Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Tim]

Timothy Murphy:
>> Slightly OT, and no help to the OP, but it seems extraordinary to me
>> that there is no official way of installing Fedora from the hard disk.

Chris Murphy:
> Start working on an implementation and propose it as a feature for a
> future version of Fedora?

Why should someone have to re-implement what we used to be able to do on
Fedora, years ago?

Way back when I had to use slow CD-ROMs to install, or not-as-slow DVDs,
I found it quicker to copy installation info (ISO or expanded tree) to a
partition on a drive, boot the simpler network install disc (probably
could have avoided that, but was convenient enough for me), but run the
rest of the install from the hard drive.  I just kept one partition
spare, and didn't include it as part of the install.

The installer never used to block use of an entire drive, or any drive,
for that matter.

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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Tim]

On Sat, 2016-04-16 at 11:15 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> I think he means extracting the .iso to one partition and using it to 
> install Fedora on the rest of the drive (or even on a different drive)
> while not reformatting that partition.  I'm not sure why he wants to
> do this, but it does look like it should be possible.

That sort of thing used to be possible.  It was one method that those
people remotely administrating a headless server used to update an
installation.  They can't walk into a server farm on the other side of
the world, and insert media.  The update has to be done from what's
probably the only drive in the box.

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Re: gmail thought it was spam

[Tim]

On Sat, 2016-04-16 at 12:27 -0500, g wrote:
> thanks to yuchahoo bouncing my good email, even after filling out and
> submitting forms that lists.fedoraproject.org and 5 other subscribed
> to list are desired, and, also aggravating is that yuckahoo also marks
> good emails as junk and sends them to their junk folder forcing me to
> have to also pull emails that they _think_ are junk along to get my
> good emails that they do not bounce, i missed first post of this thread,
> so i will start with your post.

Hence why I don't let others do spam filtering for me.  Their methods
tend to be crap, and your control of it inadequate.

> i agree 100% with your reasoning and maybe should have done so to at
> start. exception being that when i first subscribed to bellsouth.net,
> i had no problems.

When I first started, I had no problems with spam, either.  A year or so
later I got the odd one or two, so manual deleting is not a problem.
Then it started to come in droves, thanks to address harvesting.
Though, for a very long time, I had an email address in clear text on my
website didn't attract spam, oddly enough.

I've always found avoiding being spammed is better than trying to deal
with a deluge.  For what it's worth, in the early days, I found that
double-barrelled email addresses (e.g. john-...@example.org) stopped a
lot of random dictionary spam, and triple-barrelled addresses
(mr-john-doe@) stopped almost all random dictionary spam.  They just
don't seem to mock up multi-name addresses when doing that kind of spam
(spamming addresses that they fake up to see if they exist, rather than
spamming addresses harvested from current public emails).

Another trick was to put extra words in your address.  Some spammers
seem to think that such words are munged into addresses, and ought to be
removed when posting to you.  Of course, if your address actually
required them, the mail fails.  Or the converse, words that need
removing to post, can fool spammers who don't follow instructions.  But
that depends on normal humans having some intelligence before replying,
actually looking at your address, and modifying it if needed.  Since a
lot of people are stupid, not to put too fine a point on it, I wouldn't
use those type of munged addresses in private mail, just where you have
no choice but to publicly expose an address.

> i have an other way that eliminates junk emails. extensive filtering
> of all email i receive so that any emails that hit last filter for each
> of my accounts. as such, any thing that hit 'Local Folders / Inbox'
> using thunderbird email client, what shows up is either new emails
> needing filter setup or is junk and after a using  on them,
> thunderbird's junk filtering takes care of them.

I used to do that approach, too.  Filter all wanted mail where you'd
read it, and manually deal with the left overs.  Unfortunately, when I
switched over to Linux, many years ago, Evolution has been the least
worst mail client out of the many that I've tried, but it's as slow as
molasses at filtering mail, so I gave up.  Read everything in the inbox,
and shovel stuff into archives once a month if I want to keep it.  I
really should do filtering on my IMAP server, but any time I've looked
at how to do it, it's a headache.

Personally, I preferred usenet for the kind of thing that this mailing
list did.  Usenet clients act a bit like a web browser, only caching
what you read, and expunging older cached things at some expiry date, so
your drive doesn't fill up, just maintains up to a certain amount.  You
don't have to housekeep, it does it for you.  They're also more featured
in following threads, allowing you to mark particular ones to be watched
or ignored, and downgrading particular authors, or outright killing
their messages from your view.  Never tried a usenet client?  Have a
look at Pan, to see this kind of thing in action.  You can use it with
this mailing list through the gmane usenet/newsgroup interface.

> once i start a new account with another isp and get all my desired
> email senders, personal and public, notified of new addresses, i will
> drop bellsouth, aka, att/yuckahoo like a hot brick and enjoy a totally
> spam/junk free email life.
> 
> bellsouth/att will also lose me as a pots customer. B-)

Some service providers are just crap, and knowing that I've not used an
ISP mail account since I ditched my second one.  That way, I'm not held
hostage to them.  It's really worth getting your own domain name, then
you can do your mail through whichever host you feel like using, and
dump them if they go bad, yet still keep the same address.

On that note, having more than one email address means that you get
extra doses of spam.  Though it is handy to have more than one, so you
can still email if a service goes down, or you have to use mail away
from your own computers.  So I'd stick with just a couple of addresses.
e.g. One for private, one for public.

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Re: gmail thought it was spam

[Tim]

On Sat, 2016-04-16 at 11:50 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> This seems to explain the issue. Yahoo basically wants everyone to
> reject yahoo emails sent from other mail servers, which is what
> mailing lists do. But Google is one of the few, I guess, that honor
> this request, and that's why it goes to spam no matter what
> anti-training is applied.
>  
> Old article too, 2014, so not a new problem.
>  
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html

Aren't that looking at the wrong "from" address, though?


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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Mike Wright]

On 04/16/2016 09:45 PM, Kevin Wilson wrote:

Thanks, Mike, but this fails:
mount -o loop,rw
/work/down/setup/Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5.iso /mnt/loop
mount: /dev/loop0 is write-protected, mounting read-only

s:/$mount -o remount,rw /mnt/loop
mount: cannot remount /dev/loop0 read-write, is write-protected


Here's an idea.  Mount the r/o iso.  Make a copy of it.  cd to the copy. 
 The copy will still have the original permissions but they are 
changeable.  Make your changes and save it as an iso (not sure how you'd 
do that).

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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/16/2016 09:45 PM, Kevin Wilson wrote:

Thanks, Mike, but this fails:
mount -o loop,rw
/work/down/setup/Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5.iso /mnt/loop
mount: /dev/loop0 is write-protected, mounting read-only

s:/$mount -o remount,rw /mnt/loop
mount: cannot remount /dev/loop0 read-write, is write-protected

The ISO9660 format is read-only.  See the other replies in this thread 
on how to make a writeable USB drive using the ISO file.

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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Kevin Wilson]

Thanks, Mike, but this fails:
mount -o loop,rw
/work/down/setup/Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5.iso /mnt/loop
mount: /dev/loop0 is write-protected, mounting read-only

s:/$mount -o remount,rw /mnt/loop
mount: cannot remount /dev/loop0 read-write, is write-protected

Kevin


On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Mike Wright
 wrote:
> On 04/16/2016 09:32 PM, Kevin Wilson wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> 'loop' mount iso, change grub.config, save as new iso, install to usb.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the advice, but this seems not to work:
>>
>> $mount -o loop /work/down/setup/Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5.iso
>> /mnt/loop
>> mount: /dev/loop0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
>>
>> then unmounting and mounting with "rw" option fails:
>>
>> mount -o loop,rw
>
>
> Once mounted the first time try:
>
> mount -o remount,rw /mnt/loop
>
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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Mike Wright]

On 04/16/2016 09:32 PM, Kevin Wilson wrote:

Hi,

'loop' mount iso, change grub.config, save as new iso, install to usb.


Thanks for the advice, but this seems not to work:

$mount -o loop /work/down/setup/Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5.iso
/mnt/loop
mount: /dev/loop0 is write-protected, mounting read-only

then unmounting and mounting with "rw" option fails:

mount -o loop,rw


Once mounted the first time try:

mount -o remount,rw /mnt/loop
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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Kevin Wilson]

Hi,
> 'loop' mount iso, change grub.config, save as new iso, install to usb.

Thanks for the advice, but this seems not to work:

$mount -o loop /work/down/setup/Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5.iso
/mnt/loop
mount: /dev/loop0 is write-protected, mounting read-only

then unmounting and mounting with "rw" option fails:

mount -o loop,rw
/work/down/setup/Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5.iso /mnt/loop
Still Again:
mount: /dev/loop0 is write-protected, mounting read-only

So obviously I cannot make any change to the mounted images.

Any idea how can I get rid of the "write protect" of the iso?

Regards,
Kevin


On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 4:21 PM, g  wrote:
>
>
> On 04/16/16 07:40, Kevin Wilson wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Thanks, but this does not seem to solve the problem.
>> Once I put the live on part 1, as suggested, it will be written as
>> read only. And the grub.conf
>> is there, so it seems that again I will not be able to write to it as
>> part 1 is read only.
>> Or am I wrong ?
>>
> ===>
> ok, i read you intent, but brain followed a diff path. 8=(
>
> 'loop' mount iso, change grub.config, save as new iso, install to usb.
>
> has been a will, do not recall if has to be done as 'root' user or 'sudo',
> so, from bookmarks, see;
>
> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/mounting-an-iso-image-and-editing-it-463906/
>
>
> --
> peace out.
>
> If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes...
>  ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it!
> -+-
> in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
>
> CentOS GNU/Linux 6.7
>
> tc,hago.
>
> g
> .
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Re: Fedora 23 Server: can't startx

[Braden McDaniel]

On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 17:52 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 03/30/2016 05:24 PM, James Hogarth wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On 31 Mar 2016 00:52, "Braden McDaniel"  > > wrote:
> >  >
> >  > On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 13:21 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > > On 03/30/2016 12:06 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote:
> >  > > > I have a fresh, updated install of Fedora 23 Server.  After
> >  > > > installation, I installed the "Basic Desktop" group.  Now,
> > when I
> > try to
> >  > > > run startx, it fails with the error:
> >  > > >
> >  > > >  xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O
> > (Operation
> > not permitted)
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Where should I look to diagnose/resolve this?  Could this be
> > related to
> >  > > > the fact that my home directories are NFS mounted?  (I have
> > set the
> >  > > > use_nfs_home_dirs SELinux setting to "on".)
> >  > > >
> >  > > What AVC's are you seeing?
> >  > >
> >  > > ausearch -m avc -ts recent
> >  >
> >  > None, apparently:
> >  >
> >  > # ausearch -m avc -ts recent
> >  > 
> >  >
> >  > (I ran startx again just before doing that, just to be sure.)
> >  >
> > 
> > Rather than running startx as your user from a tty what is the
> > result of
> > systemctl isolate graphical.target to move to the graphical
> > interface
> > from the multi-user.target ?
> This sure smells like some of the device drivers or utilities X needs
> aren't installed. Can you try to install one of the normal desktop
> environment groups, e.g.
> 
>   dnf groupinstall "Xfce Desktop"
> 
> I'm just thinking that "Basic Desktop" is incomplete or is just a
> metapackage that one of the other desktops needs and isn't "stand
> alone".

Good call.

It looks like there's some bustage in the "Basic Desktop" group (or
perhaps the packages it includes).


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Re: gmail thought it was spam

[Tom H]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Chris Murphy  wrote:
>
> This seems to explain the issue. Yahoo basically wants everyone to
> reject yahoo emails sent from other mail servers, which is what
> mailing lists do. But Google is one of the few, I guess, that honor
> this request, and that's why it goes to spam no matter what
> anti-training is applied.
>
> Old article too, 2014, so not a new problem.
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html

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Re: gmail thought it was spam

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/16/2016 12:17 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:

Short version as I understand it: yahoo's addition of dmarc=fail is a
request to consider any email not sent by a yahoo mail server as spam,
and Google is one of the few to honor that request.


And no wonder.  To quote from Wikipedia:

Reject policy is fine for domains that don't have individual human 
users, or for companies with firm staff policies that all mail goes 
through the company mail server, and employees don't join mailing lists 
and the like using company addresses, or the company provides a separate 
less strictly managed domain for its staff mail. Strict policies will 
never be appropriate for public webmail systems where the users will use 
their mail addresses any way one can use a mail address.

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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/16/2016 11:52 AM, g wrote:

i believe you 2 are speculating too much as to op's intent.

op states that he can boot on other boxen, but not the one. nothing
about install from live.

This had nothing to do with the OP.  I was replying to someone else that 
commented about installing from the hard drive.

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Re: gmail thought it was spam

[Chris Murphy]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Chris Murphy  wrote:
>
> Short version as I understand it: yahoo's addition of dmarc=fail

dmarc=reject rather

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Re: gmail thought it was spam

[Chris Murphy]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Tom H  wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Greg Woods  wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 10:56 PM, Tim  wrote:
>>> Chris Murphy :

 FYI, gmail puts your emails in spam for the following reason: Why is
 this message in Spam? It has a from address in yahoo.com.au but has
 failed yahoo.com.au's required tests for authentication.
>>
>> This is, unfortunately, a well-known issue between Google and Yahoo.
>> We're on Google at work so I get to deal with this on a semi-regular
>> basis.
>>
>> There is something called DMARC (you can Google for that term, the
>> first few hits are directly relevant). Without going into all the
>> details, suffice it to say that Google believes Yahoo has DMARC in
>> place, but they're doing it wrong. This results in mail from Yahoo
>> coming from servers that Google thinks it shouldn't be coming from, so
>> it gets rejected, flagged as spam, etc.
>>
>> I haven't researched it thoroughly enough to figure out who's right
>> and who's wrong here, but the bottom line is that it is hard to
>> receive mail from Yahoo users on Gmail.
>
> You must be on the right track, but here must be more to it than this.
>
> Yahoo mail that's sent directly to my address is OK but Yahoo mail
> that's sent via a mailing list is flagged as spam.


Short version as I understand it: yahoo's addition of dmarc=fail is a
request to consider any email not sent by a yahoo mail server as spam,
and Google is one of the few to honor that request.


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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Chris Murphy]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:
> Kevin Wilson wrote:
>
>> Once I put the live on part 1, as suggested, it will be written as
>> read only. And the grub.conf
>> is there, so it seems that again I will not be able to write to it as
>> part 1 is read only.
>
> Slightly OT, and no help to the OP, but it seems extraordinary to me
> that there is no official way of installing Fedora from the hard disk.

Start working on an implementation and propose it as a feature for a
future version of Fedora?

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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[g]

On 04/16/16 13:15, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 04/16/2016 11:00 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>>>
>> What would that mean?  Normally, you are overwriting the hard drive, so
>> where would you put the installer files?
>
> I think he means extracting the .iso to one partition and using it to 
> install Fedora on the rest of the drive (or even on a different drive) 
> while not reformatting that partition.  I'm not sure why he wants to do 
> this, but it does look like it should be possible.
===>
i believe you 2 are speculating too much as to op's intent.

op states that he can boot on other boxen, but not the one. nothing
about install from live.

as has been written in many post on most all linux support list,
a live boot is a great way to test boxen to see if hardware is
compatible with intended version, which is in part what op found
out with boxen that he did have a hardware problem and he need
to disable "smp" because it is a "non SMP machine".

as such, to test rest of hardware, he has to get past cpu problem.

such is not to guess his actual. it is only to comment as to why
one might wish to boot a boxen with a live operating system.


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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Chris Murphy]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 4:27 AM, Kevin Wilson  wrote:
> Hello,
> After copying an ISO of fedora 23 x86_64 into a USB key with the dd
> command, everything is fine - I can boot with that USB
> key.
> However, there is one machine where I have to use nosmp so that it
> will boot. There is some hw problem with this issue but
> this machine is only for simple tests so I don't mind that it will
> work as a non SMP machine,
> So I want to change the grub of the USB disk on key (add "nosmp" to
> the kernel command line)
>
> When I boot into fedora from hard disk and try to mount it, it is
> mounted as read-only. Also specifying "rw" and a boot options does not
> change
> it - it refuses to do so:
> mount /dev/sdc1 -o rw /mnt/sdc1
>
> Failed to execute operation: Access denied.
>
> Any ideas if there is anything I can do make this USB read-write ? or
> is there a way to perapare Live Fedora USB  key so that it could be
> mounted from the Hard Disk as read-write ?

Install livecd-tools and use livecd-iso-to-disk to make the stick. If
you use --reset-mbr --efi --format and point it at the whole device,
all data on the stick is lost, but it'll create a BIOS+UEFI bootable
stick. All files will be on FAT32 which is read writable, including
either grub.cfg (used on UEFI) or syslinux.conf (used on BIOS). When
you dd the image to the USB stick, it retains the ISO's format of
iso9660 which isn't a writable format.


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Re: gmail thought it was spam

[Tom H]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Greg Woods  wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 10:56 PM, Tim  wrote:
>> Chris Murphy :
>>>
>>> FYI, gmail puts your emails in spam for the following reason: Why is
>>> this message in Spam? It has a from address in yahoo.com.au but has
>>> failed yahoo.com.au's required tests for authentication.
>
> This is, unfortunately, a well-known issue between Google and Yahoo.
> We're on Google at work so I get to deal with this on a semi-regular
> basis.
>
> There is something called DMARC (you can Google for that term, the
> first few hits are directly relevant). Without going into all the
> details, suffice it to say that Google believes Yahoo has DMARC in
> place, but they're doing it wrong. This results in mail from Yahoo
> coming from servers that Google thinks it shouldn't be coming from, so
> it gets rejected, flagged as spam, etc.
>
> I haven't researched it thoroughly enough to figure out who's right
> and who's wrong here, but the bottom line is that it is hard to
> receive mail from Yahoo users on Gmail.

You must be on the right track, but here must be more to it than this.

Yahoo mail that's sent directly to my address is OK but Yahoo mail
that's sent via a mailing list is flagged as spam.
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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/16/2016 11:00 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:



What would that mean?  Normally, you are overwriting the hard drive, so
where would you put the installer files?


I think he means extracting the .iso to one partition and using it to 
install Fedora on the rest of the drive (or even on a different drive) 
while not reformatting that partition.  I'm not sure why he wants to do 
this, but it does look like it should be possible.

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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/16/2016 10:02 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

Kevin Wilson wrote:


Once I put the live on part 1, as suggested, it will be written as
read only. And the grub.conf
is there, so it seems that again I will not be able to write to it as
part 1 is read only.


Slightly OT, and no help to the OP, but it seems extraordinary to me
that there is no official way of installing Fedora from the hard disk.

What would that mean?  Normally, you are overwriting the hard drive, so 
where would you put the installer files?  Do you know of any other 
distro that has this option?


Even though there is no "official" way, it is still possible to do it 
and it's not that hard depending on the initial state of your hard drive.

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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/16/2016 03:27 AM, Kevin Wilson wrote:

Hello,
After copying an ISO of fedora 23 x86_64 into a USB key with the dd
command, everything is fine - I can boot with that USB
key.
However, there is one machine where I have to use nosmp so that it
will boot. There is some hw problem with this issue but
this machine is only for simple tests so I don't mind that it will
work as a non SMP machine,
So I want to change the grub of the USB disk on key (add "nosmp" to
the kernel command line)


You can always add it at boot time, but you are wanting it to be permanent?


When I boot into fedora from hard disk and try to mount it, it is
mounted as read-only. Also specifying "rw" and a boot options does not
change
it - it refuses to do so:
mount /dev/sdc1 -o rw /mnt/sdc1

Failed to execute operation: Access denied.

The ISO CD format is read-only and that's what you wrote to the USB 
drive.  Use livecd-iso-to-disk to put the contents of the ISO file on 
the USB.  Then you can not only edit the boot files, but you can also 
use the rest of the storage space on the drive.

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Re: gmail thought it was spam

[Chris Murphy]

This seems to explain the issue. Yahoo basically wants everyone to
reject yahoo emails sent from other mail servers, which is what
mailing lists do. But Google is one of the few, I guess, that honor
this request, and that's why it goes to spam no matter what
anti-training is applied.

Old article too, 2014, so not a new problem.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html


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Re: gmail thought it was spam

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 01:18:29 +0930
Tim  wrote:

> Misha S.:
> > But you have to put a notice that makes you look like a douche in
> > all your outgoing mail.  
> 
> And up yours, too...  If you go around throwing insults, expect to get
> slapped in the face for it.

Both of you please stop the personal attacks. 

Take a minute and re-read  http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Thanks.

kevin


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Re: gmail thought it was spam

[g]

On 04/16/16 09:47, Misha S. wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Tim  wrote:
>> The chief step being to post to this list using an address that's inbox
>> auto-deletes everything without a special password, and to receive
>> messages using a second address that isn't publicly exposed on this
>> list.  Long, long, ago, I found that posting to mailing lists was the
>> main way to get spam, addresses are harvested from them en-masse.  Stop
>> exposing your address, and don't use ones that get easily spammed by
>> random dictionary attacks, and your spam dwindles significantly.
>
===>

hi Tim.

thanks to yuchahoo bouncing my good email, even after filling out and
submitting forms that lists.fedoraproject.org and 5 other subscribed
to list are desired, and, also aggravating is that yuckahoo also marks
good emails as junk and sends them to their junk folder forcing me to
have to also pull emails that they _think_ are junk along to get my
good emails that they do not bounce, i missed first post of this thread,
so i will start with your post.

i agree 100% with your reasoning and maybe should have done so to at
start. exception being that when i first subscribed to bellsouth.net,
i had no problems.

i have an other way that eliminates junk emails. extensive filtering
of all email i receive so that any emails that hit last filter for each
of my accounts. as such, any thing that hit 'Local Folders / Inbox'
using thunderbird email client, what shows up is either new emails
needing filter setup or is junk and after a using  on them,
thunderbird's junk filtering takes care of them.

i started filtering procedure during early inet days with netscape
when spam/junk was not a problem. with a few changes for spam/junk,
i adopted it into thunderbird.

even still, using an auto-delete name is best.

> But you have to put a notice that makes you look like a douche in all
> your outgoing mail.
>
===>
not true. to my belief, Tim's using name;

  Tim 

is best way to avoid messing with spam/junk.

once i start a new account with another isp and get all my desired
email senders, personal and public, notified of new addresses, i will
drop bellsouth, aka, att/yuckahoo like a hot brick and enjoy a totally
spam/junk free email life.

bellsouth/att will also lose me as a pots customer. B-)


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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Timothy Murphy]

Kevin Wilson wrote:

> Once I put the live on part 1, as suggested, it will be written as
> read only. And the grub.conf
> is there, so it seems that again I will not be able to write to it as
> part 1 is read only.

Slightly OT, and no help to the OP, but it seems extraordinary to me
that there is no official way of installing Fedora from the hard disk.


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Re: gmail thought it was spam

[Greg Woods]

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 10:56 PM, Tim  wrote:

> Chris Murphy :
> > FYI, gmail puts your emails in spam for the following reason:
> > Why is this message in Spam? It has a from address in yahoo.com.au but
> > has failed yahoo.com.au's required tests for authentication.
>

This is, unfortunately, a well-known issue between Google and Yahoo. We're
on Google at work so I get to deal with this on a semi-regular basis.

There is something called DMARC (you can Google for that term, the first
few hits are directly relevant). Without going into all the details,
suffice it to say that Google believes Yahoo has DMARC in place, but
they're doing it wrong. This results in mail from Yahoo coming from servers
that Google thinks it shouldn't be coming from, so it gets rejected,
flagged as spam, etc.

I haven't researched it thoroughly enough to figure out who's right and
who's wrong here, but the bottom line is that it is hard to receive mail
from Yahoo users on Gmail.

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Re: gmail thought it was spam

[Tim]

Tim:
>> The chief step being to post to this list using an address that's inbox
>> auto-deletes everything without a special password, and to receive
>> messages using a second address that isn't publicly exposed on this
>> list.  Long, long, ago, I found that posting to mailing lists was the
>> main way to get spam, addresses are harvested from them en-masse.  Stop
>> exposing your address, and don't use ones that get easily spammed by
>> random dictionary attacks, and your spam dwindles significantly.

Misha S.:
> But you have to put a notice that makes you look like a douche in all
> your outgoing mail.

And up yours, too...  If you go around throwing insults, expect to get
slapped in the face for it.


There is no reason for anybody on here to *need* to contact me
privately, this isn't a private messaging list.  Just because someone
might want to, doesn't mean that I have to receive it, at least they
know about it in advance.  And unlike those various business messages
that say "do not reply to this post, it is an unmonitored account," you
*can* communicate with me (back through the list, in the same place that
I sent the message).

I'm using the list rather more like usenet worked.  Which, to be honest,
is a better system for this kind of forum (doesn't have to expose your
email address, you don't have to download entire messages to skim
through the list, you don't have to manage local storage, etc.).

Or think of it like being at work.  At work you discuss things with
other people at work, appropriate to the workplace.  You only give your
home contact details to those that you feel need it, and won't abuse it.
People forget that the internet is not your friend, or peers, it's full
of strangers and damn weird people.  You should be more guarded with
your privacy and safety.

Over the years, email has become more and more un-viable for a lot of
people.  So much so that other protocols have taken over for lots of
types of messaging (IM, SMS, [anti]social networking), and still more
companies keep trying to come up with email alternatives.  Though,
nearly all of them are *exclusive* systems which, unlike email, cannot
communicate with each other.  Email is the lowest common denominator,
and like a lot of the old school protocols, goes on trust, where the
reality is that secure and safe protocols need to work on mistrust.
Encryption should be the norm for private person-to-person messages, all
senders should have to authenticate with their SMTP server, all SMTP
servers should take action against abusive customers, external services
should blackball SMTP servers that don't reign in their abusive clients,
so the spam gateways get pinched off and go out of business.

And yes I do recognise some need for anonymous messaging, so that
whistleblowers can survive exposing criminal behaviour.  But *that*
doesn't necessarily have to be through email.  In fact, if you read the
articles from some journalists who deal with whistleblowers, they'll
specifically list email as one of the ways not to communicate.

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Re: gmail thought it was spam

[Misha S.]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Tim  wrote:
> The chief step being to post to this list using an address that's inbox
> auto-deletes everything without a special password, and to receive
> messages using a second address that isn't publicly exposed on this
> list.  Long, long, ago, I found that posting to mailing lists was the
> main way to get spam, addresses are harvested from them en-masse.  Stop
> exposing your address, and don't use ones that get easily spammed by
> random dictionary attacks, and your spam dwindles significantly.

But you have to put a notice that makes you look like a douche in all
your outgoing mail.

Misha
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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[g]

On 04/16/16 07:40, Kevin Wilson wrote:
> Hi,
> Thanks, but this does not seem to solve the problem.
> Once I put the live on part 1, as suggested, it will be written as
> read only. And the grub.conf
> is there, so it seems that again I will not be able to write to it as
> part 1 is read only.
> Or am I wrong ?
>
===>
ok, i read you intent, but brain followed a diff path. 8=(

'loop' mount iso, change grub.config, save as new iso, install to usb.

has been a will, do not recall if has to be done as 'root' user or 'sudo',
so, from bookmarks, see;

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/mounting-an-iso-image-and-editing-it-463906/


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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Kevin Wilson]

Hi,
Thanks, but this does not seem to solve the problem.
Once I put the live on part 1, as suggested, it will be written as
read only. And the grub.conf
is there, so it seems that again I will not be able to write to it as
part 1 is read only.
Or am I wrong ?

Regards,
Kevin

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:24 PM, g  wrote:
>
>
> On 04/16/16 05:27, Kevin Wilson wrote:
>> Hello,
>> After copying an ISO of fedora 23 x86_64 into a USB key with the dd
>> command, everything is fine - I can boot with that USB
>> key.
>> However, there is one machine where I have to use nosmp so that it
>> will boot. There is some hw problem with this issue but
>> this machine is only for simple tests so I don't mind that it will
>> work as a non SMP machine,
>> So I want to change the grub of the USB disk on key (add "nosmp" to
>> the kernel command line)
>>
>> When I boot into fedora from hard disk and try to mount it, it is
>> mounted as read-only. Also specifying "rw" and a boot options does not
>> change
>> it - it refuses to do so:
>> mount /dev/sdc1 -o rw /mnt/sdc1
>>
>> Failed to execute operation: Access denied.
>>
>> Any ideas if there is anything I can do make this USB read-write ? or
>> is there a way to perapare Live Fedora USB  key so that it could be
>> mounted from the Hard Disk as read-write ?
>>
> ===>
> consider partitioning usb. live on part 1, format part 2, mount part 2
> after part 1 is up.
>
>
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>  ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it!
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>
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>
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Re: Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[g]

On 04/16/16 05:27, Kevin Wilson wrote:
> Hello,
> After copying an ISO of fedora 23 x86_64 into a USB key with the dd
> command, everything is fine - I can boot with that USB
> key.
> However, there is one machine where I have to use nosmp so that it
> will boot. There is some hw problem with this issue but
> this machine is only for simple tests so I don't mind that it will
> work as a non SMP machine,
> So I want to change the grub of the USB disk on key (add "nosmp" to
> the kernel command line)
>
> When I boot into fedora from hard disk and try to mount it, it is
> mounted as read-only. Also specifying "rw" and a boot options does not
> change
> it - it refuses to do so:
> mount /dev/sdc1 -o rw /mnt/sdc1
>
> Failed to execute operation: Access denied.
>
> Any ideas if there is anything I can do make this USB read-write ? or
> is there a way to perapare Live Fedora USB  key so that it could be
> mounted from the Hard Disk as read-write ?
>
===>
consider partitioning usb. live on part 1, format part 2, mount part 2
after part 1 is up.


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Mounting (or preparing) LiveCD as a read-write

[Kevin Wilson]

Hello,
After copying an ISO of fedora 23 x86_64 into a USB key with the dd
command, everything is fine - I can boot with that USB
key.
However, there is one machine where I have to use nosmp so that it
will boot. There is some hw problem with this issue but
this machine is only for simple tests so I don't mind that it will
work as a non SMP machine,
So I want to change the grub of the USB disk on key (add "nosmp" to
the kernel command line)

When I boot into fedora from hard disk and try to mount it, it is
mounted as read-only. Also specifying "rw" and a boot options does not
change
it - it refuses to do so:
mount /dev/sdc1 -o rw /mnt/sdc1

Failed to execute operation: Access denied.

Any ideas if there is anything I can do make this USB read-write ? or
is there a way to perapare Live Fedora USB  key so that it could be
mounted from the Hard Disk as read-write ?

Regards,
Kevin
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dnf distro-sync - an elementary question

[Timothy Murphy]

Is it always safe to run this?
I see that on my Fedora-23 system it would remove 79 packages
and downgrade 7.

What kind of packages are removed?
I upgraded Fedora-23 from Fedora-22, which was installed directly,
and I haven't installed any "unofficial" packages as far as I recall.
So where do these 79 packages come from?
And why does it want to downgrade 7 packages?
(I haven't heard of most of the packages that would be removed,
but nearly all are fc23, with a few fc22.)

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School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin

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