weird. It's not like it's a big file system either, 
> but maybe it has something to do with 10 million files vs the size of the 
> file system.
> 
> 
> Chris Murphy
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Re: Somewhat OT, but possibly useful to all Fedorites

[JD]

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Roger Heflin  wrote:

> ​​
> ​​
> It will almost certainly be fine, at worst it may be a bit slower
> under the right benchmark, but unlikely to be anything that matters
> unless you need it as fast as it possibly can be.
>
> The underlying platter data rate is almost certainly less than 3Gbps.
>  Check the manufacturer's web site I would suspect even if that is a
> *FAST* spinning disk it is still below 200MB/second (2Gbps). It
> will be listed as a range, the lower number is the speed on the inside
> of the disk and the higher is the outside of the disk.   Rotational
> speed is constant, but the amount of data on a given track is more on
> ​​
>
> the outside as there is more area to encode bits and the disks place
> sectors based on constant area.
>
> ​I also looked at similar analyses.
It turns out that the combinations of
sata ii enclosure, sata ii controller do indeed
throttle the wire speed of the data transfer from
a sata iii drive to the system.
But by most analyses, it has no effect on data
throughput because mechanical drives are still a long ways
from outstripping the 3gbps wire speed.

Cheers,

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Re: 4K monitors?

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:09:41 -0700
don fisher wrote:

> Any ideas on where the button 
> for single screen is hidden?

Not really. I haven't ever done much with multiple monitors.
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Re: 4K monitors?

[don fisher]

On 07/03/14 15:26, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 15:11:34 -0700
don fisher wrote:


Can you tell me where documentation exists on how to set up the XWindow
system. I used /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the past, but that all appears to
have been replaced by something I cannot find.


You don't, it "just works" (except when it doesn't). All the info
is supposed to come from the EDID reported by the monitor. Any
tweaks are done at runtime via xrandr, xinput, etc. (which may or
may not be supported by some GUI setting tool that (maybe) remembers
and reproduces the settings via things like the gnome
settings daemon).

On my system at home, I have to override the EDID info to make
the system believe I have a 47 inch monitor and not a 7 inch
monitor with incredibly dense resolution :-). This has all
the same info you used to be able to put in xorg.conf, but now
it comes in a semi-documented binary file with no good tools
to edit it instead of an ascii text file. Such an improvement :-(.

Thanks for getting back. I have a laptop that attach an external monitor 
to when I am at home. Until today, it always came up in single screen 
mode, duplicated on both monitors. I had a power failure, and now the 
system is treating them as two monitors side by side. I am an old timer 
an prefer the days of the xorg.conf setup. Any ideas on where the button 
for single screen is hidden?


Thanks
Don


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Re: 4K monitors?

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 15:11:34 -0700
don fisher wrote:

> Can you tell me where documentation exists on how to set up the XWindow 
> system. I used /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the past, but that all appears to 
> have been replaced by something I cannot find.

You don't, it "just works" (except when it doesn't). All the info
is supposed to come from the EDID reported by the monitor. Any
tweaks are done at runtime via xrandr, xinput, etc. (which may or
may not be supported by some GUI setting tool that (maybe) remembers
and reproduces the settings via things like the gnome
settings daemon).

On my system at home, I have to override the EDID info to make
the system believe I have a 47 inch monitor and not a 7 inch
monitor with incredibly dense resolution :-). This has all
the same info you used to be able to put in xorg.conf, but now
it comes in a semi-documented binary file with no good tools
to edit it instead of an ascii text file. Such an improvement :-(.
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Re: 4K monitors?

[don fisher]

On 06/30/14 05:37, Tethys wrote:

On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Tom Horsley  wrote:


Is anyone using a 4K monitor on fedora with open source
video drivers and actually getting a 60HZ 3840x2160
image of a single desktop?

If so, care to share which video card and monitor
you use?


Not on a single monitor, but I have a quad headed system running at
7920x1920 from a single Nvidia GK107 using Nouveau drivers.

Tet

Can you tell me where documentation exists on how to set up the XWindow 
system. I used /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the past, but that all appears to 
have been replaced by something I cannot find.


Thanks, sorry for off topic
Don
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Re: OT: Web server no longer works [Further problems?]

[Joe Zeff]

On 07/03/2014 02:36 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

You could use traceroute with a "-T" option (to try a TCP SYN probe),
but you also need to specify a port you know the machine is listening on
but is NOT blocked by the ISP. Most ISPs don't block SSH on port 22, so
a "traceroute -T -p 22 " may succeed IF you have sshd
listening on port 22. No guarantees, however.


You can also use -I to make it use ICMP ECHO for the probes, but that 
requires root.

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Re: OT: Web server no longer works [Further problems?]

[Rick Stevens]

On 07/03/2014 02:03 PM, Dave Stevens issued this missive:

Quoting Jack Craig :


ditto, ...


Jack,

Telus is my ISP and they block port 80. As a test I recently added
"Listen 81" to my apache2.conf file and restarted the http service. Now
when I want to connect to my computer from off-site I use the form
URL:91 and I get through fine. It looks to me as if you are getting
blocked. I think ping uses ICMP not http.


Most home ISPs block common "server" ports to prevent high bandwidth
usage on their networks. Typically they'll block ports 80, 443, 25, 465, 
8080 and a number of others. If you want those ports unblocked,

you typically have to sign up for their "business class" service or use
non-blocked ports (such as 81, 8081, whatever).

Both ping and traceroute use ICMP, so the missing ping or traceroute is
because either the target isn't there or ICMP is being blocked by the
provider. Blocking ICMP is often done by the provider because they
think it helps protect their users from port probers ("gee, there's no
machine at that IP so there's no reason to try to break in").

You could use traceroute with a "-T" option (to try a TCP SYN probe),
but you also need to specify a port you know the machine is listening on
but is NOT blocked by the ISP. Most ISPs don't block SSH on port 22, so
a "traceroute -T -p 22 " may succeed IF you have sshd
listening on port 22. No guarantees, however.


traceroute 99.121.57.131
traceroute to 99.121.57.131 (99.121.57.131), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1)  0.213 ms  0.153 ms  0.162 ms
 2  cruzio_gw (63.249.90.1)  12.075 ms  12.983 ms  13.879 ms
 3  115.at-5-0-0.gw3.200p-sf.sonic.net (74.220.64.25)  15.307 ms  16.689
ms  17.607 ms
 4  0.ae2.gw.200p-sf.sonic.net (70.36.211.53)  18.514 ms  19.404 ms
20.855
ms
 5  0.xe-5-1-0.gw.equinix-sj.sonic.net (208.106.27.121)  23.713 ms
24.620
ms  25.052 ms
 6  sonicnet-customer.xo.com (216.156.84.101)  26.742 ms  14.087 ms
14.908
ms
 7  192.205.37.189 (192.205.37.189)  17.804 ms  16.152 ms  17.042 ms
 8  cr1.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.86.90)  21.607 ms  24.727 ms  25.085 ms
 9  12.122.114.41 (12.122.114.41)  25.399 ms  25.319 ms  25.266 ms
10  * * *
11  * * *


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Mike Wright 
wrote:


07/03/2014 12:55 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:



On Thu, 2014-07-03 at 13:12 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote:


On 07/03/2014 12:47 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:


I run a small weather station that acts as a web server.  Recently
it's
become impossible to
access it via the web, though I can still access it over my local
network.  Some details:

   * My ISP is AT&T using their Uverse service.
   * The server was accessible from the web a month or so ago.
   * The server has web address oaklandweather.no-ip.org, which
currently resolves to
 99.121.57.131, and probably will for some time.
   * I can ping the server either over the LAN or via the web without
trouble.
   * An attempt to connect to the weather station as a web server
(HTTP) times out.

I'm pretty sure that the Uverse gateway is set up correctly: It
worked
properly in the past
and I haven't made any changes to it.  An inspection of the settings
doesn't show anything
obviously wrong.

Has AT&T changed its terms of service?  I vaguely remember the
terms of
service don't allow
customers to run servers; but I can't find any such restriction in
documents available on the
web.  Also the (AT&T supplied) gateway has a function to explicitly
open a "pinhole" allowing
HTTP service from a computer on the customer side of the gateway.




 Do a google search for microsoft and no-ip.  You may have gotten

clobbered by microsoft.



It looks like there may be further problems.  Note that I can ping
oaklandweather.no-ip.org, but not connect to it as a web server.  Is it
possible for M$ to mess up the DNS entry so that ping is resolved
correctly but HTTP is not?  Here's the failure report from Konqueror:

 The requested operation could not be completed

 Timeout Error

 Details of the Request:
   * URL: http://oaklandweather.no-ip.org/
   * Protocol: http
   * Date and Time: Thursday, July 03, 2014 12:26 PM
   * Additional Information: oaklandweather.no-ip.org:
Socket
 operation timed out
   * Description:

 Although contact was made with the server, a response was not
 received within the amount of time allocated for the
request as
 follows:
   * Timeout for establishing a connection: 20 seconds
   * Timeout for receiving a response: 600 seconds
   * Timeout for accessing proxy servers: 10 seconds...



Hi Jonathon,

I just tried pinging 99.121.57.131 and got no reply.

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Re: XFS error during mount

[Chris Murphy]

On Jul 3, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Roman Kravets  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jul 02, 2014 at 02:50:10PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> 
>> On Jun 30, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Roman Kravets  wrote:
>> 
>>> [softded@softded ~]$ mount | grep xfs
>>> /dev/mapper/encrypt-store on /mnt/store type xfs 
>>> (rw,noatime,nodiratime,attr2,inode64,sunit=1024,swidth=2048,noquota)
>> 
>>> [softded@softded ~]$ xfs_info /dev/mapper/encrypt-store
>>> meta-data=/dev/mapper/encrypt-store isize=256agcount=16, agsize=2440064 
>>> blks
>>>=   sectsz=512   attr=2, projid32bit=0
>>>=   crc=0
>>> data =   bsize=4096   blocks=39041024, imaxpct=25
>>>=   sunit=128swidth=256 blks
>>> naming   =version 2  bsize=4096   ascii-ci=0 ftype=0
>>> log  =internal   bsize=4096   blocks=19064, version=2
>>>=   sectsz=512   sunit=8 blks, lazy-count=1
>>> realtime =none   extsz=4096   blocks=0, rtextents=0
>> 
>> 149GiB file system, is that correct?
>> Is this filesystem on hardware or software raid?
> 
> 
> Dear Chris,
> 
> Yes. It is correct.
> 
> I have software raid10 witch 4x80GB HDD.
> 
> I store on it raid my mail archive.

Ok well everything there looks normal. I'd still consider posting the 
experience to the XFS list, checking the XFS FAQ for the information to include 
in the submission. The fact you get this on fs mount and it inhibits a normal 
mount is pretty weird. It's not like it's a big file system either, but maybe 
it has something to do with 10 million files vs the size of the file system.


Chris Murphy
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Re: OT: Web server no longer works [Further problems?]

[Dave Stevens]

Quoting Jack Craig :


ditto, ...


Jack,

Telus is my ISP and they block port 80. As a test I recently added  
"Listen 81" to my apache2.conf file and restarted the http service.  
Now when I want to connect to my computer from off-site I use the form  
URL:91 and I get through fine. It looks to me as if you are getting  
blocked. I think ping uses ICMP not http.


D



traceroute 99.121.57.131
traceroute to 99.121.57.131 (99.121.57.131), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1)  0.213 ms  0.153 ms  0.162 ms
 2  cruzio_gw (63.249.90.1)  12.075 ms  12.983 ms  13.879 ms
 3  115.at-5-0-0.gw3.200p-sf.sonic.net (74.220.64.25)  15.307 ms  16.689
ms  17.607 ms
 4  0.ae2.gw.200p-sf.sonic.net (70.36.211.53)  18.514 ms  19.404 ms  20.855
ms
 5  0.xe-5-1-0.gw.equinix-sj.sonic.net (208.106.27.121)  23.713 ms  24.620
ms  25.052 ms
 6  sonicnet-customer.xo.com (216.156.84.101)  26.742 ms  14.087 ms  14.908
ms
 7  192.205.37.189 (192.205.37.189)  17.804 ms  16.152 ms  17.042 ms
 8  cr1.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.86.90)  21.607 ms  24.727 ms  25.085 ms
 9  12.122.114.41 (12.122.114.41)  25.399 ms  25.319 ms  25.266 ms
10  * * *
11  * * *


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Mike Wright 
wrote:


07/03/2014 12:55 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:



On Thu, 2014-07-03 at 13:12 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote:


On 07/03/2014 12:47 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:


I run a small weather station that acts as a web server.  Recently it's
become impossible to
access it via the web, though I can still access it over my local
network.  Some details:

   * My ISP is AT&T using their Uverse service.
   * The server was accessible from the web a month or so ago.
   * The server has web address oaklandweather.no-ip.org, which
currently resolves to
 99.121.57.131, and probably will for some time.
   * I can ping the server either over the LAN or via the web without
trouble.
   * An attempt to connect to the weather station as a web server
(HTTP) times out.

I'm pretty sure that the Uverse gateway is set up correctly: It worked
properly in the past
and I haven't made any changes to it.  An inspection of the settings
doesn't show anything
obviously wrong.

Has AT&T changed its terms of service?  I vaguely remember the terms of
service don't allow
customers to run servers; but I can't find any such restriction in
documents available on the
web.  Also the (AT&T supplied) gateway has a function to explicitly
open a "pinhole" allowing
HTTP service from a computer on the customer side of the gateway.




 Do a google search for microsoft and no-ip.  You may have gotten

clobbered by microsoft.



It looks like there may be further problems.  Note that I can ping
oaklandweather.no-ip.org, but not connect to it as a web server.  Is it
possible for M$ to mess up the DNS entry so that ping is resolved
correctly but HTTP is not?  Here's the failure report from Konqueror:

 The requested operation could not be completed

 Timeout Error

 Details of the Request:
   * URL: http://oaklandweather.no-ip.org/
   * Protocol: http
   * Date and Time: Thursday, July 03, 2014 12:26 PM
   * Additional Information: oaklandweather.no-ip.org: Socket
 operation timed out
   * Description:

 Although contact was made with the server, a response was not
 received within the amount of time allocated for the request as
 follows:
   * Timeout for establishing a connection: 20 seconds
   * Timeout for receiving a response: 600 seconds
   * Timeout for accessing proxy servers: 10 seconds...



Hi Jonathon,

I just tried pinging 99.121.57.131 and got no reply.

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Re: Brother HL-5250DN duplex printing: loves me, loves me not, ...

[D. Hugh Redelmeier]

| From: D. Hugh Redelmeier 

| See 
| 
| I'd love feedback.

Thanks for the feedback.

We've noticed that we can no longer print envelopes.  I wonder why.

The printer no longer stops with a blinking light, awaiting a blank 
envelope to be inserted in the second feed.  When you do put one there, it 
doesn't print on it.  I need to check if it is printing somewhere off the 
envelope.

More investigation is required.  I'm not sure when I can get to this.

Does anyone else notice this problem?  Is it a change for you?
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Re: OT: Web server no longer works [Further problems?]

[Jack Craig]

ditto, ...

traceroute 99.121.57.131
traceroute to 99.121.57.131 (99.121.57.131), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1)  0.213 ms  0.153 ms  0.162 ms
 2  cruzio_gw (63.249.90.1)  12.075 ms  12.983 ms  13.879 ms
 3  115.at-5-0-0.gw3.200p-sf.sonic.net (74.220.64.25)  15.307 ms  16.689
ms  17.607 ms
 4  0.ae2.gw.200p-sf.sonic.net (70.36.211.53)  18.514 ms  19.404 ms  20.855
ms
 5  0.xe-5-1-0.gw.equinix-sj.sonic.net (208.106.27.121)  23.713 ms  24.620
ms  25.052 ms
 6  sonicnet-customer.xo.com (216.156.84.101)  26.742 ms  14.087 ms  14.908
ms
 7  192.205.37.189 (192.205.37.189)  17.804 ms  16.152 ms  17.042 ms
 8  cr1.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.86.90)  21.607 ms  24.727 ms  25.085 ms
 9  12.122.114.41 (12.122.114.41)  25.399 ms  25.319 ms  25.266 ms
10  * * *
11  * * *


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Mike Wright 
wrote:

> 07/03/2014 12:55 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, 2014-07-03 at 13:12 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/03/2014 12:47 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>>>
 I run a small weather station that acts as a web server.  Recently it's
 become impossible to
 access it via the web, though I can still access it over my local
 network.  Some details:

* My ISP is AT&T using their Uverse service.
* The server was accessible from the web a month or so ago.
* The server has web address oaklandweather.no-ip.org, which
 currently resolves to
  99.121.57.131, and probably will for some time.
* I can ping the server either over the LAN or via the web without
 trouble.
* An attempt to connect to the weather station as a web server
 (HTTP) times out.

 I'm pretty sure that the Uverse gateway is set up correctly: It worked
 properly in the past
 and I haven't made any changes to it.  An inspection of the settings
 doesn't show anything
 obviously wrong.

 Has AT&T changed its terms of service?  I vaguely remember the terms of
 service don't allow
 customers to run servers; but I can't find any such restriction in
 documents available on the
 web.  Also the (AT&T supplied) gateway has a function to explicitly
 open a "pinhole" allowing
 HTTP service from a computer on the customer side of the gateway.

>>>
>>  Do a google search for microsoft and no-ip.  You may have gotten
>>> clobbered by microsoft.
>>>
>>
>> It looks like there may be further problems.  Note that I can ping
>> oaklandweather.no-ip.org, but not connect to it as a web server.  Is it
>> possible for M$ to mess up the DNS entry so that ping is resolved
>> correctly but HTTP is not?  Here's the failure report from Konqueror:
>>
>>  The requested operation could not be completed
>>
>>  Timeout Error
>>
>>  Details of the Request:
>>* URL: http://oaklandweather.no-ip.org/
>>* Protocol: http
>>* Date and Time: Thursday, July 03, 2014 12:26 PM
>>* Additional Information: oaklandweather.no-ip.org: Socket
>>  operation timed out
>>* Description:
>>
>>  Although contact was made with the server, a response was not
>>  received within the amount of time allocated for the request as
>>  follows:
>>* Timeout for establishing a connection: 20 seconds
>>* Timeout for receiving a response: 600 seconds
>>* Timeout for accessing proxy servers: 10 seconds...
>>
>>
> Hi Jonathon,
>
> I just tried pinging 99.121.57.131 and got no reply.
>
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Re: XFS error during mount

[Roman Kravets]

Dear Chris,

Yes. It is correct.

I have software raid10 witch 4x80GB HDD.

I store on it raid my mail archive.

On Wed, Jul 02, 2014 at 02:50:10PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> 
> On Jun 30, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Roman Kravets  wrote:
> 
> > [softded@softded ~]$ mount | grep xfs
> > /dev/mapper/encrypt-store on /mnt/store type xfs 
> > (rw,noatime,nodiratime,attr2,inode64,sunit=1024,swidth=2048,noquota)
> 
> > [softded@softded ~]$ xfs_info /dev/mapper/encrypt-store
> > meta-data=/dev/mapper/encrypt-store isize=256agcount=16, agsize=2440064 
> > blks
> > =   sectsz=512   attr=2, projid32bit=0
> > =   crc=0
> > data =   bsize=4096   blocks=39041024, imaxpct=25
> > =   sunit=128swidth=256 blks
> > naming   =version 2  bsize=4096   ascii-ci=0 ftype=0
> > log  =internal   bsize=4096   blocks=19064, version=2
> > =   sectsz=512   sunit=8 blks, lazy-count=1
> > realtime =none   extsz=4096   blocks=0, rtextents=0
> 
> 149GiB file system, is that correct?
> Is this filesystem on hardware or software raid?
> 
> 
> 
> Chris Murphy
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Re: OT: Web server no longer works [Further problems?]

[Mike Wright]

07/03/2014 12:55 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:


On Thu, 2014-07-03 at 13:12 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote:

On 07/03/2014 12:47 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:

I run a small weather station that acts as a web server.  Recently it's become 
impossible to
access it via the web, though I can still access it over my local network.  
Some details:

   * My ISP is AT&T using their Uverse service.
   * The server was accessible from the web a month or so ago.
   * The server has web address oaklandweather.no-ip.org, which currently 
resolves to
 99.121.57.131, and probably will for some time.
   * I can ping the server either over the LAN or via the web without trouble.
   * An attempt to connect to the weather station as a web server (HTTP) times 
out.

I'm pretty sure that the Uverse gateway is set up correctly: It worked properly 
in the past
and I haven't made any changes to it.  An inspection of the settings doesn't 
show anything
obviously wrong.

Has AT&T changed its terms of service?  I vaguely remember the terms of service 
don't allow
customers to run servers; but I can't find any such restriction in documents 
available on the
web.  Also the (AT&T supplied) gateway has a function to explicitly open a 
"pinhole" allowing
HTTP service from a computer on the customer side of the gateway.



Do a google search for microsoft and no-ip.  You may have gotten clobbered by 
microsoft.


It looks like there may be further problems.  Note that I can ping
oaklandweather.no-ip.org, but not connect to it as a web server.  Is it
possible for M$ to mess up the DNS entry so that ping is resolved
correctly but HTTP is not?  Here's the failure report from Konqueror:

 The requested operation could not be completed

 Timeout Error

 Details of the Request:
   * URL: http://oaklandweather.no-ip.org/
   * Protocol: http
   * Date and Time: Thursday, July 03, 2014 12:26 PM
   * Additional Information: oaklandweather.no-ip.org: Socket
 operation timed out
   * Description:

 Although contact was made with the server, a response was not
 received within the amount of time allocated for the request as
 follows:
   * Timeout for establishing a connection: 20 seconds
   * Timeout for receiving a response: 600 seconds
   * Timeout for accessing proxy servers: 10 seconds...



Hi Jonathon,

I just tried pinging 99.121.57.131 and got no reply.

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Re: Somewhat OT, but possibly useful to all Fedorites

[Roger Heflin]

It will almost certainly be fine, at worst it may be a bit slower
under the right benchmark, but unlikely to be anything that matters
unless you need it as fast as it possibly can be.

The underlying platter data rate is almost certainly less than 3Gbps.
 Check the manufacturer's web site I would suspect even if that is a
*FAST* spinning disk it is still below 200MB/second (2Gbps). It
will be listed as a range, the lower number is the speed on the inside
of the disk and the higher is the outside of the disk.   Rotational
speed is constant, but the amount of data on a given track is more on
the outside as there is more area to encode bits and the disks place
sectors based on constant area.

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:36 AM, g  wrote:
>
>
> On 07/02/14 12:24, JD wrote:
>>
>> I have a 2.5" drive, 7200RPM and eSATA 3 (6gbps) drive.
>>
>> If I put it in an enclosure that is eSATA 2 (3gbps),
>> how much impact does it have on the drive's performance
>> using the various i/o throughput benchmarking apps,
>> compared with if the enclosure supported 6gbps?
>>
>> (assume that that controller in the computer is indeed
>> a 6gps esata3 controller).
>
>
> you really should think about what you want to ask before you ask.
>
> if a device is designed to operate at a level 3gbps, how can you
> expect it to operate at twice it's designed speed.
>
> a 6gbps drive connected to a 3gbps controller is not going to
> have a 6gbps throughput.
>
> all in all, nfw can you expect 6gbps.
>
> you can 'assume' all you want.
>
> if you want more specifics, be more specific as to specs.
>
> also, just how can your post be useful to anyone?
>
> fedorites ((GBWG)), or any one else?
>
> btw, do you live in Colorado? i do not know what you were
> smoking when you thought up this post, but it is way beyond
> your mental being.
>
>
> --
>
> peace out.
>
> in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
>
> tc.hago.
>
> g
>
> .
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Re: OT: Web server no longer works [Further problems?]

[Jack Craig]

have you looked in httpd's access & error logs?

mine are in sudo ls -al  /var/log/httpd/
total 1916
drwx--.  2 root root   4096 Jun 29 03:38 .
drwxr-xr-x. 15 root root   4096 Jul  2 07:18 ..
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root 303141 Jul  3 12:51 access_log
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root 126121 Jun  1 03:25 access_log-20140601
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root 248613 Jun 15 03:11 access_log-20140615
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root 209902 Jun 22 03:02 access_log-20140622
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root 877255 Jun 29 03:13 access_log-20140629
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root  60177 Jul  3 12:51 error_log
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root  24780 Jun  1 03:43 error_log-20140601
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root  15567 Jun 15 03:36 error_log-20140615
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root  11660 Jun 22 03:36 error_log-20140622
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root  22997 Jun 29 03:38 error_log-20140629

good luck,...


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan 
wrote:

>
> On Thu, 2014-07-03 at 13:12 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote:
> > On 07/03/2014 12:47 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> > > I run a small weather station that acts as a web server.  Recently
> it's become impossible to
> > > access it via the web, though I can still access it over my local
> network.  Some details:
> > >
> > >   * My ISP is AT&T using their Uverse service.
> > >   * The server was accessible from the web a month or so ago.
> > >   * The server has web address oaklandweather.no-ip.org, which
> currently resolves to
> > > 99.121.57.131, and probably will for some time.
> > >   * I can ping the server either over the LAN or via the web without
> trouble.
> > >   * An attempt to connect to the weather station as a web server
> (HTTP) times out.
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure that the Uverse gateway is set up correctly: It worked
> properly in the past
> > > and I haven't made any changes to it.  An inspection of the settings
> doesn't show anything
> > > obviously wrong.
> > >
> > > Has AT&T changed its terms of service?  I vaguely remember the terms
> of service don't allow
> > > customers to run servers; but I can't find any such restriction in
> documents available on the
> > > web.  Also the (AT&T supplied) gateway has a function to explicitly
> open a "pinhole" allowing
> > > HTTP service from a computer on the customer side of the gateway.
>
> > Do a google search for microsoft and no-ip.  You may have gotten
> clobbered by microsoft.
>
> It looks like there may be further problems.  Note that I can ping
> oaklandweather.no-ip.org, but not connect to it as a web server.  Is it
> possible for M$ to mess up the DNS entry so that ping is resolved
> correctly but HTTP is not?  Here's the failure report from Konqueror:
>
> The requested operation could not be completed
>
> Timeout Error
>
> Details of the Request:
>   * URL: http://oaklandweather.no-ip.org/
>   * Protocol: http
>   * Date and Time: Thursday, July 03, 2014 12:26 PM
>   * Additional Information: oaklandweather.no-ip.org: Socket
> operation timed out
>   * Description:
>
> Although contact was made with the server, a response was not
> received within the amount of time allocated for the request as
> follows:
>   * Timeout for establishing a connection: 20 seconds
>   * Timeout for receiving a response: 600 seconds
>   * Timeout for accessing proxy servers: 10 seconds...
>
> Thanks - jon
>
>
>
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Re: OT: Web server no longer works [Further problems?]

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

On Thu, 2014-07-03 at 13:12 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote:
> On 07/03/2014 12:47 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> > I run a small weather station that acts as a web server.  Recently it's 
> > become impossible to 
> > access it via the web, though I can still access it over my local network.  
> > Some details:
> > 
> >   * My ISP is AT&T using their Uverse service.
> >   * The server was accessible from the web a month or so ago.
> >   * The server has web address oaklandweather.no-ip.org, which currently 
> > resolves to 
> > 99.121.57.131, and probably will for some time.
> >   * I can ping the server either over the LAN or via the web without 
> > trouble.
> >   * An attempt to connect to the weather station as a web server (HTTP) 
> > times out. 
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure that the Uverse gateway is set up correctly: It worked 
> > properly in the past 
> > and I haven't made any changes to it.  An inspection of the settings 
> > doesn't show anything 
> > obviously wrong.
> > 
> > Has AT&T changed its terms of service?  I vaguely remember the terms of 
> > service don't allow 
> > customers to run servers; but I can't find any such restriction in 
> > documents available on the 
> > web.  Also the (AT&T supplied) gateway has a function to explicitly open a 
> > "pinhole" allowing 
> > HTTP service from a computer on the customer side of the gateway.

> Do a google search for microsoft and no-ip.  You may have gotten clobbered by 
> microsoft.

It looks like there may be further problems.  Note that I can ping
oaklandweather.no-ip.org, but not connect to it as a web server.  Is it
possible for M$ to mess up the DNS entry so that ping is resolved
correctly but HTTP is not?  Here's the failure report from Konqueror:

The requested operation could not be completed

Timeout Error

Details of the Request:
  * URL: http://oaklandweather.no-ip.org/
  * Protocol: http
  * Date and Time: Thursday, July 03, 2014 12:26 PM
  * Additional Information: oaklandweather.no-ip.org: Socket
operation timed out
  * Description:

Although contact was made with the server, a response was not
received within the amount of time allocated for the request as
follows:
  * Timeout for establishing a connection: 20 seconds
  * Timeout for receiving a response: 600 seconds
  * Timeout for accessing proxy servers: 10 seconds...

Thanks - jon




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Re: OT: Web server no longer works

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

On Thu, 2014-07-03 at 13:12 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote:
> On 07/03/2014 12:47 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> > I run a small weather station that acts as a web server.  Recently it's 
> > become impossible to access it via the web, though I can still access it 
> > over my local network.

> Do a google search for microsoft and no-ip.  You may have gotten clobbered 
> by microsoft.

And I spent much of an evening trying to figure out what was going on.

Another example of M$ arrogance and incompetence, the kind of thing that
afflicts so many large organizations, public and private.  I wish I
could sue them for damages; but the money involved is vanishingly small.

jon

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Re: OT: Web server no longer works

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

On Thu, 2014-07-03 at 13:12 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote:
> On 07/03/2014 12:47 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> > I run a small weather station that acts as a web server.  Recently it's 
> > become impossible to 
> > access it via the web, though I can still access it over my local network.  
> > Some details:
> > 
> >   * My ISP is AT&T using their Uverse service.
> >   * The server was accessible from the web a month or so ago.
> >   * The server has web address oaklandweather.no-ip.org, which currently 
> > resolves to 
> > 99.121.57.131, and probably will for some time.
> >   * I can ping the server either over the LAN or via the web without 
> > trouble.
> >   * An attempt to connect to the weather station as a web server (HTTP) 
> > times out. 
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure that the Uverse gateway is set up correctly: It worked 
> > properly in the past 
> > and I haven't made any changes to it.  An inspection of the settings 
> > doesn't show anything 
> > obviously wrong.
> > 
> > Has AT&T changed its terms of service?  I vaguely remember the terms of 
> > service don't allow 
> > customers to run servers; but I can't find any such restriction in 
> > documents available on the 
> > web.  Also the (AT&T supplied) gateway has a function to explicitly open a 
> > "pinhole" allowing 
> > HTTP service from a computer on the customer side of the gateway.

> Do a google search for microsoft and no-ip.  You may have gotten clobbered by 
> microsoft.
> 
> Kevin

Thanks!  It looks like you have hit the nail on the jackpot.  M$ messes up 
again.

jon


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Re: OT: Web server no longer works

[Kevin Martin]

On 07/03/2014 12:47 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> I run a small weather station that acts as a web server.  Recently it's 
> become impossible to access it via the web, though I can
> still access it over my local network.  Some details:
> 
>   * My ISP is AT&T using their Uverse service.
>   * The server was accessible from the web a month or so ago.
>   * The server has web address oaklandweather.no-ip.org, which currently 
> resolves to 99.121.57.131, and probably will for some time.
>   * I can ping the server either over the LAN or via the web without trouble.
>   * An attempt to connect to the weather station as a web server (HTTP) times 
> out. 
> 
> I'm pretty sure that the Uverse gateway is set up correctly: It worked 
> properly in the past and I haven't made any changes to it. 
> An inspection of the settings doesn't show anything obviously wrong.
> 
> Has AT&T changed its terms of service?  I vaguely remember the terms of 
> service don't allow customers to run servers; but I can't
> find any such restriction in documents available on the web.  Also the (AT&T 
> supplied) gateway has a function to explicitly open a
> "pinhole" allowing HTTP service from a computer on the customer side of the 
> gateway.
> 
> Thanks - jon
> 
> 
> 
> 
Do a google search for microsoft and no-ip.  You may have gotten clobbered by 
microsoft.

Kevin
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Re: Somewhat OT, but possibly useful to all Fedorites

[lee]

JD  writes:

> I have a 2.5" drive, 7200RPM and eSATA 3 (6gbps) drive.
>
> If I put it in an enclosure that is eSATA 2 (3gbps),
> how much impact does it have on the drive's performance
> using the various i/o throughput benchmarking apps,
> compared with if the enclosure supported 6gbps?
>
> (assume that that controller in the computer is indeed
> a 6gps esata3 controller).

http://blog.scoutapp.com/articles/2011/02/10/understanding-disk-i-o-when-should-you-be-worried

You probably need to do some testing yourself.  Please let us know the
results.


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OT: Web server no longer works

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

I run a small weather station that acts as a web server.  Recently it's
become impossible to access it via the web, though I can still access it
over my local network.  Some details: 

  * My ISP is AT&T using their Uverse service. 
  * The server was accessible from the web a month or so ago. 
  * The server has web address oaklandweather.no-ip.org, which
currently resolves to 99.121.57.131, and probably will for some
time. 
  * I can ping the server either over the LAN or via the web without
trouble. 
  * An attempt to connect to the weather station as a web server
(HTTP) times out.

I'm pretty sure that the Uverse gateway is set up correctly: It worked
properly in the past and I haven't made any changes to it.  An
inspection of the settings doesn't show anything obviously wrong.

Has AT&T changed its terms of service?  I vaguely remember the terms of
service don't allow customers to run servers; but I can't find any such
restriction in documents available on the web.  Also the (AT&T supplied)
gateway has a function to explicitly open a "pinhole" allowing HTTP
service from a computer on the customer side of the gateway.

Thanks - jon


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Re: Headless Google Cloud Print only works when started from ssh -Y

[dexter]

On 3 July 2014 14:59, Gary Stainburn  wrote:
> Apparently there is a problem with the current stable version
> google-chrome-stable-35.0.1916.153-1.x86_64
>
> I downloaded the current BETA and that's working as expected, works in a text
> only session and doesn't die when logging out.
>
> Now all I need is a systemctl system unit to start it up on system boot.  Does
> anyone have a suitable template I can use?
>
> Gary
> --
Errm, I wrote this some time ago so beware :-)
it starts my service after the network is up:

[16:37:00][dexter@BigIron:~]$ cat /usr/lib/systemd/system/noip.service
#
# dexter's noip service
#
[Unit]
Description=Noip Dynamic DNS Update Client,Keep your current IP address in sync
After=network.target

[Service]
Type=forking
# drops to user/group noip after startup
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/noip2
ExecReload=/usr/sbin/noip2 -K `pidof noip2` && /usr/sbin/noip2

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

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Re: postfix starting before network

[Greg Woods]

I've had similar issues. Google for NetworkManager-wait-online.service and
you will probably find something to help. This is a service that uses
"nm-online" to wait for NetworkManager to report itself ready before
exiting. I can't remember all the details of making use of this, but one of
my systems needed it to avoid this sort of issue, where something would try
to start before all the network interfaces were actually up.

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Re: Headless Google Cloud Print only works when started from ssh -Y

[Gary Stainburn]

Apparently there is a problem with the current stable version 
google-chrome-stable-35.0.1916.153-1.x86_64

I downloaded the current BETA and that's working as expected, works in a text 
only session and doesn't die when logging out.

Now all I need is a systemctl system unit to start it up on system boot.  Does 
anyone have a suitable template I can use?

Gary
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Re: firefox defaults to offline

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 02 July 2014, Joe Zeff sent:
> My attitude toward this is that *I* am the network check. 

It tends to be the best approach.  It's confusing if a client decides
it's offline, for some reason (that may not be correct), and not only
goes offline, but doesn't really inform you about it, and doesn't like
to go online when you fight against it.

Automatically detecting it isn't too easily done.  For instance, I am on
a LAN, with a local web server.  I can easily be only browsing the local
webserver, while the internet is unavailable.  So I wouldn't want
Firefox to go offline because it couldn't detect some remote service.
And it couldn't use the PC's NetworkManager status to determine whether
I was online, as it's another device that connects to the internet.

The whole work-offline mode is fundamentally broken, anyway, by the huge
plethora of websites that just will not work offline.  Whether because
they're very dynamic, keep using the same URI but sending other request
information to receive new data, or are deliberately cache hostile.
Browsers often - but oddly, not always - refuse to work offline with my
own local webserver, serving flat HTML, with standard URIs.

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Re: DNF Doesn't Appear to Have --skip-broken

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 03 July 2014, Stephen Morris sent:
> I have view-->Character Encoding set to Unicode and I see those 
> characters in Fred's Mail but not in Rahul's. I have opened Rahul's
> mail in a new tab and switched the encoding to Western and i shows the
> characters as you said, what I have also noticed is that in Fred's
> reply there are more of those characters than what there is in Rahul's
> mail.

As a general rule, at least for reading mail, you do not set defaults to
something like that.  The default for mail, is us-ascii (the default
being used when there is no header is present to say what the message
content is written in, then the simplest us-ascii is the norm).
Anything else should (probably "must") have headers declaring what it
is, and the mail client will pay attention to them.

A need to pick something else to display mail arises from dealing with
broken clients that send something else without saying what it is.  And,
in ancient computing times, various systems which used all sorts of
different encoding schemes, and never bothered to declare what they use.
In this day and age, there should be no client that composes a message
without describing the character encoding that it used.  Such a client
would have been written by a really crap author.

For composing mail, your editor's default (that's a different setting),
should be the same as your system's, or your mail client should be able
to figure it out for themselves.  Some can't, hence the need to be able
to set a default, here.

When composing mail that includes portions of someone else's text (a
reply with quotes), the mail client should be transcoding any different
schemes, so that the whole message uses the same scheme.


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Re: Somewhat OT, but possibly useful to all Fedorites

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

g  writes:
> a 6gbps drive connected to a 3gbps controller is not going to
> have a 6gbps throughput.

And just to hammer that point home, any good modern SSD is going to have
a capacity of 550 MBytes/sec or more.  It is going to mostly saturate
that 6 Gbit/sec SATA channel.  Putting the drive on a 3 Gbit/sec channel
is going to limit you to the 280 MByte/sec range.

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Headless Google Cloud Print only works when started from ssh -Y

[Gary Stainburn]

I've followed the instructions on

https://support.google.com/a/answer/2906017?hl=en

to set up a Google Cloud printer using a headless F19 server.

I used ssh -Y -C  to log into the service, install Chrome and set 
up the printer.

I then ran 

nohup /usr/bin/google-chrome \
--type=service \
--enable-cloud-print-proxy \
--no-service-autorun \
--noerrdialogs \
--user-data-dir=/home/gary/.GoogleCloudPrint &

NOTE: different path to google-chrome used as the one specified on the web 
page just generated library errors.

Which started Chrome in the background. However, when I logged out Chrome 
died. To get it working quickly (it was home time after all) I logged in text 
mode on the console and ran the same command. However that just core dumped 
immediately.

If I log into the server using SSH but don't specify the -Y and therefore 
don't have X forwarding, it does the same:

[gary@lou ~]$ 
nohup /usr/bin/google-chrome  --type=service --enable-cloud-print-proxy 
--no-service-autorun --noerrdialogs 
--user-data-dir=/home/gary/.GoogleCloudPrint 
&
[1] 6204
[gary@lou ~]$ nohup: ignoring input and appending output to ‘nohup.out’

[1]+  Aborted (core dumped) 
nohup /usr/bin/google-chrome --type=service --enable-cloud-print-proxy 
--no-service-autorun --noerrdialogs --user-data-dir=/home/gary/.GoogleCloudPrint
[gary@lou ~]$ 


Does anyone know how to get round this problem?
Does anyone have a systemctl unit written so that I can do this at startup?

Cheers

Gary
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Re: Somewhat OT, but possibly useful to all Fedorites

[g]

On 07/03/14 02:56, Ian Malone wrote:
<>


Lastly, you may just have violated the rules of this mailing list...


now we should all sing to the tune from "Hair",

  this is the season of the violation of the list rules...

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Re: Somewhat OT, but possibly useful to all Fedorites

[Ian Malone]

On 3 July 2014 01:08, JD  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:46 PM, poma  wrote:
>>
>> On 02.07.2014 19:24, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a 2.5" drive, 7200RPM and eSATA 3 (6gbps) drive.
>>>
>>> If I put it in an enclosure that is eSATA 2 (3gbps),
>>> how much impact does it have on the drive's performance
>>> using the various i/o throughput benchmarking apps,
>>> compared with if the enclosure supported 6gbps?
>>>
>>> (assume that that controller in the computer is indeed
>>> a 6gps esata3 controller).
>>>
>>
>> WTF, Fedorites!? :)
>> http://webmineral.com/data/Fedorite.shtml
>>
>> Links to spec:
>> - mobo
>> - hdd
>> - enclosure
>>
>>
>> poma
>
>
> You have just violated the rules of this mailing list.
> Let this be a warning before you receive a formal reprimand.
>
> Fedorites is an old abreviation for fedora users.
> If it offends you, then cancel your subscription to this list.
>

Honestly, I thought it was funny (for once). Do Ubuntu users have a
mineral named after them? No.
Anyway, I was unsure if your first post was a question or "I've tested
this, anyone want to guess the answer?" The extra details are
relevant.
Lastly, you may just have violated the rules of this mailing list...


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