Re: helved packard pavilion 500
I prefer to put OS on internal HD, I am custom to use external HDs only for data We should need to know very well also what is the environment of the commercial products... [?]but this will be for the next time ... Now I have problem with the memory configuration, doing the installation. I always used a full HD, and I got an automatic configuration of the memory storage. But this time Windows and Fedora are both on the same HD and I have to do custom configuration of space of memory. I prepared a partition for Fedora (about 500 GB), but this is not enough.. At the step "Installation destination" I get : -- "error: checking storage configuration ": You have not defined a root partition(/) which is required for installation of Fedora to continue. You have not created a bootable partition. Your bios based system need a special partition to boot from a GPT disk label. to continue, please create a MiB biosboot type partition. You have not specified a swap partition. Although not strictly required in all cases, it will significtivally improve performance for most installation -- I know quite well what the problems are related to these errors (although not in all the details). But I do not understand whether I have to change the fundamental structure of the partitions that have already done *(500 GB to 500 GB for Windows and Fedora) before starting the installation * or if the installation itself allows you to make choices appropriate to define this particular memory configuration. ... I do not see a chance to interact with the program to implement the required choices. And, in the case I need to prepare the partitions in one way different than I already prepared, I do not know how to do this ... On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 03/11/2015 04:38 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > >> On 11.03.2015, Angelo Moreschini wrote: >> >> I am not sure if 1 TB is enough for use Windows and Fedora. >>> >> >> It is more than enough. >> > > I agree. On my laptop (750GB hard drive, quad-core Intel, 8G RAM), I > run F21 (Xfce) and often run two virtual machines on it at the same > time via libvirtd (qemu or kvm...depends). > > > -- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - > -- > - If it's stupid and it works...it ain't stupid! - > -- > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: helved packard pavilion 500
On 12/03/15 21:22, Angelo Moreschini wrote: ... > I do not see a chance to interact with the program to implement the > required choices. Are you preparing to install Fedora 21 ? 500 GB is way large enough, for example my current installation of the system partitions is: df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda3 39G 27G 9.4G 75% / /dev/sda1 2.0G 604M 1.3G 33% /boot /dev/sdc2 40G 34G 5.9G 86% /var (I have /var on a separate disk and partition due to the main disk being an SSD; this avoids potential problems with data on /var that is often being re-written. It also contains package mockbuild caches for F19,F20,F21, EL5, EL6, EL7 totaling 4.8GB, and some virtual machines.) /dev/mapper/vg1-home_vg1 643G 643G 713M 100% /home (could be as small as say 20G; you may also like to mount your windows partition to use data files from it - this would give more space). I have 3577 rpm packages installed. [rpm -qa|wc -l], so this is quite a large install. > And, in the case I need to prepare the partitions in one way > differentthan I already prepared, I do not know how to do this ... It would help if we were able to see how the disk is currently partitioned. You could boot a Fedora rescue image (to text mode), and then list the current layout of the first sata disk by: # fdisk -l /dev/sda , and reply to the list with that info. Then I would be making a backup of your disk. If you haven't done much in windows, then this might only be a DVD or 2 worth of space. Next, I would use a bootable gparted CD to resize the main windows partition to leave the space you want for your linux installations. I've done this quite often without trouble, but better to backup then be sorry if it doesn't work. Once there is space to add your new Fedora partitions in, we can provide some info on how to set custom partitioning during Fedora install. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Testing F21 kernel update kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21
Hi folks, in bugzilla I found a bug (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1197842) that adresses an issue I have. In a comment from Fedora Update System I can see that "kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 21.". I would like to verify if that kernel fixes my issue. I did read the "How to test updates" (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_test_updates) but it's still not clear to me what steps are necessary to test the update. I do not see the kernel update with yum check-update command: LANG="" su -c 'yum check-update --enablerepo=updates-testing kernel' # Loaded plugins: langpacks No more output. I then tried LANG="" su -c 'yum update --enablerepo=updates kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21' # Loaded plugins: langpacks # No Match for argument: kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21 # No package kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21 available. # No packages marked for update Currently I'm running kernel 3.18.8-201.fc21.i686: uname -r # 3.18.8-201.fc21.i686 Can somebody give me advice on how I can test the kernel update mentioned above? Thanks, Meikel -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: helved packard pavilion 500
hi David, I would like to know if the memory configuration must be done (this causes me confusion) - before starting the installation process, - or be made during the installation process - or, finally, if it can be done in both cases Are you preparing to install Fedora 21 ? Yes I am installing Fedora 21 500 GB is way large enough Ok what happened - happened (I say now) .. Then I would be making a backup of your disk No matter for the data it is nothing on the computer now, I bought few day ago... I would use a bootable gparted CD to resize the main windows partition to leave the space you want for your linux installations YES I have a bootable gparted It would help if we were able to see how the disk is currently partitioned this is the output of # fdisk -l /dev/sda: -- disk /dev/sda : 931.5 GiB 1.000.204.886.016 bytes 19.535.525.168 sectors Units : sectors of 1*512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physic) 512 bytes / 409 bytes disklabel type : gpt Disk identifier : 57CA x device start end sectors size type /dev/sda1 2.048 2.048 2.095.104 1.023 M Microsoft recovery environment /dev/sda22.097.152 2.097.152 737.280 360 M EFI system /dev/sda32.834.432 2.834.432 262.144 128 M Microsoft reserved /dev/sda4 30.096.576 3.096.576921.841.664 439.6 G Microsoft basic data /dev/sda5 1.931.636.736 1.953.513.471 21.876.736 10.4 G Microsoft basic data /dev/sda6 924.938.240 1.931.636.735 1.006.698.496 480 G Linux file system - Thank you very much for your answer Angelo On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:18 PM, David Timms wrote: > On 12/03/15 21:22, Angelo Moreschini wrote: > > ... > > > I do not see a chance to interact with the program to implement the > > required choices. > Are you preparing to install Fedora 21 ? > > 500 GB is way large enough, for example my current installation of the > system partitions is: df -h > > FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/sda3 39G 27G 9.4G 75% / > /dev/sda1 2.0G 604M 1.3G 33% /boot > /dev/sdc2 40G 34G 5.9G 86% /var > (I have /var on a separate disk and partition due to the main disk > being an SSD; this avoids potential problems with data on /var that is > often being re-written. It also contains package mockbuild caches for > F19,F20,F21, EL5, EL6, EL7 totaling 4.8GB, and some virtual machines.) > > /dev/mapper/vg1-home_vg1 643G 643G 713M 100% /home > (could be as small as say 20G; you may also like to mount your windows > partition to use data files from it - this would give more space). > > I have 3577 rpm packages installed. [rpm -qa|wc -l], so this is quite a > large install. > > > > And, in the case I need to prepare the partitions in one way > > differentthan I already prepared, I do not know how to do this ... > It would help if we were able to see how the disk is currently > partitioned. You could boot a Fedora rescue image (to text mode), and > then list the current layout of the first sata disk by: > # fdisk -l /dev/sda > , and reply to the list with that info. > > Then I would be making a backup of your disk. If you haven't done much > in windows, then this might only be a DVD or 2 worth of space. > > Next, I would use a bootable gparted CD to resize the main windows > partition to leave the space you want for your linux installations. I've > done this quite often without trouble, but better to backup then be > sorry if it doesn't work. > > Once there is space to add your new Fedora partitions in, we can provide > some info on how to set custom partitioning during Fedora install. > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Testing F21 kernel update kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21
On 03/12/2015 03:51 PM, Meikel wrote: Hi folks, in bugzilla I found a bug (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1197842) that adresses an issue I have. In a comment from Fedora Update System I can see that "kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 21.". Can somebody give me advice on how I can test the kernel update mentioned above? One option is to download the rpms from http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=619142 into a common directory and then to "yum update *.rpm" to them. Another option is to wait until they appear in updates-testing and then to install them: # yum update --enablerepo=updates-testing kernel Ralf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: helved packard pavilion 500
/dev/sda6 =-->is the new partition that I recently created with file system type ext4 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Angelo Moreschini < mrangelo.fed...@gmail.com> wrote: > hi David, > > I would like to know if the memory configuration must be done (this causes > me confusion) > >- before starting the installation process, >- or be made during the installation process >- or, finally, if it can be done in both cases > > > Are you preparing to install Fedora 21 ? Yes I am installing Fedora 21 > > 500 GB is way large enough Ok what happened - happened (I say now) > .. > > Then I would be making a backup of your disk No matter for the data it is > nothing on the computer now, I bought few day ago... > > I would use a bootable gparted CD to resize the main windows partition to > leave the space you want for your linux installations YES I have a > bootable gparted > > > It would help if we were able to see how the disk is currently partitioned > > this is the output of # fdisk -l /dev/sda: > > -- > > disk /dev/sda : 931.5 GiB 1.000.204.886.016 bytes 19.535.525.168 sectors > > Units : sectors of 1*512 = 512 bytes > > Sector size (logical/physic) 512 bytes / 409 bytes > > disklabel type : gpt > > Disk identifier : 57CA x > > device start end > sectors size type > > /dev/sda1 2.048 2.048 > 2.095.104 1.023 M Microsoft recovery environment > > /dev/sda22.097.152 2.097.152 > 737.280 360 M EFI system > > /dev/sda32.834.432 2.834.432 262.144 > 128 M Microsoft reserved > > /dev/sda4 30.096.576 3.096.576921.841.664 > 439.6 G Microsoft basic data > > /dev/sda5 1.931.636.736 1.953.513.471 21.876.736 > 10.4 G Microsoft basic data > > /dev/sda6 924.938.240 1.931.636.735 1.006.698.496 > 480 G Linux file system > > - > > Thank you very much for your answer > > Angelo > > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:18 PM, David Timms wrote: > >> On 12/03/15 21:22, Angelo Moreschini wrote: >> >> ... >> >> > I do not see a chance to interact with the program to implement the >> > required choices. >> Are you preparing to install Fedora 21 ? >> >> 500 GB is way large enough, for example my current installation of the >> system partitions is: df -h >> >> FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on >> /dev/sda3 39G 27G 9.4G 75% / >> /dev/sda1 2.0G 604M 1.3G 33% /boot >> /dev/sdc2 40G 34G 5.9G 86% /var >> (I have /var on a separate disk and partition due to the main disk >> being an SSD; this avoids potential problems with data on /var that is >> often being re-written. It also contains package mockbuild caches for >> F19,F20,F21, EL5, EL6, EL7 totaling 4.8GB, and some virtual machines.) >> >> /dev/mapper/vg1-home_vg1 643G 643G 713M 100% /home >> (could be as small as say 20G; you may also like to mount your windows >> partition to use data files from it - this would give more space). >> >> I have 3577 rpm packages installed. [rpm -qa|wc -l], so this is quite a >> large install. >> >> >> > And, in the case I need to prepare the partitions in one way >> > differentthan I already prepared, I do not know how to do this ... >> It would help if we were able to see how the disk is currently >> partitioned. You could boot a Fedora rescue image (to text mode), and >> then list the current layout of the first sata disk by: >> # fdisk -l /dev/sda >> , and reply to the list with that info. >> >> Then I would be making a backup of your disk. If you haven't done much >> in windows, then this might only be a DVD or 2 worth of space. >> >> Next, I would use a bootable gparted CD to resize the main windows >> partition to leave the space you want for your linux installations. I've >> done this quite often without trouble, but better to backup then be >> sorry if it doesn't work. >> >> Once there is space to add your new Fedora partitions in, we can provide >> some info on how to set custom partitioning during Fedora install. >> -- >> users mailing list >> users@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >> Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org >> > > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask
F21 - perl broken? 5.16 vs. 5.18 API problem.
Hi, I am trying to build a rpm but now I got a perl problem ? It looks like my perl installation is somehow broken currently. Pleas advise. Thanks a lot. Regards Martin $ perl --version This is perl 5, version 18, subversion 4 (v5.18.4) built for x86_64-linux-thread-multi (with 23 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail) [...] $ perl -MCPAN -e shell Attempt to reload Scalar/Util.pm aborted. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/share/perl5/Safe.pm line 4. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/share/perl5/Safe.pm line 4. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/perl5/CPAN.pm line 56. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/perl5/CPAN.pm line 56. Compilation failed in require. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted. $ rpmbuild -ba moon-buggy.spec [...] + autoreconf -if Perl API version v5.16.0 of threads does not match v5.18.0 at /usr/share/perl5/XSLoader.pm line 92. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/automake-1.14/Automake/ChannelDefs.pm line 23. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/automake-1.14/Automake/ChannelDefs.pm line 26. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/automake-1.14/Automake/Configure_ac.pm line 27. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/automake-1.14/Automake/Configure_ac.pm line 27. Compilation failed in require at /usr/bin/aclocal line 39. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/aclocal line 39. autoreconf: aclocal failed with exit status: 2 error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.ePUGGu (%prep) RPM build errors: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.ePUGGu (%prep) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Re: Fedora 21 server gnome install not starting
> [root at frontserver ~]# systemctl is-enabled cups.path abrt-ccpp.service abrt-oops.service abrt-vmcore.service abrt-xorg.service abrtd.service accounts-daemon.service atd.service auditd.service avahi-daemon.service bluetooth.service chronyd.service crond.service cups.service dbus-org.bluez.service dbus-org.fedoraproject.FirewallD1.service dbus-org.freedesktop.Avahi.service dbus-org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.service dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service dbus-org.freedesktop.nm-dispatcher.service display-manager.service dmraid-activation.service firewalld.service gdm.servicegetty at .service iscsi.service libvirtd.service lvm2-monitor.service mcelog.service mdmonitor.service ModemManager.service multipathd.service netcf-transaction.service NetworkManager-dispatcher.service NetworkManager.service rngd.service rsyslog.s ervice r t kit-daemon.service smartd.service spice-vdagentd.service sshd.service syst > emd-reada > head-collect.service systemd-readahead-drop.service systemd-readahead-replay.service vmtoolsd.service avahi-daemon.socket cups.socket dm-event.socket iscsid.socket iscsiuio.socket lvm2-lvmetad.socket rpcbind.socket default.target graphical.target nfs-client.target remote-fs.target dnf-makecache.timer > enabled > enabled ... > enabled > enabled > enabled $ systemctl list-unit-files | grep enabled ;) Poma, In life, I find that if it's not possible to say something useful, it's generally best not to say anything at all... -- Morgan Read UNITED KINGDOM Confused about DRM? Get all the info you need at: http://drm.info/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F21 - perl broken? 5.16 vs. 5.18 API problem.
On 03/12/2015 04:22 PM, Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen wrote: Hi, I am trying to build a rpm but now I got a perl problem ? It looks like my perl installation is somehow broken currently. $ perl --version This is perl 5, version 18, subversion 4 (v5.18.4) built for x86_64-linux-thread-multi (with 23 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail) [...] $ perl -MCPAN -e shell Attempt to reload Scalar/Util.pm aborted. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/share/perl5/Safe.pm line 4. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/share/perl5/Safe.pm line 4. This error message indicates you to be mixing non-rpm-installed perl-dists (/usr/local/share/perl5) with rpm-installed perl-dists. Likely, your non-rpm-installed perl-modules/dists originate from an older install (likely you upgraded Fedora) and are incompatible with Fedora's perl. To avoid such surprises, my advise would be not to use any non-rpm-installed perl-dists. If you cannot avoid them, you'd first have to remove all perl-modules under /usr/local and to rebuild/reinstall all of them. Ralf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F21 - perl broken? 5.16 vs. 5.18 API problem.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 04:22:00PM +0100, Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen wrote: > I am trying to build a rpm but now I got a perl problem ? > It looks like my perl installation is somehow broken currently. > Pleas advise. > This is perl 5, version 18, subversion 4 (v5.18.4) built for > x86_64-linux-thread-multi > (with 23 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail) > [...] > > $ perl -MCPAN -e shell > Attempt to reload Scalar/Util.pm aborted. > Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/share/perl5/Safe.pm line 4. ... > $ rpmbuild -ba moon-buggy.spec > [...] > + autoreconf -if > Perl API version v5.16.0 of threads does not match v5.18.0 at > /usr/share/perl5/XSLoader.pm line 92. At a rough guess I expect that you have some perl modules locally built using perl 5.16.0 stored under /usr/local/share/perl5, that are not binary compatible with perl 5.18.0 (XS modules are not in general binary compatible across major perl releases). Note that fedora-supplied perl modules installed using yum will go under /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl rather than under /usr/local/share/. Have a look under /usr/local/share/perl5 and see what's there. You may have to delete what's there. -- In England there is a special word which means the last sunshine of the summer. That word is "spring". -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Testing F21 kernel update kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Meikel wrote: > Hi folks, > > in bugzilla I found a bug > (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1197842) that adresses an issue > I have. In a comment from Fedora Update System I can see that > "kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 21.". > > I would like to verify if that kernel fixes my issue. I did read the "How to > test updates" (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_test_updates) but it's > still not clear to me what steps are necessary to test the update. > > I do not see the kernel update with yum check-update command: > > LANG="" su -c 'yum check-update --enablerepo=updates-testing kernel' > # Loaded plugins: langpacks > > No more output. I then tried > > LANG="" su -c 'yum update --enablerepo=updates kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21' > # Loaded plugins: langpacks > # No Match for argument: kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21 > # No package kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21 available. > # No packages marked for update If you go to: admin.fedoraproject.org/updates and type in kernel, you'll see kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21 is in "testing" which translates into # su -c 'yum update --enablerepo=updates-testing kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21' If that doesn't work I usually clobber it with 'yum clean all' and then retry. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Testing F21 kernel update kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > If you go to: > admin.fedoraproject.org/updates > and type in kernel, you'll see kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21 is in "testing" > which translates into > > # su -c 'yum update --enablerepo=updates-testing kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21' > > If that doesn't work I usually clobber it with 'yum clean all' and then retry. Hmm, I get nothing. Maybe it's gone from updates-testing and is on the way to updates but isn't there yet? I think it has enough karma to move to updates. Anyway, another way to do it: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=619142 And just click the download link for kernel- kernel-core- kernel-modules- And if you know you need them: kernel-modules-extra Then at command line you can: yum/dnf upgrade *rpm -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to increase maximum user cpu usage allowed on a multi core system?
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 16:36:43 + Ian Malone wrote: > You may want to check the .NOTPARALLEL directive is not present > http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Parallel though I > think that would simply prevent multiple processes. This sounded like exactly the problem, but when I checked all the make files in the kernel build tree, none of them had this directive. > > To repeat, make -j N should be able to start N processes and they > should not be subject to an overall limit other than hardware. > (Incidentally, one process can use more than 100% if written to use > parallelisation, you can often see jvm doing this.) I took Martin's suggestion and checked the Gentoo take on this. Your experience is the general experience they had. But there were some people that didn't get that, and the suggestion they got was that the make file had been written in such a way that it wouldn't allow the request (the impression was *badly* written). But, again, there were many people saying they pegged all their cores at 100% when compiling the kernel just by using make -j#. There was lots of discussion of what # should be, and even testing programs that people could use. On my box, I even see the kernel request -j6 on its own, but it still only uses 1 core equivalent. When I run a kernel compile with make -j, I see dozens of processes created by make in htop, but they still only use the equivalent of 1 core of cpu. When I build firefox nightly with -j6, just at the end of the export phase, and before the compile starts, I see all 6 cores maxed out. Once the compile starts, it is back to a single core equivalent. The Gentoo users seemed to suggest that this was a flaw in the firefox build process, though, and not the fault of the scheduler. > Since I can't reproduce this problem I'm not sure what's causing it. > If you really are finding make subprocesses limited to 100% cpu across > the lot then maybe have a look to see if there are any cgroups limits > active > https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Resource_Management_Guide/ch01.html > may also be worth running on the stock fedora kernel to test that > it's not something that you've turned on in your custom kernel. This sounds promising, and I have cgroups turned on in the config file, but so does the standard kernel. I also don't know how I would look for cgroup configuration. I'll do more research. Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to increase maximum user cpu usage allowed on a multi core system?
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 20:56:37 +0100 Heinz Diehl wrote: > Haven't looked into this for some time, but take a look into > /usr/src/linux/kernel/sched/fair.c. > (The CFS code is complex and difficult to understand, though - at > least for me). Took a quick look at this. Only ~8000 lines of well documented code. Yeah. Except, to understand that code, it is necessary to understand a lot about kernel context, and flow. Not to mention all the possible side effects a change here could cause. Because of the research I did with Gentoo experience, I'll assume that this code is working. It's many years old, and mature. Discretion is the better part of valor. ;-) > Btw, here is a good explanation of Linux SMP scheduling: > http://tinyurl.com/o4nuaxr > > And also take a look here: > https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/scheduler/sched-design-CFS.txt > http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/3.0/3.18/3.18-sched-bfs-460.patch > (BFS is designed with latency in mind, not throughput). > Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to increase maximum user cpu usage allowed on a multi core system?
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 15:14:39 -0400 Kevin Cummings wrote: > We're thinking in terms of one machine with multiple cores here. What > about an environment with multiple machines (each possibly with > multiple cores). Now you have *many* more possibilities of where to > run compiles with -j. Consider (for example) distcc. It can be > configured to run build components on different machines > (configurable per machine as to how many). So now, the -j 10 or -j > 20 has more possibilities for distributing the load during the "make". > That makes sense. But because of what I found when looking at Gentoo about this, it should also work for a single machine with multiple cores. That seemed to be the experience of almost everyone there. And, boy, do they take this seriously. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to increase maximum user cpu usage allowed on a multi core system?
On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 18:01:07 -0400 (EDT) ergodic wrote: > Frankly I never check the loading, just use -j with no argument, > but I always do other processes in parallel with no problem. Then I think you must be having the same behavior as me. Because, as Ian found, if a compile grabs all the cpu resources, it is *noticeable*. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
sector hard errors
Hi all,
on a new drive, installed about 3 months ago ... fsck shows:
Pass 5: Checking group summary information
[ 117.650425] ata5.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0xc0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0
[ 117.650678] ata5.00: irq_stat 0x4008
[ 117.650840] ata5.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
[ 117.651523] ata5.00: cmd 60/80:30:68:08:40/00:00:be:00:00/40 tag 6
ncq 65536 in
[ 117.651523] res 41/40:00:b0:08:40/00:00:be:00:00/40 Emask
0x409 (media error)
[ 117.652872] ata5.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
[ 117.653547] ata5.00: error: { UNC }
[ 117.655604] ata5.00: configured for UDMA/133
[ 117.655825] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
[ 117.655991] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[ 117.656631] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
[ 117.657288] Sense Key : Medium Error [current] [descriptor]
[ 117.657966] Descriptor sense data with sense descriptors (in hex):
[ 117.658652] 72 03 11 04 00 00 00 0c 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 00
[ 117.659381] be 40 08 b0
[ 117.660065] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
[ 117.660703] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed
[ 117.661349] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB:
[ 117.661981] Read(10): 28 00 be 40 08 68 00 00 80 00
[ 117.662667] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 3191867568
[ 117.663323] ata5: EH complete
[ 129.095402] ata5.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x300 SErr 0x0
action 0x0
[ 129.095663] ata5.00: irq_stat 0x4008
[ 129.095826] ata5.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
[ 129.096434] ata5.00: cmd 60/00:c0:e8:08:00/01:00:c2:00:00/40 tag 24
ncq 131072 in
[ 129.096434] res 41/40:00:90:09:00/00:00:c2:00:00/40 Emask
0x409 (media error)
[ 129.097727] ata5.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
[ 129.098393] ata5.00: error: { UNC }
[ 129.100528] ata5.00: configured for UDMA/133
[ 129.100768] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
[ 129.100935] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[ 129.101530] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
[ 129.102128] Sense Key : Medium Error [current] [descriptor]
[ 129.102728] Descriptor sense data with sense descriptors (in hex):
[ 129.103349] 72 03 11 04 00 00 00 0c 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 00
[ 129.103998] c2 00 09 90
[ 129.104645] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
[ 129.105280] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed
[ 129.105911] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB:
[ 129.106567] Read(10): 28 00 c2 00 08 e8 00 01 00 00
[ 129.107271] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 3254782352
[ 129.107954] ata5: EH complete
So, I am puzzled as to how quickly were the spare sectors consumed so that
automatic sector forwarding ran out os spare sectors? So quickly on a
brand new drive??
When someone buys a brand new drive, how many spare sectors is it guaranteed
to have? ZERO? ONE?? How many?
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Re: sector hard errors
On 03/12/2015 12:20 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, I am puzzled as to how quickly were the spare sectors consumed so that automatic sector forwarding ran out os spare sectors? So quickly on a brand new drive?? This is what warranties are for. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sector hard errors
smartctl --all /dev/sdX and see how many are reallocated. From my experience how many spare sectors there are depends on the size and brand. On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 03/12/2015 12:20 PM, jd1008 wrote: >> >> So, I am puzzled as to how quickly were the spare sectors consumed so that >> automatic sector forwarding ran out os spare sectors? So quickly on a >> brand new drive?? > > > This is what warranties are for. > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to increase maximum user cpu usage allowed on a multi core system?
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 18:21:06 +0100 poma wrote: > Both: > 1. diff > -u /boot/config-3.18.8-201.fc21.x86_64 > /boot/config-3.19.0-1.20150211.fc21.x86_64 > 2. dmidecode (as root) > > to http://fpaste.org s'il vous plaît. 1 week http://fpaste.org/197315/88936142/ The config is now for kernel-4.0. Are you sure you don't want to know what I had for breakfast today? :-D For all this work, I expect *results*, sir. ;-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [ F21 ] How to remove GNOME
Hi all, couldn't answer earlier, thanks for hooking on the thread. @billo: Yeah, my answer to most of these "how do I do this complex reconfiguration Why should it be 'complex'? It's certainly complex here - or it's just me as I'm not used to Fedora's way. I've been using Arch & Gentoo for the last few years (~6) and never experienced that on Arch (it's super modular and flexible) while I had minor issues w/ Gentoo. " thing with a box I've dicking around with for two days and have all sorts fo stuff gumming up the works" In my case I've been running F21 since the official release and it's been a smooth sailing for the most part. I have tons of things installed and some low-level tweaks performed - not mention that these days I don't have much spare time to play with my system, I need it to work - so performing a new installation isn't a choice. Moreover, problem isn't the time spent on installing the system but the one spent to later leave it at the same point it is right now [0]. " questions is usually "reinstall." For me, anyway, it takes, what, 30 mins to reinstall Fedora without the gunk I wish I hadn't added, but four or five hours chasing dependencies and stuff trying to "clean" a system that has a couple hundred packages installed I decided I didn't want. Yep, thinking about spending four or five hours chasing dependencies does indeed sound crazy, should it be that way? Besides this experience, in the past I only experienced the so-called dependency hell when running Debian and its derivatives. "A clean install is the chicken soup of system administration, IMHO." I don't agree here. To me it is a sane rolling release/upgrade cycle. -M. [0 You folks may find interesting using a combination of GNU Stow + Git (or a similar DVCS) to manage your dot files, both system and personal ones. To held configs and customizations on private repos makes it super easy to deploy them across all your systems, make rollbacks, etc. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: > > > On 03/09/15 12:21, Heinz Diehl wrote: > >> FWIW: this is an installation from the XFCE spin, with additional devel >> and >> administration packages: >> >> [htd@chiara ~]$ rpm -qa gnome\* | wc -l >> 13 >> > Here's an XFCE Live spin I installed a few days ago with a few added > applications: > > [bobg@bobgASRockServer ~]$ rpm -qa gnome\* | wc -l > 9 > > Bob > > -- > http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD > box10 Fedora-21/64bit Linux/XFCE > > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > -- -Martin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: sector hard errors
Install the smartmon tools.
Run smartctl -a on the drive. It may tell you something. Has the disk ever been
dropped? Is the "on time" in smart too high compared to when you bought it
(have they sold you a second hand drive)?
Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon
jd1008 skrev
>Hi all,
>on a new drive, installed about 3 months ago ... fsck shows:
>
>
>
>Pass 5: Checking group summary information
>[ 117.650425] ata5.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0xc0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0
>[ 117.650678] ata5.00: irq_stat 0x4008
>[ 117.650840] ata5.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
>[ 117.651523] ata5.00: cmd 60/80:30:68:08:40/00:00:be:00:00/40 tag 6
>ncq 65536 in
>[ 117.651523] res 41/40:00:b0:08:40/00:00:be:00:00/40 Emask
>0x409 (media error)
>[ 117.652872] ata5.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
>[ 117.653547] ata5.00: error: { UNC }
>[ 117.655604] ata5.00: configured for UDMA/133
>[ 117.655825] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
>[ 117.655991] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
>[ 117.656631] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
>[ 117.657288] Sense Key : Medium Error [current] [descriptor]
>[ 117.657966] Descriptor sense data with sense descriptors (in hex):
>[ 117.658652] 72 03 11 04 00 00 00 0c 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 00
>[ 117.659381] be 40 08 b0
>[ 117.660065] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
>[ 117.660703] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed
>[ 117.661349] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB:
>[ 117.661981] Read(10): 28 00 be 40 08 68 00 00 80 00
>[ 117.662667] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 3191867568
>[ 117.663323] ata5: EH complete
>[ 129.095402] ata5.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x300 SErr 0x0
>action 0x0
>[ 129.095663] ata5.00: irq_stat 0x4008
>[ 129.095826] ata5.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
>[ 129.096434] ata5.00: cmd 60/00:c0:e8:08:00/01:00:c2:00:00/40 tag 24
>ncq 131072 in
>[ 129.096434] res 41/40:00:90:09:00/00:00:c2:00:00/40 Emask
>0x409 (media error)
>[ 129.097727] ata5.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
>[ 129.098393] ata5.00: error: { UNC }
>[ 129.100528] ata5.00: configured for UDMA/133
>[ 129.100768] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
>[ 129.100935] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
>[ 129.101530] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
>[ 129.102128] Sense Key : Medium Error [current] [descriptor]
>[ 129.102728] Descriptor sense data with sense descriptors (in hex):
>[ 129.103349] 72 03 11 04 00 00 00 0c 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 00
>[ 129.103998] c2 00 09 90
>[ 129.104645] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
>[ 129.105280] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed
>[ 129.105911] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB:
>[ 129.106567] Read(10): 28 00 c2 00 08 e8 00 01 00 00
>[ 129.107271] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 3254782352
>[ 129.107954] ata5: EH complete
>
>So, I am puzzled as to how quickly were the spare sectors consumed so that
>automatic sector forwarding ran out os spare sectors? So quickly on a
>brand new drive??
>When someone buys a brand new drive, how many spare sectors is it guaranteed
>to have? ZERO? ONE?? How many?
>
>
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Re: How to increase maximum user cpu usage allowed on a multi core system?
On 12.03.2015, stan wrote: > When I build firefox nightly with -j6, just at the end of the export > phase, and before the compile starts, I see all 6 cores maxed out. > Once the compile starts, it is back to a single core equivalent. The > Gentoo users seemed to suggest that this was a flaw in the firefox > build process, though, and not the fault of the scheduler. There are some programs which encounter serious trouble when using more than 1 compile process. Don't remember all, but audacity is an example. So the "flaw" could be a feature.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F21 - skype -- How best to install
I have been puzzling through some old posts here on skype. I need it working for a conference call monday morning. Subject: No sound in Skype on Fedora 64-bit Seems to be talking about installing lpf-skype even on an x86_64 system and it basically works? Some sound problems but work around them? Or: http://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2012/install-skype-on-fedora-centos-red-hat-rhel-scientific-linux-sl/ I can always run it on my samsung phone, but want to use it on my notebook. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sector hard errors
But... but now I have to back up what I can and send it in for warranty. My point was more about how could I run out of spare sectors when I have had no prior reports of hard sector errors prior to this fsck? On 03/12/2015 01:29 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/12/2015 12:20 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, I am puzzled as to how quickly were the spare sectors consumed so that automatic sector forwarding ran out os spare sectors? So quickly on a brand new drive?? This is what warranties are for. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to increase maximum user cpu usage allowed on a multi core system?
On 03/12/2015 03:40 PM, stan wrote: > Are you sure you don't want to know what I had for breakfast today? :-D No! That's what Facebook is for! B^) -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@verizon.net cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://www.linuxcounter.net/) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to increase maximum user cpu usage allowed on a multi core system?
On 03/12/2015 01:54 PM, Kevin Cummings wrote: On 03/12/2015 03:40 PM, stan wrote: Are you sure you don't want to know what I had for breakfast today? :-D No! That's what Facebook is for! B^) Article tagline from the Orange County Register this morning: A study co-authored by a CSUF (Cal State University Fullerton) professor finds Facebook 'addicts' show some brain behaviors observed in drug abusers Watch yourself! :-) -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Millihelen (n): The amount of beauty required to launch one ship. - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sector hard errors
-- On 03/12/2015 01:37 PM, Roger Heflin wrote: smartctl --all /dev/sd ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAGVALUE WORST THRESH TYPEUPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140 Pre-fail Always - 0 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 So, when the raw value is 0 for both of these counts, why were not the bad file sectors automatically reallocated? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sector hard errors
On 03/12/2015 01:52 PM, jd1008 wrote: But... but now I have to back up what I can and send it in for warranty. True, but isn't that better than not having the warranty at all? And, with some of the diagnostics others have suggested, you might not need to send it back at all. Still, if you don't already have a backup, you'd better get one RSN. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F21 - skype -- How best to install
> I have been puzzling through some old posts here on skype. I need it > working for a conference call monday morning. > > Subject: No sound in Skype on Fedora 64-bit > > Seems to be talking about installing lpf-skype even on an x86_64 system > and it basically works? Some sound problems but work around them? > > Or: > > http://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2012/install-skype-on-fedora-centos-red-hat-rhel-scientific-linux-sl/ > > I can always run it on my samsung phone, but want to use it on my > notebook. > Hi Robert, I was able to get Skype working on both of my Fedora 21 systems by following these steps: The "rules" say to perform a full update first. Usually when I do this something breaks and so do so at your own risk. yum -y update Install Skype and the 32-bit pulseaudio files: yum -y install lpf-skype Here is the part that should fix your sound issues: yum -y install pulseaudio-libs.i686 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 Then: Open Applications->System Tools->lpf skype Give root and then guest password To run Skype: Open Applications->Internet->Skype I hope this works for you! I have to say they did a good job when they created this application. Jim Lewis -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F21 - skype -- How best to install
On 03/12/2015 01:42 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I have been puzzling through some old posts here on skype. I need it working for a conference call monday morning. Subject: No sound in Skype on Fedora 64-bit Seems to be talking about installing lpf-skype even on an x86_64 system and it basically works? Some sound problems but work around them? Or: http://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2012/install-skype-on-fedora-centos-red-hat-rhel-scientific-linux-sl/ I can always run it on my samsung phone, but want to use it on my notebook. lpf-skype requires lpf, so make sure you install that as well. Once you've downloaded lpf-skype, then run it from a command line, preferably as root: # lpf-skype This will download sources and such and build an RPM based on what it gets, then install that RPM. To get sound to work, you typically need alsa-plugins-pulseaudio and pulseaudio-libs installed (the 32-bit versions, as skype is a 32-bit application). I'd also suggest installing pavucontrol. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - "Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes." - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sector hard errors
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:20 PM, jd1008 wrote: > [ 117.660065] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] > [ 117.660703] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed What is sdb used for? Single drive or is it in some kind of raid? This is a URE with failed reallocation which means the data and checksum for this sector mismatch, and the drive's ECC can't recover it. Since it can't reconstruct it, the data can't be moved so it just stays here. The problem isn't corrected until the sector is overwritten. What do you get for: smarctl -l scterc /dev/sdb > So, I am puzzled as to how quickly were the spare sectors consumed so that > automatic sector forwarding ran out os spare sectors? The data on the sector is just bad. The firmware apparently doesn't think the signal encoding on that sector is weak or otherwise indicating the sector itself may be bad, like a surface defect. I'm guessing it's getting deterministically bad data and it can't fix it. If it were a partial read, then that might suggest a bad sector, at which point it'd be flagged as pending reallocation. This is conditional. Upon write, the drive firmware determines whether it's a transient error or persistent, if it's persistent then it'll use a reserve sector (reassigns the same LBA to a different physical sector). > So quickly on a > brand new drive?? > When someone buys a brand new drive, how many spare sectors is it guaranteed > to have? ZERO? ONE?? How many? Depends on the drive model, use case, and manufacturer. Any enterprise SATA or SAS drive, it's a swap out for just one of these. For consumer, it's stick a wet finger in the air. I think most of them would accommodate, but arguably the drive is functioning normally - so far. But you're right, it's brand new and to have a sector read error on a brand new drive is unexpected. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to increase maximum user cpu usage allowed on a multi core system?
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 16:36:43 + Ian Malone wrote: > Since I can't reproduce this problem I'm not sure what's causing it. > If you really are finding make subprocesses limited to 100% cpu across > the lot then maybe have a look to see if there are any cgroups limits > active > https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Resource_Management_Guide/ch01.html > may also be worth running on the stock fedora kernel to test that > it's not something that you've turned on in your custom kernel. I looked in the kernel documentation, and it seems that in order to be limited by cgroups, the application has to create a cgroup and attach to it. The cgroups are in a virtual file system under /sys/fs. They can be seen by cat /etc/mtab The one of interest in the case of compiling is the cpu,cpuset. The kernel makefiles don't create or attach to a cgroup, so that would seem to eliminate it as a consideration. There is also a systemd target for cgroups, but it is supposed to be only for services, which compiling wouldn't be. And, there is also a selinux target for cgroups, but it doesn't seem to apply here. So, cgroups seem like another dead end. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sector hard errors
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > What do you get for: > smarctl -l scterc /dev/sdb smartctl -l scterc /dev/sdb Helps to not have typos, and this command likes that additional t. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to increase maximum user cpu usage allowed on a multi core system?
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 18:21:06 +0100 poma wrote: > The Devil is in the detail. > > Both: > 1. diff > -u /boot/config-3.18.8-201.fc21.x86_64 > /boot/config-3.19.0-1.20150211.fc21.x86_64 > 2. dmidecode (as root) > > to http://fpaste.org s'il vous plaît. > > You seem to be the last hope for a solution here, so I hope your analysis succeeds. "As the clock ticks down, it's a hail Mary pass to poma all alone in front of the goal. The game is in his hands now." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sector hard errors
On 03/12/2015 04:03 PM, jd1008 wrote: -- On 03/12/2015 01:37 PM, Roger Heflin wrote: smartctl --all /dev/sd ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAGVALUE WORST THRESH TYPEUPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140 Pre-fail Always - 0 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 You omitted an important parameter, 197 Current_Pending_Sector. The drive cannot reallocate on a read error. Reallocation has to wait until the sector is next written. The sector will remain in the "Pending" state until that occurs. -- Bob Nichols "NOSPAM" is really part of my email address. Do NOT delete it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sector hard errors
On 03/12/2015 03:28 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: smarctl -l scterc /dev/sdb # smartctl -l scterc /dev/sdb smartctl 6.2 2014-07-16 r3952 [x86_64-linux-3.18.8-201.fc21.x86_64] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org SCT Error Recovery Control command not supported -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sector hard errors
On 03/12/2015 03:33 PM, Robert Nichols wrote: On 03/12/2015 04:03 PM, jd1008 wrote: -- On 03/12/2015 01:37 PM, Roger Heflin wrote: smartctl --all /dev/sd ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAGVALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140 Pre-fail Always - 0 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 You omitted an important parameter, 197 Current_Pending_Sector. The drive cannot reallocate on a read error. Reallocation has to wait until the sector is next written. The sector will remain in the "Pending" state until that occurs. 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000Old_age Always - 15 is that bad or not so bad? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sector hard errors
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:37 PM, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 03/12/2015 03:28 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> smarctl -l scterc /dev/sdb > > # smartctl -l scterc /dev/sdb > smartctl 6.2 2014-07-16 r3952 [x86_64-linux-3.18.8-201.fc21.x86_64] (local > build) > Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org > > SCT Error Recovery Control command not supported Ok so it's a drive not designed for fast recoveries, which is fine. I've seen some people use the NAS drives as standalone drives thinking they're better. But they have fast error recoveries, so they pop a read error within ~7 seconds expecting RAID to recover the data from a mirror or rebuild from parity. So if you had such a drive there's a way to increase that timer and maybe recover the data on that sector. Anyway, seeing as this happens on an fsck, that means filesystem metadata is affected and if e2fsck -f doesn't fix it then, the fs is toast. I honestly would just immediately remount it ro, and back it up though before forcing an fsck. An fsck ought to fail gracefully and not make things worse, but... -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to increase maximum user cpu usage allowed on a multi core system?
On 12.03.2015, stan wrote: > So, cgroups seem like another dead end. It depends on the machine used and the amount of processes. While cgroups limit more than just CPU power, you could try with BFS (which does not use cgroups). http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/3.0/3.19/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sector hard errors
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > Anyway, seeing as this happens on an fsck, that means filesystem > metadata is affected and if e2fsck -f doesn't fix it then, the fs is > toast. I honestly would just immediately remount it ro, and back it up > though before forcing an fsck. An fsck ought to fail gracefully and > not make things worse, but... For what it's worth, in the same scenario, by default Btrfs on an HDD use duplicate metadata on a single drive. So the same read error would get reported, but then there'd be something like this: [48466.824770] BTRFS: checksum error at logical 20971520 on dev /dev/sdb, sector 57344: metadata leaf (level 0) in tree 3 [48466.829900] BTRFS: checksum error at logical 20971520 on dev /dev/sdb, sector 57344: metadata leaf (level 0) in tree 3 [48466.834944] BTRFS: bdev /dev/sdb errs: wr 0, rd 0, flush 0, corrupt 1, gen 0 [48466.853589] BTRFS: fixed up error at logical 20971520 on dev /dev/sdb That's actually a corrupt sector, rather than read error, but the result is the same. Btrfs uses the duplicate copy and fixes the bad one automatically. Life continues. The same thing for data if there's a mirror copy (or raid56 parity, since kernel 3.19). For single copy data, it'll show a path to the affected file. For single copy of fs metadata, well, bad things happen too, chances are the fs will abruptly go forced read only. For the most part Btrfs has been decently graceful lately if it successfully mounts read only. I still keep multiple backups though. Ultimately I trust nothing but many copies. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Evolution Filtering
Ever since a couple of updates ago, evolution will be stucking in "filtering mode", as in waiting for all the emails to be filtered and sent to their respective folders. I have to close, then kill the pid. Then I can reopen it and it will start filtering with no problems. But once you leave it open for awhile, it is stuck again trying to filter. Be advised, this worked when F21 first came out and however many updates after that until recently. Nothing on the settings end nor anything was changed. And this system is setup as imap to a local network mail server. evolution-data-server-3.12.11-1.fc21.x86_64 evolution-3.12.11-1.fc21.x86_64 evolution-bogofilter-3.12.11-1.fc21.x86_64 -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Best little town on Earth!" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F21 - skype -- How best to install
On 03/12/2015 05:16 PM, Jim Lewis wrote: I have been puzzling through some old posts here on skype. I need it working for a conference call monday morning. Subject: No sound in Skype on Fedora 64-bit Seems to be talking about installing lpf-skype even on an x86_64 system and it basically works? Some sound problems but work around them? Or: http://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2012/install-skype-on-fedora-centos-red-hat-rhel-scientific-linux-sl/ I can always run it on my samsung phone, but want to use it on my notebook. Hi Robert, I was able to get Skype working on both of my Fedora 21 systems by following these steps: The "rules" say to perform a full update first. Usually when I do this something breaks and so do so at your own risk. yum -y update Install Skype and the 32-bit pulseaudio files: yum -y install lpf-skype Here is the part that should fix your sound issues: yum -y install pulseaudio-libs.i686 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 Then: Open Applications->System Tools->lpf skype Give root and then guest password To run Skype: Open Applications->Internet->Skype I hope this works for you! I have to say they did a good job when they created this application. Install worked great. I can hear the test call, but not my recording. First time ever using the mic, so no telling what the problem there is. I am on a Lenovo x120e x86_64 with Xfce. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F21 - skype -- How best to install
On 03/12/2015 05:57 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 03/12/2015 05:16 PM, Jim Lewis wrote: I have been puzzling through some old posts here on skype. I need it working for a conference call monday morning. Subject: No sound in Skype on Fedora 64-bit Seems to be talking about installing lpf-skype even on an x86_64 system and it basically works? Some sound problems but work around them? Or: http://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2012/install-skype-on-fedora-centos-red-hat-rhel-scientific-linux-sl/ I can always run it on my samsung phone, but want to use it on my notebook. Hi Robert, I was able to get Skype working on both of my Fedora 21 systems by following these steps: The "rules" say to perform a full update first. Usually when I do this something breaks and so do so at your own risk. yum -y update Install Skype and the 32-bit pulseaudio files: yum -y install lpf-skype Here is the part that should fix your sound issues: yum -y install pulseaudio-libs.i686 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 Then: Open Applications->System Tools->lpf skype Give root and then guest password To run Skype: Open Applications->Internet->Skype I hope this works for you! I have to say they did a good job when they created this application. Install worked great. I can hear the test call, but not my recording. First time ever using the mic, so no telling what the problem there is. I am on a Lenovo x120e x86_64 with Xfce. "sudo yum -y install pavucontrol", then run it: Applications Menu->Multimedia->PulseAudio Volume Control Click on the "Input Devices" tab and you can select your input device (and see a quasi-VU meter showing incoming levels). Just keep selecting different ports and tapping the mic until you see the meter jump. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at - - from both sides. --A.M. Greeley- -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F21 - skype -- How best to install
On 03/12/2015 09:12 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 03/12/2015 05:57 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 03/12/2015 05:16 PM, Jim Lewis wrote: I have been puzzling through some old posts here on skype. I need it working for a conference call monday morning. Subject: No sound in Skype on Fedora 64-bit Seems to be talking about installing lpf-skype even on an x86_64 system and it basically works? Some sound problems but work around them? Or: http://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2012/install-skype-on-fedora-centos-red-hat-rhel-scientific-linux-sl/ I can always run it on my samsung phone, but want to use it on my notebook. Hi Robert, I was able to get Skype working on both of my Fedora 21 systems by following these steps: The "rules" say to perform a full update first. Usually when I do this something breaks and so do so at your own risk. yum -y update Install Skype and the 32-bit pulseaudio files: yum -y install lpf-skype Here is the part that should fix your sound issues: yum -y install pulseaudio-libs.i686 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 Then: Open Applications->System Tools->lpf skype Give root and then guest password To run Skype: Open Applications->Internet->Skype I hope this works for you! I have to say they did a good job when they created this application. Install worked great. I can hear the test call, but not my recording. First time ever using the mic, so no telling what the problem there is. I am on a Lenovo x120e x86_64 with Xfce. "sudo yum -y install pavucontrol", then run it: Applications Menu->Multimedia->PulseAudio Volume Control Click on the "Input Devices" tab and you can select your input device (and see a quasi-VU meter showing incoming levels). Just keep selecting different ports and tapping the mic until you see the meter jump. I had this already installed, it seems. When I open it and go to the Input Devices, I do not have a quasi-VU meter. Perhaps this is a limitation of Xfce. And the Recording tab says no application is currently recording. But Skype is running. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sector hard errors
Unless you have the drive under raid that means that 15 sectors cannot be read and you have lost at least some data. The drives normally will not move sectors that it cannot successfully read. You may be able to copy the data off the disk, but you may when trying this find a lot more bad sectors that the 15 that are currently pending so may find your lost more data than 15 bad sectors would indicate. If under mdadm raid then the raid sees the bad sector error and will reconstruct and write the data back causing the disk to move it. For the future my only suggestion is either to use raid and/or force the reading of the disk at least weekly so that the disk will detect "weak" sectors and either rewrite them or move them as needed. On all of my critical disks I read and/or smartctl -t long all disks at least weekly. From playing with a disk that is going bad it appears that doing the -t long daily might keep ahead of sectors going bad, but that means that the test runs the disk (though it can be accessed for normal usage) for several hours a day each day. On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:40 PM, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 03/12/2015 03:33 PM, Robert Nichols wrote: >> >> On 03/12/2015 04:03 PM, jd1008 wrote: >>> >>> -- >>> >>> On 03/12/2015 01:37 PM, Roger Heflin wrote: smartctl --all /dev/sd >>> >>> >>> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAGVALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED >>> WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE >>> 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140 Pre-fail >>> Always - 0 >>> 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age >>> Always - 0 >> >> >> You omitted an important parameter, 197 Current_Pending_Sector. The >> drive cannot reallocate on a read error. Reallocation has to wait >> until the sector is next written. The sector will remain in the >> "Pending" state until that occurs. >> > 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000Old_age Always > - 15 > > is that bad or not so bad? > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: sector hard errors
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Roger Heflin wrote: > Unless you have the drive under raid that means that 15 sectors cannot > be read and you have lost at least some data. > > The drives normally will not move sectors that it cannot successfully read. > > You may be able to copy the data off the disk, but you may when trying > this find a lot more bad sectors that the 15 that are currently > pending so may find your lost more data than 15 bad sectors would > indicate. Yes, could be true. For a drive with 15 sectors pending reallocation so far on a 3 month old drive, back it up, get it replaced under warranty. This fits the profile for a drive in early failure. Most drives don't do this, but of the drives in a batch that will exhibit early failure tend to do so right about at 3 months. Depending on what parts of the fs metadata are affected, 15 sectors could possibly make a good portion of the volume unrecoverable. > For the future my only suggestion is either to use raid and/or force > the reading of the disk at least weekly so that the disk will detect > "weak" sectors and either rewrite them or move them as needed. On > all of my critical disks I read and/or smartctl -t long all disks at > least weekly. From playing with a disk that is going bad it appears > that doing the -t long daily might keep ahead of sectors going bad, > but that means that the test runs the disk (though it can be accessed > for normal usage) for several hours a day each day. I'd say weekly is aggressive, but reasonable for an important array. The scrubs are probably more valuable because any explicit read errors get fixed up, whereas that's not necessarily the case for smartctl -t long. I have several drives in enclosures with crap bridge chip sets, so smartctl doesn't work, they've never had smart testing, none have had read or write errors. I'd say if it takes even weekly extended offline smart tests to avoid problems, the drive is bad. Understood this thread's use case isn't raid, but it bears repeating: By default, consumer drives like this one, will often attempt much longer recoveries, beyond the SCSI command timer value of 30 seconds; such recoveries get thwarted by the ensuing link reset, so the problem sector(s) aren't revealed, and don't get fixed. This is a problem for md, LVM, ZFS and Btrfs raid. So configuration has to be correct. This is a monthly event on linux-raid@ (or even more often sometimes several per week), and a high percent of the time all data on the raid is lost in the ensuing recovery. Backups! -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
