Re: deprecated message in dmesg
On 08/16/15 09:29, Tom Horsley wrote: > This cryptic nonsense shows up in the output from dmesg: > > automatic filtering via arp/ip/ip6tables has been deprecated. Update your > scripts to load br_netfilter if you need this. > > So how would a mere mortal know if he needs br_netfilter or not? Is this the only entry in dmesg output that you find cryptic? :-) :-) I suspect a mere mortal would not know. A person that created a Bridge Interface would probably know the significance and may or may not be classified as a mere mortal. -- It seems most people that say they are "done talking about it" never really are until given the last word. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
deprecated message in dmesg
This cryptic nonsense shows up in the output from dmesg: automatic filtering via arp/ip/ip6tables has been deprecated. Update your scripts to load br_netfilter if you need this. So how would a mere mortal know if he needs br_netfilter or not? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/15/15 17:57, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: <<>> > No, they have already done this and there was sufficient notice given. > My problem is displaying what I already have in the old Thunderbird with > the new mail.wildblue.net Thunderbird. > > You probably would need to see the problem to understand ,,, . knowing you, i can well imagine. :-P remember this: email is email is email email is email is email email is email is email. got that? ;-) you should not look at it as old and new because what you received via gmail, you will now receive via wildblue. think about that. think of email not by email server. think of email by who sent it and/or what it relates to. do not concern yourself with facts that really have no practical importance. do not sort email under the email agent. sort email so that it is moved to email folders under "Local Folders". do not filter email spam. filter email by sender. let unfiltered email "fall thru" to "Inbox" under "Local Folders". as such, any emails that hit Inbox are either new wanted email that you will set a filter for, or it is spam which you highlight, then click "Spam" icon. thunderbird's adaptive filtering works very well and after you have hit spam icon a few times for a sender, thunderbird will learn sender or contents of email and move those emails to "Spam" folder. such is done by making last filter filter all emails that reach it get moved to Local Folders / Inbox. because you have probable already set filters to filter under the agent there is a very easy way to move those filters to your new agent and have emails moved under "Local Folders". [more later on editing filters] too many people fail to see that an email agent is just that, an email agent and should treat them as such. > I can't find fault with the gmail service, it always worked and spam was > a rarity! Not so now I am creating filters and trying to get the > Thunderbird junk system to recognize it. Before this Google removed 99% > of it, I guess I am spoiled and expect too much? . see above. after you have read this and replied with what ever you are confused with, i will explain how to set up email folders under Local Folders and answer what you are confused about. something to give thought to is to look at how *nix sets up root directories and then breaks things down further with additional directories. "/" is the base of a tree. each directory in "/" is a branch and depending on what that branch is, there will or not have further branching. it is a logical way to organize. then consider email Local Folders as the "/" base and all folder branches are classifications as to what your incoming emails are. -- peace out. If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes... ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it! -+- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6 tc,hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: current/proposed docker-related packages?
I have a related question about Fedora docker packages. There seems to be a docker-engine at version 1.8.1 and docker at version 1.7.1. I'd like to have docker AND docker engine at the same version, preferably at 1.8.1. I don't mind having to get docker-compose and docker-machine via the docker website directly, but it would also be nice to get them via the normal Fedora repositories. Even though docker-machine appears to be broken for all Linux distributions that I've tried when running with a local vm (VirtualBox) rather than a cloud (AWS). docker-swarm is still considered beta, so I could see why that might not be provided via a Fedora repository. Thanks, Ken Wolcott On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > sorry to harp on this, but what is the plan for various > docker-related packages, particularly related to clustering and > orchestration? i can see there is a fedora consul package, but what > about things like compose and swarm? are there plans for fedora > packages for those, or should one just install them straight from > docker? > > rday > > -- > > > Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA > http://crashcourse.ca > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday > LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday > > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 15/08/15 19:16, Joe Zeff wrote: This may be redundant, but if so, I don't remember. Have you gone to Thunderbird Community Support (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/get-community-support) and asked there? I've had good luck there, more often than not. -- No I had not even thought of that, it's probably worth a try. Thanks, Bob -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/15/2015 03:57 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: No, they have already done this and there was sufficient notice given. My problem is displaying what I already have in the old Thunderbird with the new mail.wildblue.net Thunderbird. This may be redundant, but if so, I don't remember. Have you gone to Thunderbird Community Support (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/get-community-support) and asked there? I've had good luck there, more often than not. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/16/15 06:24, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > It was too easy, sorry for my ignorance. No, it was my fault. I gave too much information this time. :-) :-) -- It seems most people that say they are "done talking about it" never really are until given the last word. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 15/08/15 17:55, g wrote: On 08/15/15 15:56, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: not sure just what you are trying to do??? are you saying that you used gmail.wildblue.net or you used wildblue.net to get to gmail.com with thunderbird? . Eight years ago wildblue had their own mail system, five or six years ago they switched to Google Mail and we were required configure Thunderbird to address the gmail servers, ie: pop.googlemail.com to receive mail, and their smtp to send. . ok. you need to contact gmail.com and ask them how you can go about regaining access to your emails. . No, they have already done this and there was sufficient notice given. My problem is displaying what I already have in the old Thunderbird with the new mail.wildblue.net Thunderbird. You probably would need to see the problem to understand ,,, "HOME1/MAIL" is the nfs server? . Yes . ok. is "pop.gmail.com" a server that you used browser to join, or is it what wildblue used? or, where you using your wildblue account to pull emails from pop.gmail? . The mail could be accessed with a browser on googles web mail page but I never used that except to look through the spam they collected when I thought something was missing and my have been diverted as spam. . thanks to bellsouth/at&t turning email over to yuckahoo, i had to set my email configs on server so that i pull emails from spam folder and not delete emails. every day i have to log on to yuckahoo and mark good emails that are in spam folder as not spam in hopes that yuckahoo server would learn what is and is not spam. i also mark as spam what yuckahoo thinks is good. it is a loosing battle. what is worse is that they no longer offer ability to certify email senders as not being spam. even worse is fact that yuckahoo does a lot of bouncing of my support list emails. every day i get threads without original post and a lot of 're:' post get bounced to that i only know what a solution is is if the op replies to entire post showing solution. . I can't find fault with the gmail service, it always worked and spam was a rarity! Not so now I am creating filters and trying to get the Thunderbird junk system to recognize it. Before this Google removed 99% of it, I guess I am spoiled and expect too much? -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 15/08/15 17:43, Ed Greshko wrote: From your previous message I was under the impression you only wished to download the thunderbird rpm. dnf download thunderbird would do that as long as you have the dnf-plugins-core package installed. Is there something I'm missing? No, i misunderstood, I thought I had to download another function/plug-in, whatever. # dnf download thunderbird Last metadata expiration check performed 0:02:34 ago on Sat Aug 15 18:16:18 2015. thunderbird-38.1.0-1.fc22.x86_64.rpm 1.2 MB/s | 60 MB 00:49 The downloaded packages were saved in cache till the next successful transaction. You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages' It was too easy, sorry for my ignorance. Thanks, Bob -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/15/15 15:56, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > On 15/08/15 15:35, g wrote: >> . >> from what i have been seeing in dnf related post, you might check to >> insure that you did not use yum arguments that do not work with dnf. > . > Most likely an internet problem, I just did a dnf update on that > computer without a hitch? . nft. ;-) >> not sure just what you are trying to do??? >> >> are you saying that you used gmail.wildblue.net or you used wildblue.net >> to get to gmail.com with thunderbird? > . > Eight years ago wildblue had their own mail system, five or six years > ago they switched to Google Mail and we were required configure > Thunderbird to address the gmail servers, ie: pop.googlemail.com to > receive mail, and their smtp to send. . ok. you need to contact gmail.com and ask them how you can go about regaining access to your emails. gaagle should have given wildblue enough time to notified their customers that gmail service was ending so wildblue customers could pull their emails off gmail server. such crap is why i like small independent isp's that allow customers to use ftp connection to their server directory. >> "HOME1/MAIL" is the nfs server? > . > Yes . ok. >> is "pop.gmail.com" a server that you used browser to join, or is it what >> wildblue used? >> >> or, where you using your wildblue account to pull emails from pop.gmail? > . > The mail could be accessed with a browser on googles web mail page but > I never used that except to look through the spam they collected when I > thought something was missing and my have been diverted as spam. . thanks to bellsouth/at&t turning email over to yuckahoo, i had to set my email configs on server so that i pull emails from spam folder and not delete emails. every day i have to log on to yuckahoo and mark good emails that are in spam folder as not spam in hopes that yuckahoo server would learn what is and is not spam. i also mark as spam what yuckahoo thinks is good. it is a loosing battle. what is worse is that they no longer offer ability to certify email senders as not being spam. even worse is fact that yuckahoo does a lot of bouncing of my support list emails. every day i get threads without original post and a lot of 're:' post get bounced to that i only know what a solution is is if the op replies to entire post showing solution. >> pull your emails off the web based email servers and set up your own >> archiving server for your emails. >> >> because you are using linux, you can soft link to paths and they will >> look like the email folders are on your client drive. > . > Not sure how I would go about doing that but I am open to suggestions. . set up one of your servers to pull all emails. set filters to move emails to various folders by recipient, by sender, as in subscribed list, etc. for each user/recipient, mount the server drive and path to the above folder directories on user/recipient system. link the directories to the thunderbird "Mail/Local Folders" subfolder. >> transfer locally or transfer between the 2 inet servers? > . > Essentially I have been transferring "Mail" between Thunderbird on one > computer to Thunderbird on others via my nsf server, /mnt/HOME1/MAIL, > being available to two others. It also serves as an archive of sorts for > all the mail. And it simplifies configuring Thunderbird since it brings > in the various filters, etc. . by soft linking nsf directories into "Mail/Local Folder" path, you can eliminate having to do so manually. >> what you really need to handle your problem is a hosted web site and set >> up your own email server. > . > That would be another recurring cost, I already pay Viasat a lot for > what I have ... . maybe we need to get a group together of linux users that are having email server problems and jointly set up on a host our own site and email server so we can start to enjoy emails again. :-) -- peace out. If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes... ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it! -+- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6 tc,hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: User use of Serial Ports
On 08/16/15 03:48, Mickey wrote: > Fedora 21/ KDE > > I'm trying to run a App called apmplanner2 but it is not giving the user jim > permission of using the serial ports. > > the user owner of apmplanner2 is jim. > > When I try to run apmplanner2 I get a error message saying to run "sudo > adduser jim dialout" > > And the I get linux error on usage of adduser, something like adduser -D but > that still does not work. > > What am I not doing right ? I've not used serial ports in a very long time. However, I seem to recall needing to add the user name to the dialout group in /etc/group. Of course you'll need to logout/login for that to take effect. -- It seems most people that say they are "done talking about it" never really are until given the last word. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/16/15 05:29, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > > On 15/08/15 16:53, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> On 08/16/15 00:39, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: >>> How do I download a thunderbird rpm for Fedora 22? I'm sure Mozilla will >>> provide one. dnf install thunderbird will do it but that does not give me >>> an rpm I can use for another install. >>> >>> Normally this is not a problem but in messing with thunderbird I have been >>> forced to dnf install a copy each time I want to start over which seems a >>> waste. especially when my Viasat usage is limited to an allocated amount >>> each month ... >> If you have the dnf-plugins-core package installed dnf will have a >> "download" option. >> >> See http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/cli_vs_yum.html and the section on >> "Changes in DNF plugins compared to Yum utilities". >> > . > It looks like: |download_packages|(/pkglist/, /progress=None/) > >Download packages in pkglist from remote repositories. > > might be the command I need? But I can't make it work? > > # dnf install dnf-download_packages > Last metadata expiration check performed 2:02:23 ago on Sat Aug 15 15:14:40 > 2015. > No package dnf-download_packages available. > Error: Unable to find a match. > > From your previous message I was under the impression you only wished to download the thunderbird rpm. dnf download thunderbird would do that as long as you have the dnf-plugins-core package installed. Is there something I'm missing? -- It seems most people that say they are "done talking about it" never really are until given the last word. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 15/08/15 16:53, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/16/15 00:39, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: How do I download a thunderbird rpm for Fedora 22? I'm sure Mozilla will provide one. dnf install thunderbird will do it but that does not give me an rpm I can use for another install. Normally this is not a problem but in messing with thunderbird I have been forced to dnf install a copy each time I want to start over which seems a waste. especially when my Viasat usage is limited to an allocated amount each month ... If you have the dnf-plugins-core package installed dnf will have a "download" option. See http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/cli_vs_yum.html and the section on "Changes in DNF plugins compared to Yum utilities". . It looks like: |download_packages|(/pkglist/, /progress=None/) Download packages in pkglist from remote repositories. might be the command I need? But I can't make it work? # dnf install dnf-download_packages Last metadata expiration check performed 2:02:23 ago on Sat Aug 15 15:14:40 2015. No package dnf-download_packages available. Error: Unable to find a match. -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 15/08/15 15:35, g wrote: . from what i have been seeing in dnf related post, you might check to insure that you did not use yum arguments that do not work with dnf. . Most likely an internet problem, I just did a dnf update on that computer without a hitch? . not sure just what you are trying to do??? are you saying that you used gmail.wildblue.net or you used wildblue.net to get to gmail.com with thunderbird? . Eight years ago wildblue had their own mail system, five or six years ago they switched to Google Mail and we were required configure Thunderbird to address the gmail servers, ie: pop.googlemail.com to receive mail, and their smtp to send. . "HOME1/MAIL" is the nfs server? . Yes . is "pop.gmail.com" a server that you used browser to join, or is it what wildblue used? or, where you using your wildblue account to pull emails from pop.gmail? . The mail could be accessed with a browser on googles web mail page but I never used that except to look through the spam they collected when I thought something was missing and my have been diverted as spam. . pull your emails off the web based email servers and set up your own archiving server for your emails. because you are using linux, you can soft link to paths and they will look like the email folders are on your client drive. . Not sure how I would go about doing that but I am open to suggestions. . transfer locally or transfer between the 2 inet servers? . Essentially I have been transferring "Mail" between Thunderbird on one computer to Thunderbird on others via my nsf server, /mnt/HOME1/MAIL, being available to two others. It also serves as an archive of sorts for all the mail. And it simplifies configuring Thunderbird since it brings in the various filters, etc. . what you really need to handle your problem is a hosted web site and set up your own email server. . That would be another recurring cost, I already pay Viasat a lot for what I have ... g Bob -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/16/15 00:39, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > How do I download a thunderbird rpm for Fedora 22? I'm sure Mozilla will > provide one. dnf install thunderbird will do it but that does not give me an > rpm I can use for another install. > > Normally this is not a problem but in messing with thunderbird I have been > forced to dnf install a copy each time I want to start over which seems a > waste. especially when my Viasat usage is limited to an allocated amount each > month ... If you have the dnf-plugins-core package installed dnf will have a "download" option. See http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/cli_vs_yum.html and the section on "Changes in DNF plugins compared to Yum utilities". -- It seems most people that say they are "done talking about it" never really are until given the last word. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
current/proposed docker-related packages?
sorry to harp on this, but what is the plan for various docker-related packages, particularly related to clustering and orchestration? i can see there is a fedora consul package, but what about things like compose and swarm? are there plans for fedora packages for those, or should one just install them straight from docker? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
User use of Serial Ports
Fedora 21/ KDE I'm trying to run a App called apmplanner2 but it is not giving the user jim permission of using the serial ports. the user owner of apmplanner2 is jim. When I try to run apmplanner2 I get a error message saying to run "sudo adduser jim dialout" And the I get linux error on usage of adduser, something like adduser -D but that still does not work. What am I not doing right ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/15/15 13:26, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: <<>> > Yes, thanks for the suggestions. I dnf removed and yumex installed > again, since dnf from the command line just stopped, I dunno why, > another problem most likely that I don't want to deal with right now. . from what i have been seeing in dnf related post, you might check to insure that you did not use yum arguments that do not work with dnf. ??? > My real problem is that Viasat/Wildblue are no longer using gmail, > Google has apparently decided they no longer want to provide that > service to ISPs. That leaves me with thousands of messages I can't > seem to transfer between Thunderbird using gmail and Thunderbird > using wildblue, no matter what I have tried Thunderbird has choked > on the result. . not sure just what you are trying to do??? are you saying that you used gmail.wildblue.net or you used wildblue.net to get to gmail.com with thunderbird? > For a long time I have simply done: rsync -avu > /home/bobg/.Thunderbird/6gjqb341.default/Mail/* /mnt/HOME1/MAIL to an > NFS server and reversed the process in the other computers to transfer > mail and peripheral stuff so all the thunderbirds look identical, > filters, directories, etc. . "HOME1/MAIL" is the nfs server? > Now Thunderbird configured for "mail.wildblue.net will not accept files > from the original configured as pop.gmail.com, and that too is probably > just as well. . is "pop.gmail.com" a server that you used browser to join, or is it what wildblue used? or, where you using your wildblue account to pull emails from pop.gmail? > However once I have all the Thunderbird computers in the new configuration > I will have difficulty reading the old messages should I have need for > them, I will pretty much have burnt my bridges. . pull your emails off the web based email servers and set up your own archiving server for your emails. because you are using linux, you can soft link to paths and they will look like the email folders are on your client drive. > I could do something but it just seems messy, ideally I would like > to transfer between the two. . transfer locally or transfer between the 2 inet servers? > There are other disadvantages to the switch away from gmail too but this > is not the place for that. I have other users on my system and I have > been busy fixing stuff. . what you really need to handle your problem is a hosted web site and set up your own email server. -- peace out. If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes... ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it! -+- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6 tc,hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 15/08/15 13:56, g wrote: On 08/15/15 11:39, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: How do I download a thunderbird rpm for Fedora 22? I'm sure Mozilla will provide one. dnf install thunderbird will do it but that does not give me an rpm I can use for another install. Normally this is not a problem but in messing with thunderbird I have been forced to dnf install a copy each time I want to start over which seems a waste. especially when my Viasat usage is limited to an allocated amount each month ... mozilla supplies 'generic' *.tar.bz2 installation files that install in /opt. i have never used such, only read about them. i may be wrong, but i believe they need tweaking. firefox-40.0.2.tar.bz2 is available from; https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/ complete list of latest for os, 32/64, language from; https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/ also, for more info about what to do, have a look at; https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/40.0.2/releasenotes/ personally, i believe you would be better of by picking a mirror site and pull the .rpm file. once you have it, run a local install. just look thru your /etc/yum.repos.d/ files to get url for mirror list then go to that page to find a site to pull from. such will be easier than pulling from mozilla because it is already complied for os. . Yes, thanks for the suggestions. I dnf removed and yumex installed again, since dnf from the command line just stopped, I dunno why, another problem most likely that I don't want to deal with right now. My real problem is that Viasat/Wildblue are no longer using gmail, Google has apparently decided they no longer want to provide that service to ISPs. That leaves me with thousands of messages I can't seem to transfer between Thunderbird using gmail and Thunderbird using wildblue, no matter what I have tried Thunderbird has choked on the result. For a long time I have simply done: rsync -avu /home/bobg/.Thunderbird/6gjqb341.default/Mail/* /mnt/HOME1/MAIL to an NFS server and reversed the process in the other computers to transfer mail and peripheral stuff so all the thunderbirds look identical, filters, directories, etc. Now Thunderbird configured for "mail.wildblue.net will not accept files from the original configured as pop.gmail.com, and that too is probably just as well. However once I have all the Thunderbird computers in the new configuration I will have difficulty reading the old messages should I have need for them, I will pretty much have burnt my bridges. I could do something but it just seems messy, ideally I would like to transfer between the two. There are other disadvantages to the switch away from gmail too but this is not the place for that. I have other users on my system and I have been busy fixing stuff. Thanks, Bob -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mount USB drive at boot time in Fedora-22
On 08/15/2015 10:55 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Is there some standard method in the USB device manager, or wherever, to do this; or do some control files have to be edited? If control files,which ones and how. Put it in /etc/fstab with the options auto and nofail. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/15/15 11:39, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > How do I download a thunderbird rpm for Fedora 22? I'm sure Mozilla will > provide one. dnf install thunderbird will do it but that does not give > me an rpm I can use for another install. > > Normally this is not a problem but in messing with thunderbird I have > been forced to dnf install a copy each time I want to start over which > seems a waste. especially when my Viasat usage is limited to an > allocated amount each month ... > mozilla supplies 'generic' *.tar.bz2 installation files that install in /opt. i have never used such, only read about them. i may be wrong, but i believe they need tweaking. firefox-40.0.2.tar.bz2 is available from; https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/ complete list of latest for os, 32/64, language from; https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/ also, for more info about what to do, have a look at; https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/40.0.2/releasenotes/ personally, i believe you would be better of by picking a mirror site and pull the .rpm file. once you have it, run a local install. just look thru your /etc/yum.repos.d/ files to get url for mirror list then go to that page to find a site to pull from. such will be easier than pulling from mozilla because it is already complied for os. -- peace out. If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes... ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it! -+- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6 tc,hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Mount USB drive at boot time in Fedora-22
I would like my system to mount a USB hard drive at boot time, provided it is connected to the system. The drive is used for backup, and is usually, but not always attached. Fedora-21/KDE had an option to mount the drive when KDE starts, which is almost as good, but this doesn't seem to be available in Fedora-22. Is there some standard method in the USB device manager, or wherever, to do this; or do some control files have to be edited? If control files,which ones and how. Thanks - jon -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: More dnf annoyance
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 13:21:49 + (UTC), Andreas M. Kirchwitz wrote: > "dnf --refresh" is more like "dnf clean expire-cache", which sometimes > gives additional updates to plain "dnf upgrade", but there still seems > some caching involved that keeps it from providing all updates available. Doubtful. "dnf update --refresh" here (Rawhide) always redownloads the metadata. That's behaviour like running after "dnf clean metadata", not "dnf clean expire-cache". [1] Expired metadata could be reactivated after asking mirror manager whether they are latest. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf --refresh reverts to older metadata (was: Re: dnf update vs Software Udpates)
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 13:40:04 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Worth a BZ report surely? Not from me this time. It is my understanding that there have been multiple reports before. A few hours have passed, and meanwhile there are even newer metadata. However, a subsequent run of "dnf update --refresh" reverted to older metadata. See bottom. > I have no special insight into this, but often at the root of this type > of problem there is a failure to clearly specify what each of the > components is supposed to do, resulting in a mismatch between reality > and expectation on either side. Or using ambiguous terminology. I've seen that occasionally. "dnf update --refresh" currently redownloads the 43 MB metadata *always*. The manual page says: --refresh set metadata as expired before running the command Apparently, it doesn't try to verify/confirm whether the cache matches what the server offers. It seems to be less than "clean expire-cache" and more like "clean metadata". It would need somebody with intimate knowledge of what mirror manager supports. To tell whether the package tool can decide which metadata are the latest. Perhaps timezones are not considered? Or why else did it decide to download something that's older? Did mirror manage tell that the cache metadata are not "current"? Here's a fresh reproducer. First it fetched the newer metadata, then it refreshed to something older: # dnf update --refresh Adobe Systems Incorporated 21 kB/s | 1.8 kB 00:00 Fedora - Rawhide - Developmental packages for t 1.5 MB/s | 43 MB 00:29 Last metadata expiration check performed 0:00:11 ago on Sat Aug 15 19:21:15 2015. Dependencies resolved. PackageArch VersionRepository Size Installing: kernel x86_64 4.2.0-0.rc6.git1.1.fc24rawhide 72 k kernel-corex86_64 4.2.0-0.rc6.git1.1.fc24rawhide 20 M kernel-modules x86_64 4.2.0-0.rc6.git1.1.fc24rawhide 18 M ncurses-compat-libsx86_64 6.0-1.20150810.fc24rawhide 305 k Upgrading: NetworkManager x86_64 1:1.0.6-0.1.20150813git7e2caa2.fc24 rawhide 2.0 M NetworkManager-adslx86_64 1:1.0.6-0.1.20150813git7e2caa2.fc24 rawhide 110 k NetworkManager-bluetooth x86_64 1:1.0.6-0.1.20150813git7e2caa2.fc24 rawhide 133 k NetworkManager-config-connectivity-fedora x86_64 1:1.0.6-0.1.20150813git7e2caa2.fc24 rawhide 100 k NetworkManager-glibx86_64 1:1.0.6-0.1.20150813git7e2caa2.fc24 rawhide 366 k NetworkManager-libnm x86_64 1:1.0.6-0.1.20150813git7e2caa2.fc24 rawhide 476 k NetworkManager-teamx86_64 1:1.0.6-0.1.20150813git7e2caa2.fc24 rawhide 112 k NetworkManager-wifix86_64 1:1.0.6-0.1.20150813git7e2caa2.fc24 rawhide 140 k NetworkManager-wwanx86_64 1:1.0.6-0.1.20150813git7e2caa2.fc24 rawhide 133 k PackageKit x86_64 1.0.7-3.fc24 rawhide 575 k PackageKit-cached-metadata x86_64 1.0.7-3.fc24 rawhide 73 M PackageKit-command-not-found x86_64 1.0.7-3.fc24 rawhide 27 k PackageKit-glibx86_64 1.0.7-3.fc24 rawhide 131 k PackageKit-gstreamer-pluginx86_64 1.0.7-3.fc24 rawhide 19 k PackageKit-gtk3-module x86_64 1.0.7-3.fc24 rawhide 19 k aclx86_64 2.2.52-10.fc24 rawhide 76 k attr x86_64 2.4.47-13.fc24 rawhide 64 k automake noarch 1.15-5.fc24rawhide 694 k boost x86_64 1.58.0-6.fc24 rawhide 43 k boost-atomic x86_64 1.58.0-6.fc24 rawhide 45 k boost-chrono x86_64 1.58.0-6.fc24 rawhide 52 k boost-containerx86_64 1.58.0-6.fc24 rawhide 66 k boost-context x86_64 1.58.0-6.fc24 rawhide 58 k boost-coroutinex86_64 1.58.0-6.f
dnf downloadonly -
How do I download a thunderbird rpm for Fedora 22? I'm sure Mozilla will provide one. dnf install thunderbird will do it but that does not give me an rpm I can use for another install. Normally this is not a problem but in messing with thunderbird I have been forced to dnf install a copy each time I want to start over which seems a waste. especially when my Viasat usage is limited to an allocated amount each month ... Bob -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
numlock?
Can anyone explain why in fedora 22, my keyboard's numlock light is lit up when I boot, but apparently numlock isn't actually on? (At least I have to press the numlock key twice to make the numlock light go off, so I'm assuming it wasn't actually on). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Questions on Anaconda Hub and spokes model
Hi On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 12:36 PM, shankha wrote: > Hi, > I had few questions on anaconda hub and spokes model. Is it the > correct list to ask those questions. > Try anaconda-devel list instead Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf --downloadonly equivalent?
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 10:59:41 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > Sounds like you want DNF Automatic, configured to download but not > apply. See http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/automatic.html Looks like the very thing. Thanks! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf --downloadonly equivalent?
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 10:39:27 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > I used to run "yum --downloadonly update" in cron at night so I would > have the cache already built when I was ready to actually > do the install later. > > I don't see anything like --downloadonly in dnf. > > Am I missing something, or is there no way to do that? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1048433 ___ Regards Frank Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf --downloadonly equivalent?
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:39:27AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > I used to run "yum --downloadonly update" in cron at night so I would > have the cache already built when I was ready to actually > do the install later. > I don't see anything like --downloadonly in dnf. > Am I missing something, or is there no way to do that? Sounds like you want DNF Automatic, configured to download but not apply. See http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/automatic.html -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
dnf --downloadonly equivalent?
I used to run "yum --downloadonly update" in cron at night so I would have the cache already built when I was ready to actually do the install later. I don't see anything like --downloadonly in dnf. Am I missing something, or is there no way to do that? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: More dnf annoyance
Heinz Diehl wrote: > F22, in short: first running "dnf --refresh upgrade" shows some new > packets. Then "dnf clean all" followed by "dnf --refresh upgrade" > shows the same packets to be updated, and *some more*. Yes, you are correct. Several people have verified this behavior, they reported this as bug, and according to Fedora and DNF developers it is intentional. "dnf --refresh" is more like "dnf clean expire-cache", which sometimes gives additional updates to plain "dnf upgrade", but there still seems some caching involved that keeps it from providing all updates available. "dnf clean all" does the job, of course, but for that specific purpose, "dnf clean metadata" is sufficient. Both force dnf to download and rebuild all metadata. The metadata is the key to the solution. Unfortunately, this needs lots of bandwidth and CPU. If you just want fresh updates, there's usually no need to process the big base fedora metadata over and over again. For me, this does the trick: dnf --disablerepo=fedora clean metadata ; dnf upgrade It's pretty fast and gives latest updates. Well, there's still a chance to get redirected to a mirror which isn't synced with latest stuff. But there's not much you can do about that. Greetings, Andreas -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf --refresh reverts to older metadata (was: Re: dnf update vs Software Udpates)
On Sat, 2015-08-15 at 13:21 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > So, indeed, there's something seriously wrong here, and I assume it > can only be fixed if the developers of mirror manager and dnf come > together and look into it. Worth a BZ report surely? I have no special insight into this, but often at the root of this type of problem there is a failure to clearly specify what each of the components is supposed to do, resulting in a mismatch between reality and expectation on either side. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf --refresh reverts to older metadata (was: Re: dnf update vs Software Udpates)
On 15.08.2015, Michael Schwendt wrote: > A day later, no matter how often I run "dnf update --refresh", it never > gets access to the newer metadata from yesterday again. Not the 76 packages > as shown earlier in this thread, only the older 50. Jupp! It's exactly what I'm encountering since moving to F22, as shown several times in this list. > So, indeed, there's something seriously wrong here, and I assume it > can only be fixed if the developers of mirror manager and dnf come > together and look into it. Indeed. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf --refresh reverts to older metadata (was: Re: dnf update vs Software Udpates)
> And here's proof of what can happen with just --refresh: > > 1. dnf update > 2. dnf update --refresh > 3. dnf update --refresh > > The last run reverts to older metadata with only 50 updates available compared > with earlier. Mirror manager assigning to an out-of-date mirror? A day later, no matter how often I run "dnf update --refresh", it never gets access to the newer metadata from yesterday again. Not the 76 packages as shown earlier in this thread, only the older 50. So, indeed, there's something seriously wrong here, and I assume it can only be fixed if the developers of mirror manager and dnf come together and look into it. After giving the "dnf clean expire-cache" option another try, too, and then the hammer "dnf clean metadata", there has been a fresh download of even newer metadata compared with yesterday: [...] Install4 Packages Upgrade 111 Packages Remove 3 Packages Total download size: 211 M [...] # rpm -q dnf dnf-1.1.0-2.fc24.noarch -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: why the update errors for dnf, dnf-conf and python-dnf?
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015, Martin Cigorraga wrote: > No errors here. Could it be a mirrors problem? i guess it was ... just tried again and all good. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
