Re: Poor ext4 performance questions
man tune2fs suomi On 11/11/2014 07:26 AM, George R Goffe wrote: Hi, I have some large ext4 filesystems with large numbers of files in them and performance really sucks. After inactivity, a simple ls takes minutes to complete. I'm pretty sure the drive is now powering itself down due to this inactivity. Are there tuning parameters that I could alter that would keep more of the filesystem meta data in memory? It looks like the data slowly migrates back to disk and as a result, takes minutes to fill back up enough to respond. Regards and THANKS for your help and your time, George... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Poor ext4 performance questions
Hi, I have some large ext4 filesystems with large numbers of files in them and performance really sucks. After inactivity, a simple ls takes minutes to complete. I'm pretty sure the drive is now powering itself down due to this inactivity. Are there tuning parameters that I could alter that would keep more of the filesystem meta data in memory? It looks like the data slowly migrates back to disk and as a result, takes minutes to fill back up enough to respond. Regards and THANKS for your help and your time, George... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
On Tue, 2014-11-11 at 02:07 +0530, Sudhir Khanger wrote: > I don't think swap size has to be bigger than size of RAM. Arch Linux > has a good note on size of swap partition [1] which links to kernel > documentation[2]. I used to make 4GB of swap partition on a system > with 8GB of RAM on Arch Linux. It does if you want to suspend/hibernate to the swap space. Your RAM has to dump its contents somewhere, and that's where it goes. -- tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.16.7-200.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Thu Oct 30 18:40:30 UTC 2014 i686 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
On Mon, 2014-11-10 at 14:30 -0500, Fred Smith wrote: > I DO have sympathy for people who would like to deprecate > hibernate because the hardware situation is a big mess. I would have thought suspend harder to support than hibernate. A dump to disc, and back again, ought to work relatively simply. But telling a computer to partially shut down, and not have it completely shut down, and to keep its RAM refreshed, sounds like more work. -- tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.16.7-200.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Thu Oct 30 18:40:30 UTC 2014 i686 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Configuring a printer on a server without a GUI
On 11/10/2014 10:15 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I have a server here that has no GUI installed. > > No gnome, xfce, or any other. And I want to install a printer. It is > an HP8610 and I have the url for it. I strangely thought that > system-config-printer would work, but that also requires more than just > a text window as I get: > > # system-config-printer > Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused > Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused > Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused > > (system-config-printer.py:15388): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: > > > Oh, yes, no monitor at ALL. Only a serial console or SSH terminal. Can you SSH in from a device with a GUI and access it with the GUI over the network? (ssh -Y)? -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@verizon.net cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://www.linuxcounter.net/) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Configuring a printer on a server without a GUI
I have a server here that has no GUI installed. No gnome, xfce, or any other. And I want to install a printer. It is an HP8610 and I have the url for it. I strangely thought that system-config-printer would work, but that also requires more than just a text window as I get: # system-config-printer Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused (system-config-printer.py:15388): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: Oh, yes, no monitor at ALL. Only a serial console or SSH terminal. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
- Original Message - > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Martín Marqués > wrote: > > 1) I had trouble getting the system to hibernate. There wasn't > > anything clear about the fact that you needed to have a swap bigger > > than the amount of memory you have. Also, it doesn't work if you have > > a file as swap (which was the easiest way to start testing) > > I don't think swap size has to be bigger than size of RAM. Arch Linux > has a good note on size of swap partition [1] which links to kernel > documentation[2]. I used to make 4GB of swap partition on a system > with 8GB of RAM on Arch Linux. Anaconda makes 7.6GB of swap partition > on same machine. > > Swap file does support hibernating. Again refer to Arch Linux wiki [3]. > > I have tried both of the above scenarios myself. I have switched to > Fedora and I use btrfs filesystem, so, I can't provide any more info. > I have Thinkpad T420i. I actually tried the swap size around Fedora 7 and RHEL 5, an found out RAM * 1.2 is sufficient. I have stuck which this configuration, and never have trouble since. -- Ding-Yi Chen Software Engineer Internationalization Group DID: +61 7 3514 8239 Email: dc...@redhat.com Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd Level 1, 193 North Quay Brisbane 4000 Office: +61 7 3514 8100 Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 Website: www.redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. Facebook: Red Hat APAC | Red Hat Japan | Red Hat Korea | JBoss APAC Twitter: Red Hat APAC | Red Hat ANZ LinkedIn: Red Hat APAC | JBoss APAC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: terminal spreadsheet - sc fork
- Original Message - > Hello there!! > I am working on a terminal spreadsheet based on "sc", but with some adds like > undo/redo.. > you can find it here: > https://github.com/andmarti1424/scim > Any new ideas and/or contribution is always welcome! > Thanks! > Andrés M. > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org The name actually collide with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Common_Input_Method (SCIM), which is also in Fedora. But generally I like the spreadsheet on terminal. -- Ding-Yi Chen Software Engineer Internationalization Group DID: +61 7 3514 8239 Email: dc...@redhat.com Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd Level 1, 193 North Quay Brisbane 4000 Office: +61 7 3514 8100 Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 Website: www.redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. Facebook: Red Hat APAC | Red Hat Japan | Red Hat Korea | JBoss APAC Twitter: Red Hat APAC | Red Hat ANZ LinkedIn: Red Hat APAC | JBoss APAC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Evolution 3.10.4 and Fedora 20
On Mon, 2014-11-10 at 10:10 -0600, Gregory P. Ennis wrote: > I had searched the evolution list, but did not see an entry similar to > my problem. Since this problem not only 'freezes' the evolution > display, but also freezes the entire gui, I thought starting here > would > be better. (Sorry about the use of 'freeze', but I can not think of a > better word). "Freeze" is fine as a description. Freezes can be caused by video card problems so it could be relevant to post what make and model you have. poc Patrick, The machines I have access to today is a Dell Optiplex 780, 745, and 755. There is one HP machine that I do not have access to this afternoon. 780 - VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller] 745 - VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q963/Q965 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) 780 - VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q963/Q965 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) 755 - VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Also, it should be noted that my observations were the same as John's in that I was first suspicious of Firefox along with gpaste. After removing gpaste and not accessing Firefox the only software that was consistently associated with the problem was evolution. I never noticed this on F16, F17, F18, F19, but John is correct in that this causes a real problem that is only solved by a reboot. Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is the deal with rpmfusion nvidia updates?
On 11/10/2014 06:53 AM, Neal Becker wrote: Joe Zeff wrote: On 11/09/2014 01:40 AM, Mike Chambers wrote: Try to install the new kernel first, then after, see if the new kmod will update. Speaking from experience, when you update the kernel, the new kmod (if available) is normally drawn in as a dependency. Except when, as I just showed, it isn't. Yes. Exactly, which is why I was very careful to qualify that by saying "normally." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Martín Marqués wrote: > 1) I had trouble getting the system to hibernate. There wasn't > anything clear about the fact that you needed to have a swap bigger > than the amount of memory you have. Also, it doesn't work if you have > a file as swap (which was the easiest way to start testing) I don't think swap size has to be bigger than size of RAM. Arch Linux has a good note on size of swap partition [1] which links to kernel documentation[2]. I used to make 4GB of swap partition on a system with 8GB of RAM on Arch Linux. Anaconda makes 7.6GB of swap partition on same machine. Swap file does support hibernating. Again refer to Arch Linux wiki [3]. I have tried both of the above scenarios myself. I have switched to Fedora and I use btrfs filesystem, so, I can't provide any more info. I have Thinkpad T420i. Hibernation can be useful when you know that you are travelling and won't use your laptop for certain number of hours. And when battery runs out suspend will kill everything and shutdown. [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Suspend_and_hibernate#About_swap_partition.2Ffile_size [2] https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/interface.txt [3] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Suspend_and_hibernate#Hibernation_into_swap_file -- Regards, Sudhir Khanger, sudhirkhanger.com, github.com/donniezazen, 5577 8CDB A059 085D 1D60 807F 8C00 45D9 F5EF C394. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is the deal with rpmfusion nvidia updates?
On 11/11/2014 01:53 AM, Neal Becker wrote: Joe Zeff wrote: On 11/09/2014 01:40 AM, Mike Chambers wrote: Try to install the new kernel first, then after, see if the new kmod will update. Speaking from experience, when you update the kernel, the new kmod (if available) is normally drawn in as a dependency. Except when, as I just showed, it isn't. Just my 2 cents worth, as I understand things the kernel does not have kmod-nvidia as a dependency, its the other way around, kmod-nvidia has a dependency on the kernel version it has been compiled for. For example, when I did a full system update yesterday the kernel was upgraded to the latest version available in the mirrors dnf is using and kmod-nvidia was upgraded to 3.16.6 at the same time, and then this morning rpm fusion notified of an upgrade to kmod-nvidia to 3.16.7. I have just done a normal 'dnf upgrade' which upgraded, in my case, kmod-nvidia and kmod-virtualbox both to 3.16.7. Just further to this I have also been in the situation where a kernel has been updated and kmod-nvidia has not and at boot time the nvidia driver would not start because the installed one was not compatible with the new kernel. My system was still usable because I could reboot into the older kernel that was compatible with the installed kmod-nvidia driver, but in addition, xorg also falls back to the nouveau driver if the nvidia driver doesn't work, and, if the nouveau driver is not available it falls back to the vga driver before it gives up. Having said this, compatibility between kmod-nvidia and the kernel is not that big a deal for me as I also have akmod-nvidia installed so the driver will be compiled and installed at boot time if necessary anyway. regards, Steve <>-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:42:07AM -0700, Pete Travis wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/10/2014 06:36 AM, Martín Marqués wrote: > > 2014-11-09 20:31 GMT-03:00 Pete Travis : > > I had a Dell laptop a which I bought about 4 years ago. I almost > > always suspended it (no hibernation) and when it got to 14 months > > (warrant was over) it died (hard die, like in motherboard chip got > > fried). > > > > The guy in Dell told me not to suspend the laptop, at least not for > > long periods of time, which really surprised me. > > Post hoc, ergo propter hoc? I've had Dell laptops from then, older, > newer. Suspend triggered by lid close was the normal disuse state for > all, with periodic hard halts due to battery depletion :) Generally, > some laptops fail, and some don't - unless there's an explicitly clear > impetus, ie prolonged dirty power or physical damage, there's a lot of > speculation involved. It seems to be more common with machines equipped > with heat-producing dedicated graphics, so I avoid them. > > > > > > About cold boot, well even if the cold boot is fast, there is lots of > > things I need to get starting before I start to work (ssh keys, login > > to monitoring systems, etc) which make a cold boot extremely tiresome. > > > >> On point 3, one would hope that resuming from hibernate didn't require > >> you to manually edit the grub configs every time :) I'm not well versed > >> in the area, but it smells like at least one bug/deficiency from here. > > > > This looks like a kernel bug, as you can specify a boot partition > > using UUID, so why not the one to resume from. > > > >> [1] > >> > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Power_Management_Guide/pr01s02.html > > > > Thanks. > > > Sure, just because hibernation has 'fallen out of favor' doesn't mean > you shouldn't expect it to work :) The kernel devs are good about > triage, filing a bug there would be a good start even if the kernel > isn't directly at fault (systemd, maybe?) Agreed, it SHOULD work, wherver possible (within constraints of weird/ broken hardware). I sometimes need to shut down a machine (laptop or desktop) temporarily while I have important stuff open or otherwise in progress, and do not want to lose it. Suspend isn't always suitable because you can't unplug a desktop to move it while in suspend, unless you don't mind losing what you're doing. And of course, if I NEEDED hibernate, suspend just wouldn't do. As a programmer myself, I understand (painfully, too often) that for any arbitrary situation one might find oneself stuck in, that some of the more attractive choices just won't do, and the really useful choice can be painful, so I DO have sympathy for people who would like to deprecate hibernate because the hardware situation is a big mess. -- --- .Fred Smith / ( /__ ,__. __ __ / __ : / // / /__) / / /__) .+' Home: fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us // (__ (___ (__(_ (___ / :__ 781-438-5471 Jude 1:24,25 - -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Evolution 3.10.4 and Fedora 20
On Mon, 2014-11-10 at 10:10 -0600, Gregory P. Ennis wrote: > I had searched the evolution list, but did not see an entry similar to > my problem. Since this problem not only 'freezes' the evolution > display, but also freezes the entire gui, I thought starting here > would > be better. (Sorry about the use of 'freeze', but I can not think of a > better word). "Freeze" is fine as a description. Freezes can be caused by video card problems so it could be relevant to post what make and model you have. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Yum whatprovides ??
On 11/09/2014 11:05 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: Mickey wrote: F20/KDE Trying to determine what package provides /Settings/System Settings/Display and Monitor ? kscreen -- Rex Rex, thanks for your reply, I was thinking that kscreen was part of a workspace.rpm i did not realize it was a RPM of it's own. I installed Fedora 20 on a friends computer and when you ran Kscreen to change to a lower resolution it would kick all the Icons that was on the left of screen, off the screen that was on the Desktop or Panel and you couldn't see any of them, including the Fedora Menu Icon. So I figured that it was a bad install of Kscreen, so I'm going to remove Kscreen and re-install it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
terminal spreadsheet - sc fork
Hello there!! I am working on a terminal spreadsheet based on "sc", but with some adds like undo/redo.. you can find it here: https://github.com/andmarti1424/scim Any new ideas and/or contribution is always welcome! Thanks! Andrés M. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/10/2014 06:36 AM, Martín Marqués wrote: > 2014-11-09 20:31 GMT-03:00 Pete Travis : >> >> >> Please file a bug[1] against the documentation you're referencing, >> probably the Power Management Guide? That will help the guide >> coordinator ensure that the issue is appropriately addressed. Point 1) >> seems especially relevant, that much should be explicitly clear. > > Will do so. Just wanted to get some impressions here before filing a bug. I see the bug - thanks! > >> fwiw, it seems like hibernation is generally falling out of favor these >> days. I know not everyone has newer systems, but those that do have >> machines that use shockingly little power on suspend, and cold boot >> faster than a resume from hibernate could ever achieve. > > I had a Dell laptop a which I bought about 4 years ago. I almost > always suspended it (no hibernation) and when it got to 14 months > (warrant was over) it died (hard die, like in motherboard chip got > fried). > > The guy in Dell told me not to suspend the laptop, at least not for > long periods of time, which really surprised me. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc? I've had Dell laptops from then, older, newer. Suspend triggered by lid close was the normal disuse state for all, with periodic hard halts due to battery depletion :) Generally, some laptops fail, and some don't - unless there's an explicitly clear impetus, ie prolonged dirty power or physical damage, there's a lot of speculation involved. It seems to be more common with machines equipped with heat-producing dedicated graphics, so I avoid them. > > > About cold boot, well even if the cold boot is fast, there is lots of > things I need to get starting before I start to work (ssh keys, login > to monitoring systems, etc) which make a cold boot extremely tiresome. > >> On point 3, one would hope that resuming from hibernate didn't require >> you to manually edit the grub configs every time :) I'm not well versed >> in the area, but it smells like at least one bug/deficiency from here. > > This looks like a kernel bug, as you can specify a boot partition > using UUID, so why not the one to resume from. > >> [1] >> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Power_Management_Guide/pr01s02.html > > Thanks. > Sure, just because hibernation has 'fallen out of favor' doesn't mean you shouldn't expect it to work :) The kernel devs are good about triage, filing a bug there would be a good start even if the kernel isn't directly at fault (systemd, maybe?) - -- - -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanet...@fedoraproject.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUYOrVAAoJEL1wZM0+jj2ZA/4IAKNHkJonhK8HJVepHrnyjFsg rSol2u5LfOOu/X+OZByHr5fZKsUBeI6LuHG046AdcJGACTvi1hDBVCD+ApmuzgHz /mdh/F0Pb0IVx5V7RTSZJHn6Uiq/c0j4rR3HcxmtHkZyp9oFo5HHCB1U6PRheJLN fSf1zUHmoAHvMN3UOy+hXeve6m1ur7q0trAxEizYsNEsDWXSsQlSqfgfRo5qZ3tB 0EjtRrjEq6At+fzHUsyYO+76w+UJZ4i80oZukeCIpANKfmcnmU3AGkdQ4t3oOJEI 1hhB0/dt/DPa4dm7LntpM52zSSpRGIarlPrTVgSrnjQSEtQ0xwtTrrjNEeBODUc= =/tID -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Evolution 3.10.4 and Fedora 20
On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 19:03 -0600, Gregory P. Ennis wrote: > Everyone, > > I have about 6 desktop's running F20 with evolution 3.10.4 that have had > problems related to the desktop gui 'freezing'. I can go to a terminal > interface by hitting F2, and when I toggle back to the gui > it is still not usable. The screen is filled with the last object > displayed in this case it is always evolution that does not respond, and > I am unable to switch to anything else on the gui. All panels are > unaddressable. > > At first I thought the problem was gpaste so I removed it on a test > desktop. The symptoms appeared less often but were still present. It > seems to hang with evolution. > > Has anyone else had this problem? Can anyone help me debug this. You don't say which desktop you're running. I run Evolution under KDE for example, and had some minor problems around when F20 was released, due to some missing Gnome packages. Not the same as what you describe, but still related to GUI issues. In any case, you might find it useful to ask on the Evolution list. See https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list poc Patrick, Thanks for your response. My mistake in not stipulating the desktop; I am using a gnome desktop. I had searched the evolution list, but did not see an entry similar to my problem. Since this problem not only 'freezes' the evolution display, but also freezes the entire gui, I thought starting here would be better. (Sorry about the use of 'freeze', but I can not think of a better word). Unfortunately, this problem is occurring on more than one machine, and it has happened to me as well; I would suspect that this affects others too. I will wait a couple of days before I post this on the evolution list to see if others have had this problem here. Thanks again for your response, Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Evolution 3.10.4 and Fedora 20
I have also observed this problem, not just in Evolution, but also in Firefox. In my case, the problem appears to be either (a) mail and web pages that contain images or videos that have problematic render engines on Linux, or (b) massive processor overload when web pages that have a large number of videos on them (such as Facebook) try to render them all simultaneously without limiting the resource utilization. Because the problems are across more than one client application, I suspect that the problem is actually an inability to limit resource utilization by the desktop - in my case Gnome. It has been like this for quite a few Fedora releases now, and other than getting away from Gnome, I'm not sure what else to do. On an underpowered dual-core, these lockups are devastating, and sometimes even require an ACPI reboot to recover from. On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote: > Everyone, > > I have about 6 desktop's running F20 with evolution 3.10.4 that have had > problems related to the desktop gui 'freezing'. I can go to a terminal > interface by hitting F2, and when I toggle back to the gui > it is still not usable. The screen is filled with the last object > displayed in this case it is always evolution that does not respond, and > I am unable to switch to anything else on the gui. All panels are > unaddressable. > > At first I thought the problem was gpaste so I removed it on a test > desktop. The symptoms appeared less often but were still present. It > seems to hang with evolution. > > Has anyone else had this problem? Can anyone help me debug this. > > Thank you for your help. > > Greg Ennis > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is the deal with rpmfusion nvidia updates?
Joe Zeff wrote: > On 11/09/2014 01:40 AM, Mike Chambers wrote: >> Try to install the new kernel first, then after, see if the new kmod >> will update. > > Speaking from experience, when you update the kernel, the new kmod (if > available) is normally drawn in as a dependency. Except when, as I just showed, it isn't. -- -- Those who don't understand recursion are doomed to repeat it -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
MAC privacy trail at IETF
This week at IETF, we are running a trial on MAC privacy. Fedora 20 users (like me!) are included in this trial. Basically the concern and goal is ablitity to track a system/user by the mac address; particularly since it is used in constructing the IPv6 address. The trial is explained here: https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/91privacy Scroll down to see how YOU can set up your system to help improve your privacy! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:36:27 -0300 Martín Marqués wrote: > 2014-11-09 20:31 GMT-03:00 Pete Travis : > > > About cold boot, well even if the cold boot is fast, there is lots of > things I need to get starting before I start to work (ssh keys, login > to monitoring systems, etc) which make a cold boot extremely tiresome. > You can achieve this with pm-suspend or pm-suspend-hybrid. BR, Bob -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
2014-11-09 20:31 GMT-03:00 Pete Travis : > > > Please file a bug[1] against the documentation you're referencing, > probably the Power Management Guide? That will help the guide > coordinator ensure that the issue is appropriately addressed. Point 1) > seems especially relevant, that much should be explicitly clear. Will do so. Just wanted to get some impressions here before filing a bug. > fwiw, it seems like hibernation is generally falling out of favor these > days. I know not everyone has newer systems, but those that do have > machines that use shockingly little power on suspend, and cold boot > faster than a resume from hibernate could ever achieve. I had a Dell laptop a which I bought about 4 years ago. I almost always suspended it (no hibernation) and when it got to 14 months (warrant was over) it died (hard die, like in motherboard chip got fried). The guy in Dell told me not to suspend the laptop, at least not for long periods of time, which really surprised me. About cold boot, well even if the cold boot is fast, there is lots of things I need to get starting before I start to work (ssh keys, login to monitoring systems, etc) which make a cold boot extremely tiresome. > On point 3, one would hope that resuming from hibernate didn't require > you to manually edit the grub configs every time :) I'm not well versed > in the area, but it smells like at least one bug/deficiency from here. This looks like a kernel bug, as you can specify a boot partition using UUID, so why not the one to resume from. > [1] > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Power_Management_Guide/pr01s02.html Thanks. -- Martín Marqués http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training & Services -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Evolution 3.10.4 and Fedora 20
On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 19:03 -0600, Gregory P. Ennis wrote: > Everyone, > > I have about 6 desktop's running F20 with evolution 3.10.4 that have had > problems related to the desktop gui 'freezing'. I can go to a terminal > interface by hitting F2, and when I toggle back to the gui > it is still not usable. The screen is filled with the last object > displayed in this case it is always evolution that does not respond, and > I am unable to switch to anything else on the gui. All panels are > unaddressable. > > At first I thought the problem was gpaste so I removed it on a test > desktop. The symptoms appeared less often but were still present. It > seems to hang with evolution. > > Has anyone else had this problem? Can anyone help me debug this. You don't say which desktop you're running. I run Evolution under KDE for example, and had some minor problems around when F20 was released, due to some missing Gnome packages. Not the same as what you describe, but still related to GUI issues. In any case, you might find it useful to ask on the Evolution list. See https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
