Re: Is SMART really that dumb?
That would imply the disk itself found the errors on one of its scans. You could do a dd if=/dev/sdx of=/dev/null conv=noerror bs=1M that should mean the dd will continue on when it hits the error and you will get the list of bad sectors in the messages file. You would have to use fsdebugger or something similar to find the specific stuff in that sector. On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 16:53:15 -0500 Roger Heflin wrote: Also usually the errors are found by linux doing a read against it, so there should be error messages on the reads in the messages file when it happened, that is usually what I use to determine what sectors are getting the error. Yea, I poked around in the logs and the very first thing that looks like any kind of error is the smart message showing up for the first time (and repeating every 30 minutes since then in an attempt to fill up the logs :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Question about TB
On 03/14/2015 06:22 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2015-03-13 at 19:19 -0400, Doug wrote: On 03/13/2015 02:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Hi all TB users, I have 2 gmail accounts. One for mailing lists, online transactions, ...etc, and one for family members to send me email to. On the account used for family, I send emails to someone, and then I check in the Sent folder. I do not see the message I just sent.\ This is standard practice on gmail. Don't know why you see your post on the other account. Just one more reason not to use gmail. I can't make out what you are saying is standard practice nor why you disagree with it. poc Ditto!! I have no idea where Doug is coming from. Prior Experience with TB?? I already indicated this is happening on only one of 2 accounts. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is SMART really that dumb?
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 16:53:15 -0500 Roger Heflin wrote: Also usually the errors are found by linux doing a read against it, so there should be error messages on the reads in the messages file when it happened, that is usually what I use to determine what sectors are getting the error. Yea, I poked around in the logs and the very first thing that looks like any kind of error is the smart message showing up for the first time (and repeating every 30 minutes since then in an attempt to fill up the logs :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Question about TB
On 03/13/2015 01:16 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/13/2015 11:11 AM, jd1008 wrote: On the account used for family, I send emails to someone, and then I check in the Sent folder. I do not see the message I just sent. Go to Edit-Account Settings. Select the account and look at Copies and Folders. If you haven't set TB to keep a copy of each outgoing message it doesn't. It Just Goes Away. All of the items under copies and folders (sent, archives, drafts and templates), are being saved in myusername@gmail.com so are those in the account jd1008. Disk space is hugely available, and the Sent folder is still way below 4GB. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: autoconnect bluetooth mouse?
On 03/14/2015 05:40 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2015-03-14 at 13:39 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: Just got a logitech bt m557 mouse. Using it on F21 (kde). One annoyance, it does not automatically connect when the machine wakes. To connect, I have to go to the bluetooth icon on my panel (without a mouse) and select the mouse, and click 'connect'. Any ideas? I have a similar situation. The mouse used to autoconnect under F20, and under F21 when I used KDM, but I switched to SDDM and Plasma 5 and now it occasionally works but mostly doesn't. This is annoying as I need to keep another mouse on hand to be able to click on the Bluetooth icon and enable the BT mouse. Which is ridiculous. I've reported this and other issues with Plasma 5 to BZ several weeks ago and had no feedback whatsoever. See https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343875 poc Just chiming in that I have had nothing but trouble using BT mice on every version of linux I used - specifically problems with how long it took to pair, and once the BT went to sleep, or the mouse went to sleep, BT never woke up. I am wondering why windows does a better job at it?? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is SMART really that dumb?
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:13:15 -0600 Chris Murphy wrote: The top post here is a good example of a URE due to media error. http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1034762.html Yep, that the sort of thing I was looking for in the logs, but there are no ata yadda-yadda complaints anywhere, just the normal boot time ata messages when it is initializing the device. The only errors I see are the sudden appearance of the smart messages. Can you post them? It's possible actual read errors happened a while ago, in which case dmesg won't have the error messages but either the journal or /var/log/messages will. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: autoconnect bluetooth mouse?
On Sat, 2015-03-14 at 17:45 -0600, jd1008 wrote: On 03/14/2015 05:40 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2015-03-14 at 13:39 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: Just got a logitech bt m557 mouse. Using it on F21 (kde). One annoyance, it does not automatically connect when the machine wakes. To connect, I have to go to the bluetooth icon on my panel (without a mouse) and select the mouse, and click 'connect'. Any ideas? I have a similar situation. The mouse used to autoconnect under F20, and under F21 when I used KDM, but I switched to SDDM and Plasma 5 and now it occasionally works but mostly doesn't. This is annoying as I need to keep another mouse on hand to be able to click on the Bluetooth icon and enable the BT mouse. Which is ridiculous. I've reported this and other issues with Plasma 5 to BZ several weeks ago and had no feedback whatsoever. See https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343875 poc Just chiming in that I have had nothing but trouble using BT mice on every version of linux I used - specifically problems with how long it took to pair, and once the BT went to sleep, or the mouse went to sleep, BT never woke up. I am wondering why windows does a better job at it?? In fact my experience has been mostly positive, apart from the problem already mentioned. I've used several Logitech mice plus my current one (made by Sondstrom). I do have a current issue with sleeping (see parallel thread) but the mouse has never failed to wake up. As to why Windows does it better (assuming it actually does): almost certainly because it has manufacturer-supplied drivers for each model. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is SMART really that dumb?
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 16:42:37 -0600 Chris Murphy wrote: If there's a definite latent sector error, this shows up with a 'smarctl -t long' which will be aborted at the first error found. The LBA for this shows up under LBA_of_first_error. I actually ran one of those when I first started seeing the messages (I've got another going now), and the prev test results were: # 2 Extended offlineCompleted without error 00% 17259 - So that lonely '-' out there apparently says there is no LBA with an error, the overall health assessment says PASSED, yet these have been showing up every half our or so for a week now: Mar 14 19:46:52 zooty smartd[812]: Device: /dev/sdc [SAT], 8 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors Mar 14 19:46:52 zooty smartd[812]: Device: /dev/sdc [SAT], 8 Offline uncorrectable sectors It seems to be telling me there is nothing wrong and something wrong at the same time. I'd probably just be happy with the PASSED health check if it wasn't constantly spewing these messages :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is SMART really that dumb?
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 16:42:37 -0600 Chris Murphy wrote: If there's a definite latent sector error, this shows up with a 'smarctl -t long' which will be aborted at the first error found. The LBA for this shows up under LBA_of_first_error. I actually ran one of those when I first started seeing the messages (I've got another going now), and the prev test results were: # 2 Extended offlineCompleted without error 00% 17259 - So that lonely '-' out there apparently says there is no LBA with an error, the overall health assessment says PASSED, yet these have been showing up every half our or so for a week now: Mar 14 19:46:52 zooty smartd[812]: Device: /dev/sdc [SAT], 8 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors Mar 14 19:46:52 zooty smartd[812]: Device: /dev/sdc [SAT], 8 Offline uncorrectable sectors This is consistent with a single sector on a 512e AF drive. If it's unreadable, somewhere in the journal or messages is a read error or link reset. You could search for media error and hard resetting link. What do you get for: # smartctl -x /dev/sdc # parted /dev/sdc u s p It seems to be telling me there is nothing wrong and something wrong at the same time. I'd probably just be happy with the PASSED health check if it wasn't constantly spewing these messages :-). A valid option is to keep the backups current and ignore it until the number goes up again. Another option is a non-destructive badblocks (omit the w) with -b 4096, and see if you can trigger a read error. A libata error will be a proper LBA. A badblocks error will need to be multiplied by 8 to get an LBA. This value then gets plugged into debugfs (this is ext4?) to find out what file is affected. And then it also gets plugged into a dd if=/dev/zero if=/dev/sdc bs=4096 seek=$((LBA/8)) to write over that sector - that'll fix this. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is SMART really that dumb?
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:33:13 -0600 Chris Murphy wrote: This is consistent with a single sector on a 512e AF drive. If it's unreadable, somewhere in the journal or messages is a read error or link reset. You could search for media error and hard resetting link. The logs go back to april of last year and there isn't a single instance of either of those (and the messages only started a week or so ago). What do you get for: # smartctl -x /dev/sdc # parted /dev/sdc u s p It's a little long, so I uploaded it here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7pVI_DKcKbySURleHpJSXdpZWs/view?usp=sharing There isn't anything vitally important on this drive, but I have lots of space on my new USB3 backup drive so I'm doing an rsync of the stuff it would be inconvenient to lose now (maybe that will trigger an I/O error somewhere). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is SMART really that dumb?
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: So, SMART reports it has N pending sectors. This must mean it knows exactly which sectors those are, but nothing in the SMART interface is willing to tell you what sectors it is talking about? If there's a definite latent sector error, this shows up with a 'smarctl -t long' which will be aborted at the first error found. The LBA for this shows up under LBA_of_first_error. The other way it will show up is in dmesg, libata will report the read error with the affected LBA. There's some chance of the drive attempting long recoveries, and the kernel SCSI/ATA command timer times out and does a link reset which stops the recovery and finding out what sector is affected. You could maybe correlate them with the filesystem structures and find out what files they might be affecting (or if they are just in free space), but that's not useful information for SMART to report? Please tell me I'm the one who is an idiot and I've just overlooked the obvious here :-). No, it requires esoteric knowledge. It's completely non-obvious and non-discoverable. Fedora actually has smartd running by default and it'll report some things into the journal; if it's minimally configured it can do smart -t long on a schedule and report more things. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Could someone explain why thunderbird creates so many processes per folder
For example: $ lsof | grep Sent thunderbi 3165 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf Gecko_IOT 3165 3192 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf Socket3165 3193 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf JS3165 3194 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf JS3165 3195 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf Hang 3165 3196 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf Cache23165 3197 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf Timer 3165 3198 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf gdbus 3165 3200 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf HTML5 3165 3202 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf mozStorag 3165 3203 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf Analysis 3165 3204 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf Analysis 3165 3205 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf DOM 3165 3211 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf Cert 3165 3217 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf URL 3165 3218 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf Network 3165 3219 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf mozStorag 3165 3220 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf dconf 3165 3221 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf Proxy 3165 3222 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf Cache 3165 3224 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf mozStorag 3165 3228 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf threaded- 3165 3265 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf gmain 3165 3316 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf mozStorag 3165 3386 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf DOM 3165 3773 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf mozStorag 3165 3775 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf MediaMana 3165 3782 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf DNS 3165 4087 jd 37u REG 8,19 3107745 62260168 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Sent.msf $ lsof | grep Inbox thunderbi 3165 jd 44u REG 8,19 2678870 62260180 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Inbox.msf Gecko_IOT 3165 3192 jd 44u REG 8,19 2678870 62260180 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Inbox.msf Socket3165 3193 jd 44u REG 8,19 2678870 62260180 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Inbox.msf JS3165 3194 jd 44u REG 8,19 2678870 62260180 /sdb3/home/jd/.thunderbird/jd1008/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Inbox.msf JS3165 3195 jd 44u REG 8,19 2678870 62260180
Re: autoconnect bluetooth mouse?
On Sat, 2015-03-14 at 13:39 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: Just got a logitech bt m557 mouse. Using it on F21 (kde). One annoyance, it does not automatically connect when the machine wakes. To connect, I have to go to the bluetooth icon on my panel (without a mouse) and select the mouse, and click 'connect'. Any ideas? I have a similar situation. The mouse used to autoconnect under F20, and under F21 when I used KDM, but I switched to SDDM and Plasma 5 and now it occasionally works but mostly doesn't. This is annoying as I need to keep another mouse on hand to be able to click on the Bluetooth icon and enable the BT mouse. Which is ridiculous. I've reported this and other issues with Plasma 5 to BZ several weeks ago and had no feedback whatsoever. See https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343875 poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Raid vs rsync -
TL;DR (at least not the entire thread) If you go with Rsync you may find incron an useful add-on as well as with it you can monitor a variety of events on any given file or directory, like OPEN_READ, CREATE, CLOSE, CLOSE_WRITE, etc - and this way backup your data in real time whenever a condition applies. Also if you will be rsyncing from one computer to another (in contrast to an attached storage) setting up an Rsync daemon on destination will make the sync to be faster and lighter than syncing over ssh; of course that if you need an encrypted connection between the two nodes you will likely be rsyncing over ssh. But again, if you trust your network, the Rsync daemon option will use much less resources. Also should you go with Rsync, setting up xinetd may be even a better option than having an Rsync daemon constantly running in your target server. HTH. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Roberto Ragusa m...@robertoragusa.it wrote: On 03/10/2015 09:38 PM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: Ideally the capacity of your rsync server would be many times that of your main server's data so you could make backups daily, weekly and monthly and save enough of them for file recovery in the event of human error. Actually not. You just a need a slightly larger server, if you use hardlinks: rsync with option --link-dest or utilities using the same principle (rsnapshot). You are perfectly right about human error. RAID-1 protects from disk failure (transparenty) rsync protects from human error (and disk failure, but with some inconvenience) -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- -Martin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is SMART really that dumb?
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:18:37 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: As long as the drive keeps working and the number of bad sectors doesn't increase, you don't need to do anything unusual. Except make more space for /var/log/messages as it spews the same dadgum errors over and over again :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Is SMART really that dumb?
So, SMART reports it has N pending sectors. This must mean it knows exactly which sectors those are, but nothing in the SMART interface is willing to tell you what sectors it is talking about? You could maybe correlate them with the filesystem structures and find out what files they might be affecting (or if they are just in free space), but that's not useful information for SMART to report? Please tell me I'm the one who is an idiot and I've just overlooked the obvious here :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is SMART really that dumb?
I have never found a way to get smart to report what specific sectors is pending. You can do a smartctl -l long against the device and generally it will stop when it hits that sector. Also usually the errors are found by linux doing a read against it, so there should be error messages on the reads in the messages file when it happened, that is usually what I use to determine what sectors are getting the error. On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: So, SMART reports it has N pending sectors. This must mean it knows exactly which sectors those are, but nothing in the SMART interface is willing to tell you what sectors it is talking about? You could maybe correlate them with the filesystem structures and find out what files they might be affecting (or if they are just in free space), but that's not useful information for SMART to report? Please tell me I'm the one who is an idiot and I've just overlooked the obvious here :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is SMART really that dumb?
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 16:53:15 -0500
Roger Heflin wrote:
Also usually the errors are found by linux doing a read against it, so
there should be error messages on the reads in the messages file when
it happened, that is usually what I use to determine what sectors are
getting the error.
Yea, I poked around in the logs and the very first thing
that looks like any kind of error is the smart message
showing up for the first time (and repeating every
30 minutes since then in an attempt to fill up the logs :-).
I'd say the first step is to confirm this is due to a media error
rather than something else, otherwise you end up down a rat hole.
The top post here is a good example of a URE due to media error.
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1034762.html
If the drive is attempting a recovery longer than 30 seconds, you'll
get errors along these lines (this is a write example, which is really
bad, the read version is more common).
[ 2161.457698] ata8.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x7ff SErr 0x0 action
0x6 frozen
[ 2161.457709] ata8.00: failed command: WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
[ 2161.457718] ata8.00: cmd 61/00:00:80:c4:2c/02:00:1e:00:00/40 tag 0
ncq 262144 out
res 40/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
[ 2161.457723] ata8.00: status: { DRDY }
...
[ 5628.308982] ata8.00: failed command: WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
[ 5628.308990] ata8.00: cmd 61/80:50:80:34:44/01:00:50:00:00/40 tag 10
ncq 196608 out
res 40/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
[ 5628.308993] ata8.00: status: { DRDY }
[ 5628.309000] ata8: hard resetting link
[ 5638.311674] ata8: softreset failed (1st FIS failed)
[ 5638.311686] ata8: hard resetting link
This is a how to on what to do about bad sectors, including partial recovery.
http://www.smartmontools.org/browser/trunk/www/badblockhowto.xml
But the tl;dr for all of that, in my opinion, is to update your
backups, and then obliterate the drive with writes. Only on a write
does the firmware determine if sector problems are transient or
persistent. If it's a persistent problem, then the LBA is reassigned
to a reserve sector. Once this is all done, then you can restore from
backups.
To do the write correctly, first you have to know if you have a 512n
or 512e drive. Most drives these days are 512e, or 512 byte logical,
4096 byte physical. The LBA error is for the first logical sector in
the bad physical sector. So writing over that 512 byte sector will not
work (it'll fail as a read error even though you're writing, due to a
read-modify-write attempt by the drive firmware). 'parted -l' will
tell you what type of drive you have is.
What I suggest is this:
# badblocks -b 4096 -svw /dev/sdX
This is destructive! Note that any block numbers that are reported by
badblocks at predicated on the -b value. So the reported value isn't a
sector LBA value. You have to multiply by 8 to get LBA. But after this
cycles through even once, the problem should be resolved. You could
let it run through all 8 passes (or whatever it is). What ought to be
true is you either get no errors (meaning all read errors weren't
media errors they were just bad data, like from torn writes or
something) or you get some write errors with reallocations on the
first pass. And no errors for subsequent passes. If any subsequent
passes have errors, especially corruption errors, then get rid of the
drive or turn it into a play thing or send it to me :-D
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Chris Murphy
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Re: Is SMART really that dumb?
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:13:15 -0600 Chris Murphy wrote: The top post here is a good example of a URE due to media error. http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1034762.html Yep, that the sort of thing I was looking for in the logs, but there are no ata yadda-yadda complaints anywhere, just the normal boot time ata messages when it is initializing the device. The only errors I see are the sudden appearance of the smart messages. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is SMART really that dumb?
On 03/14/2015 04:56 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: It seems to be telling me there is nothing wrong and something wrong at the same time. It looks to me as though it's not telling you that the drive is perfect but that the number of errors are is small enough that there's no reason to worry. As long as the drive keeps working and the number of bad sectors doesn't increase, you don't need to do anything unusual. (Making regular backups shouldn't be considered unusual.) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is SMART really that dumb?
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7pVI_DKcKbySURleHpJSXdpZWs/view?usp=sharing Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical It's a 512e AF drive. Whether using dd or badblocks to do this, the block size needs to be 4096 (bytes) to write to the full physical sector. dd defaults to 512 bytes, and badblocks to 1024 bytes, neither of which will work correctly on this drive. 198 Offline_Uncorrectable C- 100 100 000 - 8 Weird. Because of this, I'd expect an extended offline test to fail and report the first affected LBA. Thanks SMART. There isn't anything vitally important on this drive, but I have lots of space on my new USB3 backup drive so I'm doing an rsync of the stuff it would be inconvenient to lose now (maybe that will trigger an I/O error somewhere). If nothing is triggered with the backup, try a non-destructive badblocks or dd read of the drive. Any error reported by either of those that's not triggered by the backup is probably safe to just write over. Just make sure to get the block conversion right. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: installing fedora on HEWLETT PACKARD pavilion 500
Hi Chris, I followed your suggestion: I tried efibootmgr -v and I got this output: *efibootmgr: EFI variables are not supported on this system.* thinking that the installation is not good, I found this link: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/91620/arch-linux-grub-install-efi-variables-are-not-supported-on-this-system where is wrote : The problem was simply that the efivars kernel module was not loaded. I have not so much experience so I would ask you what to do.. perhaps it is enough to install the efivars kernel module. ? Thank you On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Angelo Moreschini mrangelo.fed...@gmail.com wrote: I already had some problem to install fedora on HP pavilion 500, but at last I was able to finish the installation. I got the message: installation complete and so I did the shutdown. The computer closed regular, (the system is going down for power out at ...) but when I try to open it again, I find this message on the screen: - boot device not found please install an operating system on your hard disk Hard DISK - (3F0) F2 - System Diagnostics for more information visit the site http://h18021.www1.hp.com/helpandsupport/hp-self-support.html The site don't explain nothing about a problem connected with linux and after running diagnostic I get the message : ERROR: no boot disk has been detected Curious. This is the 3rd such report in just a couple months, including myself. In my case it was intermittent though and Dell support concluded either logic board or SSD flakiness; and also mine was a dual boot scenario and sometimes happened even with Windows only installed on the system (and all Fedora NVRAM entries cleared). The fact that your on-board diagnostic doesn't see a drive suggests a hardware problem. But I wonder if there's something (efbootmgr + kernel tickling the firmware's NVRAM?) about Fedora that's instigating this? Or if it's just coincidence. I guess the sample size isn't big enough to know. What happens if you boot from install media, and capture both dmesg efiboomgr -v ? In my case, dmesg clearly showed the lack of proper ACPI initialization, no drive was found at all. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Question about TB
On Fri, 2015-03-13 at 19:19 -0400, Doug wrote: On 03/13/2015 02:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Hi all TB users, I have 2 gmail accounts. One for mailing lists, online transactions, ...etc, and one for family members to send me email to. On the account used for family, I send emails to someone, and then I check in the Sent folder. I do not see the message I just sent.\ This is standard practice on gmail. Don't know why you see your post on the other account. Just one more reason not to use gmail. I can't make out what you are saying is standard practice nor why you disagree with it. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
autoconnect bluetooth mouse?
Just got a logitech bt m557 mouse. Using it on F21 (kde). One annoyance, it does not automatically connect when the machine wakes. To connect, I have to go to the bluetooth icon on my panel (without a mouse) and select the mouse, and click 'connect'. Any ideas? -- Those who fail to understand recursion are doomed to repeat it -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
