Re: Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5 on Alienware laptop

2015-01-25 Thread Kenneth Marcy


On 1/25/2015 5:46 PM, don fisher wrote:
I have an Alienware 17-1 laptop that I would like to run Fedora linux 
on. The laptop has 2TB of disk, 32GB  of ram and NVIDIA GeForce GTX 
880M graphics, so I thought it would make a great development 
platform. I inserted the Fedora live DVD and booted. It asked If I 
wanted to check the disk, which I did. Next I started Fedora. It got 
to the point where the fedora logo is on the screen, and then 
disappeared. The fans came on, so I assumed it was doing something, 
but after about 5 minutes the system appeared to be still in the same 
state.


I don't have an Alienware machine to replicate your experience, but if 
your machine's BIOS has UEFI components, that might be a clue. Turn them 
off, and try again.  Or not, as you prefer.


In the past there has been an install image that is about 4.3GB large 
that guides the installation. I cannot find an similar image for F21. 
I have been away for awhile, so if this is well known please forgive 
me. I looked at the documentation and did not see any mention.


Another distribution, Mageia, has a recent set of beta 2 disks (one for 
KDE4, one for GNOME, and one for x86_64) for its fifth major release.  
The KDE4 and GNOME disks are Live-DVDs, and the x86_64 is a Core Release 
disk (3,776 MB).  If you have a DSL or better connection, you can have a 
fully-updated beta 2 installation of the next full release (Mageia 5) 
after a modest number of download hours for the Core Release and the 
development updates in the last couple of weeks.


Fair-warning: the Mageia developers are testing their extensions of the 
EFI booting process with this development release, so installation with 
your machine's default BIOS may go smoothly, or it may have to be 
returned to a legacy state for the installation.  I don't have an 
Alienware machine, so I can't tell you for certain. You can find more 
distribution information from


the DistroWatch.com page, http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=08770

or from the beta 2 page of the Mageia.org website: 
https://www.mageia.org/en/5/



Ken

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Re: Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5 on Alienware laptop

2015-01-25 Thread Joe Zeff

On 01/25/2015 09:17 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:


I remember the group selection, I did not remember that individual
packages were selectable.


Once you'd selected a group, you could open up the list of programs. 
Generally speaking there was a core group of programs and a list of 
optional extras.  As an example, there was a text editor group that 
always gave you vi (or maybe vim) but also allowed you to install joe, 
pico, nano and so on if that's what you really wanted.

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Re: Saving screenshots

2015-01-25 Thread jd1008


On 01/25/2015 04:57 PM, poma wrote:

On 25.01.2015 23:54, jd1008 wrote:

On 01/25/2015 02:59 PM, poma wrote:

On 25.01.2015 22:38, jd1008 wrote:

On 01/25/2015 01:27 PM, poma wrote:

On 25.01.2015 20:17, Kenneth Marcy wrote:
...

The easiest application into which to paste the image is the default one
that handles images of the type taken by whichever snapshot tool is
used.  For example, KSnapshot takes .png images, and Gwenview by default

...

Yes of course, Xfce4 Screenshooter
http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-screenshooter
will do the same and even more! :)



I've been using ssr-0.3.2-1.fc21.x86_64 screen recorder and it works
very well.
What I have been looking for is a live continuous screen recorder of the
screen,
sort of like a home made video, except is done by the software in the
computer.
Computer recording it's own screen :) :)


$ man 1 ffmpeg
 X11 grabbing

Show us the link when you're done.

Have you tried it?

http://goo.gl/Gm4ffO
Video


Does it lock up your laptop while recording high res (1920x1080) youtube
stream?

Nope. :)


I know how to save youtube vids. I was just wondering about how much
performance
does one need in a pc. My laptop is poor old 2 core pentium.


Try it yourself:
$ ffmpeg -f x11grab -s 1920x1080 -i :0 x11grab.webm



This works:

/bin/ffmpeg -f x11grab -framerate 15 -s 1280x800 -i :0.0 /tmp/out.webm

Of course, you might want to increase the framerate.
Only, I will have to find a way to grab the audio too.
Not sure what the audio input device would be.

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Re: Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5 on Alienware laptop

2015-01-25 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Joe Zeff writes:


On 01/25/2015 08:16 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Searching the dark corners of my mind, I don't really recall that there
were ever a lot of customizations one could do for a new install. As I
recall, you had a choice of picking major components or group of
packages to install, in very broad, and limited categories. You never
really had a lot of leeway in terms of package selection. The installer
was primarily occupied with setting up and partitioning the disks, for
the install.



Actually, I used to be able to decide which groups were installed, which  
weren't and which optional packages in the groups I wanted.  With a Live  
Image, it's all or nothing.


I remember the group selection, I did not remember that individual packages  
were selectable.


I can't really say if I like or dislike a Live-based approach to doing new  
installs. I think that the broad choices between the various spins will  
probably meet the need of the most users. It would be nice to add some GUI  
to select the individual packages, but it's easy enough to do it post- 
install.


A Live install is much faster. I remember that it took hours to install  
Fedora with a large package selection set. All the constant updating of the  
RPM database, with each installed package, burns up a lot of time. A Live  
install just copies the install image to the disk, which takes much less  
time. Plus, you now have a pretty good confidence level that the install  
system will boot. If the Live image boots, so will the install. I do  
remember how old Fedora installers used a stripped down, custom kernel  
config for the installer, and installed kernels that had minor problems  
coming up for real.




That's not to say that the spins are perfect. There are some glaring
holes. I installed the XFCE spin yesterday. You can't configure a
printer with the XFCE spin, as is.


Oh?  You mean that the web interface at http://127.0.0.1:631/ doesn't work?


I'm sure it works. But the printer is a network printer, that's not even on  
the local LAN segment, and adding a network printer via the web interface is  
clunky. You have to know its exact URL. You can't expect a non-technical  
user to do it that way. This is something that system-config-printer does in  
a much friendlier way.





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Re: F20 - broken ethernet setup in NetworkManager?

2015-01-25 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/26/15 12:42, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
> On 01/25/2015 11:09 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>> On 01/25/2015 09:36 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>> On 01/26/15 09:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 What else should I try?
>>> I don't use the command line interface to NM.
>>>
>>> But, if the only problem you're having is with PEERDNS not being set 
>>> correctly for you needs then why not just edit the appropriate ifcfg 
>>> accordingly?
>>
>> Thinking that.  Was suspecting that something would just change it back.
>
> Well I tried changing it, and nothing different happened.  Rebooted, and it 
> is back to PEERDNS=no
>
> So NM foo is controlling the content of this file.  Just like it is not 
> setting up /etc/resolv.conf as it should.
>

I have never encountered PEERDNS being changed once set.

Care to post the contents of your ifcfg?

With PEERDNS=no I always get the info in /etc/resolv.conf reflecting what is 
defined as DNSX= in the config.  And with PEERDNS=yes I always get the 
information being supplied by my DHCP server.


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Re: F20 - broken ethernet setup in NetworkManager?

2015-01-25 Thread Robert Moskowitz


On 01/25/2015 11:09 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


On 01/25/2015 09:36 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 01/26/15 09:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

What else should I try?

I don't use the command line interface to NM.

But, if the only problem you're having is with PEERDNS not being set 
correctly for you needs then why not just edit the appropriate ifcfg 
accordingly?


Thinking that.  Was suspecting that something would just change it back.


Well I tried changing it, and nothing different happened.  Rebooted, and 
it is back to PEERDNS=no


So NM foo is controlling the content of this file.  Just like it is not 
setting up /etc/resolv.conf as it should.




Hopefully time for the test before the night is out and tomorrow on 
yet another plane.





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Re: Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5 on Alienware laptop

2015-01-25 Thread Joe Zeff

On 01/25/2015 08:16 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Searching the dark corners of my mind, I don't really recall that there
were ever a lot of customizations one could do for a new install. As I
recall, you had a choice of picking major components or group of
packages to install, in very broad, and limited categories. You never
really had a lot of leeway in terms of package selection. The installer
was primarily occupied with setting up and partitioning the disks, for
the install.



Actually, I used to be able to decide which groups were installed, which 
weren't and which optional packages in the groups I wanted.  With a Live 
Image, it's all or nothing.




That's not to say that the spins are perfect. There are some glaring
holes. I installed the XFCE spin yesterday. You can't configure a
printer with the XFCE spin, as is.


Oh?  You mean that the web interface at http://127.0.0.1:631/ doesn't work?

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Re: Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5 on Alienware laptop

2015-01-25 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Joe Zeff writes:

So what you're saying is, there's no longer any installation form that you  
can customize as you install it.  If not, it just makes it less likely that  
I'd pick Fedora for a clean install, because I've never seen a Live Image  
that has what I need, or allows a custom partitioning scheme.


Searching the dark corners of my mind, I don't really recall that there were  
ever a lot of customizations one could do for a new install. As I recall,  
you had a choice of picking major components or group of packages to  
install, in very broad, and limited categories. You never really had a lot  
of leeway in terms of package selection. The installer was primarily  
occupied with setting up and partitioning the disks, for the install.


All the disk partitioning stuff still seems to be there. When you go to  
install the Live image, you still have the familiar options to set up the  
disks, and as far as software selection goes, I guess that translates to the  
choice of the live images to pick from: workstation, server, cloud, and the  
various spins.


That's not to say that the spins are perfect. There are some glaring holes.  
I installed the XFCE spin yesterday. You can't configure a printer with the  
XFCE spin, as is. The XFCE spin does not install system-config-printer, so  
there's absolutely no way to set up a printer, post-install. Huh? Of course,  
it's not a big deal to install system-config-printer yourself, but come on.  
This means that the XFCE live image can't print anything. You can't use the  
XFCE live spin to test if the printer works.




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Re: F20 - broken ethernet setup in NetworkManager?

2015-01-25 Thread Robert Moskowitz


On 01/25/2015 09:36 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 01/26/15 09:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

What else should I try?

I don't use the command line interface to NM.

But, if the only problem you're having is with PEERDNS not being set correctly 
for you needs then why not just edit the appropriate ifcfg accordingly?


Thinking that.  Was suspecting that something would just change it back.

Hopefully time for the test before the night is out and tomorrow on yet 
another plane.



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Re: F20 - broken ethernet setup in NetworkManager?

2015-01-25 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/26/15 10:32, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> And I just plugged in a F21 system via its ethernet, and it is getting the 
> right information in /etc/resolv.conf so there is something not working on 
> that F20 system...
>
> On 01/25/2015 08:24 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> Continuing saga.
>>
>> I have studied up on the nmcli commands.  If I do:
>>
>> nmcli dev show p6p1
>>
>> I see that:
>>
>> DHCP.OPTION[9]:domain_name = htt-consult.com
>> DHCP.OPTION[23]:  domain_name_servers = 192.168.224.2
>>
>> But /etc/resolv.conf, which according to the comment is Generated by 
>> NetworkManager has only commented lines.
>>
>> I rebooted.  No change in /etc/resolv.conf
>>
>> I mv /etc/resolv.conf elsewhere and rebooted.  No /etc/resolv.conf
>>
>> Now I have the WiFi radio off.  I turn it on, and it connects to my AP where 
>> the DHCP there creates an /etc/resolv.conf.  I turn the radio off, and the 
>> /etc/resolv.conf goes back to the empty /etc/resolv.conf (or rather only 
>> comment lines).
>>
>> The only thing I can see different between the 
>> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-Wired_Connection_1 and the WiFi one is 
>> that on the ethernet, PEERDNS=no and I can't find where this is set.
>>
>> What else should I try?
>>
>>
>

FWIW, I found out that F21 has available NetworkManager-tui which is a curses 
based interface to NetworkManager.  But, it seems incomplete.  For the options 
associated with addresses it only has the following available

Disabled
Automatic
Link-Local
Manual
Shared

While the GUI has

Automatic
Automatic (Only addresses)
Link-Local
Manual
Shared
Disabled

Since Automatic (Only addresses) is what gets you PEERDNS=no I suspect there is 
a deficiency in the command line tools.

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Re: Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5 on Alienware laptop

2015-01-25 Thread Joe Zeff

On 01/25/2015 06:50 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:


There are three separate installation images for "workstation",
"server", and "cloud" so-called "products". The "server" one seems to be
a traditional installer, but does not really install any desktop
components. Although they can always be installed manually, of course,
it's a pain. The "workstation" one seems to be a Live image.


So what you're saying is, there's no longer any installation form that 
you can customize as you install it.  If not, it just makes it less 
likely that I'd pick Fedora for a clean install, because I've never seen 
a Live Image that has what I need, or allows a custom partitioning scheme.

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Re: Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5 on Alienware laptop

2015-01-25 Thread Sam Varshavchik

don fisher writes:

I have an Alienware 17-1 laptop that I would like to run Fedora linux on.  
The laptop has 2TB of disk, 32GB  of ram and NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M  
graphics, so I thought it would make a great development platform. I  
inserted the Fedora live DVD and booted. It asked If I wanted to check the  
disk, which I did. Next I started Fedora. It got to the point where the  
fedora logo is on the screen, and then disappeared. The fans came on, so I  
assumed it was doing something, but after about 5 minutes the system  
appeared to be still in the same state.


In the past there has been an install image that is about 4.3GB large that  
guides the installation. I cannot find an similar image for F21. I have been  
away for awhile, so if this is well known please forgive me. I looked at the  
documentation and did not see any mention.


There are three separate installation images for "workstation", "server",  
and "cloud" so-called "products". The "server" one seems to be a traditional  
installer, but does not really install any desktop components. Although they  
can always be installed manually, of course, it's a pain. The "workstation"  
one seems to be a Live image.


Will Fedora work on an Alienware laptop? I though the since it was Dell it  
should. If so, what is the best way to load Fedora onto it? Is the fact that  
the live DVD failed telling me I am out of luck?


If the Live DVD failed to start, that's a fairly good indication that you  
have a problem. Going forward, Live-based new installs appear to be the way  
to go, with fedup handling the upgrade path. The good thing about it is that  
this gives you a fairly good way to figure out whether or not you have a  
compatibility problem with your hardware.


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Re: F20 - broken ethernet setup in NetworkManager?

2015-01-25 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/26/15 09:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> What else should I try?

I don't use the command line interface to NM.

But, if the only problem you're having is with PEERDNS not being set correctly 
for you needs then why not just edit the appropriate ifcfg accordingly? 

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Re: F20 - broken ethernet setup in NetworkManager?

2015-01-25 Thread Robert Moskowitz
And I just plugged in a F21 system via its ethernet, and it is getting 
the right information in /etc/resolv.conf so there is something not 
working on that F20 system...


On 01/25/2015 08:24 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

Continuing saga.

I have studied up on the nmcli commands.  If I do:

nmcli dev show p6p1

I see that:

DHCP.OPTION[9]:domain_name = htt-consult.com
DHCP.OPTION[23]:  domain_name_servers = 192.168.224.2

But /etc/resolv.conf, which according to the comment is Generated by 
NetworkManager has only commented lines.


I rebooted.  No change in /etc/resolv.conf

I mv /etc/resolv.conf elsewhere and rebooted.  No /etc/resolv.conf

Now I have the WiFi radio off.  I turn it on, and it connects to my AP 
where the DHCP there creates an /etc/resolv.conf.  I turn the radio 
off, and the /etc/resolv.conf goes back to the empty /etc/resolv.conf 
(or rather only comment lines).


The only thing I can see different between the 
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-Wired_Connection_1 and the WiFi 
one is that on the ethernet, PEERDNS=no and I can't find where this is 
set.


What else should I try?




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F20 - broken ethernet setup in NetworkManager?

2015-01-25 Thread Robert Moskowitz

Continuing saga.

I have studied up on the nmcli commands.  If I do:

nmcli dev show p6p1

I see that:

DHCP.OPTION[9]:domain_name = htt-consult.com
DHCP.OPTION[23]:  domain_name_servers = 192.168.224.2

But /etc/resolv.conf, which according to the comment is Generated by 
NetworkManager has only commented lines.


I rebooted.  No change in /etc/resolv.conf

I mv /etc/resolv.conf elsewhere and rebooted.  No /etc/resolv.conf

Now I have the WiFi radio off.  I turn it on, and it connects to my AP 
where the DHCP there creates an /etc/resolv.conf.  I turn the radio off, 
and the /etc/resolv.conf goes back to the empty /etc/resolv.conf (or 
rather only comment lines).


The only thing I can see different between the 
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-Wired_Connection_1 and the WiFi one 
is that on the ethernet, PEERDNS=no and I can't find where this is set.


What else should I try?


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Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5 on Alienware laptop

2015-01-25 Thread don fisher
I have an Alienware 17-1 laptop that I would like to run Fedora linux 
on. The laptop has 2TB of disk, 32GB  of ram and NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M 
graphics, so I thought it would make a great development platform. I 
inserted the Fedora live DVD and booted. It asked If I wanted to check 
the disk, which I did. Next I started Fedora. It got to the point where 
the fedora logo is on the screen, and then disappeared. The fans came 
on, so I assumed it was doing something, but after about 5 minutes the 
system appeared to be still in the same state.


In the past there has been an install image that is about 4.3GB large 
that guides the installation. I cannot find an similar image for F21. I 
have been away for awhile, so if this is well known please forgive me. I 
looked at the documentation and did not see any mention.


Will Fedora work on an Alienware laptop? I though the since it was Dell 
it should. If so, what is the best way to load Fedora onto it? Is the 
fact that the live DVD failed telling me I am out of luck?


Thanks,
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Re: Saving screenshots

2015-01-25 Thread jd1008


On 01/25/2015 04:57 PM, poma wrote:

On 25.01.2015 23:54, jd1008 wrote:

On 01/25/2015 02:59 PM, poma wrote:

On 25.01.2015 22:38, jd1008 wrote:

On 01/25/2015 01:27 PM, poma wrote:

On 25.01.2015 20:17, Kenneth Marcy wrote:
...

The easiest application into which to paste the image is the default one
that handles images of the type taken by whichever snapshot tool is
used.  For example, KSnapshot takes .png images, and Gwenview by default

...

Yes of course, Xfce4 Screenshooter
http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-screenshooter
will do the same and even more! :)



I've been using ssr-0.3.2-1.fc21.x86_64 screen recorder and it works
very well.
What I have been looking for is a live continuous screen recorder of the
screen,
sort of like a home made video, except is done by the software in the
computer.
Computer recording it's own screen :) :)


$ man 1 ffmpeg
 X11 grabbing

Show us the link when you're done.

Have you tried it?

http://goo.gl/Gm4ffO
Video


Does it lock up your laptop while recording high res (1920x1080) youtube
stream?

Nope. :)


I know how to save youtube vids. I was just wondering about how much
performance
does one need in a pc. My laptop is poor old 2 core pentium.


Try it yourself:
$ ffmpeg -f x11grab -s 1920x1080 -i :0 x11grab.webm



FWIW, I tried it. No go


$ ffmpeg -f x11grab -s 1920x1080 -i :0 x11grab.webm
ffmpeg -f x11grab -i :0  -s 1920x1080 x11grab.webm
ffmpeg version N-51556-ge278500 Copyright (c) 2000-2013 the FFmpeg 
developers

  built on Apr  4 2013 05:11:43 with gcc 4.6 (Debian 4.6.3-1)
  configuration: --prefix=/root/ffmpeg-static/32bit --arch=x86_32 
--extra-cflags='-m32 -I/root/ffmpeg-static/32bit/include -static' 
--extra-ldflags='-m32 -L/root/ffmpeg-static/32bit/lib -static' 
--extra-libs='-lxml2 -lexpat -lfreetype' --enable-static 
--disable-shared --disable-ffserver --disable-doc --enable-bzlib 
--enable-zlib --enable-postproc --enable-runtime-cpudetect 
--enable-libx264 --enable-gpl --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis 
--enable-libmp3lame --enable-gray --enable-libass --enable-libfreetype 
--enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libspeex --enable-libvo-aacenc 
--enable-libvo-amrwbenc --enable-version3 --enable-libvpx

  libavutil  52. 24.100 / 52. 24.100
  libavcodec 55.  2.100 / 55.  2.100
  libavformat55.  1.100 / 55.  1.100
  libavdevice55.  0.100 / 55.  0.100
  libavfilter 3. 49.100 /  3. 49.100
  libswscale  2.  2.100 /  2.  2.100
  libswresample   0. 17.102 /  0. 17.102
  libpostproc52.  2.100 / 52.  2.100
Unknown input format: 'x11grab'

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Re: Saving screenshots

2015-01-25 Thread poma
On 25.01.2015 23:54, jd1008 wrote:
> 
> On 01/25/2015 02:59 PM, poma wrote:
>> On 25.01.2015 22:38, jd1008 wrote:
>>> On 01/25/2015 01:27 PM, poma wrote:
 On 25.01.2015 20:17, Kenneth Marcy wrote:
 ...
> The easiest application into which to paste the image is the default one
> that handles images of the type taken by whichever snapshot tool is
> used.  For example, KSnapshot takes .png images, and Gwenview by default
 ...

 Yes of course, Xfce4 Screenshooter
 http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-screenshooter
 will do the same and even more! :)


>>> I've been using ssr-0.3.2-1.fc21.x86_64 screen recorder and it works
>>> very well.
>>> What I have been looking for is a live continuous screen recorder of the
>>> screen,
>>> sort of like a home made video, except is done by the software in the
>>> computer.
>>> Computer recording it's own screen :) :)
>>>
>> $ man 1 ffmpeg
>> X11 grabbing
>>
>> Show us the link when you're done.
> Have you tried it?

http://goo.gl/Gm4ffO
Video

> Does it lock up your laptop while recording high res (1920x1080) youtube 
> stream?

Nope. :)

> I know how to save youtube vids. I was just wondering about how much 
> performance
> does one need in a pc. My laptop is poor old 2 core pentium.
> 

Try it yourself:
$ ffmpeg -f x11grab -s 1920x1080 -i :0 x11grab.webm


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Re: Unwanted screen lock

2015-01-25 Thread Philip Keogh

On Sun, 25 Jan 2015, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

The XFCE spin installs xscreensaver, and that's what I got. I have the
locking option turn off both in xscreensaver and in power management,
yet the laptop still wakes up with the display locked. Annoying.



Right - so if you don't feel like manually debugging your config files
(forget the GUI utilities) just replace xflock4/xscreensaver with an
empty script, or a wrapper that ignores -lock.

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Re: Unwanted screen lock

2015-01-25 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Philip Keogh writes:


On Sun, 25 Jan 2015, Philip Keogh wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2015, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

I installed the F21 XFCE spin. When the laptop wakes up after a
suspend, the screen is locked, with a password prompt.

I've disabled the option to lock the screen both in the XFCE Power
Manager, and in screensaver settings, but the display is still locked.
Anyone has any idea why the screen is still locked?



Did you ensure light-locker was removed, along with the
light-locker.desktop entry in the autostart folder?



Fedora 21 xfce uses xflock4 actually - it hasn't shifted to light-locker
(a gnome-screensaver fork) as Xubuntu did. xscreensaver is also
installed, and has a -lock option which may be utilized elsewhere too.


The XFCE spin installs xscreensaver, and that's what I got. I have the  
locking option turn off both in xscreensaver and in power management, yet  
the laptop still wakes up with the display locked. Annoying.




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Re: Wireless can't ping wireless (even more info)

2015-01-25 Thread Jim Lewis

> On 01/25/15 12:46, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> When in this condition, what is the output of "arp" on big4?
>
> I meant "arp -n"
>

 Great idea Ed! It's been years since I worked on Ethernet drivers for IBM
and forgot all about that command. Checking man it shows arp to be
obsolete so I used ip:

big4 /temp # ip -s neigh
fe80::9afc:11ff:fe83:6dfe dev eth0 lladdr 98:fc:11:83:6d:fe router ref 1
used 1364540/1364600/1 STALE
192.168.1.111 dev eth0  ref 1 used 140/200/137 FAILED
192.168.1.1 dev eth0 lladdr 98:fc:11:83:6d:fe ref 31 used 71/11/44 REACHABLE

  As you can see laptop1 at 192.168.1.111 cannot be pinged by big4. Now I
will ping big4 from laptop1:
laptop1 ~ # ping -c 1 192.168.1.109
PING 192.168.1.109 (192.168.1.109) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.1.109: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.666 ms

--- 192.168.1.109 ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.666/0.666/0.666/0.000 ms

 Now running the ip command again from big4:

big4 /temp # ip -s neigh
fe80::9afc:11ff:fe83:6dfe dev eth0 lladdr 98:fc:11:83:6d:fe router ref 1
used 1364856/1364916/1 STALE
192.168.1.111 dev eth0 lladdr 00:23:4e:df:d1:5d ref 3 used 47/47/32 STALE
192.168.1.1 dev eth0 lladdr 98:fc:11:83:6d:fe ref 25 used 23/11/1 REACHABLE

  Of course the ping/ssh work now as well. Will look at new routers tomorrow.


Jim Lewis



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Re: Saving screenshots

2015-01-25 Thread jd1008


On 01/25/2015 02:59 PM, poma wrote:

On 25.01.2015 22:38, jd1008 wrote:

On 01/25/2015 01:27 PM, poma wrote:

On 25.01.2015 20:17, Kenneth Marcy wrote:
...

The easiest application into which to paste the image is the default one
that handles images of the type taken by whichever snapshot tool is
used.  For example, KSnapshot takes .png images, and Gwenview by default

...

Yes of course, Xfce4 Screenshooter
http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-screenshooter
will do the same and even more! :)



I've been using ssr-0.3.2-1.fc21.x86_64 screen recorder and it works
very well.
What I have been looking for is a live continuous screen recorder of the
screen,
sort of like a home made video, except is done by the software in the
computer.
Computer recording it's own screen :) :)


$ man 1 ffmpeg
X11 grabbing

Show us the link when you're done.

Have you tried it?
Does it lock up your laptop while recording high res (1920x1080) youtube 
stream?
I know how to save youtube vids. I was just wondering about how much 
performance

does one need in a pc. My laptop is poor old 2 core pentium.



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Re: Unwanted screen lock

2015-01-25 Thread Philip Keogh

On Sun, 25 Jan 2015, Philip Keogh wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2015, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

I installed the F21 XFCE spin. When the laptop wakes up after a
suspend, the screen is locked, with a password prompt.

I've disabled the option to lock the screen both in the XFCE Power
Manager, and in screensaver settings, but the display is still locked.
Anyone has any idea why the screen is still locked?



Did you ensure light-locker was removed, along with the
light-locker.desktop entry in the autostart folder?



Fedora 21 xfce uses xflock4 actually - it hasn't shifted to light-locker
(a gnome-screensaver fork) as Xubuntu did. xscreensaver is also
installed, and has a -lock option which may be utilized elsewhere too.

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Re: Unwanted screen lock

2015-01-25 Thread Philip Keogh

On Sun, 25 Jan 2015, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

I installed the F21 XFCE spin. When the laptop wakes up after a
suspend, the screen is locked, with a password prompt.

I've disabled the option to lock the screen both in the XFCE Power
Manager, and in screensaver settings, but the display is still locked.
Anyone has any idea why the screen is still locked?



Did you ensure light-locker was removed, along with the
light-locker.desktop entry in the autostart folder?

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Re: Saving screenshots

2015-01-25 Thread poma
On 25.01.2015 22:38, jd1008 wrote:
> 
> On 01/25/2015 01:27 PM, poma wrote:
>> On 25.01.2015 20:17, Kenneth Marcy wrote:
>> ...
>>> The easiest application into which to paste the image is the default one
>>> that handles images of the type taken by whichever snapshot tool is
>>> used.  For example, KSnapshot takes .png images, and Gwenview by default
>> ...
>>
>> Yes of course, Xfce4 Screenshooter
>> http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-screenshooter
>> will do the same and even more! :)
>>
>>
> I've been using ssr-0.3.2-1.fc21.x86_64 screen recorder and it works 
> very well.
> What I have been looking for is a live continuous screen recorder of the 
> screen,
> sort of like a home made video, except is done by the software in the 
> computer.
> Computer recording it's own screen :) :)
> 

$ man 1 ffmpeg
   X11 grabbing

Show us the link when you're done.

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Re: Unwanted screen lock

2015-01-25 Thread poma
On 25.01.2015 19:01, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> I installed the F21 XFCE spin. When the laptop wakes up after a suspend, the  
> screen is locked, with a password prompt.
> 
> I've disabled the option to lock the screen both in the XFCE Power Manager,  
> and in screensaver settings, but the display is still locked. Anyone has any  
> idea why the screen is still locked?
> 


All the same setting, works as expected:

- Power Manager (xfce4-power-manager-settings)
System
  Security
Lock screen when system is going for sleep

- Session and Startup (xfce4-session-settings)
Advanced
  Shutdown
Lock screen before sleep

- Settings Editor (xfce4-settings-editor)
Channel
  xfce4-session
shutdown
  LockScreen
Channel
  xfce4-power-manager
lock-screen-suspend-hibernate


xfce4-power-manager-1.4.2-4.git20141230.fc21.x86_64
xfce4-session-4.11.1-6.git20141226.fc21.x86_64
xfce4-settings-4.11.3-9.git20141228.fc21.x86_64
gnome-screensaver-3.6.1-26.git20140404.fc21.x86_64


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Re: Saving screenshots

2015-01-25 Thread jd1008


On 01/25/2015 01:27 PM, poma wrote:

On 25.01.2015 20:17, Kenneth Marcy wrote:
...

The easiest application into which to paste the image is the default one
that handles images of the type taken by whichever snapshot tool is
used.  For example, KSnapshot takes .png images, and Gwenview by default

...

Yes of course, Xfce4 Screenshooter
http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-screenshooter
will do the same and even more! :)


I've been using ssr-0.3.2-1.fc21.x86_64 screen recorder and it works 
very well.
What I have been looking for is a live continuous screen recorder of the 
screen,
sort of like a home made video, except is done by the software in the 
computer.

Computer recording it's own screen :) :)

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Re: Saving screenshots

2015-01-25 Thread poma
On 25.01.2015 20:17, Kenneth Marcy wrote:
...
> The easiest application into which to paste the image is the default one 
> that handles images of the type taken by whichever snapshot tool is 
> used.  For example, KSnapshot takes .png images, and Gwenview by default 
...

Yes of course, Xfce4 Screenshooter
http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-screenshooter
will do the same and even more! :)


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Unwanted screen lock

2015-01-25 Thread Sam Varshavchik
I installed the F21 XFCE spin. When the laptop wakes up after a suspend, the  
screen is locked, with a password prompt.


I've disabled the option to lock the screen both in the XFCE Power Manager,  
and in screensaver settings, but the display is still locked. Anyone has any  
idea why the screen is still locked?




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Re: Saving screenshots

2015-01-25 Thread Kenneth Marcy


On 1/24/2015 3:29 PM, Alex Regan wrote:

Hi,
I'm having a problem with tigervnc and would like to take a screenshot 
of the error message to file a bug report. I know how to take 
screenshots, but where are they saved?


The answer depends on the environment installed.  I just did this within 
KDE by using KSnapshot to save an image to my home directory.  A click 
on Dolphin indicated the file size of the file was too big for a bug 
report, so I double-clicked the image, and it appeared in Gwenview.  
Shift-S or Edit/Crop put the image in a window with square handles in 
the centers of the sides, so pulling the handles inward to enclose the 
desired section does the edit, clicking the crop button at the bottom 
creates a new file with just that image, and then Cntrl-Shift-S or 
File/SaveAs opens the dialog to name and save the bug image.  The final 
file size is considerably reduced from the original snapshot, so more 
appropriate for a bugzilla attachment.


If they're just in the cut buffer, what app can I use to paste them in 
to? I'd rather not have to install GIMP just for this


The easiest application into which to paste the image is the default one 
that handles images of the type taken by whichever snapshot tool is 
used.  For example, KSnapshot takes .png images, and Gwenview by default 
on my system handles .png images, so saving the snapshot to check its 
file size allows an easy opening in the default tool to crop the image 
and remove the unnecessary areas and size.  Saving the cropped image has 
prepared the needed bug file attachment.



Ken

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Re: fedora 20 to 21

2015-01-25 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Patrick Dupre writes:


Hello,

I wish to update a fedora 20 installation to 21 by using a DVD.
Is it possible?


Yes.


Actually, I burn a DVD bootable server fedora 21, but I did not find
the option update.
When I go to installation
then System, I can select my hard drive and manually partitioning
I can see the installed system (/ /boot and swap)
I can install fedora 21 but not on the same partition (I can reuse /boot)
I have to install it on a new /
I cannot have a mounting point / on the old fedora /
This seems to indicate that I cannot upgrade from this DVD.
How do you update a fedora 20 without network?


Boot Fedora 20, first. The existing Fedora 20 server must be up to date with  
the latest packages installed, including the "fedup" package.


Run the fedup command and use the --device option.

See  
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp#How_Can_I_Upgrade_My_System_with_FedUp.3F

for more information.



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Re: initscripts

2015-01-25 Thread poma
On 23.01.2015 16:02, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 06:44:08PM +0100, poma wrote:
>>
>> Lukáš 'Allo 'Allo
>>
>> I see that some people are trying to "modernize" Fedora.
>> But what about RHEL relictum - initscripts, particularly now that we have 
>> NetworkManager/ModemManager and systemd-networkd, 
>> when will this package "fall off"?
> We're slowly working on removing things from initscripts.
> initscripts' main part is not /etc/init.d/networking, which is
> still widely used and I think will stay around for a while.
> So no, initscripts is not going away. Just the name is becoming
> more and more irrelevant.
> 
> Zbyszek
> 

Who is this "we"? :)
I also think, at least I hope, but what is the real agenda, not speculation?

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Re: Saving screenshots

2015-01-25 Thread poma
On 25.01.2015 16:46, Robert Nichols wrote:
> On 01/25/2015 06:08 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
>> There is no Ctrl+PrtSc shortcut related to gnome-screenshot. Some of the
>> common GNOME shortcuts are available here [1].
>>
>> Due to cognitive overload a user might had to face when a prompts shows up
>> asking user to save screenshot, the complete interface was deprecated. Now 
>> all
>> screenshots are saved for your convenience in ~/Pictures folder.
>>
>> [1] 
>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en
> 
> Jeez, what's next -- automatically send it to Kinko's**, perhaps?
> After all, you did ask to have the screen "printed".
> 

Perhaps "Google Cloud Shot"!?


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Re: Saving screenshots

2015-01-25 Thread Robert Nichols

On 01/25/2015 06:08 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote:

There is no Ctrl+PrtSc shortcut related to gnome-screenshot. Some of the
common GNOME shortcuts are available here [1].

Due to cognitive overload a user might had to face when a prompts shows up
asking user to save screenshot, the complete interface was deprecated. Now all
screenshots are saved for your convenience in ~/Pictures folder.

[1] 
https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en


Jeez, what's next -- automatically send it to Kinko's**, perhaps?
After all, you did ask to have the screen "printed".

** For those who don't recognize the name, "Kinko's" is the old name
   for a chain of stores that offered a copying/printing service.  They
   are now, "FedEx Office Print & Ship services, Inc."
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Re: question about cd text

2015-01-25 Thread poma
On 25.01.2015 14:01, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:

> You might be thinking of a cue sheet, which ist a plain text file with a 
> reference to an audio file (or multiple files).

Klaus, attempt to read what was the original "problem". :)
OP only confuses himself and just because you want to help, do not fall into 
the same confusion.

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Re: Replacement for rc.local

2015-01-25 Thread poma
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Re: Replacement for rc.local

2015-01-25 Thread poma
On 25.01.2015 01:36, Alex Regan wrote:

> The commands I want to run are:
> 
> for i in /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/autosuspend; do echo 2 > $i; done
> 

A deuce is the default
$ cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/autosuspend|uniq


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WiFi

2015-01-25 Thread poma
On 25.01.2015 00:05, Stephen Morris wrote:
...
> pci adapter. The only problem I have now is that it is very hard to get 
> devices that support Linux from retail stores.

Help yourself with these two references to search:
http://wireless.kernel.org
https://wikidevi.com


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Re: question about cd text

2015-01-25 Thread Klaus-Peter Schrage

Am 24.01.2015 um 06:34 schrieb Tim:

On Fri, 2015-01-23 at 12:09 +0100, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:

you can't build an "iso", as there are no isos for audio cds,
but I may be corrected

Not an "iso," as such, but it's possible to build an image of what will
be burnt onto an audio CD, though I can't remember if there's a specific
name for that.  That used to be how it was done (an audio data image,
with a table of contents file), until things got nicely automated for
users.  Unfortunately, the automated burner thingies tend to omit giving
you a way to burn more than one disc without recreating each one, each
time, wasting a hell of a lot of time.


You might be thinking of a cue sheet, which ist a plain text file with a 
reference to an audio file (or multiple files).
Here are the first lines of an example (this way I make backups of my 
audio cd collection on my computer, each cd "image" consisting of a 
single flac file and the corresponding cue file):


   REM GENRE World
   REM DATE 2008
   REM DISCID D40F320F
   REM COMMENT "ExactAudioCopy v1.0b1"
   CATALOG 0825646927876
   PERFORMER "Amadou & Mariam"
   TITLE "Welcome To Mali"
   FILE "Welcome to Mali.flac" WAVE
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "Sabali"
PERFORMER "Amadou & Mariam"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "Ce N'Est Pas Bon"
PERFORMER "Amadou & Mariam"
INDEX 01 03:16:47
   ...


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Re: Saving screenshots

2015-01-25 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Saturday, January 24, 2015 07:06:21 PM Alex Regan wrote:
> I experimented a bit, and alt-prtscrn and shft-prtscrn do save a file to 
> ~/Pictures. ctrl-prtsrn does not. That's what I was using when reported 
> having a problem. I still have no idea where that goes, but it's okay.
> 
> gnome-screenshot does save to ~/Pictures, and using -i does 
> interactively prompt you where to save.
> 
> Sometimes I just don't understand why the defaults that were chosen are 
> used.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex

There is no Ctrl+PrtSc shortcut related to gnome-screenshot. Some of the 
common GNOME shortcuts are available here [1].

Due to cognitive overload a user might had to face when a prompts shows up 
asking user to save screenshot, the complete interface was deprecated. Now all 
screenshots are saved for your convenience in ~/Pictures folder.

[1] 
https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en


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fedora 20 to 21

2015-01-25 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello,

I wish to update a fedora 20 installation to 21 by using a DVD.
Is it possible?
Actually, I burn a DVD bootable server fedora 21, but I did not find
the option update.
When I go to installation
then System, I can select my hard drive and manually partitioning
I can see the installed system (/ /boot and swap)
I can install fedora 21 but not on the same partition (I can reuse /boot)
I have to install it on a new /
I cannot have a mounting point / on the old fedora /
This seems to indicate that I cannot upgrade from this DVD.
How do you update a fedora 20 without network?

Thank.

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Re: Wireless can't ping wireless (even more info)

2015-01-25 Thread poma
On 25.01.2015 04:16, Jim Lewis wrote:

>   I guess the only bad thing about spending time on crap like this is I
> used to get paid real money to debug and fix crap like this :).
> 

There ain't no such lunch as a free thing.


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Re: Why does Anaconda overrides user decisions?

2015-01-25 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Tim  wrote:
> On Fri, 2015-01-23 at 13:23 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> Using the 4 partitions as primary is bad practice because it prevents
>> additional partitions for no good reason. There isn't a negative to
>> having extended partitions, GRUB can even boot from a /boot partition
>> on an extended partition.
>
> Until you come to repartitioning a disc when you want to keep some of
> the stuff on it.  I've had discs where I wanted to remove the extended
> partition, and keep the first normal partition, then re-use the rest of
> the disc.  It refused to delete the extended partition because it
> insisted that there was a virtual partition inside it, but there wasn't.

When you say "it refused" what's it? Sounds like a bug though. EBRs
are really simple things, there's nothing magical about them, but an
EBR defines both its own partition start-end, and points to the next
EBR. So it's possible an EBR points to a corrupt EBR and that triggers
the problem. And it might even be a sort of mis-feature designed to
keep the user from inadvertently deleting something in such an
ambiguous state. Anyway, it's kinda hard to know what's going on here
without an actual example: partition data and what tool is rejecting
the modification.


> It's a horrid scheme, only surpassed in evilness by the bastard LVM.

OK well, it at least solves the non-contiguous regions problem of
partitions by presenting those regions as if they were contiguous. So
if you're going to reject MBR, EBR and LVM, you're left with GPT.
While that has redundant and checksummed partition data, it doesn't
solve the discontiguous space issue. And you're at the whim of your
firmware, whether it'll tolerate GPT without face planting.

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Re: open source - drawing/online app

2015-01-25 Thread g


On 01/24/2015 11:19 PM, bruce wrote:
> Hey guys.
>
> I know, this has nothing to do directly with Fed. However, I'm
> looking for a good/free online app that can be used to do network
> diagrams.
<>
> If anyone has a good/free online soln, feel free to let me know!!

have a look at these links;

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_network_diagram_software

native:
  https://www.masshandra.com/
wine:
  http://www.mikrotik.com/thedude
  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/index.php?title=Manual:The_Dude&redirect=no

more info:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_network_diagram_software
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_network_diagram
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Computer_networking

hth.


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Re: Saving screenshots

2015-01-25 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 25.01.2015, Alex Regan wrote: 

> If they're just in the cut buffer, what app can I use to paste them in to?
> I'd rather not have to install GIMP just for this

Maybe you *should* use GIMP, because it handles such cases in an extremely 
convenient way.
You could just press Shift+Ctrl+V ("create new file from clipboard") and you're 
done.

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Re: Load Kernel Modules Failure

2015-01-25 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 25.01.2015, Stephen Morris wrote: 

> Immediately after booting from the grub menu in F21 the first message I
> get is   'Failure to start Load Kernel Modules'.  Does anyone know what this
> message means and how I rectify it?

Welcome to another systemd madness!

First, check if "systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service" can give you 
any useful
output. Eventually, this is what causes the above message, as far as I can see.

Does your machine boot? If it does, you could have missing module dependencies
in initrd. Also take a look into /etc/modules-load.d/ if there is something 
added which has
missing dependencies. If you are able to detect what's missing, you could load 
it
manually and recreate a new initrd (dracut -f).

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