different settings for touchpad and mouse

[Hiisi]

Hi there!
Using F23 gnome. Because touchpad left button is rather worn out on my
laptop I decided to swap buttons functions. However now when a mouse is
connected it is also swapped. Any way to have different presets for mouse
and touchpad? I want to have touchpad with swapped buttons and mouse with
usual setup.
TIA
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Re: dnf keepcache

[Honza Šilhan]

> From: "Michael Schwendt" 
> 
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 12:55:16 -0500, Jon LaBadie wrote:
> 
> > > On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 12:08:54 +0100, Maurizio Marini wrote:
> > > $ man dnf.conf
> > > 
> > >   keepcache
> > >  boolean
> > >
> > >  Keep downloaded packages in the cache. If set to False and pack‐
> >^^^
> > >  ages have not been installed they will still persist until  next
> > >  successful transaction. The default is False.
> > > 
> > 
> > Is this an error in the man page or, more likely,
> > is my understanding of keepcache faulty?
> 
> It means that even for the keepcache=0 default, downloaded packages
> remain in the cache until they have been installed successfully. Then
> the cache will be emptied.
> 
> With keepcache=1 nothing is removed from the cache ever.

Exactly, thanks Michael for explanation. I've updated the docs in the upstream
to be more clear.

> From: "Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco" 
> su -c "echo 'keepcache=true' >> /etc/dnf/dnf.conf"
> su -c "echo 'deltarpm=true' >> /etc/dnf/dnf.conf"
> su -c "echo 'fastestmirror=true' >> /etc/dnf/dnf.conf"

You should use config manager for that [1] ;).

> From: "Ralf Corsepius" 
>
> In most cases the cause seems to be dnf's mirror selection to prefer
> broken repos and/or poorly accessible mirrors, but I have also seen
> cases, when dnf hung without any feedback for hours.

There were some users who experienced these symptoms but mostly during some time
frame when servers were down. File a bug and attach relevant data to the bug 
report [2],
please.


Honza

[1] http://dnf-plugins-core.readthedocs.org/en/latest/config_manager.html
[2] 
https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf/wiki/Bug-Reporting#connection-issue
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Re: Get iso 23

[Andreas M. Kirchwitz]

Patrick Dupre  wrote:

> Thank you very much for the clarifications.
> Then, for an install without network, the only option is
> the DVD/USB Server iso ?

Both ISO images (the combined Workstation & Live ISO, and also
the Server ISO) work without network connection. So if you download
the combined Workstation & Live ISO you can install the Workstation
edition from that. Without any network.

When you boot from the combined Workstation & Live ISO image, it
starts up a Fedora Live system first (hence the name) and then asks
if you want to continue using the Live system or if you want to
install the Workstation edition to your harddisk (without network).

Sounds a little confusing at first because Fedora sometimes calls
it Workstation, and sometimes Live. But in fact it's just one single
ISO image for both. The user decides how he wants to use the ISO.

Hope that helps ... Andreas
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Re: Get iso 23

[Patrick Dupre]

Now, I am really confuse!

> 
> > Thank you very much for the clarifications.
> > Then, for an install without network, the only option is
> > the DVD/USB Server iso ?
> 
> Both ISO images (the combined Workstation & Live ISO, and also
> the Server ISO) work without network connection. So if you download
> the combined Workstation & Live ISO you can install the Workstation
> edition from that. Without any network.
What is the combined Workstation & Live ISO?
I can get: Fedora-Server-DVD-x86_64-23.iso
and 
Fedora-Live-Workstation-i686-23-10.iso
Not a "combined" one.
Should I have both ones on the same DVD/USB?
> 
> When you boot from the combined Workstation & Live ISO image, it
> starts up a Fedora Live system first (hence the name) and then asks
> if you want to continue using the Live system or if you want to
> install the Workstation edition to your harddisk (without network).
> 
> Sounds a little confusing at first because Fedora sometimes calls
> it Workstation, and sometimes Live. But in fact it's just one single
> ISO image for both. The user decides how he wants to use the ISO.
> 
>   Hope that helps ... Andreas
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Re: VLC 2.2.2 Change Language option missing

[John Pilkington]

On 16/11/15 06:58, Javier Perez wrote:

Does anyone else have this problem, that the Language Option is missing
from the Tools Preferences menu?


My VLC installations on *buntu trusty and SL7 (2.1.6 and 2.2.2) appear 
to offer entry of language codes for subtitle preferences.  I don't see 
any other language options.


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Re: Get iso 23

[Jon Ingason]

Den 2015-11-16 kl. 12:52, skrev Patrick Dupre:
> Now, I am really confuse!
> 
>>
>>> Thank you very much for the clarifications.
>>> Then, for an install without network, the only option is
>>> the DVD/USB Server iso ?
>>
>> Both ISO images (the combined Workstation & Live ISO, and also
>> the Server ISO) work without network connection. So if you download
>> the combined Workstation & Live ISO you can install the Workstation
>> edition from that. Without any network.
> What is the combined Workstation & Live ISO?
> I can get: Fedora-Server-DVD-x86_64-23.iso
> and 
> Fedora-Live-Workstation-i686-23-10.iso
> Not a "combined" one.
> Should I have both ones on the same DVD/USB?
You find Fedora Live Workstation x86_86 here:
https://archive.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/23/Workstation/x86_64/iso/
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Re: Get iso 23

[Ian Malone]

On 15 November 2015 at 14:58, Andreas M. Kirchwitz  wrote:
> Patrick Dupre  wrote:
>
>>> > How can I get an iso image for fedora 23 (workstation) ?
>>>
>>> https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/
>> There is only the Live version not the DVD iso.
>
> The Fedora Workstation Live image is a combined ISO image for both,
> either running Fedora Live (directly from DVD/USB) or install the
> Fedora Workstation edition (from the same DVD/USB).
>
> This is different from the Server ISO image which is only for
> installation but not for so-called live usage.
>
> Unfortunately, both ISO image work somewhat different. For example,
> the Workstation/Live image does not support mdraid devices or
> encrypted volumes. Only the Server image does. However, the Server
> image does not allow to install the Workstation edition from local
> resources (only via network).
>
> IMHO, the functionality has been split up in a confusing way.
> There should be a "Live" ISO image for live usage and there should
> be an "Installation" ISO image that combines Server and Workstation
> editions (still fits perfectly fine on a single DVD, even on a small
> 4 GB USB stick).
>

Difficult, the different products have their own particular
customisations to the setup you get, it's no longer just a question of
what packages there are. See e.g.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Workstation_Disable_Firewall

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desktop suggestions for tablet (MS Surface Pro 3)

[Ranjan Maitra]

Hi,

I am not a DE user, but I think that using a DE on my Linux-OS-running MS 
Surface would make more sense. Given that, I wonder what would your suggestions 
be for using a DE in order to make it more useful for a tablet, in this case, a 
MS Surface Pro 3. Would it be KDE, Gnome, or even Mate/Cinnamon?

Would it be possible to use the screen's zoom and shrink capabilities, using 
any of these DEs? What additional software would I need?

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Cannot connect VPN

[Oliver Ruebenacker]

 Hello,

  Since today, I can not connect to a VPN any more. It may be caused by
today's batch of updates. I click the "connect" button and nothing happens.
When I click the button often enough, kded5 crashes.

  Any idea how to diagnose or fix this? Thanks!

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Re: Cannot connect VPN

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:00:55 -0500
Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:

> Any idea how to diagnose or fix this?

Not really any help, but the non-NetworkManager command line "ppp"
tools stopped working for me a long time ago. I now use
a windows virtual machine to connect when I need the VPN
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dnf system-upgrade error

[Richard Shaw]

Trying to update my f21 system to f22 but dnf system-upgrade is giving me
an error:

# dnf system-upgrade download --releasever 22
[snip]
Using metadata from Fri Nov 13 07:54:36 2015 (3 days, 5:43:10 hours old)
Error: cannot install both nosync-1.0-2.fc22.x86_64 and
nosync-1.0-2.fc21.x86_64

Why would both need to be installed? Is it trying to tell me that even
after the proposed transaction that something would be requiring f21 nosync?

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Re: xorg 1.18 released

[Tom Horsley]

> You should probably use https://www.changedetection.com and monitor
> http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html for changes to see when they release a 
> new driver. 
> And then you can bug the folks at rpmfusion.

Ah-HA! A 352.63 driver just showed up on the nvidia site with this
as one of the items added:

   Added support for X.Org xserver ABI 20 (xorg-server 1.18).

So we just need rpmfusion to catch up now :-).
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Re: Cannot connect VPN

[Oliver Ruebenacker]

 Hello,

  Considering it might be KDE-related, I opened a Gnome session (the first
after a long time), and there, the VPN (vpnc) works as expected.

 Best, Oliver

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Tom Horsley  wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:00:55 -0500
> Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
>
> > Any idea how to diagnose or fix this?
>
> Not really any help, but the non-NetworkManager command line "ppp"
> tools stopped working for me a long time ago. I now use
> a windows virtual machine to connect when I need the VPN
> to work.
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Re: dnf system-upgrade error

[Terry Polzin]

I believe that you still need to use fedup in Fedora 21


On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Richard Shaw  wrote:

> Trying to update my f21 system to f22 but dnf system-upgrade is giving me
> an error:
>
> # dnf system-upgrade download --releasever 22
> [snip]
> Using metadata from Fri Nov 13 07:54:36 2015 (3 days, 5:43:10 hours old)
> Error: cannot install both nosync-1.0-2.fc22.x86_64 and
> nosync-1.0-2.fc21.x86_64
>
> Why would both need to be installed? Is it trying to tell me that even
> after the proposed transaction that something would be requiring f21 nosync?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
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Audacity lovers - request for testing

[David Timms]

The next version of Audacity is soon to be released, but I would like
some help from users who can test the packaged release candidate in the
next few days [1], [2]. Both positive and negative feedback in bodhi [3]
and bugs [4] if not already submitted would be great.

Cheers, Dave.

[1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=699427
[2] dnf --enablerepo=updates-testing install audacity  * may need a day
or two.
[3] https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2015-51664dda77
[4]
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&classification=Fedora&component=audacity&list_id=4184167&product=Fedora&query_format=advanced
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dnf group thinks a group is installed but its packages have already been removed

[Sudhir Khanger]

Hi,

I had dnf group install lxqt. dnf group remove lxqt wanted to remove pretty 
much everything on my KDE box. I removed individual packages with lxqt-*.


Now I can't install lxqt group because dnf thinks it is already installed 
although there no lxqt-* packages on my system anymore. I can't remove lxqt and 
reinstall because it will remove everything else along with it.


1. Why does `dnf group remove lxqt` wants to remove everything on my system? 
Most of it is not explicitely installed by me 
https://paste.fedoraproject.org/291300/
2. How can I reinstall lxqt group?
3. Is it a bug in dnf?
4. Is there a reinstall option for group?


$ sudo dnf group list 
Last metadata expiration check performed 0:53:42 ago on Tue Nov 17 08:06:22 
2015. 
Available environment groups: 
   Minimal Install 
   Fedora Server 
   Fedora Cloud Server 
   KDE Plasma Workspaces 
   Xfce Desktop 
   LXDE Desktop 
   Cinnamon Desktop 
   MATE Desktop 
   Sugar Desktop Environment 
   Development and Creative Workstation 
   Web Server 
   Infrastructure Server 
   Basic Desktop 
Installed environment groups: 
   Fedora Workstation 
   LXQt Desktop 
Installed groups: 
   Administration Tools 
   C Development Tools and Libraries 
   LibreOffice

$ sudo dnf group install lxqt 
Last metadata expiration check performed 0:54:20 ago on Tue Nov 17 08:06:22 
2015. 
Group 'LXQt' is already installed, skipping. 
Dependencies resolved. 
Nothing to do. 
Complete!


[sudhir@fedora ~]$ rpm -qa | grep lxqt
[sudhir@fedora ~]$ 



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How much cache does keepcache keeps?

[Sudhir Khanger]

Hi,

I learned it the hard way that dnf undo/rollback will fail if packages to 
rollback to are missing. DNF devs don't think it is their problem that packages 
go missing. Even keepcache is set to false so that the chances of losing 
packages go high. I don't follow the logic that you write a feature but it's 
requirements are left to be fulfilled by fate of luck.


> keepcache
> Keeps downloaded packages in the cache when set to True.


How much cache is kept? Is there a size limit? Is there a number of packages 
limit? Is there a number-of-versions-of-a-package limit?


> Even if it is set to False and packages have not been installed they will 
still persist until next successful transaction. The default is False.


Does that mean if I upgrade to pkg-1.0 to pkg-2.0 to pkg-3.0, pkg-1.0 is kept 
when it is upgraded to pkg-2.0 and when pkg-2.0 is upgraded to pkg-3.0 it 
deletes pkg-1.0 and keeps pkg-2.0 in cache? Basically the last version is kept 
and all previous are deleted. How is this changed when a user sets keepcache to 
1?


It probably seems it is best to setup dnf-local-plugin which keeps all the 
packages ever installed on my system.

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Re: How much cache does keepcache keeps?

[Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco]

2015-11-16 22:28 GMT-06:00 Sudhir Khanger :
> Hi,
>
> I learned it the hard way that dnf undo/rollback will fail if packages to
> rollback to are missing. DNF devs don't think it is their problem that
> packages go missing. Even keepcache is set to false so that the chances of
> losing packages go high. I don't follow the logic that you write a feature
> but it's requirements are left to be fulfilled by fate of luck.
>
In the memorables yum days, yum was able to manage the installation
and upgrades from local packages and local repos build from
/var/cache/yum cached packages.

I read somewhere, that this feature is set false to prevent normal
users cache from growing up out of control (space).

>> keepcache
>> Keeps downloaded packages in the cache when set to True.
>
Yeaps, after adding this line to /etc/dnf/dnf.conf:
keepcache=true

> How much cache is kept? Is there a size limit? Is there a number of packages
> limit? Is there a number-of-versions-of-a-package limit?
>
There is not a unique answer to this question, since the amount of
data you can download through a Fedora cycle is determined by the
amount of times that a package receive an update.

If from the very start, after installing from a live media install if
you set it true, maybe at the end of a Fedora cycle you may end with
some gigas stored in your /var/cache/dnf, I still conserve my fedora
17 cache and is about 4 GB even when I reinstalled it because of
unconformity with Fedora 18.

So the unique limit you have is delimited by the space you have to
store data on your /var/cache/dnf, many people recommends having /var/
in a dedicated partition, even on a dedicated disk. The are not limit
on the size apart from the size of the disk/partition, there are not
limit on the number of packages nor it's numbers of versions.

>> Even if it is set to False and packages have not been installed they will
>> still persist until next successful transaction. The default is False.
>
They persist until the transaction and installation/upgrading process ends.

> Does that mean if I upgrade to pkg-1.0 to pkg-2.0 to pkg-3.0, pkg-1.0 is
> kept when it is upgraded to pkg-2.0 and when pkg-2.0 is upgraded to pkg-3.0
> it deletes pkg-1.0 and keeps pkg-2.0 in cache? Basically the last version is
> kept and all previous are deleted. How is this changed when a user sets
> keepcache to 1?
>
Nop, on the /var/cache/dnf/ is kept every all of package you download
as a result of installing it or dnf downloading it as an update.

> It probably seems it is best to setup dnf-local-plugin which keeps all the
> packages ever installed on my system.
>
You may keep all of the installed package un /var/cache, but not
having many diferent version installed at the same time.

> Regards,
> Sudhir Khanger,
> sudhirkhanger.com.
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Re: How much cache does keepcache keeps?

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 11/17/2015 05:28 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote:

Hi,

I learned it the hard way that dnf undo/rollback will fail if packages
to rollback to are missing.


I would recommend not to waste time on rollbacks, because a package 
based rollback will only work when a package's installation is 
non-stateful. This applies to many "trivial packages", but does not 
apply in general.


Ralf


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Re: How much cache does keepcache keeps?

[Sudhir Khanger]

On Monday 16 Nov 2015 11:23:30 PM Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco wrote:
> So the unique limit you have is delimited by the space you have to
> store data on your /var/cache/dnf, many people recommends having /var/
> in a dedicated partition, even on a dedicated disk. The are not limit
> on the size apart from the size of the disk/partition, there are not
> limit on the number of packages nor it's numbers of versions.
> 

Do you mean that keepcache=1 will keep all versions of all packages, even from 
3rd party repos and manually installed rpms, in cache '/var/cache/dnf' forever 
as long as storage permits it?

That sounds exactly like python-dnf-plugins-extras-local. What is the 
difference between keepcache=1 and the local plugin.

Can the cache location be saved in any other location like home folder which 
as a lot more space than / folder which in my case is only 20 GiB?

> > It probably seems it is best to setup dnf-local-plugin which keeps all the
> > packages ever installed on my system.
> 
> You may keep all of the installed package un /var/cache, but not
> having many diferent version installed at the same time.
> 

I am not very clear on what you are trying to say. dnf-plugins-extras-local 
will create a local repo, at a location of your choice, and keep all packages 
including all versions ever installed/updated on your system.

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Re: How much cache does keepcache keeps?

[Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco]

2015-11-16 23:53 GMT-06:00 Sudhir Khanger :
> On Monday 16 Nov 2015 11:23:30 PM Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco wrote:
>> So the unique limit you have is delimited by the space you have to
>> store data on your /var/cache/dnf, many people recommends having /var/
>> in a dedicated partition, even on a dedicated disk. The are not limit
>> on the size apart from the size of the disk/partition, there are not
>> limit on the number of packages nor it's numbers of versions.
>>
>
> Do you mean that keepcache=1 will keep all versions of all packages, even from
> 3rd party repos and manually installed rpms, in cache '/var/cache/dnf' forever
> as long as storage permits it?
>
Yes, even from 3rd party repos like frpm-fusion and google-chrome
cache. The correct line is:
keepcache=true

I don't know which effects has keepcache=1, I don't use this since
last time I used yum.

Yes as long a storage permits it or as long you want to keep it, a
"dnf clean all" will delete all of the packages stored on the cache.

> That sounds exactly like python-dnf-plugins-extras-local. What is the
> difference between keepcache=1 and the local plugin.
>
I don't know, this is the first time that I hear of
python-dnf-extras-local, not sure what it does or for what is intended
for.

> Can the cache location be saved in any other location like home folder which
> as a lot more space than / folder which in my case is only 20 GiB?
>
In yum days... yes, now days... yes, but I don't know if it is
possible to create a local repo, in a usb for example, starting from
these files.

>> > It probably seems it is best to setup dnf-local-plugin which keeps all the
>> > packages ever installed on my system.
>>
>> You may keep all of the installed package un /var/cache, but not
>> having many diferent version installed at the same time.
>>
>
> I am not very clear on what you are trying to say. dnf-plugins-extras-local
> will create a local repo, at a location of your choice, and keep all packages
> including all versions ever installed/updated on your system.
>
Sorry, my bad, what I mean is:
1. You install a package foo-1.0.fc23.x86_64.rpm
2. The package is running on your system, version:1.0, and also the
rpm file from which you installed, is stored on /var/cache/dnf.
3. An update come, foo-1.1.fc23.x86_64.rpm.
4. After updating you end up with: foo-1.1fc23.x86_64.rpm running on
your system, foo-1.1.fc23.x86_64.rpm stored on /var/cache/dnf/
alongside foo-1.0.fc23.x86_64.rpm.

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Re: How much cache does keepcache keeps?

[Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco]

2015-11-16 23:53 GMT-06:00 Sudhir Khanger :
> On Monday 16 Nov 2015 11:23:30 PM Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco wrote:
>> So the unique limit you have is delimited by the space you have to
>> store data on your /var/cache/dnf, many people recommends having /var/
>> in a dedicated partition, even on a dedicated disk. The are not limit
>> on the size apart from the size of the disk/partition, there are not
>> limit on the number of packages nor it's numbers of versions.
>>
>
> Do you mean that keepcache=1 will keep all versions of all packages, even from
> 3rd party repos and manually installed rpms, in cache '/var/cache/dnf' forever
> as long as storage permits it?
>
> That sounds exactly like python-dnf-plugins-extras-local. What is the
> difference between keepcache=1 and the local plugin.
>
> Can the cache location be saved in any other location like home folder which
> as a lot more space than / folder which in my case is only 20 GiB?
>
>> > It probably seems it is best to setup dnf-local-plugin which keeps all the
>> > packages ever installed on my system.
>>
>> You may keep all of the installed package un /var/cache, but not
>> having many diferent version installed at the same time.
>>
>
> I am not very clear on what you are trying to say. dnf-plugins-extras-local
> will create a local repo, at a location of your choice, and keep all packages
> including all versions ever installed/updated on your system.
>
This is how I created local repos on a usb with the cache in the
memorables yum days. Slides are in spanish:
https://yn1v.fedorapeople.org/Slides/repos_en_usb.pdf

This is a video tutorial based on the slides:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnrvXbFxJfY

I have not tried to create a local repo using dnf, I don't know how
dnf will handle this task or if dnf is able to handle it, I will test
it and share the news in this thread.

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Re: How much cache does keepcache keeps?

[Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco]

2015-11-16 23:41 GMT-06:00 Ralf Corsepius :
> On 11/17/2015 05:28 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I learned it the hard way that dnf undo/rollback will fail if packages
>> to rollback to are missing.
>
>
> I would recommend not to waste time on rollbacks, because a package based
> rollback will only work when a package's installation is non-stateful. This
> applies to many "trivial packages", but does not apply in general.
>
Rollbacks works the same like downgrading?, Is the same task?

Downgrading is important when, for example you need to use xorg 1.17
instead of xorg 1.18 in order to install a nvidia privative driver
because nvidia does not works with the new xorg version.

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Re: How much cache does keepcache keeps?

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 11/17/2015 08:44 AM, Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco wrote:

2015-11-16 23:41 GMT-06:00 Ralf Corsepius :

On 11/17/2015 05:28 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote:


Hi,

I learned it the hard way that dnf undo/rollback will fail if packages
to rollback to are missing.



I would recommend not to waste time on rollbacks, because a package based
rollback will only work when a package's installation is non-stateful. This
applies to many "trivial packages", but does not apply in general.


Rollbacks works the same like downgrading?, Is the same task?


I am not sufficiently familiar with dnf's internals, but AFAICT, yes.


Downgrading is important when, for example you need to use xorg 1.17
instead of xorg 1.18 in order to install a nvidia privative driver
because nvidia does not works with the new xorg version.


The same consideration here: It's mere luck, if a downgrade works.
It's just that most packages are non-stateful, which lets downgrading 
most packages succeed.


Ralf

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