Re: User friendly proxy configuration

2014-11-17 Thread Bill Shirley

You can put this in your ~/.bashrc:
export http_proxy="http://127.0.0.1:3128";
export ftp_proxy="ftp://127.0.0.1:3128";

I'm not sure how many utilities use it but I think wget does.

Bill


On 11/16/2014 8:18 AM, Alexis Jeandet wrote:

Le 15/11/2014 07:17, Tim a écrit :

On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 13:55 +0100, Alexis Jeandet wrote:

my question was more about apps like YUM/DNF which doesn't care about
gnome config and doesn't like pac files. My thoughts are that I should
write maybe a simple scripts triggered by network manager which
configures everything depending on the current host IP or something
like this.

Have you looked through man yum.conf to see the proxy options?  Perhaps
you could write a network manager script to modify the yum.conf file
each time you go online, and something checks for the pac file.

This is the first thing I did, since YUM and DNF doesn't accept .pac
file, the current solution is that each time you change you change your
network you have to edit /etc/yum.conf or /etc/dnf/dnf.conf .
Anyway I think I got my answer, I will write the script.

The alternative option, if you don't want users to go around customising
things, is to use a transparent proxy, which everything goes through,
without option.

I do agree, but sadly my lab doesn't manage the proxy, we have to deal
with it and as it is.




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Re: Latest systemd news

2014-11-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

> Right. Like "systemd developers" have such an established track record of
> listening to feedback from the community,
>

That has no connection to what I said.  If you have already made up your
mind, that's fine but if you are wondering why it is implemented, the right
place to direct the question is to the developers and not in a user mailing
list of a distribution which doesn't even use the component at all yet.

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Re: Latest systemd news

2014-11-17 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Rahul Sundaram writes:


Hi

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Chris Adams wrote:

     Why did the systemd
   project add this to the scope of the project for "a system and service
   manager for Linux"? 



This was something that could have been easily asked to systemd developers  
rather than the long rant that was posted.  In any case,


Right. Like "systemd developers" have such an established track record of  
listening to feedback from the community, and the DNS cache was implemented  
only pursuant to an open, lengthy discussion on the merits and disadvantages  
of it.



https://lwn.net/Articles/621201/>https://lwn.net/Articles/621201/


Er… I don't think so.

The scenario outlined there would be a valid argument for a simple DNS  
proxy, and nothing more. I could see this being a perfectly reasonable, and  
prudent, argument for a simple DNS proxy, that all containers get pointed  
to, and which forwards the DNS queries to whatever the current outside DNS  
server the host is configured for, at the moment.


That makes perfect sense. A cobbled-together DNS cache, on the other hand,  
makes no sense, whatsoever. Reports of a compromised container poisoning the  
systemd DNS cache, and uses that to attack other containers on the same  
systems, in 3… 2… 1…


This is really nothing more than a NIH syndrome. Really, that's all this is.



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Re: Latest systemd news

2014-11-17 Thread Robert Moskowitz


On 11/17/2014 06:54 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:


Hi

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Chris Adamswrote:


  Why did the systemd
project add this to the scope of the project for "a system and service
manager for Linux"? 



This was something that could have been easily asked to systemd 
developers rather than the long rant that was posted.  In any case,


https://lwn.net/Articles/621201/

Also CoreOS sponsored development of a lot of network stack.  You can 
refer to their guides on how they are using it.


"already from the basic design resolved is very different from unbound. 
resolved keeps a seperate "scope" for the DNS servers on each interface. 
A "scope" is a resolver state machine plus a cache. That way, we can 
neatly separate VPN DNS servers from internet DNS servers, and merge 
them transparently. That means that with resolved in the mix for the 
first time you don't lose access to your LAN's DNS names, fully 
automatically, without any manual hacks. Also, as interfaces come and go 
their caches do too with this scheme, hence all the cache flushing 
complexity of dnssec-trigger doesn't exist at all. Then, because we 
actually implement LLMNR and DNS int he same stack (as well as mDNS very 
soon), we can transparently merge those protocols too."


For those of us that deal with VPNs, we know how hard split horizon is, 
and actually how important it is for good performance.  It is almost a 
shame it took until now for someone to address DNS by Interface.  
Actually it coincides with work in IETF on such matters.



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Re: Latest systemd news

2014-11-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Chris Adams wrote:

>
>   Why did the systemd
> project add this to the scope of the project for "a system and service
> manager for Linux"?


This was something that could have been easily asked to systemd developers
rather than the long rant that was posted.  In any case,

https://lwn.net/Articles/621201/

Also CoreOS sponsored development of a lot of network stack.  You can refer
to their guides on how they are using it.

Rahul
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Re: Latest systemd news

2014-11-17 Thread Frank Pikelner
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Chris Adams  wrote:

> Once upon a time, Juan Orti  said:
> > systemd-resolved is a daemon for resolving DNS. What's wrong about
> > caching? All DNS servers perform caching.
> >
> > It's like if you have unbound at 127.0.0.1 as local resolver, that's a
> > very common setup.
>
> Well, that's the point.  We already have multiple, perfectly functional,
> caching resolvers.  We have resolver libraries.  Why did the systemd
> project add this to the scope of the project for "a system and service
> manager for Linux"?  Why didn't they re-use existing services and/or
> libraries?  Why re-invent a wheel that happens to have a number of
> corner cases that can be tricky to get right (and a security problem if
> you get it wrong)?
>
>
In general DNS caching may be useful, but with other perfectly good
solution(s) (i.e. nscd) for Linux the implementation of the same in systemd
does not add value.
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Re: Latest systemd news

2014-11-17 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Juan Orti  said:
> systemd-resolved is a daemon for resolving DNS. What's wrong about
> caching? All DNS servers perform caching.
> 
> It's like if you have unbound at 127.0.0.1 as local resolver, that's a
> very common setup.

Well, that's the point.  We already have multiple, perfectly functional,
caching resolvers.  We have resolver libraries.  Why did the systemd
project add this to the scope of the project for "a system and service
manager for Linux"?  Why didn't they re-use existing services and/or
libraries?  Why re-invent a wheel that happens to have a number of
corner cases that can be tricky to get right (and a security problem if
you get it wrong)?

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Re: dd question (from man page)

2014-11-17 Thread Cameron Simpson

On 17Nov2014 13:22, Rick Stevens  wrote:

On 11/17/2014 11:28 AM, jd1008 issued this missive:

Man page says:
...
   fdatasync
  physically write output file data before finishing
   fsync  likewise, but also write metadata
There is no explanation about this, as dd is supposed to be agnostic
about the type of the data.
If a disk is being dd'ed  out to a file and the disk is mounted,
(which is a BD thing to do), then even there, dd is agnostic
about FS data and FS metadata.

So, what data and metadata is the manpage talking about?


I believe it's referring to LVM or BIOS RAID metadata.


Not at all. dd neither knows nor cares about the underlying disc metaphor 
(RAID, whatever). These two terms refer to the fdatasync and fsync system 
calls; see "man 2 fdatasync" and "man 2 fsync". To quote from the fdatasync 
manual entry:


   fdatasync() flushes all data buffers of a file to disk (before the system
   call returns).  It resembles fsync() but is not required to  update the
   metadata such as access time.

and has some followon discussion.

Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 

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Re: Latest systemd news

2014-11-17 Thread Juan Orti
El sáb, 15-11-2014 a las 08:53 -0500, Sam Varshavchik escribió:
> Making the rounds of various technical mailing lists yesterday, with a  
> subject that's typically a variation of "Just for yucks, and giggles" is a  
> link to a commit to systemd's git, adding DNS caching to systemd; in one,  
> huge 857 line glop. Here's its entire commit message: "resolved: add DNS  
> cache".

systemd-resolved is a daemon for resolving DNS. What's wrong about
caching? All DNS servers perform caching.

It's like if you have unbound at 127.0.0.1 as local resolver, that's a
very common setup.


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Re: dd question (from man page)

2014-11-17 Thread Rick Stevens
On 11/17/2014 11:28 AM, jd1008 issued this missive:
> Man page says:
> ...
> 
>fdatasync
>   physically write output file data before finishing
> 
>fsync  likewise, but also write metadata
> 
> 
> There is no explanation about this, as dd is supposed to be agnostic
> about the type of the data.
> 
> If a disk is being dd'ed  out to a file and the disk is mounted,
> (which is a BD thing to do), then even there, dd is agnostic
> about FS data and FS metadata.
> 
> So, what data and metadata is the manpage talking about?

I believe it's referring to LVM or BIOS RAID metadata.
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Re: Out of the Broadcom frying pan (DELL) to the fire (HP Envy)

2014-11-17 Thread poma
On 17.11.2014 19:46, jd1008 wrote:
> 
> On 11/17/2014 03:45 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote:
>> On Monday 17 November 2014 10:39:20 Heinz Diehl wrote:
>>> You could also grep for "BCM4352" in the latest kernel sourcetree.
>> What would that give me?
>>
>> I'm certainly not up to kernel hacking, that's beyond my abilities.
> It is not hacking.
> Just a download of the source rpm, installing the source RPM (rpm -ivh 
> fpm-file-name),
> cd to the SPECS directory, run the command
> rpmbuild -bp kernel.spec
> cd to where . BUILD/kernel-{version}
> there, run the command make xconfig
> and then search through the gui config for BCM4352 or bcm4352
> in case the search is case sensitive, and if found,
> enable the building of the driver, save and exit and run
> make all
> then make install
> 
> I wish there was a way to edit kernel.spec, or provide args to rpmbuild 
> to achieve the same thing
> I describe above.
> 
> 

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https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git/tree/drivers/ssb/b43_pci_bridge.c


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dd question (from man page)

2014-11-17 Thread jd1008

Man page says:
...

   fdatasync
  physically write output file data before finishing

   fsync  likewise, but also write metadata


There is no explanation about this, as dd is supposed to be agnostic
about the type of the data.

If a disk is being dd'ed  out to a file and the disk is mounted,
(which is a BD thing to do), then even there, dd is agnostic
about FS data and FS metadata.

So, what data and metadata is the manpage talking about?

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Re: Out of the Broadcom frying pan (DELL) to the fire (HP Envy)

2014-11-17 Thread jd1008


On 11/17/2014 03:45 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote:

On Monday 17 November 2014 10:39:20 Heinz Diehl wrote:

You could also grep for "BCM4352" in the latest kernel sourcetree.

What would that give me?

I'm certainly not up to kernel hacking, that's beyond my abilities.

It is not hacking.
Just a download of the source rpm, installing the source RPM (rpm -ivh 
fpm-file-name),

cd to the SPECS directory, run the command
rpmbuild -bp kernel.spec
cd to where . BUILD/kernel-{version}
there, run the command make xconfig
and then search through the gui config for BCM4352 or bcm4352
in case the search is case sensitive, and if found,
enable the building of the driver, save and exit and run
make all
then make install

I wish there was a way to edit kernel.spec, or provide args to rpmbuild 
to achieve the same thing

I describe above.


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Re: Clearing the unallocated disk space

2014-11-17 Thread jd1008


On 11/16/2014 09:58 PM, Tim wrote:

On Sun, 2014-11-16 at 22:17 -0600, g wrote:

hard disk drive manufactures _are_not_ NSA. you _are_not_ NSA.
  
they do not connect hdd's to computers and try to read drives to

see what is on them. to do so is a waist of their time.

There have been cases of people getting refurbished drives which did
have the previous owners data on them.

There's all sorts of data on a drive that you want to keep private,
without even thinking of nefarious reasons.  Personal mail, addresses,
family photos, insecurely cached data pertaining to banking, or other
data that can lead to identity theft.

If the drive was cheap enough, and you've had enough life out of it
before it went west, it's worth considering just wrecking it.  But if it
were fairly new, or horribly expensive, then I would consider wiping (or
filling it with junk files) and returning it.


Well, seeing how disk drive prices are coming down to earth,
destruction seems to be a much more viable alternative.
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Re: Clearing the unallocated disk space

2014-11-17 Thread jd1008


On 11/16/2014 09:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 2:04 PM, jd1008 mailto:jd1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Before sending the drive for warranty service, what is the best
way to clean the unallocated blocks?


If this is really important to you, just eat the cost of the drive and 
destroy it instead of sending it back.


If not modern drives provide a secure erase function and you should 
use that. You can use hdparm to do this.

Thank you Bruno.
I had come across some sites a couple of years ago that claimed all 
modern drives

have some number of gigabytes that are not touched by hdparm and are
also untouched by using dd /dev/zero into the unmounted disk.
How can anyone ascertain this unless one is a disk drive HW engineer
and can tell the pieces of electronics inside the disk, and even on it's 
controller.
If any part of this is true, then destruction seems to be the only 
alternative for

all security and privacy minded users.
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Linux Hardware Compatibility List (was: HP Envy ...)

2014-11-17 Thread Kenneth Marcy


On 11/17/2014 7:30 AM, Bill Oliver wrote:

<[snip]>


I'm thinking about replacing my aging laptop.  I remember a few years 
ago that there were some places that listed what laptops were and were 
not linux-friendly.


Is there a good site that lists the degree of fedora-friendliness for 
(relatively) recent laptop models?


The LinuxQuestions.org site maintains an HCL -- Hardware Compatibility List.

http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/


Ken

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Re: HP Envy Touchpad button problems

2014-11-17 Thread Bill Oliver

On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, fedora wrote:


Hi Gary
i own an HP EliteBook with similar touchpad as you describe. I followed the 
instructions in

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics
but was only partially happy, to say the least:

1. single tap as click left mouse button works practically always
2. two finder scroll works always
3. two finder tap as click right mouse button works  about 50%
4. three finder tap as click middle button works practically never.

suomi
[snip]


I'm thinking about replacing my aging laptop.  I remember a few years ago that 
there were some places that listed what laptops were and were not 
linux-friendly.

Is there a good site that lists the degree of fedora-friendliness for 
(relatively) recent laptop models?

billo
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Re: Clearing the unallocated disk space

2014-11-17 Thread Bill Oliver

On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Ed Greshko wrote:


On 11/17/14 12:58, Tim wrote:

There have been cases of people getting refurbished drives which did
have the previous owners data on them.


Do you have first hand knowledge of this or is this something you've just heard 
about?

The reason I ask this is I have a friend that worked at WD in the HD 
manufacturing and refurbishment area a few years back.  I had asked him about 
this very same thing.  He indicated that WD had very strict quality control and 
he couldn't think of a way it would pass through their processes with previous 
data still intact.

Or, maybe you're talking about cases where the drives aren't actually going 
back to the manufacturer?




Well, it's been reported a number of times.  See, for instance:

http://ask.slashdot.org/story/12/02/09/1525212/ask-slashdot-how-to-deal-with-refurbed-drives-with-customer-data

I've bought "refurbished" *computers* with data on them -- though it was clearly not the drive that was 
"refurbished."  There are still a lot of small computer stores, particularly in rural areas, that spiff up 
older boxes and sell them at a discount, and there are vendors at those things they hold at the state fairgrounds now 
and then who show up with piles of old laptops they sell for a song.  Those are all sold as "refurbished," 
but pretty much really mean "we vacuumed the keyboard and replaced the broken power connector."

billo
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Re: HP Envy Touchpad button problems

2014-11-17 Thread fedora

Hi Gary
i own an HP EliteBook with similar touchpad as you describe. I followed 
the instructions in

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics
but was only partially happy, to say the least:

1. single tap as click left mouse button works practically always
2. two finder scroll works always
3. two finder tap as click right mouse button works  about 50%
4. three finder tap as click middle button works practically never.

suomi

On 2014-11-17 12:31, Gary Stainburn wrote:

Onwards and upwards. I'm going for a micro USB WIFI adaptor to fix my wireless
problem so I'm now moving onto my touchpad.

The problem I have is that unlike traditional touch pads the left and right
mouse buttons on this laptop are part of the touch pad itself. The problem
I'm experiencing here is that when I press the lower left or lower right
corner to activate the mouse buttons the mouse pointer also moves.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

One option for the left button is a single tap of the pad.  This laptop is
(unfortunately) Win8 dual boot.  In Win8, if I tap the middle of the touch
pad, it acts like a left button click. Is there any way to do the same in
Linux - I'm using F20 with KDE.

Also, on the DELL I had the following script which turned on 3-button
emulation.

Anyone got any suggestions how I could do this better on the HP?

#!/bin/bash

X='/usr/bin/xinput'

for F in `$X list|grep Logitech|cut -d = -f 2|cut -c1-3` ; do
   $X set-prop $F "Evdev Middle Button Emulation" 1
done

Gary


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Re: Clearing the unallocated disk space

2014-11-17 Thread Tim
Tim:
>> There have been cases of people getting refurbished drives which did
>> have the previous owners data on them.

Ed Greshko:
> Do you have first hand knowledge of this or is this something you've
> just heard about?

I read about it on the internet, so it must be true...  ;-)  But
seriously, I should have said there's been "reports" of such a thing
"allegedly" happening, just to cover myself.  Of course we'll never know
if it's true, but I can see how it can happen by accident.  All it needs
is for someone dealing with a batch of drives, to accidentally skip a
step in handling incoming and outgoing, and one pending drive
erroneously becomes a done one.
> 
Are *all* manufacturer's strict about how they manage it?  Do some
people return a drive through their dealer, rather than straight back to
the manufacturer, and might a dealer not bother to properly handle it?

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Linux 3.17.2-200.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Tue Nov 4 18:28:00 UTC 2014 i686

All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying
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George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.

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HP Envy Touchpad button problems

2014-11-17 Thread Gary Stainburn
Onwards and upwards. I'm going for a micro USB WIFI adaptor to fix my wireless 
problem so I'm now moving onto my touchpad.

The problem I have is that unlike traditional touch pads the left and right 
mouse buttons on this laptop are part of the touch pad itself. The problem 
I'm experiencing here is that when I press the lower left or lower right 
corner to activate the mouse buttons the mouse pointer also moves.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

One option for the left button is a single tap of the pad.  This laptop is 
(unfortunately) Win8 dual boot.  In Win8, if I tap the middle of the touch 
pad, it acts like a left button click. Is there any way to do the same in 
Linux - I'm using F20 with KDE.

Also, on the DELL I had the following script which turned on 3-button 
emulation.

Anyone got any suggestions how I could do this better on the HP?

#!/bin/bash

X='/usr/bin/xinput'

for F in `$X list|grep Logitech|cut -d = -f 2|cut -c1-3` ; do   
   
  $X set-prop $F "Evdev Middle Button Emulation" 1  

  
done 

Gary
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Re: Out of the Broadcom frying pan (DELL) to the fire (HP Envy)

2014-11-17 Thread Gary Stainburn
On Monday 17 November 2014 10:39:20 Heinz Diehl wrote:
> You could also grep for "BCM4352" in the latest kernel sourcetree.

What would that give me?

I'm certainly not up to kernel hacking, that's beyond my abilities.
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Re: Out of the Broadcom frying pan (DELL) to the fire (HP Envy)

2014-11-17 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 17.11.2014, Gary Stainburn wrote: 

> I'll check again but I believe this is a new chipset and not yet supported

You could also grep for "BCM4352" in the latest kernel sourcetree.

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Re: Out of the Broadcom frying pan (DELL) to the fire (HP Envy)

2014-11-17 Thread Gary Stainburn
On Sunday 16 November 2014 22:03:51 jd1008 wrote:
>
> Gary, did you take a look at driver for all all broadcom b43xxx  ???
>
> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43

I'll check again but I believe this is a new chipset and not yet supported
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