Re: Altair 8800
On 06/18/2015 06:01 PM, Fulko Hew wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Bus termination wasn't mandatory, but it sure as hell helped. Some company (can't remember who) developed an active terminator board that was much better than just passive resistors, I don't have silk screening on mine, but I'm pretty sure it was Processor Tech that made it. I bypassed the 4 slot and went straight to that backplane, and its 16 slots. It was the IMSAI that put in a 22 slot backplane. Yeah, it could have been PT. I was thinking them, Cromemco or TDL (Technical Design Labs, who also made the Z80 processor board). Yes, IMSAI had the 22-slot single-piece motherboard and IIRC an 18A 8V power supply (more like 10V) and a front panel with the bit switches laid out in hex rather than the octal used on the Altair (although I think the Altair was prettier). When I built my three Altairs, the single-piece motherboard wasn't available. PS. Thanks for making me look at mine. My machine was warm! Turns out my add-on 8V supply has been on for the last couple of months and I didn't even know it. Heheheheh! Well, it was a nice trip down memory lane. Now I gotta go dig through my various Amiga stuff (I had at least one of every Amiga made) and see what's still there. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- -Brain: The organ with which we think that we think.- -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Altair 8800
On Thu, 2015-06-18 at 21:01 -0400, Fulko Hew wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > > > Bus termination wasn't mandatory, but it sure as hell helped. Some > > company (can't remember who) developed an active terminator board that > > was much better than just passive resistors, > > I don't have silk screening on mine, but I'm pretty sure it was Processor Tech > that made it. I bypassed the 4 slot and went straight to that backplane, > and its 16 slots. It was the IMSAI that put in a 22 slot backplane. > > PS. Thanks for making me look at mine. My machine was warm! > Turns out my add-on 8V supply has been on for the last couple of months > and I didn't even know it. WOW.. I thought I was the only one on here with an 8800. Mine is a B model with the Quiet bus installed and runs at I think 8Mhz. But its been a while. I also have the Zilog Z80 board in it as well as a very early modem and terminal driver for the TV set type display. And the whole shebang of 64K. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Altair 8800
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > Bus termination wasn't mandatory, but it sure as hell helped. Some > company (can't remember who) developed an active terminator board that > was much better than just passive resistors, I don't have silk screening on mine, but I'm pretty sure it was Processor Tech that made it. I bypassed the 4 slot and went straight to that backplane, and its 16 slots. It was the IMSAI that put in a 22 slot backplane. PS. Thanks for making me look at mine. My machine was warm! Turns out my add-on 8V supply has been on for the last couple of months and I didn't even know it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/19/15 08:44, Mickey wrote: > > > On 06/18/2015 08:25 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> # fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct >>> setting up repos... >>> No upgrade available for the following repos: infinality infinality-noarch >>> getting boot images... >>> .treeinfo.signed | 2.2 kB 00:00:00 >>> setting up update... >>> fedup.yum WARNING: nothing added for fedora-release-nonproduct >>> finding updates 100% >>> [] >>> WARNING: potential problems with upgrade >>>pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires >>> libgcj-4.8.3-7.fc20.i686 (replaced by libgcc-4.9.2-6.fc21.i686) >>>pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires >>> itext-2.1.7-21.fc20.i686 (replaced by itext-2.1.7-27.fc21.noarch) >>> verify local files 100% >>> [=] >>> celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686.rpm FAILED ] 360 kB/s | 1.4 MB 00:01:05 ETA >>> libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686.r FAILED - >>> ] 441 kB/s | 2.4 MB 00:00:50 ETA >>> app-install-data-postinstaller FAILED >>> =-] 316 kB/s | 24 MB >>> 00:00:00 ETA >>> (1/3): app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch.rpm 99% >>> [==-] 316 kB/s | >>> 24 MB 00:00:00 ETA >>> Downloading failed: Errors were encountered while downloading packages. >>>libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. >>>app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch: [Errno 256] No more >>> mirrors to try. >>>celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. >> You seem to have several "non-standard" repos enabled. libdvdcss comes from >> the remi repository, for example. >> >> You may want to disable all those and try again before doing a reinstall. >> > These are all F20 repos, what would they have to do with F21 ? > > churchyard-chromium-russianfedora-tested.repo > google-talkplugin.repo > rpmfusion-free.repo > rpmfusion-nonfree-updates.repo > fedora.repo > infinality.repo > rpmfusion-free-updates.repo > rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing.repo > fedora-updates.repo > livna.repo > rpmfusion-free-updates-testing.repo > fedora-updates-testing.repo > postinstallerf.repo > rpmfusion-nonfree-rawhide.repo > fedy.repo > fedup tries to update from all enabled repos. I would disable churchyard-chromium-russianfedora-tested.repo google-talkplugin.repo infinality.repo livna.repo postinstallerf.repo fedy.repo and try again. rpmfusion is pretty good at keeping their stuff up-to-date and in good shape so I would leave those enabled. -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: temperature spec for ATI Fire GL 4900?
Quoting Ed Greshko : On 06/19/15 05:34, Dave Stevens wrote: I can see the temperature but the specs don't show a normal range, anyone know where to find the operating temperature design range for this GPU? If the official AMD documents don't specify the temperature range, you can consider typing "ati firegl v4900 temperature" in a google search and find article like this one http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_firepro_v4900&num=9 to see what others have experienced. Thanks, Ed. Saw the article but somehow missed that page; just what I wanted. Dave -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- "As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business, the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance." -- John Dewey -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 08:25 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/19/15 08:17, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:46 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: fedup --network21 --product non-product ERROR Message; # fedup --network21 --product non-product usage: fedup [options] fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product' (choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct') Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify "nonproduct" as one word. Temlakos # fedup --network 21 nonproduct usage: fedup [options] fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct The command is: fedup --product nonproduct --network 21 -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on tape somewhere, but - - probably not recoverable.- -- FAILURE !!! Well I guess I will have to back to the old way, Fresh Install. # fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct setting up repos... No upgrade available for the following repos: infinality infinality-noarch getting boot images... .treeinfo.signed | 2.2 kB 00:00:00 setting up update... fedup.yum WARNING: nothing added for fedora-release-nonproduct finding updates 100% [] WARNING: potential problems with upgrade pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires libgcj-4.8.3-7.fc20.i686 (replaced by libgcc-4.9.2-6.fc21.i686) pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires itext-2.1.7-21.fc20.i686 (replaced by itext-2.1.7-27.fc21.noarch) verify local files 100% [=] celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686.rpm FAILED ] 360 kB/s | 1.4 MB 00:01:05 ETA libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686.r FAILED - ] 441 kB/s | 2.4 MB 00:00:50 ETA app-install-data-postinstaller FAILED =-] 316 kB/s | 24 MB 00:00:00 ETA (1/3): app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch.rpm 99% [==-] 316 kB/s | 24 MB 00:00:00 ETA Downloading failed: Errors were encountered while downloading packages. libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. You seem to have several "non-standard" repos enabled. libdvdcss comes from the remi repository, for example. You may want to disable all those and try again before doing a reinstall. These are all F20 repos, what would they have to do with F21 ? churchyard-chromium-russianfedora-tested.repo google-talkplugin.repo rpmfusion-free.repo rpmfusion-nonfree-updates.repo fedora.repo infinality.repo rpmfusion-free-updates.repo rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing.repo fedora-updates.repo livna.repo rpmfusion-free-updates-testing.repo fedora-updates-testing.repo postinstallerf.repo rpmfusion-nonfree-rawhide.repo fedy.repo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/19/15 08:17, Mickey wrote: > > > On 06/18/2015 07:46 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: >> On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote: > > > On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: >> fedup --network21 --product non-product > > ERROR Message; > > # fedup --network21 --product non-product > usage: fedup [options] > fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product' > (choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct') > Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify "nonproduct" as one word. Temlakos >>> >>> # fedup --network 21 nonproduct >>> usage: fedup [options] >>> fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct >> >> The command is: >> >> fedup --product nonproduct --network 21 >> >> -- >> - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ri...@alldigital.com - >> - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - >> - - >> - I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on tape somewhere, but - >> - probably not recoverable.- >> -- > > FAILURE !!! > Well I guess I will have to back to the old way, Fresh Install. > > > # fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct > setting up repos... > No upgrade available for the following repos: infinality infinality-noarch > getting boot images... > .treeinfo.signed | 2.2 kB 00:00:00 > setting up update... > fedup.yum WARNING: nothing added for fedora-release-nonproduct > finding updates 100% > [] > WARNING: potential problems with upgrade > pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires libgcj-4.8.3-7.fc20.i686 > (replaced by libgcc-4.9.2-6.fc21.i686) > pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires itext-2.1.7-21.fc20.i686 > (replaced by itext-2.1.7-27.fc21.noarch) > verify local files 100% > [=] > celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686.rpm FAILED ] 360 kB/s | 1.4 MB 00:01:05 ETA > libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686.r FAILED - > ] 441 kB/s | 2.4 MB 00:00:50 ETA > app-install-data-postinstaller FAILED > =-] 316 kB/s | 24 MB > 00:00:00 ETA > (1/3): app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch.rpm 99% > [==-] 316 kB/s | 24 > MB 00:00:00 ETA > Downloading failed: Errors were encountered while downloading packages. > libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch: [Errno 256] No more > mirrors to try. > celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. You seem to have several "non-standard" repos enabled. libdvdcss comes from the remi repository, for example. You may want to disable all those and try again before doing a reinstall. -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 07:46 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: fedup --network21 --product non-product ERROR Message; # fedup --network21 --product non-product usage: fedup [options] fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product' (choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct') Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify "nonproduct" as one word. Temlakos # fedup --network 21 nonproduct usage: fedup [options] fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct The command is: fedup --product nonproduct --network 21 -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on tape somewhere, but - - probably not recoverable.- -- FAILURE !!! Well I guess I will have to back to the old way, Fresh Install. # fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct setting up repos... No upgrade available for the following repos: infinality infinality-noarch getting boot images... .treeinfo.signed | 2.2 kB 00:00:00 setting up update... fedup.yum WARNING: nothing added for fedora-release-nonproduct finding updates 100% [] WARNING: potential problems with upgrade pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires libgcj-4.8.3-7.fc20.i686 (replaced by libgcc-4.9.2-6.fc21.i686) pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires itext-2.1.7-21.fc20.i686 (replaced by itext-2.1.7-27.fc21.noarch) verify local files 100% [=] celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686.rpm FAILED ] 360 kB/s | 1.4 MB 00:01:05 ETA libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686.r FAILED - ] 441 kB/s | 2.4 MB 00:00:50 ETA app-install-data-postinstaller FAILED =-] 316 kB/s | 24 MB 00:00:00 ETA (1/3): app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch.rpm 99% [==-] 316 kB/s | 24 MB 00:00:00 ETA Downloading failed: Errors were encountered while downloading packages. libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: fedup --network21 --product non-product ERROR Message; # fedup --network21 --product non-product usage: fedup [options] fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product' (choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct') Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify "nonproduct" as one word. Temlakos # fedup --network 21 nonproduct usage: fedup [options] fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct The command is: fedup --product nonproduct --network 21 -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on tape somewhere, but - - probably not recoverable.- -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 04:09 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 06:08 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/18/2015 02:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/18/2015 02:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-) And, just as with getting SCSI to work, always use black candles! I was on the ANSI SCSI committee back in the day (like 30 years ago) so I had "special powers" and could get by with dark blue candles and only having to pluck a live chicken on alternate Tuesdays to get my drives to work. I still have a bunch of the old 220/330 ohm DIP packs (the blue ones) to terminate cables if you need any. :-) I was also incredibly stupid back then, so I mistakenly volunteered and got stuffed onto the ANSI C committee as well. At least that had the silliness of PJ Plaugher of Whitesmiths on the committee, too: Under "Bugs" on the Whitesmiths' C users' guide for "onexit() (their library's version of what became "atexit()"): "The type declarations defy description and are still wrong." And under "Bugs" for "cpystr()" (their version of "strcpy()"): "Forgetting the terminating null is mildly perilous." PJ was nothing if not, uhm, "clever". :-p Rick do you remember the old S100 bus on computers, it was very important to have the bus terminated ? Sure do! I had several Altair 8800s. My first one was serial number 3 that I bought directly from Ed Roberts at MITS in Albuquerque. The motherboards came in 4-slot chunks and you had to jumper them together with 100 2" long wires. Fully expanded, you had 18 motherboard slots. Power supply was woefully undersized at only about 12A for the 8V bus. Not nearly enough. Bus termination wasn't mandatory, but it sure as hell helped. Some company (can't remember who) developed an active terminator board that was much better than just passive resistors, but stability also depended on how well designed the daughter cards were. Some had very weak bus drivers that couldn't reliably drive the bus once it had a number of cards on it. And remember, the fastest processor you could get back then was the Zilog Z80 at a mind-bending (wait for it..) 4MHz! The standard Intel 8080 was 2MHz and the 8085 theoretically could run at 3MHz, but I never saw a stable one at that speed. I did see the LSI 9080 run at 3MHz pretty solidly, but they were pretty rare. I also had two IMSAI 8080s (22-slot motherboards), a Polymorphic 88, a Processor Tech Sol 20, Vector Graphic V80 and lots of others. I had ASR and KSR 33 teletypes (the ASRs had paper tape punches and readers), Tarbell cassette adapters, DEC VT100 terminals, ICOM floppies (later replaced with Micropolis drives when I went to work for them) and lots of other bits and pieces. This was back in, let's see, 1977 or 1978. Interesting tidbit: The S100 connector was chosen by Ed Roberts at MITS because he bought a job lot of them (about 1000) as surplus, dirt cheap. Since MITS was the first in the industry, that standard stuck. Weird but true! And yes, I am that farking old. I fart dust. :-) -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 06:40 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: fedup --network21 --product non-product ERROR Message; # fedup --network21 --product non-product usage: fedup [options] fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product' (choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct') Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify "nonproduct" as one word. Temlakos # fedup --network 21 nonproduct usage: fedup [options] fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct # fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct -- Dan Mossor, RHCSA Systems Engineer Fedora Server WG | Fedora KDE WG | Fedora QA Team Fedora Infrastructure Apprentice FAS: dmossor IRC: danofsatx San Antonio, Texas, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: fedup --network21 --product non-product ERROR Message; # fedup --network21 --product non-product usage: fedup [options] fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product' (choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct') Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify "nonproduct" as one word. Temlakos # fedup --network 21 nonproduct usage: fedup [options] fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: fedup --network21 --product non-product ERROR Message; # fedup --network21 --product non-product usage: fedup [options] fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product' (choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct') Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify "nonproduct" as one word. Temlakos -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: fedup --network21 --product non-product ERROR Message; # fedup --network21 --product non-product usage: fedup [options] fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product' (choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct') -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 06:08 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/18/2015 02:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/18/2015 02:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-) And, just as with getting SCSI to work, always use black candles! I was on the ANSI SCSI committee back in the day (like 30 years ago) so I had "special powers" and could get by with dark blue candles and only having to pluck a live chicken on alternate Tuesdays to get my drives to work. I still have a bunch of the old 220/330 ohm DIP packs (the blue ones) to terminate cables if you need any. :-) I was also incredibly stupid back then, so I mistakenly volunteered and got stuffed onto the ANSI C committee as well. At least that had the silliness of PJ Plaugher of Whitesmiths on the committee, too: Under "Bugs" on the Whitesmiths' C users' guide for "onexit() (their library's version of what became "atexit()"): "The type declarations defy description and are still wrong." And under "Bugs" for "cpystr()" (their version of "strcpy()"): "Forgetting the terminating null is mildly perilous." PJ was nothing if not, uhm, "clever". :-p -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - -"Hello. My PID is Inigo Montoya. You `kill -9'-ed my parent- - process. Prepare to vi." - -- Rick do you remember the old S100 bus on computers, it was very important to have the bus terminated ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login
On 06/18/2015 02:27 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 17:16, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote: On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with enabled services. I *have* applied all updates as of a few hours ago to no effect.) do you have a choice of logins, like KDE/gnome?? maybe you didn't allow enough space for root.. Does "TTY" count? I'd be quite surprised if changing DE works when I can't log in at a TTY either. It *might* be kdm, though I don't claim to know how to change that. BTW, 'systemctl start graphical.target' from single-user mode also kills the system. Then you definitely have a graphics issue. Bring it up in single user mode and have a look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to see if there's anything that might point to an issue. I had an issue on one machine with nouveau on a specific video card. Using an nVidia binary blob driver overcame that. It's an AMD (GPU, not CPU). Anyway, I am allergic to proprietary software :-). Nothing in any of the Xorg.*.log*'s jumps out at me. ~user/.xsession-errors is empty. If it makes you feel any better or gives you hope: [root@hamster log]# cat /etc/issue Fedora release 21 (Twenty One) Kernel \r on an \m (\l) [root@hamster log]# uname -r 4.0.4-201.fc21.x86_64 [root@hamster log]# lspci | grep VGA 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS880 [Radeon HD 4200] [root@hamster log]# grep "ATI" Xorg.0.log [64.198] (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon Mobility X600 (M24) 3150 (PCIE), ATI FireMV 2400 (PCI), ATI Radeon Mobility X300 (M24) 3152 (PCIE), ATI FireGL M24 GL 3154 (PCIE), ATI FireMV 2400 3155 (PCI), ATI Radeon X600 (RV380) 3E50 (PCIE), ATI FireGL V3200 (RV380) 3E54 (PCIE), ATI Radeon IGP320 (A3) 4136, ATI Radeon IGP330/340/350 (A4) 4137, ATI Radeon 9500 AD (AGP), ATI Radeon 9500 AE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600TX AF (AGP), ATI FireGL Z1 AG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800SE AH (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 AI (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 AJ (AGP), ATI FireGL X2 AK (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600 AP (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600SE AQ (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600XT AR (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600 AS (AGP), ATI FireGL T2 AT (AGP), ATI Radeon 9650, ATI FireGL RV360 AV (AGP), ATI Radeon 7000 IGP (A4+) 4237, ATI Radeon 8500 AIW BB (AGP), ATI Radeon IGP320M (U1) 4336, ATI Radeon IGP330M/340M/350M (U2) 4337, ATI Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP 4437, ATI Radeon 9000/PRO If (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon 9000 Ig (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JH (AGP), ATI Radeon X800PRO (R420) JI (AGP), ATI Radeon X800SE (R420) JJ (AGP), ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JK (AGP), ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JL (AGP), ATI FireGL X3 (R420) JM (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9800 (M18) JN (AGP), ATI Radeon X800 SE (R420) (AGP), ATI Radeon X800XT (R420) JP (AGP), ATI Radeon X800 VE (R420) JT (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 (R480) (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 XT (R480) (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 SE (R480) (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 PRO (R480) (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 XT PE (R480) (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility M7 LW (AGP), ATI Mobility FireGL 7800 M7 LX (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LY (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LZ (AGP), ATI FireGL Mobility 9000 (M9) Ld (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lf (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lg (AGP), ATI FireMV 2400 PCI, ATI Radeon 9700 Pro ND (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700/9500Pro NE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600TX NF (AGP), ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800PRO NH (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 NI (AGP), ATI FireGL X2 NK (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800XT NJ (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600/9700 (M10/M11) NP (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NQ (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M11) NR (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NS (AGP), ATI FireGL Mobility T2 (M10) NT (AGP), ATI FireGL Mobility T2e (M11) NV (AGP), ATI Radeon QD (AGP), ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP), ATI FireGL 8700/8800 QH (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 QL (AGP), ATI Radeon 9100 QM (AGP), ATI Radeon 7500 QW (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon 7500 QX (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon VE/7000 QY (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon VE/7000 QZ (AGP/PCI), ATI ES1000 515E (PCI), ATI Radeon Mobility X300 (M22) 5460 (PCIE), ATI Radeon Mobility X600 SE (M24C) 5462 (PCIE), ATI FireGL M22 GL 5464 (PCIE), ATI Radeon X800 (R423) UH (PCIE), ATI Radeon X800PRO (R423) UI (PCIE), ATI Radeon X800LE (R423) UJ (PCIE), ATI Radeon X800SE (R423) UK (PCIE), ATI Radeon X800
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 03:08 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: I was on the ANSI SCSI committee back in the day (like 30 years ago) so I had "special powers" and could get by with dark blue candles and only having to pluck a live chicken on alternate Tuesdays to get my drives to work. I still have a bunch of the old 220/330 ohm DIP packs (the blue ones) to terminate cables if you need any. :-) For those of you too young to remember, it used to be said that you needed three terminations to get a SCSI chain to work: one on each end, plus the goat you had to sacrifice; and always use BLACK candles! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 03:07 PM, Mickey wrote: You do have a point. Yes, I know I do. That's why I usually wear a hat so that nobody notices. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 02:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/18/2015 02:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-) And, just as with getting SCSI to work, always use black candles! I was on the ANSI SCSI committee back in the day (like 30 years ago) so I had "special powers" and could get by with dark blue candles and only having to pluck a live chicken on alternate Tuesdays to get my drives to work. I still have a bunch of the old 220/330 ohm DIP packs (the blue ones) to terminate cables if you need any. :-) I was also incredibly stupid back then, so I mistakenly volunteered and got stuffed onto the ANSI C committee as well. At least that had the silliness of PJ Plaugher of Whitesmiths on the committee, too: Under "Bugs" on the Whitesmiths' C users' guide for "onexit() (their library's version of what became "atexit()"): "The type declarations defy description and are still wrong." And under "Bugs" for "cpystr()" (their version of "strcpy()"): "Forgetting the terminating null is mildly perilous." PJ was nothing if not, uhm, "clever". :-p -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- -"Hello. My PID is Inigo Montoya. You `kill -9'-ed my parent- - process. Prepare to vi." - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 06:02 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/18/2015 02:57 PM, Mickey wrote: BACKUP!!! , I'm getting the feeling that Fedup isn't trustworthy. Backing up before doing a system upgrade is simply common sense. And, what you really need to back up is /home. Yes, having on a separate partition is a good idea, and you can reinstall if needed without reformatting it, but it's still better to be safe than sorry. You do have a point. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 02:57 PM, Mickey wrote: BACKUP!!! , I'm getting the feeling that Fedup isn't trustworthy. Backing up before doing a system upgrade is simply common sense. And, what you really need to back up is /home. Yes, having on a separate partition is a good idea, and you can reinstall if needed without reformatting it, but it's still better to be safe than sorry. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:31 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:15 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 04:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? Sure, it will. But: for the F20 -> F21 upgrade only, you must pass --product = non-product. Thereafter (say, for F21->F22), just "do it" without having to pass that flag. Temlakos A little confused. fedup --network 21 --product non-product or fedup --product = non-product, which one ? The first one. Execute fedup --network21 --product non-product as a "superuser," then reboot. Temlakos BACKUP!!! , I'm getting the feeling that Fedup isn't trustworthy. I have customize partitions , a / and a /home partitions . is this any problem for Fedup ? I have always done a Fresh Install and never had any problems with my /home partition because I never formatted it like I did my / partition. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: temperature spec for ATI Fire GL 4900?
On 06/19/15 05:34, Dave Stevens wrote: > > I can see the temperature but the specs don't show a normal range, anyone > know where to find the operating temperature design range for this GPU? If the official AMD documents don't specify the temperature range, you can consider typing "ati firegl v4900 temperature" in a google search and find article like this one http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_firepro_v4900&num=9 to see what others have experienced. -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 02:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-) And, just as with getting SCSI to work, always use black candles! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login
On 06/18/2015 02:27 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Nothing in any of the Xorg.*.log*'s jumps out at me. ~user/.xsession-errors is empty. That would probably tell us quite a bit if we knew just when in the session the file gets created. Alas, I don't, but maybe somebody else will. There should also be a ~/.xsession-errors.old and with luck, it might have something in it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login
On 06/18/2015 02:27 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 17:16, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote: On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with enabled services. I *have* applied all updates as of a few hours ago to no effect.) do you have a choice of logins, like KDE/gnome?? maybe you didn't allow enough space for root.. Does "TTY" count? I'd be quite surprised if changing DE works when I can't log in at a TTY either. It *might* be kdm, though I don't claim to know how to change that. BTW, 'systemctl start graphical.target' from single-user mode also kills the system. Then you definitely have a graphics issue. Bring it up in single user mode and have a look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to see if there's anything that might point to an issue. I had an issue on one machine with nouveau on a specific video card. Using an nVidia binary blob driver overcame that. It's an AMD (GPU, not CPU). Anyway, I am allergic to proprietary software :-). Nothing in any of the Xorg.*.log*'s jumps out at me. ~user/.xsession-errors is empty. Maybe we can catch log entries before it completely dies. Bring the system up in single user mode, then edit /etc/systemd/journald.conf. Find the line: #ForwardToSyslog=no Change it to: ForwardToSyslog=yes and save the file. This should cause journald to forward log entries to the old system logger. Reboot and force the crash. Hopefully, the messages will get logged to /var/log/messages before you lose the log daemon. Reboot again to single user mode and look at /var/log/messages to see if you caught it. Change the line in /etc/systemd/journald.conf back to put things back the way they were. NOTE: I've not tried this myself. Others have told me it works and I'm just passing it along. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - UNIX is actually quite user friendly. The problem is that it's - - just very picky of who its friends are! - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 05:31 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:15 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 04:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? Sure, it will. But: for the F20 -> F21 upgrade only, you must pass --product = non-product. Thereafter (say, for F21->F22), just "do it" without having to pass that flag. Temlakos A little confused. fedup --network 21 --product non-product or fedup --product = non-product, which one ? The first one. Execute fedup --network21 --product non-product as a "superuser," then reboot. Temlakos -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
OT: temperature spec for ATI Fire GL 4900?
I can see the temperature but the specs don't show a normal range, anyone know where to find the operating temperature design range for this GPU? Dave -- "As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business, the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance." -- John Dewey -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 02:22 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:09 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? It will upgrade everything you have installed, provided that it's from a properly-configured repository. (As examples, there are special repos for Adobe and for Google Earth, and if you have them set up, they'll be included in the upgrade.) Is there a particular reason you thought that it wouldn't, or are you just trying to be careful? Trying to be careful. Good. Make a COMPLETE backup first, then use $ sudo fedup --product=nonproduct --network 21 Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-) -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- -The gene pool could use a little chlorine. - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 05:15 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 04:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? Sure, it will. But: for the F20 -> F21 upgrade only, you must pass --product = non-product. Thereafter (say, for F21->F22), just "do it" without having to pass that flag. Temlakos A little confused. fedup --network 21 --product non-product or fedup --product = non-product, which one ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login
On 2015-06-18 17:16, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote: >>> On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with enabled services. I *have* applied all updates as of a few hours ago to no effect.) >>> >>> do you have a choice of logins, like KDE/gnome?? >>> maybe you didn't allow enough space for root.. >> >> Does "TTY" count? I'd be quite surprised if changing DE works when I >> can't log in at a TTY either. It *might* be kdm, though I don't claim to >> know how to change that. >> >> BTW, 'systemctl start graphical.target' from single-user mode also kills >> the system. > > Then you definitely have a graphics issue. Bring it up in single user > mode and have a look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to see if there's > anything that might point to an issue. I had an issue on one machine > with nouveau on a specific video card. Using an nVidia binary blob > driver overcame that. It's an AMD (GPU, not CPU). Anyway, I am allergic to proprietary software :-). Nothing in any of the Xorg.*.log*'s jumps out at me. ~user/.xsession-errors is empty. -- Matthew -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 05:09 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? It will upgrade everything you have installed, provided that it's from a properly-configured repository. (As examples, there are special repos for Adobe and for Google Earth, and if you have them set up, they'll be included in the upgrade.) Is there a particular reason you thought that it wouldn't, or are you just trying to be careful? Trying to be careful. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login
On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Hmm... is it expected that there are no entries*at all* for the last few boots? The only entries I have are for June 5. (And yes, my system date is correct: June 18.) Anyway, I have no idea what I'd be looking for. If memory serves, most of the file system isn't mounted in single-user mode. You can use this to mount everything once you've gotten to a command line: mount -a Once you've done that, you can go to your regular user's home directory: cd /home/$USER and examine the hidden file .xsession-errors to see if X even started, and why it crashed. Just remember, you'll be running as root, so be very, very careful about deleting files. (My preference when I have to do things like this is to rename them instead of deleting them, although it's easy to forget to clean up later. Still, it's better than nuking something that you really, really needed.) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 04:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? Sure, it will. But: for the F20 -> F21 upgrade only, you must pass --product = non-product. Thereafter (say, for F21->F22), just "do it" without having to pass that flag. Temlakos -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login
On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote: On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with enabled services. I *have* applied all updates as of a few hours ago to no effect.) do you have a choice of logins, like KDE/gnome?? maybe you didn't allow enough space for root.. Does "TTY" count? I'd be quite surprised if changing DE works when I can't log in at a TTY either. It *might* be kdm, though I don't claim to know how to change that. BTW, 'systemctl start graphical.target' from single-user mode also kills the system. Then you definitely have a graphics issue. Bring it up in single user mode and have a look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to see if there's anything that might point to an issue. I had an issue on one machine with nouveau on a specific video card. Using an nVidia binary blob driver overcame that. does # df -h show enough space in root? / 108G /boot 336M /boot/efi 55M /var 119G /home 881G New system, remember? There's nothing on it but the initial install (modulo updates). I haven't even gotten to installing additional software that I'll eventually want, because the system is unusable ATM. if you can get in as single user you might look at journalctl to see what happened when it locks up Hmm... is it expected that there are no entries *at all* for the last few boots? The only entries I have are for June 5. (And yes, my system date is correct: June 18.) Anyway, I have no idea what I'd be looking for. If it croaked before the log entries got flushed to disk, yeah, that's possible. By default, syncs to disk occur every five minutes so if journald or systemd seize up before that period, you have no logs. Yet another stupid idea forced on us by the systemd/journald idiocy. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - We are born naked, wet and hungry. Then things get worse. - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login
On 2015-06-18 12:54, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > I just installed F22 (KDE spin) from scratch on a new Dell M6800. The > Live CD seemed to run okay, but when I try to boot the installed OS, it > (almost¹) invariably freezes when I try to log in. The machine is > effectively unusable as a result. HEY! Turns out I *really can't log in*! I managed to persuade the machine to bring the network up on startup, and *I can't log in remotely either*. Same symptoms; as soon as I try, the machine locks up. KDM remains more or less responsive, but TTY switching, which would otherwise work, results in a permanently black screen. Oh... and /var/log/messages isn't actually just unhelpful, it's *corrupt*... both less and vi show a bunch of '^@' special characters where recent log entries ought to be. I have (many) entries from June 5, then one or two fragments from June 14 and again from today... but literally just a few lines, *nothing* like the hundreds of lines I *should* have from a normal boot-up. -- Matthew -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? It will upgrade everything you have installed, provided that it's from a properly-configured repository. (As examples, there are special repos for Adobe and for Google Earth, and if you have them set up, they'll be included in the upgrade.) Is there a particular reason you thought that it wouldn't, or are you just trying to be careful? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Using Fedup
On 06/18/2015 03:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? Yes. You will need to use the following command: # fedup --network 21 --product non-product Regards, Dan -- Dan Mossor, RHCSA Systems Engineer Fedora Server WG | Fedora KDE WG | Fedora QA Team Fedora Infrastructure Apprentice FAS: dmossor IRC: danofsatx San Antonio, Texas, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login
On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as >> soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user >> mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with >> enabled services. I *have* applied all updates as of a few hours ago to >> no effect.) > > do you have a choice of logins, like KDE/gnome?? > maybe you didn't allow enough space for root.. Does "TTY" count? I'd be quite surprised if changing DE works when I can't log in at a TTY either. It *might* be kdm, though I don't claim to know how to change that. BTW, 'systemctl start graphical.target' from single-user mode also kills the system. > does # df -h > show enough space in root? / 108G /boot 336M /boot/efi 55M /var 119G /home 881G New system, remember? There's nothing on it but the initial install (modulo updates). I haven't even gotten to installing additional software that I'll eventually want, because the system is unusable ATM. > if you can get in as single user you might look at journalctl to see > what happened when it locks up Hmm... is it expected that there are no entries *at all* for the last few boots? The only entries I have are for June 5. (And yes, my system date is correct: June 18.) Anyway, I have no idea what I'd be looking for. -- Matthew -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Using Fedup
Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login
On 18.06.2015, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > I don't know offhand how to set up serial login Set up the console and output in grub.cfg: serial --speed=115200 --unit=0 --word=8 --parity=no --stop=1 terminal_input serial terminal_output serial Then tell the kernel to use it (grub.cfg, as a kernel parameter): console=tty0 console=ttyUSB0 Now, you just have to connect another PC to the serial port of your machine. Reboot, and fire up minicom or something similar, and you'll get a login screen (and the redirected output). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login
On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as > soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user > mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with > enabled services. I *have* applied all updates as of a few hours ago to > no effect.) > > -- do you have a choice of logins, like KDE/gnome?? maybe you didn't allow enough space for root.. does # df -h show enough space in root? you might try installing a lightweight DM like LXDE or XFCE4.. if you can get in as single user you might look at journalctl to see what happened when it locks up -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux User #367800 and new counter #561587 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F22 unusable - system freezes on login
(First try apparently got eaten; apologies if this is a duplicate.) I just installed F22 (KDE spin) from scratch on a new Dell M6800. The Live CD seemed to run okay, but when I try to boot the installed OS, it (almost¹) invariably freezes when I try to log in. The machine is effectively unusable as a result. Has anyone else encountered this? Can anyone recommend a course of diagnostics? I'm unable to even get the machine into a state that would allow remote login (over ssh anyway, and I don't know offhand how to set up serial login), and I've not seen anything in /var/log/messages that might indicate a problem. (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with enabled services. I *have* applied all updates as of a few hours ago to no effect.) -- Matthew -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: question/problem re: smplayer and mpv
On 06/18/2015 10:38 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/17/2015 05:14 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 06/17/2015 05:48 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/17/2015 04:06 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 06/17/2015 02:01 PM, Greg Woods wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:50 PM, jd1008 mailto:jd1...@gmail.com>> wrote: Checking for SSA/ASS support : no ('libass >= 0.12.1' not found) Maybe you just need to install libass-devel? --Greg I do have a libass installed in my current OS: fc20. It is asking for a higher version, which I presume is only available in fc22. I do not want to clobber my existing libass nor libass-devel because of other dependencies on the existing version. Then you're rather out of luck unless you want to install a new version of libass in some scratch location and bugger the mpv build to use that location. It is difficult to build things with a mix of RPM and non-RPM items, as RPM and rpmbuild sorta want things in a specific way. Yes, I understand. So, which functionality of mpv does libass provide??? I mean if I edit the spec file and remove the configure option for libass (disable-libass), what feature would stop working? libass essentially handles subtitle rendering on material that has subtitles: # dnf info libass ... Description : Libass is a portable library for SSA/ASS subtitles rendering. So subtitles won't be rendered if you disable it. Depending on your needs, this may not be a big thing. Cool! 99.99% of the time, what I watch has no subtitles. Cheers, JD -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: question/problem re: smplayer and mpv
On 06/17/2015 05:14 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 06/17/2015 05:48 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/17/2015 04:06 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 06/17/2015 02:01 PM, Greg Woods wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:50 PM, jd1008 mailto:jd1...@gmail.com>> wrote: Checking for SSA/ASS support : no ('libass >= 0.12.1' not found) Maybe you just need to install libass-devel? --Greg I do have a libass installed in my current OS: fc20. It is asking for a higher version, which I presume is only available in fc22. I do not want to clobber my existing libass nor libass-devel because of other dependencies on the existing version. Then you're rather out of luck unless you want to install a new version of libass in some scratch location and bugger the mpv build to use that location. It is difficult to build things with a mix of RPM and non-RPM items, as RPM and rpmbuild sorta want things in a specific way. Yes, I understand. So, which functionality of mpv does libass provide??? I mean if I edit the spec file and remove the configure option for libass (disable-libass), what feature would stop working? libass essentially handles subtitle rendering on material that has subtitles: # dnf info libass ... Description : Libass is a portable library for SSA/ASS subtitles rendering. So subtitles won't be rendered if you disable it. Depending on your needs, this may not be a big thing. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Problem with Python??
selinux issues the following If you believe /usr/bin/bython2.7 tried to disable selinux you may be under attack by a hacker, since confined applications should never need this access. Contact your security administrator and report this issue. Is anyone else seeing this? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
[OT] ConfSL 2.0 - Annual Italian Conference on Free Software & Hardware - Ivrea (Turin) 26/27 June 2015
Dear Friends, I am pleased to present and invite you, to ConfSL 2.0, the Italian annual Conference of the Software & Hardware Free and Open. The conference to be held in Ivrea (Turin) on 26 and 27 June 2015 . For more details, visit the official website of ConfSL 2.0 http://confsl.org Anyone can join, participation is free. If you like, spread among your friends this initiative. Many thanks. -- Dario Lesca (inviato dal mio Linux Fedora 22 con Gnome 3.16 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: um ... why are my wiki pages suddenly rendering "fi" in olde english?
On Wed, 2015-06-17 at 18:19 -0400, Fred Smith wrote: > Does have the correct locale/language settings? Look in EDIT/ > PREFERENCES/CONTENT and click "choose". That setting doesn't do what you think it does. It allows you to set a option in your browser which will tell websites which languages you can read, and which ones you prefer - this information is sent to webservers in the request headers for any pages it fetches. *If* the website is multi-lingual, it could automatically serve you the pages that suit your preferences. Though, those few sites that are multilingual, rarely actually make use of the (content negotiation) feature - they get you to click on a link to change to a different language, and use cookies to preserve that choice during the browsing session. As far as dealing with websites which have the wrong encoding (i.e. they say one thing, but actually provide another), or simply don't declare what encoding they use (and it's different from the presumed US-ASCII), you have a different configuration for setting the default character encoding. And there used to be a menu setting for changing the current page decoding, without changing defaults. -- tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.19.8-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Tue May 12 17:42:35 UTC 2015 i686 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: um ... why are my wiki pages suddenly rendering "fi" in olde english?
On Wed, 2015-06-17 at 12:15 -0400, Fred Smith wrote: > do you, perhaps, have your firefox configured to use fonts other > than those called for by the web page? From the problem description, it's probably more likely to be a browser configuration about content-encoding, than which fonts. -- tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.19.8-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Tue May 12 17:42:35 UTC 2015 i686 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: turn off monitors when logged out
On Wed, 2015-06-17 at 12:11 -0500, SternData wrote: > Why oh why is this so hard? > > It used to work, pre-F22. I've not used anything beyond Fedora 20, yet. But the settings for my login have never been applied to anything once I've logged out. And why should they, I'm not logged in. It could be that some other desktops (I use Gnome or Mate) may allow you to configure default system settings as well as your own. If they asked you to provide a root password when setting the configuration, it seems likely. As far as screen savers go, yes it was annoying about losing the slide shows, but I got them back with mate and Fedora 20 (at least). I may as well get some entertainment from my computer while it's sitting on my desk not really doing much. And for those who have computers in a business setting, it was a simple way to run random product adverts. -- tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.19.8-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Tue May 12 17:42:35 UTC 2015 i686 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Problems with journalctl
On 06/18/15 16:45, Dave Cross wrote: > It appears that journalctl isn't set up correctly on my system. It > doesn't seem to be registering each boot correctly. > > $ journalctl --list-boots > 0 67279b3d530040d997694f7fc89ec7de Thu 2015-03-19 07:04:29 GMT—Sat > 2015-03-21 1 > > And I've rebooted the system many, many times since March. > > > Any suggestions as to how I can fix this problem? FWIW, I found this https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1095962 and have asked if it should be reopened. -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Problems with journalctl
On 06/18/15 16:45, Dave Cross wrote: > It appears that journalctl isn't set up correctly on my system. It > doesn't seem to be registering each boot correctly. > > $ journalctl --list-boots > 0 67279b3d530040d997694f7fc89ec7de Thu 2015-03-19 07:04:29 GMT—Sat > 2015-03-21 1 > > And I've rebooted the system many, many times since March. > > Also: > > $ journalctl -b -1 > Failed to look up boot -1: Cannot assign requested address > > I have a /var/log/journal directory > > $ ls -l /var/log/journal > total 28 > drwxr-sr-x+ 2 root systemd-journal 20480 Jun 18 09:34 > cbed8c34efb340afbf91f264e57b8278 > > And (somewhere) log data has been kept back to December 2012. > > $ journalctl > -- Logs begin at Fri 2014-12-12 07:55:40 GMT, end at Thu 2015-06-18 > 09:44:18 BST. -- > ... > > I'd like to be able to see all of the system boots and easily access > logs from a particular boot. > > Any suggestions as to how I can fix this problem? I have no suggestion as to how to fix thisbut I will say I'm now notice something similar... -4 69ffd60eab5d4724a2f80c66ad6e6ff5 Thu 2015-03-26 08:26:10 CST—Thu 2015-04-02 0 -3 fc2edbbbf1194af3b710f654a5f94618 Thu 2015-04-02 08:27:06 CST—Sun 2015-04-05 1 -2 d23797f203454dcabb6513fd62142477 Fri 2015-05-15 09:44:40 CST—Mon 2015-05-18 1 -1 6720637454a64a4b9374a6a359d3e51d Mon 2015-05-18 10:34:52 CST—Tue 2015-05-19 0 0 029735aa965b4f82aa77b89e9cefa1da Tue 2015-05-19 07:47:16 CST—Wed 2015-05-20 0 But I have booted many times since 2015-05-19 and yet I do find previous boots like so [root@meimei ~]# journalctl -b -3 | more -- Logs begin at Sun 2013-08-18 10:45:50 CST, end at Thu 2015-06-18 17:16:31 CST. Jun 16 09:46:48 meimei systemd-journal[124]: Runtime journal is using 8.0M (max allowed 398.6M, trying to leave 598.0M free of 3.8G available → current limit 398.6M). Jun 16 09:46:48 meimei systemd-journal[124]: Runtime journal is using 8.0M (max allowed 398.6M, trying to leave 598.0M free of 3.8G available → current limit 398.6M). Jun 16 09:46:48 meimei kernel: CPU0 microcode updated early to revision 0x7, date -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: um ... why are my wiki pages suddenly rendering "fi" in olde english?
On 18/06/15 19:03, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Ahmad Samir wrote: When was the last time you restarted your system? i don't think i *had* restarted my system since this started, but i just killed and restarted firefox (again) and everything is suddenly fine. so ... carry on. When in doubt, reboot. cheers, Rolf Turner -- Technical Editor ANZJS Department of Statistics University of Auckland Phone: +64-9-373-7599 ext. 88276 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Problems with journalctl
It appears that journalctl isn't set up correctly on my system. It doesn't seem to be registering each boot correctly. $ journalctl --list-boots 0 67279b3d530040d997694f7fc89ec7de Thu 2015-03-19 07:04:29 GMT—Sat 2015-03-21 1 And I've rebooted the system many, many times since March. Also: $ journalctl -b -1 Failed to look up boot -1: Cannot assign requested address I have a /var/log/journal directory $ ls -l /var/log/journal total 28 drwxr-sr-x+ 2 root systemd-journal 20480 Jun 18 09:34 cbed8c34efb340afbf91f264e57b8278 And (somewhere) log data has been kept back to December 2012. $ journalctl -- Logs begin at Fri 2014-12-12 07:55:40 GMT, end at Thu 2015-06-18 09:44:18 BST. -- ... I'd like to be able to see all of the system boots and easily access logs from a particular boot. Any suggestions as to how I can fix this problem? Thanks, Dave... -- Dave Cross :: d...@dave.org.uk http://dave.org.uk/ @davorg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: um ... why are my wiki pages suddenly rendering "fi" in olde english?
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 17 June 2015 at 18:02, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Jun 2015, Dave Stevens wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:46:45 -0400 (EDT) > >> "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > ok, maybe not old english, but recently, my wiki pages suddenly > >> > started rendering the two-character string "fi" as some weird, > >> > stylized "m" with a curved stroke above it (can't remember what that's > >> > called). > >> > > >> > i'm on fully-updated fedora rawhide, so it might be a fedora thing, > >> > it might be a font thing, it might be a firefox thing, i have no idea. > >> > > >> > has anyone else seen this? here's a sample page where this happens > >> > throughout: > >> > > >> > http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/Git_config > >> > > >> > the very first line -- the title "Git config" -- renders the "fi" in > >> > "config" as i described above, and it does that throughout the page. > >> > thoughts? > >> > >> not really, not happening on my U14.04 box with Firefox 38 > > > > depending on whether this mailing list allows attachments at all, i > > attached a tiny (2.2K) image, showing the bullet list items > > > > * using the reflog > > * workflows > > > > where you can see the string "fl" is also rendered weirdly. of course, > > if this ML strips attachments, that's not going to help. > > > > rday > > > > I saw a similar issue after updating to dejavu-sans-fonts-2.35-1.fc22, > fl was rendered weirdly. precisely what i'm seeing. > However, checking again now the issue seems to be fixed. > > When was the last time you restarted your system? i don't think i *had* restarted my system since this started, but i just killed and restarted firefox (again) and everything is suddenly fine. so ... carry on. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org